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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Wednesday. It's Chuck Todd and yes, the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Podcast is back after a short hiatus. I am back.

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Speaker 1: I am independently owned. I am not part of any

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Speaker 1: media empire. I am a part of the new class

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Speaker 1: of independent journalists. And in some ways you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about reporting without fear or favor, well, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: like working for yourself. The only fear is when I

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Speaker 1: look in the mirror, and the only favor is to

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Speaker 1: try to be honest. No bs for you. As you know,

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Speaker 1: starting on a Wednesday. One of the reasons why I

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Speaker 1: will always have a podcast dropping on Wednesdays is because,

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Speaker 1: as you know, as I like to say, is that

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Speaker 1: if it's Tuesday, somebody is voting somewhere. Well, this Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: past Tuesday, April first, was a pretty significant Tuesday, at

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Speaker 1: least in the first one hundred days. Here we are

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Speaker 1: still in the middle of the first hundred days of

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Speaker 1: the new Trump administration, seventy two to be exact. And

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Speaker 1: but these early elections, so you two have special elections

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Speaker 1: in Florida last night, and the Wisconsin Supreme Court race

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Speaker 1: also that was a statewide election. And look, I will

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Speaker 1: go down rabbit holes later throughout these episodes. I won't

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Speaker 1: do it here. It drives me nuts that we even

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Speaker 1: have elections for judges. I think that is ludicrous. Go

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Speaker 1: read Alexander Hamilton's Federalist papers on this. We should not

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Speaker 1: be electing judges. But I'm not going to go on

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Speaker 1: that rant. Now. What matters here is what did we

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Speaker 1: learn from this? Well, we're seventy two days in to

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Speaker 1: the Donald Trump administration. In many ways, it's deja vous

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Speaker 1: all over again. What we're seeing in the Democratic Party's

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Speaker 1: over performance in these three special elections on April first,

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Speaker 1: and frankly another special election a couple weeks ago in

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Speaker 1: same phenomenon Franks we saw in twenty eighteen. There is

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Speaker 1: something that I believe that exists. I call them shotgun

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Speaker 1: Trump voters, meaning when Trump's on the ballot, they vote,

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Speaker 1: and when Trump's not on the ballot, they don't. Well,

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Speaker 1: Trump wasn't on the ballot in Wisconsin, and his people

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Speaker 1: didn't come out enough. Trump wasn't on the ballot in

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Speaker 1: Florida one or Florida six, and the Republican candidates underperformed

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Speaker 1: by fifteen to twenty points, respectively. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to know why at least Steffonic, the New York congresswoman

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Speaker 1: why her nomination was yanked last week, all you have

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Speaker 1: The two districts in Florida were districts that Trump carried

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Speaker 1: by thirty points. And the fact of the matter is

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Speaker 1: an underperformance by fifty to twenty points by a Republican

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Speaker 1: Republicans to win both special elections in Florida. These were

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Speaker 1: very Republican districts. The Stefanic District, which is right not

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Speaker 1: The question, of course, is who's to blame. Is this

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Speaker 1: Let me start in Florida, where, in many ways I

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Speaker 1: the White House blaming Ronda Santis for underperformance in at

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Speaker 1: For those of you that follow the news media, if

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Speaker 1: by the current National Security Advisor, Mike Walton. Of course,

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Speaker 1: last week. But more importantly, he's somebody that the MAGA,

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Speaker 1: And I think Waltz is sitting there and he's in

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Speaker 1: a very precarious position because he's not seen as a

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Speaker 1: sure how much how much leeway Waltz has. And let's

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Speaker 1: not forget Donald Trump went through four national security advisors

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Speaker 1: one thing I've learned about Donald Trump over the years,

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Speaker 1: He had four chiefs of staffs in four years. He

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Speaker 1: So in some ways, the proximity you know, when it

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Speaker 1: Now DeSantis was hoping Randy Fine would fail. Why Well,

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Speaker 1: Randy Fine was one of the first Florida State legislators

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Speaker 1: Take Trump's side. And Trump, of course is loves loves

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Speaker 1: that type of call it loyalty, whatever you want to

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Speaker 1: in the end, it's still a massive underperformance. But the irony. Now,

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Speaker 1: Governor DeSantis had spent the last forty eight hours saying, well,

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Speaker 1: So let's just say, in my conversations last night with

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Speaker 1: let's go to Wisconsin. Let me make this clear, had

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Speaker 1: Democrats lost this Supreme Court race, this would have been catastrophic.

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Speaker 1: They should feel good that they won, and they had

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Speaker 1: This is almost we're starting to see the party in power.

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Speaker 1: This is the first test of party in power. You're

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk chose to insert himself even more so into

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Speaker 1: and the economy. But Musk has been quite the distraction,

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Speaker 1: And let's not forget Musk is the single biggest financier

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Speaker 1: that do hope that the message that Washington Republicans receive

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Speaker 1: it's not a surprise Republicans lost this seat. It is

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Speaker 1: a surprise that they lost a swing state like this

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Speaker 1: by nearly double digits. And it is going to be

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Speaker 1: I was full confession. Over the weekend. I was dorking

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Speaker 1: out with my fantasy baseball drafts. I'm in a league

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Speaker 1: that has been around for over forty years. We claim

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Speaker 1: fact our league claims to be the second oldest fantasy

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Speaker 1: folks in New York. Well, we do it at a

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Speaker 1: Do you guys need to do a better job of

434
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Speaker 1: explaining why USAID is good for America?

435
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Speaker 2: Well? Sure, but we also have to remember people have

436
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: a limited bandwidth. Like it's not like people are going

437
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Speaker 2: to hook themselves in and listen to every last thing

438
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Speaker 2: that we hang on or that we're sitting around in

439
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Speaker 2: the parking lot at Walmart. I'm like, let me let

440
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Speaker 2: me download the Ezra Kleine a thing. You know, It's like,

441
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Speaker 2: this is the thing people. People have all different kinds

442
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Speaker 2: ofs of sources, whether it's social media, whether it's their friends,

443
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Speaker 2: whether how that is is. People sometimes forget that they

444
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Speaker 2: are not preoccupied with a lot of the things that

445
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Speaker 2: are happening here.

446
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Speaker 1: So how do you so, what do you? What do

447
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Speaker 1: you think the best way is to communicate to those folks?

448
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think it's it's about I

449
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Speaker 2: like to think that when you speak or when you

450
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Speaker 2: do have opinions, I think if there's less people will

451
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Speaker 2: maybe take more attention on those things, or it might

452
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Speaker 2: matter more. So there are plenty of things that I

453
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Speaker 2: don't I don't agree with with the vast majority of

454
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Speaker 2: these things, but I would like to remind other folks

455
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Speaker 2: we don't have the ability to produce constant outrage because

456
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Speaker 2: we have to find you know, the governance is front

457
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Speaker 2: and center here and in the face of a lot

458
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Speaker 2: of things that I don't understand. You know, that doesn't

459
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Speaker 2: mean we support these things, but when there is a vote,

460
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Speaker 2: we have where we are in the minority and they

461
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Speaker 2: own the government right now until and I do expect

462
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Speaker 2: that we will get the majority back in the House

463
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Speaker 2: in January of twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: One of the early special election victories for Democrats took

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Speaker 1: place in Pennsylvania last week. Sure, now absolutely, Now do

466
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Speaker 1: you think this is a sign yeah?

467
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Speaker 2: No, I mean, and it's the same time that happened

468
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Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, where people wanted to celebrate

469
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Speaker 2: or see, like, I don't think every small election is

470
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Speaker 2: like the oracle, but it's something that we want to celebrate.

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Speaker 2: But it also is part of you. That just means

472
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Speaker 2: that we went back to twenty seven twenty three and

473
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Speaker 2: the Pennant Senate, so we're still a permanent minority effectively,

474
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Speaker 2: and I witnessed that as lieutenant governor, as the president

475
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Speaker 2: of the state Senate there, so that's the point that

476
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Speaker 2: it was amazing that we captured that seat. But we're

477
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Speaker 2: still at twenty seven to twenty three. It doesn't mean

478
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Speaker 2: we still you know, we still drive the train.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of debate about what happened in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Can I can I talk about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was and you know after the debate, Yeah,

484
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Speaker 2: you know, the infamous debate. Yeah, that that really blasted

485
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Speaker 2: everything apart and people quickly, and that's reasonable that you know,

486
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Speaker 2: we need a new messenger, We need to have a

487
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Speaker 2: new way forward. We have to find something new. It

488
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Speaker 2: has to be different. And I the clock was ticking, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

489
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Speaker 2: that's the thing. So I kind of I warned my

490
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Speaker 2: colleagues and I'm like, hey, if you blast this apart,

491
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Speaker 2: I get that, but but you are in a significant risk.

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Speaker 2: I am trying to explain that that Trump is deeply

493
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Speaker 2: popular in my state, and those are the states that

494
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: are going to depend who's going to win. So that's

495
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Speaker 2: a serious risk. And they and everybody decided to do that.

496
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Speaker 2: And how it happened, and that's why I'm saying right now,

497
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Speaker 2: it's like in a rush, in a sense of desperation,

498
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Speaker 2: we made We made a quick decision and then how

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Speaker 2: that worked out.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like you don't think that you think the decision

501
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Speaker 1: was too rash.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I what I'm saying though, it's like, you know,

503
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Speaker 2: if you got what you demanded, then it's it's I

504
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: think it's appropriate to own the outcome as well too,

505
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: and a rush to just do something in response to

506
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Speaker 2: the stress and the impending thing. It's like, I see, now,

507
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Speaker 2: what's about shutting the government down?

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Speaker 1: Do you think voters embraced trumpsm with this decision or

509
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Speaker 1: simply rejected culture?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I think there's there's a

511
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Speaker 2: segment that are always going to support everything, and then

512
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Speaker 2: there's some other there's a segment where some people are

513
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Speaker 2: just kind of numb to it, where like you know,

514
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Speaker 2: like I can't follow it, or I'm just kind of like,

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Why do I think some Fetterman voters from twenty two

517
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Speaker 1: or from some of your voters ended up voting for Trump?

518
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Speaker 1: How would you explain it?

519
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: All I know is that there were some other dynamic

520
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: too that was very special to two things in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Was the assassination. I mean, oh yeah, I mean I

522
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: was maybe twenty twenty miles away at that when that

523
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Speaker 2: happened and I was following it, and when I saw

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Speaker 2: those iconic images and things about fight fight and there's

525
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Speaker 2: blood everywhere, and it's like wow. I was even I

526
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Speaker 2: said that to a team member, like that might be ballgame,

527
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Speaker 2: and immediately I saw people on shirts with that image

528
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Speaker 2: and there was palpable angry there and that really brought

529
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Speaker 2: a lot of the energy together. And now I try like,

530
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: what if that was Obama that was being in like fight,

531
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Speaker 2: fight fight, what that would have meant to for the

532
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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. So that and then the second thing was

533
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Speaker 2: Musk at that point, he was a Tony Stark kind

534
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Speaker 2: of and people were really just thrilled to see him

535
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Speaker 2: at a lot of the events, and of course you

536
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Speaker 2: had the money too. But it brought everything together. And

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Speaker 2: I can absolutely say that that's the kind of thing

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Speaker 2: that cost us Bob Casey too, because my one shock

539
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Speaker 2: in the twenty four cycle was losing Bob Casey, and

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Speaker 2: I think it was twelve or thirteen thousand votes. Now

541
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Speaker 2: that definitely mattered at least thirteen thousand votes as well too.

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Speaker 1: You ever met Musk.

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Speaker 2: Briefly, briefly, but I haven't had like an actual conversation,

544
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Speaker 2: but I just want to say, like I still be

545
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Speaker 2: happy to even though he's becoming increasingly more unpopular, And

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Speaker 2: I would like to just say that's part of what's

547
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: appropriate fighting back. It does not mean let's go destroy

548
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Speaker 2: someone's tesla or put bombs in a dealership or doing

549
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: those things, because it wasn't that long ago. You know,

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Speaker 2: the Democrats we used to love Tesla's.

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Speaker 1: Right, What what do you think of It looks like

552
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: he's taking a sledhammer to things that could use a scalpel.

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Speaker 1: How does Congress force itself to have more of a

554
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: role in this doge business?

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00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: Because a lot of a lot of times the Democrats

556
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: we've been frozen out of that because we don't have

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Speaker 2: the votes. And the Republicans a lot of them, and

558
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: a lot of my colleagues privately are really concerned or

559
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Speaker 2: where they may not even understand why are we doing

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Speaker 2: this and like now punching our allies in the face,

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Speaker 2: you know, going after Canada or going after Mexico or

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Speaker 2: going after the UK and all of these things, like

563
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Speaker 2: you know, no matter how degree of chess you're playing,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand what The upside is so if you

565
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Speaker 2: really want to build something, then it's just seeing all

566
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Speaker 2: it's building is chaos and confusion. And you know, I

567
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: know business they want certainty because then they can make

568
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Speaker 2: investments or they can respond to the kind of circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Is there any part of I mean, would you want

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Speaker 1: to play if they invited you know, made this a

571
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Speaker 1: congressionally mandated Hey, we've got to we want to cut

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent from the government's sort of bureaucracy. Let's get

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Speaker 1: everybody involved right now.

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Speaker 2: The one that I just possibly now I understand there

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Speaker 2: is an argument, surely would be because we have a

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Speaker 2: significant deficit, should be spending any money for foreign aid,

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Speaker 2: right But one that I just will never understand is

578
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Speaker 2: going after social security like that is the most sacred

579
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Speaker 2: of a sacred cows. And you have tens of millions

580
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Speaker 2: of America that depend on that. I know, and I

581
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: love people that do that, And I will never understand

582
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: to scare people and to sew that kind of chaos,

583
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: what's your upside other than to enrage people and they're

584
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Speaker 2: going to blow up you know, your sides, you know,

585
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: phones and definitely mine as well. And if you don't

586
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Speaker 2: understand what's the upside to torment people that depend on it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think a guy with his tech background just

588
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Speaker 1: can't comprehend that seventy year old people want to telephone.

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Speaker 1: There's a disconnection, there has to there is.

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Speaker 2: And now that's why I also kind of reject this

591
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Speaker 2: idea that that folks like musk A involved just about money.

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Speaker 2: I think just the opposite of that. I think it's

593
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Speaker 2: about just being involved because he has you know, if

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Speaker 2: anything is now you can see the tok the stock

595
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: prices of Tesla, it's actually costing him money. But yeah,

596
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: how it's hard to understand that what you're doing is terrifying.

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00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: They're terrifying people. And why you want to have an

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Speaker 2: elderly woman that are in a fixed income and to

599
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Speaker 2: now them wonder now they can't get anyone on the

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Speaker 2: phone to just get that reassurance. It's like, that's that's

601
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Speaker 2: cruel and it's unnecessary and politically it's absolutely a loser.

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Speaker 1: Tariffs. You hearing a lot about it. Are people nervous

603
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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania about the costs that will be associated with tariffs?

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Speaker 1: Do they make the connection or not yet? Who knows?

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00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: Who knows?

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00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: Because you know, a tariff today is a changed tomorrow

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00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: or six hours later whatever. And now, if your goal

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Speaker 2: is to to increase more manufacturing jobs one hundred percent,

609
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: but how can you possibly count on these tariffs sticking

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Speaker 2: around long enough till we can build you know, the

611
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Speaker 2: factory and to all those plans. So and then what

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Speaker 2: really thing that I was truly shocked too is going

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Speaker 2: after chips, going after the chip bill. That was the

614
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: you know by part about Americans Todd Young will aleite sponsors.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that's I like, like now I stopped

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Speaker 2: playing the like the whatever degree of chess where it's like,

617
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: it's just absolutely irrational. So uh, and that adds to

618
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: part of the confusion and the frustration, and it makes

619
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 2: it even more and more difficult to see the upside.

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Speaker 1: The decision to I don't know if we want to

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Speaker 1: call it attack our European allies or sort of threaten

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Speaker 1: them about our how willing the United States will be

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Speaker 1: with NATO and all of this stuff. How long do

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Speaker 1: you do you fear that it's going to take decades

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Speaker 1: for Europeans to trust America again.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was, you know, part of

627
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Speaker 2: the whole signal gait. It was truly heartbreaking because it

628
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: absolutely confirmed the Vice Resident's contempt for the Europeans. And

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Speaker 2: I don't get that.

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Speaker 1: Theses are culturally our closest allies, not just right there close,

631
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Speaker 1: but culturally so many Americans share so much these are

632
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Speaker 1: It's it's like why why.

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Speaker 2: It's just like walking into a room full of supporters,

634
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Speaker 2: you know, and start swinging in there, and it's like why.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm a student of history and I've

636
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: watched a lot of that and what Europe's been for

637
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: and what America did after World War Two and help

638
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: rebuild these things. It's a remarkable And now we are

639
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: attacking these nations now and now embracing I mean, we're

640
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: roughly the same age. I mean, do you remember Red Dawn?

641
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Speaker 2: I mean, how about.

642
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Speaker 1: Remember the miniseries America with a K.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we read all the Russia was the evil Empire

644
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: and we were cheering for the Wolverines, and you know,

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Speaker 2: the invasion of the Russian.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like we switched sides, you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know if we've switched or we've

648
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: just kind of totally lost our way because Ukraine was

649
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: our ally and we were in the same fight to

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Speaker 2: defend and project and defend democracy and that was heartbreaking

651
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Speaker 2: as well too. And here we have imagined a war

652
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: must be feeling like three years of war and in

653
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: where you're living and they're firing missiles into your cities,

654
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: and you are sending your sons and your fathers, even

655
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: in your grandfathers back into the front line for nothing,

656
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: and that it's not sustainable. And I don't understand what

657
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: the upside for backing people that literally assassinates people that

658
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: disagree or they throw out them a window. It's part

659
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: of the mystery what can be done in the Senate.

660
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure some of your Republican colleagues can't stand this,

661
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: but they're afraid to speak out. That's after one of

662
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Speaker 2: the things I done as a Senator was as proud of,

663
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: was to vote for that AID and I was like,

664
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Speaker 2: this is the last opportunity, I think that to deliver

665
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: some critical resources to push back against Russia. And I

666
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: don't know how that's ever going to happen again. And

667
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: it's very clear there's contempt and there's no support. And

668
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: my hope is that it's brought to an end with

669
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Speaker 2: a minimal loss of the Ukrainian soil and in a

670
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Speaker 2: way where people that there's peace and now that I

671
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: guess they're trying to think that hope that Russia is

672
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: now going to get back into that of an offense thing.

673
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Speaker 1: Nevil Chamberlain thought that about Hitler.

674
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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's just part of it's just part of

675
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: like it's just don't I don't get that, and you know,

676
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: picking fights on our allies Japan or the UK or Canada.

677
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: It's it's it's incredibly disappointing. You have much of a

678
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: relationship with Vance uh with who with Vance? No, No,

679
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: I don't And it's like his views. I mean, I

680
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: guess I try to find ways like well, at least

681
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: I think we're very both fully supportive of Israel, and

682
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: I was became a bit of an outlier in the

683
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: party for a front Israel. But I hope and we're

684
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: gonna it's like now talk about Taiwan. Now, I think

685
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: maybe we can agree that China is not even a

686
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: frendem me. I think that's an absolute a threat to

687
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: the world order. And Taiwan if they move towards the unification,

688
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: what kind of a message are we sending to the

689
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: world where we are effectively turning our back to what

690
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: Russia's done with Ukraine and now. And I think there's

691
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people for the Chinese, the Chinese Ese

692
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: government to start, you know, work the room and be

693
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: like hey, you know, like you don't want him around,

694
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Well how about us? How about us? You know, well

695
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: let's be let's be friends, let's be buddy. And then

696
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: that's part of that too, where.

697
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: I don't mean, isn't it inevitable now that Taiwan is

698
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: not going to be able to rely on the United States?

699
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Speaker 2: I agree that that's the point. It's like the Unification,

700
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Speaker 2: I think it almost feels inevitable, and I don't probably

701
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: without firing a shot. Yeah, well yeah, But my point

702
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: it's like, what are we projecting to the world audience

703
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: what we're doing now in Ukraine? Are we going to

704
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: push back these kinds of governments that have been up

705
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: to you know, two months ago, it was unthinkable to

706
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: just embrace Greenland.

707
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Speaker 1: We all thought was a joke, right, I think we

708
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: all thought this was some bizarre social media meme. Now

709
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: it looks like it's a serious obsession.

710
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: Well, I you know, I originally thought, well, that's not

711
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: new to the American experience. You know, Truman wanted to

712
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: purchase it and it wasn't.

713
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Uh.

714
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: And now one of the things Trump is right about

715
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: is fixating on Earth as well, and that's part of it.

716
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: Accept the Arctic. Look, we need we don't have access

717
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: to the Arctic the way the Russians and the Chinese did.

718
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly now, and we would be freaking out if

719
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: Russia was trying to grab it. That's where the Chinese was.

720
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: So I do get that, and there is actually truth

721
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: in it. But this idea that we got to get

722
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: it one way or the other, that's that's shocking and

723
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: disappointing and appalling to I mean, you can't invade. No,

724
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: and put that in perspective. It's three times the size

725
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: of Texas Land and it has fewer people than Harrisburg.

726
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: You know, like, are we going to invade? You know that,

727
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's absurd. Do we need a relationship with Greenland?

728
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: We want to strengthen it. Absolutely. I've met with with

729
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: the if it's the Prime Minister or the president of

730
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: the green sat in that in this office, and I

731
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: wanted to say, like, no one in this in this

732
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: body is going to say, now, let's invade you. But

733
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: but it's true, though we want a strong relation.

734
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: They would have cooperated with us pretty much on anything

735
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: we asked because they do want.

736
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Speaker 2: Our security, right, No, I agree. So that's part of

737
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: the truth in that we need the you know, the

738
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: Chinese have us buy the balls on the rare earth

739
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 2: market market and now that's part of the Ukraine deal

740
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: and that's part of the Greenland. So that is true.

741
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: But it's also not bonkers are insane to talk about

742
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: Greenland because that is part of the amount.

743
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Accept that. But it's like it's like, also, you know,

744
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: I've joked about American imperialism post World War Two. NATO

745
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: was a way for us to have Europe without the

746
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: responsibility of governing Europe. Yeah, well, I mean I don't

747
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: mean to be that cynical about it, but I mean

748
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: that was a cheaper way to do it.

749
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's also too though, it's like you know

750
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: that that's we have a special responsibility to push back

751
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: about that, and and that has you know, like it's

752
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking. I thought we should be proud of our

753
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: role there to to to really protect the world and

754
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: be that that's a source, that's a source of pride,

755
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: and now it seems something to be ashamed of or

756
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: to want to turn our back to.

757
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: I've always said about Americans don't like the idea that

758
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: world the world's policeman.

759
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: No, no, that's not.

760
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: That's that's but here's what I will say when I

761
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: accept the premise, because I'd rather have us be America's

762
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: policeman the world's policemen. If we're not, somebody else is

763
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: going to be and we're not going to like that. Well,

764
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, does mean you can? You know you can,

765
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: you can you can engage on every last things. Uh,

766
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: there's there's tragedy that there's very little you can do,

767
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: like the absolutely the genocide in Sudan, that the catastrophe

768
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: there that's happening. But but for me, uh, that's not

769
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: being like a policeman. But it's about being the force

770
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: the wall standing against these forces that have been trying

771
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: to to to pull our world into chaos into more war.

772
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: Uh So I think that's that used to be the best,

773
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: the best part of American uh, the American experience. Even

774
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, Ronald Reagan understood that, and that's why a

775
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: lot of people in my party voted for that because

776
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: we can agree that we are, you know that the

777
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: shining city on the Hill, and I don't know why

778
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: we we seem to have lost being proud of that. Well,

779
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: tell me about the mar Alago visit. How was it?

780
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that was some people like, why are you

781
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: doing that? Well, yeah, that's the president and he invited.

782
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: I checked your United States senator from a pretty important state.

783
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: And if the president wants to meet with joy, wouldn't.

784
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 2: You Well that's the point I mean, like why why

785
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't you? Now imagine like flip the script now, if

786
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: there was a Republican senator and President Obama said, hey,

787
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: would you like to have and he refused, Yeah, well,

788
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: you know that would be outrageous, even in a very

789
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: small way. I think it was a spouse of a

790
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: Republican senator. He refused to shake the hand of Vice

791
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 2: President Harris. You know whatever, having a conversation with doesn't

792
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: mean that you agree on everything. There's no ring to kiss.

793
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: We lose this. Yeah, no, it's like that's the thing.

794
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: If for me, it's like it's an opportunity to understand

795
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: where the president is coming from. And had a conversation

796
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: and it was he played it straight. It was about

797
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: seventy five minutes, and I have no regrets on things.

798
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: So for me, that's exactly what it was. It wasn't

799
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: about trying to get pictures or turn it into it's

800
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: just straight what if.

801
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: His agenda could you be supportive of? In theory?

802
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: For me, it's it's increasingly more to find that because

803
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: the chaos and the blowback. Like I thought, one of

804
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: we could agree on is a secure border and about

805
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: that is being very fully supportive of Israel. Another thing

806
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: we can agree on about absolutely strong military, unapologetically about

807
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: lethal so there's things we can agree and protecting the

808
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: American steel industry too. But now when you are tearing

809
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: apart the government or scaring about social security or these

810
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: other things, it's getting more and more difficult to find

811
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: a way to work together. Like we even talked about

812
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: maybe even protecting for protecting the dreamers, and now it's

813
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: now pretty it's getting more and more difficult to find

814
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: a way to work together because it's being more and

815
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: more toxic and even the absolute lack of civility.

816
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: Somebody asks you, who's the leader of the Democratic Party,

817
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: what's your answer.

818
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 2: That, it's almost like an oxymoron, you know. That's that's

819
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: the thing. So like I think we all we all

820
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: have to decide on what which you'll be. And I

821
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: want to be the guy that's not gonna gonna lie

822
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: to my Democrat fellow Democrats. I'm not going to pander.

823
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to project what I believe is the truth

824
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: or a new uh about the true North, a true

825
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: North through to emerge from it. And for me, the

826
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: clarific the point of shutting the government down that that

827
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: you know, so to me, there was no kind of

828
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: release for that, that frustration and anger. You know, what's

829
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: going to happen. We're only two months into this administration.

830
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: What happens after two more months, another two more, after

831
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: six months, we're going to get back to that same

832
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: cr when that expires. Will there be votes and here

833
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: in the Senate to keep the government open. I probably not,

834
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: But I'd like to remind too to people listening, it

835
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: was only because of the zombie votes, you know, the

836
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: ones that you know, my colleagues, The majority of the

837
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: votes that the livered breaking the filibuster were those that

838
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: are now they're not running for reelection or they're in

839
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: their last term.

840
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: So that tells me I'm going to be. The way

841
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: I would interpret that to somebody is, look, there were

842
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot more people who probably wanted to would have

843
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: voted to keep the government open.

844
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: I agree, they free writers, free riders.

845
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: Yes, vote, I mean what is it?

846
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: Vote no?

847
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: Hope? Yes, think about.

848
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: That, you know, Durban King, Shaheen Peters and and I

849
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: know my friend from Hawaii has other kinds of considerations.

850
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: But he did it. That shows Look, whatever you want

851
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: to always finding people want to question motive. But but

852
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: with leadings about.

853
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: Without that block, our government would be we'd be talking

854
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: about what now that it's been shut down.

855
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: They wouldn't without those votes, Republicans wouldn't have reopened it. No,

856
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: that's of course not. I mean, where's our leverage for what?

857
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: Don't you think Musk would have preferred it? Of course,

858
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: of course, and vought.

859
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 2: You know, they could just sit down in a big

860
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: room with a big table and you know what do

861
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: you want You're going to make this emergency.

862
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: We'll open this up. We'll never open this up again,

863
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: I know. And it's like.

864
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: The one thing that they could never do individually. We

865
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: are handing it over to them, and I'm screaming, like,

866
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: we can't do that.

867
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett seemed to indicate frustration, not with the decision,

868
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: frustration with the communication that it was poorly community. You're

869
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: doing a better job of explaining. Yeah, you're doing a

870
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: better job of explaining why you couldn't do it, Loved.

871
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: If you had leverage, you had have done it, but

872
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: you didn't have it. One day, the Leader Schumer says

873
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: you have leverage, one day you don't. Did he botch

874
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: the messaging here?

875
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: Well? To be clear, I wasn't part of the conversation. No,

876
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: I was really an outlier. I'm like the guy I

877
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: dropped it on social media like I can't ever be

878
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: as front and center, and I was genuinely shocked. But

879
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: for me, where our party is at, my concern is,

880
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, I agree with what Leader Schumer did, and

881
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm not going to attack leadership right now. If we

882
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: are going to attack or go after anyone that should

883
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: be be the.

884
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: You're for Schumer to step down?

885
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: No, I mean, and I'm not aware of any Julius

886
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: Caesar kinds of two brutes you know, coming like that. No, honestly,

887
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: and I was.

888
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Past the eyes of March.

889
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, good, good efforts. But what I

890
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: will but what I will say is that after two months,

891
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: we reached that point where we were going to do

892
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: something unthinkable, and now there is no an emergency release.

893
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: You know what happens next? Where does this go when

894
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: this pressure and the outrage and the other kinds of

895
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: things continue to build, build build, Where does this will

896
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: manifest itself?

897
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: If both parties rely heavily on billionaires.

898
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: That's another truth.

899
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: It's like, is that how dangerous is that for the democracy?

900
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: Can I just say this too? Like, you know, I

901
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: think we could all agree with what Justice Roberts made

902
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: a pushback against, you know, kind of intimidating judges. What

903
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: I wish you would say is that I regret my

904
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: Citizens United ruling, because that's what turned billionaires as titans.

905
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: In this conversation, everybody has to find their own billionaire, right,

906
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: That's exactly you all need one. It's like an arms

907
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: race for for that. If you change Citizens United, that

908
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 2: would transform Americans politics. That would be the most one

909
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: simple to change things. You know, and you know, for

910
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: people if you're campaigning against about a larkie, that's all

911
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: that's all part of it. It's like unlimited money, unlimited voice,

912
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 2: and that you know.

913
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: So unlimited influence.

914
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: And it's what's true. You know, whether if it's a

915
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: Lot Musk or anyone else. They could drop fifty million

916
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: dollars into a campaign easier than I could buy you

917
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee.

918
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: That's with it, and it changes what you talk about

919
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: in the campaign. They can dictate what issues get advertised

920
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: on and you don't even get to have the conversation

921
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: with voters that you, the elected official want to have.

922
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have the resources to destroy, you know, truth,

923
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: you can drop. You can drop ten or twenty million

924
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: dollars in a market.

925
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 1: Other than overturning Citizens United? What is there any other

926
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: way to deal with this?

927
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: My cycle in twenty two, I thought, I mean that

928
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: was that was the most expensive.

929
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: Till the next one.

930
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now and now I think Ohio was half

931
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: a billion, And so was Bob.

932
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: Ka getting outraged about quarterbacks getting contracts. It doesn't matter,

933
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: the next one will be bigger.

934
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: No, No, it's like, so I'm trying to warn people.

935
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: It's like now, it's like if anyway, if this ever

936
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: gets the justice Roberts, you know, that single case transformed

937
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: and set us locked and loaded to go against what

938
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: we now are living right now.

939
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: So would you be uncomfortable if the Democrats found their

940
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: own billionaire in Mark Cuban and ran him for president? Well,

941
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: I've said this, I've said that.

942
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, like now some of the messaging

943
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: is we're bashing the billionaires, but we happen to like

944
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: the ones that donate to us or support us too.

945
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: And now you want to change it. Take unlimited money

946
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: out of the there and now suddenly if the most

947
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 2: you can give is two hundred and fifty dollars, then

948
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: they have no kinds of So that's really that's the cancer,

949
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: and that's really the underlying truth, and that's we've arrived

950
00:53:58,920 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: in that moment.

951
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: I know we're wrapping up, So I'm going to make

952
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: you answer the twenty eight question. What would it take

953
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: to get you to run for president?

954
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean, I am focusing right now on just

955
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: the burgeoning kinds of chaos and trying to find a

956
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: balance and find a way forward, and you know, doing

957
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: things that I know that will anger parts of my base.

958
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: I hope that there is room in my party for

959
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 2: someone wants that kind is a truth or just.

960
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: Are you trying to plow a path forward for somebody

961
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: like that or do you want to take the path?

962
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I am not saying no.

963
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of being honest. And now, if there

964
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: is going to be blowback or I'm punished, I get that.

965
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: But for me, I think it's more important to be

966
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: honest and to descript the should me to describe the

967
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: danger of where we possibly at and we have to

968
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: stop and think before we make another significant mistake that's

969
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: even more and more difficult to come back from.

970
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to put you down as not a

971
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: no for twenty eight.

972
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that there will be a twenty

973
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 2: twenty eight. You know, it's like, oh yeah, it's common

974
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: one way or the other. I know, yeah, but no,

975
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: but no. But but where I'm at, though, is where

976
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm at. Though seriously, honestly, our party, our party, that

977
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: can I address this now? This you know, this, this

978
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: conspiracy that I'm going to leave my party. It's like,

979
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: that's bonkers. I'm not. And now there's other people that

980
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: are now saying, well, we should go independent or run,

981
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 2: Like could you imagine if I start saying these things,

982
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm a Democrat. You know, they used to

983
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: call me a you know, crazy socialist communist, and now

984
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: some people are saying, well, he must be mega or whatever.

985
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm still just a Democrat and my values

986
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: have and fundamentally changed. So that's kind of where I'm

987
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 2: trying to fight back against these weird forces.

988
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible that the party. It's funny you

989
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: say that about Independent. It's possible that there's this people

990
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: in the middle who feel like the Democrats are going

991
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: to be too far to the left. Is that your fear.

992
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: I'm betting my career on that that there has to

993
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: be enough people.

994
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: There's going to be a correction back to the center.

995
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's always going to be reaction and overreaction,

996
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: all those things. But I'd like to remind people some

997
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 2: of the things that were pushed in twenty twenty made

998
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: it very difficult to win in twenty four and now

999
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: if we push back and now we bring back to

1000
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: some of these kinds of positions, I'd like to remind

1001
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: everybody there's the seven states that decide who's going to

1002
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: be in the iron throne. And then so now let's

1003
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: not forget. And then some of the strongest, loudest voices

1004
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: are coming from the deepest, deepest blue areas.

1005
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: And now, so don't I'm guessing your warning is, don't

1006
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: over don't overread into these crowd sizes that AOC and

1007
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: Bernie are getting.

1008
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: Well, I've been at a lot of big events. You know,

1009
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: In fact, I ended this. I there was a gigantic

1010
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: crowd the night before the election. You know that there's

1011
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: a lot of big events. Uh, it's you know, I'm

1012
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: not in a business of saying, well, there's a big crowd.

1013
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: So that means everything's going to work out, because if

1014
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: it did, you know, Hillary Clinton would have been president

1015
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: and now we would be celebrating Harris president. So that's

1016
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: the So for for me, it's about remembering it all

1017
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: gets decided by the same states. And now I send

1018
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: and I sell every thought through a jury in a

1019
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: walm Art parking lot in Scranton. And how is that

1020
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: going to sound? How is that going to land? Explain it?

1021
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: This?

1022
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: What's you know, because that's you know, I wouldn't describe

1023
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: an average I would just be like, these are voters,

1024
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: these are the people that decide this, And I don't

1025
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: look down and say what's wrong with you? You're voting

1026
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: against it. I'm not going to talk down. And now

1027
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: we don't even have the time to talk about our

1028
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: problem and the challenge that we have with with men

1029
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: as well too. So so for me, you know, when

1030
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: you yes, that is there, there's someone with that in

1031
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: that lane, and that's what I'm literally betting my career

1032
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: that there is one.

1033
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that I have my kids are

1034
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: a little bit older than yours. I understand you're on

1035
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: college tours, you're getting ready, you're getting started. I just

1036
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: have a senior in high school. We're done. Oh really

1037
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but a and a junior in college. But uh,

1038
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a good time with these college tours.

1039
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah well no, but I did. But speaking of that, uh,

1040
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, my oldest is sixteen and now I'm helping

1041
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: him learn how to drive. So so yeah, so let's

1042
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: go on. Great, And I'd like to remind people that's

1043
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: another reason why I want to stay in that fight,

1044
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: because I want them to grow up in and so.

1045
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: But but in normal environments, right.

1046
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, environment I agree, But but but it's I

1047
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: hope people listening realize how it's even more worse than

1048
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: you might think, you know, inside inside Washington.

1049
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you tell people it's worse than you imagine?

1050
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: No, it is, it is. And and it's like I ask, like,

1051
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: what's twelve times for forty eight? Well that's how long

1052
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: his term is. And we're down too, and there's a

1053
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of ground to.

1054
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: Cover forty six months ago, yeah, exactly and forty six months.

1055
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: And that's why we all just have to say, well, look,

1056
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: they are taking us in a direction that our side

1057
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: we never agreed. There's not one single Democrat in my

1058
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: caucus that agrees with all of these things that are happening.

1059
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: But but remember I revere democracy, and in November of last year,

1060
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: it decided they want this, they signed up for this.

1061
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: Elections have consequences, Yeah, exactly, there are consequences, and that's

1062
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: why we get a chance to revisit that for the

1063
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: mid the midterm. Uh. And then that's why I do

1064
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: expect that we'll get back the majority in the House.

1065
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: Uh. Just on the record, your health. Uh, you listeners

1066
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: are going to want to wonder, Yeah, looks like you're fantastic,

1067
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: but no, I'm so grateful. Uh.

1068
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: You know my heart now, I you know we have

1069
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: you know, my heart is functioning and an absolute normal range. Uh.

1070
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: And now any lingering kinds of impact of the stroke minimal.

1071
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: With that that I use captioning uh for some kinds

1072
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: of interviews, but otherwise, you know, I'm coming up on

1073
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: three years ago where that uh, you know, almost ended

1074
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: my life. So I I you know, every day was

1075
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: gravy and I'm just great full for that.

1076
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm grateful to tell you, thank you, congrstrations on your

1077
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: new Thank you, my friend. I appreciate it. So there

1078
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Speaker 1: you go, forty five minutes with John Fetterman. I was

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Speaker 1: fascinated to see that he wouldn't shut the door on

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. Now, full confession, I had to drag

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Speaker 1: it out of him. Let's not pretend he was sitting

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Speaker 1: there going I'm ready to fly to New Hampshire to

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Speaker 1: file my papers. But he's not saying no, right, And

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Speaker 1: of course that's the smart thing to do. In my experiences,

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Speaker 1: I've yet to meet a US senator, especially one like

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Speaker 1: him who's been elected a mayor, been elected statewide as

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Speaker 1: lieutenant governor, been elected statewide again as senator. That hasn't

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Speaker 1: at least thought about what it would be like to

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Speaker 1: run for the top job. But I think the most

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Speaker 1: important thing I took away from this interview is sort

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Speaker 1: of how he views I think himself in the party.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: He is somebody who is seen as sort of a

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Speaker 1: almost a pure progressive. He was a hero of progressives

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Speaker 1: when he first won. A lot of them are upset

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Speaker 1: with him lately. But he's trying to plow or blaze

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Speaker 1: a trail or plow a field for I think what

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Speaker 1: he would describe as like a pragmatic progressive. As he said,

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Speaker 1: he's focused on those seven states, right, those seven states

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Speaker 1: decides who wins or loses, and you have to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to win those seven states. So is he

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Speaker 1: likely Canada for twenty twenty eight. I think it's too

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Speaker 1: soon to tell. But his focus, he's trying to give

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Speaker 1: a permission slip to others to say, hey, if you

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Speaker 1: want to ever enact progressive policy, you actually got to

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Speaker 1: win elections first. You get too far out of the

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Speaker 1: mainstream and you'll be at think tanks pleading with writing

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Speaker 1: white papers of great ideas, but you won't actually have power,

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Speaker 1: and you won't get a chance to enact anything. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting you don't see Fetterman on many of the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight lists. Now, one person you do see

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Speaker 1: on some of these twenty twenty eight lists as somebody

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Speaker 1: who just had a twenty five hour filibuster, and that's

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Speaker 1: Corey Booker. I think the significance I actually view the

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Speaker 1: Booker moment as the first real I would call it

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Speaker 1: the first real attempt at sort of establishing some twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight credentials. Here he was, He grabbed a leadership moment.

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Speaker 1: He grabbed a moment that nobody else had grabbed just yet. Right,

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Speaker 1: you see what Fetterman is doing. He's out there trying

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Speaker 1: to be a little counter, trying to push back at

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Speaker 1: the narrative that the Democrats were too woke. Here's Corey

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Speaker 1: Booker trying to fill the vacuum that a lot of

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Speaker 1: based Democrats are upset with right now at the where's

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Speaker 1: the fight? How come democrats aren't using whatever positions they

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Speaker 1: have to fight back? So I do think Fetterman not

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Speaker 1: shutting the door in twenty twenty eight is going to

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Speaker 1: raise some eyebrows around town and in democratic circles. But

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Speaker 1: I also think this Corey. You know, look, I was

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Speaker 1: on the fence of whether I thought Booker would make

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Speaker 1: another run or not. I think the juice that feels

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Speaker 1: after this, there's no doubt he's at least a guy

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Speaker 1: that's going to say he's considering run for president. Because

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Speaker 1: one of the things that many in Washington figure out

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Speaker 1: is if you make people think you're thinking about running

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Speaker 1: for president, you get more people to return your call,

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Speaker 1: you get more reporters to call you and want to interview,

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Speaker 1: you get more people like me who are interested in

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Speaker 1: what you have to say. But I do think I

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Speaker 1: would look at the Booker thing. By the way, the

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Speaker 1: timing Booker did his party a solid here. You had

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Speaker 1: these elections that we talked about at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: this podcast taking place essentially right when he was doing this.

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Speaker 1: So if you're an activist Democrat you're frustrated and you

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Speaker 1: were out there in Florida one, Florida six, or Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: and you've been wondering all day about what's going on.

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Speaker 1: You check your social media feed and there's Corey Booker

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Speaker 1: doing what he was doing, sort of dominating the Washington

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Speaker 1: media for a twenty four hour period. I think it

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Speaker 1: had a It didn't have zero impact on Democratic based turnout,

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Speaker 1: and here was somebody who was folks. So I do

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Speaker 1: think for Corey Booker, this was a pretty successful twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours to sort of re establishing himself as one

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Speaker 1: of the main potential leaders of the party at a

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Speaker 1: time when the party is desperately looking for someone to

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Speaker 1: lead them, because I think right now, neither Aqim Jeffries

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Speaker 1: or Chuck Schumer or seen as sort of the current

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Speaker 1: leader of the Democratic Party. This is a party that

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Speaker 1: is very much leaderless. Anyway, I didn't want to characterize

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Speaker 1: the Federman interview before you had a chance to listen

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Speaker 1: to it, but I am characterizing it now, So there

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Speaker 1: you go. That does it for my first relaunched episode

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Speaker 1: of the Chuck Podcast. This is very exciting being an

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Speaker 1: independent media. I appreciate you tuning in. Don't forget to

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Speaker 1: like and subscribe wherever you either listen or watch this

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Speaker 1: podcast and I'll see in twenty four hours. Our plan

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Speaker 1: is to upload new episodes Wednesdays, Thursdays and Monday, So

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Speaker 1: with that until we upload again,