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Speaker 2: Come on, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining
Speaker 2: us for another episode of Nightcap. You watch the Indiana
Speaker 2: Pacers do what they did the last series, go on
Speaker 2: the road and take a two oh lead going back
Speaker 2: to Indy. Yes they are, They're up two oh They're
Speaker 2: in a commanding position. You don't see this often, but
Speaker 2: they've done it in back to back series, a commanding
Speaker 2: two to oh lead one fourteen to one oh nine
Speaker 2: thanks to a red hot shooting night from Pascal Siakam
Speaker 2: who had thirty nine big points.
Speaker 3: They have six guys in.
Speaker 2: Double figures like they normally do as a committee team,
Speaker 2: and they win this ball game on the road, one
Speaker 2: fourteen to one oh nine.
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Speaker 2: this ball game. The Indiana Pacers go on the road. Now,
Speaker 2: remind you they did this to the number one seed.
Speaker 2: The team that won sixty four games in the regular season.
Speaker 2: They went on the road to Cleveland and they took
Speaker 2: a commanding two o lead on the road, and what
Speaker 2: if they do People might have thought that was a fluke.
Speaker 2: They go on the road again in the conference finals
Speaker 2: and take a two oh lead against a very good
Speaker 2: New York Knicks team, and they do it one fourteen
Speaker 2: to one oh nine, and again six guys in double figures.
Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam was sensational night fifteen of twenty three, shooting
Speaker 2: three or five from the three point line, thirty six
Speaker 2: big points. Neie Smith had twelve, Miles Turner had sixteen,
Speaker 2: nim Hard had twelve, Halliburton fourteen and eleven, and they
Speaker 2: got TJ. McConnell in only fourteen minutes. He gave them
Speaker 2: ten big points. That's six guys in double figures, ugging in.
Speaker 2: And that's normally how they do it. Corn Bread. You've
Speaker 2: seen this team play against your Celtics over the years,
Speaker 2: and this is how they normally do it. They might
Speaker 2: have one guy, but normally it's a bunch of teams.
Speaker 2: Fourteen thirteen, sixteen, nineteen, and they did it again tonight.
Speaker 2: When you watch this game, corn bread, What was it?
Speaker 2: What is it that the Pacers are doing or is
Speaker 2: it something they're doing or that something the Knicks aren't doing.
Speaker 1: I think it's something that the Celtics are doing. I
Speaker 1: mean the Celtics. That's what I want to talk about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know something I think that the Pacers are doing.
Speaker 4: I think what the Pacers are doing really well. They're
Speaker 4: moving to basketball and then move bodies. The body the
Speaker 4: ball does not stick as much, and because of that,
Speaker 4: defensively cannot rotate and trap as much. That happens when
Speaker 4: the Knicks to playing other teams, the ball sticks and
Speaker 4: their defense becomes that much more fluid and they can
Speaker 4: do damage that way. So when you move that basketball
Speaker 4: and you move bodies, the Knicks don't move as well.
Speaker 3: He physically, that's of the team step.
Speaker 2: Watching this game, Ocholl, I was looking at it early
Speaker 2: and I saw like the Pacers got out to a
Speaker 2: good lead, and then the Knicks go on this run,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at this game at the half, I'm like, Nick,
Speaker 2: I think y'all in trouble.
Speaker 3: I think they are y'all in trouble.
Speaker 2: I say, because they've walked you down from fourteen with
Speaker 2: under three minutes and now you got a Nipton Tuck
Speaker 2: ball game. And the thing that the Pacers do, they're
Speaker 2: gonna play with They're going to play with pace. They're
Speaker 2: going to push the ball. Whether you make the shot,
Speaker 2: Brad or you missed the shot, they are all pushing Halla
Speaker 2: Burnon looking to get that ball ahead to see Yakam
Speaker 2: de nise Mith, Myles Turners. Because they run the floor
Speaker 2: and like you said, they do a great job of movie.
Speaker 2: And they don't have a guy that you say, oh,
Speaker 2: I got to get.
Speaker 3: Him the ball.
Speaker 2: They don't have a dominant guy a Luca or or
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum or one of these great shade that got
Speaker 2: to have the ball.
Speaker 3: So you don't know.
Speaker 2: On a given night, it could be one of either
Speaker 2: six guys that can beat their leading scorer. And that's
Speaker 2: very difficult to defend. Jalen Brunston is averaging almost forty
Speaker 2: points a game, eight assists the game, and he's shooting
Speaker 2: fifty four percent. Yet they find themselves down oh two,
Speaker 2: oh Joe. When you're looking at the Knicks and you
Speaker 2: I think you picked the Knicks to win, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: what is it that you're seeing what's been most disappointing
Speaker 2: from you.
Speaker 1: For you, I mean well for the Knicks obviously, I
Speaker 1: need I need more people to contribute, you know. At
Speaker 1: the half, I mean with Jayalen Brunson doing what he
Speaker 1: needs to do, mckil Bridges was okay, and nobody came
Speaker 1: along and in the second half. But the Pacers are
Speaker 1: winning collectively as a group. Uh, everybody's being able to contribute.
Speaker 1: I think it's too much press on Jayden Bronson to
Speaker 1: keep them in the game regards the Pacers can pass
Speaker 1: the ball and no, they keep the ball moving offensively
Speaker 1: them in training, the Pacers in transition running up and
Speaker 1: down the floor. I think everyone else has to contribute
Speaker 1: as well. Cat, I mean where the cat have night?
Speaker 3: Cat had twenty points on six to fourteen, shooting fourteen shots.
Speaker 3: Isn't enough, not not not even close. Bridges had eighteen shots. Listen,
Speaker 3: now be down, I'll be down two and the whole
Speaker 3: I'm talking about we. I'm just saying pacimply because I
Speaker 3: picked the next to win this series. They God damn
Speaker 3: Halliburton man. Listen. He was very official night.
Speaker 1: He only had fourteen points, but still his shot selection
Speaker 1: and when he chose to shoot, oh, it's.
Speaker 4: Just chah, Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, cheh stick of
Speaker 4: for ki. They're done.
Speaker 3: Now you're going already then stoll it that I already? Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: they're done. I mean, I don't I don't think that.
Speaker 4: You look at them the first game they lost, that's psychologically,
Speaker 4: it does a lot of damage.
Speaker 1: But then you come back and you play okay, and
Speaker 1: you lose the second gate.
Speaker 4: Where are the people that were rocking the something bust
Speaker 4: the other day when I was on it, when when
Speaker 4: we did that, they were trying to tipple over those
Speaker 4: same five people left out there like Church Mount. So
Speaker 4: I think that you look at the Knicks, this is
Speaker 4: a team that plays with emotion. What they've done they
Speaker 4: take them they've taken the emotion out. You said something
Speaker 4: about the pace that they run. Let me tell you
Speaker 4: what happened during nineteen eighty four. I swear to God
Speaker 4: it's how it happened. We played the Lakers in Game three.
Speaker 4: They beat us so bad, we scored I didn't even
Speaker 4: think Magic took.
Speaker 3: The ball out of bound. He was right behind them.
Speaker 3: They take it out a bound? What mean? But that's
Speaker 3: what great teams do.
Speaker 4: They don't allow you to get back in a position
Speaker 4: of resting, and that's what the Knicks want to do.
Speaker 3: They want to rest.
Speaker 4: But as long as you attack them and you make
Speaker 4: them play on the defensive end, and you make Carl
Speaker 4: Anthony times accountable, you make Bruston accountable on the defensive end.
Speaker 4: That is what Hurston Knickson. Who's going who you're looking
Speaker 4: at OVERDEVI? Who's going to score? After that?
Speaker 3: Right? Corporate?
Speaker 2: You said something very interesting, you say at the team
Speaker 2: that plays on the motion and they lost that first game.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was they lost the first
Speaker 2: game or how they lost the first game, because we
Speaker 2: hadn't seen a whole lot of teams lose games like
Speaker 2: that when they have such a lead with that few
Speaker 2: that with that amount of time on the clock. So
Speaker 2: it's like one four hundred and forty seven when somebody
Speaker 2: has a nine point lead with like fifty something seconds
Speaker 2: to go in the ball game. And they lost that
Speaker 2: ball game, and they come out and they really couldn't
Speaker 2: get any separation. They could never get build up a
Speaker 2: ten point lead or fourteen point lead like they did
Speaker 2: in Game one. So now everybody in that building they're
Speaker 2: waiting to e rup the loudest I saw them is
Speaker 2: when when Brunson hit that three and they get within
Speaker 2: three points with like thirty seconds to go in the
Speaker 2: ball game. Priord to that, they were like just saying,
Speaker 2: like hoping something could go their way so they could
Speaker 2: get into the ballgame. Wh Why are we so surprised
Speaker 2: by this?
Speaker 1: You're talking about what did they do when they played
Speaker 1: Cleveland the same game.
Speaker 3: They get back at the end of the game and
Speaker 3: they won.
Speaker 4: Rick carliss I played with Rick Carlile as a young player. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was always somebody who got at it and he
Speaker 4: was at a high pace and he made guys accountable.
Speaker 3: He does that with this team.
Speaker 1: The problem that the Knicks have is the fact that
Speaker 1: you look at that Pacer team, they have championship DNA?
Speaker 3: Has it? Si Ill come has it?
Speaker 4: Who over there on the Knicks has that championship DNA
Speaker 4: or you're going to fall to at the end of
Speaker 4: the day.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the huge problem for them.
Speaker 4: Their team right now that's played with great and most
Speaker 4: and they've been lucky that we're lucky to beat the
Speaker 4: Subjects twice in those first two games in Boston. But
Speaker 4: now Chickens have come home to the roots now.
Speaker 2: But Jalen Brunton in Game two thirty six points, eleven
Speaker 2: assists on five May threes.
Speaker 3: Only MJ.
Speaker 2: Lebron has more thirty five point Tennessee playoff games in
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference. Jaylen Brust, like I said in game
Speaker 2: one and two, he's averaging almost forty thirty nine and
Speaker 2: a half eight assists on fifty four percent shooting. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's over corn Brand. I think they
Speaker 2: in order for them to have a chance, they've got
Speaker 2: to win game three.
Speaker 3: The man is over. We've seen them go on the
Speaker 3: road and you've always talked about your bread.
Speaker 1: What she did when she went to check me, what
Speaker 1: did she do? She stuck a cork in it. If
Speaker 1: any blood came out, if any blood came out, up,
Speaker 1: it wasn't done right.
Speaker 3: What the Knicks are I ain't known.
Speaker 4: I thought that I really hated the Laker fans and
Speaker 4: the Laker fan base. They have nothing on the arrogance
Speaker 4: of the Knicks when they're when they want this jokers
Speaker 4: having And I said that the Steve may snipper, I said, oh,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, act like they've been there before.
Speaker 3: And I said, oh, Hold on a minute.
Speaker 4: They haven't lay three last time they won the championship.
Speaker 3: I was in nice school. It is my senior year.
Speaker 1: I bring to turn seventy years old, so I'm not
Speaker 1: sending anything bad about them.
Speaker 3: They played hard. I like what Brunston does.
Speaker 4: I like what they've done with their team, But I
Speaker 4: just think the Pacers right now are the better of
Speaker 4: the two teams, executing, especially at the end of the game,
Speaker 4: and when it really counts.
Speaker 3: They've done it twice. Yeah, I think the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, corn bread, and you're not giving the
Speaker 1: next any chance to come back in regards to how
Speaker 1: the Pacers play, despite how they look, the passing games,
Speaker 1: the Knicks, you know, for for that matter, you don't
Speaker 1: give them any chance to come back.
Speaker 3: And make this a series. Chad, let's go on, let's
Speaker 3: only to drink beer.
Speaker 4: But that's that's better case, okay, me and you. I
Speaker 4: just don't see them getting back, especially on the emotional end.
Speaker 3: This team plays.
Speaker 4: I like the way they play, Tips has them playing hard.
Speaker 4: But when you get to Indiana team playing the way
Speaker 4: they are right now, going home smelling blood, smelling blood,
Speaker 4: what we've seen this team do so far this year
Speaker 4: when they smel blood, they turned the Sharks niece Smmphi
Speaker 4: has been big knocking down shots. This isn't like you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not wishing them bad luck, but I
Speaker 4: just see again one team that executes a lot better
Speaker 4: at the end of those games, and they won two games,
Speaker 4: and we shouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing is it was concerning for me,
Speaker 2: and don't Joe you and I talked about this with
Speaker 2: Joda other night, is that you got what you got
Speaker 2: from Cat. You got thirty plus points from Cat, you
Speaker 2: got forty three points from Brunton, and you still lost.
Speaker 2: So if my big good hey corporate, you know this,
Speaker 2: now hold on, y'all.
Speaker 3: Two big guys just went off.
Speaker 2: If we still beat y'all, what's the likelihood of y'all
Speaker 2: doing this four, five, six times, six more times?
Speaker 3: The likelihood is not.
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunston averaging forty three, I don't see that happening,
Speaker 2: Cat averaging thirty six. I don't see that happening. And
Speaker 2: we saw what happened tonight. The difference is they're so
Speaker 2: dependent on Brunson. You see the pacers.
Speaker 3: You don't know who was gonna be their leading scorer
Speaker 3: night tonight.
Speaker 2: You can bet ninety eight percent of the time their
Speaker 2: leading score is gonna be Jaylen Brunson.
Speaker 3: Y'all know what do you have one of the top
Speaker 3: rated shows.
Speaker 1: The way you're analyzing this thing, you wouldn't think you
Speaker 1: were a damn Laker fan.
Speaker 3: You you really were, and you know, and you know
Speaker 3: I hate you because of that. When I ain't a
Speaker 3: Laker fan, I'm a Lebron fan. Well, I don't care
Speaker 3: if you were. You're still wearing that purple and gold,
Speaker 3: and I hate to see it.
Speaker 5: I mean that I used to be a Celtic fan,
Speaker 5: you know, growing up. Blood was my favorite player. Joined
Speaker 5: the crowd. Then come on back. Let me say, come
Speaker 5: on back home, come on back. No worry about that.
Speaker 5: And I love Lebron. I think he's done so much
Speaker 5: for this league.
Speaker 3: Man, And I'm kind.
Speaker 4: Of like you, I kind of wonder why people hating
Speaker 4: on him so much for what he's done, especially when
Speaker 4: it's off the court. You know all the things he's
Speaker 4: done on the but off the court, he's been brilliant.
Speaker 4: He hasn't been in any trouble. He's gotten kids that
Speaker 4: go he's a great role model. So again I don't
Speaker 4: understand that hatred or Lebron, although I did hate Magic
Speaker 4: like that and I still do.
Speaker 3: Say so, that's a whole nother story. And you look
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 2: The Knixtles Miles Bridge, you played forty five minutes, Og
Speaker 2: played thirty six. Jaylen Brunson played thirty nine, and that's
Speaker 2: a far cry for what they did the other night. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously the game win the overtime, so you had an
Speaker 2: extra five minutes. So you got forty eight minutes in
Speaker 2: regulation plus another five that's fifty three.
Speaker 3: But those guys played heavy minutes.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that more guys didn't play heavy minutes like
Speaker 2: Og wasn't in the forties, Cat wasn't in the forties.
Speaker 2: Josh Hart only played twenty nine minutes. I thought, Josh Hart,
Speaker 2: he's really Josh Hart does a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2: He rebounds, he plays defense, he scores, he assists the basketball.
Speaker 2: He had one assist, he had one steal, he had
Speaker 2: one block, and he had six rebounds at six points.
Speaker 4: If he does not put his fingerprint on this series
Speaker 4: and the two games, hey, honey, giving me a broom instead,
Speaker 4: I need to give your brother.
Speaker 3: Way, And I love Josh Hart.
Speaker 4: The thing I love about him he could have played
Speaker 4: during days because yes, he's tough minded, he goes in,
Speaker 4: he's scrappled and against the Celtics, he.
Speaker 1: Had an imprint on all those games, knocking down shots,
Speaker 1: didn't rebound. But in this game, the smash game, Churnhart
Speaker 1: wasn't even effective.
Speaker 3: And he is a heart and.
Speaker 4: Soul of what they do emotionally, and they don't get
Speaker 4: it from him.
Speaker 3: Who else did they gonna get it from?
Speaker 2: And you know he only had he has six points,
Speaker 2: but he got two of those in the last thirty
Speaker 2: seconds when he got that late layoup. So I was
Speaker 2: surprised that. I mean, because you got twenty from Bridge,
Speaker 2: It's okay. I can live with that. You got sixteen
Speaker 2: from Og only on eleven shots. You got twenty from
Speaker 2: Cat on fourteen shots. He needs to be somewhere around
Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty two shots. And his damn self, Jalen Brunson,
Speaker 2: you know he's a volume guy. Thirteen to twenty seven.
Speaker 2: He did what he was supposed to do, Jayleen us
Speaker 2: and did what he was supposed to do. Now, I think,
Speaker 2: and if Josh Hart gives you somewhere at fourteen like
Speaker 2: he normally does, like we know he can. But like
Speaker 2: you said, I agree with you, corn Bread, his in
Speaker 2: print six rebounds, that's not nearly enough. One assist, one steel,
Speaker 2: one block. That's not the Josh Hart. Josh Hart is
Speaker 2: somewhere around eight to twelve points a game, double digit rebounds,
Speaker 2: like seven to nine assists, if not a triple double.
Speaker 3: He's that it ain't personal.
Speaker 1: You add adda on that getting steals make him mixing
Speaker 1: it up in this In this last game, essentially he
Speaker 1: was never involved. And that's not the way he put
Speaker 1: because you know what he is. He's an energy guy.
Speaker 1: He's a high energy got And when you don't have
Speaker 1: the energy guy go over there giving you points or
Speaker 1: rebounds or something like that.
Speaker 4: It's now what you need to do. Oh chill, go
Speaker 4: over there on that bench. Go down that bench. There's
Speaker 4: about five or six other guys down there. Find me,
Speaker 4: find me two or three points? Can you find me
Speaker 4: any points out of there?
Speaker 3: Kids is on it. But here's the thing, corn and
Speaker 3: O Joe we talked about this the other night with Joe.
Speaker 3: They only gonna.
Speaker 2: Play seven guys, eight guys at the max, and you know,
Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson, he's he's only gonna get your put backs
Speaker 2: and he's gonna get your lob, so you're not running
Speaker 2: any offense for it, so you really can't really count him.
Speaker 3: Say, Mitchell, can you give us ten to twelve?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna run five alley hoops five lobs and
Speaker 2: you're gonna get five putbacks? I don't think so, but
Speaker 2: they look to file him to break the next momentum.
Speaker 2: I was surprised he played as many minutes as he did.
Speaker 2: Think about it, he played more minutes than Cat.
Speaker 4: You know, I've never seen a guy as Patrick Fry
Speaker 4: going to the line. I mean, you would think that
Speaker 4: that is that's his last meal.
Speaker 3: You're thinking that you don't walk that ball. He's about
Speaker 3: to get fouled.
Speaker 4: He can't. And it's smart. And this is what I
Speaker 4: love about the paces. That's how smart they played.
Speaker 3: Yeah they did. And then a key stretch there, Robinson
Speaker 3: was in the game and they came in and they
Speaker 3: filed him, and the momentum mark smart team.
Speaker 4: Yet smart teams do that, bo't you guys played football?
Speaker 3: You know what momentum is absolutely money if you either
Speaker 3: have it or you don't.
Speaker 1: If you don't have it all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: look at your ass out and this is that's why
Speaker 1: I think the Knicks right now are pretty much that well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised that Mitchell Robinson played as many minutes.
Speaker 2: He played the same amount of minutes as Josh Hart's.
Speaker 2: He played a one more minute more than Cat Miles
Speaker 2: McBride played twenty five minutes. And they only play eight guys.
Speaker 2: And you go look at it, you go look at
Speaker 2: the pacers. They played one, two, three, four, five, six.
Speaker 2: They played eleven guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean your feet, Yeah, that's that's such bodies,
Speaker 1: which is so funny.
Speaker 4: There are about six guys over there on that bench.
Speaker 4: They scored by as many points as I did tonight.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Would be here with me because because those guys were
Speaker 1: never involved in the game. Oh show you know how
Speaker 1: it is. Sometimes you have guys who are real players.
Speaker 1: Some guys you can have who are perpetrated. Some guys
Speaker 1: know when the big games happened, I've.
Speaker 3: Saw I'm seeing you up, Saul.
Speaker 1: She hadn't played before and in the big games, hey
Speaker 1: look you're stepping up.
Speaker 3: But then there's some guys in the big games they
Speaker 3: don't want to be They don't want that ball, but
Speaker 3: they don't want you found it. Yeah, so what do
Speaker 3: you what do you think? What do you think, Tims?
Speaker 1: Does I mean you there's only only five or sixty
Speaker 1: sixty seven players like I said, that actually played.
Speaker 3: Does he does he change up the lineup?
Speaker 1: Does he add allow people to play so you can
Speaker 1: get those two or three points that you might need
Speaker 1: that can help you down a stretch?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tims? Is it like that?
Speaker 4: Tims was in Boston with Paul Pierce in that group
Speaker 4: and they go with the rotation and he's solid. This
Speaker 4: is the people who got him there, this is what
Speaker 4: he's done, and these are the people he's gonna go with.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I'm looking over there that celted
Speaker 4: at the roster, and I'm looking at the next and
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think right now, I think, why are
Speaker 4: some of the those nick you know, old school Claire's
Speaker 4: finally on the floor, right, I mean, I look at some.
Speaker 3: Of them guys.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, why why is that doing right
Speaker 1: there on the floor. Maybe he should get grab one
Speaker 1: of those guys.
Speaker 3: My good buddy.
Speaker 2: Bernarkis he could care some parts. But now burnof burnt
Speaker 2: Off mees bad. Nah, no, hey, hey Corbraend. You know
Speaker 2: burnt Off. These were bad when he was twenty nine thirty,
Speaker 2: you know the shot down in sixty five.
Speaker 3: I saw him walking down the arena. I was like, damn, man,
Speaker 3: I go back.
Speaker 1: And I hated him as a player too, but I
Speaker 1: really felt bad when that's the thing thing seeing some
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 4: Things right now that have happened. But the knicks, they're
Speaker 4: gonna have to find a formula or gonna have to
Speaker 4: grab one of those guys at the end of the
Speaker 4: bench and try to gather spark. Tims is gonna have
Speaker 4: to change what he does because what he's doing right
Speaker 4: now with the two games you're closed.
Speaker 3: Did you guys know close comes in horseshoes and nuclear war.
Speaker 3: That's the only the only way of horse clothes comes in.
Speaker 4: And I just don't think that this team right now
Speaker 4: has enough at the end of the day going in.
Speaker 4: It's like when I saw you look at the stat
Speaker 4: sheet before we came on. You know, you were looking
Speaker 4: down like somebody had just on the statue.
Speaker 6: You know, I said, dude, But if you notice look
Speaker 6: at the teams that have deep benches, look at OKC.
Speaker 3: Look how many people. Look how many people Minnesota play?
Speaker 2: You see Oka see playing ten eleven people, Indiana playing
Speaker 2: ten eleven people.
Speaker 3: You burn them out. Because Tims played those guys.
Speaker 2: Heavy minutes in the regular season, So you can imagine
Speaker 2: now they went they Now they had a short series
Speaker 2: with Boston, but they had a very long theories or
Speaker 2: with Detroit, and they had to play heavy minutes. Even
Speaker 2: though it was a short series, they played heavy minutes.
Speaker 3: And so now they're.
Speaker 4: Coming physical, physical minutes. Yes, that's the thing you talk about.
Speaker 4: You add physicality anywhere with long minutes, man, that doubles
Speaker 4: the output of what you're talking about, being physical.
Speaker 2: And there's something called ex expectations. So you see the
Speaker 2: Knicks didn't have these expectations when they played Boston. Boston
Speaker 2: was the prohibitive favorite. Now, how does it feel you're
Speaker 2: no longer the hunter, you're the hunted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all as they say, when we playing all funny games,
Speaker 4: until the damn rabbit gets the damn gun. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: how it goes out. So I look at this team
Speaker 4: and the Knicks were they played well. Detroit had a
Speaker 4: chance to beat them, Boston did at Boston had a
Speaker 4: chance to beat them, but they played well enough that
Speaker 4: they won. Now, as you said, they are, they are
Speaker 4: the darlings of the city, right, the darlings of the city.
Speaker 4: So now the expectations you talk about is on some
Speaker 4: of these guys shoulder, and it looks like it might
Speaker 4: just be a little heavy match.
Speaker 2: First time going to of the NBA finals and since
Speaker 2: what twenty five and a quarter century or everybody's talking
Speaker 2: about that. Oh man, this might be our chance to
Speaker 2: get our first championship in fifty plus years. Everybody's looking
Speaker 2: at that, and so you're looking You're looking plass ended,
Speaker 2: oh like, and is looking at it like, hell, this
Speaker 2: is our first chance to go to the NBA Finals
Speaker 2: in twenty plus years.
Speaker 3: Two we ain't never won one. You're right. I love
Speaker 3: the look on John Stark's face today.
Speaker 4: I was like, here, it's just trippled over.
Speaker 3: And these were the same guys and your guy BERNARTI text.
Speaker 4: Me after the game that the Knicks won the first
Speaker 4: two text me say, keep your head up, big fella.
Speaker 3: It'll be.
Speaker 2: Rub it rubbing it in, you know, or makes you laugh,
Speaker 2: makes you cry something absolutely well. The all the NBA
Speaker 2: teams were just announced on the first team All NBA,
Speaker 2: Giannis Unto, Takumpo, Shake Gilles, Alexander, Nicola, Jokic, Donovan, Mitchell, Jason,
Speaker 2: Any surprises there.
Speaker 3: No, I think those guys.
Speaker 4: To me, uh Tatum was great, Shaye was the NB.
Speaker 4: And you can look at Jok's jokis right now maybe
Speaker 4: the best, maybe the best player that one of the
Speaker 4: best players we've seen at that position.
Speaker 3: And no offense. I love Karee, I love Kareem, I
Speaker 3: love well.
Speaker 4: But when you look at Jokic, his body at work,
Speaker 4: what he's saying, he said he's turned into a monster.
Speaker 2: I thought you was about to say, maybe he's the
Speaker 2: best player in the game. I can say you could
Speaker 2: drop that, mate, Oh yeah, he is the best player
Speaker 2: now he's working on work, when he's done. The question
Speaker 2: is where do we put it? Because you mentioned, you
Speaker 2: mentioned Shot, you mentioned Russell, you mentioned Will, you mentioned
Speaker 2: Kareem Okay, Elijah on Moses.
Speaker 3: Whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: I'm his name six guys who many believe are six
Speaker 2: of the best centers they ever played the game, David Robinson,
Speaker 2: whoever the case may be. When it's all said done,
Speaker 2: where are we going to put Nicola?
Speaker 4: This is why I will change it with yok He
Speaker 4: is the best player right now. But what he doesn't do,
Speaker 4: he doesn't control the defensive end. What made That's what
Speaker 4: made Elijah One to me and I played, the greatest
Speaker 4: player ever to play the game is a cheam Olaja one.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you why, because he did it on
Speaker 3: both ends.
Speaker 4: Controls his man defensively his man, but a king controlled
Speaker 4: the game on both ends of the floor like nobody
Speaker 4: else has ever done both ends. Not one in Russell
Speaker 4: controlled it on the defensive bent. Uh, you know, we'll
Speaker 4: control it on the offensive bed. You look all the
Speaker 4: other but you look at Elijah One. There is nobody
Speaker 4: like that. That young African that I played with, that
Speaker 4: was I thought he was killing lines.
Speaker 3: The way he played, he was. He was.
Speaker 2: He was special. He was he was because like you said,
Speaker 2: he could do it all. He hey to fade away,
Speaker 2: he had to drop step. He had the moves. Oh man,
Speaker 2: hey fake here, and next thing you know, he's dunking
Speaker 2: it over there.
Speaker 3: I mean, and the defensive man.
Speaker 1: But that's right, and then and deep this and that
Speaker 1: he is blocking shots. He's he was leading the league
Speaker 1: in Still he's one of the few guys in the
Speaker 1: NBA history that had a quadruple though.
Speaker 2: You remember the first one they had Tom Brandy, he
Speaker 2: had it and they ended up taking the rebound away
Speaker 2: from him, so he didn't get it.
Speaker 3: He came back the next night, two nights later and
Speaker 3: got another one. I'm gonna do it, you know what,
Speaker 3: take it from me. I'm gonna show you how to
Speaker 3: get it done again. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The second Team All NBA team Jaylen Bronson, Steph Curry,
Speaker 2: and Edwards Lebron, James Evan Mobley. You remember trug Brady.
Speaker 2: The way they used to do it. They used to
Speaker 2: take two guards. They used to take a center and
Speaker 2: a small and a bit. Now they say, if it's positionless,
Speaker 2: you might have five guards be all fer Team all
Speaker 2: the NBA. You might have five bigs be first team
Speaker 2: All NBA. Because if you look, you basically got you
Speaker 2: got three three guards with Brunson, Curry and uh a man,
Speaker 2: and then you get basically got, you know, two forwards
Speaker 2: Lebron and Eman Mobley.
Speaker 4: The game has the game has changed from what I live,
Speaker 4: Uh in my my era, you know, I had one
Speaker 4: three for my entire career. I look at Steph Curry, right, now,
Speaker 4: Steph Curry as much as I, you know, think about him,
Speaker 4: he changed the game.
Speaker 3: He has changed the game.
Speaker 4: I talked to his dad and I said, man, yes, son,
Speaker 4: I hate the fact he's changed again. He's destroyed the
Speaker 4: NBA the where and his dad said, you know what,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of shot takers, but not a
Speaker 4: lot of shot maker. And when you think about that boy,
Speaker 4: his quick release he's handling under basketball. I didn't see
Speaker 4: it coming. I asked his dad, and I said, did
Speaker 4: you see him being na good?
Speaker 3: That saidenough? I didn't see this.
Speaker 4: So the second team you picked up, I think you could,
Speaker 4: you know, could easily say that. That followed by chat
Speaker 4: Hungary for the guy, I might want to put it
Speaker 4: in there because of the record that Minnesota had, that
Speaker 4: might happen, but they did have another guy to make it.
Speaker 2: Uh the third team All NBA selection with Kay Cunningham.
Speaker 2: Because he was an All NBA selection, he gets another
Speaker 2: forty five million dollars added to his max contract that
Speaker 2: he signed last off season. Ohoe, Tyrese Hallibert, Okay James Harden, Kat,
Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns, and last but not least, Jaln Williams.
Speaker 2: So Okay, se did have two guys to make the
Speaker 2: All NBA team, and remember lou Dort made the All
Speaker 2: Defensive team. So they got three guys that's on that's
Speaker 2: an All NBA selection, Two on basically the offensive side,
Speaker 2: the other two or the other one on the defensive side.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I love about that. But my
Speaker 4: eight is the fact the NBA rules salary caps is
Speaker 4: going to destroy that particular team because you can't keep
Speaker 4: that team together.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 4: Okay, see, so you're gonna make it so that you know,
Speaker 4: I love SuperTeams.
Speaker 3: I didn't like the Lakers when they're winning, obviously, but.
Speaker 4: I love the Bulls and you know, I love the
Speaker 4: dominant teams like that. But you know, now because you
Speaker 4: have the salary cap structures and the aprons that they
Speaker 4: talk about, OKC is not going.
Speaker 2: To have all those guys. They made it costs prohibited.
Speaker 2: They didn't want any more super teams anymore. Why why
Speaker 2: you love super teams? But they but Corean see, and
Speaker 2: that's what I tell people, see because a lot of
Speaker 2: time they say, oh, Lebron, did I say they were
Speaker 2: always super teams?
Speaker 3: What the hell do you think the Lakers were. What
Speaker 3: do you think the Celtics weren't in the eighties? Bill
Speaker 3: ain't super team?
Speaker 2: You talk about Bird, McHale, Parish djuh or they had
Speaker 2: tiny Archiba.
Speaker 3: One year they had Bill Walton, who was the sixth man.
Speaker 3: I got who I got traded for?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Bill Walker? Yeah? Damn that heard her? And you got
Speaker 3: and you got magic?
Speaker 2: Thinking about you got magic, Kareem James Worthy, you got
Speaker 2: Michael Thompson, you got Jamorrow.
Speaker 3: Come on, people, that was a super team.
Speaker 2: See hair as the thing people like if you if
Speaker 2: the if the general manager put a super team together,
Speaker 2: we're okay with that. We don't want the player to say, well,
Speaker 2: you know what I like corn bread? Hey man, I
Speaker 2: like bread too, and ojo, what you think about going
Speaker 2: to join bread over there?
Speaker 3: Such and such? No, they don't like that.
Speaker 2: But if a team, but if the general manager puts
Speaker 2: it together, we got no problem with that.
Speaker 4: Well, how do you feel right now? You're oho phil
Speaker 4: about what happened in Dallas? Dallas goes away, gets Drina Luca.
Speaker 4: That ain't like that, big fella? How does that taste?
Speaker 3: The boy?
Speaker 1: Uh get rid of Luca? And then they turn around
Speaker 1: and they get the kid from Duke this team, and
Speaker 1: we're going to be dangerous next year.
Speaker 3: They are if they.
Speaker 4: Can get healthy and you got Kyrie Irvin coming back,
Speaker 4: that team could be really dangerous.
Speaker 3: And to me, what it does is pushes the Lakers
Speaker 3: that much further down. I don't want to see. I want.
Speaker 2: Hey, But let me ask you this. The Mavericks do
Speaker 2: have that first pick. Now, there's gonna be a conversation
Speaker 2: sometime in the coming days between Jannis and Milwaukee's front office.
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to part with that number and
Speaker 2: overall draft pick for an opportunity to bring Yiannis and
Speaker 2: pair him with a D and Kyrie when he comes.
Speaker 3: Back by by first round draft choice.
Speaker 4: Look, I don't know what Cooper might do, but I
Speaker 4: know what Jannis is stupid. So if I had a
Speaker 4: chance to do it and reset my program, and if
Speaker 4: you're Milwaukee, you know you're gonna lose Jannis, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: go out, I make that trade, I grab some pieces,
Speaker 4: and I get ready for the future.
Speaker 3: But you know in that case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I make that deal all day because we know
Speaker 1: what Yianniss can't we doing. He's a proven Prather Shannon,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe that's what he is. He's a he's not
Speaker 1: he's not a bus rider. He's a damn bus driver.
Speaker 3: And that happened.
Speaker 1: Hold on, right, I got a question for you. Let's
Speaker 1: say they get rid of a Cooper flag. Right, let us
Speaker 1: go to the bucks. Did Giannas come in and automatic, automatically,
Speaker 1: automatically make the MAVs a championship contender?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I think yeah, yeah, because one thing he's gonna bring
Speaker 4: in that physicality.
Speaker 3: That's something that the MAVs have not.
Speaker 1: So you say you get if you get him, you
Speaker 1: get Anthony Davis, and you get Caybrie.
Speaker 3: Those guys healthy and put together, being all day.
Speaker 4: I'll look at the maths right now, and and I
Speaker 4: don't come and hear anybody that noise him. I said, fire, Nico, fire, good, exactly, good.
Speaker 3: Job, Nico.
Speaker 1: Here's a question I have to ask you, since you
Speaker 1: you know you you're a pretty physical guy. What what
Speaker 1: are you gonna go ahead and grab the guy who
Speaker 1: came to LA and take him out and run him
Speaker 1: up and down the beach.
Speaker 2: You're gonna go out and grab you saw you saw it.
Speaker 2: He's been in him. He eat his wife preparing good
Speaker 2: meals for him. You see that. Yeah, he's be his body.
Speaker 2: He's starting to look good.
Speaker 3: You can you know what, you can prepare the meal.
Speaker 3: But Oliver Miller when he played down in Phoenix, there
Speaker 3: you go, and then he was running the fight.
Speaker 1: He had a ball boy going getting them hamburgers. So
Speaker 1: until I see, until I see him, until I see
Speaker 1: him in that position, Luca, you know he.
Speaker 3: Has to be in shape.
Speaker 4: And I would eat and look, he's around the place
Speaker 4: where you're gonna get in shape. And the stars, the bodies,
Speaker 4: Lebron James, the best we've seen.
Speaker 3: Right now staying in shape. You're there.
Speaker 4: I mean, I grab one of you guys right now,
Speaker 4: said man, I give you a million dollars, just take
Speaker 4: me on a program and regiment to get my body
Speaker 4: in shape.
Speaker 3: I got you, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: But you know the thing, Corbra, and I tell people
Speaker 2: this all the time, It's easy to get in shape
Speaker 2: in the off season. It's like it's in a basketball player.
Speaker 2: It's getting in late at night, at three o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning and making the right decisions.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna eat no pizza. I'm not gonna eat
Speaker 3: nothing fast food. I'm not gonna eat anything processed. So
Speaker 3: that's the problem that the gods have.
Speaker 2: They get off their game and they grab chicken and
Speaker 2: it's not baked or it's not you know, it's not roasted.
Speaker 4: Share and that's that's not true. That's not true. I
Speaker 4: hate the bunch of bubble.
Speaker 1: But now they have meals prepared for them after they
Speaker 1: don't want that.
Speaker 3: No, a lot of them eating.
Speaker 1: A lot of them come off the we a lot
Speaker 1: of them come in on the bus and they have
Speaker 1: meals which you're prepared for.
Speaker 3: So the guys don't eat like we did during the eighties.
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty four, getting ready to play the Lakers, I
Speaker 1: had a big Mac, a supersize my fried, a large
Speaker 1: orange soda.
Speaker 4: And this is before the damn game. So that's how
Speaker 4: we ate during that time. Players have an opportunity.
Speaker 1: It was I look at these guys now, they have
Speaker 1: they have a chef in the morning, they have dinner,
Speaker 1: they have lunch, cook form, they have dinner after the game.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even know why they get pretty him.
Speaker 4: I mean, to me, is amazing the way and I
Speaker 4: love it. I'm not joiced to though. I love the
Speaker 4: way our players are being taken care of.
Speaker 3: Oh, Joe, we had this conversation. Think about it.
Speaker 2: In the NFL, they get breakfast prepared for him, they
Speaker 2: get much prepared for him, and they get dinner prepared
Speaker 2: after they watch after their meeting and to take home
Speaker 2: with them. How can you be out of shape? And
Speaker 2: with all that state of the art equipment they got.
Speaker 2: They got fifthy old, they got massages, therapist, they got cryo,
Speaker 2: they got an infrared corporate, they got every I'm talking
Speaker 2: about state. When I say state of the art, I'm
Speaker 2: talking about fifty and seventy five one hundred million dollar facilities.
Speaker 3: There's no reason hold on.
Speaker 1: But you know, know everything you just said, cor On
Speaker 1: Brad to them everything I'm just said. They have a
Speaker 1: state of arder everything. They have everything that they need
Speaker 1: at their backing call. But for some reason, I don't
Speaker 1: know why, more injuries. Injuries are more prevalent today. Everyone's
Speaker 1: seen getting hurt. Corn Bread.
Speaker 3: I remember back in the day, and matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I'm not too far from you.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, he used to play outside when
Speaker 1: he was young and go in the house and get
Speaker 1: your let ask water doing the summer. No, what's your
Speaker 1: what's your grandmad your mama told you go drink the
Speaker 1: water holes on the side of the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, getting hurt right then.
Speaker 4: I don't understand what the problem old school and I
Speaker 4: and and here's the thing. I look at the Boston
Speaker 4: Sells have one of the best players around be Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4: The thing I felt like Jay said Tatum got hurt.
Speaker 4: It wasn't because he didn't train hard enough. I just
Speaker 4: think he played too much basketball. He played during the Olympics,
Speaker 4: he played during the Championship. And here's my true belief.
Speaker 4: If you don't rest your body, your body's gonna rest
Speaker 4: you and I and and you have the you've seen
Speaker 4: it before when when you and I played. I know
Speaker 4: when I played during the eighties, when we got through
Speaker 4: playing the boys who tell us, man, take three months off,
Speaker 4: don't do it? We tell you now, these guys go
Speaker 4: year round and uncle and the old show. I tell you,
Speaker 4: this is what I hate.
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that they damn changing jerseys and
Speaker 1: laughing at each other jerseys walk.
Speaker 3: I hate that. Oh my god, I hate that. I
Speaker 3: hate that. There's nothing I hate more than that.
Speaker 4: Nineteen eight, nineteen eighty three, we're playing uh uh, we're
Speaker 4: playing the seventy sixths in the exhibition game in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: We went and we won the game. We went and
Speaker 1: got in the restaurant. We went there and ate the
Speaker 1: seventy sixers got there after us. They saw that we
Speaker 1: were there. They hated us up bad. They left the
Speaker 1: damn restaurant. Didn't need That's how I just thought they were.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because they one y'all have this had y'all
Speaker 2: down three to one, and y'all came back.
Speaker 3: You remember that player, they remember Belling.
Speaker 1: We did Washington.
Speaker 3: This is how it goes on like this.
Speaker 2: They did they I thought the I thought the boss
Speaker 2: and Strangler Andrew toldy I thought he.
Speaker 3: I thought. I thought they had y'all. I thought they
Speaker 3: had you bring you he was. He was absolutely a beast. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I talked.
Speaker 4: To I was talking to a couple of the seventy sixers,
Speaker 4: guys mo chicks in particularly. He said, Man, I've never
Speaker 4: played in a more physical series than we had. They're
Speaker 4: in the eighties and those were just great series that
Speaker 4: if you go back and you to them, these games
Speaker 4: won by everyone, was won by one or two points,
Speaker 4: two points. The last last five games we played the
Speaker 4: separation was about six points, So yeah, there were physical games.
Speaker 4: I understand it's a different era and I love these guys,
Speaker 4: but man, the money that these guys make, now, it
Speaker 4: shouldn't it shouldn't it should be no issue.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I've ever seen this before.
Speaker 2: You had four unanimous selections on the All NBA team.
Speaker 2: Giannis was a unanimous he got one hundred first place votes,
Speaker 2: Shaye was a unanimous one hundred first place vote, Nikola
Speaker 2: Jokic one hundred first place votes, Jason Tatum one hundred
Speaker 2: first place votes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, core man, somebody got have some balls and
Speaker 1: break away from that. Please, ain't nobody could go one
Speaker 1: hundred percent? Shannon, you're old toel No, ain't nobody go
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of nothing? Come on, ask your question,
Speaker 1: ask your question? What power forward you giving a vote
Speaker 1: and taking it from your honest? What guard you taking
Speaker 1: a vote from and giving it?
Speaker 3: What guard you? What shade?
Speaker 2: You're taking a vote from shade and giving it to
Speaker 2: somebody else? Okay, what big are you taking a vote
Speaker 2: from NICOLEA. Jokic and giving him to JT? You know
Speaker 2: when when when you're right? And Dann Shannon you right.
Speaker 3: That's all. I can't argue with you. I take a
Speaker 3: sip of the suler you're you're right. I can't larn
Speaker 3: you with that. Those are points with your ballot.
Speaker 1: But I think so it's just hard for me to
Speaker 1: see a guy get a one hundred percent of anything
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 3: People say this thing like, you know what, I work
Speaker 3: one hundred and ten percent. Can't work a hundred ten percent.
Speaker 4: Can't do it. That's all you get. But that's all
Speaker 4: you got, one hundred percent. No, oh, you worked down,
Speaker 4: that's it.
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum was named All NBA First Team for the
Speaker 2: fourth straight year. Corn Bread doesn't look like it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a fifth consecutive year because he's not going to
Speaker 2: He went to the same surgeon that did Kevin Durants. Now,
Speaker 2: if you remember Kevin Durant, it happened in June of
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. Kevin Durant, you know, twenty nineteen rolls around,
Speaker 2: he doesn't play it. Twenty twenty rolls around, they go
Speaker 2: into the bubble, he doesn't play. So he took off
Speaker 2: a total Look, if I'm not mistaken about eighteen months now,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Jason Tatum's gonna take off that amount
Speaker 2: of time. But if you look at Kevin Durant, if
Speaker 2: somebody didn't tell you he has suffered a tornt Achilles,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know it because he picked right back up
Speaker 2: well he left off.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, But here's the difference. Okay,
Speaker 3: One is age.
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum is twenty five, twenty six, twenty six. When
Speaker 4: what happened when you think of Kevin when they heard
Speaker 4: that he was almost thirty something, he was nine third.
Speaker 4: I always said as a broadcast, I see guys fall
Speaker 4: down when they're in the twenties. I said, oh, he hurt,
Speaker 4: and damn bumus ain't even gonna form yea his muscle. Still,
Speaker 4: I think tatum Is recovery will probably be easier because
Speaker 4: he's a.
Speaker 3: Yacht lot younger and he doesn't have this many miles.
Speaker 4: But like you, I don't I don't foresee him coming back,
Speaker 4: you know, for this coming year, because I think that
Speaker 4: if you look at this team, Pratt Stevens has some
Speaker 4: opportunity right now to reset, and he's gonna have three
Speaker 4: sets because of the salary structure.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's going to be first s
Speaker 2: ra Vegas ain't coming back. That's one not coming back.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you go.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 2: I know that you got Now the question is are
Speaker 2: you bringing Derrick White and Holiday back because they both
Speaker 2: got big salaries.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do with Al Horford?
Speaker 2: Okay, you're probably gonna keep j JB because you're gonna
Speaker 2: be without j T. But I'm not so sure that
Speaker 2: when j JT comes back. It's hard having two players
Speaker 2: making three hundred men.
Speaker 4: JB is a great player. Yeah, but what happened to Giannis?
Speaker 4: This what happened this year? Went with Luca?
Speaker 3: This year? All best of off? Now, I totally a Bee.
Speaker 1: Anybody can be moved in this league now, you know,
Speaker 1: don't get too stuck up on being around you might
Speaker 1: be moved. So in Brad Stevens because he's gonna have
Speaker 1: the flexibility of when he won a championship.
Speaker 4: Joe Miszula is a great coach. Can Joe Missoula have
Speaker 4: team right now that is going to probably struggle a
Speaker 4: little bit coming out of the gate because you don't
Speaker 4: have that great player. So I think it's going to
Speaker 4: be a total reset. I believe it's gonna be a
Speaker 4: face slip for the Celtics. And then on top of that,
Speaker 4: you have a new, a new, new, new regime, and
Speaker 4: you know that the uh he he paid six six
Speaker 4: billion dollars for this six point one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I me, I know that's chicken change you
Speaker 3: and your brothers. But for me, Yeah, I know. That's
Speaker 3: why I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't find a dollar and I can't kill one. Hey, Bret,
Speaker 2: I take the I take the point one. You keep
Speaker 2: it seeing this, give me the point one? Oh Joe,
Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be happy with that. Hey, but I
Speaker 2: think the thing is what the teams this Luca trade.
Speaker 3: It tells me.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it tells you, O Joe, I'll
Speaker 2: be interested to hear what you and Bread think is
Speaker 2: that team Like, we're not going to let y'all do the
Speaker 2: great players hold us hostage. We'll move your ass because
Speaker 2: y'all had too much power. I mean, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: superstars had some power. They've never had the kind of
Speaker 2: control that these guys got. I heard Bird talking Bird say,
Speaker 2: they didn't run nothing about me. Hey, I just hey,
Speaker 2: I go in the locker room. But I got a
Speaker 2: new teammate. They ain't asked me that, hold on, that's
Speaker 2: a lie. I get it out of it and get
Speaker 2: it out about ya.
Speaker 1: I love Larry, but when I got traded in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five eighty six for Bill Walton, they ran that
Speaker 1: by Larry and he signed up on that and he
Speaker 1: signed off on.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: I'm not believing. You're saying a lot of stuff, but players.
Speaker 4: Players didn't have a little bit of power, but now
Speaker 4: they have so much more because they are a commodity.
Speaker 4: They are Yes, this is this is a fortune five
Speaker 4: hundred when you get one guy right now. So I
Speaker 4: mean their ability to control games, to manipulate teams, teams.
Speaker 3: Been over backwards. You know, you're on the road right now.
Speaker 1: You know when I was in the NBA, we had
Speaker 1: to wash our own road uniforms my first couple of years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so look, yeah, well you know what Charles
Speaker 2: Barkley said that, Yeah, guys will go on a two
Speaker 2: week road trip.
Speaker 3: And there was some guys who were so nasty they
Speaker 3: wouldn't even watch the uniform.
Speaker 1: You were granted that uniform and you could throw up
Speaker 1: and throw it out in the and it was stand
Speaker 1: up by stand up.
Speaker 4: I seen him like that. He's like you ain't gon
Speaker 4: why would you want to guard that smelly guy right there? So,
Speaker 4: I mean it was a different time. I appreciate what
Speaker 4: the teams are doing. I appreciate the players. They are
Speaker 4: tremendous athletes. But I tell you what I would I'd
Speaker 4: be hard pressed to find some guys right now as.
Speaker 1: You talk about and on all that smoke. They don't
Speaker 1: want these They they ain't looking at it. They come
Speaker 1: in and they talk a lot, but there are any of
Speaker 1: those guys.
Speaker 2: But see back then, a you could be talking all
Speaker 2: kind of crazy if somebody they swing on you back
Speaker 2: at it. But you know, back then you wasn't getting
Speaker 2: five or fifteen hundred. Now they put a fine on you.
Speaker 2: Now you might lose a million, two million dollar corporated.
Speaker 2: The guy's like dogs, what what what's a million dollars?
Speaker 2: You a guy making a seventy eight million dollars.
Speaker 3: I ain't giving away no money. I know you, I
Speaker 3: know you're.
Speaker 4: Not, But I'm just talking the way the league is now.
Speaker 4: How many times we seen Draymond get Draymond get fired.
Speaker 1: He's been fined over a couple of million dollars, a
Speaker 1: million he's giving money back. So so guys aren't afraid
Speaker 1: now when you're talking about that money.
Speaker 3: But now them think, no guys want to fight, O Joe.
Speaker 3: I don't. Don't nobody I want to fight no more.
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody Because we.
Speaker 1: Saw we saw Shannon. We saw Shannon at the Laker game.
Speaker 1: I think, there you go, there you go. I ain't
Speaker 1: want no smoke. I ain't want no smoke. You you
Speaker 1: would know when you walk, when you take a foot
Speaker 1: on the floor, it's punting to a guy.
Speaker 2: O Joe, come on, now you look, I'm looked down.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I ain't on the court. I make sure
Speaker 2: I want on the court. I ain't do I ain't
Speaker 2: do a halit, daddy did I ain't run up on
Speaker 2: the court.
Speaker 3: Nobody. You know what I'm saying. Oh, ask you a question.
Speaker 3: O Joe didn't even want something. That smoke.
Speaker 1: He want that smoke by smoke was coming out of
Speaker 1: his ears, going ready.
Speaker 3: You do look out.
Speaker 2: I was dressed though, joke better had a four thousand
Speaker 2: dollars car to get old. I was, you know, I
Speaker 2: was like, I want nothing. Well you had what you know,
Speaker 2: a little cardigan, little sub I had, Oh you know.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well he well you know what, y your your
Speaker 4: grandma's flipping right now and up in heaven talking other
Speaker 4: four thousand. You talked so many stories about how much
Speaker 4: money you guys didn't have, and now you're talking about
Speaker 4: you are.
Speaker 2: Head a cardigan for four Yeah, hey, hey corporate, you're
Speaker 2: from the South.
Speaker 3: You know what money? Money wasn't plowing like it is now.
Speaker 3: Couldn't couldn't do it at all.
Speaker 1: My my father would grab my grab my father would
Speaker 1: give me a dollar, and he asked me next week,
Speaker 1: didn't I give a dollar last week?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think that dollar's gonna last. So it is
Speaker 3: a different thing.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, car Bret, tell me how
Speaker 2: the presson you think this is. Lebron James made his
Speaker 2: twenty first All NBA team at the age of forty,
Speaker 2: and this is what he tweeted. He said, All NBA
Speaker 2: at forty little key crazy to me right now, sitting
Speaker 2: here watching the playoffs and just thinking of it left beyond,
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. You're impressient.
Speaker 3: You do you think we'll feel another player like Lebron?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, not not because the genetics, the circumstances.
Speaker 3: All the stuff, the will to win, the work, affic.
Speaker 4: That's what that's what makes him to me, the goat
Speaker 4: when I started thinking about, oh, I know, you turn
Speaker 4: your head when.
Speaker 1: I said that. The only reason I.
Speaker 4: Say that is because of what he's done over this
Speaker 4: full period of time, the number of points. Everybody talks
Speaker 4: about his losses and the playoffs, Well he got there,
Speaker 4: don't don't.
Speaker 3: Don't forget this wrong.
Speaker 4: But Michael Jordan his first couple of years got swept swell,
Speaker 4: didn't win, didn't win the game. So I think that
Speaker 4: the Goat conversation to me is really different. But I
Speaker 4: am a huge fan of who Lebron is and what
Speaker 4: he's done on and off the court. But at this
Speaker 4: age right now, to be relevant in the n B
Speaker 4: A to just be damn, it's.
Speaker 2: All right away, just crazy, all right. This is what
Speaker 2: Mike Wilbon had to say earlier. We know who Mike
Speaker 2: wilbonn is. He says, I'm not going to sit here
Speaker 2: and say that Lebron James has to be considered better
Speaker 2: than Magic Johnson. That's garbage. I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: Lebron James has to be considered better than Bill Russell.
Speaker 2: That's garbage. I'm not going to sit here and say
Speaker 2: Lebron James has to be considered better than Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 2: That's garbage. Lebron James is one of the greatest players
Speaker 2: of all time in all team sports. I'm sorry. If
Speaker 2: that's not good enough, turn the page, get over yourself.
Speaker 2: In other words, I'm not going to proclaim and support
Speaker 2: and wave Lebron James flag for greatness. But if I
Speaker 2: say he's less than number two, that's not good enough
Speaker 2: for you. To hell with you? What I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're not gonna say so, why would you say he
Speaker 2: number two? If you're not gonna say he the greatest,
Speaker 2: if you're not gonna say he's better than those guys
Speaker 2: that you mentioned, why would you even say anything about
Speaker 2: him being number two?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think that people like to say
Speaker 4: because you're in the conversation. Maybe one of the best
Speaker 4: points I think I've ever heard when you did your
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame speech, when you talked about you know
Speaker 4: your brother right and and that, and I'm not a
Speaker 4: cheerful person, and I don't like you. I didn't like
Speaker 4: you that way. But when you said that I am
Speaker 4: not the greatest player in my household, that to Lee
Speaker 4: told me who you were as a person because of Mike,
Speaker 4: because of what Lebron changed done, the way he's been
Speaker 4: brought up.
Speaker 3: You know, mother or mother doesn't know his father, what
Speaker 3: he's done, how he's educated himself.
Speaker 1: I look at the totality of who that man is
Speaker 1: and when he's done.
Speaker 3: On the basketball horizon.
Speaker 1: He's playing the guys right now, who's playing with whod
Speaker 1: he's twenty twenty five years older day?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we ain't gonna say years day, daddy, but
Speaker 3: we just.
Speaker 1: Going with the DNA just might be out there one day,
Speaker 1: who knows.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 1: You know it's funny though, Uncle corn read when you
Speaker 1: think about it. I think about the conversation when it
Speaker 1: comes to the greats, when it comes to sports, two
Speaker 1: greats like this in basketball, you talk about football, you
Speaker 1: come to the greats, you talk about Tom Brady's and
Speaker 1: your Steve Young's and your past Ma homes.
Speaker 3: The Jordan Lebron conversation to me is one that will
Speaker 3: never end. Nope.
Speaker 1: That's based on preference on who someone likes. And I
Speaker 1: think the conversation in itself is something that will continue
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 3: On and on and on.
Speaker 1: It will have a never ending story because there's so
Speaker 1: many barrierals that go into it and what people to
Speaker 1: them makes that individual their goal. Yeah, it's like one
Speaker 1: of those things that I personally would stay away from
Speaker 1: because it's never in debate when it's like three things
Speaker 1: that I've always stayed away from when it comes to
Speaker 1: being on a certain platform or any platform for that matter,
Speaker 1: because it's never ending.
Speaker 3: Race, religion, politics, and politics.
Speaker 1: It's never ending, and it can go on and on
Speaker 1: and depending on who you talk to, he could be
Speaker 1: there for twenty four hours because they will always be
Speaker 1: something to discuss and something something to talk about. And
Speaker 1: that that that the broad that Lebron joined debate managed.
Speaker 1: It's just one that just but here you never see
Speaker 1: the light of day here.
Speaker 4: Here's the beauty about that that he's in the conversation.
Speaker 3: That he's in the conversation.
Speaker 1: If you're one of the top one of the top
Speaker 1: five players that ever to play the game.
Speaker 3: Period, that's enough for me. I don't need no more
Speaker 3: than that. You don't need to have the best.
Speaker 4: No, he's one of the top guys that ever lace
Speaker 4: his shoes up.
Speaker 3: Although he although he is the Laker now and I
Speaker 3: hate him because of that.
Speaker 4: I hate him Because of that, I still respect him
Speaker 4: because just like Magic Jos, I don't like Magic, but
Speaker 4: I respect him for what he's done for, you know,
Speaker 4: the people in the black people in the communities, what
Speaker 4: he's done for the people at age or aren't you
Speaker 4: but dours, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I respect him for that.
Speaker 1: Now, if he if I would do this, if I
Speaker 1: wouldn't give him, I wouldn't give him a glass, if
Speaker 1: if he was on fire, wouldn't put the going on,
Speaker 1: I drink it.
Speaker 3: Because that's hate that dude.
Speaker 2: I just say to say, you look, it's easy to
Speaker 2: say that because I think Michael, I think will Bond
Speaker 2: does have a great relationship with Jordan's because I've heard
Speaker 2: him have other takes on other being the greatest when
Speaker 2: he talks about boxing and he talks about ali and
Speaker 2: the other sports that he said that he feels very
Speaker 2: comfortable saying this, but it just so happens this discussion
Speaker 2: that he's not gonna say that's his boy. Come on,
Speaker 2: I'm just say it because I've heard him have other
Speaker 2: discussions like where he had no talk with.
Speaker 3: Michael Wilbourn, But that's his boy. Mike is his boy.
Speaker 3: Mike and Chicago, Mike Michael, Well, boy in Chicago. You
Speaker 3: can't go against that man, And I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: say that. Yeah, just because a lot of time when
Speaker 3: people ask me a question a little better than I'm biased. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I played with y'all anyway, So I y'all want me
Speaker 2: to say no, come on now, my brother, I'm in
Speaker 2: certain situations I'm biased. I'm not gonna be able to
Speaker 2: I can't separate it. Most of the time I can't.
Speaker 2: I can be objected, but in this situation, when I'm
Speaker 2: talking about a family or something like that, I'm biased.
Speaker 3: No, I can't separate it.
Speaker 4: I walked in the room my first year, my second
Speaker 4: in the league. I was averaging eighteen and ten. There
Speaker 4: was a white guy that came on the court for
Speaker 4: our first practice, and I gave him a clap like this.
Speaker 3: Great white hope and it was Larry Joe Bird. Uh huh.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what.
Speaker 4: By the time that practice said, I went to the
Speaker 4: first black person I could see. I say, you know
Speaker 4: what a damn white guy can play down there. So
Speaker 4: I I learned to think, you don't judge your book
Speaker 4: by company. You really don't.
Speaker 1: And you know, God's the funny God, God doesn't give
Speaker 1: me one, but God gives me the two best white
Speaker 1: players ever to play together in Birds and Michael and
Speaker 1: I dare say I might have the best.
Speaker 3: White team ever.
Speaker 4: When I think about if I got those two and
Speaker 4: I put Cablet Check in there, I put Dave Cowen's
Speaker 4: in there, I put Pep Marybage in there, all white teeth.
Speaker 4: I got it. I got it down hands pat in basketball.
Speaker 4: So I was prejudiced as a player, But my god,
Speaker 4: those guys can play the game at a high level.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about this.
Speaker 2: Michael Beesby also chimed in on the Jordan Lebron debate.
Speaker 2: With Jordan, they don't talk about negativity. What will Lebron?
Speaker 2: We watch it's good, it's bad. We watch his ups
Speaker 2: is downs, and he's been so great. We don't have
Speaker 2: anything else to say, so we talk about his son. Well,
Speaker 2: here's the thing. During this era, there wasn't social media
Speaker 2: like it is now that you know you and you
Speaker 2: and you know how social media is.
Speaker 1: Okay, absolutely, I'm all over the paper social media either
Speaker 1: never read about some of the things that some of
Speaker 1: the people have done and said a social media has
Speaker 1: changed the landscape for any ath laid out and if
Speaker 1: you don't understand that, then you're a fool out there.
Speaker 3: I said that.
Speaker 4: I mean Jermezola said, I want to insulate Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4: I said, Joe, you ken, he said what I said.
Speaker 4: Because of social media. That man got five six seven leadion.
Speaker 1: People following him every time he's doing every commercial out there,
Speaker 1: God blesson.
Speaker 3: But you cannot have the good without the back and
Speaker 3: the fourth.
Speaker 4: On it because social media is so big now, it
Speaker 4: absolutely is.
Speaker 2: And Jordan has said it but saying he don't know
Speaker 2: how he could have handled social media because think about
Speaker 2: how he's done. You know, how he's been able to
Speaker 2: despoke this life now, he's been in a bubble from
Speaker 2: the first eighty four. I mean, he doesn't know what
Speaker 2: it's like to have a normal life. He can't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: He can't go to the movies. He had written the
Speaker 2: whole movie Thaate out. He can't go to the he
Speaker 2: couldn't take his kids to the skating rink. He had
Speaker 2: writ the whole skating rink out. So Lebron is the
Speaker 2: same way. I mean, Lebron moves a little bit more
Speaker 2: freely than Jordans. I mean, because you really never saw
Speaker 2: Jordan at advance, like like what you see Lebron going
Speaker 2: to a high school basketball game or pulling up at
Speaker 2: a college game. It's just so hard for him for
Speaker 2: to be I wouldn't I wouldn't want to le Bron.
Speaker 3: Lebron loves the social media.
Speaker 1: He dictates any acts in a way that he is
Speaker 1: able to orchan strain some of the things with the
Speaker 1: social media that doesn't.
Speaker 3: Happen when you talk about Lebron, when you talk about
Speaker 3: what happened on with Jordan.
Speaker 4: Jordan was looked at as this guy and from then
Speaker 4: on he didn't worry about it.
Speaker 3: You said, then, and then you saw how he was exposed.
Speaker 4: When it was the last dayance, I had my parents
Speaker 4: on my podcast, he said, he said, let me tell
Speaker 4: you right now.
Speaker 3: He said, Michael Jordan's a damn brilling.
Speaker 4: He said, we played him and I was on his
Speaker 4: team that time, and we beat him.
Speaker 3: And then after the game, he said, there were locker room.
Speaker 4: He said, Michael was standing there and he said, Michael
Speaker 4: hyen like the mask kickers. We gave it that and
Speaker 4: Michael said, if you keep talking, our kick your ass.
Speaker 3: Well, my buddy Rob Robert Parris said, look you and
Speaker 3: nobody else said.
Speaker 4: Robert walked up to me and said, you know what,
Speaker 4: I got rings already before I got here. So there
Speaker 4: was some exposure to who Michael Jordan was as a player.
Speaker 3: I admire him.
Speaker 4: He's from Love, Carolina, from Wilmington, right down the street
Speaker 4: from my hometown to Kenston.
Speaker 3: I understand who he is.
Speaker 1: But nobody would have ever thought that we would have
Speaker 1: had a guy that would become that big, that big
Speaker 1: in basketball.
Speaker 3: And I played with the Birds that played with magic.
Speaker 4: But none of those guys will ever ranked what Jordan
Speaker 4: has done a standpoint of being on that route Mount Rushmore,
Speaker 4: except maybe Lebron Jente.
Speaker 3: The shoe because Corn Brad.
Speaker 2: You remember, like gods had shoes like mos Malone and
Speaker 2: ice Man, they weren't Nike. Nike wasn't that big back
Speaker 2: in the late seventies early eighties until Jordan took it
Speaker 2: over and then you had to wear is the cons
Speaker 2: bird water CONSU, magic water cons. Doctor j made the
Speaker 2: corn really famous. But when they retired, okay, the shoot
Speaker 2: went away. He ain't nobody wasn't nobody else rocking the
Speaker 2: weapons and the Jordan and the Birds and the magic.
Speaker 2: But Jordan Jordan and drove the basketball in twenty five years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's still got the number one selling Shoot you.
Speaker 4: Right about that? And people say that right now by
Speaker 4: this his ex wife Janeda, How the hell do you
Speaker 4: try to go date her when you're walking up in
Speaker 4: his shoes?
Speaker 3: Hey? Baby, whoa what you got on your shoes up
Speaker 3: to come?
Speaker 4: Before you come here? So man, you guys, you know what.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you this before I go. You guys
Speaker 4: have been brilliant. I am so appreciative of being on
Speaker 4: your show. Can't wait to come.
Speaker 3: Back and thank you.
Speaker 4: I see when I see you two young black men
Speaker 4: working and doing what you've done. Man to me, I
Speaker 4: just loove you. You're young black, get brilliant. He and
Speaker 4: I always remember who you are and that's why I
Speaker 4: love both you guys.
Speaker 3: So Corl bred I appreciate that. Man. Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2: And you get a look when you get another moment
Speaker 2: to stop back by, because probably when you come back by,
Speaker 2: the Lakers probably be happy. Hey, oh Joe, we spent
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes trying to get him sit up with
Speaker 2: the camera talking to him and his wife talking through it.
Speaker 2: So he had his camera on. He been on there
Speaker 2: for like an hour. He wait, so he been there
Speaker 2: for an hour. That was corn bred. Max Well the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one Finals MVP over the Houston Rockets when
Speaker 2: they had Moses Malone on that team. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of all the players that they had on that team.
Speaker 2: I think they had who else was on that team?
Speaker 3: Moses Malone? I'm trying to think. I don't think Rodney
Speaker 3: McCrae was on that team yet.
Speaker 2: I think that he was on the eighty sixteen, but uh,
Speaker 2: the Celtics beat them in six games. But uh, it
Speaker 2: was great to have corn bread on. Man, I I
Speaker 2: know you, Like I said, I used to follow the
Speaker 2: Boston Celtics.
Speaker 3: That was my team.
Speaker 2: Ladd Bird was my guy, and uh, it was great
Speaker 2: to have cornbread on. So cornbread when you get a chance,
Speaker 2: start back by the volume