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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a thirty year old Catholic

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Speaker 1: to Italy with the girl to marry her against her parents' wishes.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, even though cops haven't been able

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Speaker 1: to stop him, the Pope weighs in, I'm Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here

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Speaker 1: at Crime Stories and on series x SEM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: As you will recall, Alex Crowe, the thirty year old priest,

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Speaker 1: fled the country last summer for Italy with a teen

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Speaker 1: girl when the pairs romance was revealed. Cops travel all

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Speaker 1: the way from Mobile, Alabama to Italy to try to

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Speaker 1: bring the girl home. Did at work, but in the

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Speaker 1: last hours, Pope Francis at the Vatican has stripped the

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Speaker 1: thirty year old priest of his priestly duties. Can the Pope.

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Speaker 2: Convince him he's wrong?

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Speaker 1: As you will recall, the priest met his teen now

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Speaker 1: wife when she was in high school at mcgiltoo and

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Speaker 1: High in Mobile, Alabama, where he frequently visited to give

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Speaker 1: guest lectures to the students. Now, how did that turn

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Speaker 1: into Valentine's love? Letters, and how did that turn into

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Speaker 1: basically a kidnap of a teen girl taking her across

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Speaker 1: the ocean to Italy. Well, this is how it all

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Speaker 1: went down. Described as a so called heart throb, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean?

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Speaker 2: A heart throb?

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Speaker 1: Now, I've heard that phrase in the past, as it

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Speaker 1: has referred to movie stars and matinee idols, but I've

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Speaker 1: never heard it applied to a priest. I don't think

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Speaker 1: of a priest as a heart braub.

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Speaker 2: Now. I'm just a peace loving Methodist.

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Speaker 1: But I look at our preachers, our lady preachers, our

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Speaker 1: or sister or brother. I don't really think of them

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Speaker 1: as a heart throb. Now that's a whole psychopathy in itself.

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Speaker 1: But let's just get down to this case, and let's

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Speaker 1: start with our friends in WPMI listen.

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Speaker 3: Crowe short stint with the Catholic Church has gone from

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Speaker 3: interesting to possibly criminal. According to the District Attorney's office,

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Speaker 3: the priest and a recent female graduate of Mobile's Miguiltulan

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Speaker 3: In a bombshell statement, Archbishop Rody left no one guessing

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Speaker 3: Alex Crowe abandoned his assignment in the archdiocese, says Rody,

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Speaker 3: his behavior is totally I'm becoming of a priest.

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Speaker 1: I'm becoming I may have another word for it, but

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Speaker 1: I've got to find out more facts. Joining me in

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Speaker 1: All Star panel, But first I'm going to go to

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamrick, reporter for the lan Yap News Mobile Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Kyle, thank you for being with us. Now listen.

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Speaker 1: I know the girl has just turned eighteen, but from

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Speaker 1: what I can understand, his so called grooming of her

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Speaker 1: right now? And is the girl with him?

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Speaker 4: From what I understand from what sources have told me,

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Speaker 2: In Italy, Oh, Dear Lord in Heaven.

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Speaker 4: Not exactly sure sure where, but that is where they

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Speaker 4: are now. And sources have also told me that they

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Speaker 4: think this relationship might have started before she graduated hot

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Speaker 2: And I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen now to

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Speaker 5: Investigators found a love letter the priest wrote the teen

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Speaker 5: on Valentine's Day this year while she was still a

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Speaker 6: That really changed our perspective on how we're looking at

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Speaker 5: Mobile County Sheriff Paul Birch is talking about a love

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Speaker 5: letter between defroct priest Alex Crowe and a former mcguiltool

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Speaker 6: Clearly there was some kind of relationship other than a

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Speaker 1: Let me understand this a love letter written by the

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Speaker 2: All right, let's just get right down to it.

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Speaker 1: Anna Sonoda joining me, Child grooming expert, clinical social worker,

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Speaker 1: author of Duck Duck Groom Understanding how a child becomes

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Speaker 1: a target and you can find her at Annasanoda dot com. Anna, listen,

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Speaker 1: It's bad enough when an adult grooms a child for

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Speaker 2: Grooms the child.

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Speaker 1: It's bad enough when a school teacher or a principal

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Speaker 1: doing writing a love letter on Valentine's Day to a

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Speaker 2: I tell you what you know I have, Steve.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen those cartoons when the character gets

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Speaker 1: mad and esteem comes out of their ears. That's how

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Speaker 1: I feel right now because I'm thinking about my children, John,

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Speaker 1: David and Lucy. If I got a hold of a

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Speaker 1: they're in a high school. Oh, helno, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: This is an sample of how sexual predators when their

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Speaker 7: groom and kids are going to do one of two things.

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Speaker 7: They're either going to relate or they're going to elevate.

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Speaker 7: So when I say relate, I mean they're going to act.

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Speaker 7: They're going to believe that they're a peer of that child,

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Speaker 7: treat that kid like they're more mature, possibly like an

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Speaker 7: equal adult. And in this case, the love letter is

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Speaker 7: certainly an example of him trying to relate as a

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Speaker 1: Her, just trying to take this all in. You know,

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a look at him. He's

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Speaker 1: been called a so called heart throb. Heart throb joining

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Speaker 1: us right now is a special guest, Sheriff Paul Birch,

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Speaker 1: the Mobile, Alabama Sheriff. I want to thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Sheriff for being with us. Your neck of the woods

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Speaker 1: is especially dear to me. My father was from hey Coda, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: So thank you s first for being with us. What

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Speaker 1: in the hey is going on? How does a Catholic

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Speaker 1: This girl is only about one year older than the twins,

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Speaker 1: aren't right now? Can you even imagine, of all people,

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Speaker 6: It's, you know, a somewhat of a bizarre situation. And

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Speaker 6: what we've learned is that, you know, she's not the

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, my head is spinning like in

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Speaker 1: the Exorcist. I guess that's appropriate for right now. So

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Speaker 1: this is not the love of his life that he

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Speaker 6: Well, this is the latest. You know, there was a

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Speaker 6: And she's trying to get her to come on board,

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Speaker 6: In love this particular one does. Yes, And we referred

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Speaker 1: Now you're talking about the current girl in Italy, we're

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Speaker 6: She was actually the two are best friends and went

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Speaker 2: I'm so mad. I could she and nail In have

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Speaker 2: right now? Sheriff.

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Speaker 1: Now, Sheriff, let me understand something. The so called love

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Speaker 6: We believe it is. I will say the letter, and

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Speaker 6: The letter. Basically, he's expressing his feelings for the eighteen

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Speaker 2: Like what we do know.

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Speaker 6: That there was a school trip and allegedly she was

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Speaker 6: and we're trying to nail that down and get specifics

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Speaker 1: You know what, you just hit me with a bombshell

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Speaker 1: one thirty am in the morning, sheriff. Again, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece in the last days, an

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Speaker 1: the Pope. Although the Mobile County sheriffs tried their best,

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Speaker 1: learning now, this priest seemingly married the teen girl according

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Speaker 1: last hours, however, the Pope weighs in, now, how did

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Speaker 1: the whole thing happen? Greg Algrin is with me, international

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Speaker 1: attorney at the USMX Law Group. You know, Greg, the people,

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Speaker 1: Scheme unless there's something in those letters or other letters

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Speaker 1: to John Delatory, licensed psychologist and mediator who specializes in

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Speaker 1: forensic psychology. You can find them at resolution fcs dot

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Speaker 1: com Doctor Delatory listen. I've prosecuted so many statutory rate

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Speaker 1: cases where the victim is a teen girl underage who

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Speaker 1: by all other account other analysis would have quote consented,

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Speaker 1: But when you hear a quote love letter, as Sheriff

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Speaker 6: I want to clarify. In Alabama, the legal age of

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Speaker 1: So they're in a fiduciary position like a counselor a teacher,

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Speaker 2: Got it, Got it okay.

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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be surprised if some of these letters

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Speaker 2: Back to you. Dotter John Delatory, licensed psychologist.

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Speaker 1: All the flowery language this priest may have written in

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Speaker 2: But they were right, they were right, and I was wrong.

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Speaker 3: They're afraid something is going to happen to their daughter.

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Speaker 6: I believe there was some grooming that's gone on, and

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Speaker 3: Adding to the concern is the acknowledgment by Sheriff Birch

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Speaker 1: Okay, let that sink in. Why do you have to

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Speaker 1: According to the archdiocese, quote, while Crowe's behavior has been scandalous,

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Speaker 2: What more do we know?

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Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Reverend doctor Bob Larson,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being with us. What exactly

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Speaker 9: Demonology is the study of Satan and evil and demas

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Speaker 1: Twisted what exactly takes place during an exorcism?

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Speaker 10: He can't just go do that on his own.

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Speaker 9: Now, a minor ansiorcism, of which baptism is included in

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Speaker 1: I just want to point out that you said he's

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Speaker 2: To perform exorcisms.

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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure he's gone rogue and he's doing

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Speaker 6: He's actually been you know, I guess man from or

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Speaker 6: Hello, my name is Alex Crowe.

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Speaker 12: I'm christianer of Saint Ignatius Pearish. I am going to

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Speaker 13: Growing up in what he calls a weird home with

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Speaker 13: that when he stepped into a church he felt as

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Speaker 13: if he would pass out. Crow said a priest performed

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Speaker 13: what he described as a minor exorcism or a deliverance

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Speaker 13: prayer on him. Alex Crowe said he felt immediately better

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Speaker 13: and that started a long process with quote me needing

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Speaker 13: deliverance from a priest unquote.

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Speaker 1: So this is a guy that has had an exorcism

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Speaker 1: done on himself, a mild exorcism. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: the various stages of exorcism are. We don't have exorcism

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Speaker 1: in the Methodist church, and I am by no means

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Speaker 1: poo pooing it. I don't know the difference between a

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Speaker 1: mild exorcism and a more severe exorcism. We heard doctor

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Speaker 1: Reverend Bob Larson described the most serious types of exorcisms,

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Speaker 1: the type you see on movies and on TV.

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Speaker 2: But that all aside.

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Speaker 1: I'm a trial lawyer, not a priest and certainly not

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Speaker 1: an expert in Catholicism. But I know this, Sheriff Paul Birch.

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Speaker 1: Somebody sending love letters to my teen girl. There's going

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Speaker 1: to be hell to pay much less when he takes

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Speaker 1: off to Italy with her.

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Speaker 6: I agree, you know. And one thing you brought up

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Speaker 6: that we haven't really discussed his Crow's dad to a

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Speaker 6: local attorney, so that that, you know, obviously throws a

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Speaker 6: little bit of a hindrance.

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Speaker 2: Wait, who is a local attorney?

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Speaker 6: Alice Crow's dad is a local attorney?

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Speaker 1: What does he have to say about his son taking

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Speaker 1: a girl off to Italy to perform exorcisms? Like they

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Speaker 1: don't have priests to perform exorcisms in Italy?

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Speaker 6: Well, he hasn't said anything. And you know again, I

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Speaker 6: you know, I'm sure he's in an odd position too,

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Speaker 6: as his son.

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Speaker 1: I guess he is here, if you can say that again,

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Speaker 1: URV Brant help me out here, God, IRV Brant. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to IRV because I need an expert in extradition.

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Speaker 2: And foreign affairs.

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Speaker 1: IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector, US Marshall Service, International Investigations, Chief Inspector, DOJ,

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Speaker 1: Office of International affairs. He's an author of solo shot

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Speaker 1: Curse of the Blue Stone and Flying Solo Top of

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Speaker 1: the World, both on Amazon IRV number one. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: too extra, dine. I put the cart before the horse

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Speaker 1: right there, because he hasn't been charged with the crime yet.

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Speaker 2: But what can you tell me about this situation? I

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Speaker 2: understand the two have been.

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Speaker 1: Found in Italy and quote they're in an airbnb with

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Speaker 1: separate bedrooms.

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Speaker 2: Are you serious?

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Speaker 1: Like separate bedrooms means anything? But that said, what's your.

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Speaker 10: Take on this or Brant Booth's tricky nancy? The Europeans

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Speaker 10: view crimes inappropriate behavior with minors quite differently.

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean like Ryman Polanski.

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Speaker 10: That's where I was going with this. Yes, And as

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Speaker 10: ser Birch was talking about in his investigation, that this

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Speaker 10: may lead, you know, to inappropriate behavior with someone in

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Speaker 10: a position of authority, and that it's possible that warrant

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Speaker 10: may be issued, it's highly unlikely that it could be

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Speaker 10: extradited from any European country, and particularly Italy, where the

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Speaker 10: age of consent is fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, white, white, white right IRV.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I thought I knew you thought I knew what

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Speaker 1: you were going to say, I do know me, but

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Speaker 1: I did not know the age of consent in Italy

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Speaker 1: is fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure what Sidney Jackie? Google that?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 1: See right, yes, well apparently Google agrees with you. The

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Speaker 1: age of consent is fourteen.

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Speaker 10: Now unless it's involved with the like as Sheriff Birch

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Speaker 10: was saying where he said, there's you know, no age

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Speaker 10: restriction that someone with a position of authority in Italy.

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Speaker 10: If it's with a person you know, in position of authority,

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Speaker 10: a teacher, a priest, a police officer, whatever, it would

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Speaker 10: be sixteen. The age of consent is sixteen. So there

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Speaker 10: lies the dilemma, what do you charge him with?

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Speaker 2: Italy is not going to help us, even if we

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Speaker 2: did have a formal charge.

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Speaker 1: If they want extradite Roman Polanski who drugged a girl

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Speaker 1: and had sex with her, a little girl in hot tub,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to extradite a priest of all places,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Vatican Central there there it is, okay, Sheriff

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Speaker 1: Paul Birch, I can't. I don't even how to formulate

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Speaker 1: the first question here? How far back do the grimming

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Speaker 1: letters go? If the girl just turned eighteen, how far

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Speaker 1: back do the letters of grooming go.

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Speaker 6: The letter that we've seen goes back to around Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 6: But we do know that you know they've known each

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Speaker 6: other for at least two years. You know, one question

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Speaker 6: I have, you know with the previous guest, is you

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Speaker 6: know they're only owned there on a passport, so which

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Speaker 6: they can only be there for ninety days.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering you're smart, sheriff.

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Speaker 10: S I know what you're I know what you're getting at.

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Speaker 10: But with the EU Americans or visa exempt, but you

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Speaker 10: are correct they could only stay for ninety days.

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Speaker 2: Ae European Union.

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Speaker 1: You're saying that the European Union exempts US citizens from

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Speaker 1: passport violations.

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Speaker 10: No, they're visa exempt. But the sheriff is right that

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Speaker 10: they can only stay in the country for ninety days.

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Speaker 10: But that person doesn't have to return to the US

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Speaker 10: to start the ninety days over. If you're in Italy

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Speaker 10: and you can only be in it ninety days, you

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Speaker 10: can go to Germany for one day, then return to

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Speaker 10: Italy and stay for another ninety days.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Now, some people claim that

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Speaker 1: this young priest is handsome. I don't see it. We

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Speaker 1: also know that this young priest Crow claims to have

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Speaker 1: been exercised of demons when he was a child. We

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Speaker 1: have also learned that the disgraced priest somehow has married

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Speaker 1: the teen girl. How did this happen? Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at crimeonline dot com and Fox ten.

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Speaker 13: After graduating from Mcgiltoolan Catholic school in Mobile, Alabama, Alex

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Speaker 13: Crow to spring Hill College for a year before dropping

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Speaker 13: out to form a band playing a mix of blues,

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Speaker 13: rock and pop covers. Alex Crow and the Ultra Boys

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Speaker 13: played several venues in the Mobile, Alabama area, and even

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Speaker 13: did a homecoming dance at mcgil Tulan, according to ale

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Speaker 13: dot com. After working the local scene with limited success,

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Speaker 13: Crowe says he was called into the priesthood, so he

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Speaker 13: attended Saint Joseph Catholic College before getting his Bachelor of

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Speaker 13: Sacred Theology from Sansomo and Rome. He earned his Master

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Speaker 13: of Divinity degree from Saint Minard Seminary in School of

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Speaker 13: Theology in Indiana. But for much of his adult life,

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Speaker 13: Alex Crow spent his time studying demonology and exorcism, becoming

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Speaker 13: an expert on the topic and sharing his knowledge on

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Speaker 13: video podcast and is an invited lecturer to students.

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Speaker 1: Let me just drink that in for a moment. For

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Speaker 1: much of his adult life he spends time studying demonology

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Speaker 1: and exorcism. And now he has a teen girl with

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Speaker 1: him in Italy against the will of her parents.

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Speaker 2: But that's not all. Take listen now, friends at Fox ten.

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Speaker 14: The Mobile County Sheriff's office confirming today that the priest

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Speaker 14: and woman he left the country with have been located

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Speaker 14: in Italy. The archdiocese says Alex Crowe abandoned his assignment

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Speaker 14: at the Corpus Christi Catholic Church, calling his behavior quote

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Speaker 14: totally unbecoming of a priest. Meanwhile, Mobile County Sheriff Paul

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Speaker 14: Birch says, there is no doubt that this story is

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Speaker 14: a bizarre case, but at this time there's nothing criminal going.

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Speaker 1: On with me especial guest Sheriff Paul Birch from Mobile,

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Speaker 1: Alabama Sheriff, I understand the two are in Italy with

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Speaker 1: no plans to return home, despite the teen girl's parents

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Speaker 1: flying to Italy begging her to come home. I also

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Speaker 1: understand that this priest, a so called heart throb. Alex

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Speaker 1: Crowe says he went to Italy to perform an exorcism

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Speaker 1: on this teen girl. He had to go to Italy

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Speaker 1: to perform an exorcism, sheriff, Well, that may have been

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Speaker 1: this stated.

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Speaker 6: He talked about performing exorcisms, but not necessarily own her,

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Speaker 6: but he wanted her to travel with him. And I

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Speaker 6: actually spoke to her several times a week before last,

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Speaker 6: pleaded with her to come home and tried to you know,

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Speaker 6: so let's let's if he loves you so much, come

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Speaker 6: back and do it right, and just she wouldn't hear

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Speaker 6: anything of it. You know. Our parents were basically asked

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Speaker 6: to leave he because he would never let her talk

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Speaker 6: to them alone, you know. And I was actually sending

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Speaker 6: investigators to try to talk to her, and the next

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Speaker 6: day was told if our guys were to land in

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Speaker 6: Italy to interview anybody, they'd be arrested by the Italian officials.

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Speaker 6: So we had to back off of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, let me understand what you just said.

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Speaker 1: Italian officials say, if you touch down to interview her

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Speaker 1: or the priest, they'll arrest you.

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Speaker 6: They were going to arrest my detective prosecute if we

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Speaker 6: would have succeeded in going over there. So We contacted

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Speaker 6: our local FBI office who has helped facilitate with the

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Speaker 6: Italian officials who.

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Speaker 2: Believe the age of consent is fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so guys, I want you to take a list

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Speaker 1: an hour cut nineteen our friends at Fox ten Mobile.

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Speaker 6: My understanding through my investigators that when the family met

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Speaker 6: up with them, they were in separate bedrooms in an

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Speaker 6: airbnb type situation, and the agen yo is adamant that

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Speaker 6: there's no intimate relationship.

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Speaker 2: Actually just kind of a bizarre story.

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Speaker 14: Sheriff Birt says, Crow left a letter with the archdiocese

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Speaker 14: sating he would never return to America.

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Speaker 2: Is he going to keep this girl with him the

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Speaker 2: whole time?

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamrick with me, investigative reporter for lan Yap News

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Speaker 1: in Mobile. Kyle, is that true that when visitors from

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Speaker 1: the US got there, they are in an airbnb with

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Speaker 1: separate bedrooms, and that's what they want everyone to believe.

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Speaker 4: That's what law enforcement sources told me was a family

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Speaker 4: member went to Italy to see them and check on them,

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Speaker 4: and they found them in an Airbnb.

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Speaker 6: Kind of home with two separate bedrooms.

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Speaker 4: And that was the first story for a few days,

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Speaker 4: was that there was nothing funny going on, no romantic connection,

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Speaker 4: and now they are there. The young woman is saying

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Speaker 4: that she's in love and does not want to leave it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see Anosinoda with Me child grooming expert and author

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Speaker 1: of Duck Duck Groom understanding how a child becomes a target.

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Speaker 1: That's what's so dangerous right here is that the grooming began.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's been taking confessions at her location

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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one, when she was sixteen. The grooming,

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Speaker 2: I believe began before she was eighteen. Now she is

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Speaker 2: entrenched in the.

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Speaker 1: Idea that she is in love with a heart throb

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Speaker 1: priest obsessed with demonology, and she's completely under his control

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Speaker 1: in another country, a country that will not help the US, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: The other thing that's come out in several of your

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Speaker 7: panel members is that this guy is a serial predator.

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Speaker 7: When we're looking at child sex abuse predators, seventy percent

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Speaker 7: of them have one to nine victims and twenty percent

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Speaker 7: have ten to forty victims. So you've already seen an

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Speaker 7: example that this guy was on someone's radar inmobile and

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Speaker 7: the risk factors that are inherent in people who work

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Speaker 7: in church systems are that they are actually part of

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Speaker 7: a higher power, often called from God himself, in order

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Speaker 7: to do their job, and there's built in obedience and deference,

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Speaker 7: and we ask people within religious environments to be vulnerable

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Speaker 7: and in those same ways, this predator was perfectly positioned

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Speaker 7: with young obedient girls to implement a trap in order

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Speaker 7: to gain access and then isolate her. The fact that

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Speaker 7: we're talking about how many bedrooms are in Airbnb makes

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Speaker 7: me want to explode. Why does he need to isolate her?

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Speaker 7: It's only because he has her in a relationship that

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Speaker 7: is predatory and she is powerless.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff, didn't I hear you say that he would not

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Speaker 1: allow her to speak to anyone without him being there.

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Speaker 6: Correct, even with her parents, he was right there the

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Speaker 6: entire time, because I was on the phone with them

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Speaker 6: and her through different parts of the day a week

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Speaker 6: or so ago, and just you know, you could hear

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Speaker 6: him interject. And one advantage he has too is I

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Speaker 6: don't know how fluent he is, but you know he

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Speaker 6: speaks Italian to some degree, and when official did show

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Speaker 6: it up, you know, he would speak to them in

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Speaker 6: Italians and no one else knew what was going on

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Speaker 6: or what was being said, but most of the family

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Speaker 6: or the mother and father were asked to leave after

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Speaker 6: being there for a few days.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff, here's the harsh truth. She's eighteen now. So unless

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Speaker 1: you can prove grooming or not just inappropriate activity, criminal wrongdoing,

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Speaker 1: there's no hope.

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Speaker 2: Of getting him back. And even if you can.

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Speaker 1: Prove it, they're in Italy, who doesn't give a flying

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Speaker 1: fig about the US law.

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Speaker 6: I real hope is to get her back. I don't

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Speaker 6: care if he wants to live as a fugitive for

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Speaker 6: the rest of his life. I think we'll get to

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Speaker 6: where we can get some fellow new war on him,

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Speaker 6: hopefully this week. You know, if he wants to live

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Speaker 6: as a future rest of his life, that that's his business.

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Speaker 6: We want to get her back is the ultimate goal.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a case where you believe there's

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Speaker 1: no way you can get justice, not in this degree.

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Speaker 6: You know, when I was told that by you know,

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Speaker 6: through this, through email, the Italian officials, you know, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 6: there goes the brotherhood of law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know you should become familiar with us

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Speaker 1: saying that we have in our home. It's a highly

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Speaker 1: technical legal phrase, screw you and the horse you rode

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Speaker 1: in on. I believe it's how I would put it

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Speaker 1: to the Italian authorities on this one. But until she

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Speaker 1: wants to come home, I don't think you've got a case.

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Speaker 1: Unless you can prove through this other friend, the friend girl,

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Speaker 1: or the letters or some other witness that some type.

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Speaker 2: Of wrongdoing more wrongdoing occurred, you're screwed, Sheriff.

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Speaker 6: I will say the Italian officials were helpful in one way.

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Speaker 6: When the parents were there. There was an iPad that

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Speaker 6: both her, the girl and crow really wanted to keep,

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Speaker 6: but the parents were able to convince them that they

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Speaker 6: paid for it, it belonged to them. So the authorities

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Speaker 6: did give the parents the laptop or the iPad, and

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Speaker 6: it's actually at our local leftial office trying to gain

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Speaker 6: access to it. They really did not want that to

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Speaker 6: leave their hands. So I'm hoping there's something in there

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Speaker 6: that will strengthen the case and get us over the

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Speaker 6: hill on being able to press sign charges on it.

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Speaker 1: I am hoping that between texts, emails, love letters, and

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Speaker 1: that iPad that the parents miraculously got their mets on,

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Speaker 1: you may be able to prove the case and get

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Speaker 1: this girl home.

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Speaker 2: I feel that she's been brainwashed. What more do we know?

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Speaker 15: Alex Crowe and the teen returned to the US before Christmas.

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Speaker 15: A marriage certificate was file in Alabama. The district attorney,

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Speaker 15: Keith Blackwood, said he met with the young woman and

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Speaker 15: prosecutors and she declined to answer any questions. The pair

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Speaker 15: were in Italy for approximately four months. Crowe has now

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Speaker 15: been formally removed as a member of the clergy by

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Speaker 15: the Vatican.

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Speaker 1: This defraught clergy member, initially ordained in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: actually attended Saint Anselmo in Rome, Italy, and got a

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Speaker 1: Bachelor of Sacred Theology. He also studied demons and exorcisms.

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Speaker 1: I will say this is the first time in any

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Speaker 1: criminal investigation I have had the pope way in Now.

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Speaker 1: I am just a lowly Methodist, but there are several

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Speaker 1: things I really like about this pope. One is he

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Speaker 1: knows how to tango. That said, we wait as just

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Speaker 1: as un fALS.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, friend,