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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks

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Speaker 2: off right this moment. Thanks for being with us from

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Speaker 2: in there. Clay I had a forty minute sit down

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Speaker 2: with doctor j Batacharia. It was just, oh man, it

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Speaker 2: was so good. It was like a therapy session to

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Speaker 2: the Great Barentine Declaration. Just talking about how from a

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Speaker 2: Stanford medical school, you know, world class medical researcher, how

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Speaker 2: everything they said was wrong and it was and they

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Speaker 2: knew it at different times. Dude. That was the part

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Speaker 2: that I found. They knew they were lying to people

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Speaker 2: about masks, about vaccine stopping spread anyway. So but that's

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Speaker 2: in the Clay and Buck feed. I'm just saying everyone's

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Speaker 2: in there too, so please subscribe the iHeart app or

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts now. We also had Senator

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Speaker 2: Tim Scott on. I'm sorry, all the weeks kind of

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Speaker 2: crashed together in my mind. I think it was last

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Speaker 2: week we had the Senator on? Is that right? Last Monday,

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Speaker 2: Senator Scott was on the show That's What Matters, and

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Speaker 2: we asked him about this because Joy Pahar, of all

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Speaker 2: the people on the view, said, you know what, he'd

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Speaker 2: basically called into question whether Senator Scott knows really what

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Speaker 2: it's like for black men in America, which was quite

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Speaker 2: a thing to say. I think everyone picked up on it.

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Speaker 2: Let's can we just go back team and remind everybody

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Speaker 2: of his response on this show to what Joy Behar said,

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Speaker 2: doubt the white.

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Speaker 3: Ladies dressing up in black face giving him black man

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Speaker 3: advice probably doesn't ring true in anyone's mind, certainly not

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Speaker 3: my own. But more importantly, I find it offensive and

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Speaker 3: disgusting and dangerous for a very different reason. I'm used

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Speaker 3: to having the less attacked me because of the truth

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Speaker 3: of my life. This proves their lives. It is literally

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Speaker 3: the dumbest, most offensive thing I've ever witnessed on TV

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Speaker 3: to hear these millionaire TV personalities telling me how to

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Speaker 3: live my life as a black man, but more importantly

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Speaker 3: suggesting to every child, stay in your place, follow my lead,

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Speaker 3: for you too will reap the same harvest of Tim

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Speaker 3: Scott or Clarence Thomas or any other conservative who dares

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Speaker 2: So that was last Tuesday. We were off because We're

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Speaker 2: Moral day. It was last Tuesday. He was on the

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Speaker 2: show play. I thought that was strong, but this and

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Speaker 2: we're so we're glad that he got to say it

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Speaker 2: here on this platform to all of you across the country.

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Speaker 2: The View, I don't know, maybe the View got called

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Speaker 2: out so much by their own audience on this one,

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Speaker 2: or something happened, or they just realized it was it

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Speaker 2: was an opportunity for ratings. The View invited senators, why

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Speaker 2: don't they invite Clay and buck on. That would be

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Speaker 2: a show, that would be a It'd be a show

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Speaker 2: if Liz Chady came on here to talk to us.

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Speaker 2: It would be a show if they had us on

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Speaker 2: the view. I can tell you that. But here is

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Speaker 2: Senator Tim Scott. Here is Senator Tim Scott sitting down

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Speaker 2: on the view. We wanted you to hear this play,

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Speaker 2: and I agree. This is not a home run. This

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Speaker 4: One of the things that I think about, and one

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Speaker 4: of the reasons why I'm on the show, is because

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Speaker 4: of the comments that were made frankly on the show

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Speaker 4: that the only way for a young African American kid

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Speaker 4: exception and not the role. That is a dangerous, offensive discussion.

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Speaker 4: Seeing message to send to our young people today that

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Speaker 4: the only way to succeed is by being the exception.

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Speaker 4: I will tell you that if my life is the exception,

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Speaker 2: I can't. But it's not.

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Speaker 1: Actually here's here's fourteen years.

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Speaker 4: Yes. So the fact of the matter is we've had

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Speaker 2: Of the State, and he keeps going. It's phenomenal. We

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Speaker 5: I'm sure it'll be up on clayanbuck dot com if

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Speaker 5: because the message that Tim Scott is sharing is that

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Speaker 5: the progress the country has made is massive as it

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Speaker 5: And one of the craziest things that has happened, and

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Speaker 5: twenty twelve, race relations have collapsed in the last decade

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Speaker 5: or so. A lot of different theories about why that

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Speaker 5: might be. I'm sure many of you out there listening

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Speaker 5: have theories. God is Buck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I was gonna say, I don't think race

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Speaker 2: relations have collapsed. I think the media pretends that race

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Speaker 5: And in fact, if you look at the data, the

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Speaker 5: media has so negatively I think impacted our perceptions of

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Speaker 5: race relations that many people do believe. Now, for instance,

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Speaker 5: I believe it's a Gallup poll that came out we

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Speaker 5: something like seventy some odd percent of people thought race

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Speaker 5: relations in the country were generally good, and about twenty

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Speaker 5: some odd percent said race relations were bad. This is

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Speaker 5: around two thousand, This is twenty three years ago. Now

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Speaker 5: over half of Americans believe race relations in this country

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Speaker 5: for what happened was you go back and look at

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Speaker 5: two thousand and eight Obama. It is America is such

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Speaker 2: That was the message of two thousand and eight Obama. Okay.

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Speaker 5: By twoenty twelve, there was more of a racial pitch

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Speaker 5: to Obama's campaigning. By twenty sixteen, Democrats were all in

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Speaker 5: Obama's election was the only reason Obama won was because

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Speaker 5: he was black, and therefore we must have identity politics.

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Speaker 5: Whether it's Hillary going out there and saying I'm with her, right,

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Speaker 5: back in chains. Kamala Harris's entire choice was based on

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Speaker 2: They even made it explicit.

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Speaker 5: Buck Biden promised to put a black woman on the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court, something we've never seen before, based entirely on

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Speaker 2: I would say that, first of all, it's just, you know,

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Speaker 2: it inspires you it. There's sort of a calm that

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Speaker 2: Scott said there on the view about the tremendous progress

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Speaker 2: that the left effectively denies for Black Americans and on

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Speaker 2: all Americans toward a meritocracy. In fact, what we have

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Speaker 2: now is the left openly going against meritocracy.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: The left actually wants there to be a spoil system

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Speaker 2: based on race, gender, but it's a spoil system against

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Speaker 2: particularly white males. That's actually the system that the Demo

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Speaker 2: And that is the reality of America today. But put

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Speaker 2: that aside for a moment. He's saying something that is true.

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Speaker 2: Do I think that this is going through? This goes

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Speaker 2: back to our earlier discussion are we going to see

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Speaker 2: a major change in the black vote in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Let's just assume for a second, even Tim Scott was

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Speaker 2: that it's not going to happen at all. That said,

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Speaker 2: there may be people of all you know, of different races,

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Speaker 2: black voters, white voters, who just from hearing from a

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Speaker 2: man like Tim Scott about the truth of America today,

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Speaker 2: the Democrat moral blackmailing, They engage in the sort of

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Speaker 2: moral demagoguery of if you don't vote Democrat, you're a racist.

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Speaker 2: That may be less effective. Yeah, So that's the only

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Speaker 2: way that I could see it from an electoral perspective,

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Speaker 2: because the more people see this, the more they realize

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Speaker 2: saying when they're claiming that this country is fundamentally racist?

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Speaker 2: And they've expanded the definition of white supremacy to include

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Speaker 2: anything in society that is unequal. What are they talking about? Basically,

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Speaker 2: if their identity politics pitch is even a little bit

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Speaker 2: less effective, that could have that could have some effect.

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Speaker 2: I don't see, though, a substantial change in I shouldn

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Speaker 2: even say I don't see. There's no basis historically for it.

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Speaker 2: But it might change this time around, the black vote

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Speaker 2: I think it's an intriguing debate. Buck.

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Speaker 5: So, first of all, Tim Scott, a lot of what

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Speaker 5: he says is similar to what Obama said in two

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Speaker 2: But here's the here's sort of.

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Speaker 5: The existential issue at play. And I don't claim to

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Speaker 5: know the answer, but everybody out there can think about this.

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Speaker 5: How do you destroy identity politics?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: Identity politics is a toxic cancer, in my opinion, in

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Speaker 2: So I actually think that it's a function in part Clay,

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Speaker 2: I think it has to do with laws. I think

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Speaker 2: you have to have I think the Supreme Court decision

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Speaker 2: that's coming in a matter of weeks here, which we

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Speaker 2: haven't really talked about, will be a substantial step in

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Speaker 2: the right direction, because what we have now is a

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Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was Alido or Roberts. One

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Speaker 2: of them said, the racial spoil system that affirmative action

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Speaker 2: but also in hiring for corporations across America, in government

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Speaker 2: grants that are minority specific. You have to eliminate these

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Speaker 2: things as a matter of law or else. Everything else

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Speaker 2: we talk about just feels like rhetoric because the system

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Speaker 2: is in place to perpetuate the identity politics system that

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Speaker 2: only benefits Democrats because it is antithetical to republic and

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Speaker 2: conservative philosophy, which is, we treat every individual as an

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Speaker 2: individual created in God's image, with the same rights, dignity,

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Speaker 2: The law cannot treat them differently. They don't view it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think implicit in the Senator Tim Scott

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Speaker 5: exploding it.

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Speaker 2: This would be their argument on some level. I don't

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Speaker 2: But the most historically, the most consistent voting pattern you

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Speaker 5: He would not lose buck, he would withdraw and blame health.

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Speaker 1: Keeping it real, keeping it honest. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton,

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Speaker 5: About getting Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, you know there's a recent article in the

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Speaker 2: So I think it's stuff. Thank you so much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Jim in Minnesota. Jim, what do you have for us?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? At one point Donald Trump said to the black community,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks for calling on, Jim. We'll get to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's why we should, unfortunately have to keep

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Speaker 5: documents and won in court. Crooked Hillary deleted thirty three

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Speaker 5: thousand emails, many classified, and wasn't even close to being charged.

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Speaker 5: Only Trump the greatest witch hunt of all time. I

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Speaker 5: think Trump's one hundred percent right about all that. And look,

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Speaker 5: it wouldn't shock me, Buck if Trump got indicted this

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Speaker 5: month or next month. In fact, I expect it to happen,

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Speaker 5: and I said this when it happened. Mike Pence is

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Speaker 5: now announcing for President Mike Pence. Having classified documents allows

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Speaker 5: this Democrat Department of Justice to argue this isn't political. Look,

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Speaker 5: we didn't charge Mike Pence. He handled classified documents the

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Speaker 5: right way. And now that is the cover that is

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Speaker 5: going to help allow them to charge Trump with obstruction

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Speaker 5: Relating to these classified docum its.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't even think eily're at a

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Speaker 2: point where they feel the need they need cover. I

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Speaker 2: think they just don't care. I think they don't care

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Speaker 2: it's helpful. I'm not saying it's not.

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Speaker 5: Helpful, but that will be the New York Times editorial

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Speaker 5: and the Washington Post will say this is what justice demands.

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Speaker 5: We'll get the good Republicans like Mike Pence. This is

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Speaker 5: that's what that's part of the fig leaf that they'll

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Speaker 5: use to.

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Speaker 2: Give everyone a sense of how scorched earth they're going.

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Speaker 2: And I also just want to make it very clear

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Speaker 2: when we talk about the possibility of a Trump indictment,

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Speaker 2: I think this is unjust. It is an abuse of

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Speaker 2: the law, and it is horrific for the country. Not

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Speaker 2: even just horrific for the twenty twenty four election. I

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Speaker 2: think this is awful for America and we'll have ramifications

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Speaker 2: for a long time. So we're just preparing for what

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Speaker 2: the lunatics are getting ready to do. Trump's lawyer's notes.

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Speaker 2: This was New York Times of the Weekend. Could be

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Speaker 2: a key in the Classified Documents inquiry. How many times Clay,

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Speaker 2: you're a lawyer, like a real actual past the bar registered,

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Speaker 2: not registered in the US Virgin Islands anymore, but Phil Tennessee, right,

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Speaker 2: so you're registered in both. I'm a attorney in two

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Speaker 2: different jurisdictions.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So you know if you're in a moped accident you

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Speaker 2: could in the US Islands, they could help you out.

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Speaker 2: But this this notion, it's multiple times this has happened

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Speaker 2: now where Trump's attorney has been turned against him or

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Speaker 2: Trump's attorney's work product. And Clay can speak to this

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Speaker 2: with with more specificities than I can. But attorney client privilege,

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Speaker 2: if that is gone, there is no such thing as

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Speaker 2: having a real robust legal defense if your lawyer's notes

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Speaker 2: can be seized. Because it's so important this time, you

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Speaker 2: don't have lawyers. You don't have I mean, they think

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Speaker 2: about this, how how much would you tell your psychiatrist

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Speaker 2: if everything that your psychiatrist was writing down could end

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Speaker 2: up in a court of law. There's a reason we

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Speaker 2: have protections. There's a reason these things exist. This is

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Speaker 2: the second time I remember that Michael Cohen, they had

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Speaker 2: the same thing. And I think, also there's something with

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Speaker 2: the New York and I have to look into it.

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Speaker 2: But with the New York and yeah, the documents, right,

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Speaker 2: some of those are protected documents as well.

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Speaker 5: They're so aggressive buck that they're threatening the attorneys who

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Speaker 5: have represented Trump with being charged with crimes related to

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Speaker 5: that representation. And this is for people out there who

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Speaker 5: are familiar with attorney client privilege. The general rule is

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Speaker 5: what you tell your attorney is privileged and cannot be uncovered.

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Speaker 5: And let me just give you an easy example. If

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Speaker 5: you were driving drunk and you went to your attorney

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Speaker 5: and you said, hey, I had twenty beers I refused

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Speaker 5: to take the breath elizer because I was super drunk,

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Speaker 5: that wouldn't be something that would be able to be uncovered.

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Speaker 5: Your conversation essentially admitted to admitting to a crime would

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Speaker 5: not be uncoverable. There is, however, a crime fraud exemption

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Speaker 5: such that if your attorney is potentially going to be.

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Speaker 2: Charged with a crime in that representation.

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Speaker 5: Let me give you an example in that case, Buck,

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Speaker 5: Let's say that you got pulled over for a DUI

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Speaker 5: and your client said, Hey, they've impounded my car and

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Speaker 5: there are twenty cans in the trunk of the car.

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Speaker 5: Can you get the key, here's the key to my car.

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Speaker 5: Can you sneak in and get rid of those beer

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Speaker 5: cans as evidence? That would not be attorney client privileged

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Speaker 5: because your attorney would then have been engaged in the

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Speaker 5: crime or the fraud.

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Speaker 2: Right. This comes away to explain with mob attorneys Corstolliari

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Speaker 2: for those of you who remember the guy when you're

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Speaker 2: when you're helping to cover up known crimes and continuing

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Speaker 2: criminal enterprise, you can't rely on attorney plight.

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Speaker 5: So what they're saying, Buck, is they're saying to these

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Speaker 5: attorneys not they're putting the squeeze on not only Trump

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Speaker 5: but everyone who is representative and saying, we're charging you too.

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Speaker 2: And again, if the attorneys, we're going to hide the

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Speaker 2: murder weapon somewhere, you know, in the swamp or whatever,

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Speaker 2: I'd say, you know, there are limits to attorney client privilege.

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Speaker 2: This is about document obstruction, Like how much how much

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Speaker 2: more absurd can this get before the people behind it

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Speaker 2: are finally exposed not only to the anger of those

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Speaker 2: who are Trump voters and supporters like us, but to

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Speaker 2: a solid majority of the country. I just don't see

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Speaker 2: how this can continue.

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Speaker 5: But and when we come back, the problem also with

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Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Let me

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Speaker 5: point this out too, Buck, as we talk about the

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Speaker 5: ongoing investigations surrounding the Independent Independent Counsel and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: There is an independent Council also investigating Joe Biden. There

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Speaker 5: should be an independent council investigating Hunter Biden. But that's

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Speaker 5: an entirely different story.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 5: Have there been any leaks from inside of the Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden Independent Council investigation?

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Speaker 2: No, all they did is I was just gonna say

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Speaker 2: your thing about the fig leaf, the whole Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: that is fig leaf. That so they can create this. Oh,

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Speaker 2: but we were looking at Joe Biden too. They shut

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Speaker 2: that thing down the day they started it. That was

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Speaker 2: just for optics.

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Speaker 5: I will just point out every let's presume that it's true. Okay,

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Speaker 5: obviously it's the Washington Post, New York Times. They've been

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Speaker 5: wrong on a lot. But let's presume these leaks are true.

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Speaker 5: Surrounding the Trump investigation. All of that is a violation

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Speaker 5: of federal law. You aren't allowed to leak to the

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Speaker 5: media the step by step results of your investigation. If

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Speaker 5: we really had a Department of Justice, we would say,

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Speaker 5: wait a minute, all of these leaks are designed to

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Speaker 5: make Trump look bad. And none of them. Again, if

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Speaker 5: we just had a Department of Justice, Buck, that was

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Speaker 5: unreliable and they leaked about everything, we know a lot

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Speaker 5: about the Biden investigation too.

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Speaker 2: Zero, I mean, we should definitely see if we can

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Speaker 2: check in with the government employee serving a long prison

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Speaker 2: sentence for a leaking top secret intercepts of a conversation

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Speaker 2: with General Flynn to the Washington you know, to the

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Speaker 2: Russian ambassador to the Washington Post. We should go visit

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Speaker 2: the guy. Oh wait, they never found that leaker, even

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Speaker 2: though that is a bright red line violation of classified

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Speaker 2: information statutes and a huge, a huge ethical breach as

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Speaker 2: somebody with access to classified So weird they couldn't find

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Speaker 2: that guy. How many people really had access to that conversation?

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Speaker 2: Not that many.

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Speaker 5: How about the Supreme Court, buck, I mean that leak

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Speaker 5: legitimately caused an assassination attempt.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to leave totally. They don't want to

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Speaker 2: no idea. Even the Republican or I should say, the

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Speaker 2: Republican appointed members of the Supreme Court, they don't want.

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Speaker 2: I think Justice Thomas won to know. I think he

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Speaker 2: wants to know. I don't think any of the rest

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Speaker 2: of them want to know because of what it would

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Speaker 2: do to that institution. That's what I think.

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Speaker 5: If I'm breaking Kavanaugh, I want to know because they

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Speaker 5: tried to come kill me because of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe he would want to know too.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say something real quick because this is

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Speaker 2: Yes, congratulations Ali. It's You're the absolute best and Rush

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Speaker 2: knew it and we know it, and we can't say

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Speaker 2: enough about how much we appreciate you and everything you

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Speaker 2: do for the show. Speaking of people who appreciate themselves

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Speaker 2: or there or things. Jesse Kelly Jesse Kelly are good

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Speaker 2: friends who is not lacking in confidence. He is the

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Speaker 2: author of the anti Communist Manifesto. Because Jesse's such a

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Speaker 2: good buddy, we're gonna have him ride with us here

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Speaker 2: in the third hour play to talk about a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of things, including his manifesto, which I've got a

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Speaker 2: copy up here with me, but also I want to

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Speaker 2: get his take on some of these RFK. Is Biden

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Speaker 2: going to be the guy VIP email box blowing up?

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what it's blowing up with? I've

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Speaker 2: been looking through this. Apparently everyone's I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 2: come up with a bet, like I have to grow

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Speaker 2: a mustache, but the audience has to donate more to

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Speaker 2: tunnel the towers or something. Because because I still think

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Speaker 2: Biden's a nominee, a lot of our VIPs are saying, Buck,

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Speaker 2: you're missing it. Biden's not going to be the nominee.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Jesse about it. Great debate. Can't wait