Speaker 1: Hi, guys, and welcome to this episode of the Let's
Speaker 1: Be Real Podcast. This week we have Ashley and Jared
Speaker 1: for The Bachelor. We talk about a lot. We talk
Speaker 1: about the season of The Bachelor, the process of coming together,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of what you normally see, and they
Speaker 1: schooled me on what movies I should watch. So make
Speaker 1: sure you listen and I cannot wait to hear your feedback.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for coming on my podcast.
Speaker 1: We have a lot to talk about today. Okay, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about The Bachelor first because it's very
Speaker 1: relevant right now, and I have a few questions and
Speaker 1: a few theories that I want to run buy you Okay,
Speaker 1: go for it. Okay, who do you think is going
Speaker 1: to win? Madison? Chris Harrison. Harrison always wins. He is
Speaker 1: the winner of all these Bachelor's seasons. You want to
Speaker 1: know why because he comes in, he works approximately four
Speaker 1: minutes an episode rough flee, tells everybody that it's about
Speaker 1: to be the final rows, and then when they leave,
Speaker 1: says sorry, say your goodbyes. That's the true winner of
Speaker 1: every Bachelor season. But let's not say that Christophers doesn't
Speaker 1: work hard. He work very hard behind the scenes too,
Speaker 1: and he needs to be very talented, especially during live shows. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I have a conspiracy theory because on my for
Speaker 1: you page, a girl saw Peter in Auburn, Alabama yesterday,
Speaker 1: which is where Madison is from. Yeah, we heard. I
Speaker 1: heard this online rumor that Maddie and Peter were seen
Speaker 1: together this week. Yeah, it's some game something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know literally, as it's an online rumor.
Speaker 1: As Harris says on The Women Tell All that even
Speaker 1: Peter doesn't know how Peter's season is gonna end. Yet
Speaker 1: he probably doesn't all these false rumors with the He
Speaker 1: could be with the producer, he could be with Julie
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like it. Sometimes I feel like that, honestly,
Speaker 1: could he be with Hannah Brown? No, that's the one
Speaker 1: she got off of The Bachelor, and she turned it down.
Speaker 1: And she didn't turn it down because she was with
Speaker 1: Peter because production would have known not to ask her.
Speaker 1: Because with Peter. You guys have been in this The
Speaker 1: Bachelor nation, like you've understood and you've been on the show,
Speaker 1: and you know what's emphasized for TV and what's the
Speaker 1: reality of things. So I'm curious what is just show
Speaker 1: and what do they dramatize and how much of it
Speaker 1: is actually real and accurate? I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: it is very everything is real. Yeah, I can't think
Speaker 1: of anything that's fake. I mean there are fake people, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: But in terms of like producers creating a storyline and
Speaker 1: having cast just go with the story even though that's
Speaker 1: not how they actually feel or what they want to do,
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. But sure, yeah, of course, Like actually said,
Speaker 1: there's people like go onto this show with ulterior motives
Speaker 1: and an idea of what they want accomplished. And there
Speaker 1: are people uh just like it will go and do
Speaker 1: anything that they think is going to make them look good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll say things they don't mean because they know make
Speaker 1: a splash. But ultimately, the majority of the people that
Speaker 1: go on this show are going on the show for
Speaker 1: the experience and doing exactly what we did, which was uh,
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out how best to navigate yourself
Speaker 1: going through this weird, crazy, experimental show, and then of
Speaker 1: course afterwards with getting thrown into the public and and
Speaker 1: having them judge you and and and talk about you,
Speaker 1: and um so I think the majority of people are
Speaker 1: just kind of very normal in that aspect. How do
Speaker 1: you think it differs from when you guys were on
Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise, How do you think the show has changed?
Speaker 1: And would you come on now in this time where
Speaker 1: social media is more present than ever? Um, we were
Speaker 1: at a wedding this weekend for JJ Lane, who was
Speaker 1: on our season, was on Caitlin season of The Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: and we had this joke with Kris Pukowski, who was
Speaker 1: I guess also kind of like of our generation, and
Speaker 1: he was like, I call our age the golden age
Speaker 1: of the Bachelor. It was the time where people signed
Speaker 1: up having not known the financial benefits of being on
Speaker 1: the show, actually because there was no financial benefits back then.
Speaker 1: When we signed up, there was truly like you were
Speaker 1: on TV for a season, and before Paradise there wasn't
Speaker 1: another season you could really be on and um, your
Speaker 1: time was over once you got off the show. So,
Speaker 1: you know, the most we thought we would get out
Speaker 1: of it is well, there was the chance of ending
Speaker 1: up with somebody in the very end, although that very slim. Um.
Speaker 1: And then there was just like self growth, making friends, traveling.
Speaker 1: We didn't know like these crazy opportunities that would be
Speaker 1: coming our way. Yeah, I mean I would still do
Speaker 1: it today too, they asked me. I think it was
Speaker 1: my mindset would and have changed, um because at the time,
Speaker 1: the reason I said yes to the show is because
Speaker 1: I knew I would have always regretted it if I
Speaker 1: said no. It's just so much more pop culture e
Speaker 1: Now it's crazy. You know, there's all these fantasy leagues
Speaker 1: and it's Bachelor's so ingrained in our pop culture now,
Speaker 1: I think it's more so than I've ever seen it before.
Speaker 1: It just gets bigger and bigger. I'm always so fascinated
Speaker 1: by that. Like, what is that environment like when you
Speaker 1: guys for either side you're surrounded by a bunch of
Speaker 1: people I'm not talking about in Paradise, but the bachelor
Speaker 1: of the bacherette, and you're kind of competing to be
Speaker 1: with someone. What is that environment like with the other contestants.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you just have to compartmentalize um
Speaker 1: or do your best to do so. You have to
Speaker 1: understand what you signed up for that it is at
Speaker 1: the end of the day TV show that you were
Speaker 1: surrounded by producers and cameras that are trying to make
Speaker 1: an entertainment product, and so I think a lot of
Speaker 1: guys just forget that. A lot of at least on
Speaker 1: my season, there are a lot of guys that would
Speaker 1: get mad at producers when they said, hey, you know
Speaker 1: you can't see her right now. They're like, well, I
Speaker 1: want to talk to her right now, and it's like,
Speaker 1: well you can't. And then they were like, well this
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous, Like you're telling me what I can
Speaker 1: or cannot do. And in my head, I was like,
Speaker 1: what did you think was going to happen? Did you
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna come on Bachelorette and just do
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you want to do talk to her
Speaker 1: whenever you wanted to talk to her? Are you insane?
Speaker 1: And so that's great. I just never understood that that
Speaker 1: would struss me out, Like being in that kind of
Speaker 1: environment the entire time, and Bachelor in Paradise it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like you go for who you want and
Speaker 1: all of that. Bachelor Pardus is a little bit more
Speaker 1: like free willing. You have a little bit more independence.
Speaker 1: You're not on camera like all the time you are,
Speaker 1: and you aren't like you don't have a big camera
Speaker 1: in front of your face all the time. Um, but
Speaker 1: it's just as stressful. It's actually I found it to
Speaker 1: be far more stressful because you can never just relax.
Speaker 1: You always have like a threat about to come in. Like,
Speaker 1: even if you make it through this week and the
Speaker 1: person that you want chooses to do that week, like
Speaker 1: you never know who's going to walk down the stairs
Speaker 1: and steal them away. Yeah, well you you said, Um,
Speaker 1: I think in an interview that you're like, you were
Speaker 1: a character of yourself on Bachelom Paradise, a caricature because
Speaker 1: they you were kind of made out to be the
Speaker 1: crying virgin. But I mean I was a crying virgin,
Speaker 1: but like that's what they that's what they emphasized you as,
Speaker 1: and that's how you were somewhat known for that. So
Speaker 1: when that became what you were known for, were you
Speaker 1: shocked how much that show emphasized that and did you
Speaker 1: expect that kind of reaction from the public. Um. I
Speaker 1: think it's always kind of fascinating to me that the
Speaker 1: show just is constantly seemingly thinking that virgins are some
Speaker 1: unique unicorns. Yeah, that you don't like to find that often,
Speaker 1: like they emphasis it's like you've had a virgin on
Speaker 1: for like every season in the past five seasons, Like
Speaker 1: obviously it's not that unique, so like, just get over
Speaker 1: concentrating so much on that. And I actually feel like
Speaker 1: this season with Madison's it's such like a moral thing
Speaker 1: with her, it's a religious thing that it's coming up now,
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem like something they've been fascinated with
Speaker 1: over the past couple of weeks, you know. When that
Speaker 1: happened with your season, I found it really interesting because, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like high school in that way.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people focus on the peer
Speaker 1: pressures of what you should and shouldn't do, So like,
Speaker 1: how how did you get through high school and college?
Speaker 1: Like that? Because I'm a junior in high school and
Speaker 1: it's it's a constant subject and I don't think it
Speaker 1: should be, So how did you do it? I didn't
Speaker 1: become really comfortable talking about it until I was on
Speaker 1: The Bachelor, so I don't really know. I mean, high school,
Speaker 1: like most of my friends are virgins in high school.
Speaker 1: Most most of my friends didn't didn't have sex until
Speaker 1: they were in like mid college years. But I know
Speaker 1: that's probably like way above the national average or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I just never elt pressure in that case. And
Speaker 1: the Jonas brothers, you know, they were, they're great road
Speaker 1: balls at the time we earrings. Yeah, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not alone like those guys in my same boat.
Speaker 1: I know, you like signed up for it technically, but
Speaker 1: is it weird having like the entire world like know
Speaker 1: your love life and know who you're dating or if
Speaker 1: you got rejected or if you're rejecting someone, Like, is
Speaker 1: it weird having the entire world know so much about
Speaker 1: you when you don't know anything about them. No, it's
Speaker 1: very normal. I don't even know. I know you're being sarcastic,
Speaker 1: but it really never faced me, really, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I've always just liked attention. It never faced me in
Speaker 1: the moment, you know, when we were down filming, you
Speaker 1: just try to, you know, stick to your gut and
Speaker 1: hopefully make the right decision. But of course afterwards, when
Speaker 1: it started airing, I would think about it a lot
Speaker 1: more because then everybody else started chiming in with their
Speaker 1: perspective on what I should or should not have done.
Speaker 1: The Passion in Paradise. Just watching it, it's like an
Speaker 1: emotional roller coaster. So I cannot imagine being a part
Speaker 1: of it. So when I know actually said it was
Speaker 1: love at first sight when you saw Jared, When Jared
Speaker 1: did you realize, you're like, oh, like I got to
Speaker 1: get her out of the friend zone. According to his vows,
Speaker 1: it was also at first sight. I know, I know beauty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think when I first saw actually there
Speaker 1: was definitely a connection there that I was struck by. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm also as actually knows a very stubborn and
Speaker 1: um uh adamant person to stick into my ways, and
Speaker 1: so you know, I think that was a big deterrent.
Speaker 1: But uh, and then our love just grew over time,
Speaker 1: uh you know, as we were becoming closer and closer friends.
Speaker 1: So it's really hard to pinpoint, but of course I
Speaker 1: would say when I first saw it was a good
Speaker 1: place to start. And I think, honestly, which is why
Speaker 1: a lot of bachelor uh couples fail is because you know,
Speaker 1: you leave this show and you get thrown at so
Speaker 1: many opportunities and like that's your brand, right, You're you're
Speaker 1: branded as as a couple, and so I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people just spend so much time together and
Speaker 1: they don't develop a strong enough foundation. So at times
Speaker 1: you know, it just becomes so top heavy that at
Speaker 1: certain points and just crumbles. I think Actuley and I
Speaker 1: became very lucky in hindsight, um that we developed such
Speaker 1: a strong friendship beforehand that we really know how to
Speaker 1: handle each other. She knows how to handle me better
Speaker 1: than anybody in this world, and I think I have
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of how to approach ashually in
Speaker 1: certain times of attention or sadness. So if there is
Speaker 1: another Bachelor show where bachelor couples had to come on,
Speaker 1: what do you do? We say that that they should
Speaker 1: do this all the time. I don't know how they
Speaker 1: haven't done it yet. It's really bizarre, especially with all
Speaker 1: the spin offs that they're doing. To have this coming summer,
Speaker 1: the Summer Games and Bachelor in Paradise and have them
Speaker 1: both be for singles is like kind of mind boggling,
Speaker 1: and like shows like some sort of like I don't know,
Speaker 1: sounds bad, like a lack of creativity, especially when their
Speaker 1: bachelor couples are the ones with the big followings and
Speaker 1: that people always want to have updates on. If you
Speaker 1: end up doing a number of shows and you keep
Speaker 1: ending up single, like people do, kind of lose interest. Okay,
Speaker 1: So if there was a show, what do we think
Speaker 1: would happen? Would it be like couples doing things that
Speaker 1: would test their relationship? I think that the strength, So
Speaker 1: what kind of I don't think I think that would be.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be tasteful And that would
Speaker 1: be like a little bit. It isn't like called like
Speaker 1: tempt isn't temptation island like that. I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 1: I think it should be like an amazing race thing
Speaker 1: where it's like the couples together show their strengths in
Speaker 1: like how they work together as a team to accomplish mission.
Speaker 1: You should pitch it. I would watch that. We've been
Speaker 1: down that road before. We did a digital series called
Speaker 1: What Now with us Tanner, Jade, and Nick, which was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a look into the world after
Speaker 1: reality TV, and um, we're very proud of it. And
Speaker 1: I think it's a very interesting concept because I mean
Speaker 1: from the number of times that people just ask us,
Speaker 1: you know, what's life after the show? And you know
Speaker 1: Instagram and you're what we do for a living now? Um,
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty interesting. So you guys do, like
Speaker 1: you said, you guys work from home, and you do
Speaker 1: social media and you do other partnerships. Um, I'm always
Speaker 1: curious in like the behind the scenes of things. What
Speaker 1: is that process like to kind of develop yourself as
Speaker 1: an influencer and create a brand around social media. The
Speaker 1: people that follow Ashley and I are following us because
Speaker 1: they either liked Ashley or they liked me, or they
Speaker 1: like us together. It's an extension of what they saw
Speaker 1: on the show. So I think it's really hard for
Speaker 1: us to pinpoint, you know, I mean, what people want
Speaker 1: to see from us is more us. I know that
Speaker 1: sounds very self indulgent, but it's true. It's true. If
Speaker 1: I post about things that I that I'm passionate about,
Speaker 1: you know, people don't really care as much. But then
Speaker 1: I post a video of Ashley farting, and people lose
Speaker 1: their minds. People loved it last week. It was like
Speaker 1: it very lucky. I can post that stuff all the time,
Speaker 1: you know. But I think it's also because they follow us.
Speaker 1: It's probably a lot of people who are in relationships
Speaker 1: who are invested in our relationship that you know, they relate, right,
Speaker 1: they relate to our relationships. So they see Ashley farting,
Speaker 1: They're like Oh my god, I fart too. Yea, you
Speaker 1: ask a question that truly like we ask ourselves sometimes
Speaker 1: because we don't even know what people want to see,
Speaker 1: and we throw things out there and it's always a
Speaker 1: test to see what works and what doesn't work. Apparently
Speaker 1: parting does work, but it's really authenticity. The more you show, um,
Speaker 1: the more content that is relatable that you put out there,
Speaker 1: the more you're gonna see feedback, positive feedback. Do you
Speaker 1: think you would be where you are now if it
Speaker 1: weren't for your experience on the Bachelor and making to
Speaker 1: each other? No, I'm s no, not at all. Um.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I'd be doing, to be honest.
Speaker 1: I mean I graduated from Syracuse to my masters before
Speaker 1: the year before being on the show, and I would
Speaker 1: be doing something in media, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: it would be on the camera, behind the camera, in
Speaker 1: social media, no idea. Jared would probably be still working
Speaker 1: in the restaurant industry. Um. Yeah, I mean the Bachelor
Speaker 1: gave us a platform, um, and so that's what really
Speaker 1: started at all for us was that platform, and then
Speaker 1: everything just started snowballing. Do you guys have any like
Speaker 1: hobbies that people don't know about. That would possibly be
Speaker 1: another career for you or just you doing your free time. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that'd be a possibly another good career.
Speaker 1: Jared just like he loves playing sports as much as
Speaker 1: he can. Yeah, he part He's just joined a new
Speaker 1: just recreation. Yeah, it is fun. I haven't played in
Speaker 1: a long time and I missed playing. Um so I
Speaker 1: just signed up for Lead by myself and it's been
Speaker 1: fun to play. Me some friends, meet some friends. So
Speaker 1: I love playing sports. It's my probably my biggest hobby.
Speaker 1: And if I were to consider it a hobby, like,
Speaker 1: I'm just really into food. Um, I really like cooking.
Speaker 1: Um we use our fresh possa maker every week, and
Speaker 1: it sounds I mean like that's as much of a
Speaker 1: hobby as I can. Yeah, I mean like I love
Speaker 1: beauty stuff. I love skin care. And if I were
Speaker 1: to go yeah, if I were to go back and
Speaker 1: do it again and not be on the show, I
Speaker 1: mean I love media as well, but um, I would
Speaker 1: definitely wonder which path that would take, whether it be
Speaker 1: media or whether it would be der dermo you know, wow, dermatology,
Speaker 1: or whether it be dermatology. Yeah, it's it's that kind
Speaker 1: of day. It's a Monday. I have this partnership with
Speaker 1: dermal Logica, and I was like, I can't get the
Speaker 1: word dermatology in my head and get the word dermal
Speaker 1: logica out of it. It's another hobby of Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: is that is movies and TV hobby? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I'm very into it. I mean, like a movie critic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I know a lot about
Speaker 1: the film industry. UM, Like a goal of mine would
Speaker 1: be to make a movie, so which I'm actively working on. UM.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I definitely I think that would be
Speaker 1: described as a hobby to what is your favorite top
Speaker 1: three movies for both of you? And I'm looking for
Speaker 1: new TV shows, so if you have any recommendations. So
Speaker 1: I was actually just thinking about that, not tvent movies
Speaker 1: my my favorite movies because uh, it fluctuates. UM. But
Speaker 1: I always say The Social Network is my favorite movie,
Speaker 1: and I think at the end of the day, it
Speaker 1: probably is because it's a movie that I could watch
Speaker 1: two forty seven times straight and still not get tired of. UM.
Speaker 1: And I think it's very specific. Yes, I think it's
Speaker 1: just a masterpiece in filmmaking. And then probably my top three,
Speaker 1: as random as this is going to be, and it's
Speaker 1: obviously my own opinion, but my favorite three movies or
Speaker 1: Social Network, the Superman, the movie with Christopher Reef, and
Speaker 1: then The Matrix because I think The Matrix again, uh,
Speaker 1: might be one of the greatest films ever made. And
Speaker 1: I'm definitely dating myself. Were you what you were? You
Speaker 1: born two thousand two, But don't hate me. I've never
Speaker 1: seen any of those movies, but I'm going to tonight.
Speaker 1: I promise you you were and you can watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can watch a social network. I don't know how much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean social network obviously is that you'll you'll enjoy Facebook.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you were ten when it came out. So
Speaker 1: it starts Jesse Eisenberg Andrew Garfield justin timber Lake and
Speaker 1: it's the story of creation of Facebook. It's fascinating. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. It was she was
Speaker 1: eight eight wo um. Yeah. My favorite movie it's Titanic.
Speaker 1: Titanic is my top favorite movie, and then everything else.
Speaker 1: I can't rank. I don't think I can rank, but
Speaker 1: I can throw the names out. Um, Pretty Woman, the
Speaker 1: Wedding Planner when Harry met Sally, Jerry McGuire, my big
Speaker 1: Greek rom Common big Gyboding would be up there that high. Um,
Speaker 1: The Star Is Born, The Greatest Showman m one of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all times that I think is
Speaker 1: so underrated is crazy stupid love. Oh, Jared's is with
Speaker 1: Jared's top five, I would say top ten. That movie
Speaker 1: was probably the reason I was on the bachelorte. Wait really, yeah,
Speaker 1: just wanted to be. I wanted to be. I watched
Speaker 1: that movie in my room at my parents house. Were
Speaker 1: you eleven? Yeah, uh something like that. Yeah. The point
Speaker 1: of the story is I watched that movie and immediately
Speaker 1: afterwards I was like, I need to get a new wardrobe,
Speaker 1: and so I went to uh, oh my god. I
Speaker 1: went to the only the classiest place in the Warwick mall,
Speaker 1: J C. Penny, and bought some new wardrobes. Lovely, did
Speaker 1: you dress like Ryan Gosling? I draw a very low
Speaker 1: budget version of Ryan Gosling, but oh yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I started drinking old fashions and uh I would uh
Speaker 1: remember actively like practicing my pickup lines for girls at
Speaker 1: bars because he was just so suave where he's like,
Speaker 1: you know you're doing this thing. What's your pickup line?
Speaker 1: What was key? Of course if you had if you
Speaker 1: had to pick a blind what were they? So my
Speaker 1: what I did? It's so so if I was at
Speaker 1: a bar and I saw a girl that I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you, it's very funny you can talk
Speaker 1: about Obviously I didn't, so I don't have a move.
Speaker 1: But I just Ashley knows this. There are times when
Speaker 1: I can be very very insecure and be very down
Speaker 1: on myself. But I also find that if I'm comfortable,
Speaker 1: I can be also very confident in myself. And so
Speaker 1: I remember, like at bars, I would be very confident.
Speaker 1: I remember I would I would project confidence and I
Speaker 1: would like I would always like and then a girl
Speaker 1: would come up to him and be like, keep like
Speaker 1: never mind, no, no, no, that would come later what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and so, but I would always try to
Speaker 1: make eye contact, uh in like very subtle ways, and
Speaker 1: always be smiling, and it would always be like that
Speaker 1: weird like and then I'd always make sure I was
Speaker 1: kind of like around like if I finally like I
Speaker 1: could feel like some sort of chemistry between a girl
Speaker 1: and myself at the bar, I always make sure I
Speaker 1: was around for a little while, kind of like build
Speaker 1: upon it, and then I would, Um, I mean sometimes
Speaker 1: I go over. Most of the times, I'd never go over.
Speaker 1: I would honestly wait for the girl to come over
Speaker 1: to me. I'm such a loser. Jared's definitely that kind.
Speaker 1: I had to go after him forever and so but
Speaker 1: I still have to go after him even our marriage.
Speaker 1: But luckily sometimes I would come over. But then uh,
Speaker 1: sometimes I would go over and um, I would I would.
Speaker 1: There would be no pickup line, no nothing. It would
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, what's up from Jared. I would
Speaker 1: try to just I can't imagine this, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I know you, like any time a girl started showing interest,
Speaker 1: then that's when I would back off, and then they
Speaker 1: would want me more. Because so why I had such
Speaker 1: a difficult time on the show, and such a guy
Speaker 1: who loves playing hard to get it's and then it's
Speaker 1: just like I want something, and once I get it,
Speaker 1: I'm like all right, cool. On the next I guess okay,
Speaker 1: But then by the end, you actually played hard to
Speaker 1: get and you got her, So what did you do?
Speaker 1: What did you do? I became that smiley confident every
Speaker 1: time I would see Ashley or any time I would
Speaker 1: talk to Ashley, I would be, you know, constantly reminding myself,
Speaker 1: um that you can't, like it's gonna sound very dumb,
Speaker 1: but like you can do this, because I think there's
Speaker 1: again actually knows this. I think there's just I can
Speaker 1: get in long stretches of of self pity and just
Speaker 1: wanting to be like in my room by myself, not
Speaker 1: talking to anybody and insecure. But yeah, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: can relate to that. Um. So I think I also
Speaker 1: am capable of being very confident and attractive and charismatic
Speaker 1: and charming. Um And so I think I was just
Speaker 1: constantly trying to remind myself of be that guy. Be
Speaker 1: that guy, because you can be that guy. And if
Speaker 1: you're that guy, she's gonna want to be with that guy.
Speaker 1: But if you're the self pity and security arried, she's
Speaker 1: not gonna want to be with him. And so I
Speaker 1: think I was just constantly reminded myself of that and
Speaker 1: putting on the like a little bit of facade, which
Speaker 1: is also what I did for The Bachelor ret just
Speaker 1: put on a facade. I I don't preach this to anybody.
Speaker 1: I this is how I just do it for myself.
Speaker 1: I'm able to mask a lot of things pretty well.
Speaker 1: He always warned me. He was like, just letting you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm crazy in here. You just see the best
Speaker 1: part of me. This is before we were like like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be with me, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: And she's like, you're insane. I was like, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but you don't know how insane. And then I and
Speaker 1: then I married him, but I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: you are insane. But like that's what's so interesting. So
Speaker 1: how do you when you're in those moments, how do
Speaker 1: you get out of your your own head? Because that's
Speaker 1: something that I deal with two And I'm always looking
Speaker 1: for tips. I think perspective is always a good thing
Speaker 1: to remember, uh and try to uh step outside your
Speaker 1: own body, in your own mind and look at your
Speaker 1: situation as an outsider and then you realize, ah, wow,
Speaker 1: it's really not so bad. And then also, um, you know,
Speaker 1: picture you're what you're going through. Picture if your friend
Speaker 1: was going through that, and what would you tell them
Speaker 1: to do. Because everybody can give great advice is just
Speaker 1: whether you can actually practice it. Or not. So I
Speaker 1: think that's another good tool and be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if you know, if Stephanie was going through the exact
Speaker 1: same situation I was going through, what would I be
Speaker 1: telling her to do? And then try to practice that
Speaker 1: um And then also again, uh, practice being confident. Just
Speaker 1: like anything in life, you have to practice it. You know,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't come naturally. I don't believe that. I
Speaker 1: don't think good uh, you know, positive mindsets and confidence.
Speaker 1: I don't think that comes natural way to people. I
Speaker 1: think you have to practice it, just like any skill.
Speaker 1: Jared is good at, like giving advice to like get
Speaker 1: yourself like out of a hole, and I am like
Speaker 1: good at projecting like a whole lifetime. See, but like
Speaker 1: that's why you guys work. That's that's true. But the
Speaker 1: bachel has been happening, like we talked about, and I'm
Speaker 1: curious what your take is just on this season. I
Speaker 1: have found it to be an entertaining season that has
Speaker 1: given me a lot of material to talk about. So
Speaker 1: to me, it's been a good season because I had
Speaker 1: to talk about The Bachelor as part of some of
Speaker 1: my jobs, So there hasn't been much I've never been
Speaker 1: struggling to find content to speak about. I think Peter
Speaker 1: has been uh an interesting bachelor. I think Peter it
Speaker 1: seems like a really, really nice guy, and I honestly
Speaker 1: wish him the best. I sometimes wonder if maybe he
Speaker 1: was in over his head a little bit with being
Speaker 1: the bachelor, um, which I'm sure a lot of this
Speaker 1: would be. I can't the people who would get cast
Speaker 1: as a lead would probably be in over their head.
Speaker 1: I think we've been very lucky that guys like Ben
Speaker 1: or I would I would say Nick, I'd say even Coulton.
Speaker 1: I think Coulton was ready for the moment um. And so, yeah,
Speaker 1: Peter looks a little uh wide eyes sometimes, you know
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't know if I'm doing the
Speaker 1: right thing, which I can't blame him. He's day girls.
Speaker 1: At the same time, it's an overwhelming thing. It is overwhelming.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that, like more people haven't been in Peter's shoes.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of leads have handled themselves
Speaker 1: surprisingly well. Yeah, let me clarify. I was talking about
Speaker 1: having a lot of content to talk about. I think
Speaker 1: I say that because so many people have had flak
Speaker 1: for this season. So many people having criticizing him and
Speaker 1: the quality of his cast. I think there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of good drama to talk about. I think that
Speaker 1: as a fan base, people have issues with a lot
Speaker 1: of Peter's decision making, especially with everything going on with Madison.
Speaker 1: Curious what your perspective on it, because that was a
Speaker 1: huge controversy. Jared and I both agree that if he
Speaker 1: really respected his relationship enough with with Madison, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gone on and slept with Victoria and Ann. And
Speaker 1: it's just like, basically in him deciding, in him deciding
Speaker 1: to sleep with the other two girls, he was willing
Speaker 1: to raisk his relationship with Maddie. Do you think, okay,
Speaker 1: do you think it would affect his decision or change
Speaker 1: his decision if she had told him that she was
Speaker 1: waiting till marriage. So I asked him that at Women
Speaker 1: Tell All. I asked him that question afterward, and he said,
Speaker 1: it may have. I don't I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: sure it would have. But here's the thing, here's what
Speaker 1: it all boils down to. Madison told him before the
Speaker 1: fantasy swedes. Yeah, it doesn't really mean I didn't want
Speaker 1: him sleeping with other people because it would have affected
Speaker 1: their relationship. And it doesn't really matter why she asked
Speaker 1: that question. I mean, it matters a little bit why
Speaker 1: she asked that, but I mean she still asked, right,
Speaker 1: and so she didn't tell him she was a virgin.
Speaker 1: She probably should have. But if Peter knew it was
Speaker 1: going to be Madison at that point, why would you
Speaker 1: sleep with the other two women? If she asked so,
Speaker 1: either he didn't think it was going to be Madison,
Speaker 1: he thought he could get away with it, or he
Speaker 1: thought he could get away with it, or he just
Speaker 1: didn't care or didn't want to abide by her wishes,
Speaker 1: which I'm not saying is right or wrong, because if
Speaker 1: you reverse that, and if it was just solely based
Speaker 1: on her asking him not sleep with other women, that
Speaker 1: is similar to what happened with Hannah and Luke. No,
Speaker 1: obviously the situation is completely different. You can't really compare
Speaker 1: the two because their reasons are are very different. Um.
Speaker 1: Because well, because Madison Madison came from a place more
Speaker 1: of their approach and less behind Um. Yes, true, it
Speaker 1: was so much their approach because Madison didn't want to judge,
Speaker 1: and she said, like listen, hey, it wasn't say, but
Speaker 1: the fact is, like, and here's the other thing. So
Speaker 1: I also, I've also heard this the fact that Peter
Speaker 1: slept with the other two women because he just didn't know.
Speaker 1: He didn't know who he was going to pick at
Speaker 1: that point. And a couple of things kind of mind. One,
Speaker 1: do you really need to have sex with someone in
Speaker 1: order to know if you're going to pick them or not,
Speaker 1: Like you can have a pretty good gauge on the
Speaker 1: sexual tention you're gonna have with someone without actually having sex.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's my opinion. I could be wrong
Speaker 1: on that one. And then also, if going into the
Speaker 1: final three you truly, truly, truly don't know have an
Speaker 1: equal amount of feelings, don't sleep with any of them,
Speaker 1: don't sleep without them, And I got news for you,
Speaker 1: you're not ready to get engaged in a week. Also,
Speaker 1: it's gonna bite you in the butt if you do
Speaker 1: sleep with one of any of the three women, if
Speaker 1: you sleep with multiple, if you sleep with a woman
Speaker 1: the fantasy suites that you don't end up engaged to,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have problems after the show. So Maddie made
Speaker 1: make it seem like they're going to have problems continuing
Speaker 1: the show. But like ask anyone who slept with multiple
Speaker 1: people in the fantasies week before, like six days before
Speaker 1: getting engaged, they have issues because it's like, why did
Speaker 1: you sleep with that person if you knew it was
Speaker 1: going to be me. Yeah, that's a good point. I think.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible to be in love with
Speaker 1: three different women because that's what he said, or do
Speaker 1: you think it's just infatuation. I think it's infatuation too.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something funny. So apparently when we were
Speaker 1: doing the post interviews, um after a Woman Tell All,
Speaker 1: he told me in Access Hollywood that he didn't know
Speaker 1: who he was going to pick going into Fantasy Suits
Speaker 1: week and then five minutes earlier he told Lauren Zema
Speaker 1: and Entertainment to that his front runner from week four
Speaker 1: continued to beat his front runner throughout the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. Huh yeah, so interesting kind of talking to
Speaker 1: him outside both ends of his mouth there. But I
Speaker 1: also Jared says, I mean, Peter is a very sweet,
Speaker 1: wonderful guy. He's probably too sweet for this process. Well,
Speaker 1: it must be so emotionally draining because you're have an
Speaker 1: emotional connection with all of these people and then you
Speaker 1: have to decide in a week if you're going to
Speaker 1: marry them. That's good TV, though, I will say it
Speaker 1: is great tv, no two ways about that one. Yep. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming on my podcast.
Speaker 1: It really means a lot, and I know how busy
Speaker 1: you guys are, so thank you, Thank you, thank you
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