Speaker 1: I Am all In.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's you.
Speaker 3: I Am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one
Speaker 1: of other productions iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart Podcast. One on
Speaker 1: one interview with none other than Cameron Bender and he
Speaker 1: played the ta in season seven, episode fourteen. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. A little bit about Cameron. He was
Speaker 1: in one episode of Gilmore Girls. He portrayed the tear
Speaker 1: tuck Tucker Colbertson, who filled in for Richard's economics class
Speaker 1: at Yale when Richard was in the hospital. Here's a
Speaker 1: little something about Cameron. He's an actor. He worked in
Speaker 1: television for most of his Career's career began in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands with credits on Buffy the Vampire Slayers
Speaker 1: Sabrina the Teenager, which popular CSI crime scene investigation. He
Speaker 1: continued to work on TV, appearing in Ritzolian Isles, American Housewives,
Speaker 1: That did ten episodes of the ABC show Mistress, and
Speaker 1: more recently on an episode of Fuller House. In an
Speaker 1: episode of the sx FX show Min's MC, you were
Speaker 1: a badass biker? Oh wow, No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2: No, I was an ATF agent.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Oh yeah, all right, square tell us how you
Speaker 1: got the role on Gilbour Girls.
Speaker 2: How I got the role on Gilmore Girls. Well, first of.
Speaker 4: All, his name is Tucker Culbertson, and I'm actually shocked
Speaker 4: that I got this part on Gilmore Girls because obviously
Speaker 4: the most important thing about the show, well not the
Speaker 4: most important thing, but one of the great things about
Speaker 4: the show is everyone speaks very clearly and distinctly, and
Speaker 4: it's just rapid, rap it, rapid. That's my biggest weakness
Speaker 4: is speaking clearly. And so I came in and I
Speaker 4: can't believe I actually got the part because in the
Speaker 4: in the callback, I said, Tucker Colbertson, who came up
Speaker 4: with that name? I think I said it kind of
Speaker 4: like that whoever came up with the name was in
Speaker 4: the room, because everything got really quiet and cold, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, you know that that moment where
Speaker 4: you were like I should just leave.
Speaker 1: That was I do know that moment.
Speaker 4: But I did it anyway, and for some reason, they
Speaker 4: they they hired me.
Speaker 1: So I was fucky, Well, you made an indelible impression
Speaker 1: on h On Rory, that is for sure. So we
Speaker 1: meet you at Yale. Yes, you're filling in for Richard's
Speaker 1: econ class. Yes, the roy is taken by your looks
Speaker 1: and charm.
Speaker 2: That's about Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what was it like playing the role? Do you
Speaker 1: enjoy it? Oh?
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 4: I loved it, But I do have to throw out
Speaker 4: a little story beforehand, before before filming. Well no, I
Speaker 4: guess this was actually after filming, but before they aired it.
Speaker 4: But they took this picture of me, a still of
Speaker 4: me on set, and it's the one they used on
Speaker 4: IMDb for the episode. That's a picture of me. It's
Speaker 4: not a great picture. It's not very flattering. And I
Speaker 4: wandered onto a message board.
Speaker 2: This is pre Reddit.
Speaker 4: This is pre like a bunch of Internet was the
Speaker 4: Internet was the Internet, but it wasn't like their Facebook
Speaker 4: wasn't around yet, and they had that picture up to
Speaker 4: like promote the episode, and everyone on the on the
Speaker 4: message board said, this guy is ugly.
Speaker 2: What's happening?
Speaker 4: What like the alien? And I and so I chimed in,
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is not a great picture. He is
Speaker 4: pretty ugly in this picture, but to be fair, it's
Speaker 4: me and I think I film better maybe in motion, Like,
Speaker 4: please watch the episode it's amazing. Alexis is amazing. It's
Speaker 4: a really, really, really great episode. So I didn't take
Speaker 4: it personally because how would they know that. I was
Speaker 4: like lurking, and I don't get that.
Speaker 1: I felt. I mean, obviously, you're not ugly, you're a
Speaker 1: You're an attractive young fella.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Enough enough that Rory was interested. But yeah, yeah, I mean, so.
Speaker 1: What was it like working with Alexis because those scenes
Speaker 1: were really terrifically played.
Speaker 2: On Oh thank you.
Speaker 4: She was such a delight, Like, I'm sure you've worked
Speaker 4: on shows where the ones and two's aren't always welcoming,
Speaker 4: or maybe this was the seventh season the episode that
Speaker 4: I was, and by that time, sometimes they're just tired
Speaker 4: of being there.
Speaker 1: It's so true. Yes, it's the exhaustion of.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of like, oh, another new guy to
Speaker 4: come in. Nice, It's like, okay, yet another person that's
Speaker 4: not going to be here for a day. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to expend any energy. She couldn't have been more
Speaker 4: opposite of that.
Speaker 1: She was so.
Speaker 4: Kind and welcoming and right away wanting to know if
Speaker 4: I wanted to run it a couple of times, and
Speaker 4: so that was the first day like when we meet
Speaker 4: in the classroom.
Speaker 2: The second day, when we meet in the in the.
Speaker 4: Bookshop, she was even more Like I felt even more
Speaker 4: a part of the family. That was the number one
Speaker 4: thing that I felt coming down to this set. And
Speaker 4: like I said, being on other sets where I'm just
Speaker 4: a day player, you know, it's it's just one day
Speaker 4: on there and there. There's one in particular, and I'm
Speaker 4: not naming any names, but the one. I had a
Speaker 4: scene with both one and two, and the one was awesome,
Speaker 4: and when we were doing light checks or moving the camera,
Speaker 4: they were talking to me about Pixar movies and we
Speaker 4: were just like making small talk and she made me.
Speaker 2: Feel really comfortable.
Speaker 4: But the one, I'm sorry, but the two didn't want
Speaker 4: me talking in between takes. They had a different process.
Speaker 4: It's there, it's their show. But this was probably seven
Speaker 4: or eight on their number season of them, and they
Speaker 4: didn't want they didn't you know, they didn't welcome me there.
Speaker 4: So I just shut up and kind of did my job.
Speaker 4: But with Alexus, totally different. She was just a delight.
Speaker 4: It was really really fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's different on different shows. I know what
Speaker 1: you mean. I've been through that too. Yeah where you
Speaker 1: know where, especially on a big hit show if you're
Speaker 1: just guesting. Yeah, And you know, I've had similar experiences.
Speaker 1: Some have been great, some have been like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have too much energy, I am too excited to be
Speaker 1: here and it's tiring them out. So calm down, Scott,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You know, I got I tried the one time I tried.
Speaker 4: I didn't know one time to be less Tom Cruise
Speaker 4: because I was like, you're really smiling. I'm so happy
Speaker 4: to be there. They're like, yeah, you just need to
Speaker 4: that's not what the scene is.
Speaker 1: Right right, act like you've been there both.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to do. It's hard to do
Speaker 1: when you get.
Speaker 2: It's so fun.
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's fun. Yeah. You know. I remember going
Speaker 1: into those uh sitcom uh stages and rehearsing and just
Speaker 1: having so much fun. And you know, I wasn't jaded yet,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's oh, it's just a job.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've got all this money, and I've
Speaker 1: got this house, and I've got you know, all these
Speaker 1: responsibilities and I want to get back to my life
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be here and you know,
Speaker 1: this kind of attitude that that inevitably creeps in for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, but it's just yeah, for us,
Speaker 1: it's just fresh and exciting and you want to do
Speaker 1: great work, so we do. You know. It's it's like
Speaker 1: and you're nervous. There's a nervousness part about it, like
Speaker 1: am I going to be able to pull this off? Right?
Speaker 1: You know? Right? Because I remember going on Seinfeld it
Speaker 1: was like I was terrified. I was excited. I knew
Speaker 1: I could do it, but it was like, wow, once
Speaker 1: once we started getting into the filming part of it
Speaker 1: on the friday, it was like, this is serious business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be the one to
Speaker 4: mess it up because.
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, I know, I know how that is. Man,
Speaker 1: that's that's all right. So so this is season seven.
Speaker 1: Did you know the series before you auditioned?
Speaker 2: I didn't. I watched a bunch before before filming.
Speaker 1: Hey look, man, I'm not gonna take it personally. It
Speaker 1: was really nice talking we're gonna end this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, you know, it's it's it was.
Speaker 1: It was always the kind of an obscure show, right.
Speaker 3: It's such a loyal following, right, But but if it's
Speaker 3: not your cup of tea, it's not your cup of tea.
Speaker 4: Well, I fell in love with the show, and did
Speaker 4: I did become uh started watching it avidly, and.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 4: It's such it was such a touchstone type of show,
Speaker 4: like for the people that discovered it, it was so
Speaker 4: special and I think maybe there this kind of ownership
Speaker 4: of like not everybody knows this, but the people that
Speaker 4: do that, the people that get it, like just get it.
Speaker 4: And there's there's this whole new generation that's discovering Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 4: I've talked to so many friends with daughters with sons
Speaker 4: that who are twelve thirteen watching it on Netflix and
Speaker 4: they love.
Speaker 2: It, like it it's.
Speaker 4: Universal, but it really is like it's the connection obviously
Speaker 4: between the two of them, but like just the family atmosphere,
Speaker 4: and it.
Speaker 2: Really speaks to everyone.
Speaker 4: There's just that connection and those relationships and it's a
Speaker 4: really lovely There's so many shows that are kind of.
Speaker 2: Challenging or rough or.
Speaker 4: Edgy, dark edgy, You're dark, and this didn't need that
Speaker 4: to really connect with people, and it's it was great
Speaker 4: just to be an even small part of that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, amazing, what a delightful harmless, h hysterically funny
Speaker 1: show with heart will do you know? Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: rocket science. You know, it's like, you know, give the
Speaker 1: people what they want, and this is what they need
Speaker 1: and they want, you know, revisited Golden Age. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you're from Michigan. I am what what part of Michigan?
Speaker 2: I see a hat back there? Is that Missouri or
Speaker 2: is that a Michigan.
Speaker 1: That's a Michigan hat. I did a convention in uh Nova,
Speaker 1: Michigan outside. Yeah, I know, the people are so fantastic
Speaker 1: and they gave lots and hats and you know, I've
Speaker 1: watched plenty of Michigan football and TV. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Well, I went to the other school. I went to
Speaker 2: Michigan State.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay, you're spartan, but for me, I was
Speaker 4: I was sparty.
Speaker 2: I was the mascot.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yes? So I kind of lead green and white and yeah,
Speaker 2: that was really really fun.
Speaker 4: So Michigan and I are for enemies, but it's fine,
Speaker 4: Like I I appreciate how great that school is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and where where's Michigan State located?
Speaker 4: Michigan State's right in the middle in East Lansing. So
Speaker 4: Lansing is the capital. Of course, if you're from Michigan,
Speaker 4: show on your hand on a podcast, no one can
Speaker 4: see that.
Speaker 2: But I'm from a small town called Midland.
Speaker 4: Which is about it's right in the middle, right, it's
Speaker 4: right there in the name Midland.
Speaker 1: So so when did you know you wanted to be
Speaker 1: an actor?
Speaker 4: By the way, I always did school plays, let's say,
Speaker 4: always loved to be the lead all the way through
Speaker 4: junior high and through high school. And I actually went
Speaker 4: to State on a journalism scholarship because I was like,
Speaker 4: I like sports journalism. I really like sports. I want
Speaker 4: to get into sport journalism and then to be to
Speaker 4: be totally honest, I watched a few good Men and
Speaker 4: I watched Tom Cruise, and I was like, I could
Speaker 4: do that. Not in not in a backhanded compliment, I
Speaker 4: was like, I want to do that.
Speaker 2: I watched him do that. I was I, Yes, that's it, that's.
Speaker 4: What I want to do. And I took like one
Speaker 4: class in journalism. I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: do this, So I just went all in on on
Speaker 4: film and acting.
Speaker 1: And did that take you to New York? Did it
Speaker 1: take you to la to study?
Speaker 2: Actually we made some films at Michigan State.
Speaker 4: And then the people that I made the films with
Speaker 4: moved out to LA and so I moved in with
Speaker 4: one of them, but started making connections. We had like
Speaker 4: a little community already out here, and they've all gone
Speaker 4: on and one of them ran DC for a while,
Speaker 4: and they've all done amazing things all over the place.
Speaker 1: But one of them ran d C Studios.
Speaker 2: Or like d oh oh d C, like the like
Speaker 2: the d CU. They are you for the while?
Speaker 1: Okay, So what are you working on these days?
Speaker 2: What am I working on these days?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I wanted first of all, I wanted to thank you
Speaker 4: for inviting me to this. I wanted to thank you
Speaker 4: for inviting me to this because it made me, uh
Speaker 4: tick stock.
Speaker 2: What am I working on right now? What am I
Speaker 2: working on these days? What? What's my why right now?
Speaker 2: Being here?
Speaker 4: Because it's tough, Like you know, it's not easy after
Speaker 4: the pandemic and after the strike, this town is really
Speaker 4: really difficult. But I found my gratitude thinking about this.
Speaker 4: So you, your invitation brought me to a place of
Speaker 4: I'm so lucky. We are so lucky. Even though this
Speaker 4: is tough, the tough has all been worth it because,
Speaker 4: like we were saying, it's fun. But last week I
Speaker 4: had an audition in person, and it's the second one
Speaker 4: that I've had since the pandemic started. And I had
Speaker 4: to change into a suit in the car, and back
Speaker 4: when I was a younger actor, I would do that
Speaker 4: five times a day. I don't know if you remember
Speaker 4: those days. And I didn't appreciate it. Then I thought,
Speaker 4: this is kind of a burden, this is kind of
Speaker 4: but it took me back there and I was so
Speaker 4: excited and energized and I was having and I had
Speaker 4: so much fun in this audition and I walked out
Speaker 4: not worrying about whether I booked.
Speaker 1: It or not. Can you say what it was for?
Speaker 4: It's for Kathy Bates, is Matt Locke? Okay, they were amazing.
Speaker 4: It was just I was so I was trying not
Speaker 4: to like vibrate in the room. I was just trying
Speaker 4: to be centered and present and it was just really,
Speaker 4: really fun. And it took me back to again to
Speaker 4: be grateful for these opportunities that we have out here.
Speaker 4: And what I'm working on right now is I'm currently
Speaker 4: in an acting class that I'm helping coordinate with this
Speaker 4: amazing coach that I love, and I've done it since COVID,
Speaker 4: since the pandemic, and we had this core of amazing actors,
Speaker 4: and we're starting to take take the scenes and characters
Speaker 4: that we've come up with and starting to film them
Speaker 4: because I found that creating stuff with people that I
Speaker 4: love is like my happy place. It's always been that way,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of bringing back to Gilmore Girls. That's
Speaker 4: how I felt when I came onto the set. I
Speaker 4: could tell everybody there was a family, and there was
Speaker 4: a shorthand and and everyone really loved each other and
Speaker 4: watching all of you create something together was a beautiful thing,
Speaker 4: and just to being a part of that was a
Speaker 4: wonderful thing. So what I'm working on right now is
Speaker 4: trying to create content with my friends just for us,
Speaker 4: even if it never gets shown anywhere, but just that
Speaker 4: that action of creating things, filming things, writing and editing
Speaker 4: and just the entire process. I'm just in love with
Speaker 4: all of it. And that's kind of what I'm up to.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm auditioning. I'm auditioning, but I'm not putting.
Speaker 4: I'm having as much fun as I can with that.
Speaker 4: But trying to create things just to like keep the
Speaker 4: fires burning right now. That's that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: That sounds terrific. Good luck with all of that. We're
Speaker 1: going to play rapid fire right now. You're ready.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you have to be rapid.
Speaker 2: I'll try to be thoughtful a little bit.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. How do you like your coffee?
Speaker 1: These are very difficult questions. By the way, you have
Speaker 1: to have a Snoop dogg level I Q to even
Speaker 1: deal with this. You're ready? How do you like your coffee?
Speaker 4: I've met Snoop Dog. He actually is pretty bright. I
Speaker 4: love Coldrew And uh.
Speaker 1: That's it. You answered? That's great? All right? Sorry, no explanation.
Speaker 1: Are you team Logan, Team Jess or team Dean?
Speaker 2: I'm team Tucker.
Speaker 1: Who was your favorite Gilmore Girls couple? Luke and Laurels
Speaker 1: are Emily.
Speaker 2: And Richard, Luke and Laura?
Speaker 1: I thank you very much. Would you rather work with
Speaker 1: Michelle or Kirk?
Speaker 2: Kirk?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: I don't know, do you?
Speaker 1: You don't have to have a reason.
Speaker 2: I don't have to I don't know, just a feeling.
Speaker 1: Would you what would you order at Luke Steiner?
Speaker 4: Whenever I go into any restaurant I always ask what
Speaker 4: they recommend. So what would Luke recommend? Do you think
Speaker 4: not to put you on the spot? Okay, burger fries,
Speaker 4: animalted milkshake.
Speaker 1: There you go. Who would you rather hang out with
Speaker 1: Paris or Lane?
Speaker 2: I guess Paris? I guess Paris. Yeah, because because.
Speaker 1: The wonderful thing she does, the wonderful thing she does? Yes,
Speaker 1: Harvard or Yale? Or would you drop out and live
Speaker 1: in the poolhouse? Oh?
Speaker 2: Poolhouse?
Speaker 1: For sure? You go for the poolhouse.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Tucker, I'd live in the pause.
Speaker 1: Would you rather attend to da r event with Emily
Speaker 1: or a town meeting with Taylor? Dude?
Speaker 2: Tell me anyone Taylor?
Speaker 1: Okay, uh, you must like the sweat those were very
Speaker 1: sweaty days. Gilmore Girl's characters that you would want as.
Speaker 2: A roommate, Well, I really do believe that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would really want to just want right,
Speaker 4: who would I want to be?
Speaker 2: I would want to be?
Speaker 1: Come on, really truly come on.
Speaker 2: My second My second.
Speaker 4: Answer is I did think about this is bo Belleville
Speaker 4: played by Nick Offerman, because I know Nick and his
Speaker 4: character is hilarious. He is amazing and I got to
Speaker 4: work in his wood shop right as I know he's
Speaker 4: got a who he's hilarious, but his his character.
Speaker 2: I just rewatched.
Speaker 4: His his scenes there, his episodes of Only Kyle Bo's.
Speaker 2: He seems like a classy dude.
Speaker 1: So you're so you're tossing me off and you're.
Speaker 4: No, no, maybe that's what you said the three of us,
Speaker 4: that's what you said. I said, you said definitely Luke.
Speaker 1: If and then you brought up ball so Luke.
Speaker 4: Kicked me out. I'm just saying, I don't want to
Speaker 4: know it is Luke. I want to live with Luke.
Speaker 1: Something in your life you are all in on.
Speaker 3: Something or someone something, well you could it could be
Speaker 3: you know, something in your life you are all in
Speaker 3: on that could include It would be my wife.
Speaker 2: Okay, my wife, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: Cameron, thank you for your time, good luck with everything.
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2: And I ask you a question, Yes, what have.
Speaker 4: You learned from watching all of the watching the shows? Like,
Speaker 4: what what have you taken from from watching this?
Speaker 1: Well, I've never seen them before, so this is my
Speaker 1: first experience seeing them. Just like when they get it
Speaker 1: right in the writer's room, which is a lot of
Speaker 1: the time, it's a remarkably high percentage of sort of
Speaker 1: perfect great episodes. It just knocks me out how clever
Speaker 1: and how witty and how dramatic and how funny and
Speaker 1: engaging this show really is. But it really is. You know,
Speaker 1: this is really such a writer's medium. I mean, they
Speaker 1: are giving us these great this great dialogue and these
Speaker 1: great situations that like I have been on several shows,
Speaker 1: whether as a guest star or as a series regular,
Speaker 1: where you're just thrilled by being in the situations that
Speaker 1: you're being put in. You can't wait to get to
Speaker 1: the set and like I get to act this, and
Speaker 1: the better the situation you're in, the less you have
Speaker 1: to act at all. And it's just the real joy
Speaker 1: of it. And I've found that most of the episodes
Speaker 1: that I have seen and we've done, you know, we're
Speaker 1: almost done season seven. We're more than halfway through season seven.
Speaker 1: We're almost finished our first round. We're gonna probably do
Speaker 1: a second round. But just how many of the actors
Speaker 1: must have felt the same way that I did, that
Speaker 1: you get to come in and be in these situations
Speaker 1: which are so wacky and zany and dramatically relevant and
Speaker 1: comedic and just wonderful stuff. And I get it now.
Speaker 1: I get why the fan base is so dedicated. I
Speaker 1: get why they're so loyal. I get why people I mean,
Speaker 1: I do conventions and they they all say to a person,
Speaker 1: I have it on twenty four to seven. I have
Speaker 1: it on when I'm going to sleep. I have it
Speaker 1: all when I wake up. I have it all when
Speaker 1: I come home. More I have it on at the
Speaker 1: office when I'm cleaning it and I can't even hear it,
Speaker 1: but I just want to know it's there. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the characters in that show. The writing is
Speaker 1: so good, and the characters on that show have become
Speaker 1: parts of people's families, and that's how they view us
Speaker 1: and see us and treat us. And it's a wonderful
Speaker 1: experience meeting these fans because they invite you into their heart.
Speaker 1: I mean they literally just grab on and hug you
Speaker 1: and thank you. And it's a wonderful experience. And the
Speaker 1: older I get, the better the experiences are because there's
Speaker 1: more and more people, and like you said, they're younger
Speaker 1: and younger. I get seven year old boys and girls
Speaker 1: coming up and they're dressed as Luke and they and
Speaker 1: they have all of these comments and compliments and just
Speaker 1: you know, the teenage girls start to tremble and they
Speaker 1: start to cry and they get overwhelmed. It's it's just
Speaker 1: an amazing experience. This show has been such an incredible gift.
Speaker 1: And thank you for asking me the question, because I've
Speaker 1: I've had some really good experiences because I was involved
Speaker 1: in other shows, but nothing comes close to this. Nothing
Speaker 1: comes close to this. This show means so much to
Speaker 1: so many people around the world, and everywhere I am
Speaker 1: in the world, I get recognized and people come up
Speaker 1: and they and they whatever language they're speaking, and they're
Speaker 1: really trying to speak English. I understand exactly what they're saying,
Speaker 1: and I actually say the words for them and they
Speaker 1: go yes, yes, yes, yeah, and amazing. It's just an
Speaker 1: amazing healing show for the world. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: like Netflix is out there churning out these episodes and
Speaker 1: making them available. It's like medicine to the to the masses,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's having a very positive effect
Speaker 1: on people.
Speaker 2: And I think we need more Gilmore girls.
Speaker 1: And I think we do. I think it's a crazy
Speaker 1: world out there. It's getting crazier all the time all
Speaker 1: the time, and you know, one of the antidotes is
Speaker 1: sit and watch a couple episodes of Gilmore Girls, You're
Speaker 1: gonna feel better. So it's just kind of I knew
Speaker 1: the show would be I knew the show would be
Speaker 1: a hit. I didn't know how big a hit, but
Speaker 1: I thought, this is going to run five years. I
Speaker 1: remember talking to Lauren Amy Sheir and Palladina through a
Speaker 1: wonderful Christmas party every year at her house, and we
Speaker 1: were lucky enough to be included in that. And she had,
Speaker 1: you know, people from previous shows she'd done and friends,
Speaker 1: and it was just a wonderful mix of people, very
Speaker 1: eclectic mix of people, wonderful people. And I remember Lauren
Speaker 1: and I in the backyard talking about the show, and
Speaker 1: you know, we were predict how long it would go,
Speaker 1: and I remember saying five years. I was wrong. It
Speaker 1: was seven, and it probably could have been seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it could have still been going. But the
Speaker 1: fact that it's grown into this sort of culturally significant,
Speaker 1: you know show, and the characters in the show, and
Speaker 1: the town and the you know, the ecosystem that the
Speaker 1: show has has provided woven into the fabric of American culture,
Speaker 1: and it's just a really nice feeling. It's a nice
Speaker 1: feeling to have been, you know, a guy who was
Speaker 1: sleeping in his car, you know, hoping to meet people,
Speaker 1: and you know, had a theater resume, and I think
Speaker 1: I can do this. And then one day, you know,
Speaker 1: walking down the street, you know, a bunch of years
Speaker 1: later and people getting all, uh, you know, hot under
Speaker 1: the collar, and can I have your autograph? And can
Speaker 1: we take a selfie with you? And it's and they
Speaker 1: share these experiences that they've had and and you know,
Speaker 1: very personal and deep experiences that they've had because they
Speaker 1: consider you the family members, right, trust, trusted people, right,
Speaker 1: but watching the show just just how great it is,
Speaker 1: and uh, sometimes they you know, it's not perfect. And
Speaker 1: I think when it goes off the rails, it really
Speaker 1: goes off the rails because the bar is so high. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's like that hasn't
Speaker 1: happened very often, but it happened once once or twice,
Speaker 1: and that was shocking to see. But but it's just
Speaker 1: it's the reality of network television and the demands put
Speaker 1: on a writing staff to churn out. At that time,
Speaker 1: it was twenty four to twenty two episodes. A year
Speaker 1: of our long television. That's a lot of content, and
Speaker 1: it's nine months of this and it's just so hard
Speaker 1: to do, and nobody really does it anymore. Do the
Speaker 1: ten episodes and you're out, and it's still a grueling schedule,
Speaker 1: but it's not like a nine month schedule where you
Speaker 1: literally have to take a month off and just sleep
Speaker 1: and you can't really even think about going on a
Speaker 1: vacation until you've slept for a month. And then you
Speaker 1: feel like a person again. Right, You get out of
Speaker 1: that actor's head and that actor's body, and then if
Speaker 1: you're doing it, if you're lucky enough to have a
Speaker 1: film on your hiatus, then you're just like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're no downtime, there's no downtime. Yeah. So I just
Speaker 1: blown away by how clever the show is and how
Speaker 1: well done it is and how they did it with dialogue. Anyway, listen,
Speaker 1: thanks for your time, really appreciated. Good luck with everything, okay,
Speaker 1: and hope to me at you one day.
Speaker 5: All right, me too, alright, man, all right, take care,
Speaker 5: all right, take care bye bye
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