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Speaker 2: Come on, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining

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Speaker 2: us for another episode of Nightcap. You watch the Indiana

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Speaker 2: Pacers do what they did the last series, go on

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Speaker 2: the road and take a two oh lead going back

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Speaker 2: to Indy. Yes they are, They're up two oh They're

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Speaker 2: in a commanding position. You don't see this often, but

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Speaker 2: they've done it in back to back series, a commanding

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Speaker 2: two to oh lead one fourteen to one oh nine

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Speaker 2: thanks to a red hot shooting night from Pascal Siakam

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Speaker 2: who had thirty nine big points.

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Speaker 3: They have six guys in.

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Speaker 2: Double figures like they normally do as a committee team,

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Speaker 2: and they win this ball game on the road, one

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Speaker 2: fourteen to one oh nine.

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Speaker 2: the tour until twenty twenty six. Now let's get into

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Speaker 2: this ball game. The Indiana Pacers go on the road. Now,

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Speaker 2: remind you they did this to the number one seed.

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Speaker 2: The team that won sixty four games in the regular season.

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Speaker 2: They went on the road to Cleveland and they took

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Speaker 2: if they do People might have thought that was a fluke.

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Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam was sensational night fifteen of twenty three, shooting

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Speaker 2: And that's normally how they do it. Corn Bread. You've

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Speaker 2: Fourteen thirteen, sixteen, nineteen, and they did it again tonight.

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Speaker 2: When you watch this game, corn bread, What was it?

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Speaker 2: What is it that the Pacers are doing or is

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Speaker 1: I think it's something that the Celtics are doing. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know something I think that the Pacers are doing.

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Speaker 4: I think what the Pacers are doing really well. They're

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Speaker 4: defensively cannot rotate and trap as much. That happens when

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Speaker 4: the Knicks to playing other teams, the ball sticks and

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Speaker 3: He physically, that's of the team step.

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Speaker 2: Watching this game, Ocholl, I was looking at it early

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at this game at the half, I'm like, Nick,

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Speaker 3: I think they are y'all in trouble.

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Speaker 2: I say, because they've walked you down from fourteen with

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Speaker 2: ball game. And the thing that the Pacers do, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna play with They're going to play with pace. They're

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Speaker 2: going to push the ball. Whether you make the shot,

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Speaker 2: and like you said, they do a great job of movie.

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Speaker 2: And they don't have a guy that you say, oh,

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Speaker 2: They don't have a dominant guy a Luca or or

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Speaker 3: So you don't know.

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Speaker 2: On a given night, it could be one of either

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Speaker 2: very difficult to defend. Jalen Brunston is averaging almost forty

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Speaker 2: oh Joe. When you're looking at the Knicks and you

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Speaker 2: I think you picked the Knicks to win, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: what is it that you're seeing what's been most disappointing

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Speaker 1: For you, I mean well for the Knicks obviously, I

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Speaker 1: need I need more people to contribute, you know. At

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Speaker 1: I think it's too much press on Jayden Bronson to

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Speaker 1: keep them in the game regards the Pacers can pass

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Speaker 1: the ball and no, they keep the ball moving offensively

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Speaker 1: as well. Cat, I mean where the cat have night?

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Speaker 3: Cat had twenty points on six to fourteen, shooting fourteen shots.

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Speaker 3: Isn't enough, not not not even close. Bridges had eighteen shots. Listen,

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Speaker 3: now be down, I'll be down two and the whole

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about we. I'm just saying pacimply because I

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Speaker 3: picked the next to win this series. They God damn

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Speaker 3: Halliburton man. Listen. He was very official night.

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Speaker 1: He only had fourteen points, but still his shot selection

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Speaker 4: Just chah, Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, cheh stick of

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Speaker 4: for ki. They're done.

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Speaker 3: Now you're going already then stoll it that I already? Yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: they're done. I mean, I don't I don't think that.

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Speaker 4: You look at them the first game they lost, that's psychologically,

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Speaker 4: it does a lot of damage.

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Speaker 1: But then you come back and you play okay, and

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Speaker 1: you lose the second gate.

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Speaker 4: Where are the people that were rocking the something bust

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Speaker 4: the other day when I was on it, when when

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Speaker 4: I think that you look at the Knicks, this is

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Speaker 4: a team that plays with emotion. What they've done they

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Speaker 4: take them they've taken the emotion out. You said something

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Speaker 4: about the pace that they run. Let me tell you

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Speaker 4: what happened during nineteen eighty four. I swear to God

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Speaker 4: it's how it happened. We played the Lakers in Game three.

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Speaker 4: They beat us so bad, we scored I didn't even

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Speaker 4: think Magic took.

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Speaker 3: The ball out of bound. He was right behind them.

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Speaker 3: They take it out a bound? What mean? But that's

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Speaker 3: what great teams do.

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Speaker 4: They don't allow you to get back in a position

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Speaker 4: of resting, and that's what the Knicks want to do.

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Speaker 3: They want to rest.

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Speaker 4: But as long as you attack them and you make

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Speaker 4: them play on the defensive end, and you make Carl

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Speaker 4: Anthony times accountable, you make Bruston accountable on the defensive end.

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Speaker 4: That is what Hurston Knickson. Who's going who you're looking

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Speaker 4: at OVERDEVI? Who's going to score? After that?

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Speaker 3: Right? Corporate?

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Speaker 2: You said something very interesting, you say at the team

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Speaker 2: that plays on the motion and they lost that first game.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was they lost the first

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Speaker 2: hadn't seen a whole lot of teams lose games like

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Speaker 2: that when they have such a lead with that few

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Speaker 2: it's like one four hundred and forty seven when somebody

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Speaker 2: when when Brunson hit that three and they get within

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Speaker 2: like hoping something could go their way so they could

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Speaker 2: get into the ballgame. Wh Why are we so surprised

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Speaker 2: by this?

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Speaker 1: You're talking about what did they do when they played

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Speaker 1: Cleveland the same game.

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Speaker 3: They get back at the end of the game and

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Speaker 3: they won.

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Speaker 4: Rick carliss I played with Rick Carlile as a young player. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he was always somebody who got at it and he

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Speaker 4: was at a high pace and he made guys accountable.

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Speaker 3: He does that with this team.

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Speaker 1: The problem that the Knicks have is the fact that

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Speaker 1: you look at that Pacer team, they have championship DNA?

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Speaker 3: Has it? Si Ill come has it?

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Speaker 4: Who over there on the Knicks has that championship DNA

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Speaker 4: or you're going to fall to at the end of

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the huge problem for them.

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Speaker 4: Their team right now that's played with great and most

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Speaker 2: But Jalen Brunton in Game two thirty six points, eleven

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Speaker 2: Lebron has more thirty five point Tennessee playoff games in

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Speaker 3: The man is over. We've seen them go on the

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Speaker 1: What she did when she went to check me, what

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Speaker 3: What the Knicks are I ain't known.

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Speaker 4: I thought that I really hated the Laker fans and

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Speaker 3: And I said, oh, Hold on a minute.

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Speaker 4: They haven't lay three last time they won the championship.

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Speaker 3: I was in nice school. It is my senior year.

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Speaker 1: I bring to turn seventy years old, so I'm not

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Speaker 3: They played hard. I like what Brunston does.

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Speaker 4: I like what they've done with their team, But I

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Speaker 3: They've done it twice. Yeah, I think the thing.

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Speaker 3: And make this a series. Chad, let's go on, let's

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Speaker 4: But that's that's better case, okay, me and you. I

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Speaker 3: This team plays.

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Speaker 4: I like the way they play, Tips has them playing hard.

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Speaker 4: what we've seen this team do so far this year

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Speaker 2: And I think the thing is it was concerning for me,

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Speaker 2: So if my big good hey corporate, you know this,

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Speaker 3: Two big guys just went off.

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Speaker 2: If we still beat y'all, what's the likelihood of y'all

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Speaker 3: The likelihood is not.

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Speaker 2: we saw what happened tonight. The difference is they're so

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Speaker 3: You don't know who was gonna be their leading scorer

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Speaker 2: You can bet ninety eight percent of the time their

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Speaker 3: Y'all know what do you have one of the top

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Speaker 1: The way you're analyzing this thing, you wouldn't think you

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Speaker 3: You you really were, and you know, and you know

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Speaker 3: I hate you because of that. When I ain't a

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Speaker 5: I mean that I used to be a Celtic fan,

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Speaker 5: on back home, come on back. No worry about that.

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Speaker 5: And I love Lebron. I think he's done so much

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Speaker 3: Man, And I'm kind.

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Speaker 4: Of like you, I kind of wonder why people hating

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Speaker 3: Say so, that's a whole nother story. And you look

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Speaker 2: The Knixtles Miles Bridge, you played forty five minutes, Og

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Speaker 3: But those guys played heavy minutes.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that more guys didn't play heavy minutes like

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Speaker 4: If he does not put his fingerprint on this series

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Speaker 4: and the two games, hey, honey, giving me a broom instead,

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Speaker 4: I need to give your brother.

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Speaker 3: Way, And I love Josh Hart.

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Speaker 4: The thing I love about him he could have played

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Speaker 4: he's scrappled and against the Celtics, he.

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Speaker 3: And he is a heart and.

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Speaker 4: Soul of what they do emotionally, and they don't get

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Speaker 3: Who else did they gonna get it from?

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Speaker 2: And you know he only had he has six points,

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Speaker 2: It's okay. I can live with that. You got sixteen

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Speaker 2: you know he's a volume guy. Thirteen to twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: He did what he was supposed to do, Jayleen us

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Speaker 2: print six rebounds, that's not nearly enough. One assist, one steel,

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Speaker 2: somewhere around eight to twelve points a game, double digit rebounds,

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Speaker 3: He's that it ain't personal.

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Speaker 1: You add adda on that getting steals make him mixing

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Speaker 4: It's now what you need to do. Oh chill, go

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Speaker 3: Kids is on it. But here's the thing, corn and

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Speaker 3: They only gonna.

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Speaker 2: Play seven guys, eight guys at the max, and you know,

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Speaker 2: and he's gonna get your lob, so you're not running

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Speaker 3: Say, Mitchell, can you give us ten to twelve?

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna run five alley hoops five lobs and

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Speaker 2: I was surprised he played as many minutes as he did.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've never seen a guy as Patrick Fry

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Speaker 3: You're thinking that you don't walk that ball. He's about

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Speaker 4: He can't. And it's smart. And this is what I

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Speaker 3: Yeah they did. And then a key stretch there, Robinson

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Speaker 3: You know what momentum is absolutely money if you either

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Speaker 1: If you don't have it all of a sudden, you

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Speaker 1: I think the Knicks right now are pretty much that well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised that Mitchell Robinson played as many minutes.

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Speaker 2: He played the same amount of minutes as Josh Hart's.

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Speaker 2: He played a one more minute more than Cat Miles

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Speaker 2: And you go look at it, you go look at

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Speaker 2: They played eleven guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean your feet, Yeah, that's that's such bodies,

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Speaker 4: There are about six guys over there on that bench.

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Speaker 4: They scored by as many points as I did tonight.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Saw I'm seeing you up, Saul.

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Speaker 1: She hadn't played before and in the big games, hey

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Speaker 1: look you're stepping up.

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Speaker 3: But then there's some guys in the big games they

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Speaker 3: you what do you think? What do you think, Tims?

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Speaker 1: Does I mean you there's only only five or sixty

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Speaker 1: Does he add allow people to play so you can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tims? Is it like that?

438
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 4: Tims was in Boston with Paul Pierce in that group

439
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 4: and they go with the rotation and he's solid. This

440
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,479
Speaker 4: is the people who got him there, this is what

441
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 4: he's done, and these are the people he's gonna go with.

442
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I'm looking over there that celted

443
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 4: at the roster, and I'm looking at the next and

444
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think right now, I think, why are

445
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 4: some of the those nick you know, old school Claire's

446
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 4: finally on the floor, right, I mean, I look at some.

447
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 3: Of them guys.

448
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, why why is that doing right

449
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 1: there on the floor. Maybe he should get grab one

450
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: of those guys.

451
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 3: My good buddy.

452
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: Bernarkis he could care some parts. But now burnof burnt

453
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 2: Off mees bad. Nah, no, hey, hey Corbraend. You know

454
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 2: burnt Off. These were bad when he was twenty nine thirty,

455
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: you know the shot down in sixty five.

456
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: I saw him walking down the arena. I was like, damn, man,

457
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 3: I go back.

458
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: And I hated him as a player too, but I

459
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: really felt bad when that's the thing thing seeing some

460
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: of the.

461
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 4: Things right now that have happened. But the knicks, they're

462
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 4: gonna have to find a formula or gonna have to

463
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 4: grab one of those guys at the end of the

464
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 4: bench and try to gather spark. Tims is gonna have

465
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 4: to change what he does because what he's doing right

466
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 4: now with the two games you're closed.

467
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 3: Did you guys know close comes in horseshoes and nuclear war.

468
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 3: That's the only the only way of horse clothes comes in.

469
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 4: And I just don't think that this team right now

470
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 4: has enough at the end of the day going in.

471
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 4: It's like when I saw you look at the stat

472
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 4: sheet before we came on. You know, you were looking

473
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 4: down like somebody had just on the statue.

474
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 6: You know, I said, dude, But if you notice look

475
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 6: at the teams that have deep benches, look at OKC.

476
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 3: Look how many people. Look how many people Minnesota play?

477
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: You see Oka see playing ten eleven people, Indiana playing

478
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: ten eleven people.

479
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: You burn them out. Because Tims played those guys.

480
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: Heavy minutes in the regular season, So you can imagine

481
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: now they went they Now they had a short series

482
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: with Boston, but they had a very long theories or

483
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: with Detroit, and they had to play heavy minutes. Even

484
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: though it was a short series, they played heavy minutes.

485
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: And so now they're.

486
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 4: Coming physical, physical minutes. Yes, that's the thing you talk about.

487
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: You add physicality anywhere with long minutes, man, that doubles

488
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 4: the output of what you're talking about, being physical.

489
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: And there's something called ex expectations. So you see the

490
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: Knicks didn't have these expectations when they played Boston. Boston

491
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: was the prohibitive favorite. Now, how does it feel you're

492
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: no longer the hunter, you're the hunted.

493
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, all as they say, when we playing all funny games,

494
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 4: until the damn rabbit gets the damn gun. Yeah, that's

495
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: how it goes out. So I look at this team

496
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: and the Knicks were they played well. Detroit had a

497
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 4: chance to beat them, Boston did at Boston had a

498
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 4: chance to beat them, but they played well enough that

499
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 4: they won. Now, as you said, they are, they are

500
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: the darlings of the city, right, the darlings of the city.

501
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 4: So now the expectations you talk about is on some

502
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 4: of these guys shoulder, and it looks like it might

503
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 4: just be a little heavy match.

504
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: First time going to of the NBA finals and since

505
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: what twenty five and a quarter century or everybody's talking

506
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: about that. Oh man, this might be our chance to

507
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: get our first championship in fifty plus years. Everybody's looking

508
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: at that, and so you're looking You're looking plass ended,

509
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: oh like, and is looking at it like, hell, this

510
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 2: is our first chance to go to the NBA Finals

511
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: in twenty plus years.

512
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: Two we ain't never won one. You're right. I love

513
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: the look on John Stark's face today.

514
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 4: I was like, here, it's just trippled over.

515
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: And these were the same guys and your guy BERNARTI text.

516
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: Me after the game that the Knicks won the first

517
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: two text me say, keep your head up, big fella.

518
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: It'll be.

519
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Rub it rubbing it in, you know, or makes you laugh,

520
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: makes you cry something absolutely well. The all the NBA

521
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: teams were just announced on the first team All NBA,

522
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: Giannis Unto, Takumpo, Shake Gilles, Alexander, Nicola, Jokic, Donovan, Mitchell, Jason,

523
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: Any surprises there.

524
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 3: No, I think those guys.

525
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 4: To me, uh Tatum was great, Shaye was the NB.

526
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: And you can look at Jok's jokis right now maybe

527
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: the best, maybe the best player that one of the

528
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: best players we've seen at that position.

529
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: And no offense. I love Karee, I love Kareem, I

530
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 3: love well.

531
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 4: But when you look at Jokic, his body at work,

532
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 4: what he's saying, he said he's turned into a monster.

533
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 2: I thought you was about to say, maybe he's the

534
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: best player in the game. I can say you could

535
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: drop that, mate, Oh yeah, he is the best player

536
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: now he's working on work, when he's done. The question

537
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: is where do we put it? Because you mentioned, you

538
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: mentioned Shot, you mentioned Russell, you mentioned Will, you mentioned

539
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: Kareem Okay, Elijah on Moses.

540
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: Whatever the case may be.

541
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: I'm his name six guys who many believe are six

542
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: of the best centers they ever played the game, David Robinson,

543
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: whoever the case may be. When it's all said done,

544
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: where are we going to put Nicola?

545
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: This is why I will change it with yok He

546
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: is the best player right now. But what he doesn't do,

547
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 4: he doesn't control the defensive end. What made That's what

548
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 4: made Elijah One to me and I played, the greatest

549
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 4: player ever to play the game is a cheam Olaja one.

550
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: Let me tell you why, because he did it on

551
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: both ends.

552
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 4: Controls his man defensively his man, but a king controlled

553
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: the game on both ends of the floor like nobody

554
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 4: else has ever done both ends. Not one in Russell

555
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 4: controlled it on the defensive bent. Uh, you know, we'll

556
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 4: control it on the offensive bed. You look all the

557
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 4: other but you look at Elijah One. There is nobody

558
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 4: like that. That young African that I played with, that

559
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 4: was I thought he was killing lines.

560
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 3: The way he played, he was. He was.

561
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: He was special. He was he was because like you said,

562
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: he could do it all. He hey to fade away,

563
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: he had to drop step. He had the moves. Oh man,

564
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: hey fake here, and next thing you know, he's dunking

565
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: it over there.

566
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: I mean, and the defensive man.

567
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: But that's right, and then and deep this and that

568
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: he is blocking shots. He's he was leading the league

569
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: in Still he's one of the few guys in the

570
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: NBA history that had a quadruple though.

571
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: You remember the first one they had Tom Brandy, he

572
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: had it and they ended up taking the rebound away

573
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 2: from him, so he didn't get it.

574
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: He came back the next night, two nights later and

575
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 3: got another one. I'm gonna do it, you know what,

576
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 3: take it from me. I'm gonna show you how to

577
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: get it done again. Yeah.

578
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: The second Team All NBA team Jaylen Bronson, Steph Curry,

579
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: and Edwards Lebron, James Evan Mobley. You remember trug Brady.

580
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: The way they used to do it. They used to

581
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: take two guards. They used to take a center and

582
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: a small and a bit. Now they say, if it's positionless,

583
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: you might have five guards be all fer Team all

584
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: the NBA. You might have five bigs be first team

585
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: All NBA. Because if you look, you basically got you

586
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: got three three guards with Brunson, Curry and uh a man,

587
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: and then you get basically got, you know, two forwards

588
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: Lebron and Eman Mobley.

589
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: The game has the game has changed from what I live,

590
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: Uh in my my era, you know, I had one

591
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 4: three for my entire career. I look at Steph Curry, right, now,

592
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 4: Steph Curry as much as I, you know, think about him,

593
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 4: he changed the game.

594
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 3: He has changed the game.

595
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: I talked to his dad and I said, man, yes, son,

596
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: I hate the fact he's changed again. He's destroyed the

597
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: NBA the where and his dad said, you know what,

598
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: there are a lot of shot takers, but not a

599
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: lot of shot maker. And when you think about that boy,

600
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: his quick release he's handling under basketball. I didn't see

601
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: it coming. I asked his dad, and I said, did

602
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: you see him being na good?

603
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: That saidenough? I didn't see this.

604
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: So the second team you picked up, I think you could,

605
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: you know, could easily say that. That followed by chat

606
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 4: Hungary for the guy, I might want to put it

607
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: in there because of the record that Minnesota had, that

608
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: might happen, but they did have another guy to make it.

609
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: Uh the third team All NBA selection with Kay Cunningham.

610
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: Because he was an All NBA selection, he gets another

611
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: forty five million dollars added to his max contract that

612
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: he signed last off season. Ohoe, Tyrese Hallibert, Okay James Harden, Kat,

613
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns, and last but not least, Jaln Williams.

614
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: So Okay, se did have two guys to make the

615
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: All NBA team, and remember lou Dort made the All

616
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Defensive team. So they got three guys that's on that's

617
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: an All NBA selection, Two on basically the offensive side,

618
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: the other two or the other one on the defensive side.

619
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I love about that. But my

620
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: eight is the fact the NBA rules salary caps is

621
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: going to destroy that particular team because you can't keep

622
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: that team together.

623
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no no.

624
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: Okay, see, so you're gonna make it so that you know,

625
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: I love SuperTeams.

626
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: I didn't like the Lakers when they're winning, obviously, but.

627
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 4: I love the Bulls and you know, I love the

628
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: dominant teams like that. But you know, now because you

629
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: have the salary cap structures and the aprons that they

630
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: talk about, OKC is not going.

631
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: To have all those guys. They made it costs prohibited.

632
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: They didn't want any more super teams anymore. Why why

633
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: you love super teams? But they but Corean see, and

634
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: that's what I tell people, see because a lot of

635
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: time they say, oh, Lebron, did I say they were

636
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: always super teams?

637
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: What the hell do you think the Lakers were. What

638
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: do you think the Celtics weren't in the eighties? Bill

639
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: ain't super team?

640
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: You talk about Bird, McHale, Parish djuh or they had

641
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: tiny Archiba.

642
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: One year they had Bill Walton, who was the sixth man.

643
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: I got who I got traded for?

644
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

645
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: Bill Walker? Yeah? Damn that heard her? And you got

646
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: and you got magic?

647
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: Thinking about you got magic, Kareem James Worthy, you got

648
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: Michael Thompson, you got Jamorrow.

649
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: Come on, people, that was a super team.

650
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: See hair as the thing people like if you if

651
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: the if the general manager put a super team together,

652
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: we're okay with that. We don't want the player to say, well,

653
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: you know what I like corn bread? Hey man, I

654
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: like bread too, and ojo, what you think about going

655
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: to join bread over there?

656
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: Such and such? No, they don't like that.

657
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: But if a team, but if the general manager puts

658
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: it together, we got no problem with that.

659
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: Well, how do you feel right now? You're oho phil

660
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: about what happened in Dallas? Dallas goes away, gets Drina Luca.

661
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: That ain't like that, big fella? How does that taste?

662
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: The boy?

663
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Uh get rid of Luca? And then they turn around

664
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: and they get the kid from Duke this team, and

665
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: we're going to be dangerous next year.

666
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: They are if they.

667
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: Can get healthy and you got Kyrie Irvin coming back,

668
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: that team could be really dangerous.

669
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: And to me, what it does is pushes the Lakers

670
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: that much further down. I don't want to see. I want.

671
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: Hey, But let me ask you this. The Mavericks do

672
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: have that first pick. Now, there's gonna be a conversation

673
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: sometime in the coming days between Jannis and Milwaukee's front office.

674
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to part with that number and

675
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: overall draft pick for an opportunity to bring Yiannis and

676
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: pair him with a D and Kyrie when he comes.

677
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: Back by by first round draft choice.

678
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: Look, I don't know what Cooper might do, but I

679
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: know what Jannis is stupid. So if I had a

680
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: chance to do it and reset my program, and if

681
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: you're Milwaukee, you know you're gonna lose Jannis, Yeah, I

682
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: go out, I make that trade, I grab some pieces,

683
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: and I get ready for the future.

684
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: But you know in that case.

685
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I make that deal all day because we know

686
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: what Yianniss can't we doing. He's a proven Prather Shannon,

687
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: Oh Joe that's what he is. He's a he's not

688
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: he's not a bus rider. He's a damn bus driver.

689
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: And that happened.

690
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Hold on, right, I got a question for you. Let's

691
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: say they get rid of a Cooper flag. Right, let us

692
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: go to the bucks. Did Giannas come in and automatic, automatically,

693
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: automatically make the MAVs a championship contender?

694
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

695
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: I think yeah, yeah, because one thing he's gonna bring

696
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: in that physicality.

697
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: That's something that the MAVs have not.

698
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: So you say you get if you get him, you

699
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: get Anthony Davis, and you get Caybrie.

700
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: Those guys healthy and put together, being all day.

701
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: I'll look at the maths right now, and and I

702
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: don't come and hear anybody that noise him. I said, fire, Nico, fire, good, exactly, good.

703
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: Job, Nico.

704
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: Here's a question I have to ask you, since you

705
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: you know you you're a pretty physical guy. What what

706
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: are you gonna go ahead and grab the guy who

707
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: came to LA and take him out and run him

708
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: up and down the beach.

709
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: You're gonna go out and grab you saw you saw it.

710
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: He's been in him. He eat his wife preparing good

711
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: meals for him. You see that. Yeah, he's be his body.

712
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: He's starting to look good.

713
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: You can you know what, you can prepare the meal.

714
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: But Oliver Miller when he played down in Phoenix, there

715
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: you go, and then he was running the fight.

716
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: He had a ball boy going getting them hamburgers. So

717
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: until I see, until I see him, until I see

718
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: him in that position, Luca, you know he.

719
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: Has to be in shape.

720
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 4: And I would eat and look, he's around the place

721
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 4: where you're gonna get in shape. And the stars, the bodies,

722
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: Lebron James, the best we've seen.

723
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: Right now staying in shape. You're there.

724
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I grab one of you guys right now,

725
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 4: said man, I give you a million dollars, just take

726
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: me on a program and regiment to get my body

727
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: in shape.

728
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: I got you, Okay, okay.

729
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: But you know the thing, Corbra, and I tell people

730
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: this all the time, It's easy to get in shape

731
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: in the off season. It's like it's in a basketball player.

732
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: It's getting in late at night, at three o'clock in

733
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: the morning and making the right decisions.

734
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna eat no pizza. I'm not gonna eat

735
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: nothing fast food. I'm not gonna eat anything processed. So

736
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: that's the problem that the gods have.

737
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: They get off their game and they grab chicken and

738
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: it's not baked or it's not you know, it's not roasted.

739
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: Share and that's that's not true. That's not true. I

740
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 4: hate the bunch of bubble.

741
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: But now they have meals prepared for them after they

742
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: don't want that.

743
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: No, a lot of them eating.

744
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: A lot of them come off the we a lot

745
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: of them come in on the bus and they have

746
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: meals which you're prepared for.

747
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: So the guys don't eat like we did during the eighties.

748
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty four, getting ready to play the Lakers, I

749
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: had a big Mac, a supersize my fried, a large

750
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: orange soda.

751
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: And this is before the damn game. So that's how

752
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 4: we ate during that time. Players have an opportunity.

753
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: It was I look at these guys now, they have

754
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: they have a chef in the morning, they have dinner,

755
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: they have lunch, cook form, they have dinner after the game.

756
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even know why they get pretty him.

757
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: I mean, to me, is amazing the way and I

758
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: love it. I'm not joiced to though. I love the

759
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 4: way our players are being taken care of.

760
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: Oh, Joe, we had this conversation. Think about it.

761
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: In the NFL, they get breakfast prepared for him, they

762
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: get much prepared for him, and they get dinner prepared

763
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: after they watch after their meeting and to take home

764
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: with them. How can you be out of shape? And

765
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: with all that state of the art equipment they got.

766
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: They got fifthy old, they got massages, therapist, they got cryo,

767
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: they got an infrared corporate, they got every I'm talking

768
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: about state. When I say state of the art, I'm

769
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: talking about fifty and seventy five one hundred million dollar facilities.

770
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: There's no reason hold on.

771
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: But you know, know everything you just said, cor On

772
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Brad to them everything I'm just said. They have a

773
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: state of arder everything. They have everything that they need

774
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: at their backing call. But for some reason, I don't

775
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: know why, more injuries. Injuries are more prevalent today. Everyone's

776
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: seen getting hurt. Corn Bread.

777
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: I remember back in the day, and matter of fact,

778
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: I'm not too far from you.

779
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: Back in the day, he used to play outside when

780
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: he was young and go in the house and get

781
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: your let ask water doing the summer. No, what's your

782
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: what's your grandmad your mama told you go drink the

783
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: water holes on the side of the house.

784
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, getting hurt right then.

785
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: I don't understand what the problem old school and I

786
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 4: and and here's the thing. I look at the Boston

787
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: Sells have one of the best players around be Jason Tatum.

788
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 4: The thing I felt like Jay said Tatum got hurt.

789
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 4: It wasn't because he didn't train hard enough. I just

790
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: think he played too much basketball. He played during the Olympics,

791
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: he played during the Championship. And here's my true belief.

792
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: If you don't rest your body, your body's gonna rest

793
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: you and I and and you have the you've seen

794
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: it before when when you and I played. I know

795
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 4: when I played during the eighties, when we got through

796
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: playing the boys who tell us, man, take three months off,

797
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: don't do it? We tell you now, these guys go

798
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: year round and uncle and the old show. I tell you,

799
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 4: this is what I hate.

800
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that they damn changing jerseys and

801
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: laughing at each other jerseys walk.

802
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: I hate that. Oh my god, I hate that. I

803
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: hate that. There's nothing I hate more than that.

804
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: Nineteen eight, nineteen eighty three, we're playing uh uh, we're

805
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: playing the seventy sixths in the exhibition game in Knoxville, Tennessee.

806
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: We went and we won the game. We went and

807
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: got in the restaurant. We went there and ate the

808
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: seventy sixers got there after us. They saw that we

809
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: were there. They hated us up bad. They left the

810
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: damn restaurant. Didn't need That's how I just thought they were.

811
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: And yeah, because they one y'all have this had y'all

812
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: down three to one, and y'all came back.

813
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 3: You remember that player, they remember Belling.

814
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: We did Washington.

815
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: This is how it goes on like this.

816
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: They did they I thought the I thought the boss

817
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: and Strangler Andrew toldy I thought he.

818
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: I thought. I thought they had y'all. I thought they

819
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: had you bring you he was. He was absolutely a beast. Yeah,

820
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: And I talked.

821
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 4: To I was talking to a couple of the seventy sixers,

822
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: guys mo chicks in particularly. He said, Man, I've never

823
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 4: played in a more physical series than we had. They're

824
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: in the eighties and those were just great series that

825
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 4: if you go back and you to them, these games

826
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 4: won by everyone, was won by one or two points,

827
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: two points. The last last five games we played the

828
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: separation was about six points, So yeah, there were physical games.

829
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: I understand it's a different era and I love these guys,

830
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: but man, the money that these guys make, now, it

831
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 4: shouldn't it shouldn't it should be no issue.

832
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I've ever seen this before.

833
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: You had four unanimous selections on the All NBA team.

834
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: Giannis was a unanimous he got one hundred first place votes,

835
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: Shaye was a unanimous one hundred first place vote, Nikola

836
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: Jokic one hundred first place votes, Jason Tatum one hundred

837
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: first place votes.

838
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, core man, somebody got have some balls and

839
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: break away from that. Please, ain't nobody could go one

840
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: hundred percent? Shannon, you're old toel No, ain't nobody go

841
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of nothing? Come on, ask your question,

842
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: ask your question? What power forward you giving a vote

843
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: and taking it from your honest? What guard you taking

844
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: a vote from and giving it?

845
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 3: What guard you? What shade?

846
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: You're taking a vote from shade and giving it to

847
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: somebody else? Okay, what big are you taking a vote

848
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: from NICOLEA. Jokic and giving him to JT? You know

849
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: when when when you're right? And Dann Shannon you right.

850
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: That's all. I can't argue with you. I take a

851
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: sip of the suler you're you're right. I can't larn

852
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: you with that. Those are points with your ballot.

853
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: But I think so it's just hard for me to

854
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: see a guy get a one hundred percent of anything

855
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: you're not.

856
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 3: People say this thing like, you know what, I work

857
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 3: one hundred and ten percent. Can't work a hundred ten percent.

858
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 4: Can't do it. That's all you get. But that's all

859
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: you got, one hundred percent. No, oh, you worked down,

860
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: that's it.

861
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum was named All NBA First Team for the

862
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: fourth straight year. Corn Bread doesn't look like it's gonna

863
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: be a fifth consecutive year because he's not going to

864
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: He went to the same surgeon that did Kevin Durants. Now,

865
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: if you remember Kevin Durant, it happened in June of

866
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. Kevin Durant, you know, twenty nineteen rolls around,

867
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't play it. Twenty twenty rolls around, they go

868
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: into the bubble, he doesn't play. So he took off

869
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: a total Look, if I'm not mistaken about eighteen months now,

870
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Jason Tatum's gonna take off that amount

871
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: of time. But if you look at Kevin Durant, if

872
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: somebody didn't tell you he has suffered a tornt Achilles,

873
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know it because he picked right back up

874
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: well he left off.

875
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, But here's the difference. Okay,

876
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: One is age.

877
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum is twenty five, twenty six, twenty six. When

878
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: what happened when you think of Kevin when they heard

879
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: that he was almost thirty something, he was nine third.

880
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: I always said as a broadcast, I see guys fall

881
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 4: down when they're in the twenties. I said, oh, he hurt,

882
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 4: and damn bumus ain't even gonna form yea his muscle. Still,

883
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: I think tatum Is recovery will probably be easier because

884
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: he's a.

885
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: Yacht lot younger and he doesn't have this many miles.

886
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: But like you, I don't I don't foresee him coming back,

887
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 4: you know, for this coming year, because I think that

888
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: if you look at this team, Pratt Stevens has some

889
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 4: opportunity right now to reset, and he's gonna have three

890
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: sets because of the salary structure.

891
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's going to be first s

892
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: ra Vegas ain't coming back. That's one not coming back.

893
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you go.

894
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: You know that.

895
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: I know that you got Now the question is are

896
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: you bringing Derrick White and Holiday back because they both

897
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: got big salaries.

898
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do with Al Horford?

899
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 2: Okay, you're probably gonna keep j JB because you're gonna

900
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: be without j T. But I'm not so sure that

901
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: when j JT comes back. It's hard having two players

902
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: making three hundred men.

903
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 4: JB is a great player. Yeah, but what happened to Giannis?

904
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: This what happened this year? Went with Luca?

905
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 3: This year? All best of off? Now, I totally a Bee.

906
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: Anybody can be moved in this league now, you know,

907
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: don't get too stuck up on being around you might

908
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: be moved. So in Brad Stevens because he's gonna have

909
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: the flexibility of when he won a championship.

910
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 4: Joe Miszula is a great coach. Can Joe Missoula have

911
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: team right now that is going to probably struggle a

912
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: little bit coming out of the gate because you don't

913
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: have that great player. So I think it's going to

914
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: be a total reset. I believe it's gonna be a

915
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: face slip for the Celtics. And then on top of that,

916
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 4: you have a new, a new, new, new regime, and

917
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: you know that the uh he he paid six six

918
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 4: billion dollars for this six point one.

919
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I me, I know that's chicken change you

920
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: and your brothers. But for me, Yeah, I know. That's

921
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: why I can't.

922
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: I can't find a dollar and I can't kill one. Hey, Bret,

923
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: I take the I take the point one. You keep

924
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: it seeing this, give me the point one? Oh Joe,

925
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be happy with that. Hey, but I

926
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: think the thing is what the teams this Luca trade.

927
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: It tells me.

928
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: I don't know what it tells you, O Joe, I'll

929
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: be interested to hear what you and Bread think is

930
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: that team Like, we're not going to let y'all do the

931
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: great players hold us hostage. We'll move your ass because

932
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: y'all had too much power. I mean, don't get me wrong,

933
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: superstars had some power. They've never had the kind of

934
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: control that these guys got. I heard Bird talking Bird say,

935
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: they didn't run nothing about me. Hey, I just hey,

936
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: I go in the locker room. But I got a

937
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: new teammate. They ain't asked me that, hold on, that's

938
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: a lie. I get it out of it and get

939
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: it out about ya.

940
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: I love Larry, but when I got traded in nineteen

941
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: eighty five eighty six for Bill Walton, they ran that

942
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: by Larry and he signed up on that and he

943
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: signed off on.

944
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: Ah.

945
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: I'm not believing. You're saying a lot of stuff, but players.

946
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 4: Players didn't have a little bit of power, but now

947
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 4: they have so much more because they are a commodity.

948
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 4: They are Yes, this is this is a fortune five

949
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: hundred when you get one guy right now. So I

950
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: mean their ability to control games, to manipulate teams, teams.

951
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: Been over backwards. You know, you're on the road right now.

952
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: You know when I was in the NBA, we had

953
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: to wash our own road uniforms my first couple of years.

954
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so look, yeah, well you know what Charles

955
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 2: Barkley said that, Yeah, guys will go on a two

956
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: week road trip.

957
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: And there was some guys who were so nasty they

958
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't even watch the uniform.

959
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: You were granted that uniform and you could throw up

960
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: and throw it out in the and it was stand

961
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: up by stand up.

962
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 4: I seen him like that. He's like you ain't gon

963
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: why would you want to guard that smelly guy right there? So,

964
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 4: I mean it was a different time. I appreciate what

965
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 4: the teams are doing. I appreciate the players. They are

966
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 4: tremendous athletes. But I tell you what I would I'd

967
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: be hard pressed to find some guys right now as.

968
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: You talk about and on all that smoke. They don't

969
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: want these They they ain't looking at it. They come

970
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: in and they talk a lot, but there are any of

971
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: those guys.

972
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: But see back then, a you could be talking all

973
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: kind of crazy if somebody they swing on you back

974
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: at it. But you know, back then you wasn't getting

975
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: five or fifteen hundred. Now they put a fine on you.

976
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: Now you might lose a million, two million dollar corporated.

977
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: The guy's like dogs, what what what's a million dollars?

978
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: You a guy making a seventy eight million dollars.

979
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 3: I ain't giving away no money. I know you, I

980
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: know you're.

981
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: Not, But I'm just talking the way the league is now.

982
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 4: How many times we seen Draymond get Draymond get fired.

983
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: He's been fined over a couple of million dollars, a

984
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: million he's giving money back. So so guys aren't afraid

985
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: now when you're talking about that money.

986
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: But now them think, no guys want to fight, O Joe.

987
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: I don't. Don't nobody I want to fight no more.

988
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody Because we.

989
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: Saw we saw Shannon. We saw Shannon at the Laker game.

990
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: I think, there you go, there you go. I ain't

991
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: want no smoke. I ain't want no smoke. You you

992
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 1: would know when you walk, when you take a foot

993
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: on the floor, it's punting to a guy.

994
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: O Joe, come on, now you look, I'm looked down.

995
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, I ain't on the court. I make sure

996
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: I want on the court. I ain't do I ain't

997
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: do a halit, daddy did I ain't run up on

998
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: the court.

999
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 3: Nobody. You know what I'm saying. Oh, ask you a question.

1000
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: O Joe didn't even want something. That smoke.

1001
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: He want that smoke by smoke was coming out of

1002
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: his ears, going ready.

1003
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: You do look out.

1004
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: I was dressed though, joke better had a four thousand

1005
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: dollars car to get old. I was, you know, I

1006
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: was like, I want nothing. Well you had what you know,

1007
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: a little cardigan, little sub I had, Oh you know.

1008
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 4: Okay, Well he well you know what, y your your

1009
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: grandma's flipping right now and up in heaven talking other

1010
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 4: four thousand. You talked so many stories about how much

1011
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: money you guys didn't have, and now you're talking about

1012
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: you are.

1013
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: Head a cardigan for four Yeah, hey, hey corporate, you're

1014
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: from the South.

1015
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: You know what money? Money wasn't plowing like it is now.

1016
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: Couldn't couldn't do it at all.

1017
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: My my father would grab my grab my father would

1018
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: give me a dollar, and he asked me next week,

1019
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: didn't I give a dollar last week?

1020
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think that dollar's gonna last. So it is

1021
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 3: a different thing.

1022
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, car Bret, tell me how

1023
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: the presson you think this is. Lebron James made his

1024
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: twenty first All NBA team at the age of forty,

1025
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 2: and this is what he tweeted. He said, All NBA

1026
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: at forty little key crazy to me right now, sitting

1027
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: here watching the playoffs and just thinking of it left beyond,

1028
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. You're impressient.

1029
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: You do you think we'll feel another player like Lebron?

1030
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: No, no, no, not not because the genetics, the circumstances.

1031
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: All the stuff, the will to win, the work, affic.

1032
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: That's what that's what makes him to me, the goat

1033
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 4: when I started thinking about, oh, I know, you turn

1034
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 4: your head when.

1035
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: I said that. The only reason I.

1036
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: Say that is because of what he's done over this

1037
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 4: full period of time, the number of points. Everybody talks

1038
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 4: about his losses and the playoffs, Well he got there,

1039
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: don't don't.

1040
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 3: Don't forget this wrong.

1041
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 4: But Michael Jordan his first couple of years got swept swell,

1042
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: didn't win, didn't win the game. So I think that

1043
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: the Goat conversation to me is really different. But I

1044
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: am a huge fan of who Lebron is and what

1045
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: he's done on and off the court. But at this

1046
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 4: age right now, to be relevant in the n B

1047
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 4: A to just be damn, it's.

1048
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: All right away, just crazy, all right. This is what

1049
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: Mike Wilbon had to say earlier. We know who Mike

1050
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 2: wilbonn is. He says, I'm not going to sit here

1051
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: and say that Lebron James has to be considered better

1052
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: than Magic Johnson. That's garbage. I'm not going to say

1053
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: Lebron James has to be considered better than Bill Russell.

1054
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: That's garbage. I'm not going to sit here and say

1055
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: Lebron James has to be considered better than Kobe Bryant.

1056
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 2: That's garbage. Lebron James is one of the greatest players

1057
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: of all time in all team sports. I'm sorry. If

1058
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: that's not good enough, turn the page, get over yourself.

1059
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: In other words, I'm not going to proclaim and support

1060
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: and wave Lebron James flag for greatness. But if I

1061
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: say he's less than number two, that's not good enough

1062
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: for you. To hell with you? What I mean, if

1063
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: you're not gonna say so, why would you say he

1064
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: number two? If you're not gonna say he the greatest,

1065
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: if you're not gonna say he's better than those guys

1066
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: that you mentioned, why would you even say anything about

1067
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: him being number two?

1068
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think that people like to say

1069
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 4: because you're in the conversation. Maybe one of the best

1070
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: points I think I've ever heard when you did your

1071
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame speech, when you talked about you know

1072
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: your brother right and and that, and I'm not a

1073
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 4: cheerful person, and I don't like you. I didn't like

1074
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 4: you that way. But when you said that I am

1075
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: not the greatest player in my household, that to Lee

1076
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 4: told me who you were as a person because of Mike,

1077
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 4: because of what Lebron changed done, the way he's been

1078
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: brought up.

1079
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: You know, mother or mother doesn't know his father, what

1080
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 3: he's done, how he's educated himself.

1081
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: I look at the totality of who that man is

1082
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: and when he's done.

1083
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: On the basketball horizon.

1084
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: He's playing the guys right now, who's playing with whod

1085
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: he's twenty twenty five years older day?

1086
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we ain't gonna say years day, daddy, but

1087
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: we just.

1088
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: Going with the DNA just might be out there one day,

1089
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: who knows.

1090
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: Hey.

1091
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: You know it's funny though, Uncle corn read when you

1092
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: think about it. I think about the conversation when it

1093
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: comes to the greats, when it comes to sports, two

1094
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: greats like this in basketball, you talk about football, you

1095
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: come to the greats, you talk about Tom Brady's and

1096
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: your Steve Young's and your past Ma homes.

1097
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: The Jordan Lebron conversation to me is one that will

1098
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 3: never end. Nope.

1099
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: That's based on preference on who someone likes. And I

1100
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: think the conversation in itself is something that will continue

1101
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: to go.

1102
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: On and on and on.

1103
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: It will have a never ending story because there's so

1104
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: many barrierals that go into it and what people to

1105
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: them makes that individual their goal. Yeah, it's like one

1106
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: of those things that I personally would stay away from

1107
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: because it's never in debate when it's like three things

1108
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: that I've always stayed away from when it comes to

1109
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: being on a certain platform or any platform for that matter,

1110
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: because it's never ending.

1111
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 3: Race, religion, politics, and politics.

1112
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: It's never ending, and it can go on and on

1113
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: and depending on who you talk to, he could be

1114
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: there for twenty four hours because they will always be

1115
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: something to discuss and something something to talk about. And

1116
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: that that that the broad that Lebron joined debate managed.

1117
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: It's just one that just but here you never see

1118
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: the light of day here.

1119
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 4: Here's the beauty about that that he's in the conversation.

1120
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 3: That he's in the conversation.

1121
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: If you're one of the top one of the top

1122
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: five players that ever to play the game.

1123
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: Period, that's enough for me. I don't need no more

1124
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: than that. You don't need to have the best.

1125
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 4: No, he's one of the top guys that ever lace

1126
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 4: his shoes up.

1127
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: Although he although he is the Laker now and I

1128
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: hate him because of that.

1129
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 4: I hate him Because of that, I still respect him

1130
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 4: because just like Magic Jos, I don't like Magic, but

1131
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 4: I respect him for what he's done for, you know,

1132
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 4: the people in the black people in the communities, what

1133
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: he's done for the people at age or aren't you

1134
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: but dours, all that stuff.

1135
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: I respect him for that.

1136
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: Now, if he if I would do this, if I

1137
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't give him, I wouldn't give him a glass, if

1138
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: if he was on fire, wouldn't put the going on,

1139
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: I drink it.

1140
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: Because that's hate that dude.

1141
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: I just say to say, you look, it's easy to

1142
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: say that because I think Michael, I think will Bond

1143
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: does have a great relationship with Jordan's because I've heard

1144
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: him have other takes on other being the greatest when

1145
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: he talks about boxing and he talks about ali and

1146
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: the other sports that he said that he feels very

1147
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: comfortable saying this, but it just so happens this discussion

1148
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: that he's not gonna say that's his boy. Come on,

1149
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm just say it because I've heard him have other

1150
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: discussions like where he had no talk with.

1151
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 3: Michael Wilbourn, But that's his boy. Mike is his boy.

1152
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: Mike and Chicago, Mike Michael, Well, boy in Chicago. You

1153
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 3: can't go against that man, And I get it. Yeah,

1154
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 3: say that. Yeah, just because a lot of time when

1155
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 3: people ask me a question a little better than I'm biased. Yeah.

1156
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: I played with y'all anyway, So I y'all want me

1157
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: to say no, come on now, my brother, I'm in

1158
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: certain situations I'm biased. I'm not gonna be able to

1159
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: I can't separate it. Most of the time I can't.

1160
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: I can be objected, but in this situation, when I'm

1161
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 2: talking about a family or something like that, I'm biased.

1162
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 3: No, I can't separate it.

1163
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 4: I walked in the room my first year, my second

1164
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 4: in the league. I was averaging eighteen and ten. There

1165
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 4: was a white guy that came on the court for

1166
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 4: our first practice, and I gave him a clap like this.

1167
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: Great white hope and it was Larry Joe Bird. Uh huh.

1168
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what.

1169
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 4: By the time that practice said, I went to the

1170
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 4: first black person I could see. I say, you know

1171
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 4: what a damn white guy can play down there. So

1172
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 4: I I learned to think, you don't judge your book

1173
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: by company. You really don't.

1174
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: And you know, God's the funny God, God doesn't give

1175
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: me one, but God gives me the two best white

1176
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: players ever to play together in Birds and Michael and

1177
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: I dare say I might have the best.

1178
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 3: White team ever.

1179
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 4: When I think about if I got those two and

1180
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 4: I put Cablet Check in there, I put Dave Cowen's

1181
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 4: in there, I put Pep Marybage in there, all white teeth.

1182
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 4: I got it. I got it down hands pat in basketball.

1183
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 4: So I was prejudiced as a player, But my god,

1184
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 4: those guys can play the game at a high level.

1185
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 3: You want to talk about this.

1186
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: Michael Beesby also chimed in on the Jordan Lebron debate.

1187
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: With Jordan, they don't talk about negativity. What will Lebron?

1188
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: We watch it's good, it's bad. We watch his ups

1189
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: is downs, and he's been so great. We don't have

1190
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: anything else to say, so we talk about his son. Well,

1191
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: here's the thing. During this era, there wasn't social media

1192
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: like it is now that you know you and you

1193
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: and you know how social media is.

1194
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: Okay, absolutely, I'm all over the paper social media either

1195
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: never read about some of the things that some of

1196
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: the people have done and said a social media has

1197
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: changed the landscape for any ath laid out and if

1198
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: you don't understand that, then you're a fool out there.

1199
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 3: I said that.

1200
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: I mean Jermezola said, I want to insulate Jason Tatum.

1201
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 4: I said, Joe, you ken, he said what I said.

1202
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 4: Because of social media. That man got five six seven leadion.

1203
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: People following him every time he's doing every commercial out there,

1204
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: God blesson.

1205
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 3: But you cannot have the good without the back and

1206
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: the fourth.

1207
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 4: On it because social media is so big now, it

1208
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 4: absolutely is.

1209
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: And Jordan has said it but saying he don't know

1210
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: how he could have handled social media because think about

1211
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: how he's done. You know, how he's been able to

1212
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: despoke this life now, he's been in a bubble from

1213
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: the first eighty four. I mean, he doesn't know what

1214
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: it's like to have a normal life. He can't go anywhere.

1215
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: He can't go to the movies. He had written the

1216
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: whole movie Thaate out. He can't go to the he

1217
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: couldn't take his kids to the skating rink. He had

1218
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: writ the whole skating rink out. So Lebron is the

1219
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: same way. I mean, Lebron moves a little bit more

1220
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: freely than Jordans. I mean, because you really never saw

1221
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: Jordan at advance, like like what you see Lebron going

1222
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: to a high school basketball game or pulling up at

1223
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: a college game. It's just so hard for him for

1224
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: to be I wouldn't I wouldn't want to le Bron.

1225
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: Lebron loves the social media.

1226
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: He dictates any acts in a way that he is

1227
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: able to orchan strain some of the things with the

1228
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: social media that doesn't.

1229
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 3: Happen when you talk about Lebron, when you talk about

1230
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: what happened on with Jordan.

1231
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: Jordan was looked at as this guy and from then

1232
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 4: on he didn't worry about it.

1233
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: You said, then, and then you saw how he was exposed.

1234
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 4: When it was the last dayance, I had my parents

1235
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: on my podcast, he said, he said, let me tell

1236
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 4: you right now.

1237
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: He said, Michael Jordan's a damn brilling.

1238
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 4: He said, we played him and I was on his

1239
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: team that time, and we beat him.

1240
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: And then after the game, he said, there were locker room.

1241
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 4: He said, Michael was standing there and he said, Michael

1242
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 4: hyen like the mask kickers. We gave it that and

1243
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 4: Michael said, if you keep talking, our kick your ass.

1244
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: Well, my buddy Rob Robert Parris said, look you and

1245
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: nobody else said.

1246
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 4: Robert walked up to me and said, you know what,

1247
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 4: I got rings already before I got here. So there

1248
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 4: was some exposure to who Michael Jordan was as a player.

1249
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: I admire him.

1250
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 4: He's from Love, Carolina, from Wilmington, right down the street

1251
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 4: from my hometown to Kenston.

1252
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: I understand who he is.

1253
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: But nobody would have ever thought that we would have

1254
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: had a guy that would become that big, that big

1255
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: in basketball.

1256
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 3: And I played with the Birds that played with magic.

1257
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: But none of those guys will ever ranked what Jordan

1258
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 4: has done a standpoint of being on that route Mount Rushmore,

1259
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 4: except maybe Lebron Jente.

1260
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: The shoe because Corn Brad.

1261
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: You remember, like gods had shoes like mos Malone and

1262
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: ice Man, they weren't Nike. Nike wasn't that big back

1263
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: in the late seventies early eighties until Jordan took it

1264
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: over and then you had to wear is the cons

1265
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: bird water CONSU, magic water cons. Doctor j made the

1266
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: corn really famous. But when they retired, okay, the shoot

1267
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: went away. He ain't nobody wasn't nobody else rocking the

1268
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: weapons and the Jordan and the Birds and the magic.

1269
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: But Jordan Jordan and drove the basketball in twenty five years. Yeah,

1270
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: and he's still got the number one selling Shoot you.

1271
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 4: Right about that? And people say that right now by

1272
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 4: this his ex wife Janeda, How the hell do you

1273
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 4: try to go date her when you're walking up in

1274
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 4: his shoes?

1275
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: Hey? Baby, whoa what you got on your shoes up

1276
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 3: to come?

1277
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 4: Before you come here? So man, you guys, you know what.

1278
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 4: Let me tell you this before I go. You guys

1279
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 4: have been brilliant. I am so appreciative of being on

1280
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 4: your show. Can't wait to come.

1281
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: Back and thank you.

1282
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: I see when I see you two young black men

1283
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: working and doing what you've done. Man to me, I

1284
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 4: just loove you. You're young black, get brilliant. He and

1285
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 4: I always remember who you are and that's why I

1286
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 4: love both you guys.

1287
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 3: So Corl bred I appreciate that. Man. Thanks for coming on.

1288
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: And you get a look when you get another moment

1289
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: to stop back by, because probably when you come back by,

1290
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: the Lakers probably be happy. Hey, oh Joe, we spent

1291
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes trying to get him sit up with

1292
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: the camera talking to him and his wife talking through it.

1293
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: So he had his camera on. He been on there

1294
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: for like an hour. He wait, so he been there

1295
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: for an hour. That was corn bred. Max Well the

1296
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one Finals MVP over the Houston Rockets when

1297
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: they had Moses Malone on that team. I'm trying to

1298
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: think of all the players that they had on that team.

1299
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: I think they had who else was on that team?

1300
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 3: Moses Malone? I'm trying to think. I don't think Rodney

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Speaker 3: McCrae was on that team yet.

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Speaker 2: I think that he was on the eighty sixteen, but uh,

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Speaker 2: the Celtics beat them in six games. But uh, it

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Speaker 2: was great to have corn bread on. Man, I I

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Speaker 2: know you, Like I said, I used to follow the

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Speaker 2: Boston Celtics.

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Speaker 3: That was my team.

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Speaker 2: Ladd Bird was my guy, and uh, it was great

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Speaker 2: to have cornbread on. So cornbread when you get a chance,

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Speaker 2: start back by the volume