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Speaker 3: Hello, this is Alan Ship Knock Back for another Fire

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Speaker 3: After all these fire drills with that beautiful song, we figured,

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Speaker 3: roundtable is here at sam Valley. We are here for

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Speaker 3: the Uncle Tony Invitational brainchild of Matt Janella. He's podcasted

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Speaker 3: about it. I've written about his long standing Ultimate Buddies trip.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with you, Griffin, like, this is your first UTI,

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Speaker 3: You should know that Griffin is a very strong stick

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Speaker 8: Well, Griffin lived in Nashville for how long twenty almost

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Speaker 10: I was dying like the autumn leaves. I was burning out,

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Speaker 10: I used to get so dark, and now I feel

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Speaker 10: You're my life flying. You're my life Lie. You're my

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Speaker 10: It feels good to be happy again. It feels good

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Speaker 3: every day and every single group. There's always music playing

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00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: on the speakers, and depending who you're paired with, it

441
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: might be hip hop, it might be seventies rock, it

442
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 3: might be more modern stuff. I'm just wondering for all

443
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 3: you guys like that connection between golf and music. It's

444
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 3: pretty profound for a lot of folks. How like for

445
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 3: you actually, how.

446
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 7: Today we didn't have music, did we?

447
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: We didn't have music.

448
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: We did have music, we.

449
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: Didn't have music.

450
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 7: We're full nature trotting.

451
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it was good.

452
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it was fine.

453
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 7: I love it both, you know, either way music or none. Yeah,

454
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 7: nobody was carrying today, so it was great though it

455
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 7: was it was a little bit of a zend out

456
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 7: course anyway, you know. I mean it's full that thing.

457
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 7: Lito was just a piece of artwork, right Yeah, I

458
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 7: mean that's an amazing spot to be able to. Tom

459
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 7: doak Man should take a bow on that one. Don't

460
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 7: you think it's pretty?

461
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 4: It's otherworldly? It's just it doesn't I.

462
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 7: Just I just feel like if you could how you

463
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 7: could do that to bring a course that was set

464
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 7: famous back in another spot and get it, you know,

465
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 7: within the inch, it's just crazy.

466
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Griff, a lot of musicians love golf.

467
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 3: What is that connection that you guys have?

468
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: And it used to be so uncool to admit, Like

469
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: if I if you knew of a musician that played golf,

470
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: he didn't want anybody to know about it, you know.

471
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: And I've played a couple of rounds with Todd Snyder

472
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: and Easter Nashville, and he, like I swear, he told

473
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: me not to tell anybody he was playing. I thought

474
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 1: it's going to ruin his street cred or something. But

475
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: now it's just become you know, I think it's as

476
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: golf's gotten more popular and there's it's changed over the years,

477
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: and it's been seen in a lot different different through

478
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: different lens. You know. Even for myself, it was like

479
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: I wanted to put that old person behind me and

480
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: like become something completely different. You know. I was almost

481
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: like I don't want anything to do with that world anymore.

482
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: And now it's really interesting how for myself personally it's

483
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: become really integrated, and I think it's been you know,

484
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: for the world in general too, it's been really integrated.

485
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: I think in this weekend feels like that where there's

486
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: a lot of it's like a different style of golf,

487
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 1: and you know, like guys are walking around with basketball

488
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: socks on and like super cool outfits. There's music playing

489
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: on the course, and it's really different. But yeah, it's

490
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: nice to see some of the like some of the

491
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: cliches about golf go away and have it become, you know,

492
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of a deeper, moral, inclusive sport.

493
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 5: What were your thoughts on the lead.

494
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: Though, I thought it was really hard. I could tell

495
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: from the first hole. I mean, I knew that those

496
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: greens weren't gonna hold, and I was like, how but

497
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: how much aren't they gonna hold? Like if I you know,

498
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: if I don't but I don't play a little bit

499
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: close to the hole, I'm gonna have a fifty foot putt.

500
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: And then sure enough, on the first hole, I had

501
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: a fifty foot putt and I'm just like, oh man,

502
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna have to get these down in two

503
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: all day, it's gonna be a long day, you know.

504
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: But it was kind of like that, and every time,

505
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: like I hit one on the second hole and it

506
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: was a pretty good shot and I'm like growning when

507
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: it's in the air because I know it's gonna be

508
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: a thirty foot putt. And John's like, what's wrong with

509
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: that one? It's like, I don't want to put.

510
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: The thirty foot putt.

511
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: I want like a fifteen foot butt, you know, because

512
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: I just I hate three puttons so and then when

513
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: they're on greens that hard. It's just like trying to

514
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: get a feel for the course. But it was certainly

515
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: unusual in the in the sense that like no trees,

516
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: hard to know where to aim, probably a good thing.

517
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: We had a couple of caddies out there. But it

518
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: was really spectacular.

519
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 5: It is really a stroll through a museum. It's it's

520
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 5: very much a it's very much a feels like there's

521
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 5: something much different going on than anything or anywhere else

522
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 5: you see. I think National Golf Links is the closest

523
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 5: thing that I can compare to. But it just is

524
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 5: so much more pronounced, you know, you know, yeah, the walls,

525
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: urn of walls and bunkers. I said earlier in our

526
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 5: person thing, it's no wonder why golf took so long

527
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 5: to catch on because if they were playing that that

528
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 5: golf course back in the day.

529
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 7: But what was the original When was I should know this?

530
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 7: When was the original one designed and built and everything?

531
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 5: When did they think it was in the teens.

532
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, nineteen yeah, yeah, yeah, no, So I mean, yeah,

533
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 7: how did people hear keep playing? They published played it once.

534
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: And said what the Yeah, it's like Rob Williams retis

535
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: designed to torture people.

536
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 7: Oh my god, that was a torture chamber.

537
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 5: You have to be so precise tea, and then from

538
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 5: the Fairway and around the greens.

539
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 7: And you don't know and you don't know what's lurking

540
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 7: out there, you have no idea. It is a beast.

541
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

542
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 7: The greens were just insane too, right, I mean there

543
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 7: was I went, I walked up on severals, going I

544
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 7: could fit nine of Goat Hill parks on his green, easy, easy,

545
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 7: nine on one green.

546
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: Eighteen.

547
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: That's the one.

548
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 7: I was like, Oh, got approach out to eighteen.

549
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 5: I was like, what is happening to me right now?

550
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 5: I mean there were dance teeth yet the one I

551
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 5: mean I was curious about Chakire. First of all, what

552
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 5: do you think about the lido? And then I also

553
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 5: wanted to get your take on sort of Griffin and

554
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: his writing and how you know what listening to him

555
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 5: about that writing sort of ring you know, sparks to

556
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 5: you about in terms of all the artists you work with,

557
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: and they must all be different.

558
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, well just at the lido. It's just

559
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 6: to get that out of the way. It's spectacular course,

560
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 6: very hard. I didn't have I didn't have a great

561
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 6: day out there, but it's uh, it was really special.

562
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 7: He did hit probably the best shot in the Part

563
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 7: three number whatever.

564
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: That was six together today.

565
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, he had a rough day, but he held

566
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 7: it together and he played great at the end, and

567
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 7: he he had an amazing shot on that Part three

568
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 7: that that kind of wraps down to the pen was

569
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 7: way in the back left. Yeah, sixteen he had till

570
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 7: like twelve feet. Unbelievable, Yeah, unbelievable. So anyway, there was

571
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 7: one that was good.

572
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's super cool. It's honestly, I was

573
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 6: a little disoriented out there, yeah, just because there's nothing,

574
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 6: you know, there's no trees on the course. But it's spectacular.

575
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 6: There's a lot of blind shots. It's it's it's really cool.

576
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 6: You have to be accurate.

577
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: It was.

578
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 6: It was fun.

579
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 5: Disoriented is a great.

580
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was very disoriented totally.

581
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 5: That sums up my day.

582
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vertigo, total vertigo.

583
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 7: You're looking around.

584
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, where am I going?

585
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, get dizzy.

586
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't been overseas to play. But it

587
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: was just like, okay, this is Lynx golf. Like you're

588
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: not flopping any shots out here, Like you've got to

589
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: be really creative with how you're chipping, even chipping into

590
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: the greens. And I was thinking about the kind of

591
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: the lynxoul connection because my dad was had read this book,

592
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: uh called Golf in the Kingdom that he was really into,

593
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: and he gave it to me to read, and I

594
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: must have been fourteen or fifteen, and you know, it's

595
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: just mystical, magical tale takes place in Scotland, and there's

596
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: a character in there that is like Peter Beams, like

597
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: shit as Irons. He's like this guy. It's just like

598
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: this artist, but this really spiritual being that's also some

599
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: tuned into golf in a really weird like fifth dimensional

600
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: way somehow. And and you know, I had found out

601
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: that John knew the book really well too, and that

602
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: the name had come from Link Soul had come from

603
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: the book, and so we had that you know, that

604
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: link Soul connection through doing that reading. And then Alan

605
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: and I talked about that too. I guess you're friends

606
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: with Michael Murphy, right, And we talked about Esslyn and

607
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Big Sir and all that stuff because love that area.

608
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: But I thought like we had to mention that because

609
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: that was definitely a cool connection that we discovered that

610
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: felt like it came alive a little bit today out

611
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: there from me at least.

612
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: Know that the way all these things come.

613
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: Full circle is really unique. And that's what makes this

614
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: this game and this sport so great is just the

615
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: lifelong friendships and the connections.

616
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: And it's, uh, you know, I.

617
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: Play a lot of pick of basketball. I play a

618
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: lot of tennis, but you don't have the community like

619
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: you do here.

620
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 7: It's just no doubt golf and golf in the Kingdom. Honestly,

621
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 7: for those people that have never heard of it and

622
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 7: haven't read it, you should go read it.

623
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: It is.

624
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 7: It's definitely a benchmark, and you know, sort of like

625
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 7: learning the esoteric side of the game, you know a

626
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 7: little bit.

627
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: It's probably the best podcast I've ever done at the

628
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: Five Pick Collectives. When we did need a fourth of

629
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: Michael Murphy and Bamberger and Jeff Ogilvie, like we went,

630
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: we went way down the rabbit hole on that. But

631
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: I feel like we should play another song here. It's

632
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: that time in this podcast you mentioned you mentioned Ballard Town.

633
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that one we'd like to.

634
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: I could play that one. I could play an upbeat one.

635
00:32:59,480 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: I could play.

636
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 4: Well, it's dealer's choice. Whatever you want to play.

637
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: We want to like that.

638
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 10: Well. I made my way to the great Northwest, to

639
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 10: the sleepy little town that I love the best. I

640
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 10: rode the ferry in the salty breeze as the fog came,

641
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 10: rolling through the dug fir trees, beheld the water on

642
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 10: the Puget Sound.

643
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 11: Once upon a time in Ballard.

644
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 10: Town, Ballard Town, Old Ballard Town.

645
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 11: There's no place like it anywhere.

646
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: I found.

647
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 10: Six miles north of King Street Station, if you ride

648
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 10: those rails into Washington.

649
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 11: On the Salmon Bay in the misty rain, I took

650
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 11: a stroll down the old brick lane as the autumn leaves.

651
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 10: Gathered on the ground. Once upon a time in bathered Town.

652
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 10: Ball down, Old Bathered Town. There's no place like it

653
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 10: anywhere I found. She whispers to me as the full

654
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 10: moon glows in the early morning hours, when the foghorn blows.

655
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 10: She keeps a secret in the pink blue sky, where

656
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 10: the sidewalks glitter and the seahawks fly above the harbor

657
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 10: as the sun goes down. Once upon a time in

658
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 10: Ballard Town, Ballard Town, Old Ballard Town. There's no place

659
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 10: like it anywhere I found in the bars and the taverns,

660
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 10: in the old hotel on a warm October.

661
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I remember well.

662
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 10: I passed the docks, past the fissure men, in the

663
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 10: garden bytto locks where the ships.

664
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 11: Come in, where I dream my dream man.

665
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 10: I drank my fill and I wrote my story while

666
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 10: the time stood still, as the shadows fell and my

667
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 10: sorrows drown. Once upon a time in Ballard Town, Ballard Down, Oh,

668
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 10: Ballad Down.

669
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: There's no place like.

670
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 11: It anywhere I found. Balled Down, No Ballad Time. There's

671
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 11: no place like it anywhere I found.

672
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just need to know the story behind the song.

673
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: One thing we were talking about Griffin was the joys

674
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: of being a traveling musician is you get to play

675
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: a lot of golf on the road, and so you

676
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: have probably to support the CP and probably just because

677
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: you do it all the time, you've got a lot

678
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: of shows coming up. Can you give the listeners an

679
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: idea of that the sweep of your travels here in.

680
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 11: The Oh, yeah, I'm coming. What am I doing next?

681
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: So right after this, I'm on my way to the

682
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: Sisters Folk Festival, which I've never done before. So I'm

683
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna teach some songwriting workshops with some other artists for

684
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: the first three days and then play three days during

685
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: the concert festival, and then where's that that is in Sisters,

686
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: Oregon outside of Bend. Cool, And then I'm going to

687
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: Seattle to play a show at the Triple Door. And

688
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: then I'm coming back for a little while. I know.

689
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: I have some shows in Atlanta, Texas, Florida, and then

690
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: I do a little Midwest run Gosh, Lsu Illinois, Madison, Wisconsin, Evanston, Illinois,

691
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Pittsburgh. I think I'm missing a bunch, but

692
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: I've got like twenty five shows left this year, so

693
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to be really busy. And my daughter called

694
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: me today and she's like, Daddy, I miss you so much.

695
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got another week and a half before

696
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm home. He got used to me being home this summer,

697
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, So talk to her today after the round

698
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's hard, man, it's hard. Being away from them.

699
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: But when I'm home, I'm home. I get a lot

700
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: of quality time with them when i'm back. So I'm

701
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: only on the road like sixty seventy days a year,

702
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: probably maybe a few more.

703
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: But on the link to this podcast on the Firepit website,

704
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: we'll have a link to your your schedule too.

705
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: Oh it'd be great.

706
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your best tale from from your life is

707
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 3: on the road golf wise?

708
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 4: If you sneaked on any remberl.

709
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 3: Courses, or did you play with Willie Nelson in his

710
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 3: backyard orthing like that.

711
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: I played with Alice Cooper in Scottsdale, and he was

712
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: so nice. I had to tell everybody. I'm like, don't worry,

713
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: I won't tell everybody.

714
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 4: What a nice guy you are.

715
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: You ruin your reputation. I couldn't wait to say hit

716
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: the ball, Alice, which I think I had to at

717
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: least get that in there once. But he loves golf.

718
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: He's a good player, the nicest man, really really nice guy.

719
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: But trying to think I mean a couple of the

720
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: great you know. I always love being in San Diego

721
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: because I can stop by it and see these guys

722
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: in ocean side, so I love when that gets to happen.

723
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: But I've been out like fortunate enough to be in

724
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: the Carmel area a few times when I've already been

725
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: out there and I could justify the price stag on

726
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach because I'm already there. And so I went there.

727
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: I remember for the first time, oh gosh, I don't know,

728
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: seven eight years ago, and just had such a blast.

729
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's golf heaven. It was just so beautiful

730
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: driving up around there by Cyprus Point, the whole areas, like,

731
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: oh man, I never want to leave, so getting to

732
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: be out there. I opened for Jewel one time and

733
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: played again there at Pebble Beach. I was already out there,

734
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, those moments, but there's there's it's of great,

735
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: great moments on the road. I mean I played thousands

736
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: of shows, so it's hard to pick out it just

737
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: a couple, but certainly great when I can go take

738
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: my sticks with me too and do that during the

739
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: day and play a show after love.

740
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 3: Well, next time you come out to Pebble we're going

741
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 3: to work on your golf ight ten.

742
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 4: There you have a few more to check off the wish. Absolutely,

743
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 4: I'll be delighted to help be amazing.

744
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 5: Just going back to Jakir just for a second and

745
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 5: going back on the writing it, back on the album

746
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 5: and sort of the role you played. I mean, I've

747
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 5: only we peered in on sort of you working with

748
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 5: Joe Horowitz on working on a song and making songs.

749
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 5: So when when Griffin comes to you and he has

750
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: these songs and he's done what he needed to do

751
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 5: to get you know, something prepared for presentation, So then

752
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 5: what what kicked in there? What what do you do

753
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 5: from that point to really sort of get it where

754
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 5: it is now?

755
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 6: Sure? Well, because I didn't answer this, yeah question a

756
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 6: little bit earlier about his songwriting, I just would say

757
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 6: that ballad Town, it's like it's the tone and the

758
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 6: feel and the words it takes you somewhere. I mean,

759
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm I'm into ballad Town. I've never

760
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 6: seen it, but I kind of feel like I know

761
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 6: what it's like to walk the streets. And Yeah, So

762
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 6: that just that the gift he has for painting that

763
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 6: picture is extraordinary. It really moves me. I feel something

764
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 6: from it, you know, the process, the processes. Yeah, well,

765
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 6: you know, we talk, we get to know each other

766
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 6: a little bit more kind of find you know, I

767
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 6: want to know about the person a little bit and

768
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 6: I want to share who I am because it's like

769
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 6: a kind of a it's an intense thing to make

770
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 6: a record, you know, It's like, you know, it's it's

771
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 6: an ambitious effort. It's kind of like pulling something out

772
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 6: of the air. It's kind of like, you know, it's

773
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 6: like the second phase of discos, like discovering something and

774
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 6: having something kind of brought out of the air of

775
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 6: the universe. It's so you know, you kind of want

776
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 6: to at least I like to spend some time getting

777
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 6: to know the person. And because it also sets up

778
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 6: the communication to talk about things that are hard to

779
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 6: talk about, you know, just in terms of like creative

780
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 6: creativity and interpreting and painting a sonic picture that supports

781
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 6: that story and that that feels that doesn't doesn't take

782
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 6: you off the narrative completely. It fills it out and

783
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 6: gives it some support.

784
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 5: And so that is the act of productive that's the

785
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: producing of it all.

786
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's I mean, there's definitely that's a I mean,

787
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 6: there's a lot of ways to do it, but you know,

788
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 6: for me, that's it's important because you know, there's you know,

789
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 6: like a lot of times and even even if it

790
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 6: takes five years in the case of Lifeline, I mean,

791
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 6: it starts with the seed of an idea. You know,

792
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 6: there's a moment of inspiration if it's just you know,

793
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 6: playing some chords or walking in valid town and just

794
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 6: singing that that you know that phrase.

795
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

796
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 6: But so that's that's my goal is always to find

797
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 6: that truth, you know.

798
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: And we had a false start with the first song.

799
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: We were gonna do the easy one, which we thought

800
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: was Lifeline because it was the most together song, and

801
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: we started playing it and just wasn't working at all.

802
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't vibing. And so like part of what Jakiir

803
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 1: and I have to be able to do together, which

804
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: requires skill, is like, okay, how do we It's like

805
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: you're kind of we're heading down a bad road here,

806
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: like we need this is the first song and this

807
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: is not working, and you start thinking you're a tempted

808
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: to think like, oh ship, is the whole session gonna

809
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: go like this, Like is it gonna We're gonna turn

810
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: this around? And so we have you have to be

811
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: creative about I thought you could explain that you.

812
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 6: Have to you have to be got off to a

813
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 6: little bit of a rough Yeah.

814
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 7: That's uncommon.

815
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 6: I mean, that's not uncommon.

816
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: It's like first t jitters, like.

817
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 5: We doubled our first.

818
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 6: We were back the Yeah, but you have to be there,

819
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 6: you have to have a conversation. You have to be

820
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 6: honest and just kind of like you know, you have

821
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 6: to address it and kind of try to redirect it

822
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 6: and you know, just kind of just be honest. That's

823
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 6: the that's the thing that's the important part of building

824
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 6: relationship is because he hadn't need so much honesty and transparency,

825
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 6: you know, because not all I mean it's just like

826
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 6: these are Griffin's like his songs. You know, that's like

827
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 6: this is like this amazing thing that he pulls together.

828
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 6: You know, so you have to yeah, communication and being

829
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 6: honest and finding the truth. Really we talked about you know,

830
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 6: Griffin started sending me songs and I would listen and

831
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 6: you know, I'd have some most of a lot of

832
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 6: it was just very encouraging because he's he's an excellent

833
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 6: song crafter, you know. And then in terms of like

834
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 6: the record making perspective, i'd you know, maybe say a

835
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 6: few things about like the structure or I think we

836
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 6: might have dropped a verse from a song or something

837
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 6: like that.

838
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: Well you put it, You put a great band together,

839
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: and then you you also spent so much time, you know,

840
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: trying different mics and taking so much care and getting

841
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: the right sounds.

842
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, well yeah, I mean you know it's like,

843
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 6: you know, you pick the songs and it's like, okay,

844
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 6: what musicians are gonna what you know, what professional musicians

845
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 6: can I bring together that are going to come in

846
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 6: the room and immediately switch, you know, switch into being

847
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 6: a band member. Like they're going to show up and

848
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 6: they're going to be invested.

849
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: They're not just add value.

850
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 6: Because you know, it's just like they have to you know,

851
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 6: they have to be creative on the fly in a

852
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 6: way and and sort of respond and react to you know.

853
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 6: You know, it's like you said, we send them the

854
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 6: songs before, but then there's a difference being in the

855
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 6: room and playing with Griffin. You know, it's just like

856
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 6: so assembled we were, they were five in the studio,

857
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 6: you know, playing live together, and we spend a little

858
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 6: bit of time and we listen back to the demo,

859
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 6: we talk about what everybody's feeling. They go out in

860
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 6: the room and they play a little bit. I'm working

861
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 6: on the sound, you know. It's just like trying to

862
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 6: get you know, where everybody's sitting and how all those

863
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 6: things kind of work. And you know, there's a dialogue

864
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 6: back and forth about the nuances of maybe the way

865
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 6: the drums are working with the vocal. It's like, you know,

866
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 6: because Griffin's used to playing on his own a lot,

867
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 6: you know which, Right, so there's a lot of rhythm yeah,

868
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 6: and stuff that he implies or he's playing that's implied

869
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 6: that has to be honored, some of it stripped away,

870
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 6: you know, you kind of have to like, Okay, well

871
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 6: we need that. But you know the drums need to

872
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 6: do that, you know. So it's just like so he's

873
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 6: got to he's got to adjust to something that he's

874
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 6: become familiar with.

875
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to ask Griffin, how is that

876
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 7: for you to play with a band instead of yourself,

877
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 7: because it's totally different, right, I mean.

878
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you dig it or I love any

879
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: chance I get to play with the band, and I

880
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: don't get to do it very often. But it's, uh,

881
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: it's also like kind of what has shaped the live

882
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: performances that I do because it's almost forced me to

883
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: talk more and tell more stories. So I've ended up

884
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: people tend to. The feedback I get a lot is like, oh,

885
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: I like when you tell stories, you're a good storyteller.

886
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just trying to, like, you know, make

887
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: something up, you know, just to try to make a

888
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: connection and talk to you guys, and you know. But

889
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: playing with a band is it's so exciting in the

890
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: studio actually, I mean I felt so fulfilled every night

891
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: when I went home, and it felt really magical when

892
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: it all came together. And it's always really exciting to

893
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: be able to be in the studio, and I wish

894
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: I could do it all the time because there's so

895
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: much collective energy when you have five, six, seven people

896
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: in the room all working on the same thing and

897
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: you hear it back through the monitors in the control

898
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: room and it just sounds like it's come to life,

899
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, and that's a beautiful feeling. So I remember

900
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: being really really happy that week, and I often don't

901
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: feel like, oh man, I mean I forget that I

902
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: even do that sometimes with how busy life can be,

903
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, and then it's almost like, oh no, like

904
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: this is what you're supposed to be doing. Like it's

905
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: kind of like gives you a nice confirmation of of

906
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: doing you know, that you're on the right track or something.

907
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: But it was it was great playing with that band.

908
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 1: They were a great band.

909
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 6: On drums. Logan Todd played drums, Eli Beard played bass,

910
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 6: Drew Smithers on guitar, electric guitar, and then Elliott Blaufis's

911
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 6: on keys and a couple other things. Yeah, I think

912
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 6: he played did.

913
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: You play, he played a he played some guitar, he

914
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: played some court, didn't play.

915
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: What do you play?

916
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 6: Accordion?

917
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: On accordion?

918
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, high strong guitar. Yeah, it was a yeah, it's

919
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 6: it's a lot of fun.

920
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 7: You know.

921
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 6: Then get out there and kind of work on it

922
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 6: a little bit and they come in and listen with

923
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 6: me and we talk, you know, and that's like a

924
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 6: constantly you got to constantly pay attention to what, you know,

925
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 6: the artist Griffin's how he's feeling.

926
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 4: You know.

927
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 6: It's just like so it's it's a very fun, dynamic

928
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 6: thing that moves very fast, you know. But but then

929
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 6: you know, sometimes you can have false starts and you

930
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 6: gotta gotta redirect. Sometimes you take lunch, sometimes you just

931
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 6: have a long conversation. You just kind of keep pounding away.

932
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 6: It depends.

933
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 5: Well, nice work, boys, Well, thank you for all the work.

934
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 5: We're gonna enjoy the fruits of your labor on on

935
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 5: this on listening to all the songs on the album,

936
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 5: but we might maybe rap with one more here.

937
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was working on this one and Jakir was like, oh,

938
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: you need a maybe give me like one up tempo one.

939
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's cool because I'm actually

940
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of working on an up tempo one and i'd

941
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: been I took a trip to play a private show

942
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: down in Costa Rica right after the day after Thanksgiving,

943
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: and I had my guitar with me and there was

944
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: a lot of downtime. So I was in my hotel

945
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: room there again and I came up with the chorus

946
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: down there in the hotel and then so I had

947
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: this chorus. So this course is pretty good, but I

948
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: needed some verse, and so I don't know where it

949
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: came from, but it was a little bit autobiographical of

950
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: like these snapshots of just remembering kind of how my

951
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: wife and I met and where I was at the time.

952
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: One of the images was when I was driving from

953
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: Oregon down overnight. I played a show and then I

954
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: drove with my buddy like nine hours through the night

955
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: to see a high school friend who had ended up

956
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: he kind of through unfortunate circumstances. He ended up on

957
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: death row in sam Quentin, and I got this idea,

958
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: like I just felt like I needed to go see him.

959
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go see him, So I went

960
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,959
Speaker 1: through this long process of getting permission to go into

961
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: San Quentin prison and visit this guy who I went

962
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: to high school with. And so we drove through the

963
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: night and I went across the Golden Gate Bridge for

964
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: the first time and went in seeing in San Quentin.

965
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: And then I remember that image of the Golden Gate

966
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: Bridge and that view for the first time, driving around

967
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: the bend and looking out at the bay. And then

968
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: several years after that, I met my wife in San

969
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: Francisco and we were married in city Hall in San France.

970
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: So San fran there's a lot of symbolism for me,

971
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,479
Speaker 1: and that just like crossing that bridge and eventually moving

972
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: to Nashville with her. And she had a dog named Floyd,

973
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 1: so all that might make sense. When I played the song,

974
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: I guess.

975
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 12: I was standing out a dream.

976
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 11: I was trying out to fail.

977
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 12: I was on the outside. I had a friend in jail.

978
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 11: Love was on time.

979
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 10: When I was running late, I was head and South

980
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 10: lost the Golden game.

981
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 12: It was human invaded, pretty boy, Floyd. It was us

982
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 12: against the world trying to fill that boy. It's a miracle.

983
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 12: We made it. But I do it all again. It

984
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 12: was just a couple of folds rushing in.

985
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 11: I was gonna stick it out through thicking thing.

986
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 12: You red and now was black and blue. Dead set on.

987
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 13: You, dead set on you. I had my mind made

988
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 13: up and my heart dead set on you to kill

989
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 13: a mocking bird in Nashville, Tennessee.

990
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 12: Out of the corner of my eye, you were look inside. Please.

991
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 12: There was no giving up, there was no turning back.

992
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 10: And we lost that first child and I had sober

993
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 10: up another day. In this slide, felt the slack suicide

994
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 10: draped it between the false and truth.

995
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 13: Dead set on you, thatad set on you. I had

996
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 13: my mind made. I've been my heart dead set on you.

997
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 7: That set on.

998
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 13: You, Dad set on you. I had my mind made,

999
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 13: I've been my heart dead set on.

1000
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 12: You come a long way since those run awake.

1001
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 10: Sometimes, looking back, I can't believe what we do.

1002
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 12: Neither one of us ever really black.

1003
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 10: Doing what if we're told fell My currnory were spinning gold.

1004
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 10: I was trying to break you, trying to fix in

1005
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 10: me heart and had me yell and ricks did set on.

1006
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 13: You, did set on you. I had my mind made up,

1007
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 13: in my heart dead set on you. Did set on you,

1008
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 13: did set on you. I had my mind me up,

1009
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 13: been my heart dead set on you. I had my

1010
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 13: mind me up, been my heart dead set on you.

1011
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 10: I bed big round, played the wind, made a fortune

1012
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 10: with my shuk, came in, ran the table. I never

1013
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 10: thought I could fall down in the winter time hit

1014
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 10: me like a cannon in the ball, And now.

1015
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 11: I can't shake this losing streak. Every road I take

1016
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 11: is a dead end street.

1017
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: I got thoughts in my head, can't get them out,

1018
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: trying not to think what I'm thinking about.

1019
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: I got the thoughts in my head.

1020
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: I can't get them out, trying not to think what

1021
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about.