WEBVTT - Fire Drill 094: Songs and Stories From Around The Fire Pit 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.880 I didn't like calling it a craft or work or anything, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.640 because I just wanted it to be more magical and 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.479 mysterious than that, because all the great songs that I've 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.280 ever loved just feel like they've you know, either existed forever, 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.840 but they just come from this place that's so otherworldly, 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.360 you know, like how can this exist? How did somebody 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.840 create this? You know? And it's good when they can 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:26.520 feel like that. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.000 I got thoughts in my head, can't get them out, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.080 try and not the thing what I'm thinking about, not 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.600 count of thoughts in my head, can't get them out, 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.440 trying not to thing what I'm thinking about. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.080 Hello, this is Alan Ship Knock Back for another Fire 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.480 Drill podcast. That evocative intro music you've gotten used to 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.880 listening to. It's by Griffin Howes, very talented singer songwriter. 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.639 After all these fire drills with that beautiful song, we figured, 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.760 you know, let's bring the man himself on to talk 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.320 about the connection of golf and music and a little 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:11.080 bit about his life. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:11.720 And he's got a new. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.560 Album, and we figured the best place to convene this 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.399 roundtable is here at sam Valley. We are here for 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:23.200 the Uncle Tony Invitational brainchild of Matt Janella. He's podcasted 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:27.240 about it. I've written about his long standing Ultimate Buddies trip. 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:32.040 Matt's here. We're joined by Jakira King Grammy Winning, a 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.400 producer who collaborated with Griffin on his most recent album, 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.640 The Patriarch of This Whole Deal, John Ashworth. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:40.639 Uh, and we're. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:41.880 All wearing linksoul clothes. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:44.000 You know, we love Ashley. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.160 He's sort of the spiritual godfather of this gathering. And 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.320 of course Griffin hollis who' stromling a guitar. So Griffin 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.280 and John ed Schkeer and Matt, thanks for doing this. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.320 Let's start with you, Griffin, like, this is your first UTI, 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.760 as we like to call it. Uh, what do you 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:00.880 think this little gathering? 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:08.240 It's a pretty special event here. It's so much golf, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.200 and it's so overwhelming to be out here playing in 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.120 these places. I feel like I'm on a different planet 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.560 out here, you know. But I'm always trying to escape 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.320 and clear my head and play golf as much as 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.320 I can when I'm not playing music. So definitely getting 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.200 my fill out here. It's been wonderful. It's so fun 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:26.560 for the listeners. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.800 You should know that Griffin is a very strong stick 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:34.000 playing off too. After watching him hit an eight iron 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.720 about one hundred and eighty yards, I said, what is 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.920 your your clubhead speed with a driver and he said 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.960 two three. I mean that's upper echelon of the PGA 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.520 to or the guy can move it. So you have 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.239 a background in competitive golf, Like, let's hear a little 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.200 bit about your your journey through golf, because it's been 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.120 a little circuit. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:53.760 It's Oh. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.520 Yes, I started playing when I was a little kid, 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.000 probably eight or nine. My dad was a great golf 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.600 for He quit about I don't know, ten fifteen years ago. 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.400 He had kind of a bad back, but he was 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:10.320 he was like a plus two plus three great ball striker. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.280 Taught me how to play, and it was a pro 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.560 in Springfield named Pat Delaney that taught me a lot. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.760 I always go back to that. But I played in 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.320 tons of junior tournaments and stuff when I was a kid, 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.480 and you know, traveled around and played and played a 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:30.000 lot in Ohio and kept playing through high school and 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.160 had an offer to play at Ohio University. But I 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.760 was just super burned out to go off at that 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.440 point and a little discouraged, to say the least, and 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.520 I just kind of decided to go off to school, 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.160 and when I got there, I was like, man, that 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:45.840 can be whoever I want to be here, Like, no 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.360 one knows who I am, no one knows this former 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.040 identity that I've had. So I had a guitar and 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.240 I taught myself to play with these guys that lived 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:55.600 in my dorm. They were a bunch of them, are 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.360 music majors that lived in an arts dorm. So I 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.920 learned a bunch of stuff from them, and one thing 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.160 led to another. I started singing in a band and 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.360 started getting a little bit better at guitar, and I 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.160 was an English major. I couldn't do much with the 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:12.760 English major degree. So I was in a poetry class 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.040 at the end of the term and I played a 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.000 song and read the poem in class, and my poetry 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.880 professor said, yeah, I would do that instead of becoming 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.760 a poetry professor. So he gave me the green light 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.600 to go try it out. You know, I said, had 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.320 nothing to lose, So I just kind of went and 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.280 I had some beginner's luck and just kept going and 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.600 kind of snowballed into being what I've done for the 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:39.400 last twenty years. Do you remember that teacher's name, doctor 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.120 David Schloss. Yes, he was from Manhattan. He was a 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.679 really funny guy. He used to read the Onion before 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.520 class every day. It was a pretty laid back environment, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.200 but took the poetry serious. But we had a lot 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:50.880 of fun with it. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:56.960 I feel like everybody in life has. Everybody has a 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.240 moment in which someone sort of them into like what 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.839 actually they really want to do? We hope, hope, hopefully 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.120 everybody gets that opportunity. So here you are then sort 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:12.040 of charting this path to music, and you're incorporating obviously Englishman, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.920 you're writing, and you're recording. How has the path been 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.240 to sort of being a musician. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.880 Well, when I moved to Nashville, it was a very 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.279 different town. It was much smaller, and there was not 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.640 a lot of people doing like an alternative type of 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.919 singer song writing stuff. There was a big Christian music 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.159 industry and obviously a big country music industry, and so 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.200 it felt a lot easier to get noticed. I don't 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.440 know if it was just like right place, right time, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.880 but I moved down there without really having the idea 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.400 what I was doing, and I kind of went full 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.239 speed and within I was working downtown on Broadway selling 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.120 trinkets at midnight to make six fifty an hour, and 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.119 one day I got a call from a major record 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.680 label in New York City, and all of a sudden, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.919 I'm like, whoa, I got it. I got the call, 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.400 you know, I got the call. That was the big break, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.279 and I made a record. It came out in the 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.080 US and Europe and Canada, and it was just like 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.320 kind of beginner's luck type stuff. But all this crazy 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.480 stuff kept happening right out of the gate, like I 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.400 was opening up for John mellencamp Er. Then I was 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.960 like the next night, I was meeting Willie Nelson and 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.520 like Bruce Springsteen, and I was like, man, this this 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:23.159 is crazy. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:23.320 You know. 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.520 It was just like you have this wild dream in 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.120 your head that you dream up as a kid, and 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.560 then all all of a sudden it starts coming true 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.480 and you're like, well, I guess I was right, and 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.520 this music business thing doesn't seem so hard when all 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.599 that stuff's happened so fast. And then after that, you know, 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:39.720 I put a record out and I realized like how 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.400 hard it was. After that, it was like, definitely it 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.279 turned into much more of a wow this is going 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.159 to be like, hopefully if I'm lucky, like a twenty 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.960 or thirty year slow work really hard career and try 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.560 to climb one step at a time. And you know, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.359 and I've lived through the music business changing from like 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.080 when record stores were open and people were buying physical 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.880 CDs to going you know, from Napster to Apple downloads 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.480 and then streaming, and just I've seen the whole music 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.600 business change from like the time I started until now, 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:18.680 and I think I've just been lucky enough to early 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.680 on I kind of built a live following and that's 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.000 kind of how I've maintained being a musician over the years, 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.520 is just being willing to tour a lot and even 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.840 get out there by myself, you know, driving myself to 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.520 the shows, carrying my own gear, selling my own merch 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.280 just kind of doing all that stuff. And I've played 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.440 on the band on the road with a band for years. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.960 But now that I've been married fourteen years and you know, 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.520 just just touring around by myself and playing a handful 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.080 of shows and coming home so I can be with 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:49.920 the family is like how I make it work. So 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.640 I've just kind of found my own way, you know, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.680 just by trial and error and trying to figure out 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.840 how to keep making music and keep playing for people. 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.480 But I still love it so much. Feel was so 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:01.600 lucky to be able to do it. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.960 Griff, you told a great story about how you kind 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.840 of linked up with John Ashworth. It just you were 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.200 at Approach Off you saw a cool shirt, you went 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.680 to the website, You're like, wow, this kind of looks 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:14.120 like the kind of stuff I would want to wear. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.640 And yeah, and then and then your manager you reached 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.280 out to the company and John tell us from your perspective, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.880 like how how this guy entered your life and your 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.680 world and what it's meant to you. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.800 Yeah, No, it was great. It was he reached he 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.520 saw it, researched it, and then sent an email I think. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.600 And then anyways, Patrick Keegan, who was We were like, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.680 who's this Griffin House guy? He seems to really like 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.080 link So I didn't really know who he was, and 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.520 I don't think Jeff did either, and Patrick was like, oh, yeah, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.080 this guy's awesome, Like you got to see this guy. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.960 So that's kind of how we get started, right. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.319 Yeah. Then we went down to you guys without meeting me, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.760 invited me down to Mexico Town to Mexico. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.440 The magazine puta Mia Yeah it was great, had a 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.360 blast and and then of course, you know, I listened, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.679 I heard his music and absolutely loved it. And then 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.199 we went and teed it down there, and all of 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.199 a sudden, I feel like I'm playing with Ben Hogan, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:20.199 you know what I mean. Like his swing is like beautiful, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.840 it's flawless. So he's got it all going on man, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:29.439 music and golf. I'd like to do a little yeah totally. 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.520 So you have this new record coming out, and sit 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.800 next to you at your right elbow is Jakir King, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.480 who helped bring it to life, like Jaquir tell us 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.960 in your words, like what this this this album's about 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.600 and why it's You've worked with a lot of big 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.520 time musicians and you've you've been in the room where 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.560 it happened for a lot of great music. But what 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.679 is it about about Griffin that's kind of special? 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:59.080 Well, Griffin lived in Nashville for how long twenty almost 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.760 twenty years, and so I've been there for almost twenty 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.280 three now, So we were around a lot, We shared 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.240 a lot of common friends, and I was an admirer 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.800 of his from a distance, and you know, we had 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:19.840 the opportunity. Matt brought Griffin to an event last year. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.079 Three of us were at and we started a kind 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.559 of a you know, it was really wonderful to meet 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.440 Griffin and I would kind of talk to each other about, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:34.080 you know, our awareness of one another, and and Matt 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.600 you know, suggested, you know that I could be really 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.640 cool if we recorded some music together, and you know, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.400 we started talking about it, and we just kind of 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.800 took the bull by the horns and in the spring, 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.120 you know, because Griffin also shared with me at that 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.880 time that he was he'd been inspired to get into 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.720 writing some more kind of comes in seasons. You know, 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.400 he was feeling inspired, and I was like, well, you know, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.480 let's just talk about let's talk about making some music together, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.480 because it's I've been an admirer of yours. 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.840 And so he sent me some songs and you know, 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:10.000 some beautiful songs. Griffins is a very talented songwriter, and yeah, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.040 we just we kind of made some plans from there 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.520 and partnered and made a very beautiful EP. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:21.319 It's called The Tides five five songs. Yeah, I think 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.319 I'd like gripping, I'd like you just kind of tell 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.280 tell us a little bit about, you know what, where 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:28.600 some of the inspiration comes from. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.320 For lack of a better I mean, I call him like, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.880 I don't know if they're like synchronicity or you just 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.400 like follow your gut or like my wife would call 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.319 him God moments or something. But I think when when 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.959 we all met, and you know, Matt and John came 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.520 to my show in San Diego and you liked the 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.440 song try not to think that you that you put 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.040 on the podcast, and there was just like a there 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:54.120 was a vibe and energy happening, and we got just 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.400 talking about making making some music and working together in 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.560 some capacity. And it's kind of weird how like golf 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:05.000 in some weird way brought us together to create this, uh, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.480 this creative moment. And as we kept talking, I just 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.960 got inspired to like, wow, we're gonna do something. I 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.120 better start writing some songs. And so I had the 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.920 inspiration to just sit down. And you know, I'm not 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.400 always doing that because I'm like busy with life and 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.600 family and everything else. So sometimes it takes a little 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.160 kick in the pants to get going a little bit. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.320 But uh, yeah, the the muse came in the room 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.680 and started talking to me, and I just said, okay, 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.200 I better listen, and I just tried to start writing 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.360 some stuff. And before I knew it, I had, you know, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.840 a handful of songs and felt felt lucky. I didn't 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.880 know if they were any good, but I sent them 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.640 for you, and I was like, well, let's if you 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.040 like these, let's let's record some stuff. And so yeah, 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.200 it's just cool. How meeting, uh, meeting new people that 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.360 are on on like paths and or whose pass are 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.040 crossing for whatever mysterious reason, we don't know, but it 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.960 felt felt right in my gut and it all happened 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.319 really naturally, and that's kind how I don't know. That's 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.360 how I entered through the world and through the through 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.560 the music business and life in general, just kind of 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.720 following my got and doing what feels right and just 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:09.280 felt right. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.000 So it's it's been an amazing journey. You were doing 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.080 some meandering out there and the lido today. I was 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.480 watching your step it out out there. Man. You you 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.240 you're your your chat, your chart and your ball you. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.760 Step over the ball boom. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:23.880 You were hitting some shots. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.160 No, dude, I played with them. I played with them. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:27.560 I saw all day it. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.840 Was I'm just going to look towards the pin and yeah, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:38.960 every time the ball was nuts, really fun fun before 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.040 before I mean, it's it's this whole thing, you know, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:48.920 in terms of called link so your care maybe Griffin golf. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:50.679 Here we are Uncle Tony, you know. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:51.480 Linking souls. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.920 We're around golf in Sand. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:14:00.760 Valley and playing music. But so all of that is amazing, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:01.680 and that is golf. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.080 That is what this is. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.600 This is the and Uncle Tony, by the way, who 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.040 was the ultimate link soldier, Like Uncle Tony was the 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.079 real He was the one who basically taught me in life, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.240 it's about relationships. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.680 It's about the people. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.120 You know who or who you hang around with, and 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.760 getting good people together at a place like this to 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:25.160 have a sort of camaraderie building is what it's all about. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.680 In terms of your album and a song, like, would 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.720 you want to talk us through sort of the writing 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.680 of a song and play a song for us, give 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:34.960 us a little background. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.360 I had no agenda with what I wanted to write about. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.200 I was just like, can give me some songs here? 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:43.200 And need some songs? 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.840 So is it a word like when you say that 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.960 that I mean I can kind of you know, I 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.360 get what you're saying, But is it Is it a word? 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.720 Is it a moment? Is it a is it a movie? 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.000 Is it something you see? Is it like where? What 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:57.320 does fall out of the sky. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.520 I was in Seattle one day and I was walking 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.800 down on the streets of this neighborhood that I really love. 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.520 It's the Scandinavian fishing village just north of Seattle called 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.480 Ballard and I like to stay there and I play 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.400 across the street at this place called the Tractor Tavern, 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.040 and I just stay in town. I kind of like 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.160 lived there for a few days and just soak up 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.880 the energy. But there was all these locks and waterways 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:24.000 and boats, and it just feels really this little mystical place. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:28.720 It's enchanting. And they had like a farmer's market going 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.800 on or something, and I was like walking around town, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.200 just people watching, and all of a sudden, I just 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.840 started like this old familiar sea shanty melody that been 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.320 recycled a few times and it's definitely out there, but 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.440 it was going through my mind. I just started going like, 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.720 Ballard Town, Oh, Ballard Town. There's no place like it 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.800 anywhere I found. And I just kept doing that and 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.800 I had that in my back pocket and I went 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.480 home and then I just wrote this huge verse for 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.960 that and that was kind of the beginning of a song. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.880 And then then I just couldn't put down my guitar 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.120 for like a month. I just kept trying to see 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.280 what was going to happen next, and I wrote. I 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.320 wrote four or five or six songs, maybe more than that, 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.040 but we we picked like the five strongest ones and 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.680 went after those and the song we kind of picked 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.840 for the for the song to focus on, and the 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.320 single of the album is a song called Lifeline. It's 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.240 just sort of about finding a finding a friend and 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.080 and some support and kind of a hard you know, 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.880 hard time and help kind of people can pull you 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:33.040 through hard spots. So we picked that song too to 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.560 be the single. So yeah, I could play that one, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.560 I know, play it here on gitalp. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:42.360 Yes please. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.720 I was dying like the autumn leaves. I was burning out, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.480 I was on my knees, I'd given. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.760 Up, I was almost done. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.960 I was fitting fast as the setting sun. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:17.960 And then you. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:30.200 Came out of no where, and I'm. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.880 Safe whenever you are there. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.840 I used to get so dark, and now I feel 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:43.520 so light. Suddenly the whole world looks bright. I used 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:50.800 to really wanna leave this place, but I haven't been 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:58.400 the same since I found your face. You're my life flying, 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.400 You're my life line. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.159 You're my life line. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.400 You're my life line. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.040 I used to worry all the time. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:16.960 Now I don't. 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:21.120 Care a dream sweet dreams, because I know you're here. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.320 I used to get so mad, I used to get 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:28.280 so blue. I used to not know how. 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:29.359 To make it through. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.040 And then you. 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:42.600 Came out of know where, and I'm. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.320 Safe whenever you are there. 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:54.639 You're my life flying. You're my life Lie. You're my 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:59.880 life line. You're my life Lie. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.439 I was sick of being tired. I was tired of 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:22.119 being sick. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.320 I had a wall around me ten feet thick. 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:31.000 Nothing was working, nothing ever helped, And then. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.920 You saw me in a way I couldn't see myself. Fam. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:43.720 It feels good to be happy again. It feels good 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:52.920 to finally find a friend. You're my life Li. You're 0:19:53.000 --> 0:20:05.080 my life Lie. You're my life Li, you, my lifely you, 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:06.959 my lifely. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.080 You, my lifely. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:18.880 You, my life fly, you, my life fly. 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.919 That's amazing, I mean, and again the writing is the 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.280 to me like you, like you know the idea when 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.159 you described as it falls out of the sky, and 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.920 then you must flush all that out and create that narrative. 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.520 It is just it is just amazing. 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.159 Yeah, it goes through like many iterations. I mean, I 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:45.880 must have written seven or eight or ten different versions 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.520 of that song with all different lyrics. And then I 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.960 remember one night I was in a hotel room. I 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.200 normally stayed with my friend in Austin, but he had 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.960 moved into another house and he didn't have room for me. 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:57.840 He was like in a condo this time or something. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.320 He sold his big, nice house down in Congress, and 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:02.919 so I wasn't able to stay with him, and I 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.000 ended up in this hotel room for the first time. 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:06.679 And it was right around when I couldn't put my 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.600 guitar down. And then that night, like all those words 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.919 just came to me, and I stayed up several hours 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:13.480 and wrote them all down. And then all of a sudden, 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.960 I had this song called Lifeline, and I'd been strumming 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.399 on those chords for weeks, you know, and then all 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.520 of a sudden it just appeared. 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.520 The music fit right into the chords kind of yeah, yeah, 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:25.639 that's beautiful. 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.080 I mean, you're not give yourself enough credit, Griff, Like, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.560 I know how much craft goes into into writing, like 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.680 the inspiration comes to unexpected times, but clearly there's there's 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:37.439 a lot of labor. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.359 There's a lot of toil to bring that song to life. 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:42.800 I mean, what's the longs you've ever worked on a 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.440 song and had it it like haunt you almost until 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:46.000 you got it right. 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.800 I don't know how long I've like worked on a 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.359 specific thing, but I know that sometimes you'll have like 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:57.439 a little you know, like the little guitar part for 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.000 the guy that says goodbye to you is out of 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.840 his mind was something that I remember playing in college 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:05.160 at some point, and then the words didn't come till 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.439 like five years later. So I knew I had this 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.040 part that was kind of cool, but I had never 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.159 put anything to it. And then one afternoon, just like 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.480 the whole kind of poem came to me. And I 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:18.840 don't know how that happens, but whether it's like here 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.960 and something else that inspires you, or you just get 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.000 a little click in your mind that tells you what 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.000 you want to write about, or you're just ready. But 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.800 I think all the practice that you do of like 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:32.040 doing it wrong a million times is like prepares you 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.480 for the moment when like it walks in the room 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.080 and you just have to catch it. You know. It's 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.440 like it's just sort of a moment, where like Charles 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.480 Bukowski said that all writing is basically just like waiting. 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:43.840 You wait and wait and wait until the like fly 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:45.880 lands on the wall, and then you smack the shit 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:48.359 out of the fly. And that's basically like how he 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.040 described poetry. And I kind of find that too. It 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.399 just and I didn't like calling it a craft or 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.560 work or anything, because I just wanted it to be 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:00.480 more magical and mysterious than that, because all the great 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.359 songs that I've ever loved just feel like they've you know, 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.200 either existed forever, but they just come from this place 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.879 that's so otherworldly, you know, like how can this exist? 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.760 How did somebody create this? You know? And it's good 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.280 when they can feel like that. 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:16.920 That's cool. 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.720 One of the things that's I love about this tournament. 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.080 When I'm at home, the guys I played with don't 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.480 really listen to music on the golf course, and so yeah, 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.679 but then you come here and we have different pairings 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:30.399 every day and every single group. There's always music playing 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:32.840 on the speakers, and depending who you're paired with, it 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.480 might be hip hop, it might be seventies rock, it 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.360 might be more modern stuff. I'm just wondering for all 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.920 you guys like that connection between golf and music. It's 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:45.199 pretty profound for a lot of folks. How like for 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:46.560 you actually, how. 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.560 Today we didn't have music, did we? 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:50.240 We didn't have music. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:51.160 We did have music, we. 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:51.760 Didn't have music. 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:53.920 We're full nature trotting. 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:54.880 Yeah it was good. 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:56.280 Yeah, no, it was fine. 0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:01.280 I love it both, you know, either way music or none. Yeah, 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:05.520 nobody was carrying today, so it was great though it 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.120 was it was a little bit of a zend out 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.199 course anyway, you know. I mean it's full that thing. 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:16.960 Lito was just a piece of artwork, right Yeah, I 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:20.440 mean that's an amazing spot to be able to. Tom 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.240 doak Man should take a bow on that one. Don't 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:24.480 you think it's pretty? 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.680 It's otherworldly? It's just it doesn't I. 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.480 Just I just feel like if you could how you 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.560 could do that to bring a course that was set 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.480 famous back in another spot and get it, you know, 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.360 within the inch, it's just crazy. 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.040 Yeah, I mean, Griff, a lot of musicians love golf. 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:44.640 What is that connection that you guys have? 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.040 And it used to be so uncool to admit, Like 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.560 if I if you knew of a musician that played golf, 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:51.480 he didn't want anybody to know about it, you know. 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:55.280 And I've played a couple of rounds with Todd Snyder 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.600 and Easter Nashville, and he, like I swear, he told 0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.920 me not to tell anybody he was playing. I thought 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.199 it's going to ruin his street cred or something. But 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.160 now it's just become you know, I think it's as 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:08.480 golf's gotten more popular and there's it's changed over the years, 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:11.360 and it's been seen in a lot different different through 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:15.600 different lens. You know. Even for myself, it was like 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.919 I wanted to put that old person behind me and 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.480 like become something completely different. You know. I was almost 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.040 like I don't want anything to do with that world anymore. 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:29.720 And now it's really interesting how for myself personally it's 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.639 become really integrated, and I think it's been you know, 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.520 for the world in general too, it's been really integrated. 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:39.560 I think in this weekend feels like that where there's 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:43.560 a lot of it's like a different style of golf, 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.719 and you know, like guys are walking around with basketball 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.920 socks on and like super cool outfits. There's music playing 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:52.800 on the course, and it's really different. But yeah, it's 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.760 nice to see some of the like some of the 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:59.240 cliches about golf go away and have it become, you know, 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.560 kind of a deeper, moral, inclusive sport. 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.040 What were your thoughts on the lead. 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:09.160 Though, I thought it was really hard. I could tell 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:14.000 from the first hole. I mean, I knew that those 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.639 greens weren't gonna hold, and I was like, how but 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.560 how much aren't they gonna hold? Like if I you know, 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.520 if I don't but I don't play a little bit 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.560 close to the hole, I'm gonna have a fifty foot putt. 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.119 And then sure enough, on the first hole, I had 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.879 a fifty foot putt and I'm just like, oh man, 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:28.480 if I'm gonna have to get these down in two 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:30.320 all day, it's gonna be a long day, you know. 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:33.080 But it was kind of like that, and every time, 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.040 like I hit one on the second hole and it 0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.439 was a pretty good shot and I'm like growning when 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:38.960 it's in the air because I know it's gonna be 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:40.960 a thirty foot putt. And John's like, what's wrong with 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.480 that one? It's like, I don't want to put. 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:43.160 The thirty foot putt. 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.240 I want like a fifteen foot butt, you know, because 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.280 I just I hate three puttons so and then when 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.560 they're on greens that hard. It's just like trying to 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.880 get a feel for the course. But it was certainly 0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.360 unusual in the in the sense that like no trees, 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.119 hard to know where to aim, probably a good thing. 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.520 We had a couple of caddies out there. But it 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:06.879 was really spectacular. 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:12.960 It is really a stroll through a museum. It's it's 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:17.880 very much a it's very much a feels like there's 0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:21.080 something much different going on than anything or anywhere else 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.400 you see. I think National Golf Links is the closest 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.359 thing that I can compare to. But it just is 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:38.720 so much more pronounced, you know, you know, yeah, the walls, 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:42.280 urn of walls and bunkers. I said earlier in our 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.120 person thing, it's no wonder why golf took so long 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:48.160 to catch on because if they were playing that that 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.200 golf course back in the day. 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.840 But what was the original When was I should know this? 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.720 When was the original one designed and built and everything? 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.960 When did they think it was in the teens. 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:06.280 Yeah, nineteen yeah, yeah, yeah, no, So I mean, yeah, 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.080 how did people hear keep playing? They published played it once. 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:13.040 And said what the Yeah, it's like Rob Williams retis 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:14.359 designed to torture people. 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.919 Oh my god, that was a torture chamber. 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:23.280 You have to be so precise tea, and then from 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.400 the Fairway and around the greens. 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.360 And you don't know and you don't know what's lurking 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.240 out there, you have no idea. It is a beast. 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:31.840 Yeah. 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:36.040 The greens were just insane too, right, I mean there 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.520 was I went, I walked up on severals, going I 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:45.360 could fit nine of Goat Hill parks on his green, easy, easy, 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.320 nine on one green. 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:49.200 Eighteen. 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:49.800 That's the one. 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.320 I was like, Oh, got approach out to eighteen. 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.680 I was like, what is happening to me right now? 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:59.840 I mean there were dance teeth yet the one I 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:04.080 mean I was curious about Chakire. First of all, what 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:05.800 do you think about the lido? And then I also 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.280 wanted to get your take on sort of Griffin and 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:13.320 his writing and how you know what listening to him 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:17.320 about that writing sort of ring you know, sparks to 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.440 you about in terms of all the artists you work with, 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:20.760 and they must all be different. 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:25.560 Yeah, I mean, well just at the lido. It's just 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.880 to get that out of the way. It's spectacular course, 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.000 very hard. I didn't have I didn't have a great 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:35.600 day out there, but it's uh, it was really special. 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.880 He did hit probably the best shot in the Part 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:39.240 three number whatever. 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:40.520 That was six together today. 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:44.520 Yeah, you know, he had a rough day, but he held 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.720 it together and he played great at the end, and 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.320 he he had an amazing shot on that Part three 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.760 that that kind of wraps down to the pen was 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.240 way in the back left. Yeah, sixteen he had till 0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:03.000 like twelve feet. Unbelievable, Yeah, unbelievable. So anyway, there was 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.240 one that was good. 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.000 You know, it's it's super cool. It's honestly, I was 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.120 a little disoriented out there, yeah, just because there's nothing, 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:17.320 you know, there's no trees on the course. But it's spectacular. 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.680 There's a lot of blind shots. It's it's it's really cool. 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:20.480 You have to be accurate. 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:21.840 It was. 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:22.520 It was fun. 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:23.760 Disoriented is a great. 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.160 Yeah, it was very disoriented totally. 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:28.720 That sums up my day. 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:31.880 Yeah, Vertigo, total vertigo. 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:33.400 You're looking around. 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:35.240 Yeah, where am I going? 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.200 Yeah, get dizzy. 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.760 I mean I haven't been overseas to play. But it 0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.400 was just like, okay, this is Lynx golf. Like you're 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.800 not flopping any shots out here, Like you've got to 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:48.120 be really creative with how you're chipping, even chipping into 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.080 the greens. And I was thinking about the kind of 0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:56.080 the lynxoul connection because my dad was had read this book, 0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.480 uh called Golf in the Kingdom that he was really into, 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:02.280 and he gave it to me to read, and I 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.440 must have been fourteen or fifteen, and you know, it's 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:11.360 just mystical, magical tale takes place in Scotland, and there's 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:17.000 a character in there that is like Peter Beams, like 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.760 shit as Irons. He's like this guy. It's just like 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.360 this artist, but this really spiritual being that's also some 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.240 tuned into golf in a really weird like fifth dimensional 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:31.880 way somehow. And and you know, I had found out 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.400 that John knew the book really well too, and that 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.160 the name had come from Link Soul had come from 0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.440 the book, and so we had that you know, that 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.840 link Soul connection through doing that reading. And then Alan 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.280 and I talked about that too. I guess you're friends 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.560 with Michael Murphy, right, And we talked about Esslyn and 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.120 Big Sir and all that stuff because love that area. 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.720 But I thought like we had to mention that because 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.080 that was definitely a cool connection that we discovered that 0:31:57.640 --> 0:31:59.840 felt like it came alive a little bit today out 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:00.920 there from me at least. 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.640 Know that the way all these things come. 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.840 Full circle is really unique. And that's what makes this 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.960 this game and this sport so great is just the 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.240 lifelong friendships and the connections. 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.280 And it's, uh, you know, I. 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:15.640 Play a lot of pick of basketball. I play a 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.240 lot of tennis, but you don't have the community like 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:17.720 you do here. 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.920 It's just no doubt golf and golf in the Kingdom. Honestly, 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.960 for those people that have never heard of it and 0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.960 haven't read it, you should go read it. 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:27.280 It is. 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.320 It's definitely a benchmark, and you know, sort of like 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.040 learning the esoteric side of the game, you know a 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:35.560 little bit. 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:38.760 It's probably the best podcast I've ever done at the 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.120 Five Pick Collectives. When we did need a fourth of 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:45.120 Michael Murphy and Bamberger and Jeff Ogilvie, like we went, 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:47.120 we went way down the rabbit hole on that. But 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.760 I feel like we should play another song here. It's 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.840 that time in this podcast you mentioned you mentioned Ballard Town. 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:56.520 Oh yeah, that one we'd like to. 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.440 I could play that one. I could play an upbeat one. 0:32:59.480 --> 0:32:59.960 I could play. 0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:02.840 Well, it's dealer's choice. Whatever you want to play. 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.240 We want to like that. 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:18.080 Well. I made my way to the great Northwest, to 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:25.280 the sleepy little town that I love the best. I 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:29.840 rode the ferry in the salty breeze as the fog came, 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:37.000 rolling through the dug fir trees, beheld the water on 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:38.560 the Puget Sound. 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.640 Once upon a time in Ballard. 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:48.880 Town, Ballard Town, Old Ballard Town. 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.280 There's no place like it anywhere. 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:53.080 I found. 0:33:56.040 --> 0:34:00.680 Six miles north of King Street Station, if you ride 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.920 those rails into Washington. 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:11.319 On the Salmon Bay in the misty rain, I took 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:19.040 a stroll down the old brick lane as the autumn leaves. 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:24.200 Gathered on the ground. Once upon a time in bathered Town. 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:32.840 Ball down, Old Bathered Town. There's no place like it 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:50.240 anywhere I found. She whispers to me as the full 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:55.520 moon glows in the early morning hours, when the foghorn blows. 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.240 She keeps a secret in the pink blue sky, where 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:10.200 the sidewalks glitter and the seahawks fly above the harbor 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:14.480 as the sun goes down. Once upon a time in 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:24.000 Ballard Town, Ballard Town, Old Ballard Town. There's no place 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:41.279 like it anywhere I found in the bars and the taverns, 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:45.280 in the old hotel on a warm October. 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.040 I remember well. 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:54.120 I passed the docks, past the fissure men, in the 0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.960 garden bytto locks where the ships. 0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:02.040 Come in, where I dream my dream man. 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:06.240 I drank my fill and I wrote my story while 0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:12.600 the time stood still, as the shadows fell and my 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:22.799 sorrows drown. Once upon a time in Ballard Town, Ballard Down, Oh, 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:24.200 Ballad Down. 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:26.520 There's no place like. 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:35.560 It anywhere I found. Balled Down, No Ballad Time. There's 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.800 no place like it anywhere I found. 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.520 Yeah, I just need to know the story behind the song. 0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.560 One thing we were talking about Griffin was the joys 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.520 of being a traveling musician is you get to play 0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.840 a lot of golf on the road, and so you 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.279 have probably to support the CP and probably just because 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.120 you do it all the time, you've got a lot 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:12.200 of shows coming up. Can you give the listeners an 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.279 idea of that the sweep of your travels here in. 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.839 The Oh, yeah, I'm coming. What am I doing next? 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.960 So right after this, I'm on my way to the 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.879 Sisters Folk Festival, which I've never done before. So I'm 0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:25.440 gonna teach some songwriting workshops with some other artists for 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.719 the first three days and then play three days during 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.480 the concert festival, and then where's that that is in Sisters, 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:36.719 Oregon outside of Bend. Cool, And then I'm going to 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.200 Seattle to play a show at the Triple Door. And 0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:42.319 then I'm coming back for a little while. I know. 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:47.440 I have some shows in Atlanta, Texas, Florida, and then 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:56.279 I do a little Midwest run Gosh, Lsu Illinois, Madison, Wisconsin, Evanston, Illinois, 0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.840 Saint Louis, Pittsburgh. I think I'm missing a bunch, but 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:02.759 I've got like twenty five shows left this year, so 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.759 I'm going to be really busy. And my daughter called 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.240 me today and she's like, Daddy, I miss you so much. 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.399 I'm like, I got another week and a half before 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:12.080 I'm home. He got used to me being home this summer, 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.960 you know, So talk to her today after the round 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:18.520 and yeah, it's hard, man, it's hard. Being away from them. 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:20.480 But when I'm home, I'm home. I get a lot 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:23.279 of quality time with them when i'm back. So I'm 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.000 only on the road like sixty seventy days a year, 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:27.719 probably maybe a few more. 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.400 But on the link to this podcast on the Firepit website, 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.319 we'll have a link to your your schedule too. 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:34.319 Oh it'd be great. 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:40.759 Yeah, what's your best tale from from your life is 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.320 on the road golf wise? 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.360 If you sneaked on any remberl. 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:45.839 Courses, or did you play with Willie Nelson in his 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:47.359 backyard orthing like that. 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.440 I played with Alice Cooper in Scottsdale, and he was 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.759 so nice. I had to tell everybody. I'm like, don't worry, 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:54.959 I won't tell everybody. 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:55.799 What a nice guy you are. 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:58.640 You ruin your reputation. I couldn't wait to say hit 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:00.319 the ball, Alice, which I think I had to at 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.080 least get that in there once. But he loves golf. 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:08.399 He's a good player, the nicest man, really really nice guy. 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.880 But trying to think I mean a couple of the 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.840 great you know. I always love being in San Diego 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:17.920 because I can stop by it and see these guys 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.160 in ocean side, so I love when that gets to happen. 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:23.920 But I've been out like fortunate enough to be in 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.520 the Carmel area a few times when I've already been 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.799 out there and I could justify the price stag on 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:34.440 Pebble Beach because I'm already there. And so I went there. 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:37.920 I remember for the first time, oh gosh, I don't know, 0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:42.680 seven eight years ago, and just had such a blast. 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.960 I mean, it's golf heaven. It was just so beautiful 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:50.400 driving up around there by Cyprus Point, the whole areas, like, 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.840 oh man, I never want to leave, so getting to 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:54.960 be out there. I opened for Jewel one time and 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.600 played again there at Pebble Beach. I was already out there, 0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.600 So yeah, those moments, but there's there's it's of great, 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.040 great moments on the road. I mean I played thousands 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.680 of shows, so it's hard to pick out it just 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:09.480 a couple, but certainly great when I can go take 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.279 my sticks with me too and do that during the 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:14.200 day and play a show after love. 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:15.839 Well, next time you come out to Pebble we're going 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:16.879 to work on your golf ight ten. 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:20.160 There you have a few more to check off the wish. Absolutely, 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.320 I'll be delighted to help be amazing. 0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:25.399 Just going back to Jakir just for a second and 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.840 going back on the writing it, back on the album 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.600 and sort of the role you played. I mean, I've 0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:33.680 only we peered in on sort of you working with 0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:36.399 Joe Horowitz on working on a song and making songs. 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.359 So when when Griffin comes to you and he has 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.960 these songs and he's done what he needed to do 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:46.799 to get you know, something prepared for presentation, So then 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.960 what what kicked in there? What what do you do 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.399 from that point to really sort of get it where 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:52.919 it is now? 0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.920 Sure? Well, because I didn't answer this, yeah question a 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.120 little bit earlier about his songwriting, I just would say 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:04.040 that ballad Town, it's like it's the tone and the 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:07.080 feel and the words it takes you somewhere. I mean, 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.000 I was like, I'm I'm into ballad Town. I've never 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.640 seen it, but I kind of feel like I know 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.560 what it's like to walk the streets. And Yeah, So 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.279 that just that the gift he has for painting that 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:25.480 picture is extraordinary. It really moves me. I feel something 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:31.640 from it, you know, the process, the processes. Yeah, well, 0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:33.799 you know, we talk, we get to know each other 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:37.440 a little bit more kind of find you know, I 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:39.879 want to know about the person a little bit and 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:41.680 I want to share who I am because it's like 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.160 a kind of a it's an intense thing to make 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.359 a record, you know, It's like, you know, it's it's 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.799 an ambitious effort. It's kind of like pulling something out 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.080 of the air. It's kind of like, you know, it's 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.359 like the second phase of discos, like discovering something and 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.360 having something kind of brought out of the air of 0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.919 the universe. It's so you know, you kind of want 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:04.160 to at least I like to spend some time getting 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:07.560 to know the person. And because it also sets up 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.480 the communication to talk about things that are hard to 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.120 talk about, you know, just in terms of like creative 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:18.120 creativity and interpreting and painting a sonic picture that supports 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.560 that story and that that feels that doesn't doesn't take 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:25.840 you off the narrative completely. It fills it out and 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:26.800 gives it some support. 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:30.920 And so that is the act of productive that's the 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:32.000 producing of it all. 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.560 Yeah, that's I mean, there's definitely that's a I mean, 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:36.520 there's a lot of ways to do it, but you know, 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:41.759 for me, that's it's important because you know, there's you know, 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:43.880 like a lot of times and even even if it 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:48.080 takes five years in the case of Lifeline, I mean, 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.160 it starts with the seed of an idea. You know, 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.279 there's a moment of inspiration if it's just you know, 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.800 playing some chords or walking in valid town and just 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.600 singing that that you know that phrase. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:00.680 Uh. 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.080 But so that's that's my goal is always to find 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:03.920 that truth, you know. 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.600 And we had a false start with the first song. 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.439 We were gonna do the easy one, which we thought 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.680 was Lifeline because it was the most together song, and 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.239 we started playing it and just wasn't working at all. 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:18.480 It wasn't vibing. And so like part of what Jakiir 0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.479 and I have to be able to do together, which 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:24.480 requires skill, is like, okay, how do we It's like 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.120 you're kind of we're heading down a bad road here, 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.120 like we need this is the first song and this 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.480 is not working, and you start thinking you're a tempted 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.839 to think like, oh ship, is the whole session gonna 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:36.520 go like this, Like is it gonna We're gonna turn 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:38.279 this around? And so we have you have to be 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:42.879 creative about I thought you could explain that you. 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:44.840 Have to you have to be got off to a 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.600 little bit of a rough Yeah. 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:47.960 That's uncommon. 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:49.080 I mean, that's not uncommon. 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.239 It's like first t jitters, like. 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:53.359 We doubled our first. 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:59.520 We were back the Yeah, but you have to be there, 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:01.360 you have to have a conversation. You have to be 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.279 honest and just kind of like you know, you have 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.040 to address it and kind of try to redirect it 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:12.320 and you know, just kind of just be honest. That's 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.600 the that's the thing that's the important part of building 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.879 relationship is because he hadn't need so much honesty and transparency, 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:19.319 you know, because not all I mean it's just like 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.920 these are Griffin's like his songs. You know, that's like 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.680 this is like this amazing thing that he pulls together. 0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:29.399 You know, so you have to yeah, communication and being 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:32.840 honest and finding the truth. Really we talked about you know, 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:36.440 Griffin started sending me songs and I would listen and 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.719 you know, I'd have some most of a lot of 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.400 it was just very encouraging because he's he's an excellent 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.400 song crafter, you know. And then in terms of like 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.719 the record making perspective, i'd you know, maybe say a 0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.360 few things about like the structure or I think we 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.600 might have dropped a verse from a song or something 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:54.040 like that. 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.480 Well you put it, You put a great band together, 0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.600 and then you you also spent so much time, you know, 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.600 trying different mics and taking so much care and getting 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:03.440 the right sounds. 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:07.160 You know, yeah, well yeah, I mean you know it's like, 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:09.840 you know, you pick the songs and it's like, okay, 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:14.400 what musicians are gonna what you know, what professional musicians 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:17.840 can I bring together that are going to come in 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:21.399 the room and immediately switch, you know, switch into being 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.880 a band member. Like they're going to show up and 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:24.840 they're going to be invested. 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.839 They're not just add value. 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:30.719 Because you know, it's just like they have to you know, 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.440 they have to be creative on the fly in a 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:37.040 way and and sort of respond and react to you know. 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:38.960 You know, it's like you said, we send them the 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.200 songs before, but then there's a difference being in the 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:44.000 room and playing with Griffin. You know, it's just like 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.960 so assembled we were, they were five in the studio, 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.520 you know, playing live together, and we spend a little 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.360 bit of time and we listen back to the demo, 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.360 we talk about what everybody's feeling. They go out in 0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.400 the room and they play a little bit. I'm working 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.319 on the sound, you know. It's just like trying to 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:06.040 get you know, where everybody's sitting and how all those 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.360 things kind of work. And you know, there's a dialogue 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.719 back and forth about the nuances of maybe the way 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.719 the drums are working with the vocal. It's like, you know, 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.440 because Griffin's used to playing on his own a lot, 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:21.200 you know which, Right, so there's a lot of rhythm yeah, 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:25.000 and stuff that he implies or he's playing that's implied 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.240 that has to be honored, some of it stripped away, 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.239 you know, you kind of have to like, Okay, well 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.640 we need that. But you know the drums need to 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.239 do that, you know. So it's just like so he's 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:40.520 got to he's got to adjust to something that he's 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:41.600 become familiar with. 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.680 Yeah, I was going to ask Griffin, how is that 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.000 for you to play with a band instead of yourself, 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.000 because it's totally different, right, I mean. 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.799 Yeah, I mean you dig it or I love any 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:54.560 chance I get to play with the band, and I 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:58.279 don't get to do it very often. But it's, uh, 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:02.480 it's also like kind of what has shaped the live 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.359 performances that I do because it's almost forced me to 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.040 talk more and tell more stories. So I've ended up 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.839 people tend to. The feedback I get a lot is like, oh, 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:13.440 I like when you tell stories, you're a good storyteller. 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:15.399 I'm like, I'm just trying to, like, you know, make 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:17.719 something up, you know, just to try to make a 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:22.920 connection and talk to you guys, and you know. But 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:26.880 playing with a band is it's so exciting in the 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:29.399 studio actually, I mean I felt so fulfilled every night 0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:32.600 when I went home, and it felt really magical when 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.799 it all came together. And it's always really exciting to 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.439 be able to be in the studio, and I wish 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.400 I could do it all the time because there's so 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:43.920 much collective energy when you have five, six, seven people 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:45.880 in the room all working on the same thing and 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.920 you hear it back through the monitors in the control 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.720 room and it just sounds like it's come to life, 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:55.800 you know, and that's a beautiful feeling. So I remember 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:59.160 being really really happy that week, and I often don't 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:02.520 feel like, oh man, I mean I forget that I 0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:05.239 even do that sometimes with how busy life can be, 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.120 you know, and then it's almost like, oh no, like 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:09.440 this is what you're supposed to be doing. Like it's 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.759 kind of like gives you a nice confirmation of of 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.520 doing you know, that you're on the right track or something. 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:19.120 But it was it was great playing with that band. 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:19.959 They were a great band. 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:24.640 On drums. Logan Todd played drums, Eli Beard played bass, 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:29.440 Drew Smithers on guitar, electric guitar, and then Elliott Blaufis's 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:32.160 on keys and a couple other things. Yeah, I think 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:32.719 he played did. 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:35.120 You play, he played a he played some guitar, he 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:36.360 played some court, didn't play. 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:36.560 What do you play? 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:37.000 Accordion? 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:38.680 On accordion? 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:43.200 Yeah, high strong guitar. Yeah, it was a yeah, it's 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:43.879 it's a lot of fun. 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:44.080 You know. 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:45.880 Then get out there and kind of work on it 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.359 a little bit and they come in and listen with 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.160 me and we talk, you know, and that's like a 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.520 constantly you got to constantly pay attention to what, you know, 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:56.880 the artist Griffin's how he's feeling. 0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:57.200 You know. 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:00.640 It's just like so it's it's a very fun, dynamic 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:04.480 thing that moves very fast, you know. But but then 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:06.800 you know, sometimes you can have false starts and you 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:10.520 gotta gotta redirect. Sometimes you take lunch, sometimes you just 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:12.799 have a long conversation. You just kind of keep pounding away. 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:14.320 It depends. 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:18.680 Well, nice work, boys, Well, thank you for all the work. 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:23.719 We're gonna enjoy the fruits of your labor on on 0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:26.440 this on listening to all the songs on the album, 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.440 but we might maybe rap with one more here. 0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:34.399 Yeah, I was working on this one and Jakir was like, oh, 0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:37.879 you need a maybe give me like one up tempo one. 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:39.560 And I was like, oh, that's cool because I'm actually 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:44.040 kind of working on an up tempo one and i'd 0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:47.360 been I took a trip to play a private show 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:51.520 down in Costa Rica right after the day after Thanksgiving, 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:53.000 and I had my guitar with me and there was 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:54.840 a lot of downtime. So I was in my hotel 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:58.480 room there again and I came up with the chorus 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:02.480 down there in the hotel and then so I had 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:04.719 this chorus. So this course is pretty good, but I 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.480 needed some verse, and so I don't know where it 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:10.520 came from, but it was a little bit autobiographical of 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:14.319 like these snapshots of just remembering kind of how my 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.840 wife and I met and where I was at the time. 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:21.440 One of the images was when I was driving from 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.680 Oregon down overnight. I played a show and then I 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:28.399 drove with my buddy like nine hours through the night 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:33.600 to see a high school friend who had ended up 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:38.160 he kind of through unfortunate circumstances. He ended up on 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.760 death row in sam Quentin, and I got this idea, 0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:46.200 like I just felt like I needed to go see him. 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.120 I was supposed to go see him, So I went 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:50.959 through this long process of getting permission to go into 0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:53.359 San Quentin prison and visit this guy who I went 0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:55.719 to high school with. And so we drove through the 0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.880 night and I went across the Golden Gate Bridge for 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:03.440 the first time and went in seeing in San Quentin. 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:06.600 And then I remember that image of the Golden Gate 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.840 Bridge and that view for the first time, driving around 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:12.239 the bend and looking out at the bay. And then 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:15.319 several years after that, I met my wife in San 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:19.320 Francisco and we were married in city Hall in San France. 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.719 So San fran there's a lot of symbolism for me, 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:26.479 and that just like crossing that bridge and eventually moving 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:30.440 to Nashville with her. And she had a dog named Floyd, 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:32.959 so all that might make sense. When I played the song, 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:33.680 I guess. 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:48.160 I was standing out a dream. 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:50.080 I was trying out to fail. 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.880 I was on the outside. I had a friend in jail. 0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:55.800 Love was on time. 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:59.600 When I was running late, I was head and South 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:01.399 lost the Golden game. 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:06.319 It was human invaded, pretty boy, Floyd. It was us 0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:10.360 against the world trying to fill that boy. It's a miracle. 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:13.440 We made it. But I do it all again. It 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.440 was just a couple of folds rushing in. 0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.359 I was gonna stick it out through thicking thing. 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:25.200 You red and now was black and blue. Dead set on. 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:33.600 You, dead set on you. I had my mind made 0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:40.680 up and my heart dead set on you to kill 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.360 a mocking bird in Nashville, Tennessee. 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.720 Out of the corner of my eye, you were look inside. Please. 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:51.040 There was no giving up, there was no turning back. 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:54.440 And we lost that first child and I had sober 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:58.760 up another day. In this slide, felt the slack suicide 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.560 draped it between the false and truth. 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:10.799 Dead set on you, thatad set on you. I had 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:14.920 my mind made. I've been my heart dead set on you. 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:18.480 That set on. 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:27.120 You, Dad set on you. I had my mind made, 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:30.040 I've been my heart dead set on. 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:51.680 You come a long way since those run awake. 0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:56.040 Sometimes, looking back, I can't believe what we do. 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.400 Neither one of us ever really black. 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:03.400 Doing what if we're told fell My currnory were spinning gold. 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:07.440 I was trying to break you, trying to fix in 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:11.640 me heart and had me yell and ricks did set on. 0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:20.520 You, did set on you. I had my mind made up, 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:26.960 in my heart dead set on you. Did set on you, 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:35.680 did set on you. I had my mind me up, 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:41.880 been my heart dead set on you. I had my 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:51.239 mind me up, been my heart dead set on you. 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:56.240 I bed big round, played the wind, made a fortune 0:54:56.280 --> 0:55:00.439 with my shuk, came in, ran the table. I never 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.600 thought I could fall down in the winter time hit 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:08.160 me like a cannon in the ball, And now. 0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:13.239 I can't shake this losing streak. Every road I take 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:14.920 is a dead end street. 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:20.600 I got thoughts in my head, can't get them out, 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.440 trying not to think what I'm thinking about. 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:26.600 I got the thoughts in my head. 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:30.719 I can't get them out, trying not to think what 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:32.080 I'm thinking about.