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Speaker 1: It's now officially open. This is Draft Season. John Smelt

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Speaker 1: Tony Pauline with you. It's all brought to you by Moody's,

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Speaker 1: can find all his work over at sports Kita. Folks,

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Speaker 1: if you missed it, go back to our previous episode.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the college football playoffs. We talk about

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Speaker 1: the players at the Shrine game. We're recording this a

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Speaker 1: week before it airs. It's gonna air on the last

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Speaker 1: Monday in January. We were recording it the week prior,

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Speaker 1: so just note some of the players we talk about

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Speaker 1: be participating. They might be players we don't mention that

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Speaker 1: the National Championship Game. So just keep that in mind

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Speaker 1: moving forward. The video will just be the Senior Bowl preview.

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Speaker 1: end of this which will probably be twenty minutes or

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Speaker 1: so of Tony and I breaking down what we saw

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Speaker 1: at Shrine Bowl practice over the weekend. That's obviously not

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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, and Tony and I will talk about that,

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Speaker 1: and that'll be on the audio version of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: and it'll be with you at the very end of

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Speaker 1: this episode. But for today, we're gonna preview the Senior

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Speaker 1: Ball and Tony I think last year, I believe it

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Speaker 1: was a record ten Senior Bowl participants went in the

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Speaker 1: first round of the NFL Draft. Given the nature of

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Speaker 1: this class and how many people are showing up to

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl in order to try to secure their

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Speaker 1: ten this year. To be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot to be excited about.

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Speaker 2: You look at some of the quarterbacks. You look at

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Speaker 1: end of this, Tony, I'm gonna ask you how many

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna tell me who and which guys from

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Speaker 1: Nike note as we go I will test you at

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Speaker 1: the end of the podcast with that question. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's start the quarterbacks, and it's headlined by your guy,

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Speaker 1: Jamn Milroe out of Alabama. Riley Leonard, Will Howard are

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Speaker 1: supposed to be there. Just a really good group. You

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Speaker 1: have Jackson Dark from Ole, miss He's exciting. We talked

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Speaker 2: Starting with Jaylen Milroe, who I think could be gone

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Speaker 2: would have never thought it, but leaving the Senior Ball,

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Speaker 2: Although I think he's going you'll do a good job there,

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Speaker 2: And then Jackson Dart. I mean, here's a guy a

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, You've been doing this a lot longer

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Speaker 1: than me, But this, to me is easily the best

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll start with the You know, it's it's very unusual.

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Speaker 2: And I've been on the senior ball since two thousand,

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Speaker 2: It's very unusual for a running back to make a

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Speaker 2: I think I love his overall game. I would want

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Speaker 2: Also watch how many times he makes defenders miss. And

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Speaker 2: see if he's running with good leaning behind his pads

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Speaker 1: All Right. The three other guys I want to touch on,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the pass catches here, Tony

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Speaker 1: But he's a guy that's willing to play physical, Like

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Speaker 1: Well one title that speed is not a question in

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Speaker 1: he's probably he might be the fastest tight end in

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Speaker 2: Rande Gotson a type gy gats and we spoke about

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Speaker 2: watch your Royal. I mean, is he able to hold

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Speaker 1: All right, who else the tight end juked out of

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Speaker 2: I like Thomas Madone of Nebraska. Here's a guy who

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Speaker 2: I think with Dan, you want to see at Hawes,

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Speaker 1: All Right, there's a couple of tight ends. I want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, I mean third tight

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again he is bigger size. He's two fifty

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Speaker 2: Then he could be a number one, you know, like

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Speaker 2: receiver on the depth. He's a good bet late in

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Speaker 2: the draft.

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Speaker 1: A couple other guys I want to mention Tony We've

434
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Speaker 1: talked about Xavier Erstreppo a bunch really classic, tough, yeah,

435
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,679
Speaker 1: outrunner slot, not super fast, but he's gonna be a

436
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,680
Speaker 1: really good pro Tesz Johnson, who's like the opposite. He's

437
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Speaker 1: like the super small, super fast speed guy on the outside.

438
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Speaker 1: I think he was listened one hundred and sixty pounds

439
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 1: or something like that. So those two guys, and then

440
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Speaker 1: I watched it two Iowa state wide receivers last week,

441
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Speaker 1: and I think they're interesting. You know, Jayon Higgins is

442
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,159
Speaker 1: that bigger guy, but he's he gets over the middle,

443
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Speaker 1: good hands, doesn't drop anything, a lot of hand catches

444
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Speaker 1: in there. And then as a slot guy where Jaylen

445
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,000
Speaker 1: Nowell played most of the time, He's got some juice. Man,

446
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 1: He's a vertical slot. He's not one of these shifty

447
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 1: like guys. That you know, runs back and forth and

448
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 1: changes direction, but he's got over the top speed. There's

449
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Speaker 1: a lot of big plays on that tape for him.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they work well together, complimentary, you know, sort of

451
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Speaker 2: like Johio State running backs. As we talked about in

452
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Speaker 2: the past. I love Rispestro from Miami. I mean, here's

453
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Speaker 2: a guy who you talk about rout running, you talking

454
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Speaker 2: about the hands. He's also on the same page as

455
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Speaker 2: his quarterback was with cam Ward last year, so he

456
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Speaker 2: basically knew what Camboard was doing, knew when he had

457
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Speaker 2: to come back to the ball, knew when he had

458
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Speaker 2: to go across the field. Small, not a big guy,

459
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Speaker 2: but he's not going to back down the challenge and

460
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 2: always finds a way to separate. See how he does

461
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Speaker 2: in those press coverage drills if they do if they

462
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Speaker 2: played press coverage, is he able to separate? He's going

463
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Speaker 2: to catch everything that's throwing in his direction.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with him, all right. Let's jump over to

465
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. Tony and a lot of guys in

466
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Speaker 1: this list that we're gonna play multiple positions and see

467
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Speaker 1: where scouts like him.

468
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Speaker 2: A lot of guys that could go first round. I mean,

469
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Speaker 2: you talk about Jonash seven, a of Arizona. You talk

470
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Speaker 2: about multiple positions. Is he guards, he tackle? He's a

471
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Speaker 2: terrific offensive lineman who could go first round. I don't

472
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Speaker 2: have him there yet, but we'll see what happens. Emery Jones,

473
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Speaker 2: who I mentioned during the under or underclassman preview, a

474
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Speaker 2: guy who coming in the twenty twenty four season was

475
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Speaker 2: rated right there with Will Campbell.

476
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Speaker 1: But I watched him last week. He had hit a

477
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Speaker 1: rough year over there.

478
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Speaker 2: Right tackle for that absolutely, I mean, has shown the ability,

479
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: good pass protection skills, a lot of strengths. Got to

480
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: get his game back on track. He's gonna have to

481
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Speaker 2: play really well for the Senior Bawl. He'll continue to

482
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Speaker 2: tumble down draft boards. Anthony Belton, the athletic left tackle

483
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Speaker 2: for North Carolina State. You want to talk about inconsistency.

484
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: I mean Belton was a guy who entering the twenty

485
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Speaker 2: twenty three season scouts thought was a top sixty pick.

486
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Speaker 2: The consistency is not there. He's all over the place.

487
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Speaker 2: I mean the decent fundamentals, but lacks balance. He needs

488
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Speaker 2: a big week. Josh Connelly, who I've spoken about at length.

489
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Speaker 2: I really love his game. Is he a left tackle.

490
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Speaker 2: Is he a guard. He's a real good blocker who's

491
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Speaker 2: gonna be real good in his own system. We'll see

492
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Speaker 2: how he does against those bigger defensive ends, not the

493
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Speaker 2: speed guys. And speed guys, I'm not worried about what Connorley.

494
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Speaker 2: It's the bigger, stronger guys. Marcus Embo of Purdue, who

495
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 2: is an incredibly athletic right tackle. Think Lane Johnson and

496
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Speaker 2: that sort of realm. So the guy who is so athletic,

497
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Speaker 2: he's got such good footwork at right tackle, you think

498
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Speaker 2: you can put him on the left side. It's got

499
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Speaker 2: to improve his strengthen to point of attack. And then

500
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Speaker 2: Wyatt Miller, who I not sold on Wyant Milham yet.

501
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Speaker 2: A lot of people think he's a first round pick.

502
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Speaker 2: Will wait and see what happens. A big week for

503
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Speaker 2: him at left tackle when he goes up against those

504
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Speaker 2: speed rushers, who will talk about can he shut them down?

505
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Speaker 1: One guy you didn't mention on your list here, Tony

506
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Speaker 1: is armand Membo.

507
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, No.

508
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Speaker 1: That's okay. I watched him last week, and you know

509
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: there are guys where you wonder can he I'm not

510
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: sure if he could play tackle. That guy is walk

511
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Speaker 1: in right tackle for me that you feel good about.

512
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Speaker 1: Playing very solid, you know, no traits that like super

513
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: jump off the page to you, to me, but you

514
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: just watch him. He blocks everybody. He just doesn't get

515
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Speaker 1: beat a lot.

516
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Speaker 2: The thing with Membo is does he have the height

517
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Speaker 2: to play tackle, because he's estimated to come at about

518
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Speaker 2: six foot three. Now, we'll have to wait and see

519
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Speaker 2: what he officially is, you know, at the senior ball.

520
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: But I agree with you. I mean, he is powerful,

521
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: he's explosive, he's strong. He's also not bad on his feet.

522
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Speaker 2: He'll get out to the second level and he shows

523
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: some ability, blocking, emotion, a well rounded game regardless of

524
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Speaker 2: whether it's tackle or guard. He's gonna be a good

525
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Speaker 2: starting NFL offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. All right, let's jump over to

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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball here. But first a

528
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Speaker 1: let's again go to the defensive side of the ball here,

532
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Speaker 1: Tony and that offensive line is gonna have their hands

533
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Speaker 1: full because I said about the running back class, this

534
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Speaker 1: is as good of a defensive front, defensive line class

535
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Speaker 1: I think we've had here in a while. I don't

536
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Speaker 1: know if you want to separate them tackles and edge guys.

537
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Speaker 1: Do this however you want. Because you have I think

538
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Speaker 1: eleven on your list, I have another five online. It

539
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Speaker 1: is a great, great, great, great group. You might have

540
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Speaker 1: four or five first round picks just from this group

541
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Speaker 1: of players.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the edge guys first. Donovan is

543
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Speaker 2: it Ruka of Boston College, who we talked about, an

544
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Speaker 2: incredibly high intensity type of defensive lineman, pass rusher to

545
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Speaker 2: give his effort against the run, makes plays not just

546
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Speaker 2: up the field but laterally.

547
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Speaker 1: I mean he's plays like people want to see pressures

548
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: in sacks. He's gone him like there's proof of concept there.

549
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Speaker 1: He's a productive player.

550
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Speaker 2: I think what it was sixteen sacks and twenty one

551
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: TFLs this year off the top of my head for him.

552
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Speaker 2: You know, the thing with him is can he make

553
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: plays in reverse? How does he do? Did they use

554
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: him in coverage shields? And how does he do? If

555
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Speaker 2: he does well, his draft stock is going to take

556
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Speaker 2: off Mike Green, who I spoke about on this podcast

557
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: back in October. Another very athletic, probably more athletic than

558
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Speaker 2: is isra Ruka from Boston College in the sense that

559
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: he's quicker to the sidelines, he's better in space, very explosive,

560
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: but a twelve thinner guy. How he holed up in

561
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Speaker 2: the one on ones? I mean, is he able to

562
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Speaker 2: you know, get penetration in those one on ones or

563
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: is he getting obliterated at the point of attack. John Joyner,

564
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: who I thought coming into the season had a chance

565
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: to be a late first round pick, had an injury,

566
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: didn't meet expectations because of an injury. But again light Green,

567
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: like Azuruka of Boston College, undersized but very athletic pass

568
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Speaker 2: rusher who's fast up the field, can make place out

569
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Speaker 2: to the side lines in pursuit and creates a lot

570
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Speaker 2: of havoc. And then I know somebody that you really like,

571
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Speaker 2: and we spoke about a lot. Nick Scouton who went

572
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Speaker 2: from Purdue to Texas A and m had a good season.

573
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Speaker 2: I have him in the middle of my I think,

574
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Speaker 2: like right in the early twenties, in my first round

575
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Speaker 2: the mock. He's a guy who's he's not a small

576
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Speaker 2: edge rusher. He's got some size to him. He's got

577
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Speaker 2: some stoutness to him, so he can play the round.

578
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Speaker 2: But he's very athletic and he's very quick up the field.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, Before you jump to the defensive tackles,

580
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Speaker 1: A couple other edge guys are going to be there. Princely,

581
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Speaker 1: the kid out of Ole Miss He's going to be there,

582
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Speaker 1: really good edge player, and then Shamar Stewart for me,

583
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: who plays up and down the line at Texas. I

584
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to classify him as an edge

585
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: necessarily him listened to two hundred and ninety pounds, so

586
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's where he actually is going

587
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: to weigh in at. But boy, he is an athletic

588
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: freak show at that size. The production hasn't been there,

589
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: I know, but some team is gonna fall in love

590
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: with his potential. I think as a guy that just

591
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: has every tool you want.

592
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: He's got an excellent size. He's got growth potential too,

593
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 2: which means that you know, he's a guy who two

594
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: to three years downline in an NFL weight training program.

595
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Speaker 2: Not that they have a bad one of Texas a

596
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: and m it's gonna be bigger, he's gonna be stronger.

597
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: He's got some scheme versatility as well, you know. I

598
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: mean he's the type of guy that as he fills out,

599
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: you could probably use him as effectively in a three

600
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: man line that you can in a foremat line, going

601
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: to the one to the different defensive tackles. I mean

602
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: started off with ty Robinson and Nebraska spoke about him

603
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: multiple times.

604
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Speaker 1: I watched him last week and you told me how

605
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: good he is. That guy's a fun watch man. He

606
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: is just a bowling ball. He's upfield all the time.

607
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: His efforts off the charts. That guy is one of

608
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Speaker 1: the safest picks in this draft. He is gonna be

609
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Speaker 1: a good player.

610
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Speaker 2: And all he does is make claims. I mean, they

611
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: can't stop him. Like I said, I was at the

612
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: Ohio State game when McLaughlin was the center and he

613
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: he mclachlam up, I mean, destoryed him. And they line

614
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: him up at nose tackle, they line him up on

615
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: the outside, they line him up defensive tackle. He's got

616
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Speaker 2: excellent length, he's got growth potential, he's athletic. I mean,

617
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: he is a terrific player. So I'm gonna be looking

618
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: for that. I'm looking for him. And remember, you know

619
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Speaker 2: we talk about the quarterbacks. The history of the Senior

620
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: Bowl is defensive lineman who go to the Senior Bowl

621
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: and have great days of practices can also watch their

622
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Speaker 2: draft the draft stock stock skyrocket. I mentioned how you

623
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: know in these games you don't really see running backs

624
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: move up draft boards. That's not the case with defensive lineman.

625
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: You play well in the defensive line, you're making plays,

626
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: your draft stock is going to take off. One guy

627
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: who I don't think has played all that well this year,

628
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: not as much as I expected as Yah Yah blacks

629
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: out of Iowa and athletic disclosive guy. He's got a

630
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: lot of upside. Dion Walker, Kentucky. Let's hope that we

631
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: see him play. He slated plays on the list right now.

632
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Speaker 1: I want to see him way in too, Tony. I

633
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: want to see what all the way he's in at.

634
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: Not only not only not only way in, but how

635
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: is he playing? I mean, is he gassed after a

636
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: couple of reps? Even if he's three hundred and forty

637
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: pounds and he's playing consistently at a high, high intense level,

638
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily bad thing.

639
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: I would three forty I'm fine. I don't want him

640
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: to pull a Sweat from last year where he's rolling

641
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: into like three seventy five, because.

642
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: Three seventy five, three seventy five plus fifteen pounds. As

643
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: far as Sweat was concerned, That's probably why he never

644
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: announced it. But yeah, I mean walk Er, I think

645
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: well has the potential if he if he shows well

646
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: a practice, if he's not getting gassed, he does well

647
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: with the interviews, his draft stock can take off to walk.

648
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: I was going to add him a little bit is

649
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: coming in. You look at his twenty twenty three tape.

650
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: He was dominant consistently. He still had flashes this year,

651
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: but there were just too many plays where it's like,

652
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: how are you not dominating this guard right now? And

653
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: you're just kind of sitting there like what's going on?

654
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what happened with him this year

655
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: because I thought he was significantly better in twenty twenty three.

656
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: He's going to be a guy that I think wildly

657
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: fluctuates on boards based on the interview process. To your

658
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: point and how many people because look, not many people

659
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: are born that size that can move that way and

660
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: it just didn't show up enough on tape this year,

661
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: which I thought was weird.

662
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: And he's not just a big guys you know, you

663
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: talk about how he moves well, I mean he is

664
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Speaker 2: a playmaker. He's a guy who showed the ability to

665
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: rush the passer. Jammery Colwell of Oregon. This is a

666
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: guy that people don't talk about but when they talk

667
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: about his teammate Harmon, But when you watch the Oregon film,

668
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: this guy is incredibly explosive. He's commanding double team blocks,

669
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Speaker 2: he's getting penetration, he's making plays. And Nias Peebles of

670
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech another slightly smaller but very explosive interior defensive lineman,

671
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: great first step plays without standing leverage, standing pad level

672
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: a really a terrific one gap penetrator. See how he

673
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: does against those bigger offensive linemans in the one ones.

674
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I think that's gonna be fun.

675
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Speaker 1: A couple of other tackles I want to mention. Tony

676
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: Walter Nolan is going to be at this game. He

677
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Speaker 1: could be a late first early second round pick.

678
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Speaker 2: T J.

679
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Speaker 1: Sanders another player than a lot of people are big

680
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: fans of. I liked them when I watched them, and

681
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: then the other shemar out of Texas A and M

682
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: Schamar Stewart, let mean Shamar Turner part of me. We

683
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: talked about Stewart Shamar Turner, who I think is gonna

684
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Speaker 1: be a pretty good interior defensive one in two and then.

685
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Speaker 2: You move to the linebacker spot. I mean, this guy

686
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: kind of fits in as both an edge rusher or

687
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Speaker 2: a linebacker. David Walker at a Central Arkansas Division two school,

688
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: I had a lot of productions as a pass rusher

689
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: in college. Now he's gonna have to basically do it

690
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: standing over tackle. I'm sure they have him come out

691
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: of a three pointsis but he's got to show some versatility.

692
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: He's got to show that he's got the ability to

693
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: do more to just make plays up the field at

694
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Speaker 2: at the size he is, which is about two hundre

695
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: and thirty five pounds, because if he can't, his draft

696
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: stocks going to drop because you're gonna be basically granted

697
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 2: as a small pool edge rusher that was able to

698
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: basically overwhelm the competition that he played against. So it's

699
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 2: a big week for him. I like Nick Martin of

700
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State a lot incredibly explosive three down linebacker. Good blitzer,

701
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: good in pursuit, outstanding in coverage. Same thing with Cameron

702
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Schweisinger of UCLA and underclassmen who went there the draft.

703
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: More of your traditional three to four weeks side linebacker.

704
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: Not a great blitzer, but if it's third and six,

705
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: you need somebody to cover the tight end and somebody

706
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: covered running back. He does an outstanding job at it.

707
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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump over to the defensive backs.

708
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Speaker 2: Tony Maxwell Harriston of Kentucky. Want to see how tall

709
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Speaker 2: he is. He's got terrific ball skills. Cel Toll. See

710
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 2: how he matches up against the toiler toiler receivers. Does

711
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: he get his head back around to track the ball

712
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: in the er? Or is he doing a lot of

713
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: face guarding? Trey Amos of Mississippi. A lot of people

714
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Speaker 2: have given him first round of love. I'm not there

715
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 2: yet with Tray almost remember him at Ark Louisiana. Uh

716
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: when is Louisiana. He was a good player, transferred to Alabama,

717
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: was played in Spurts twenty twenty three. I believe was injured.

718
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: A lot of people like him. Big big week for him.

719
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Speaker 2: Dante Trader, you a couple of good safeties. Dante Trader,

720
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: lacrosse star at Maryland, very explosive, had an injury this year,

721
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: so didn't meet the expectations. We'll see if he's there.

722
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: But a guy who can play the run, explosive against

723
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: the run, can also play the pass. Hunter Waller of

724
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: Wisconsin outstanding run defender at Wisconsin. I mean a real

725
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: tough you know, sacrifice your body to make the tackle

726
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: type of guy. How does he do in those one

727
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: on one cover drills? And Malik Verdon. Everyone talks about

728
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: Emawari from South Carolina, the big safety, the linebacker sized safety.

729
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on Verdin at Senior Bowl practices. He's

730
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: just as big, he's just as explosive, probably doesn't have

731
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Speaker 2: the sady ball skills. So with Verdon, how does he

732
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: do in those one on ones? Is he able to

733
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Speaker 2: flip his hips, stay with receivers and show some cover

734
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Speaker 2: skills or is he constantly trailing down the field. If

735
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: it's the former, excuse me, he's gonna go Day two

736
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: as a safety. If it's the ladder, he's probably gonna

737
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: watch this draft stock take a hit and people may

738
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Speaker 2: start to look at him as a one gap linebacker.

739
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Speaker 1: Ahi Tony, I wanted you give your homework assignment. So

740
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Speaker 1: who do you think from this Senior Bowl roster is

741
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a first round pick in the twenty twenty four.

742
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me a minute here only because I was

743
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: just looking at the list that I have. So I'll

744
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: go through the positions with you accepted Senior Bowl invicebly.

745
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: So what do you think will be top ten picks?

746
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: It up?

747
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, who do you think will be first round

748
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: picks and this year's draft that are at the Senior Bowl?

749
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm looking at the I don't see anybody from

750
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Speaker 2: the defensive back position. People say Trey Amos. I'm gonna

751
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: lean off of that right now. So I don't see

752
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: any defensive backs right now on this list that I

753
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: would consider a first round player. Moved to the defensive line.

754
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: Landon Jackson could be a very late first round pick.

755
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 2: We'll say it will say Landon Jackson. Dion Walker could

756
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: be a bottom third round, bottom third of the first round.

757
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sold on Mike Green being a first rounder.

758
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: I think he's more of a Day two type of guy.

759
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: Uh Walter Nolan I think is going to be a

760
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: first rounder, Jordan Birch. I mean, we haven't talked about him,

761
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: but Jordan Burch is one of the more interesting players

762
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: when he's on his game, when he's on the field,

763
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: when he's not injured, he shows all the trades of

764
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: being a first round pick. I don't think that's gonna

765
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Speaker 2: happen because of the injuries. A lot of people have

766
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Kyle Knard as a first rounder. I do not. Nick Scouton,

767
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: I think is going to be a first rounder. I

768
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: think between Shamar Stewart and Shamar Turner, one of those

769
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: two guys will be first rounders. Linebackers. I don't think

770
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: we'll see any linebackers in the first round. You know,

771
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: here's the interesting thing about the seniorble offensive offensive line up,

772
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: especially the offensive tackle group. Except for Will Campbell, who

773
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 2: didn't want to is not playing the game and Josh

774
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: Simmons who can't play in the game or your top

775
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: offensive tackles are gonna be in this game. Sevan A

776
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: could end up as a first round pick moving down

777
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: the line here. But you man Connorley, well, yeah, Erseri

778
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: could be a first round pick. I think connor Ley

779
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 2: will be a first round pick. I think Mbo will

780
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: be a first round pick. I think Whyaett Millim could

781
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: be a first round pick. And rounding it out, Jalen Milroe,

782
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: I think is the only first round quarterback that'll be

783
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: at the senior Well is gonna be first round selection.

784
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: None of the running back, none of the tight ends,

785
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: none of the receivers. So I hope you were counting.

786
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: I did.

787
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I counted. So I got one, two, three, four, five

788
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: on defense. I got four offensive linemen and then two

789
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: maybes on the offensive line. Do want me to count

790
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: those maybes and make it eleven?

791
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: Well? No, because so that's that's that's nine. And then

792
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: I said Jalen Milrow is going to be a first

793
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: round pick.

794
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, So three offensive, one and I'm sorry

795
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: so the offensive I'm not down for you in terms

796
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: of making it are seven, AA, Connory and Embo. Is

797
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: there anyone else you like to add from that group

798
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: into the first into the first round. Ah, you said

799
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: you weren't quite buying Millim.

800
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Not yet. No, So yeah, I'll stick to my guns.

801
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: I'll be stubborn as I usually am.

802
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're tough grader, Tony. That's why we love you, man.

803
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: So we got nine guys right now is his first

804
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: round picks to you. But we'll see how guys do.

805
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: And here's what we gonna do, Tony. When we review

806
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl next Monday, we'll see if you've increased

807
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: your number a little bit. Good Stuffy, Tony, this is

808
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: always a pleasure. I'll remember, folks, stay with us. If

809
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: you're on the audio version of this, or if you're

810
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: listening watching this on video, go to the audio version.

811
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Speaker 1: We're gonna review the first two days of shrine practice.

812
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Make sure you tune into that. If you're watching this

813
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: on video, go to the audio version. You'll have the

814
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: Shrine review at the end of this episode. Anything else

815
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: told me that you have gone up during Senior Bowl

816
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: over at sports key to that you want fans to

817
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: keep an eye on.

818
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: Not just finishing up the team first round mox. Any

819
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: news that may break and it's you know, all geared

820
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: towards Uh, it's actually Frisco. It's not Dallas, towards the

821
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: Frisco first Shrine Bowl practice next Saturday.

822
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: And by the way, it'll be in North Texas. It

823
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: will not be at the Ford Center with the Cowboys.

824
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: So something else to keep an eye on. And we'll

825
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: see if the coaching carousel has mostly stopped by the

826
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: time we're down there over the weekend, or if it's

827
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: still spinning. We'll have to see how that winds up.

828
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Guys are getting hired fast and furious. As of this recording,

829
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't think Aaron Glenn is interviewing with the Jets.

830
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: The reports are that they're not gonna let him leave

831
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: the building. We'll see if that's true, and we'll see

832
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: how that goes. Tony, so appreciate the toime as always,

833
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: my friend, and I will see you in person in

834
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Speaker 1: about five days.

835
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Speaker 2: Look forward to it all.

836
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: Right, As promised, Tony and I recording this from my

837
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: hotel room in Firstco, Texas. The Commander's Eagles game just started.

838
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: The Commanders too, have received the opening kickoff. Tony and

839
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: I are gonna record this. We just finished watching our

840
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: second practice here at Shrine, and then we'll grab some food,

841
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: watch the games, and then both of us are down

842
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: to Mobile tomorrow. So just to set the stage for

843
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: you folks out there, that's what's going on right now.

844
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: But we've had two fun days of practice. Tony and

845
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: I have watched some of it together. We've also roamed

846
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: and watched some different things over the course of practice too,

847
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, for the folks that aren't

848
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: down here, it's tough. It's just like training camp practice.

849
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff's going on at the same time,

850
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: so you can't see everything. So some things that I've

851
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: seen that maybe Tony hasn't and vice versa. So something

852
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on here as we move forward

853
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: with the end of this draft season episode. Of course,

854
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed the earlier part previewing the senior bawl.

855
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: All right, Tony, I'll let you start. Give me a

856
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: player at a position, and then I'll bounce off of

857
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: that and then we'll go from there.

858
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 3: We'll start with the quarterbacks.

859
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Kyle McCord is hands down the most physically

860
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: gifted passer here. He's made some nice throws, but he's

861
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: also made some throws that.

862
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: Were way off the mark.

863
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that I really liked about

864
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: Kyle McCord was I saw him moving his head around,

865
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: and he's a guy who kind of walks onto receivers.

866
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: He seems to have gotten out of that trend. I

867
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: spoke with him at length after Sunday's practice and we

868
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: spoke about a season in Syracuse. We spoke about his

869
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: experience at Ohio State, and he was very fourth right.

870
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: There was no sour grapes, you know, there's no criticisms.

871
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: But he talked about what happened in Ohio State, a

872
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: team that went on to win the national title. He's

873
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: a guy that's got a tremendous amount of upside. I

874
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: think he just needs a real good quarterback. Coach Cam

875
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: Miller of North Dakota State has made a lot of

876
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: nice throws. Doesn't have the same arm as kylein McCord,

877
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: doesn't have the same size, but he's accurate. He gets

878
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: the ball through the tight spots, great timing. I think

879
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: he's done well with basically a bunch of guys he's

880
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: never thrown the football to.

881
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to give some credit to Max Brosmer.

882
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: Not the most physically imposing guy, but he spent a

883
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: lot of time in New Hampshire, went to Minnesota. You'll

884
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: hear it later this week on the Johns Little Podcast.

885
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: I talked to him for about five or six minutes.

886
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: Talked about how very collegiate system in New Hampshire goes

887
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: to Minnesota Pro System. He said he is something like

888
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: just twenty checks in terms of there being a cover

889
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: zero coverage, much different than what he did at New Hampshire.

890
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: So I think that's a guy that's a good story.

891
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: He has a lot of experience in college, and I

892
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: think that transfer to Minnesota should be a big help

893
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: for him. And I think he's made some good throws

894
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: and I think he's really gotten from one to two

895
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: to three when he's dropped back pretty well. I'm gonna

896
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: jump to running back tone. I know you haven't done

897
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: a lot of watching O the running backs, and at

898
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: practice it's hard. These guys don't try to tackle them,

899
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: they don't break tackles. But two guys did jump at

900
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: it to me at Sunday's practice that I thought, we're

901
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: a little bit impressive. One guy that we've talked about

902
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: for a couple of years now, Tony is Raheem Sanders,

903
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: the running back out of South Carolina, weighed in just

904
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty pounds, because I think is good.

905
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: That means he's keeping his weight down right. But it

906
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: runs with power, runs with speed. And then you have

907
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: the Arizona running back who I was not familiar with

908
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: until I got here a smaller guy Jacory krossky Merritt

909
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: who really showed some burst out a couple of big

910
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: runs today getting out of the backfield, and I thought

911
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: he was really moving.

912
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: Where do you want to take us next, Well, let's

913
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: look at the tight ends. I think some of the

914
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: tight ends have played well. Now. I don't know if

915
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: that is just a matter of fact of the quarterbacks

916
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 2: wanting to go to check down receivers or I don't

917
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: throw the ball down the field, but I mean Rondre

918
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: Gatson off Sarahcuse has had, you know, a good mesh.

919
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: Of course they were Cole mccordery played with last season.

920
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: I mean he's like an oversized possession receiver, but he

921
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: can run and he catches the ball incredibly well. Luke

922
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: Lacha of Iowa makes a lot of difficult catches. I mean,

923
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: Luke Lasche two years ago was graded as it was

924
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: as the next Sam Laporter. He was going to be

925
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: Day two pick, but he missed most of the twenty

926
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 2: twenty three season because of an injury. He's not back

927
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: yet physically one hundred percent, but he can catch the

928
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: ball and he made a lot of difficult receptions.

929
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: Real quick, Tony. I talked to Luke Lache yesterday and

930
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: I asked him about the injury. He said, yeah, I'm

931
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: just trying to explain the teams that I am back now,

932
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: that I'm good, that I'm healthy, and don't look at

933
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: the numbers, right, I can be more than that. And

934
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: he said, Sam Laporta, it's basically his best friend has

935
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: been mentoring him through this whole process.

936
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean a lot's gonna depend on the

937
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: testing at the combine and the medicals at the combine.

938
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: He's a good football player.

939
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: If you know, if a team takes him in Day

940
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: three and he's able to nurse back to full help,

941
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: they're gonna get a steal. I thot Carter running a

942
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: thousand played very well today, a former receiver who moved

943
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: the tight end. He's got a nice frame, he's got

944
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: the ability to get bigger. He made a lot of

945
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: nice receptions all over the field. And Revaldo Fairweather revolve Burn,

946
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: a smaller tight end who I was not too familiar with.

947
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna because I haven't done my sec film work yet,

948
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: but I thought he really stood out and showed.

949
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: A lot of next level ability.

950
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Fairweather I agree. Today I thought I

951
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: was surprised with what I saw at him. I thought

952
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: he had a couple nice catchers. All right, I'm gonna

953
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: jump to wide receiver there, Tony, and I don't think

954
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna have any day or Day two, you know,

955
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: wide receivers at this game. I think these are probably

956
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: more mostly Day three guys. But I think a couple

957
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: of players certainly stood out a little bit at a UNLV.

958
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: I thought Ricky White showed the ability to consistently separate

959
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: and he did a good job catching the football. A

960
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: transfer from Alabama, Jacory Brooks, who's in Louisville. I thought

961
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: he had a couple of plays that were really nice.

962
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned Ronde Gadson Junior. I thought his

963
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: teammate from Syracuse, Jackson Meeks, had a good day today.

964
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: He weighed in I think it was two hundred and

965
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: seventeen pounds, and you can see it as the Commanders

966
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: just convert their second fourth down on the opening drive here.

967
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: But he shows strength. There was a play down the

968
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: left side line, a DP pass where a guy's grabbing

969
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: his jersey. He gets called for defensive pass interference, he

970
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: runs right through him and still manages to make the catch.

971
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: So I thought Jackson Meeks was the guy that I

972
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: thought was pretty interesting.

973
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: A wide receiver, it makes a bigger guy possession guy.

974
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: Had great production this year with Kyle McCord, and he's

975
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: obviously that sort of that rapport that they built has

976
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: carried over to the Shrine Bowl. I agree with you

977
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: about Ricky White. Coaches have told me he's the best

978
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: receiver here. I think think both of the Colorado guys

979
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Lejonte Webster, he's fast man who and Jimmy Horn have

980
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: had real good practices. They're not just good athletes, but

981
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: they're good receivers. Absolutely love what I see from Jacobe

982
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: George of Miami. I mean, he's a smaller guy, but

983
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: he's super quick, he separates, he plays big football. He

984
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: competes for the tough catch, and he's caught everything. Two

985
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: bigger guys who have shown flashes of ability Caden Prather

986
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: of Maryland as well as Nick Nash of San Jose State.

987
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: They've made some difficult catches, they've made some touch catch

988
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: tough catches, but they've also dropped a few passes.

989
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: They did today. They both had to drop and pray.

990
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: Their got behind the defense on that post hit him

991
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: right in the hands and he couldn't come down with it.

992
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: And the last guy to keep an eye on up

993
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: and down. But he's got great potential is Isaiah and

994
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: Nyer of Nebraska, former track athlete. Caught a nice deep

995
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: catch for a touchdown, but then he also lost out

996
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: in the battle in the middle of the field. Again,

997
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: you're talking about a late round guy that's got developmental potential.

998
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: And I'll throw out one more receiver that I forgot

999
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: that again, I was not familiar with him coming in.

1000
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: I think he's jumped to me a little bit. Is

1001
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: can not a Mumpfield out of Pittsburgh, a smaller guy,

1002
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: but he's I think he's really separated.

1003
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: Well.

1004
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: He's shown some juice and he's shown some quickness over

1005
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: the course of these two days of practice. All right,

1006
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: let's shows one to the offensive line, Tony, and one

1007
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: guy that I was really impressed with today, and I'll

1008
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: start here that we can go back and forth a

1009
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: little bit. Was a player with some NFL pedigree. His

1010
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: dad Pete Kendall, former NFL offensive lineman. His son Drew Kendall.

1011
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: I thought he's six ' four or just under six '

1012
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: four to three oh five. Boston College did a really

1013
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: nice job at center today against frankly, two of the

1014
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: better defensive tackles here in Jordan Phillips out of Maryland

1015
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: and the Indiana defensive tackle CJ. West. Thank you. He

1016
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: did a good job against those two guys. In terms

1017
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: of the interior guys, he might have been my favorite

1018
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: guy here so far.

1019
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: Kendall was my number one rated center prospect coming into

1020
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 2: the season. And then Kendall put out a two tweet

1021
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: that he was entering the transfer portal, so but he

1022
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: was still on the Shrine Bowl roster, so I wasn't

1023
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: sure whether or not he was actually gonna play because

1024
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: he said he was going to go into the transfer portal.

1025
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: But you're right, I mean he is. He's been a

1026
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: terrific center at the Boston College. I want to talk

1027
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: about two really big offensive linemen and a too small

1028
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: offensive small school offensive lineman Gerard Christian Lichtenhan of Oregon

1029
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: State six ' eight, his arms at thirty five inches long,

1030
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 2: but he doesn't play like a big, clumsy offensive lineman.

1031
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: He can move. He's played left and right tackle, he's

1032
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: done a terrific job. Good fundamentals, stay, square seals. The

1033
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: smaller edge rushers from their pass rush angle. Spoke with somebody,

1034
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: how Christian Lichenhan. They said, because of the quantity of

1035
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: players in this year's draft, and in fact, you've got so

1036
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: many fifty six to seven year players in the draft,

1037
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: he's not going to get a Combine invite, but he

1038
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: could end up as a fourth round pick. So keep that,

1039
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, in the back your mind. The other guy

1040
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: guy local to us, Hollan Pierce of Rutgers. I think

1041
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: he had like thirty six inch arms. He's also like

1042
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: six seven and change. Another big tailer guy who's not

1043
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: very clumsy, good fundamentals. Ben's his knees that doesn't just

1044
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: you know, try and outsize them, but blocks with tall fundamentals,

1045
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: good leverage, good hand use. I think he's and he's

1046
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: a guy who was basically graded as a street free agent.

1047
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: I think he's pushed himself into the late rounds. Two

1048
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: small school offensive linemen that have really impressed me. Gareth

1049
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: Warren of Lyndon Wood, who's played guard again, great fundamentals, strong,

1050
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: has not lost out to anybody. And Marcus ware from

1051
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: Montana State who won the FCS championship, another guard. The

1052
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: thing about these small school guys that I like is

1053
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: they block with great mechanics, great fundamentals, good knee bend,

1054
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: they stay square, good balance, you know, good hand punch.

1055
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that is because since

1056
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: these small schools don't have great weight training program, they

1057
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: practice technique technique technique, and you can see it on

1058
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: the field. At Gareth Warren, It's not gonna get a

1059
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: combining invite, but I'm told these three hundred and twenty

1060
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: pounds it's gonna run under five seconds in the forty.

1061
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: He's gonna test through the roof.

1062
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: He is going to be working out at the Missouri

1063
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: Pro Day, which is huge for him because Missouri has

1064
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: right tackle Armando Membo there, so there's gonna be a

1065
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: lot of offensive line coaches there. It's a great opportunity

1066
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: for Warren. Yeah.

1067
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I was about a couple of the Texas State

1068
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: small school guy, Nash Jones. I thought he had a

1069
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Speaker 1: couple of nice reps. Over the course of a couple

1070
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Speaker 1: of days, he's been impressive. So there have been offensive

1071
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: lineman and you mentioned lichtenhan Hoo, I agree, he's just

1072
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: a monster of a man. I think his teammate Joshua

1073
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: Grays had some decent moments to number sixty seven, So

1074
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Speaker 1: I think those are some of the offensive linemen you

1075
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: can keep an eye on here. All right, let's go

1076
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Speaker 1: over to the defensive line here, Tony, and you know

1077
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: two guys that jumped out of me were on the

1078
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: West team which I watched in the first practice today. CJ.

1079
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: West that of Indiana, has some really quick wins, really

1080
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Speaker 1: good hand uses to get a field. And then he

1081
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: was probably the most explosive defensive lineman here, Jordan Phillips

1082
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: out of Maryland. Just his burst. He gets on offensive

1083
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: lineman very quickly. Had a lot of quick wins in

1084
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: those one on ones night and day.

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Speaker 2: For Jordan Phillips because I watched him yesterday, because I'm

1086
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: a Jordan Phillips guy coming into the season and he

1087
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: was getting washed from the plate. Today he dominated. And

1088
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: he didn't just dominate in the middle line. You watch Maryland,

1089
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: he's used as a nose tackle to occupy the gaps.

1090
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: He showed a lot of athleticism today, the ability to

1091
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: rush the pass from those one on ones. They set

1092
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 2: him up on the edge CJ. West the past two days.

1093
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: No one can move him off the point of attack.

1094
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: He's in immovable force. He plays with great leverage. Kent

1095
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: State Transfer played it Indiana this past season. Indiana had

1096
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: that great campaign. But a guy who really, even on film,

1097
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: just dominates the middle of the line of scrimmage. A

1098
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: couple other guys who stood out to me. Warren Brinson

1099
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: has had outstanding moments where you're like, wow, he just

1100
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: takes takes over the plays.

1101
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: They could not block him in the final team drills

1102
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: in practice on Sunday. It was unbelievable.

1103
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: And he's that type of guy.

1104
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 2: JJ Pagis of Mississippi two three hundred and twenty four pounds,

1105
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: more of a bowling ball type, but he's quick, he's athletic,

1106
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: he moves well. And Tonka Hemingway of South Carolina has

1107
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: had a lot of good moments to the past couple

1108
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 2: of days.

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00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll stick up front here and I'll even slide

1110
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: in a couple of edge guys too. As we move

1111
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: forward here, Tony, I think na Ziero Stackhouse. You know,

1112
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: he's a bigger guy. He doesn't have the best pass

1113
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: rush ability, but he's tough to move. He did get

1114
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: in the backfield one storing team drolls as the Eagles

1115
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: score a touchdown. I believe on a long sa Quon Parkley.

1116
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: I think it was their second play from scrimmage after

1117
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: they got the kickoff after the Commander's went up three

1118
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: to nothing. But he's a guy that's impressed me. Amid

1119
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: hasanin at a Boise State. You know, he came in

1120
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Speaker 1: I think a two hundred and sixty five pounds tony

1121
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: and he's not maybe the bendiest and most flexible guy,

1122
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: but he is such power in his hands. He bull

1123
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Speaker 1: rushed guys. I think teams are gonna fall in love

1124
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: with his power and his strength as a bigger edge rusher.

1125
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Speaker 2: And a guy who fits a four man line. We

1126
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: talked about him to go back to the past shows

1127
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: through the college football playoffs. Real athletic guy who just

1128
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: has to grow into his body. Yeah.

1129
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, anyone else out on the edge that jumped out of.

1130
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: To Rylan Powell of Virginia Tech had his moments. I

1131
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: like the Deal Digs of Syracuse as well. Sort of

1132
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: a smaller guy, but he's very athletic, He's explosive, he's

1133
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: not afraid to go on the inside. He's not just

1134
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: a wide edge rusher goes on the inside. He's just

1135
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: got to get a little bit, a little bit bigger.

1136
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: Has been used in a three point stance as well

1137
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 2: as standing over tackle.

1138
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Speaker 1: I'm with you and I throw Elijah Ponder. I like

1139
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: the small school guys out Kyle Polly. I think he's

1140
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: had a couple of decent moments over the course of

1141
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: the week two. And just to note, he might be

1142
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: wanting to talking about Kenneth Grant out of Michigan. Well,

1143
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: he was here, but he did not participate in any

1144
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: of the practices here. Same reason we didn't talk about

1145
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: you or Sanders who was here but didn't participate in

1146
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: any of the practices.

1147
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: Even though Kenneth Grant was here. I mean, that was.

1148
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: The kid from the brisk A Huckmacher who was dominant

1149
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: yesterday took his number, Like, that's not Kansas Grant.

1150
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: But no, they do not look alike, not much at all.

1151
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: But it's interesting that Grant was hearing he didn't participate.

1152
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of a bummer.

1153
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, too bad. All right, let's go out to the

1154
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: secondary here. Tony the defensive back. I'll start with the

1155
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: guy that I think might have been the best defensive

1156
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: player here so far, and that's Kobe Bryant. That's Kolbe

1157
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: with one C in two e's by the way out

1158
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: of Kansas. One of two Kansas defensive backs here. He

1159
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: had on Sunday's practice. I don't watch the secondary much

1160
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: on Saturday. He had three pass breakups today, two and

1161
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: one on ones, one in team. During one team drill,

1162
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: there was a pass slightly behind a player on a

1163
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: little bit of a shallow cross across the middle. He

1164
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: reaches in front, comes up with the pick. He's aggressive

1165
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. He's only one hundred I

1166
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: think seventy nine pounds. He's skinny, but he's long. He

1167
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: beats guys up at the line of scrimmage. He's physical.

1168
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: He even got flag for a pass in the fierence

1169
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: penalty during one on ones. He's been really good and

1170
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: he knows how to play the ball when he gets

1171
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: to the wide receiver.

1172
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Speaker 2: And he lets everybody know about it because he does

1173
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: not show I mean he's sticking it to the guys

1174
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: that he's covering. You know, after he makes it play.

1175
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: He reminds them that he makes play and he says

1176
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: he's gonna do it again, and then he does it,

1177
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: so he backs up his bravado. He's a lot of

1178
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: fun to watch. He backs up his bravado with play.

1179
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: And he's not just opportunistic. He's got excellent ball skills.

1180
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 2: He's got a great move to the ball, he tracks

1181
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: the pass in the air, and like you said, I

1182
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: mean he's very physical. Two other corners that really impressed

1183
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: me the past couple of days, especially today, Garrett Hollise

1184
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: of West Virginia, especially in those one on ones, made

1185
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: a lot of plays when the ball was in the air.

1186
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: And Elijah Hussey, who had of North Carolina, had a

1187
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: couple of nice plays, had a nice interception. He's more

1188
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: known as a return specialist, is probably gonna be a

1189
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: dinback on Sunday. But really, the ball skills that he showed,

1190
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: especially today, I mean, he was very very he was

1191
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: basically on.

1192
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: It, yeah out through on one other corner that he

1193
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: didn't have much ball production, he got called for on

1194
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: defensive pass interference penalty. But I like his size and

1195
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: I like the way he approaches the thing. And that's

1196
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: Zey Frasier out of He's a taller guy. He's long.

1197
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: He's seen type of body type as Bryant, long and skinny.

1198
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: He likes to play pressman. He knows that he gets

1199
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: hand on the football as a smaller school guy. Might

1200
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: take him some time to figure things out, but I

1201
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: think he has some real promise as a potential Day

1202
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: three peck.

1203
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: U Tsa had a great fourth round pick at the

1204
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: cornerback position a couple of years ago in Woolling Right,

1205
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: And what I'm told is Fred is gonna basically test

1206
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: off the roof. He's on the cusp of getting a

1207
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: combine invite if he gets it, and Willing tested off

1208
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: the roof if you remember too. Just needed to get

1209
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 2: in the right system, which he did in Seattle, which

1210
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: is able to who does a great job year and

1211
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: after year developing cornerbacks. I think it's the same thing

1212
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Speaker 2: with this former teammate.

1213
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: Anyone else at safety or any other spots Tony that

1214
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: that jumped out of Chittle.

1215
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 2: The only guy at safety that I mentioned is Craig

1216
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: woodson of Cal I mean he's he plays a safety

1217
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: position like a linebacker, you know, when you hear the

1218
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: pop of pads. You look up in this ball carrier

1219
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: laid down on the field, it's usually because Woodson has

1220
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: laid him out. Doesn't have great ball skills based not

1221
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: a liability, more of a between the numbers downhill type

1222
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: of safety. But he's made his mark felt mark here

1223
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: a known not only discounts, but on opposing ball handlers.

1224
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: All right, Tony and I are off the mobile. We

1225
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: will have coverage of that over the course of the week.

1226
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: We'll have our review of everything that happened to the

1227
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl next Monday. We'll do it after the games,

1228
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: do the games, and we'll do the practices all in

1229
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: one show next Monday. That'll just be all Senior Bowl stuff.

1230
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: We'll have a lot of really good players down there.

1231
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: They'll have a chance to talk about all right, that's

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