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Speaker 1: Case Smith and Tyler Jones.
Speaker 2: This is rutfresh Radio and I'm your host Tyler Jones.
Speaker 2: This week we hear from hunters around the country who
Speaker 2: saw the benefits of a cold front and are working
Speaker 2: to understand native vegetation versus agriculture, how and when the
Speaker 2: deer relating to both, and what will happen in the
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 3: This is rutfresh. Let's go.
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Speaker 2: I'm your host Tyler Jones. Case Smith's in the house
Speaker 2: with me too, hosting this thing. And we have been
Speaker 2: working hard the last week in Texas, of all places. Case,
Speaker 2: why would you work hard in a place that's as
Speaker 2: hot as Texas in the middle of October.
Speaker 3: Tyler's just sometimes some people work hard and that's just
Speaker 3: what they do, even whenever it doesn't benefit that much. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So maybe we should work less,
Speaker 3: but in fact, I don't know, man, I just don't
Speaker 3: think that's how we're wired. And tell you the truth,
Speaker 3: hard work doesn't always mean success, but it is a
Speaker 3: better way to find success than to just sit around,
Speaker 3: so you can get out and find some new stuff out,
Speaker 3: figure out your own little place in this world sometimes.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's pretty conventional thought that the rut
Speaker 3: in Texas is later than the Midwest. However that's not
Speaker 3: always the case. Texas is huge, Texas is huge, huge, huge,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, they're there's a lot of different
Speaker 3: ruts in Texas. We've talked about it on our podcast
Speaker 3: quite a bit over the years, and I mean we've
Speaker 3: got ruts from what September to you know, mid to
Speaker 3: late December that that's and that's like that is not
Speaker 3: just like saying that the deer ruddy, but that's saying
Speaker 3: like that is the absolute rage of the rut, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, that's that is the time that
Speaker 3: they are chasing the best week of the year. It
Speaker 3: goes from I mean, there's just a huge range because
Speaker 3: we've got a big coast, and we've got desert mountains
Speaker 3: that look like Mexico, and we've got the high planes,
Speaker 3: carbl mountain white tails. Michael Wadell showed a big one
Speaker 3: of those one time, did he? Yeah, sure enough. That's
Speaker 3: when I learned that that existed. Really yep from Michael Wadell.
Speaker 3: Michael Wadell, what a guy. He knows some stuff. Man,
Speaker 3: He's been there, seen that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I want to target from him. One time.
Speaker 2: They did one of those caption this best caption wins
Speaker 2: a target and uh, you know that dice block out there,
Speaker 2: that's the one on that I said white l for President. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So yeah, what you were saying, though, and I guess
Speaker 2: probably what you're leading to, is that there are some
Speaker 2: ruts going on right now, and you and I decided
Speaker 2: to travel a little ways recently do some different things,
Speaker 2: and I actually went hunting on some public land and
Speaker 2: in one night might have had something go my way.
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that on our podcast, the Element podcast,
Speaker 2: later on. But the fact of the matter is this
Speaker 2: is Rut Fresh Radio and we are talking about a
Speaker 2: rut going on in Texas right now. We hadn't really
Speaker 2: been able to talk about ruts anywhere, I don't think,
Speaker 2: on this podcast yet this year, and there were some
Speaker 2: ruddy ruddy things happening. And in fact, it was a
Speaker 2: cold front day, which I alluded to earlier in the
Speaker 2: intro of this podcast that guys are finding some success
Speaker 2: on cold fronts. We had a cold front day that
Speaker 2: coincided with a certain areas maybe beginning of its rut,
Speaker 2: and the things happened, and we saw the trail cameras
Speaker 2: light up. We were noticing like raccoons in the middle
Speaker 2: of the day walking around and just the open and
Speaker 2: that's how you know, man, the animals were moving, they
Speaker 2: were feeling frisky. It's like that first day of football
Speaker 2: practice when there's a little north wind and it's finally
Speaker 2: not ninety five. Just everybody's in a better mood and
Speaker 2: everybody wants to run around, you know, on the football field.
Speaker 2: And that's the way it is in the woods. And
Speaker 2: that was the day that that happened. It was a
Speaker 2: it was a pretty fun day. So anyway, you went
Speaker 2: and did some stuff in a different area where there's
Speaker 2: a different.
Speaker 3: Rut and there's no ruddy stuff happening, no ready stuff.
Speaker 3: So I was and yeah, there's a lot of curves. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm ready for the spring out there. You'll if you
Speaker 3: follow what we do is the element. You'll see a
Speaker 3: lot of videos coming from this particular property that we
Speaker 3: got access to up in the Panhandle. I went up
Speaker 3: and did a bunch of prep work there, and it's
Speaker 3: about eight hundred acres and I saw one rub which
Speaker 3: was nice to see. But we did see some deer
Speaker 3: a few doos around. There's a wheat plot planted dirt
Speaker 3: though there's nothing coming up any yet, so they need
Speaker 3: a little moisture. I'm out there. But yeah, So it's
Speaker 3: like the regionality of things was very apparent to me
Speaker 3: this week because we can be, you know, in the
Speaker 3: oaks and pines and potentially be seeing some deer doing
Speaker 3: some snooping, and then you go out there and nah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so you know, I'm not this is kind of a
Speaker 3: joke around here. But I'm not a big moon guy,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, I'm not much of a mooner, as
Speaker 3: they say. But I do think that potentially, I kind
Speaker 3: of think just like the lunar cycle with specifically according
Speaker 3: to the light that the moon provides makes a difference.
Speaker 3: I don't think that the deer, this is my personal opinion.
Speaker 3: I don't think that the deer feeling the pull of
Speaker 3: the moon, like a tide on the ocean does or
Speaker 3: anything like that, and it makes them get out of
Speaker 3: bed or whatever. But I think that and this kind
Speaker 3: of goes across all animals that are kind of that
Speaker 3: crepuscular type. Cruppuscular I think those are early in that
Speaker 3: it is. But anyways, I think that when you have
Speaker 3: a full moon, deer can do stuff all night long,
Speaker 3: and it actually is pretty similar movement to a new moon,
Speaker 3: which was means no moon. But when you have these
Speaker 3: half moons, you'll have a lot of moonlight, either early
Speaker 3: in the evening or early in the morning, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like either side of the midnight, you'll
Speaker 3: have more light, and it kind of effects what you're
Speaker 3: going to see with deer movement for the next morning
Speaker 3: of the next evening. So I think that this past
Speaker 3: week we were experiencing some of that where right now
Speaker 3: you have just a little fingernail, so there's just not
Speaker 3: a lot difference. But before that, I think that there
Speaker 3: was a little bit of that whole The moon's hanging
Speaker 3: in the morning, so you're gonna see some stuff. But anyways,
Speaker 3: that kind of all goes back to say, where I
Speaker 3: didn't see a lot of activity out there, because I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of deer doing stuff at night
Speaker 3: because yeah, they don't have a reason to get out
Speaker 3: because it's no rut. There's no bucks cruising or doing anything.
Speaker 3: And we didn't even see you know, I drove a
Speaker 3: good portion of the state yesterday evening in dear time,
Speaker 3: you know, and I didn't see any bucks on their feet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so things are still. The best is yet to come. Still,
Speaker 3: that's encouraging.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: You talk about this some, but like you get to
Speaker 3: like November eighteenth or nineteenth, and you can feel real
Speaker 3: depressed because it's like, oh, the thing has came and went.
Speaker 3: But that's not the case. And we'll talk more about
Speaker 3: that as the year progresses. And that's kind of what
Speaker 3: rutfresh is about, is to give you the up to
Speaker 3: today information as to what's going on in your neck
Speaker 3: of the woods right now. So, Tyler, who do we
Speaker 3: have today on refresh Man.
Speaker 2: We've got the gamut, We've got people in all the
Speaker 2: different corners of the US as much as possible.
Speaker 3: At least.
Speaker 2: We've got Chris Nickerson. He's up in Maine, which he
Speaker 2: refers to as a place that's called South Canada. We
Speaker 2: got Mike Hunsucker from Harlan bow Hunter. He's been hunting
Speaker 2: in Missouri, had some success there, got some good a
Speaker 2: good report for US, Tyler Jorden and Georgia out there
Speaker 2: in Georgia. And then Graham Cronin from Vortex. He is
Speaker 2: a Wisconsin guy who is you know, a knowledgeable white
Speaker 2: tail hunter in what potentially is the greatest white tail
Speaker 2: state that there's ever been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at Boone Crockett right in that
Speaker 3: wild yep, Buffalo County. It was a question on media
Speaker 3: or trivia the other day and I got it wrong
Speaker 3: because I just had the brain block thing. But it's
Speaker 3: like the top county for Boone Crockett in records. And
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't think of Wisconsin as in my
Speaker 3: top five for white tail states, but it is. It's
Speaker 3: because of your so called propaganda probably it's also it
Speaker 3: really is a reflection of like my geographic location, you know,
Speaker 3: like there's and it's because there's a lot of good
Speaker 3: stuff to drive through to get to wisc. Consin that dude,
Speaker 3: it is hard. But if you're you know, from you know, Michigan,
Speaker 3: you might think differently. Yeah, that's right, man, Mark Marcus.
Speaker 3: All right, anyways, enough of what I got to say.
Speaker 3: You got some good stuff to say. But let's see
Speaker 3: what these guys have to say. I've got Chris Nickerson.
Speaker 3: He's up in Maine right now. Chris, what's going on?
Speaker 6: Hey, man, I'm doing uh actually, just took a quick
Speaker 6: break here.
Speaker 5: I was doing some scouting this morning.
Speaker 6: Half my morning set, and I am sitting on a
Speaker 6: nice piece of granted in between two cornfields.
Speaker 3: Right now, man, is that where the bucks are sitting?
Speaker 5: There are zero.
Speaker 3: Bucks here in the state. You know, at least somewhere
Speaker 3: around there.
Speaker 5: We've got some good bucks in the state. They're just
Speaker 5: fewer far Petral.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's cool, man. I'd love to go up there, but
Speaker 2: you know, it's about near, like going to a different
Speaker 2: country from Texas.
Speaker 6: So I jokingly tell my friends in the south this
Speaker 6: is They ask where I'm from.
Speaker 5: I say South Canada.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel like there's some Canada that
Speaker 3: south of you there, but I'm not.
Speaker 5: Sure they're actually for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So what are the deer doing right now? Man?
Speaker 5: I'll be honest, it's pretty tough.
Speaker 6: Right now.
Speaker 5: The deer are doing not a lot of anything.
Speaker 4: We've got a lot.
Speaker 6: I'm having a friend's farm here that I've got access to,
Speaker 6: you know, between four and five hundred acres.
Speaker 5: We've got cameras and very diverse parts of this.
Speaker 6: Farm, and we're getting absolutely no day like pictures of
Speaker 6: even dose right now. It's very tough. Yeah, it's very
Speaker 6: very little movement right now. So I've been on five
Speaker 6: sits so far on my trip up here and have
Speaker 6: not had any activity at all. So it's gonna be
Speaker 6: a tough one for me here.
Speaker 3: So but you're getting some night photos. I guess we are.
Speaker 6: I recently the last night got on a nice scrape line,
Speaker 6: got a medium sized buck coming out.
Speaker 3: But it's all.
Speaker 6: Between mid nine four a m of everything we're getting
Speaker 6: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's crazy. But if you travel to hunt
Speaker 2: medium sized bucks or shooters a lot of times, you know.
Speaker 6: Uh, if this guy shows himself with dinglight, I'm probably
Speaker 6: gonna have a hard time resisting.
Speaker 5: So yeah, gantee your conditions anyways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you so or any of you've got cameras
Speaker 2: over scrapes? Do you have them over any cornfields or
Speaker 2: anything like that?
Speaker 6: We do, We've got We've got a few on some cornfield,
Speaker 6: edges that brown up against in alfalfa field that's split
Speaker 6: down the middle. We've got you know, deep in the
Speaker 6: wounds on the fields, some heavy travel paths. You know,
Speaker 6: we've got a pretty diverse the camera.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, okay, So but you're seeing that pictures,
Speaker 2: you you're assuming those deer are betting somewhere, but you're
Speaker 2: having trouble, I guess locating the betting.
Speaker 5: I am.
Speaker 6: And there's a there's such a diverse terrain here and
Speaker 6: in this part of Man that you've got everything from
Speaker 6: really swampy, you know, creek beds to higher areas with
Speaker 6: you know a lot of hardwoods, and locating buckbeds is
Speaker 6: very tough. I've only found one in the last five
Speaker 6: days here, so it's it's it's a challenge.
Speaker 2: Are the Do you think any of those hardwoods are
Speaker 2: creating problems as far as like dropping a bunch of
Speaker 2: feeder right now?
Speaker 5: That's actually something I've been looking for today.
Speaker 6: I've I've spent a good majority of today walking since
Speaker 6: I got out of my morning set looking for some
Speaker 6: some acorns, and I've even had a tough time locating
Speaker 6: anything like that.
Speaker 5: It seems that most of the deer here are just
Speaker 5: browsing and.
Speaker 6: Gainings, and everything is chewed off all the top, You're
Speaker 6: chewed off everywhere to go.
Speaker 5: It's almost like they're just constantly and it's a tough it's.
Speaker 6: Challenged to find a solid food source you.
Speaker 3: Can pattern off.
Speaker 2: I got you, Okay, So I guess you know going
Speaker 2: forward into the next week, you know, what's the weather
Speaker 2: going to be like up there? Is there any Is
Speaker 2: there any hope?
Speaker 6: This weekend it's actually gonna warm up, which is not
Speaker 6: what you want to see. We've done pretty steadily in
Speaker 6: the you know, highs of fifty eight to sixty which
Speaker 6: hasn't been terrible, and it's been very consistent weather, so.
Speaker 5: Nothing's really changing.
Speaker 6: And it's actually gonna warm up just to tad this
Speaker 6: weekend into probably sixty two sixty three degrees, which is
Speaker 6: what you want to see, but not a crazy change,
Speaker 6: but not not exactly the right direction I'd like to
Speaker 6: see either.
Speaker 2: Is it is it worth looking at water sources when
Speaker 2: it gets hotter like that?
Speaker 3: This time?
Speaker 6: Up up here, there's so much water that it's really
Speaker 6: not an issue. And all there's water almost every way
Speaker 6: you turn around.
Speaker 3: Here, gotcha? Okay?
Speaker 2: So uh, with the with the attempts warming up, I guess,
Speaker 2: and then maybe you know, you know what what's ideal
Speaker 2: is like when you get that warmer weather and then
Speaker 2: if you're able to hunt the cold front on the
Speaker 2: backside of that thing, especially as we get later in October,
Speaker 2: you know, that could be really good. You know, what
Speaker 2: would you be doing in the next seven days or
Speaker 2: so based off of weather or photo period or whatever.
Speaker 5: For me, I think at this point, I would just continue.
Speaker 6: To do a little bit of what I'm starting to
Speaker 6: do today is trying to locate a little bit more
Speaker 6: of a.
Speaker 4: Solid food source.
Speaker 5: Because I think even with the weather change, I think
Speaker 5: right now food is king. They know winter's coming and
Speaker 5: preparing for that.
Speaker 6: I think these bigger bucks, like the one, the ones
Speaker 6: I'm chasing, they've got a food source somewhere that I
Speaker 6: just haven't gotten onto yet. These ag fields are kind
Speaker 6: of being picked clean. The corn's kind of on its
Speaker 6: way out. There's not a lot out here, so they're
Speaker 6: not really showing themselves in the field. So I think,
Speaker 6: like you mentioned, you know, getting on some acorns, food
Speaker 6: sources like that that are a little bit more rich
Speaker 6: in protein.
Speaker 5: I think that's kind of where it's at.
Speaker 3: Gotcha?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, in this next week, if you were to
Speaker 2: make an assumption about buck movement on a scale of
Speaker 2: one to ten, what would you rate that buck movement as?
Speaker 6: I think I'm gonna be real honest and give it probably,
Speaker 6: you know, smack in the middle of four and a
Speaker 6: half of five. I don't think you're too much movement.
Speaker 6: I think that's been been fair and I do think
Speaker 6: there's gonna be much changes. So I think a solid
Speaker 6: four and after five is where it's going to be.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, Chris, I appreciate the report, man, and all
Speaker 2: the information.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I like it when you know people people talk fast
Speaker 2: on here because we can get a lot done in
Speaker 2: five minutes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate it. Man, Thanks for everything, and I
Speaker 3: hope you have a great season anytime.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Now on the phone, I've got Michael Hunsucker from Heartland
Speaker 2: bow Hunter. Michael, what's going on, man?
Speaker 3: Not much?
Speaker 4: Just in the archery shop getting getting some new bows
Speaker 4: set up.
Speaker 3: Oh really? How about sure? That's cool? You your your
Speaker 3: current bon won't shoot good enough? True?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had to just it's just fine. But I'm
Speaker 7: always tinkering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, man, you are.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I sent you this message on
Speaker 2: Instagram of the day. But uh, you you know you
Speaker 2: shot a buck recently and you hit him real good
Speaker 2: and you usually do. Is that is the archery stuff?
Speaker 2: Just a three sixty five for you always doing that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I mean I live and breathe up
Speaker 7: for sure, but I mean definitely don't always always hit
Speaker 7: them exactly where you want to hit them. Actually had
Speaker 7: a couple experiences last year where you just hit him
Speaker 7: just a little bit, a little bit off that spot
Speaker 7: and it can make.
Speaker 4: A world of difference.
Speaker 7: So that's kind of cool about archery hunting though, is
Speaker 7: you know I'm still learning. I've been doing this a
Speaker 7: long time and still learning every every day.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big challenge man. Well, so the cats
Speaker 2: out of the bag. You shot a deer year in
Speaker 2: Missouri and he's a nice buck. I saw the I
Speaker 2: guess like POV footage, but it looked like the deer
Speaker 2: was coming into food, Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: What what little food was there? We had a brutal,
Speaker 7: brutal year for food plots, but yeah, he was coming
Speaker 7: to a green, green plot.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, so brutal because of drought.
Speaker 7: Yep, brutal because of the drought and just just horrible
Speaker 7: drought and just really high high late summer temperatures.
Speaker 2: So is that would you say that the green food
Speaker 2: sources are performing better than like the grain right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, it seems like acorns and green food sources of
Speaker 7: the play gotcha.
Speaker 2: So I know it looked like you've been hunt that
Speaker 2: deer a little bit and had some encounters with him
Speaker 2: so far. Was it all in the same area or
Speaker 2: is he doing different things?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: He was really tight to an area and really wasn't
Speaker 7: moving much honestly at all in daylight.
Speaker 5: I mean I knew exactly where he was betted.
Speaker 7: And had a couple of encounters with him. Previous one
Speaker 7: had an in bow range after dark. Well it was
Speaker 7: legal light, so I could illegally shot him, but I
Speaker 7: didn't feel comfortable taking the shot twenty five yards even.
Speaker 7: And then I had a couple other encounters with him,
Speaker 7: once where kyote spooked him and he got got away,
Speaker 7: but he was in bow range, So I had him
Speaker 7: in bo range twice before I finally killed him. O man,
Speaker 7: And I did see him a third time off off
Speaker 7: in the distance, but all three times were within one
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty two hundred.
Speaker 4: Yards to circle radius.
Speaker 3: Wow, what kind of vegetation is he betting in?
Speaker 7: He's actually bedded in. It's almost like kind of swamp
Speaker 7: swampy type stuff. It's below a pond and big cottonwoods,
Speaker 7: but then tons of native grass and really tall grasses,
Speaker 7: so it's a it's a thick area. It's you know,
Speaker 7: sometimes deer like the bed up on ridgetops where they
Speaker 7: have high visibility and they you know, utilize the wind
Speaker 7: in their favor. This buck was just holding up.
Speaker 3: And he was smart, gotcha.
Speaker 2: So it looked like to me in the video when
Speaker 2: he came into the field, he kind of was doing
Speaker 2: some frisky stuff. Was he feeling the right at all,
Speaker 2: you think, or was it just something different?
Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean that cold snap had him
Speaker 7: all kind of feeling a little bit frisky. They little
Speaker 7: bucks were sparring.
Speaker 4: This buck. He jumped a.
Speaker 7: Fence and there was a couple of the deer in
Speaker 7: the plot, so he was approaching them. But I think
Speaker 7: more than anything, it was just his just his getting
Speaker 7: his big body over those logs and jumping the fence.
Speaker 7: You know, he had his momentum.
Speaker 3: Going yeah, yeah, I did, man, that's cool.
Speaker 7: So I was anticipating him just you know, going to
Speaker 7: slow down, stop start feeding, but he just kept on trotting,
Speaker 7: so I'd actually stop him, which I you know, I
Speaker 7: don't like to do unless you have to.
Speaker 2: You you got that soft grunt, stop down, man, you
Speaker 2: gotta yeah, you got to stop them with the softest
Speaker 2: grunt you can get them with usually, because if you don't,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get real tense, real quick, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I feel like that every situation is a
Speaker 7: little different with that. You know that one worked with
Speaker 7: the soft grunt. Last year, I had one of those
Speaker 7: crunching through leaves and you could have yelled at the
Speaker 7: begining to stop. So it's just you never you never know.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, that's right man. Well, So in the next
Speaker 2: week or so, do you expect to still be able
Speaker 2: to shoot deer on green food sources or are things
Speaker 2: going to change?
Speaker 3: You think?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 7: I mean I think if you have good green food
Speaker 7: sources and they're not and they're not like just locked
Speaker 7: in on some a orange dropping, I think that they're
Speaker 7: usually the key Clover, Nebraska's turn ups that type of stuff.
Speaker 7: But it really just kind of depends. And you know
Speaker 7: this this next week coming up, we've had some nice
Speaker 7: little cold snaps here and there. It looks like we
Speaker 7: got one coming up on Thursday. It's kind of cool
Speaker 7: off a little bit, but after that gets back up
Speaker 7: into the warm, warmer temperatures mid seventies, and so that's
Speaker 7: going to really slow things back down.
Speaker 2: M hm. So if you were looking forward to say
Speaker 2: the next seven days or so, if you had to
Speaker 2: predict what Buck movement would be on a scale of
Speaker 2: one to ten based off those variables you talked about,
Speaker 2: what would you what would you put it at.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say I'm gonna put it probably like a six,
Speaker 7: six or seven. It's not not looking great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a if we can get a front
Speaker 2: though after that and that timing will work out really well.
Speaker 2: I feel like where that you know, last part of
Speaker 2: October and first part of November is going to really
Speaker 2: be on fire. So that's it's exciting that that's the
Speaker 2: that's the potential in the next couple of weeks, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, very vary into in the weather
Speaker 7: is key. I mean, you can't just if it was
Speaker 7: just cool, you know, for weeks on end, you know,
Speaker 7: it wouldn't be as powerful as when it's warm in
Speaker 7: the boom it drops out and then just just really
Speaker 7: triggers them.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well. I appreciate it, Mike. I look forward to
Speaker 2: seeing the full video on that deer at some point,
Speaker 2: and I hope you guys have a great rest of
Speaker 2: your season.
Speaker 5: Thanks buddying you too.
Speaker 2: All right, on the phone, I've got Tyler Jordy from
Speaker 2: Real Tree. Tyler, it's crazy. We just got on the
Speaker 2: phone with each other for the first time, never met,
Speaker 2: and we're best friends.
Speaker 8: I know, we're best friends, and you're coming to an
Speaker 8: old mess game next weekend.
Speaker 4: But that's how good are friends. We just became.
Speaker 2: I feel at a lot of peer pressure right now. Man,
Speaker 2: Well man, what's been going on. I know you've been
Speaker 2: hunting a little bit. Has it been pretty good?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's been pretty good.
Speaker 8: You know, the last four or five days I would say,
Speaker 8: have been definitely better, probably the best it's been, you know,
Speaker 8: up to this point in the you know, in the season.
Speaker 8: And you know, my little brother shot a buck last Sunday,
Speaker 8: and you know, for Youth Weekend with a rifle, So
Speaker 8: really excited about that, and you know, just trying to
Speaker 8: take advantage of that first cold front. You know, that's
Speaker 8: really kind of my favorite time to hunt is when
Speaker 8: you have those first you know, two or three days
Speaker 8: and it gets you know, cooler weather.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: So it was happy for for Colton that we were
Speaker 8: able to get a good solid eight pointer on the
Speaker 8: ground and you know, have another big deer that we're
Speaker 8: trying to hunt. But uh, you know, unfortunately, I think
Speaker 8: the weather's really going to warm up later this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you you and Colton shot this deer. What
Speaker 2: was he doing?
Speaker 4: He actually came into a food plot.
Speaker 8: You know, we were we were hunting this food plot
Speaker 8: where this deer we've seen him in several times. You know,
Speaker 8: he's been on camera and I will say he has
Speaker 8: not really been daylight at all. Uh, but you know,
Speaker 8: we just kind of went in there thinking, man, you know,
Speaker 8: take advantage of this cooler weather. And then the first
Speaker 8: thing he did when he entered the food plot, he
Speaker 8: came in and checked the scrape and we got all
Speaker 8: that on camera and hopefully we'll put that up here,
Speaker 8: you know, sometime soon on on our you know, road
Speaker 8: trip show. But came in there checked the scrape, and
Speaker 8: you know he was kind of, you know, bumping doze
Speaker 8: just a little bit. You know, they were feeling a
Speaker 8: little bit frisky with his cooler weather. But yeah, that's
Speaker 8: kind of what he was doing when he came in.
Speaker 2: Man, that's cool. So this is a green food source,
Speaker 2: I'm guessing right, yes, bid Cloverfield. Okay, And was this
Speaker 2: a mock scrape or had this been put up set
Speaker 2: up by the deer.
Speaker 4: No, this has been set up by the deer.
Speaker 2: Oh cool man. So as far as you know other
Speaker 2: food sources, have you seen deer hitting any acrons or
Speaker 2: anything like that, any oak trees or Yeah.
Speaker 8: So that's been the primary, you know, food source, I
Speaker 8: would say over the last probably two weeks, Tyler is
Speaker 8: you know, I feel like that's what a lot of
Speaker 8: these deer are doing. They've been a little bit just
Speaker 8: more reclusive. You know, there's just plenty of cover and food.
Speaker 8: I mean, I walked around today, you know, trying to
Speaker 8: pick up this bigger bug that I've been trying to
Speaker 8: hunt since really the beginning of the season. And I
Speaker 8: mean everywhere you walk, I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 8: an acron drop like this. I mean, we just got
Speaker 8: a bunch of red and white oaks kind of falling everywhere,
Speaker 8: and which makes it, you know a little bit difficult,
Speaker 8: especially with the weather you know warming up right now.
Speaker 8: Is you know, just kind of really honing in on
Speaker 8: exactly what to do. So, you know, we found an
Speaker 8: acorn flat today and I put a camera up and
Speaker 8: you know, we'll see kind of what happens. But it
Speaker 8: definitely seems like hardwoods and timber is really where you
Speaker 8: want to be right now.
Speaker 2: Sure, So how important is the cold weather to that
Speaker 2: success you had this week?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say it's kind of everything.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm probably like I've even kind of contemplated
Speaker 8: as much as I do want to go in there
Speaker 8: and hunt these these hardwoods. Over the next you know,
Speaker 8: three or five days, it's going to be in the
Speaker 8: upper seventies, and I just don't know if I want
Speaker 8: to do more harm than good. So, you know, I
Speaker 8: really think we're going to need that colder weather, and
Speaker 8: I don't really know if we're going to get that.
Speaker 8: You know, it looks like the twenty ninth and thirtieth
Speaker 8: I kind of have circled right now.
Speaker 4: You know, the weather is going to be in the.
Speaker 8: Lower sixties, you know for highs, and you know, for us,
Speaker 8: that's pretty cool weather, you know, because I I think
Speaker 8: tomorrow next day, you know, it's going to be seventy seven,
Speaker 8: seventy eight, and you know, just my experience, after that
Speaker 8: first kind of cold front, the weather goes back that warm.
Speaker 8: You know, that's that's kind of what I refer to
Speaker 8: a little bit as that October lowll kind of dead period.
Speaker 3: Sure, so in your region of Georgia, when is the
Speaker 3: rut in your opinion.
Speaker 8: You know, I would say, like somewhere like November eighth
Speaker 8: to like the fourteenth, I would say, that's probably when
Speaker 8: it's you know, really starting to pop off.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: So even even with that cold weather at the end
Speaker 2: of the month here that you don't expect it to
Speaker 2: be just a ten out of ten going until maybe
Speaker 2: two weeks later.
Speaker 4: Or so, I would say.
Speaker 8: So, I mean, and that's kind of what I'm banking on,
Speaker 8: at least for this particular buck that we're hunting, and
Speaker 8: you know, for a couple of other ones we have targeted.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm I'm probably more looking forward to the
Speaker 8: first of November. You know that that's just kind of
Speaker 8: where like my head, my head is right now unless
Speaker 8: something just drastically changes, you know, I mean.
Speaker 4: Not this say, I don't have any hope at all.
Speaker 8: Obviously going to go in there and try to maximize
Speaker 8: whatever opportunity we can, but you know, kind of looking
Speaker 8: forward to the rut.
Speaker 2: So you know, if things, if things cool back down
Speaker 2: after we get this warm, kind of stagnant stretch here,
Speaker 2: would you change anything about what you're like the way
Speaker 2: you're hunting, So as far as you know you guys
Speaker 2: killed near a scrape on a green field, would you
Speaker 2: would you change anything if we were closer to the
Speaker 2: end of the month when the weather came in.
Speaker 8: Uh, you know, I mean I would probably look at
Speaker 8: maybe getting a little bit closer to some of the bedding,
Speaker 8: you know, at least at least in my situation where
Speaker 8: I think this buck is like he's not really getting
Speaker 8: to any of these green fields or any of the
Speaker 8: have like some standing corn fields, and we've cut a
Speaker 8: portion of it. And like I said on it last night,
Speaker 8: and you know, didn't see but one deer the whole night,
Speaker 8: and I could see a long ways. I think you know,
Speaker 8: if we had that cold front come in again, I
Speaker 8: would just try to in the distance a little bit more.
Speaker 8: And that's something I may not try, you know, two, three,
Speaker 8: four days in a row. I may just try it
Speaker 8: once or twice and if it works, it works. But
Speaker 8: you know, what I'm what I would like to do
Speaker 8: is to get a lot closer to their to their
Speaker 8: bedding area. Up to this point, I feel like I've been,
Speaker 8: you know, real.
Speaker 4: Protective of that.
Speaker 8: But if I feel like if I have a good wind,
Speaker 8: good weather, you know, that's something I'll probably try to
Speaker 8: do different than I haven't done yet.
Speaker 2: Sure, so in the next week or so, what do
Speaker 2: you think the buck movement is going to be? Based
Speaker 2: on a scale of one to ten? What number would
Speaker 2: you get it? Give it?
Speaker 8: You know that this probably is going to sound a
Speaker 8: little bit low, but I you know, i'd.
Speaker 4: Probably say even four.
Speaker 3: Yeap, good. You know That's that which is kind of
Speaker 3: where I'm at.
Speaker 2: Everybody's got, you know, get got these optimistic you know, expectations,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm I try to be an optimist too,
Speaker 2: but you know, sometimes you just got to be real
Speaker 2: with yourself and say, Okay, these are work days. These
Speaker 2: aren't hunting days, you know what I mean. Yeah, so,
Speaker 2: and that's just previous experience. And that's not to say
Speaker 2: it's not going to be really good for anybody else. Obviously,
Speaker 2: nobody hold me to that rating in Georgia when they
Speaker 2: send me a picture of a john, because I hope
Speaker 2: it happens for everybody. You know, after that first kind
Speaker 2: of cold snap, it just that October lowll at least
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 4: I mean, it seems to hit.
Speaker 8: And you know, not to say you don't get a
Speaker 8: couple of really good days in there, of some good
Speaker 8: weather you can take advantage of and hunt, but you know,
Speaker 8: with the weather warming up, I'm just not overly optimistic.
Speaker 4: But again, you never know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, Tyler, I appreciate what what you've done, you and
Speaker 2: your dad have done for the hunting community man, and
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking my call, and I hope that
Speaker 2: that big buck you're hunting gives you a chance here
Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, Tyler, to look forward to doing it again.
Speaker 2: On the phone, I've got Graham cronin from Vortex. He's
Speaker 2: up in Wisconsin. Graham, what's the weather like up there right.
Speaker 9: Now, Hey, Tyler, thanks for having me. Man, sure pretty consistent.
Speaker 9: You know, the past couple of days here just kind
Speaker 9: of kind of lingering between that like mid fifties to
Speaker 9: low sixties. It looks like it's going to be that
Speaker 9: way for a couple of days here now.
Speaker 2: So that's that's what a lot of people are seeing
Speaker 2: right now. I think across the country we kind of
Speaker 2: have this like it's not a terrible weather, but it's
Speaker 2: a stagnant weather pattern, and you know, it's kind of
Speaker 2: made for a lot of tough hunting conditions. Is are
Speaker 2: you seeing the same thing or do you're moving pretty
Speaker 2: good around you?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say for the most part seeing the
Speaker 9: same thing. Kind of that real stigment weather. It just
Speaker 9: really doesn't have them doing too much where we've kind
Speaker 9: of looked out. In the past week, we had a
Speaker 9: couple of rain spells where it lasted for about two
Speaker 9: to three days, and then hunting that break. I know
Speaker 9: a lot of people that have had success and like
Speaker 9: people seeing their cameras blow up with bucks hitting scraps.
Speaker 9: So even though it is that stagnant, whether you know,
Speaker 9: trying to find those different opportunities that are going to
Speaker 9: get a move and so whether it's wind switches, you know,
Speaker 9: looking for those rain conditions, I think you can still
Speaker 9: beretty sucessful this time of year with.
Speaker 2: That, even Yeah, what what would you focus on if
Speaker 2: you had a rain shower one day? What would you
Speaker 2: when you go out to hunt? What are you going
Speaker 2: to look at hunting?
Speaker 9: Oh, man, I would be this time of year. I'm
Speaker 9: looking at oak flats and I am trying to find scrapes. Yeah,
Speaker 9: if I can find a scrape that looks like it's
Speaker 9: been worked, you know, in the past year or two,
Speaker 9: you know, depending on what that rain looked like, find
Speaker 9: one that looks like it's pretty fresh, because as soon
Speaker 9: as that rain stops, I would expect the buck to
Speaker 9: probably be freshen them that up.
Speaker 3: So white oaks, red oaks, what are you looking at?
Speaker 4: A lot of whites bund me this year. So I've
Speaker 4: been hunting those primarily, gotcha.
Speaker 2: So this is this is the kind of million dollar
Speaker 2: question here for a lot of people who are talking
Speaker 2: about white oaks. But have you found any way to
Speaker 2: really focus in on this is why this oak tree
Speaker 2: is the place to be as opposed to all the
Speaker 2: other Maybe hundreds of oak trees in the woods, which
Speaker 2: maybe it's not that way, but a lot of places
Speaker 2: that have white oaks, you know, there's a bunch of them,
Speaker 2: So how do you focus on one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean really it's for me.
Speaker 9: I haven't found a specific reason of, you know, why
Speaker 9: this tree is doing better.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure there's a reason out there.
Speaker 9: I'm not a tree guy, yeah, so I don't have
Speaker 9: that answer, but I am a deer guy. So I'm
Speaker 9: just looking for the deer sign around those trees. So
Speaker 9: it's just trying to figure out, you know, where those
Speaker 9: deer are, kind of where they're coming from, where they're
Speaker 9: going to.
Speaker 2: And then going off of that, would you say what
Speaker 2: percentage of the acorns have fallen off of those of
Speaker 2: those trees generally speaking right now?
Speaker 4: Ooh, that'd be tough. I'd say probably majority of them.
Speaker 9: There's still a lot lingering on, but I would say
Speaker 9: probably in that sixty to seventy percent range.
Speaker 2: So in the next week, would you change what you're
Speaker 2: gonna do or would you still stay with you know,
Speaker 2: scrapes on oak flats?
Speaker 4: I would probably stick.
Speaker 9: You know, it's in the next seven days, it's probably
Speaker 9: it looks pretty much the same, you know, that kind
Speaker 9: of fifties sixties degree temps, but just outside.
Speaker 4: Of that range.
Speaker 9: You know, we're looking you know that eighth day, we're
Speaker 9: going to get another ring spell for a couple of days.
Speaker 9: So I think it'd still be hitting that in the
Speaker 9: strategy of you know, getting in there, finding those screeps
Speaker 9: and hunting them because you know, even on cameras, you're
Speaker 9: starting to see bucks freshening those up more and more frequently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you think that there is a definite increase
Speaker 2: in testosterone happening right now the deer is starting to
Speaker 2: to check and really get ready and ramp up towards
Speaker 2: that rut. Or is it still a lot of night
Speaker 2: movement or is that day is going to be some
Speaker 2: day movement in there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean you're starting to just get on the
Speaker 9: fringe of that day movement. I mean, you know, looking
Speaker 9: at my small sample size of the cameras that I
Speaker 9: got out, like within the past four or five days,
Speaker 9: you're starting to see a lot of those two and a.
Speaker 4: Half three and a half year old bucks start hitting
Speaker 4: those screeps.
Speaker 9: I mean I've had some that are definitely been in
Speaker 9: legal light but still kind of like right on the fringe.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I would.
Speaker 9: Say it's probably not too long from now where you
Speaker 9: see those big boys getting up and start moving a
Speaker 9: lot more.
Speaker 3: Too, gotcha.
Speaker 2: So in the next week, in the next seven days
Speaker 2: or maybe even eight, we'll cheat a little bit here,
Speaker 2: are you I mean, are you thinking that the deer
Speaker 2: movement or I guess let's just say, is the buck
Speaker 2: movement going to increase or is it going to be
Speaker 2: about the same?
Speaker 9: I would say in the in the near future, it's
Speaker 9: gonna be about the same, but kind of like hitting
Speaker 9: that seven day mark, I'm going to see a big
Speaker 9: increase just with the time of year. You know, we're
Speaker 9: going into late October here, we're getting that ring spell
Speaker 9: and you know they're starting to think about things.
Speaker 4: So I would say it's definitely trending up.
Speaker 2: So let's HiPE people up a little bit on the
Speaker 2: seventh or eighth day. From this point on, on scale
Speaker 2: of one to ten, what do you think the buck
Speaker 2: movement is going to be like on that seventh or
Speaker 2: eighth day, I'm.
Speaker 9: Gonna put it at a strong just even from what
Speaker 9: we saw with this last ring movement and just knowing
Speaker 9: that you know, we're obviously getting closer to November. I'm
Speaker 9: gonna put it like a six and a half seven.
Speaker 9: I think you're gonna on a good movement.
Speaker 3: Man, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's exciting, you know, and things just get
Speaker 2: better from this point on for a while. So, uh,
Speaker 2: it's a good time to be in the woods. I
Speaker 2: appreciate the information and the report, Graham from Wisconsin, and
Speaker 2: hopefully thanks paying out for you. Like last year where
Speaker 2: you said when you were on retfresh last year, I
Speaker 2: think the day it dropped, you shot a buck, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm really hoping that this happens again for me.
Speaker 3: All Right.
Speaker 2: We'll try to make it work for you. So just
Speaker 2: let me know and I'll release this thing whenever the
Speaker 2: weather's right for you.
Speaker 4: Perfect. Yeah, if you can just plan accordingly, that'd.
Speaker 3: Be creating perfect all right, Graham. I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 5: He appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Ty to take care.
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Speaker 2: Also, Tony Peterson, you guys are familiar. He read an
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