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Speaker 2: Okay, Risotto? Oh Joe, your team is on the elimination.
Speaker 2: They go down three to zero. The Dallas Mavericks beat
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timber was one sixteen to one oh seven,
Speaker 2: and it was because of Kyrie and Luca. They were
Speaker 2: sensational Both guys scored thirty three points. Both guys were
Speaker 2: extremely efficient. Kyrie was twelve or twenty from the floor
Speaker 2: for thirty three. Luca was ten of twenty from the floor,
Speaker 2: five of eleven from three. Kyrie was three or six
Speaker 2: from three thirty three points. But it's been Kyrie the
Speaker 2: last two fourth quarters. And the last two fourth quarters
Speaker 2: he was fourteen points on five of seven plus nine.
Speaker 2: Tonight he was thirteen points four or five plus eight,
Speaker 2: missed the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: He did it again. And the things that I thought
Speaker 3: was gonna cause Minnesota problem.
Speaker 2: Was that dynamic duo because they can get any shot
Speaker 2: they want, any time they want. They can shoot the
Speaker 2: three ball, they can put the ball on the floor
Speaker 2: and get to the mid range. They can get all
Speaker 2: the way to the basket either hand, either guy. They're tremendous.
Speaker 2: And I thought that would be a problem. But I
Speaker 2: was thinking that you know, Cat and and and an
Speaker 2: ant man could offset that play those guys to a standstill.
Speaker 3: Now, Mike Connolly, Nazrid.
Speaker 2: J McDaniels, Walker, Alexander Walker, those guys say, you know what, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna make it a We're gonna make it a three,
Speaker 2: A three three on three tournament. We're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 2: neutralize your big two and then we're gonna play basketball.
Speaker 2: But that's the difference in the ball game, Oh Joe.
Speaker 2: And also the Mintals, the uh Dallas Mavericks was one
Speaker 2: of the best teams in the clutch NBA to find
Speaker 2: clutch last five minutes of the game, game within five points.
Speaker 2: I think there were one or two them and the
Speaker 2: Lakers went back and forth. Teams laid the ball game
Speaker 2: five down, five uh five minutes in the ball game,
Speaker 2: and you see execution after execution. The ball's gonna be
Speaker 2: in one of those guys. It's gonna be in Luca's head,
Speaker 2: or it's gonna be and Kyrie one or the other,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna get a great shot, or they're gonna
Speaker 2: find the perfect pass.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What you when you're watching this game, what did
Speaker 3: you see?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we didn't do enough. We didn't do nothing.
Speaker 1: A moment, I'm breaking down a little bit emotionally because
Speaker 1: I wanted to see something different. I wanted to see
Speaker 1: the ant man magic. I want to see the face
Speaker 1: of the league rise to the occasion against Luca, against Kyrie.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see kat do what he does. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see goddamned Rudy Gerbert show up to the
Speaker 1: party every night. We got nas reed. I said the
Speaker 1: Wolves are gonna win this game in seven. The reason
Speaker 1: I said they were gonna win the game in seven
Speaker 1: was because of the height and the length that the
Speaker 1: MAVs had to deal with. And it seems like none
Speaker 1: of that is working. That none of that is working,
Speaker 1: even though in the post by the rim, by the
Speaker 1: basket where those seven footers are like, I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: because of their size and length, they will cause problems
Speaker 1: for Kyrie and Luca, And it just hasn't come to
Speaker 1: that in three goddamn games. Not only that, on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, we are not matching wits
Speaker 1: with what they're doing. They are putting on the show
Speaker 1: every goddamn night. Kyrie like a goddamn light switch. He
Speaker 1: pick and choose when he wanted to turn it on. Luca.
Speaker 1: Did you see Luca hit the fade away? They got
Speaker 1: the fade away towards the end, Like come on, man,
Speaker 1: he just okay, he not just throwing it up, but
Speaker 1: shock like, can't nobody do nothing with him? Can't the
Speaker 1: so like, I feel bad because I'm breaking down. I'm
Speaker 1: breaking down emostly because I picked the awards to win,
Speaker 1: and seven because I want to see the face Lee.
Speaker 1: I want to see him man do something that's never
Speaker 1: been done before, you know, And it's not panning out
Speaker 1: the way I thought it would. I got I got
Speaker 1: money on the line, and that is really why my
Speaker 1: feelings are hurt. And I'm kind of emotional and I'm
Speaker 1: crying behind machades because I don't really want nobody to
Speaker 1: make me a meme. I don't want people to laugh
Speaker 1: at me. And uh man, it's unfortunate, man, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times a team has come back,
Speaker 1: you know, down from three.
Speaker 3: To zero or O three never huh never?
Speaker 2: Okay, So normally they don't even get an opportunity to
Speaker 2: force the game seven.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Well you know what this might It might happen.
Speaker 1: It might happen the ant Man magic, you know, and
Speaker 1: the ant Man that I know. They might come back
Speaker 1: from O three and shock the world.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna believe you.
Speaker 2: Look at Ojo, Yes, sir, do you realize that Ant
Speaker 2: and Kat shot sixteen of forty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now just the other night there was nine of thirty three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so nine of thirty three sixteen or forty four. How
Speaker 2: you gonna win like that?
Speaker 3: I know, man?
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And when you look at it here, the problem that
Speaker 2: they have is that when the big come to take
Speaker 2: Kyrie and Luca, once they get past their defender, all
Speaker 2: they gonna do is lob it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's Lively dunking on your head. Yeah, there's Gafford
Speaker 2: the dunking on your head. There gonna dunk it on
Speaker 2: your head. So the thing is is that because they can't,
Speaker 2: they don't really have anybody that can stay in front
Speaker 2: of Luca and Kyrie. And you got to send the
Speaker 2: bigs to help. You send the bigs the help. We
Speaker 2: live it up. It's an easy two points now, you
Speaker 2: hope that, But Kyrie and Luca can still finish. You
Speaker 2: see Kyrie with the and one. He's mad, he's matching
Speaker 2: with the basketball in his aim. But listen, he can
Speaker 2: do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: But at some point, at some point, they got to
Speaker 1: have an off night shooting. Man. They I mean, they
Speaker 1: have been efficient from the field the past three games.
Speaker 1: At some point they have to have an off night,
Speaker 1: and I think when they have that off night, and
Speaker 1: you got to come through for me. Cat, you got
Speaker 1: to come through for me.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You know, I got titles on the line. I got
Speaker 1: a lease on the line, Like I need y'all. I
Speaker 1: know y'all gonna see this clip, like somebody got to
Speaker 1: do something. Rudy, even if you're a deepensive player of
Speaker 1: the year, I need you not to be an offensive liability.
Speaker 1: I need I need, I need twenty and ten from
Speaker 1: goddamn Rudy. That's what That's not what he is, even
Speaker 1: that's not what he is. I need you. I need
Speaker 1: you to do something different. That's what I need. It's
Speaker 1: the playoffs. We talk about going to the NBA Championship.
Speaker 2: Well, but here's the thing. If you look at it,
Speaker 2: they shot fifty fifty from the floor. They lost the
Speaker 2: three point battle. But when you look at it, the bigs.
Speaker 2: The problem that that I even I unestimated a little bit,
Speaker 2: was how active and good defensively the bigs for Dallas
Speaker 2: are whither They don't have the name. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you look at Daniel Gaffert, he was a lady. He
Speaker 2: was a trade late trade. You look at a PJ. Washington,
Speaker 2: he was a trade. You look at Lively, he's a rookie.
Speaker 2: They do a great job of protecting you see, let
Speaker 2: gafferd get that block at the end. Lively challenging everything.
Speaker 2: You come inside, He's gonna challenge you. Even they got.
Speaker 2: They got some minutes out of jer own power tonight,
Speaker 2: who hadn't played a whole lot. He came in, he
Speaker 2: played eight minutes, but you had it. He's another big yeah.
Speaker 2: And so they're getting great production from anybody that steps
Speaker 2: on the floor.
Speaker 3: They're getting production from.
Speaker 2: So you look at all the guys that everybody that
Speaker 2: stepped on the poor floor that played at least two minutes,
Speaker 2: they scored.
Speaker 1: So you so you're basically telling me the series is over.
Speaker 3: It ain't looking good.
Speaker 2: I look here, I ain't saying it's over, but the chance.
Speaker 3: Of sliming none and slim been eating.
Speaker 1: I ain't ain't looking it ain't looking good for me
Speaker 1: on this end the man.
Speaker 3: No, I ain't looking good.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 3: But what do you do? Ojoe?
Speaker 2: See now, you said, are you hoping they'd be off
Speaker 2: four games in a row, Because that's what you got
Speaker 2: to do. You got to beat this team four games
Speaker 2: in a row, and you say, what if they have
Speaker 2: an off game? What you guys haven't had their own game? Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: say Cat numbers what he shot. Cat Cat is probably
Speaker 2: shooting in the thirty percent times.
Speaker 1: So that's to see what you just said.
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, at some point, maybe the next game, Game four,
Speaker 1: let's say Kyrie and Luca have off night. Then obviously
Speaker 1: ant Man emerges and does what we know we can do.
Speaker 1: Cat has a spectacular game. Rudy Gobert paid plays lights out,
Speaker 1: nas Reed from the Perimeter has a game in the
Speaker 1: block has a game, and then we match with for
Speaker 1: Wit from from that point on, because our back is
Speaker 1: against the wall, our backs against the wall, and let's
Speaker 1: and hope we can make this an interesting series and
Speaker 1: not get swept. I'm hoping because I'm really I'm rarely
Speaker 1: I'm very very rarely wrong when it comes to guessing
Speaker 1: on who's gonna win games, whether it be football, NBA, soccer.
Speaker 1: I'm really wrong, and I really really I'm about like,
Speaker 1: deep down inside, I really thought the I mean the Calves.
Speaker 1: I really thought the Wolves are gonna shock the world
Speaker 1: and win this series.
Speaker 2: And seven Dwight Pile, not Jerome Dwight Pile. The Jerome
Speaker 2: Pile is the damn fan chair DWIGHTE Pile. He doesn't
Speaker 2: play much, so I've mispronounced the name. I'm sorry. But
Speaker 2: he came in. He came in the game from great
Speaker 2: minutes tonight. I don't think the game would have been
Speaker 2: this close had Derreck Lively not taken that knee to
Speaker 2: the back of the head. He's more active, he's he's
Speaker 2: he's a more active player. He understands. He does a
Speaker 2: great job of rolling to the rim. He does a
Speaker 2: great job of offensive rebounding. And you know, a gafferd
Speaker 2: at the end of the at the end of the half,
Speaker 2: there's one second on the clock. Rudy Gobert got the
Speaker 2: ball and he reaches in and commission file.
Speaker 3: Why why?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: And so when you look at when you look at
Speaker 2: and you say, okay, you hope they shoot bad. But
Speaker 2: if I get to my spot, the likelihood of you
Speaker 2: making me shoot bad and I get to every time
Speaker 2: I get to, I go to. Just think about you
Speaker 2: get to run every route, you win, every route you run.
Speaker 2: You said, man, he gonna drop some sooner or later.
Speaker 2: You mean to tell me you're gonna let me run
Speaker 2: the out. You're gonna let me run the bang, You're
Speaker 2: gonna let me run to dig, You're gonna let me
Speaker 2: run the end. Pro I'm getting whatever I want and
Speaker 2: you and your your best and the best thing you
Speaker 2: can hope is not defense?
Speaker 3: Is that? Man? I hope he drop it? That what
Speaker 3: you over Listen.
Speaker 1: I have no other answer. I have no and I
Speaker 1: have no other answer. That's the only thing I can
Speaker 1: hope for people that are fans of the Wolves, that's
Speaker 1: the only thing they can hope for Dallas fans. Probably
Speaker 1: probably they are already ready, they already they celebrated.
Speaker 3: They ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean them two guys in
Speaker 2: the back court. We've never seen guys that can handle
Speaker 2: the ball in the back court that can score like
Speaker 2: these guys can. I'm gonna let y'all debate who y'all
Speaker 2: think the greatest back.
Speaker 3: Court of ball time?
Speaker 1: Joe but Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 2: They couldn't score like these two. Okay, Isaiah was more
Speaker 2: of a prototypical point guard. Yes, he could distribute. Isaiah
Speaker 2: led the league and assist. Right, so has I think Luca.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Lucas ever led the league in
Speaker 2: since we know he's led the league and score and Kyrie.
Speaker 2: We know Kyrie can score. Joe d was more of
Speaker 2: a lockdown defender. He could score the basketball. He's finals MVP,
Speaker 2: so obviously he's a good player. He's in the Basketball
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, so I'm not trying to minish him.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if we've seen two guys at
Speaker 2: the guard position, you, Okay, you look at Clay and
Speaker 2: Clay and Steph. Obviously Steph is a two time scoring
Speaker 2: champ if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3: And he's an MVP.
Speaker 2: But Clay, Yeah, Clay has had some outstanding shooting game,
Speaker 2: but he can't go get buckets like Clay. I mean,
Speaker 2: like like Kyrie. Right who did Luca? Luca finished second
Speaker 2: of assist. So yeah, this backcourt right here, because they
Speaker 2: put so much pressure on you because they can shoot
Speaker 2: the ball from outside. Because normally the guys that shoot
Speaker 2: the ball outside, they don't finish at the rim.
Speaker 3: Both of these.
Speaker 2: Guys can finish at the rim, and now they and
Speaker 2: now they can go. Now, Kyrie's got a little case
Speaker 2: of the years at the pre throw line. He's missed,
Speaker 2: like I think I think he's missed about five or
Speaker 2: six free throws in the past three games, which is
Speaker 2: very uncharacteristic of him because he's normally a ninety ninety
Speaker 2: pre throw shooting right, So for him to miss the
Speaker 2: kind of free throws that he's missing, that's very uncharacteristic
Speaker 2: of him. But Minnesota's gonna have I don't really know
Speaker 2: what Minnesota can do out yo, because you said Rudy,
Speaker 2: Rudy gonna give you what Rudy does here is what
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 1: But you know, when it comes to time times like this,
Speaker 1: you know you have to do more. You have to
Speaker 1: do something special that we haven't seen before. You have
Speaker 1: to be extraordinary. You know, you can't just go by
Speaker 1: based on what you did during the regular season. They
Speaker 1: come playoff time, you have to rise to the occasion.
Speaker 1: You have you have to, you have to and listen.
Speaker 1: I just I'm I'm hurt. You don't understand, like if
Speaker 1: they lose this series.
Speaker 2: But it's not looking good. I'm not gonna say they lose.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, but I'm saying the old fat lady
Speaker 2: she humming. You know he drinking salt water right now
Speaker 2: in Lemon's gonna get he getting a voice ready, she
Speaker 2: warming up.
Speaker 3: Mm me me me me me, me, me, me me me,
Speaker 3: tired man.
Speaker 2: But you know what, me me me me me me.
Speaker 2: Damn man, it's tough because you're so close. They took
Speaker 2: by the defending champs and everybody it's support. I said, bro,
Speaker 2: If y'all watch the Mavericks this year and you see
Speaker 2: that Luca and Kyrie can take turn dancing on you
Speaker 2: both guys.
Speaker 3: We saw Luca.
Speaker 2: Luca had a sixty twenty triple double. Do you understand
Speaker 2: how hard that is to score sixty points, grab twenty
Speaker 2: rebounds and dish out double digit assistant Yeah, and Kyrie, Bro,
Speaker 2: we seen Kyrie dance with the best of them. Kyrie
Speaker 2: can go get twenty twenty five points in a quarter.
Speaker 2: He can go get fifty at the drop of a hat. So,
Speaker 2: and when you got two guys that they can create
Speaker 2: their own, I ain't got to get the I don't
Speaker 2: got to have somebody to give them the ball like
Speaker 2: a big They can literally bring the ball up and
Speaker 2: dance on. You can get whatever shot they want any
Speaker 2: time they want. So unless you trap them, bliss them,
Speaker 2: get the ball out of their head. Oh you're at
Speaker 2: the mercy, right, you're at their mercy, Like you said,
Speaker 2: you hope they missed.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine this? Now? I hate to be I
Speaker 1: hate to be thinking ahead of time. So how well
Speaker 1: do the Cavs match up with the Celtics and imagine,
Speaker 1: just imagine this, imagine Kyrie winning the ring, winning the
Speaker 1: ring against the Celtics. You mean the MAVs match up
Speaker 1: with the means I'm sorry, Yeah, the mass match up
Speaker 1: with the Celtics.
Speaker 2: It'd be a good matchup, very good. I mean, Derek
Speaker 2: Derek White is a tremendous on ball defender, but he
Speaker 2: ain't doing it. He ain't doing anything with Kyrie. Kyrie
Speaker 2: gonna get whatever he wants. Yeah, the question is who
Speaker 2: do they pull on Luca? Is it j T or JB?
Speaker 2: Because it's going to go zappam. He's gonna take a
Speaker 2: lot of energy out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the Jaylen Brown.
Speaker 2: Jaylen Brown like six eight six seven six eight, yeah,
Speaker 2: j T like six nine sixteen.
Speaker 3: They're big. They're big team, the big team.
Speaker 2: The Mavericks match up with him well, because you know
Speaker 2: they go Lively at seven to one, they go gafferd
Speaker 2: at sixteen, they go PJ.
Speaker 3: Washington probably six, six, eight, sixt nine.
Speaker 2: Uh so they they match up, they match up, well,
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Derreck Jones Jr.
Speaker 3: Can Can defend.
Speaker 2: He's gonna probably take one of He's gonna probably take
Speaker 2: I would as soon Carrie he takes, Noah, he takes Uh,
Speaker 2: he'll take J T.
Speaker 3: PJ. Washington will take JB.
Speaker 1: Okay, damn.
Speaker 2: And then you have gafferd that they will match up
Speaker 2: with Al Horford and then oh Holiday Holliday will take Luca. Okay,
Speaker 2: Holliday will take you two day he too, damn small,
Speaker 2: he's strong though, he got no choice, got no choice.
Speaker 2: Holliday will take Luca, and Derreck Joe and uh, Derrick
Speaker 2: White will take Kyrie and they'll play from there.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I mean I hate it, but.
Speaker 3: It'll be a great series. It'll be a great series.
Speaker 1: Who you got in that one I took?
Speaker 3: I took the Celtics.
Speaker 2: We had to pick, and I took the Celtics to
Speaker 2: win the title when I picked the Math to come
Speaker 2: out of the West. But it's gonna be a great series.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be It would be a tremendous series. I
Speaker 2: can see it going seven games. Excuse me, I can
Speaker 2: see it going seven games, but the Dallas Mavericks are
Speaker 2: one win. Both teams, the Celtics and the MAVs, are
Speaker 2: one win away from advancing to the NBA Finals. The
Speaker 2: Celtics play tomorrow night with a chance to close out
Speaker 2: the Pacers, and the Mavericks played the timber Wolves on
Speaker 2: Tuesday night at home with a chance to close out
Speaker 2: the t Wolves. So might have have might be sweeps
Speaker 2: in the Eastern and Western Conference finals. After we had
Speaker 2: that great seven games, have a seven games Pacers, Knicks,
Speaker 2: we had seven games Wolves.
Speaker 3: Nuggets, and now we might got ah h that heart
Speaker 3: might have sweeps in both conferences?
Speaker 1: Bang, what what are they?
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because they already got them pegged.
Speaker 2: They already got them said game one would start winning.
Speaker 2: I think they got them set already cause you a
Speaker 2: mess up with TV schedule. Yeah they might, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, cause June sixth, that's like two weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure they got contingency plans for that.
Speaker 2: All right, Oh Joe, it's time for our first It's
Speaker 2: time for our first segment of the day, and it's
Speaker 2: called NewsCap. Kyle Kuzma rejected a trade to the Dallas
Speaker 2: Mavericks at the deadline because they weren't true contenders.
Speaker 3: This is what Kuzma told the Athletic.
Speaker 2: In my career, I won a championship, so I understand
Speaker 2: that when we played this game of basketball, it's not
Speaker 2: about contending for his playoff spot. It's about contending for
Speaker 2: an NBA championship. They're only three or four contenders, true contenders,
Speaker 2: and I just felt like our timelines didn't add up.
Speaker 2: Dallas ending the trade, ended up trading for PJ Washington
Speaker 2: and Daniel Gafford instead.
Speaker 1: What was he looking at? I'm just curious. Before Gafford
Speaker 1: and PJ Washington got there, how could you not see
Speaker 1: Luca and Kyrie and think, you know what, we have
Speaker 1: a true opportunity to win an NBA championship. And he says,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want to go.
Speaker 2: There because they weren't playing like this when they got PJ.
Speaker 2: When they got PJ and they got Gaffered, it changed
Speaker 2: everything around. They only ended up ended up losing like
Speaker 2: two or three games once they got those guys, so
Speaker 2: they took off and went to it. But in the
Speaker 2: process you got to foresee because sometimes people only look
Speaker 2: at the position that they're in, and they don't.
Speaker 3: Forecast and see the really great people.
Speaker 2: Yes, the forecast, because if you only look at the situation,
Speaker 2: if I only looked at where I was, I would
Speaker 2: have never been where I am. Right, if you only
Speaker 2: looked at where you were, I'm in Liberty City and
Speaker 2: that's all you saw. Yeah, well how do you go
Speaker 2: further than Liberty City? Kyle Kuzma could only see what
Speaker 2: he saw right then and there.
Speaker 1: Right, But I mean my mindset. Listen, I'm not Kyle Kuzman.
Speaker 1: He's a great player. Obviously this season he had twenty
Speaker 1: two we average twenty two a game. He was, you know,
Speaker 1: seventy seven percent from the line, thirty three percent from three.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at it from the standpoint I don't
Speaker 1: care what you got there. I'm getting ready to go
Speaker 1: play with greatness, even if they weren't when at the time,
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, I got an opportunity to play with Kyrie.
Speaker 1: I have an opportunity to play with Luca. I understand
Speaker 1: how dynamic they are offensively. I could be the third
Speaker 1: head of that munster. I can get the third head
Speaker 1: of that munster. Why who turns that down? Even if
Speaker 1: they weren't winning. Let me go there, Let me go
Speaker 1: to Dallas and be a difference maker and turn things around.
Speaker 1: Let me do let me do my due justice. That's
Speaker 1: just that's the way I.
Speaker 2: Would think PJ is a better fit because you look
Speaker 2: at the numbers that KOs is averaging. They would need
Speaker 2: him to average twenty two and can see the thing
Speaker 2: is like you have to understand, look at the guys
Speaker 2: brandon Ingram needed to be out elsewhere because he couldn't
Speaker 2: be the be out. It went to the All Star
Speaker 2: Game playing with Lebron in Ad Kuzma. You see how
Speaker 2: Kuzma look in Washington as opposed to how you look
Speaker 2: in La. So now he didn't really he didn't really
Speaker 2: want to be in that situation. Again, he like being
Speaker 2: able to shoot as much as he want. Whenever you go, okay,
Speaker 2: I see what he's talking about. I see where're going.
Speaker 2: Truth be told where you because he knows it goes
Speaker 2: Luca and Kyrie and whatever's left, it's you get to eat.
Speaker 2: So PJ is a better fit because PJ doesn't need
Speaker 2: to try to score twenty two points to show his value.
Speaker 2: Sometimes guys only see their value in score. PJ say
Speaker 2: you know what, I might just need to knock down
Speaker 2: a three late in the ball game. I need to
Speaker 2: play defense. I need to play I need to rebound.
Speaker 2: See you see ad Man in game in game seven,
Speaker 2: he didn't score, but he says, you know what I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say, screens. You know what, I'm a hund the
Speaker 2: hell out of Jamal Murray. And so you have to
Speaker 2: see value in other areas as opposed to just score it.
Speaker 2: See the team that does that the best, the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers, they're wide receivers. They might not catch for
Speaker 2: one hundred, but they gonna block their ass. They're gonna
Speaker 2: run hard and open up the screen, push the guy
Speaker 2: down the field. So when McCaffrey catches it or the
Speaker 2: tight end catches a screen, instead of getting ten twelve yards,
Speaker 2: he's getting twenty thirty yards, maybe even take it to
Speaker 2: the house. And so I think PJ. I think it
Speaker 2: was a great move. Nothing happens by an accident. I
Speaker 2: think PJ fits better. I think there are where they
Speaker 2: are because of PJ and Daniel Gafford the trade because
Speaker 2: it made them formidable on the defensive end. But hey,
Speaker 2: those are those things are it happened? You look back
Speaker 2: like damn missed out of the opportunity. Yeah, the Sons
Speaker 2: are hoping to pursue La Lebron James this offseason, which
Speaker 2: is why Bronnie James is very sis draft option at
Speaker 2: twenty two overall, are potentially luring him, being suppeared to
Speaker 2: believe that they could convince Lebron to join forces with
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, Devin Book, and Bradley Bill to create a
Speaker 2: historic superteam. Lebron would be sacrificing fifty million next season
Speaker 2: if he were legitimately considered joining the Sun on a
Speaker 2: veteran minimum.
Speaker 1: Veteran minimum.
Speaker 2: Oh joe, So he stands a chance to make about
Speaker 2: fifty eight million veteran minim?
Speaker 3: I is what six million? Eight million? Who get? Oh Joe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, listen, unless they unless they're paying forty plus
Speaker 1: under the goddamn table. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 3: Hell no.
Speaker 2: Hey, the last time some team somebody tried to have
Speaker 2: something under the table, it was the Mintals the Timberwolves,
Speaker 2: and they did that with Joe Smith and David Stern
Speaker 2: dropped the ham on him and they didn't recover. Took
Speaker 2: three first round drafts. He took the first round draft
Speaker 2: pick every year for like three years, and who the
Speaker 2: hell snitched on Joe Hey, I don't know who snitched
Speaker 2: on it, but David Stern found out. So that under
Speaker 2: the table stuff, right, leave it alone. I got no
Speaker 2: draft picks. You better not have no draft picks to
Speaker 2: twenty forty.
Speaker 1: Right, right, I mean, listen, it's cute. It's cute. At
Speaker 1: this point in Lebron's career, money still does play a factor.
Speaker 1: But playing for as and playing for veteran minimum as
Speaker 1: one of the greatest all time, I don't see it
Speaker 1: happening now. Is Lebron in position to sacrifice the money
Speaker 1: to get another ring. Yes, he's an official to do
Speaker 1: that because he makes so much off the court, but
Speaker 1: him taking a pay cut of that magnitude, it ain't happening.
Speaker 1: I don't see it happening. So again, I think everything's
Speaker 1: in limbo. All of us as analysts, all of us
Speaker 1: that enjoy the game of basketball, are all guessing on
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. I think wherever Bronnie Junior goes,
Speaker 1: that is where Lebron will go. You said it's not
Speaker 1: going to happen now, you said maybe two or three
Speaker 1: years down the line. I don't think it. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to be that long. I think it
Speaker 1: happens now. So him being a freezing right now is
Speaker 1: all contingent on where Bronnie James goes, Brownie Junior goes.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you I'm not I'm not not wrong.
Speaker 3: I know I'm not wrong, And it's worth noting.
Speaker 2: James Jones and Lebron they did play together in Miami
Speaker 2: the one Championship and when Lebron went back to Cleveland,
Speaker 2: JJ with with him, so they have remained friends throughout
Speaker 2: that process, so it's worth noting. But I agree with you,
Speaker 2: O you I don't see I don't see anybody taking
Speaker 2: a fifty million dollar haircut. Now you might, I might
Speaker 2: take a little bit off the side, but you ain't finished.
Speaker 2: You ain't finished, skin fad me. Now you ain't fit ball.
Speaker 1: No, So there is no more money left to go
Speaker 1: around because of Bill. Because of Bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because all those guys are on Mac contract, so
Speaker 2: everybody you signed. But see, that's why it's hard for
Speaker 2: you to fill out a roster. When you have three
Speaker 2: guys on Max Compact two guys. You could still get
Speaker 2: two quality players at mid level, but not the bad minimum.
Speaker 2: But when you put Lebron, Lebron's not I don't see
Speaker 2: Lebron playing on.
Speaker 1: The goddamn bench.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: They ain't gonna have no bench.
Speaker 2: No, Now you're gonna be having G League guys, guys
Speaker 2: on two way contract, right, I don't see it half
Speaker 2: of the night, Old Joe, I don't all right on, Joe,
Speaker 2: check this out. The Chiefs offense is about to get
Speaker 2: even more scary, if you can believe it. A team
Speaker 2: which already featured Mahon Boy, Travis kV Kelsey and Rashi
Speaker 2: Rice should be even better. In twenty twenty four, Brett
Speaker 2: Beach added the Chiefs and explosive core weapons, signing Hollywood
Speaker 2: Round and the guy that ran the fastest for the
Speaker 2: time in combine history Xavi, You're worthy.
Speaker 3: Mahomes has already noticed the difference in the OTA.
Speaker 2: When asked what the Chiefs have been working on, Mahomes
Speaker 2: that get back to the deep ball. I think we've
Speaker 2: done a great job of mastering the intermediate and short stuff,
Speaker 2: but we want to get back having a part of
Speaker 2: the offense as well. Coach is really pushing for us
Speaker 2: to push the ball down the field, and he got
Speaker 2: remember Hollywood Brown ran for two seven.
Speaker 1: He can go.
Speaker 3: Then you're worthy read for two one. He can go.
Speaker 2: Now listen, and you remember when they had when they had, Yeah.
Speaker 3: They could go bombs over back there.
Speaker 1: But you have to that Yeah, I mean yeah, if
Speaker 1: they can get back to that. But we have to
Speaker 1: remember the comparison. This is Tyreek Hill we're talking about.
Speaker 1: This is Tyreek Hill. I love Hollywood Brown, I love
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy, but they're not Tyreek Hill. Now we're just
Speaker 1: comparing the tool because of the speed, but there's so
Speaker 1: many other variables that go into play when it comes
Speaker 1: to playing the game and playing the game and receiver. Now,
Speaker 1: do you have all the tools and the potential to
Speaker 1: be like Tyreek? Yes you do, but you got to
Speaker 1: be able to do it on the field. Tyreek And
Speaker 1: he can run short routes, he can run in immediate routes,
Speaker 1: he can go deep, he can run the entire tree. Now,
Speaker 1: have these two pool that they can do the same
Speaker 1: thing consistently, and for my home to be saying that
Speaker 1: some of the saying some of the stuff that he's doing,
Speaker 1: probably so, probably so, because they do all the they
Speaker 1: do all the small stuff, So goddamn well, it's going
Speaker 1: to open up the offense because of the dynamic duel
Speaker 1: that they do have. Xavier Worthy was the real deal
Speaker 1: at Texas. He was the real deal. But will you
Speaker 1: be able to transition transition into the NFL and know
Speaker 1: how to use your speed, when to be deceptive, when
Speaker 1: to be running full till you know how to run
Speaker 1: your digs, how to bring your slangs right, to ring
Speaker 1: your curls, and be that threat like Tyreek is. There's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do with Tyreek nothing. There's no way
Speaker 1: to cover him, there's no defense to stop him. Can
Speaker 1: you be exactly like that? Outside of just running fast
Speaker 1: in a straight line, there's so much other stuff you
Speaker 1: have to be able to do. But I understand Wherehomes
Speaker 1: is coming from. They've mastered all the intermediate stuff and
Speaker 1: the short stuff. If those two, if Hollywood Brown and
Speaker 1: goddamn Xavier figured out and if they if they can
Speaker 1: figure out the short enemy of stuff and be able
Speaker 1: to take some of the short stuff and hit their
Speaker 1: head off the gold post Man, the deep stuff is
Speaker 1: gonna come like It'll be like taking candy from a baby.
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, I got think about I got trapped, I
Speaker 2: got Rashid Rice.
Speaker 3: They can do all that junks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got too because normally they've never had two
Speaker 2: guys that move like that that you can get down
Speaker 2: the field in the ru Yeah, so where you're gonna
Speaker 2: roll coveres to.
Speaker 3: Hey was released outside? Good luck, fafety, good luck.
Speaker 1: Now you you can't double everybody.
Speaker 2: The question is can Xavier word they play through contact?
Speaker 2: Because you know, if he's a small frame guy. He
Speaker 2: won sixty five, So what you try to sixty five?
Speaker 1: When I think about it, he's so twitty though, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's so twitchy. Now what DB's are gonna want to
Speaker 1: They're gonna be just as quick. They might not be
Speaker 1: as fast, but what they're gonna try to do, they're
Speaker 1: gonna try to stiphe you and throw all the time
Speaker 1: in by catching you at the line of scrimmage. Yes,
Speaker 1: but how good is Xavier worthy and man and man
Speaker 1: in bumper run?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 1: That's all it's gonna come down to. Once you show
Speaker 1: you can be man and man, Oh you might, you might,
Speaker 1: you might Curtains, it's curtains. The show is over. If
Speaker 1: he can be bumping run consistently like Tyreek Kent like Tyreek,
Speaker 1: kann A Kenan, Allen can or Davante Adams.
Speaker 2: But see the thing of but see those guys don't
Speaker 2: have We've never seen a guy like ty We've seen
Speaker 2: guys and I've been in the league with guys that real,
Speaker 2: with track stars, Sam Braddy, Uh he won the silver
Speaker 2: medal in the Olympics. He was on the four by
Speaker 2: one and the eighty eight Olympics and sold that won
Speaker 2: the uh that won. The goal was eighty four eighty Yeah,
Speaker 2: eighty four eighty four Olympics. All those guys. So I've
Speaker 2: seen twitchy guys. James Jett, yeah he was on the ninety.
Speaker 2: Even want to get James, but they weren't. He is
Speaker 2: a football Tyreek is a football player with track speed.
Speaker 2: I saw Whillie Gaul with it goll from Georgia, so
Speaker 2: I knew where you know, followed his career.
Speaker 3: He was twitted, but nothing like Tyreek.
Speaker 2: If you look at the way Tyreek is built, you
Speaker 2: can say, oh, you would never think he ran track.
Speaker 2: You suld have a football player because the way he's
Speaker 2: built from ways down. He's thirty as fuck. Excuse me, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's thirty. He ain he ain't got No, he ain't.
Speaker 3: He ain't narrow him. He's not thin limb.
Speaker 2: You know you look at Xavier Word that he looks
Speaker 2: like you could run because he's like a track guy.
Speaker 3: Those track guys are built like you.
Speaker 2: If you ever see those professional track guys, you're like, damn,
Speaker 2: that's why you run so fast.
Speaker 3: Dude. You're only a buck fifty. You a bunk sixty
Speaker 3: Tyreek one ninety five. Yeah, I'm talking about solid. He all.
Speaker 2: He's a he's he's bound tight. And if you look
Speaker 2: at him, you can like, yeah he explosive. You look
Speaker 2: at you look at Tyreek Hill. Anybody that's ever been
Speaker 2: around him close, you could look at him and tell.
Speaker 3: If you know athletes, you can tell he explosive. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I could just look at him on the first time
Speaker 2: I saw him. Oh he explosive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I like my well, mahomes got to use
Speaker 1: this shill man. It's almost unfair man, it's almost unfair.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Hollywood Brown, I know what he
Speaker 1: I know what he can do. Oh, he could run,
Speaker 1: he can get he can get off the jam. Xavier Worthy,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. But if young Bull, if young Bull,
Speaker 1: I don't know where he trained at during the off season,
Speaker 1: but all he needed to work on is man the
Speaker 1: man and getting off that goddamn ball.
Speaker 3: At least it's over. It's over.
Speaker 1: It's over for everybody, because that means, well, hell, now
Speaker 1: we got the double team him when you can't get
Speaker 1: Now you can't double double team Hollywood, Brown and Exavier.
Speaker 1: Then you got Kelsey gonna kill you. Underneath, you got
Speaker 1: Rashid Rice when he comes back from suspension. Oh hell
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's that's the thing though, O Joe.
Speaker 2: If I'm him, I'm just working on my release because
Speaker 2: you can run because they're back, gonna be looking for
Speaker 2: you to go deep. But you can't be a one
Speaker 2: trick prony. You gonna have to run to come back.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to run the d cut. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have to run the overs. You're gonna have to run
Speaker 2: the bang you hey, shallow crosses, you got to give.
Speaker 2: That's what made Tyreek because they used to bring Tyreek
Speaker 2: and Tyreek with just the gadget guy. Tyreek said, Lady,
Speaker 2: for this man, I want to play all the time.
Speaker 2: Just don't run me in here to run a trick
Speaker 2: or fleet flock or some stuff like that. Hey taught himself.
Speaker 2: Now Tyreek can run the route tree. And because he
Speaker 2: got so much feed man, I got to back up
Speaker 2: off him. Now he gonna run to stop on you.
Speaker 2: He can run the eye, he can run the dig,
Speaker 2: the end cut.
Speaker 3: He can run it all.
Speaker 2: Because I'm afraid of it. And if I don't quit jamming,
Speaker 2: if I if I'm not, if he's in Miami, you quit.
Speaker 3: You can't quit jamming because he can hear the snapcount.
Speaker 2: The only thing you can hope is he's on the
Speaker 2: road and he has to look at the ball to
Speaker 2: see the seat when it snape.
Speaker 3: And then you can quit. You can freeze it.
Speaker 2: Other than that rap. Okay, you missed. If you won't,
Speaker 2: he a guy, you ain't gotta miss by much. If
Speaker 2: you let him get even with you, it's over.
Speaker 1: It's a done deal.
Speaker 3: It's over.
Speaker 2: It's just go a just go ahead point he just
Speaker 2: go ahead and call the p A T tea MAT's
Speaker 2: just get your p A T hey p A.
Speaker 1: T I like it, though, I like it. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: the mahon can talk. He can talk like that. He
Speaker 1: can talk like that because he understands what he's had
Speaker 1: or what he has in xevity worthy in Hollywood, Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 1: So he can talk like that. Uh, but they ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be the goddamn Bangles.
Speaker 2: But go ahead, man, if somebody would have told you, O, yo,
Speaker 2: think about it. If I took if I took Chase
Speaker 2: from uh Cincinnati, you think.
Speaker 1: They can win the super Bowl without Jamar?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, because I mean you you need you need one
Speaker 1: dynamic superstar? Are we need one dynamic superstar? You need that?
Speaker 2: If I took see, if I took ce, if I
Speaker 2: took CD from the Cowboys, if I took Tyreek, if
Speaker 2: I took Tyreek from Miami.
Speaker 3: So what one player could I take?
Speaker 2: Like they took Tyree from my homeboy and he still
Speaker 2: won two chips and.
Speaker 3: Won an m v P. What one player? What player?
Speaker 3: What team? Could I take the one of the best
Speaker 3: two best receivers.
Speaker 1: And they and they still and they still a dynamic
Speaker 1: like that? How many other? How many other? How many
Speaker 1: other teams in the NFL are like Patrick Mahomes because.
Speaker 3: He's a Number one home Mahome.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, he's making up for the loss of Tyreek
Speaker 1: because he's just that great. That's the difference. He's just
Speaker 1: that great. Now we're gonna see what Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: really made of. I like Keith and Coleman. But now
Speaker 1: you lost. You lost Stefan Diggs, who is a one.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna see how good Josh Allen really is.
Speaker 3: He lost, he lost Steph game.
Speaker 1: So now you go see is a different now you
Speaker 1: always you are? You always brought up in that upper
Speaker 1: upper echelon of quarterbacks. Now have the time to shore.
Speaker 2: PFF rank Dak the top quarterback in the NFC. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dak was number one. Matthew Stafford was two, Jalen Hurst
Speaker 2: was three, Jordan Love was four, Rock Party five, Cousin six,
Speaker 2: Jared Golf seven, Kyler Murray a Geno Smith nine in,
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams ten.
Speaker 3: I like. I like that.
Speaker 2: No way in hell I'm putting Kirk cousin front of
Speaker 2: Jared Golf And I would if you asked me, Oh, Joe, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would take Jordan Love over Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: You would take Jordan Love over Dak Prescott. Okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: listen that you would too. I mean that that's that's
Speaker 1: a preference. But I like, I like Dak being number one.
Speaker 1: I don't like Geno Smith being at nine. I don't
Speaker 1: like Geno Smith being at nine, so I would probably
Speaker 1: move Kirk Cousins. Oh that's tough. Jered Goff belongs at
Speaker 1: I think, oh, oh that's tough. Why is Brock.
Speaker 2: Pretty at five? Where you're gonna put him mad? Because,
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not putting. If you tell me
Speaker 2: if if of all those guys, I would probably I
Speaker 2: would probably have Matthew Stafford one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So then if you have Matthew Stafford one, you
Speaker 1: definitely got to have that too, right.
Speaker 3: I put Jordan love to Okay, I put Brock party three.
Speaker 1: I me personally, yeah, this is based off what they
Speaker 1: did last season. I'm assuming or going into this season.
Speaker 2: He Hell, hey, I'm looking at the body of work. Hell,
Speaker 2: I don't watch you for four.
Speaker 1: And five seasons, right, Okay, I see you, I see you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh that's tough. I don't I don't like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like Gino at nine, and now I would
Speaker 1: take No, I'm just saying I don't like it. I
Speaker 1: don't like him at nine, Kirk Cousins coming off Achilles,
Speaker 1: I would I would have Jared Goff is switch switch cousins,
Speaker 1: switch cousins and golf and give me the Gino, give
Speaker 1: me Gino before Kirk Cousins. So yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that that's what I would do. That's what I would do. Gino.
Speaker 1: Gino had a very very very good year last year,
Speaker 1: very good year.
Speaker 3: It wasn't as good as the other year.
Speaker 2: I mean he was okay, yeah, but you gotta realize,
Speaker 2: I thought Gina would be better based on the weapons
Speaker 2: that he got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got he got DK he got.
Speaker 2: Locker, he got Jackson Smith and ye yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: damn yeah, he got a trip.
Speaker 3: He got to set a trip that's over there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's legit.
Speaker 1: He got some he got some good boys over there.
Speaker 2: You got I mean all these guys, all these guys
Speaker 2: got really good receiving court. If you look at you
Speaker 2: look at Dak with cd uh Cook, Michael Gallop is
Speaker 2: no longer there. You look at Matthew Stafford with a
Speaker 2: Pookah and Cooper Cup. You look at Jalen Hurts with
Speaker 2: Smith and a j look at Jordan Love.
Speaker 3: He got four five.
Speaker 2: Brock Purty, he got Brandon, he got killed over and
Speaker 2: he got de Boat.
Speaker 1: We don't know what's going on over there and and
Speaker 1: in sant fran Now.
Speaker 3: Right, well, I mean the issue is Brandon, not you.
Speaker 2: He wants a long term deal if I'm not mistaken
Speaker 2: to put the franchise tag on him. You look at
Speaker 2: Jared Golf, he got some weapons. Yeah, Jameson Williams, Alma
Speaker 2: Saint Brown. Uh, what's the other?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: But he got Kyler. They just signed. They just got
Speaker 2: a Marvin Harrison Jr. We mentioned Geno's, We mentioned Geno's triplet.
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams got dj he got Keenan Allen, he got
Speaker 2: Roman Dooms Uh, Kirk Cousins, Kyle Pitt Uh, he got
Speaker 2: Drake London London.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's the number two? Who is the
Speaker 1: number two receive over in Atlanta?
Speaker 2: Didn't they just sign Didn't they just signed the guy
Speaker 2: from a uh Chicago, Who's Chicago? Didn't I think they
Speaker 2: signed a receiver from Chicago. Didn't they sign a received
Speaker 2: from Chicago? I'm almost certainly did o Joe. I can't
Speaker 2: think of him at the top of my head.
Speaker 1: Not not Mooney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Moodey, I think they signed money that he over there?
Speaker 3: I think so?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Mooney nights now Mooney nights.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, sign him up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah yeah, all these with all.
Speaker 2: These guys, oh yo, these quarterbacks in the NFC, all
Speaker 2: of them got a receiving car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all of them.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And you know the thing is, the question is who
Speaker 2: has the best because Cook and the Coop and Cooper
Speaker 2: cup At got to take a back seat to nobody.
Speaker 1: Let me see the best statistically.
Speaker 3: Who got the best duo? Duo? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You like you like A J and Smitty. You like
Speaker 2: Poopa and Cooper. You like uh are You and Debo Devo.
Speaker 2: You like uh DK and locktow DK and Jackson Smith
Speaker 2: and Jigbook. You like Caleb Williams, you like him. You
Speaker 2: like DJ Moore and Keenan Allen. You like Jared Goff,
Speaker 2: you like jameson Wi my mind, Brown, that's.
Speaker 1: A good one, man.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you you like c D and Brandon Cook.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I, if I, if I had to pick,
Speaker 1: it is yes, absolutely, you know what I got. I
Speaker 1: gotta go with A J, A J. And Smitty. Okay, yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: and nothing nothing is wrong with any of the other
Speaker 1: receivers that are up there, but A J. And Smitty
Speaker 1: gonna give you what you want, boy, every week, week,
Speaker 1: every week, They're gonna give you what you want. I mean,
Speaker 1: so everybody else, Amn, Saint Brown is unbelievable, unbelievable. That
Speaker 1: trio that tree over there with Jordan Love Boy. Look,
Speaker 1: that's a four bout one track team over there. But
Speaker 1: something about Smitty and a j Brown, Bro, you can
Speaker 1: that up. And Pookah listen, they left Baker Mayfield, Oh,
Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Mike and Christ Godlin. Yeah, they left those
Speaker 1: guys off. Yeah, and you know you can't go wrong
Speaker 1: with goddamn Cooper Cup and uh Pooka and the cool either.
Speaker 3: Damn Pooka.
Speaker 2: You gotta realize Cooper Cup won the Troop of Crown
Speaker 2: just two years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had nineteen hundred yards.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Nineteen hundred yards like one hundred and forty, like one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five catches. And Pookah just said the
Speaker 2: rookie rookie record. At the Rookie record, we catching that yard.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine catching one hundred and forty something passes?
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I barely I barely got over ninety. So I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to picture myself catching one hundred and forty some passes.
Speaker 2: So that means he had to have one hundred and forty.
Speaker 2: That means he had somewhere but like one hundred and ninety.
Speaker 2: He had to have ninety targets.
Speaker 1: But they they throwing the ball like crazy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jesus, yes.
Speaker 2: But it's a very interesting list, a very interesting one.
Speaker 2: I mean, but man, George Love Man, that showed me
Speaker 2: some last year. O Joe, he showed me something then.
Speaker 1: All season long, especially when he got to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: And he gonna he gonna be better. Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: gonna be better.
Speaker 2: Jaylen hurts me to have a bounce back year. He
Speaker 2: didn't have a good year last year, Old Joe.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know if he
Speaker 3: was hurt because big old knee brace.
Speaker 1: His knee was bothering him. His knee was bothering. So
Speaker 1: he coming back. He's coming back healthy. He coming back healthy.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be all right, especially they won't have a
Speaker 1: they won't mess up like they did last year with
Speaker 1: starting ten and one and then the guy Kellen Moore.
Speaker 2: I think Kellen Moore, the oct in Kelling Moore in Philly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, former Cowboy OC Chargers. O see, he's now
Speaker 2: in Philly. Yeah, they're gonna let that thing. They're gonna
Speaker 2: let that thing fly. Now, they're gonna they're gonna let
Speaker 2: that thing fly. Kellen Moore is in there.
Speaker 1: But I think what the Eagles need to do. Their
Speaker 1: identity is on offense, but defensively. But maybe we got
Speaker 1: to come to the party and tackle please. We got
Speaker 1: we got to come to the party and tackle please
Speaker 1: bad that playoff game, Dog, that was embarrassing. Man, it
Speaker 1: looked like they perfec. We wasn't trying to tackle on purpose.
Speaker 1: It isn't like they was doing it on purpose.
Speaker 3: They've been doing it all year.
Speaker 2: Oh and you know you still got the Minnesota because
Speaker 2: you know they are rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But you know, and Justin Jefferson. What's the tight end name?
Speaker 1: They got a nice tight end too though. Hockinson Hockinson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: t J Hockinson. Well, you know, uh uh, Detroit got
Speaker 1: a tight end Laporter Laporta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he nice from towards towards a cl So it's
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see. Does he start the season
Speaker 2: on the pup lift and work his way back into it,
Speaker 2: or is he going to be good to go at
Speaker 2: the start of camp, because I think he toards me.
Speaker 3: I think he tours me up in the in the
Speaker 3: playoff game.
Speaker 1: Hate see people get injured.
Speaker 2: Man, Uh, they say, would you rather have Dak or Love?
Speaker 2: Dak got twenty nine percent of Love the Vote The
Speaker 2: Love the Vote, George Love got seventy one percent. Hey,
Speaker 2: oh Joe, you got it be here pressure what he
Speaker 2: did on the road in Dallas. And he made one
Speaker 2: mistake in the forty nine Ers game that ended up
Speaker 2: you know, rolling run way threw back across his body
Speaker 2: in Greenlaw.
Speaker 1: Pick picked it up.
Speaker 3: But he was playing great that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, he was, He was, Oh Joe.
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Speaker 3: O Joe Yes.
Speaker 2: Zach Or in his first year as defensive coordinator for
Speaker 2: the Ravens and safety Kyle Hamilton is one of going
Speaker 2: to one of the players that he relies on to
Speaker 2: lead the unit. Hamilton was the first round pick in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and he turned into its its stellar
Speaker 2: second season. He had eighty one tackles, four interceptions, three sacks,
Speaker 2: thirteen pass defense forced fumble on his way to being
Speaker 2: named first team All Pro. Or said, Kyle Hamilton is
Speaker 2: a ultimate chess seat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the top players in the league.
Speaker 2: My goal for him is the one day with defensive
Speaker 2: Player of the Year well joined Ed Reed, Tail Suggs
Speaker 2: and Ray Lewis who did it twice here one of
Speaker 2: the league. I think he has that kind of talent.
Speaker 2: He has that type of work ethic and he has
Speaker 2: and he's that type of person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. Hell. I've watched him. When I think
Speaker 1: of Kyle Hamilton, even though he's had a short career,
Speaker 1: you can tell he is the centerpiece for that defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can tell.
Speaker 1: You know, every week he jumps out on film. Every
Speaker 1: week he jumps out on film. He makes to play
Speaker 1: every time.
Speaker 3: You know what the Ravens.
Speaker 2: You remember, well after after that two thousand team, it
Speaker 2: was Ed and Ray you got ro Kwan Smith got Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that's what that's what you need.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be hard show for a defensive back
Speaker 2: to win the MV Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: You run, you gotta be spectacular, you gotta be spectacled.
Speaker 1: I'm about picking balls off and go for safety.
Speaker 3: It's only been a handful of safeties to win that
Speaker 3: award you got. I think like Ed Ed Reid wont it,
Speaker 3: Troy w Ronnie won it, Kenny Easley won.
Speaker 2: I think Kenny wont it, like eighty five Ronnie won
Speaker 2: in the eighties. I can only think of like four
Speaker 2: off the top of my head. Now, a few like
Speaker 2: if you have a season like Gilmore. You remember Gilmore held?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Did uh? Hello?
Speaker 2: Did what you come with? Defensive player? I don't think
Speaker 2: he ever won res. I don't thinks one defensive player you.
Speaker 1: Didn't way two thousand and nine? He had, he had
Speaker 1: to win it two thousand and nine. If he didn't,
Speaker 1: who did. If if it was a year for Reeves
Speaker 1: to win Defensive Player of the Year, it would have
Speaker 1: been that two thousand and nine season. I don't think
Speaker 1: we were ever ever. You could play Madden for a season,
Speaker 1: You'll never be able to have a season like Reavers
Speaker 1: had that two thousand and nine season. Unbelievable. So I'm
Speaker 1: not sure who won Defensive.
Speaker 3: Player of the Year. Yeah, Bob, Bob Sanders won. Bob
Speaker 3: remember Bob.
Speaker 1: Well, Bob, what what you're talking about? Bob had no
Speaker 1: no regulation for his body at all. He didn't care
Speaker 1: what coming downhill. Listen, Bob Sanders don't care nothing about
Speaker 1: his body, remember I do?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: John Lynch hit like that too. You know, you know
Speaker 1: you got safeties. They come up to hit you and
Speaker 1: they gather you know how you gather yourself then you
Speaker 1: make contact right. Oh no, they running right through you, baby,
Speaker 1: They run, They running right through you. Huh.
Speaker 2: Charles Woodson won it on ne what Yeah, so he
Speaker 2: had he had, he had that that greater.
Speaker 3: A years never won, never won.
Speaker 1: So Charles Muster had a good year of that year.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I know it wasn't anything like
Speaker 1: what Reavers did, but I mean, listen, Charles Woodson is
Speaker 1: always deserving. So you really really can't take anything with.
Speaker 2: Those guys, I mean, those those But but now with
Speaker 2: the age of the past, rusher guy getting seventeen eighteen
Speaker 2: twenty five. Yeah, uh, So here are the last ten
Speaker 2: winners you got. Miles Garrett, Nick Bosa, TJ Watt, Aaron Donald,
Speaker 2: still Thought, Dill Gilmore, Aaron Donald, Aaron Donald, Khalil Matt,
Speaker 2: J J.
Speaker 3: Watt, J J.
Speaker 2: Watt, Luke Keickley, JJ Watt, Terrell Suggs, Troy Polamlow, Charles Woodson,
Speaker 2: James Harrison, Brot Bob Sanders, Jason Tatum, Brian Urlacker, Jason Taylor,
Speaker 2: excuse me, Tatum, Jason Taylor, Brian Laer, Ed Reed, ray Lewis,
Speaker 2: Deck Brooks, and Michael Strahan.
Speaker 3: Ray Lewis won in two thousand.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, Kyle Hamilton, if they use him the
Speaker 1: right way and put him in play in places to
Speaker 1: make plays he can if he if he's.
Speaker 3: A great job of moving around Joe, if he's.
Speaker 1: What we think he is like in that same type
Speaker 1: of hybrid safety, come down in the box, being able
Speaker 1: to cover tight ends.
Speaker 2: He win that award. Now he's more of a Troy Polamalow.
Speaker 2: They line him up at a different place. You see,
Speaker 2: he got sacked total, he got past defender, he got
Speaker 2: batted balls, he got sax right ed. You put ed
Speaker 2: in center field and he he King Griffyth j he
Speaker 2: gonna track it down every time you know you're gonna
Speaker 2: track it down.
Speaker 1: It was so funny. Ed is one of the few safeties.
Speaker 1: You know how normally you read your keys when the
Speaker 1: ball snapped your backpedal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I swear for god.
Speaker 1: We played ad sometimes he had start back so far
Speaker 1: like damn punk return and come forward. It was weird.
Speaker 1: It was weird. Plamalo. When you when you watch defense,
Speaker 1: when you watch film, you see cover four, cover three two,
Speaker 1: man fifty five, cover three, whatever it may be. They
Speaker 1: would always be in a place they're not supposed to be,
Speaker 1: and then when the ball supposed to be and then
Speaker 1: go where they're supposed to be What the hell they doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, how you in the A gap and
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be in the you're supposed to be
Speaker 2: in the hole and he just take our running right
Speaker 2: Yeah he end up in the hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or he ended up in the two high.
Speaker 1: I'm like, WRO Listen, there are only so many There
Speaker 1: are only so many safeties that are that special, that
Speaker 1: that special where they can be completely out of position
Speaker 1: but make sure they get where they need to be
Speaker 1: when the ball snaps and never miss a beat them. Dude,
Speaker 1: special man about having rang like having like ranged sideline,
Speaker 1: the sideline, the volume