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Speaker 2: The Giants already get a victory. They won the press

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Speaker 2: conference apparently yesterday with John Harbaugh. Harball was introduced as

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Speaker 2: the new head coach. And it's weird, how if we

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Speaker 2: looked at the Giants, Let's say Brian Dable was back

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Speaker 2: next year, we would look at the Giants and go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's potential. All of a sudden, you bring in John

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh and we're going, man, he can maybe turn it around.

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Speaker 2: Like Mike Rabel. Maybe you got the similar situation there.

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Speaker 2: And Rabel, who is not as charismatic as his brother,

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Speaker 2: had this to say about ready to win John, how

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Speaker 2: do you build a winning culture? And how long will

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Speaker 2: it take for this team to win?

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Speaker 3: The second part's impossible to say, but I'm planning on

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Speaker 3: day one. So that's what we're we be shooting for,

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Speaker 3: that's what we're working for and fully expected to happen.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm ready to go. Giants gonna turnaround. Feels

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Speaker 2: like we have one or two of those teams every year.

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Speaker 2: And he's also very excited to coach Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about Jackson Dart, you know, and you build

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Speaker 3: your team around your quarterback. I like the way he plays,

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Speaker 3: mal like his talent, skill set, all things he accomplished.

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Speaker 3: But more than that, I like who he is and

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Speaker 3: what he's about.

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Speaker 4: To me. He's about football. I mean, this is this

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Speaker 4: young guy loves football. He wants to talk football all

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Speaker 4: the time.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what I like doing too. So

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Speaker 3: I think we're gonna have a lot of great conversations

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Speaker 3: and I can't wait to get started with him.

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Speaker 2: All right, channeling a little Jim Harball there. He liked football.

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Speaker 2: I like talking football. We're gonna talk football, yes, seton.

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Speaker 2: How do you know that he met him two days ago? Well,

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Speaker 2: maybe that's all they talked about was football. He liked football.

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Speaker 2: I like football. We're gonna talk football. It feels like,

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Speaker 2: and let me rephrase this, he is. He's not a

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Speaker 2: character like his brother. He's got charisma, he's just not

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Speaker 2: a character like Jim is. But great head coach. But

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden you look at the Giants differently.

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Speaker 2: I think because John Harball, Well, because they're going to

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Speaker 2: talk football, they're going to win football. That's what they do.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Jim Harball hired Mike McDaniel, the former

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Speaker 2: Now the headline is going to read differently than I'm

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Speaker 2: interpreting this, and that is Mike McDaniel turned down an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to interview for the Cleveland Browns job. I think

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Speaker 2: what he did is he took his name out. You know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you're not going to get a job, but you

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Speaker 2: want to take your name out before somebody hires somebody

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Speaker 2: and then you realize you weren't getting the job in

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Speaker 2: the first place. I don't think they were going to

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Speaker 2: hire Mike McDaniel in Cleveland. They've had a couple of

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Speaker 2: candidates coming in for a couple maybe their second interviews.

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Speaker 2: Mike would have been a curiosity. You know, hey, come

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Speaker 2: on in, what do you think of our quarterbacks here?

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Speaker 2: What would you do with this offense here? And I

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Speaker 2: think the Chargers did a great, great hire bringing in

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Speaker 2: McDaniel to help Justin Herbert and Mike McDaniel was coveted

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Speaker 2: as an offensive coordinator. I think that's a great hire.

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Speaker 2: And he goes to the Chargers. Brown's still searching for

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Speaker 2: their head coach. But you know, you still start with

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Speaker 2: Buffalo because these Bills fans are not letting it go.

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Speaker 2: They're looking for every angle. Is there a new angle

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Speaker 2: with that interception? There's gotta be NFL films put out

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Speaker 2: an angle. It's not any different than what we saw

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Speaker 5: What Paul Dan not according to Bill supporters.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, Bill supporters need to have this realization. Your

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Speaker 2: best player didn't play his best and he cost you

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Speaker 2: that game. Because if he makes a couple of plays,

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Speaker 2: you win. That's it. You win. It doesn't come Don't

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Speaker 2: blame the officials. Blame Josh Allen. Start there. He did

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Speaker 2: not have a good game. A couple interceptions, an overthrow

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Speaker 2: that would have won the game or put him in

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Speaker 2: a position to win the game, a fumble at the

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Speaker 2: end to the first half. That's on him. It's not

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Speaker 2: on the officials. And it's easy to blame, and it's tough.

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Speaker 2: It's tough to sit here and go, why aren't we

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Speaker 2: playing this weekend? We are better than Denver, and maybe

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Speaker 2: you were except for Josh Allen didn't play like Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen normally does. That's the reality of this. There's no

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Speaker 2: other way to spin this. You want to blame the

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Speaker 2: officials and is it a tough call. Yeah, in the moment,

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Speaker 2: I thought there's no way that that's an interception. When

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Speaker 2: they called it an interception, I said, there's no way

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Speaker 2: they overturn it. And even Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow hasn't

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Speaker 2: tweeted since August, Joe Burrow said, hey, get over it.

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Speaker 2: The call was correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauline, Joe Burrow's tweet was the amount of people

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Speaker 5: that don't understand what a catch is in the rule

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Speaker 5: book flabbergasty. And it's not the officials. The two plays

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Speaker 5: yesterday he talked about the one in the Bears game

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Speaker 5: in the Bills game were not difficult calls and they

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Speaker 5: got him bold right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if I'm a Buffalo Bills fan, it's tough to swallow.

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Speaker 2: This was your year. It cost you your head coach.

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Speaker 2: Head coach reportedly had issues with the roster with their GM,

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Speaker 2: and I think that that's a bigger issue where ownership

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Speaker 2: in GM probably got together and said, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: that this guy didn't like what we're doing and we

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Speaker 2: need to move on from him. Non paraphrasing there. But

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have fired Mike. I wouldn't have fired Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to be consistently good in the league,

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Speaker 2: and he was consistently good. Now you can say, is

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Speaker 2: he going to be good enough to get us to

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl? I didn't think the roster was great. Well,

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Speaker 2: who built the roster? Your GM did. But we blame Oh,

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Speaker 2: we didn't get to the next level. Well, who are

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Speaker 2: you blaming? It's usually the coach and we're in a

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Speaker 2: a day and age where man, what have you done

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Speaker 2: for me lately? Huh? Kind of been good for a

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Speaker 2: decade here. Yeah, but you know we had some fumbles

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Speaker 2: in some interception. Yeah, but I didn't do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we got to blame somebody here. But FLO fans may

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Speaker 2: not like it, But don't be blaming the officials. Blame

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Speaker 2: yourself because you easily could have won that game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauling, I don't think it's going to go that

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Speaker 5: way for the Buffalo fans. I think they're gonna latch

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Speaker 5: onto this video and this play and this bad call

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Speaker 5: in their mind forever until they win a Super Bowl

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Speaker 5: like Dallas with the des Bryant thing more than a

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Speaker 5: decade ago. The further they get from the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 5: the bigger. This play will stick in their cross.

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Speaker 2: Well, is this the modern day Scott Norwood missed field goal? Now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you could blame it on somebody else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just think it's gonna stay for.

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Speaker 4: A long long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it shouldn't. It shouldn't. It's unfortunate though, but

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Speaker 2: you know, with Sean McDermott, I mean, that's an impressive resume.

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Speaker 2: Who's coming in? Who is your guy coming in? Because

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Speaker 2: he has to get to the FC title game? Right?

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Speaker 2: Who's coming in in Baltimore? You got to get to

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Speaker 2: the AFC title game. I think the expectation level is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Even Pittsburgh, you got to make the playoffs unless there's

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Speaker 2: an announcement of hey we're going to renovate here, we got

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Speaker 2: to retool here. But Pittsburgh's not going to do that.

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Speaker 2: And the Chiefs, you know, Mahomes will be coming back eventually,

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Speaker 2: so you're still gonna have to deal with him. Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow and the Bengals might stay healthy. Is Jacksonville for real?

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Speaker 2: Denver is going to be there, Chargers coming back. There'll

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Speaker 2: be an outwire that you go, wow, that team is

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Speaker 2: on the rise here. But these coaching. You know, when

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Speaker 2: you start to point fingers, man, it's tough. Yeah, Ton, And.

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Speaker 5: If the league just recycles or recirculates coaches that just

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Speaker 5: had a job, who is left that's so juicy.

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Speaker 4: That is the answer. In Buffalo. If they're not going

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Speaker 4: to find some hidden character, hidden candidate that we haven't

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Speaker 2: Well you might find somebody, But you go in and

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Speaker 2: what's the expectation level. You know, Robert Sawa is taking

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Speaker 2: over Tennessee, what's the expectation level? Five wins? Six wins,

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Speaker 2: that's about it. But if you're taking over a team

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, we are making the playoffs? And how far

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Speaker 2: for the life of me, I don't know why the

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't that be up to the head coach who hasn't

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be saying anything about Aaron Rodgers or just saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: there's you know, we're open to possibilities here. But but

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Speaker 2: doing with Aaron Rodgers? I don't know, not bringing him back?

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Speaker 2: And if you are bringing him back, what's that say

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Speaker 2: about you know, your immediate future? Like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: It's just the deep end is where the great teams are.

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Speaker 2: You're in the kiddie pool. You're in a pool. You're

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Speaker 2: just not where you need to be. And you bring

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Speaker 2: back Aaron Rodgers, you know that doesn't I don't have

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Speaker 2: played okay this year, probably better than a lot of

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Speaker 2: what is our future here? Who is our future here?

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Speaker 2: And maybe you get Brian Flores in there, maybe Mike

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Speaker 2: What are we doing with TJ? Watt? Can we trade

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Speaker 2: anybody here? What did we want in the draft? Needing

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Speaker 2: the draft? So there's all these questions, but it just

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Speaker 2: feels like ownership, front office. They're quick to move on.

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Speaker 2: There is no patience and some of the greatest coaches

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Speaker 2: in history, they could have easily gotten fired into in

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Speaker 2: today's landscape after two or three years. Like you go

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Speaker 2: back to Mike Krushchevski a duke, it's like he would

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Speaker 2: have been fired because nobody knew Mike Ryzhevski and it's

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Speaker 2: after what three years at Duke, you'd be like, I

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Speaker 2: think we can move on from him. But having that

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Speaker 2: patience to be able to see who that guy is,

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Speaker 2: what that guy is, that's the hard part here. But

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Speaker 2: some of these coaching candidates going in it's tough enough.

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Speaker 2: You walk in and it's like, all right, better be great. Uh, okay,

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Speaker 2: just got here day one. Huh. That's tough. But that's

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Speaker 2: what Baltimore's done, that's what Buffalo has done. Pittsburgh, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's Mike Tomlin stepping down. So that's different. But man,

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Speaker 2: it's fascinating, fascinating times for these coaching candidates and these

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Speaker 2: teams and the expectation level. All right, see what's poll

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Speaker 2: question for hour one on the program. By the way,

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Speaker 2: the Giants with a win already. They won the press

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Speaker 2: conference yesterday. Oh yeah, that's great, good for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Would you rather be the coach of the Browns or

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Speaker 6: an offensive coordinator somewhere else? So?

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Speaker 2: Would I rather be the Charger's OC or the Browns

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Speaker 2: Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America's studio analyst, former

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Speaker 7: You know, I would say two plays.

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Speaker 7: You know, like, how many times have I heard from

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Speaker 7: We had our opportunities.

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Speaker 9: But Tony Rollmo made an amazing throw and Dez Bryant

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Speaker 7: And I have nothing against Denver.

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Speaker 9: They did a fantastic job all year long, but I

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Speaker 2: What was it like to interview for the Tennessee john.

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Speaker 9: A great experience really like Mike Worganzi their general manager,

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Speaker 2: But are you thinking the long team the longer it

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Speaker 2: Talking to Jason Garrett NBC Football Night in America, studio analyst.

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Speaker 2: If you're coaching the Broncos, how do you use Jared

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Speaker 9: You know, I think Sean will do a great job

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Speaker 9: not in the AFC Championship game. So I think Sean

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Speaker 9: will have that in the forefront of his mind. He'll

438
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Speaker 9: get them comfortable in the game. Run the ball, movement plays, screens,

439
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 9: those kinds of things. Get them some completion. You know,

440
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Speaker 9: the guys at NBC hear me say this all the time.

441
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Speaker 9: Get them five completions before he even knows he's out there,

442
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Speaker 9: you know, And I think that's a big thing. As

443
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Speaker 9: a coordinator, that's always what you're trying to do for

444
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Speaker 9: your quarterbacks, certainly in big moments like this. So I

445
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Speaker 9: think their skill sets are the same. I don't think

446
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Speaker 9: they'll have to change that much, but I think Sean

447
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Speaker 9: will be mindful of how much he hasn't played.

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Speaker 7: I think I'll try to get them comfortable.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering about these coaching vacancies, the pressure. I mean,

450
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Speaker 2: normally you don't have, you know, playoff teams, changing coaches.

451
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Speaker 2: You go into Buffalo, you're expected to go to the

452
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Speaker 2: AFC title game. I'm guessing you go to Baltimore, you're

453
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Speaker 2: expected to go to the AFC title game. You go

454
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Speaker 2: into Pittsburgh, you're expected to make the playoffs. This is

455
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Speaker 2: in Arizona, this is in Tennessee, this is in Cleveland.

456
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Speaker 2: I can't remember where you had vacancies where the pressure

457
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Speaker 2: was this, you know, ratcheted this high.

458
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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no doubt.

459
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Speaker 9: And those are really good coaches who had coached for

460
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Speaker 9: a long time and build amazing programs, and to replace

461
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Speaker 9: those guys and then you know, like you said, racket

462
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Speaker 9: it up, take it to the next level. Those are

463
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Speaker 9: not easy things to do. I do think they're really

464
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Speaker 9: good organizations. Steelers is a great organization, Raven's great organization,

465
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Speaker 9: So Buffalo really good organization. So I do think that

466
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Speaker 9: they have some things in place there that you like

467
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Speaker 9: in all those spots. There's no question about that for me.

468
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Speaker 4: You know.

469
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Speaker 9: The other thing, you know, some of those teams that

470
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Speaker 9: have not been as good. You know, all of a sudden,

471
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Speaker 9: you're looking at what Mike Vrabel did in New England.

472
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Speaker 9: Hey they won four they don't won four games last

473
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Speaker 9: year and then the AFC Championship game, So all of

474
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Speaker 9: a sudden, there's an expectation there that you're supposed to

475
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Speaker 9: flip it around in year one, and I think ownership

476
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 9: in those spots needs to be careful. I think those

477
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Speaker 9: are exceptions go back in the history of football. It's

478
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Speaker 9: hard to turn things around. And then even if you

479
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Speaker 9: look at a team like Washington, dan Quinn did such

480
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Speaker 9: an amazing job in year one and now that they've

481
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Speaker 9: kind of fallen back to the mean, if you will.

482
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Speaker 7: So I think you want to build.

483
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Speaker 9: It the right way regards of where you're coming from

484
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Speaker 9: and if you go into those places, you got to

485
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Speaker 9: be careful about trying to copy the guy who was

486
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Speaker 9: there before. You better be yourself. I think a lot

487
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Speaker 9: of mistakes are made when guys try to copy what's

488
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Speaker 9: been there. Be yourself and get yourself going.

489
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Speaker 2: It feels like we're not going to give Seattle credit

490
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Speaker 2: until we see Seattle winning a super Bowl. Like it

491
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Speaker 2: just felt like regular season, Okay, I mean toughest division,

492
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Speaker 2: and it almost feels like people are rooting for the

493
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Speaker 2: Rams because the Rams look like, you know, hey, I

494
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Speaker 2: got Stafford there, and I got Pookinakua and Sean McVay. Like,

495
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Speaker 2: Seattle's just played great football. I just don't know if

496
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Speaker 2: we've acknowledged the great football that they played from start

497
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Speaker 2: to finish.

498
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Seattle was really really good middle of the year.

499
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Speaker 9: I went out there and I interviewed Sam Darnold and

500
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Speaker 9: got a chance to spend the day there watch practice,

501
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Speaker 9: be around the meetings and walk throughs and stuff, and

502
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Speaker 9: I just love I just love everything about their team.

503
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 9: I think they've built it the right way again, created

504
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Speaker 9: a great environment for their quarterback. Jsn is an elite

505
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Speaker 9: player on offense, but but for me, you know what

506
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Speaker 9: separates them as their defense on all three levels. These

507
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Speaker 9: guys are really really good, and I think they're head

508
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Speaker 9: coach and defensive genius. Mike McDonald is fantastic, and you know,

509
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Speaker 9: I have a good story about him. I've gotten to

510
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Speaker 9: know him a little bit over the last couple of years.

511
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Speaker 7: And so we're.

512
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Speaker 9: Talking about, you know, building, you know, everyone talks about

513
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Speaker 9: building culture and all of that. And I said, you've

514
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Speaker 9: done an amazing job here And I said, you know,

515
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Speaker 9: what have you done? And he was so honest and humble.

516
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Speaker 9: He said, last year, I had no idea what I

517
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Speaker 9: was doing.

518
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Speaker 7: He said, I have no idea. You kind of dive

519
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Speaker 7: into it. You just are reeling.

520
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Speaker 9: But he said, after after the season, got a chance

521
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Speaker 9: to sit down and really think about what you want

522
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Speaker 9: to build here. And you know, Pete Carroll had done

523
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Speaker 9: a great job building a certain culture there and and

524
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Speaker 9: and I asked him, I said, hey, is this just

525
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Speaker 9: like you, you know, trying to replicate what happened in Baltimore,

526
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Speaker 9: that that's your experience. And he said yeah, in some

527
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Speaker 9: ways because I was there for so long. But he

528
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Speaker 9: said I also pulled back and said, you know, this

529
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Speaker 9: has to be our culture in the environment we create.

530
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Speaker 9: So keeping some of the good stuff from Pete Carroll absolutely,

531
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Speaker 9: some of the stuff from the Ravens absolutely, some of

532
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Speaker 9: the stuff from our players and coaches, things that they

533
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Speaker 9: think are important.

534
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. And then at the end of it, he says,

535
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Speaker 7: you know, if.

536
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Speaker 9: The culture was all about my personality, we'd be really boring.

537
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Speaker 4: So we don't.

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Speaker 10: We don't want to be that, you know.

539
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Speaker 9: And so to me, he's so he's so good at

540
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Speaker 9: what he does, but he's so humble, and I think

541
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Speaker 9: what he's created there and what they've created there, John

542
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Speaker 9: Schneider a great job with the personnel.

543
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Speaker 7: I love their team.

544
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Speaker 2: Jay's good to talk to you again, Thanks for joining us.

545
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Speaker 7: Yeah, enjoy the game this weekend.

546
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Speaker 2: That's Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America studio analyst.

547
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Speaker 2: Also the NBA All Star Let's see, you got Jannis visiting,

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Speaker 2: Tyrese Maxi and the seventy six ers. Although you can

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Speaker 2: put Joe ellen Beiid in there. He's starting to play

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Speaker 2: a little bit better basketball, right.

560
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Speaker 10: I absolutely agree.

561
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Speaker 4: But before we get to that, Okay, doctor Theodore, since

562
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Speaker 4: you're being a therapist, Okay, I kind of want to

563
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Speaker 4: talk about the moment seat and bro because trust me,

564
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 4: I have a million of them, but things that stick

565
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Speaker 4: with me and I just want to talk about this.

566
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Speaker 4: And while I'm talking about this, Poly can probably pull

567
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Speaker 4: this up. Nineteen ninety four, We're in the conference finals

568
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Speaker 4: versus the Knicks. This is coming off Game five, the

569
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Speaker 4: twenty five point quarter.

570
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Speaker 10: My beloved Pacers go up.

571
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Speaker 4: Three to two, coming home to Indiana to close out

572
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Speaker 4: the series. It could be a trip to the NBA Finals.

573
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Speaker 4: Our first, you would think home court advantage. I felt

574
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Speaker 4: that we have broken the wheel of the Knicks. The

575
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Speaker 4: start of that game, the Knicks get off to a

576
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Speaker 4: great start. I mean they're by as many as fifteen

577
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Speaker 4: to twenty points on us. We scratch, we claw our

578
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Speaker 4: way back in. We have a big third and fourth quarter.

579
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Speaker 4: We crawl all the way back into this ballgame. Being

580
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Speaker 4: down double digits, I get fouled. We're down two. I'm

581
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Speaker 4: going to the free throw line in our building. And

582
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Speaker 4: you know this, Theodore. Being a shooter score, it's sometimes

583
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Speaker 4: just breaking the will of your opponent because you can

584
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Speaker 4: tell you can look at in your opponent's eyes and

585
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Speaker 4: you know when they're about ready to crack. I feel

586
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Speaker 4: if I make both of these free throws and we

587
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Speaker 4: go up one with about two three minutes left, I

588
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Speaker 4: will have broken them. This is it because they were

589
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: ready to fold anyways. But they had played great all

590
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Speaker 4: the way up to this point. I go me, I

591
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Speaker 4: go one for two, and it's a tie ball game.

592
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Speaker 4: And Dan, you know this. There's a difference between tied

593
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Speaker 4: and being up, because all they did was exhale is.

594
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Speaker 4: They didn't get the lead, and they went on to

595
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Speaker 4: be just in game six and we lost game seven.

596
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Speaker 4: So to answer, it's that moment that keeps me up

597
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 4: because I should not miss free throws, especially in a

598
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Speaker 4: moment like that, because they were ready to fold.

599
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Speaker 10: Like a chair.

600
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Speaker 4: I had them on the precipice of being broken, and

601
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Speaker 4: I let them off the hook. So if there's something

602
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Speaker 4: that haunts me a moment, it's that damn free throw.

603
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: That's why it just kills me because it kills me.

604
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: One of the best free throw shooters ever in the NBA,

605
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Speaker 4: I miss a free throw in that moment, it kills me.

606
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Speaker 4: It really kills me because they were ready to be broken. Okay,

607
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: what do you want to know about the NBA?

608
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Speaker 2: What about the Knicks now? Like they're talking about trading

609
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns. I thought that Mike Brown and we

610
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: got to get rid of TIBs and no, no, this

611
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: is a team that can go to the NBA Finals.

612
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: What's wrong with them?

613
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Speaker 10: And they still can go to the NBA Finals.

614
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Speaker 4: But let's be real that Karl Anthony Town's trade demands

615
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: or everyone talking about it, that's nothing new. They were

616
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Speaker 4: talking about doing that last year, even before they made

617
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Speaker 4: the coaching change. Look, something just isn't clicking chemistry wise

618
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: in that locker room and having a chance to cover

619
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Speaker 4: a few of their games this year, and I'm surprised

620
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Speaker 4: because karl Anthene Towns last year under Thibbs averaged twenty

621
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Speaker 4: four points thirteen rebounds, All Star, All NBA Performer this year.

622
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: Numbers can considerably down, still good twenty points, eleven rebounds,

623
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Speaker 4: but his shooting is atrocious.

624
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 9: Now.

625
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Speaker 4: I know it's a new offense, there's more pace a space,

626
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Speaker 4: and there's more flow, but he just doesn't look comfortable

627
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: under Mike Brown's system. And don't get me started on

628
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 4: the defense, which was fantastic under coach Dibbs. As we

629
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Speaker 4: know he is a defensive minded coach. Their defense is atrocious,

630
00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 4: so chemistry balance, Look, Mike Brown says it was going

631
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: to be a while. Look, they've won the Cup a

632
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: month ago and everyone was patting them on the back

633
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: and they've gone I believe seven or eleven since then,

634
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Speaker 4: and they just have not played great basketball on either end.

635
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Speaker 2: We were talking earlier about Jimmy Butler's injury and what

636
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: this means for Golden State because they're not going to

637
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: be challenging for a championship here unless if you trade

638
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: Jonathan Kaminga and you bring in I don't know, Klay

639
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: Thompson or Damar DeRozan or I don't know, but he

640
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: got Steph at thirty seven and you know that window

641
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: is really closing here reg.

642
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 4: Halfway closed, and especially now with the injury to Butler,

643
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: almost closed unless something drastically happens. Look, Mike Dunley Junior,

644
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: the general manager, has gone on record and say we

645
00:33:53,440 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: cannot continue to waste these prime golden years of Stephen

646
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: Curry and Draymond Green to a certain degree. I mean,

647
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: he's thirty five, so I wouldn't be surprised if they

648
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: made a subtle move. I like the DeMar DeRozan. I know, again,

649
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: another older player, but a proven player and a proven score.

650
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: But what do you give up? I know Sacramento all

651
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: along has wanted Jonathan Kaminga, And now this is going

652
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: to be an interesting dynamic because now if you're Steve

653
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: Kerr and the coaching staff and you look down on

654
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: the end of the bitch and you see Kamina after

655
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 4: the injury to Jimmy Butler and you're asking him, oh,

656
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 4: now can you come play for us when you haven't

657
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: played me at all, I'm not going for that. If

658
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 4: I'm Kaminga, something has to happen. Or if I'm Stephen Curry,

659
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 4: maybe I opened up my roleodex. Wow, and maybe it's

660
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: time that I call someone in the Midwest by the

661
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: name of Jannis Antetokumpo, say, look, what you've done in

662
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: Milwaukee has been fabulous. It's been great. You brought them

663
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: a championship there first in fifty years. But the time

664
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: is now, You're you're getting older. I'm certainly knocking on

665
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 4: Father Time's door.

666
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, but how do you pull that off?

667
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 4: Red? I'm gonna know how you do it. You give

668
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 4: up everyone but Stephen Curry and hopefully not Draymond Green,

669
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: but everyone else on the roster.

670
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: Is I'll give you a Draymond Green I don't need.

671
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: If I get Yannis, I'll take my chances. I don't

672
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: want to. I'd hate for that to hold up the trade.

673
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: If you were gonna get be honest.

674
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: If they can get y honest by any means necessary,

675
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: that is something Mike Dunman Leavy is gonna have to

676
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 4: certainly think about.

677
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 10: But Jannis has to be open to that as well.

678
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 4: Because the Bucks aren't going anywhere either, right, They're kind

679
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: of stuck in mud too, So I think it he

680
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 4: doesn't owe them any favors.

681
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: He's done his job, okay, But who's most likely to

682
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: trade for Jannis.

683
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 4: I would say in New York. I think New York

684
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 4: probably has more assets. You could throw in Michel Bridges,

685
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: maybe og Josh Hart, some picks Carlin. I don't know

686
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: if I want karl Anthony Towns. If if I'm Milwaukee, No,

687
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: you got Myles Turner there, that's almost the same. I

688
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: don't know if I want both of those guys there.

689
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: So the carl Anton Towns is not that attractive in Milwaukee.

690
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: But I think the pairing of Jannis and Steph that's fascinating.

691
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 4: That is that's pretty fascinating.

692
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: Could you see Steph? What Steph ever has to be traded?

693
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: No, Okay, I think he's in the same boat as

694
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 4: as Jannis. They will never publicly ask for a trade.

695
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 2: What feels like Milwaukee would trade Jannis. I don't think

696
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: Golden State would trade Steph unless Steph said, let me

697
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: help you get younger, let me go see if I

698
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: can win another championship.

699
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: I think if he went to ownership group and said

700
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: something like that behind closed doors, I think they would

701
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: do everything possible to trade him because right now his

702
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: value is high too. You know a parent where I

703
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: would love I would absolutely love to see Steph go.

704
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: What if Steph teamed up and they have assets. What

705
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: if he teamed up with Wimby in San Antonio? If

706
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 4: you could keep Wimby and maybe Castle, but everyone else

707
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 4: is in play and have Steph.

708
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 10: If you had those.

709
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 4: Three guys, Dylan Harper, great young player, ship them off,

710
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 4: Blue Cornett champion in Boston, another big guy, Ship them off.

711
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: Harrison Barnes who won a championship with the Warriors, Ship

712
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: them off. Kelvin Johnson great, Daron Fox, gotta go.

713
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: Okay, if San Antonio added Steph Curry, who's the team

714
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: to beat in the NBA and is Castle only? You

715
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: can keep Castle? You got Castle in Wemby. You lose Fox,

716
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna lose Harper, Cornette and probably some draft picks.

717
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 10: They're currently where they are right now.

718
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 2: I was still they're second in the West, the second

719
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 2: right now.

720
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 4: So they would still be the second best team.

721
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 10: I would because of experience.

722
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: Obviously I'm gonna lean to it towards the champs, but

723
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: we've seen on a small sample still there are three

724
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: one us versus Okay, see this year.

725
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

726
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: That would be fascinating because you have a proven winner, score,

727
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: someone who could face the floor. And you know, I

728
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: was watching that game last night between this in the Rockets,

729
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 4: and for the life of me, I just don't know

730
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: why they wouldn't run pick and roll with de Aaron

731
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: Fox in Wimby almost every single play. How are you

732
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 4: going to guard that? They rarely run that, or even

733
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: with Stephen Stefan Castle, why wouldn't they run that almost exclusively?

734
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: How would you guard that? Either throw it to the rim,

735
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 4: pick and pop, pick and roll, they go under. That's

736
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: Stephen Curry and they go under. Boom, Baby. There's so

737
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: many things you could do with a de Aaron Fox

738
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: in Wimby. Pick and roll. Fox is just too good,

739
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 4: And to me, they're not using them as most as

740
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 4: they should. It's a shame because offensively they can be

741
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 4: really good.

742
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: Talking to Reggie Miller the Hall of Famer and Coast

743
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: to Coast NBC and Peacock starting at to eight eastern,

744
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: somebody who's gonna get traded? It feels like this trade deadline, right,

745
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: big name.

746
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 4: Look, I think I've read everything too. You've probably heard

747
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: this that John Morant has pulled back his demands of

748
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 4: being traded Zion. That'd be a.

749
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 10: Look that's an interesting thing.

750
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 4: Maybe it's time for a change of place and scene

751
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: every for him as well. But I think Joe Dumars

752
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: kind of wants to see what he has with this

753
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: young core. What's the sample size on Zion? I mean,

754
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: how many games has he played?

755
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: Has He's played twenty nine games this year? But I

756
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: don't want Zion or Ja Morant. I don't want Lunch

757
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: or LaMelo Ball either.

758
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 4: Look, I think a change of pace for all three

759
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 4: of those guys might be in order. I know they're

760
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 4: all all injury prone, and I know they need the

761
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: basketball to be successful, but also they can be a

762
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: difference maker on a winning team, on a winning culture.

763
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 10: Maybe I don't know.

764
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: You got to see Cooper Flag in person.

765
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: He's the real deal, you know, because I wanted to

766
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 4: see how he really seeing it on TV versus seeing

767
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: how someone's change your pace, how they warm up, how

768
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 4: they approach the game when you see it in person

769
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: and up close for a nineteen year old, and I

770
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: give a lot of credit to whoever developed this young

771
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: man in terms of his fundamentals and footwork, and coach

772
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: Jason Kidd and his staff has done a fabulous job

773
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: of allowing him and listen to me carefully when I

774
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 4: say this, allowing him to fail, okay, because the project.

775
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 10: They did of putting him at point guard was brilliant

776
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 10: because at some point in time.

777
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 4: If you can have two or three playmakers on the floor,

778
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: and you know, I think I brought this up on air.

779
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: Coach K called Coach Kid and said, you know what,

780
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: we never thought about doing that. You know, we just

781
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 4: thought he was going to be a forward or though

782
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 4: a ball told me, it's like, this is fascinating, and

783
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: yeah he did. It wasn't great, but he passed a

784
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 4: lot of tests and it's only going to make him better.

785
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 4: So by failing, to me, the Mavericks got better because

786
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 4: he developed his game. This young man is going to

787
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 4: be the face of our game in another three to

788
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: five years because he has all the tools to be great.

789
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: He won't be the face because of Wemby though, and

790
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: Wemby's only two years older than him, isn't he Weby's

791
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 2: Wemby's gonna You know, it's not often when you say

792
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: somebody changes the game, but somebody who is that skilled inside, outside, offensively, defensively.

793
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: I just think that the league is his for the

794
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: next decade.

795
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: If that's the case, then he's gonna have to play

796
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 4: more than twenty eight minutes a game.

797
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 10: I need more Wimby.

798
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 4: I need Yeah, I need a guy that's gonna give

799
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 4: me thirty two to thirty eight and play sixty to

800
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 4: you know, seventy two games.

801
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: Your u c l A Bruins beat Purdue and these

802
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: students storm the floor. Reggie, this is UCLA. What's what?

803
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: What happened to the Bruins? They stormed the floor at home?

804
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: I know we got beating a rant team and produced

805
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: number one.

806
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: No, your u CLA, I know, you know, you don't know,

807
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: you're dang. These kids have no sense in history.

808
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: We got caught up in the moment.

809
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: Why don't they just offer a course in u c

810
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: l A the history of u c l A basketball.

811
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 2: Just said, well, they know we don't storm the court.

812
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 4: I hope Coach Conman went in there and said, what

813
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: did y'all get caught up in this? What is wrong

814
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: with y'all? Do you know who we are? Who he is?

815
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: Are you still a Raider fan?

816
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 10: A Mendoza baby?

817
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, you know my Peck Raiders Colts and

818
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 4: because of my son Chiefs.

819
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 10: But Raiders, die hard raiders.

820
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: Yes. And you saw who was scouting at the championship game.

821
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 10: Tamas the greatest of all time.

822
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 4: Brady, he knows. And can I just say one thing?

823
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 4: Was that the greatest scramble for a touchdown by a quarterback?

824
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 10: Fourth and five?

825
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 4: I wish I had my belt for Michael or Michael, I.

826
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 10: Don't have a belt on.

827
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: You were with all those other opponents when those are

828
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 4: just took off it.

829
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 10: That was a I was screaming, Oh my god.

830
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: Michael Irvin scares me though, Like I get nervous for

831
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: Michael Irvin when he gets excited like that. He was

832
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: more excited than anybody on Miami's team when they had.

833
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 10: It's good to have a cheerleader like Michael.

834
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: Earth, but you don't do that at a u c L.

835
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: A basketball game.

836
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 4: I mean cheer class. I got my clopp I do

837
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: look former players, we get animated. I'm sorry when it

838
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 4: comes to our alma maters.

839
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you.

840
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: I got your excuse me, doctor Theodore evinced.

841
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: And you missed them a free throw shooter and I.

842
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 10: You make those, you go up one. And for people

843
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 10: to say there was a lot of game left.

844
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 4: No, they they were ready. We go up one.

845
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: Did you choke?

846
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 4: I choked?

847
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, I choked. I choked a trip to the finals

848
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 10: because again, you.

849
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: Do have another chance once to New York, but you're

850
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: not going to win that game on the road going

851
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: in game seven. Yep, in those days, not in the

852
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 4: mid nineties, you had to close them out at home.

853
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: I didn't. I apologized Pacer fans. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

854
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: I let him off the hook. That was my bad.

855
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: Why don't you blame you know, your teammates' ba.

856
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 10: Yeah, it will never be.

857
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 4: It'll never be my teammates when you're the man, it

858
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 4: falls right here? Do Yeah?

859
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: Look, do you have Regie stats in that game? Polling?

860
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had twenty seven in that game. In the

861
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 5: last four games of that series, he was the leading

862
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 5: scorer for both teams thirty one, thirty nine, twenty seven,

863
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 5: twenty five.

864
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he should have had twenty eight points.

865
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: No, damn.

866
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 9: Well.

867
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 10: That so that's my moment.

868
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 4: Seeing everyone has this moment, and trust me, I've had

869
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: many of them, but that one just burns me because

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Speaker 4: it's the first. That would have been my first trip

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Speaker 4: to the NBA Finals and.

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Speaker 2: You would have faced san Antonio.

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Speaker 4: What's that?

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Speaker 2: You would have faced san Antonio Houston Okay, oh Houston.

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Speaker 4: Man Max and I going head to head? Oh my god,

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Speaker 4: mad Max keem elivea Wan and Rick Smith.

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Speaker 2: But then we wouldn't have had the John Starks moment.

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Speaker 4: I would have went one for twenty seven. Guarantee that

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Speaker 4: in the firing. I love something wrong, but you know

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Speaker 4: what a lot of that is on pat Riley. You

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Speaker 4: did have Hubert Davis over there, someone who could have

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Speaker 4: came in.

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Speaker 2: Oh she layman Ryles for them.

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Speaker 10: It's called coaching for a reason.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, reg All.

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Speaker 10: I appreciate your theater.

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Speaker 4: Figure.

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Speaker 2: We get some positive numbers in there for reg