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Speaker 1: To what would you talk about on your on your podcast?

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Speaker 1: Fine fifteen show. It is the fifteen minute morning show podcast.

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Speaker 2: We got a house full, We've got Danielle, We've got Scary,

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Speaker 2: We've got Scottie over in the serial Killers podcast booth straight.

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Speaker 2: Nate is here, and there's Garrett and Gandhi and Today's

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Speaker 2: Show and Tell Day. Yes, so we said Gandhi bring

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Speaker 2: us an object. So she brought a human being.

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Speaker 3: I r a huge thing that I like very much.

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Speaker 2: And we met Kyle backstage at a jingle ball I.

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Speaker 3: Do believe not yep, last year in Miami.

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Speaker 1: All right, introduce, Introduce your your show, intel object.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is Kyle Creek aka the Captain on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: He has over half a million followers. He is a writer.

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Speaker 3: He's written history books for adults and then little kids

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Speaker 3: books children's books. Is that what we call them? Children's books?

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Speaker 3: He calls himself an instigator. I love following him. He's

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Speaker 3: full of really interesting nuggets and facts about history and

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Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff. So I thought I would bring

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Speaker 3: him in today. So it's Kyle.

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Speaker 4: I think though Nate's the most excited because he has

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Speaker 4: such a crush on him.

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Speaker 3: Already.

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Speaker 5: Man, I knew he was going to have.

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Speaker 6: I thought he was just you know, blowing smoke in

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Speaker 6: my ass after and.

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Speaker 1: That's what he wants to do.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, he's a huge fan of history.

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Speaker 1: He's written a book, which I also want to write

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Speaker 1: a book.

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Speaker 5: But look at the guys mustache and facial hair.

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Speaker 6: What's funny? As I actually cut this down last night,

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Speaker 6: I have I have. As soon as it starts drinking

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Speaker 6: more of my coffee than I can, I have to

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Speaker 6: cut it. And last night I was in the hotel

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Speaker 6: lobby having coffee, I was like, I gotta cut this

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Speaker 6: thing again.

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Speaker 2: It's too long, it's absorbent. Why do you call yourself

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Speaker 2: the instigator? Let's get into that.

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Speaker 6: Well, I call myself the captain. But it came as

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Speaker 6: a joke with my friends in my twenties. I was

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Speaker 6: I was pretty rowdy, and they said going out with

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Speaker 6: me was like getting on a boat and waiting for

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Speaker 6: it to sink, because I was. I was. I prided

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Speaker 6: myself kind of being on the eighty six list at bars,

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Speaker 6: and I very much acted that way. And it was

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Speaker 6: a good nickname that stuck, and you could have a

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Speaker 6: worse nickname.

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Speaker 2: Well, so Gandhi's officially the captain of our show. Then

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Speaker 2: she's the Kyle Creek of our show. Yeah, she's the instigator.

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Speaker 1: She's the one. Yeah, like she farts on the elevator

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Speaker 1: and gets off and leaves U there. Yeah, one of those.

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Speaker 6: I think I have a little bit more tact than that.

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Speaker 6: But we'll find out.

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Speaker 3: They set me up for some nonsense. That was a metaphor.

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Speaker 3: I don't actually do that. So why do they call

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Speaker 3: you the captain? Who calls you the captain?

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Speaker 6: I'll just explain that.

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Speaker 3: Oh I thought it was Okay, I'm fine, someone else

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Speaker 3: ask a question.

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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, look, you know what, there's let's talk about history.

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Speaker 2: We go to school, we're forced to go to history classes,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes we have history teachers that are just shitty

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Speaker 2: and they're just boring whatever. But when you can find,

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Speaker 2: no matter where you are in life, someone like you

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Speaker 2: that can find the most interesting storytelling through history, it

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Speaker 2: becomes fascinating and that we're so glad to have you here.

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Speaker 2: Talk about your love for history and what brought you

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Speaker 2: here today.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I was just talking about this outside. I mean

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Speaker 6: I grew up in Utah, so a lot of the

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Speaker 6: history I learned was Mormon history, pioneers coming to Utah

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Speaker 6: started kind of researching it myself, and you know, like

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Speaker 6: you said, these interesting nuggets, and I was just kind

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Speaker 6: of upset that I didn't learn that at a younger age,

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Speaker 6: because I found a lot of it very applicable to

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Speaker 6: my life. And that's what I do with that book.

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Speaker 6: Fucking History is I mean, whether you're a king or

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Speaker 6: And you know, we have insecurities, and that's what I

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Speaker 6: I tried to find a way to, you know, take

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Speaker 6: away because the story's memorable, but also it still applies

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, Fucking History.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad I'm on the podcast because I was just

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Speaker 6: saying I've done some TV interviews and I can't even

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Speaker 1: They called history?

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Speaker 2: So GANDHI talk about how excited you were to have

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Speaker 2: him in here today. I mean, this is right up

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Speaker 2: your alley. And of course Nate as well, he's a

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Speaker 1: We love it.

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Speaker 3: I think it maybe even a little more up Nate

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Speaker 3: Sally than it was up mine. I'd like to follow

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Speaker 3: him on Instagram. I think he has really interesting nuggets

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Speaker 3: and great things to say that are very short and

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Speaker 3: sweet and digestible. He came in here, he and Nate

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Speaker 3: oh wow, when you really are a big dork.

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Speaker 5: Kyle has figured out the secret. There's a secret to

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Speaker 5: enjoying history, and that's finding something interesting about it that

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Speaker 5: you find interesting because of your interests, right, And I've

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Speaker 5: we've talked about this before where people don't like learning

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Speaker 5: about history because it's so boring when you're learning about something.

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Speaker 5: But when you find out that people used to literally

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Speaker 5: drink out of the skulls of their enemies, you're.

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Speaker 1: Like, holy shit, Like I want to learn more about this. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean a lot of people you just hear the

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Speaker 6: of my favorite stories from that book is there was

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Speaker 6: rather than just kind of give up, he went and

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Speaker 6: a fuck you back to the people.

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Speaker 1: Good for him, It's true.

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Speaker 6: I like that kind of stuff because it's like, you know,

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Speaker 6: can reinvent yourself. You can become a pirate.

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Speaker 1: On your own eye.

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Speaker 6: I like learning about his from that perspective and telling

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Speaker 7: Is there some stuff in history that we all know,

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Speaker 7: but have a different have more to it that you know,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So like like like there's got to be like

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Speaker 6: The top of my head. I can't really think of them,

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Speaker 6: just gets I mean, it's like that telephone game. As

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Speaker 6: That's one of the things I wanted to do with

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Speaker 6: When it was very violent, it's violent, and when it's

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Speaker 6: very bad, it's bad, but you can still look at

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, our friend Patty, our friend Patty has that

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Speaker 2: that podcast called The Backstory, and she does the same thing.

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Speaker 2: She tells the story about the couple that went with

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Speaker 1: It was the couple that was with and what they

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Speaker 1: You know stuff like that. You're like, wait, wait, we

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Speaker 1: never there's a couple there was, like there were double dating.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mary Todd was there. We didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: But he hearing the rest of the story, it really

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like that story in particular Mary Todd Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: She was messed up. She was such a bitch, there was, ulyssesys.

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Speaker 6: What I was talking about, like, it doesn't matter who

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Speaker 7: I want to I want to hear more about the

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Speaker 7: president that died in the bathtub. There's got to be

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Speaker 1: About the story. He couldn't he couldn't fit the bathtub story.

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Speaker 1: He got stuck in got stuck in the bathtubs. Daft,

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Speaker 3: He didn't die that way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he didn't die in a bathtub.

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Speaker 4: Well, Kyle, when you go to parties and events, you

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Speaker 4: have like that ultimate party trick, So like when things

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Speaker 4: So did you know.

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Speaker 6: My party trick used to be snorting shots tequila? Was yeah,

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Speaker 6: my party. My party trick used to be like, that's

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Speaker 6: not the party trick, that's not in my books. Where

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Speaker 6: else it takes? I was like, oh, what up you?

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Speaker 6: That was started hang out with you. I was at

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Speaker 6: a bachelor party. It was in parts of the Utah.

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Speaker 6: I was at a bachelor party and I don't know why,

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Speaker 6: line of hobb Andrew uh soul. Oh god. And that

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Speaker 6: was the one time I did something. I remember thinking like, God,

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Speaker 6: I fucked up. That was dumb. But that's I mean,

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Speaker 6: that's how it was in my early twenties, and you know,

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Speaker 6: and it comes from a place of insecurity. It's like

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Speaker 6: when you're twenty three, twenty four and you're trying to

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Speaker 6: find out who you are in life. It's easy to

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Speaker 6: do that kind of shit and get attention. And that's

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Speaker 6: what I did, you know, And it was fun at

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Speaker 6: the time. But I think you're fun now.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 6: I'm boring now. I live on a farm and my

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Speaker 6: girl was just telling it. My girlfriend texted me last night,

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Speaker 6: all exciting because we got our first ache from our chickens.

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Speaker 6: All right, I hear the farm life.

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Speaker 6: I got two big great danes, a bunch of birds

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Speaker 2: So out of all of the history that you've talked

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Speaker 6: What is true, It is true best revenge. The best

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Speaker 6: It just makes society operate a little different.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was one of those favorite we're talking About's

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Speaker 5: Shine his shoes just for a second here, Oh.

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Speaker 1: You've been doing that?

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Speaker 4: Literally it was the last fifteen minutes. You know what

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Speaker 4: this book represents. This represents perseverance. Because I'm doing a

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Speaker 4: little Google on Kyle right now. He wanted to you

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Speaker 6: Didn't you find all this?

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Speaker 1: I did Google?

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that he tried to get into like copyright.

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Speaker 5: He went to Hollywood to become a screenwriter, didn't work out.

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Speaker 6: I was like the time of the Captain early twenties.

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Speaker 6: Once once football stopped for me, I became very added

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Speaker 6: And it was until I finally met a Crave director

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Speaker 6: I used to I always used to do like a

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Speaker 6: What I did for many years it was how short?

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Speaker 6: How short can my short? I had a great icebreaker

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Speaker 6: And everybody, everybody knows how to draw a really crude penis,

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Speaker 6: And we just see how many I collected me and

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Speaker 1: Also, he seems like a funny guy to hang out

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Speaker 6: A sharpiet I would have. I have to get like

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Speaker 1: Do you to draw dick on my leg?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Who says no to that?

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 6: In the world and a big guy comes up to

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Speaker 2: So and then everyone tries.

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Speaker 6: To like, oh, I'm gonna draw the biggest one. I'm

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Speaker 6: Everyone tries to do their own little interpretation of a taste.

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Speaker 6: There stands out the most, and it's it's a fun

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Speaker 6: just kind of start bar hopping. Everyone's like, I want

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Speaker 1: Hanging out with old dick leg.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well look the book, of course, Kyle Creek is here

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Speaker 2: that the book is called fucking History the Captain.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Going, well, I don't have a podcast.

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Speaker 1: But podcast. We gotta have a podcast, man.

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Speaker 6: That's what That's what I'm told.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is my goal. I want him to do

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Speaker 5: Maybe this is when you said you want to share

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Speaker 5: on You're just willing these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I knew we had we had an agenda here,

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Speaker 2: So I've made it sound like, how's the podcast you

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