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Speaker 1: news for Jacks Now. As you will recall, this was

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Speaker 1: a multi count indictment, including attempts to murder or hashing

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Joining me Leave by Page Crime Online

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Speaker 1: True Crime podcast. Won't that take nine years off exotic sentence? Yes, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, this guy Exotic shot animals, just shot

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Speaker 1: they ran concurrently to each other until all other counts,

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Speaker 1: and he was sentenced to forty eight months on each

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Speaker 1: of the Lacy Act violations to run concurrently with all

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Speaker 1: the other but consecutive to the two murder for higher counts. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that changes things, Daryl Cohen, because everybody, Darrel Cohen and

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Speaker 1: I have both argued many many sentencings before judges. So

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Speaker 1: let's break it down and make it simple, Darrell, all

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Speaker 1: of the animal cruelty charges, all of them are encompassed

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Speaker 1: in a forty eight month sentencing. Okay, forty eight months,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about four years, and then you have the

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Speaker 1: two nine years sentences. So the best he can hope

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Speaker 1: for is nine plus four, which is thirteen years as

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Speaker 1: opposed to twenty two. And you will do eighty five

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Speaker 1: percent of those thirteen years. Now, And that's my analysis

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Speaker 1: of what's going to happen. What do you think? I think, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: that what was concurrent before will become consecutive, and I

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Speaker 1: think the judge will. We'll see it's a definite. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I disagree. I don't think he cannot touch what he's

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Speaker 1: already done. The judge already sentenced four years on the

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Speaker 1: animal counts and nine years consecutive on the murder. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he can touch the animal counts. I think

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Speaker 1: all he can do is get rid of the nine years.

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Speaker 1: So eighty five. I'm doing my math. Eighty five percent

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Speaker 1: of thirteen. I guess you've already figured it out, Joe

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. I've got eleven zero five. It's eighty five

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Speaker 1: percent of thirteen, So eleven years and he's already done

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Speaker 1: what two years three? He's looking at it being out

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Speaker 1: in eight years? Yep, that's what I'm seeing. Guys. A

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Speaker 1: lot has changed behind bars for Joe Exotic. Now take

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Speaker 1: a less in our Cup forty three. This is Scott

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Speaker 1: Jones and Tara Bloom at Fox fifty nine. Joe Exotic

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Speaker 1: is looking for love and Harold he is having a

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Speaker 1: competition to get it. He's allegedly getting his own dating

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00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: so called the Bachelor King. Yeah, that should be good.

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Speaker 1: Any details, But men eighteen and older can fill out

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Speaker 1: an application online to possibly be the next love of

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Speaker 1: Joe's right, it wouldn't be Carol. One thing that Mike

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Speaker 1: get in the way is Joe's twenty two years sentence

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00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: after being found guilty in a murder for higher plot,

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Speaker 1: which is all detailed in the wildly popular Netflix show.

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Speaker 1: So he's going to be in prison until twenty forty two.

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Speaker 1: There's also the fact he's still married to Dylan Passage. However,

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00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Passage announced back in March on Instagram that they are

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Speaker 1: getting a divorce. Okay, is this true? Leavi page is

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Speaker 1: he's starting a reality show, that's what he wants. We'll

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Speaker 1: see if that happened. We know that he's tried to

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Speaker 1: cash in on his notoriety. At one point, he was

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Speaker 1: selling underwear with his picture on it. Okay, can we

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Speaker 1: talk about that for just one moment. What do you

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Speaker 1: mean he's selling underwear with his picture on it? He

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Speaker 1: was selling men's underwear. People could purchase it and it

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Speaker 1: had his picture on the front of them. And he

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Speaker 1: also has a new cannabis line that he is trying

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Speaker 1: to cash in on as well. You mean pot Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I say to listen to our cut forty four zero

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Speaker 1: our friends at crime Online. It seems like the public

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Speaker 1: just can't get enough of Tiger King star Joe Exotic.

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00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: His line of designer underwear, some sporting his face over

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Speaker 1: the groin area, sold out immediately when it launched earlier

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Speaker 1: this month, raking in fifty thousand dollars in online sales.

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Speaker 1: The top seller in his Revenge Collection with Dangerous appears

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Speaker 1: to be the limited edition casket basket and Boxer Brief,

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Speaker 1: which depicts blood red ice cream in a cone. Let's

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Speaker 1: listen to part of the ad seeing your husband's boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: fiance and those nasty, tidy whitey are then drinking Boxer George,

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Speaker 1: Have I got the product for you today? Jazz him

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Speaker 1: up and get him on your wild side with exclusive

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Speaker 1: Tiger King hundway and they are everywhere. O Dangerous just

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Speaker 1: put up three billboards in Mexico pushing the Revenge collection.

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Speaker 1: Now wait a minute, Leavi Page, you kind of pooh

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Speaker 1: pooed it, but the underwear sold out. LEVI I think

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Speaker 1: we have Netflix to think for that. Nancy, Tiger King

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Speaker 1: was one of the most downloaded shows in the history

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Speaker 1: of Netflix. So Daryl Cohen, speaking of the resentencing, which

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Speaker 1: is why we are all here today, I believe it's

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Speaker 1: going to be eleven point zero five years. Do you

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Speaker 1: have a different interpretation? I do. I think the judge

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Speaker 1: is going to resentence him as to the animal counts,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're going to go consecutive. But you

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Speaker 1: and I agree that he's going to serve at least

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Speaker 1: eleven and I think it will be of the thirteenth

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Speaker 1: to fifteen year range. It will be the twenty two

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Speaker 1: year sentence, but I think it will be more than

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Speaker 1: what he's originally got on the animal counts. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: So for those of you just joining us, there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. In my mind, Joe Exotic is going

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Speaker 1: to get a reduced sentence thanks to a missentence by

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Speaker 1: the trial judge regarding the murder for higher plot, Joe

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Speaker 1: Exotic hatched to kill his rival Carol Baskin. Take a

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00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: listen to Lorie chuckerb at six. It was a show

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00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: that swept the nation while we were all inside due

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Speaker 1: to COVID. Many people learned about Joe Exotic in Netflix's

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Speaker 1: hit docuseries Tiger King. If you watch the show, you

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00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: already know he's in jail, but now he's getting resentenced. Well,

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00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in Oklahoma has dropped

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Speaker 1: the murder for Higher sentence for Joseph Maldonado Passage, also

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Speaker 1: known as Joe Exotic. Now, according to new court documents,

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Speaker 1: the court upheld the guilty verdict but says he was

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Speaker 1: not sentenced correctly. They say the court says that Joe

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00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: Exotic must be resentenced. However, he will not be released

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Speaker 1: from prison. In January of twenty twenty, Passage was sentenced

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Speaker 1: to twenty two years in prison for our Murder for

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Speaker 1: Higher plot. Federal prosecutors say he schemed to have prominent

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Speaker 1: animal rights activist Carol Basking killed. So far, there's not

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Speaker 1: been a date set for the resentencing. If you doubt

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Speaker 1: the jury, Verdick, take a listen to Our Friends are

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00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: written Netflix. This is our cut six. And then Jeff

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Speaker 1: Low goes to Good Work shows a bike path right

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00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: by Big PA Rescue and stuff, and he was like, all,

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Speaker 1: you get to sit right here and then shoot her

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00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: while she's riding a bike. So Jeff Low knew more

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Speaker 1: about this thematicus than anything that was because I was

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Speaker 1: the only one smart enough to bring up the picture

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00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: on Google Earth and show it to Travis. Travis says,

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Speaker 1: I can shoot it from there. I can shoot it

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Speaker 1: from there, and Joe was like, you're not shooting there

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Speaker 1: because you're my husband and you're you'll go to jail forever.

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Speaker 1: Nonet low happening now. Joe talked about killing this woman.

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Speaker 1: If it wasn't a daily basis, it was definitely every

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Speaker 1: week as well. The bitch still lives another day and says,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'll find somebody. He just wasn't shy about it,

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00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: not shy at all. Take a listen to more. Joe

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00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: brought it up several times. I know anybody can kill

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00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: the lady. I just put it off because, you know

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00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: the bullet. I came into office one day and he's like, well,

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00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: I got this cross boat. He could use this on

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00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: her nature trail, wherever she walks. You can shoot her

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00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: with this and nobody'd ever see it. And I'm like,

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00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: what the okay he's even walking around floor with a

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00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: camouflage suit on. Okay, but a crossbow. Give me a break.

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00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: Alan Glover he's an old time employee of Jeff. Jeff

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00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: knows him real well, supposedly since he has a tear

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00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: drop tattoo. He's killed somebody before. Well, Joe caning me

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00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: one day, just side of the blue. He says, you

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00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: think Alan could kill somebody? I said, is he capable

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Speaker 1: of it? I said, of course, who's not. I'll cut

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Speaker 1: her head off for you if you want. And he's

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00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: all into that. I said, you would you let me

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Speaker 1: to bring it back? No? No, get rid of in

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00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: the swamp? Okay do? Reams and reams of evidence and

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Speaker 1: testimony came before that jury. They concluded Joe Exotic aka

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00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: the Tiger King, planned a hit on his rival, Carol Baskin. Now,

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Speaker 1: whether you like basking or hate Baskin, whether you believe

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Speaker 1: she murdered her own husband or did not? What about

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Speaker 1: all the animal cruelty charges? We wait for that resentencing,

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Speaker 1: and we wait as justice some folds. Nancy Grace Crime

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Speaker 1: Story signing off, good bye friend,