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Speaker 1: Queeze moying this.
Speaker 4: Big Christmas for you.
Speaker 5: It is a big Christmas for me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: First with all three we had like our first guys,
Speaker 5: both big Christmases. We uh, you've got your first.
Speaker 1: One in the house, first one in the house.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got your tree up, you got the lights up.
Speaker 1: We do, we do, but we're not doing it at
Speaker 1: the house. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You're not hosting this year.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's too far.
Speaker 6: We're hosting for the first time. Or we hosted last
Speaker 6: year because Lorena was pregnant and we were like, look,
Speaker 6: look it's easier for you guys to just come here,
Speaker 6: like she's got three babies to carry around.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Now we actually have three babies to carry around.
Speaker 6: So we're hosting again this year, so we'll congratulations the men.
Speaker 6: Next year is gonna be crazy for two nuts in
Speaker 6: every year, it's gonna ramp up because then they're gonna
Speaker 6: not want like hot wheels or barbies. They're gonna end
Speaker 6: up wanting like tablets and everything.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: Chris beam about, I wasn't even talking about financially. I
Speaker 4: was talking about just in terms of like being able
Speaker 4: to because right now they're not mobile. Next year, little
Speaker 4: Superman on our nephews, your tree is definitely coming down.
Speaker 5: Next They're all three gonna just be climbing one.
Speaker 6: You got three culprits and it looked like Planet of
Speaker 6: the Apes where they're climbing the towers of New York City.
Speaker 5: They're just gonna be all over the tree.
Speaker 4: Line them up, bro, put them all over there. They
Speaker 4: just sitting looking at you like I didn't do it.
Speaker 5: Now I'm excited.
Speaker 6: We had our first like family event last night where
Speaker 6: Nana bottom all gifts and we did it at her
Speaker 6: her house and we went over there and it was so.
Speaker 5: Fun, Like it was just so fun getting to hang
Speaker 5: out with everybody. I also brought you guys a little
Speaker 5: something something some last time.
Speaker 1: I tried to do this on a holiday.
Speaker 6: I was a little late, but I brought some Santa
Speaker 6: Christmas doughnuts.
Speaker 4: Say this, the Grinch went the Grinch.
Speaker 1: You go ahead and go for it.
Speaker 5: You pick it, you pick it out a little donut action.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking to cowboys. Grinch. I think it's
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand Basketball.
Speaker 4: My family calls me Coy, Isaiah.
Speaker 5: Coy wants to steal Christmas. Yeah, dude, Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 5: it's probably pretty heavy.
Speaker 8: Oh no, I see a Homer sits in one down there,
Speaker 8: there's a Homer.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the pink one. Yeah, the pink sprinkle, pink sprinkles.
Speaker 6: All right, But merry Christmas, everybody. Hope you're enjoying your
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Speaker 6: start taking some calls right now, starting with John in Alaska.
Speaker 5: John, whoa, we had you on last week. What's going on?
Speaker 9: Man?
Speaker 1: Thirty days of night? Let's go?
Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning, good morning, Thanks for colling.
Speaker 10: Yeah. First of all, let me wish all of you
Speaker 10: there in the studio and all of your listeners are
Speaker 10: very very merry Christmas. And during this holiday season, everybody
Speaker 10: should try to think about what makes them joyful and
Speaker 10: what makes them happy and focus on that.
Speaker 5: Love it.
Speaker 4: I agree you, John, love it abolutely Christmas looking like
Speaker 4: a true Alaskan.
Speaker 6: I hope you're not traveling anywhere today. That's that's my
Speaker 6: number one concern right now is all the people that
Speaker 6: are traveling.
Speaker 4: Crystal weather in Alaska.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, yeah, what's what's the temperature?
Speaker 10: Surprisingly warm. It's at thirty four degrees.
Speaker 5: Right now, super warm.
Speaker 1: Yeah for Alaska.
Speaker 10: That's pretty warm for Alaska, that's very warm.
Speaker 5: Night.
Speaker 6: Yeah, guys, I want to give thanks for the call. John,
Speaker 6: appreciate you as always. Uh, before we move on to
Speaker 6: our next collar news and notes. There's no Patrick today,
Speaker 6: and I'm gonna be completely honest.
Speaker 5: It really wasn't a whole lot from yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'm doing anything around here.
Speaker 5: So Jerry talked this morning on the fan, I believe
Speaker 5: did he did? He talk?
Speaker 8: He did? He talked about Ceedee Lamb. As far as
Speaker 8: the injury goes kind only with you up to CD.
Speaker 8: Obviously he's playing through a lot of things. He's injured
Speaker 8: that that shoulder is not getting any better. No, obviously
Speaker 8: with the more playtime, obviously he keeps getting hit the
Speaker 8: way that he is.
Speaker 6: Sorry, I spot you're fighting through it, just like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: Interesting, need another one another?
Speaker 5: I have one, you have one, it's already gone. You
Speaker 5: take another one if you want.
Speaker 6: Well, But that is a good point because if they
Speaker 6: are going to leave it up to Cede Lamb, CD
Speaker 6: is gonna play. I mean, that's just clearly he's proven
Speaker 6: that already.
Speaker 8: We were in the box whenever he landed on that shoulder,
Speaker 8: and the announcers in the box basically said, you know,
Speaker 8: Ceedee Lamb is questionable to return.
Speaker 1: Not one play.
Speaker 8: Later, after literally the next play a TV time out,
Speaker 8: he's back in the in Uh, that's right. In the
Speaker 8: play gets it down to the one yard line, almost touchdown,
Speaker 8: shakes off a couple of people, chase off a couple
Speaker 8: of people with an injured shoulder, puts us back in
Speaker 8: the game. Granted we didn't see him much in the
Speaker 8: second half, but amazing that he powered through that he's
Speaker 8: still playing, and he's obviously going to play in Philly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way to keep him out of Philly.
Speaker 6: The only way that he's not on the field is
Speaker 6: if the training staff deems it best for him not
Speaker 6: to be on the field, because I know he said,
Speaker 6: he said, we'll leave it up to Seedee Lamb, We'll
Speaker 6: leave it up to his pain, discrepancy and tolerance.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think if he's able, he will be
Speaker 5: on the field.
Speaker 8: You're not taking him off the field, no way, I agree,
Speaker 8: no way, No how he also alluded to. Jerry Jones
Speaker 8: alluded well, he was asked the question, as far as
Speaker 8: Mike McCarthy goes, do we think he's going to retain
Speaker 8: him for next season? Jerry Jones was very close to
Speaker 8: the vest on that one. He didn't necessarily answer the question.
Speaker 8: He was talking about, Yeah, confidence in him now, you
Speaker 8: know as we stand here and basically said, you know,
Speaker 8: full stop, like talking about here and now, so not
Speaker 8: necessarily looking towards the future. Sure, I'm sure he is,
Speaker 8: but he's not telling anybody about it yet. And we've
Speaker 8: talked about it many times here before. How do you
Speaker 8: if we end up with a running record, or let's
Speaker 8: say we end up eight to nine, you know, battling
Speaker 8: through this season, how do you not give.
Speaker 1: To Micha McCarthy.
Speaker 8: That's a question that we will be talking about for
Speaker 8: a long time to come, obviously when the season ends.
Speaker 8: So that's where we're at.
Speaker 4: How soon after the season ends, Dallas Cowboy season it is,
Speaker 4: will can we expect a decision?
Speaker 6: Usually it's within like three or four days, like it'd
Speaker 6: be really quick. So that I mean, the final game
Speaker 6: of the year is either the fourth or the fifth
Speaker 6: of January of course, the NFL has that last week
Speaker 6: as TBD, and then they slot them all in the
Speaker 6: place at the end of the time. I would expect
Speaker 6: something either that Monday or Tuesday the sixth, or the seventh.
Speaker 1: I would assume Saturday, February eighth.
Speaker 5: Do you think it's further than that after the super
Speaker 5: Bowl or close to the.
Speaker 8: Super Bowl, the day before the Super Bowl, the.
Speaker 5: Day before the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: To hire a coach or to announcement, to make announce
Speaker 4: what he's doing.
Speaker 6: Oh, I think it's gonna be way quicker than that.
Speaker 6: Even I'm just going based off of Jason Garrett. Yeah,
Speaker 6: same sort of deal. Contract ran out, they did not
Speaker 6: renew him. You knew within the next two days after
Speaker 6: the season was over.
Speaker 8: So they don't wait on the coach very long.
Speaker 6: Then then you go on the then you go on
Speaker 6: the search and you start finding who your next coach
Speaker 6: is or you extend them, and then all of a
Speaker 6: sudden you've got that conversation moving forward too. So I
Speaker 6: don't think it would take very long. I think it'd
Speaker 6: be literally the day or two after the season comes.
Speaker 4: To a close.
Speaker 8: Husban, could you sign Micah That might be a little
Speaker 8: further that would be for the further out league. I
Speaker 8: mean new league year is March fifteenth, Okay, so sometime
Speaker 8: I got to look at the dates for twenty five.
Speaker 8: But the free agency and that sort of deal, I mean,
Speaker 8: I think you can sign him at any point, but
Speaker 8: I bet you it wouldn't happen until the league years changed.
Speaker 4: Interesting a little about the coaching decision on all the teams,
Speaker 4: because they have those all Star games, right, all those
Speaker 4: all the college All Star games in the Senior Bowl, Yeah,
Speaker 4: all the Senior Bowls and Shrine Bowl. You will want
Speaker 4: your coach yep to be present there, correct, and you're
Speaker 4: coaching staff, yes, yeah, from that.
Speaker 5: Perspective a lot.
Speaker 6: And that's that's why I think it will happen quick
Speaker 6: because the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl are the
Speaker 6: final week of January. Final week, So that would give
Speaker 6: you a month of either find a new head coach
Speaker 6: and hire them or at least know who your new.
Speaker 5: Head coach is going to be.
Speaker 6: Uh, when you get to that point or Mike McCarthy's here,
Speaker 6: nothing changes, So I think let's keep on rolling. Let's
Speaker 6: go to Nebby and Silver Spring, Maryland. Nebby, what's going
Speaker 6: on you're on talking Cowboys man.
Speaker 3: Hi, guys, thank you so much for uh taking my call. Listen.
Speaker 3: Uh uh. First of all, I want to say uh
Speaker 3: that I I think so highly of Cooper uh BB
Speaker 3: that I bought his jersey uh uh uh a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago. Uh uh. But anyway, um I, I just
Speaker 3: want to say that I I I I I. Even
Speaker 3: though uhh we obviously won't be going to the playoffs
Speaker 3: and therefore, of course uh will not win the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl this year. Uh uh I, even even when that
Speaker 3: is no longer a possibility, there's always something to uh
Speaker 3: uh uh uh I'll play for because winning games uh
Speaker 3: down the stretch, I can build momentum for next year.
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that we win these last two games,
Speaker 3: I have a winning season uh I and go off
Speaker 3: seasons strongly. And also before I go, I just want
Speaker 3: to say that, with all due respect to Mike Zimmer
Speaker 3: uh uh, I'm hoping that uhl Al Harris will be
Speaker 3: our defensive coordinator next uh a year next season. I
Speaker 3: take care, thanks for being patient with me, and have
Speaker 3: a great week. Bye.
Speaker 6: There we goes. Nevy Nev knows ball, of course always does.
Speaker 6: Now I agree with him. On one take so far,
Speaker 6: and I disagree with him on the other time.
Speaker 5: I never do. Really, he knows and it's an opinion.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 6: I love Al Harris, I really do. But Mike Zimmer's
Speaker 6: done enough to be your defensive.
Speaker 1: Coordinator next year.
Speaker 8: It's crazy how much the scripts flipped in regards to
Speaker 8: Mike Zimmer. Oh yeah, how he's done this year with
Speaker 8: the injuries at the defense specifically, it's crazy to see
Speaker 8: him grow and now the players are obviously buying into it.
Speaker 5: They're all bought in.
Speaker 6: It's crazy talking to some of the guys after the game,
Speaker 6: like you could see it like they it may not
Speaker 6: have been there initially, and there might have been a
Speaker 6: learning curve maybe a lot longer, and you could certainly
Speaker 6: give him criticism for how long it took for these.
Speaker 5: Guys to pick that up. That's fair.
Speaker 6: But the way that they're playing now gives me kind
Speaker 6: of like the first point where I agree with Nabby.
Speaker 5: I want to win these last two games.
Speaker 6: I want to build momentum going into twenty twenty five,
Speaker 6: because if you win these last two games and you're
Speaker 6: at nine to eight, you could be considered one of
Speaker 6: the best, if not the best defense in football in
Speaker 6: the back half of the season. There's a lot you
Speaker 6: can go build off of from there, including.
Speaker 5: With your defensive coordinator. M you don't want to win
Speaker 5: the last two games.
Speaker 4: No, you definitely want to win the last two games.
Speaker 4: It's just not convinced. Holy Holy you know that that
Speaker 4: I'm ready to rock with Zimmer yet, And I don't
Speaker 4: know what it would really take to build.
Speaker 5: What is holding you back?
Speaker 4: What I saw early? Same system? You know, I don't
Speaker 4: know if it was guys not executing or I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know what. You have to go back and
Speaker 4: look at it. I would have to go back.
Speaker 5: And talking to the guys. That's what they say.
Speaker 6: They say it's it was a lack of execution, not
Speaker 6: necessarily a lack of scheme or preparation.
Speaker 8: Like you said about chun Zy Golsten when you guys
Speaker 8: interviewed him for pregame live on dolls cobys dot com. Uh,
Speaker 8: he was talking about early in the season where when
Speaker 8: they would make a mistake, It's like, Okay, what would
Speaker 8: dan Quinn have us do basically in this situation versus
Speaker 8: buying into the new scheme that they're they What.
Speaker 1: Would Zimmer do.
Speaker 8: What would Zimmer do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it's a.
Speaker 5: Little bit different.
Speaker 4: WWZD what do uh? I yeah, it's I mean, it's
Speaker 4: obviously he has done a good enough job to at
Speaker 4: least raise the question. Right before, it was not a question.
Speaker 4: Absolutely before it was like, oh, ces next. Now you
Speaker 4: at least have to go back and look at his
Speaker 4: body of work, and I think he's They have done
Speaker 4: amazing these last four games whatever, it's been five games
Speaker 4: since Mike has come back. But again, you have to
Speaker 4: look at it and say, okay, is that because MIC's
Speaker 4: back and everybody else is able to do what they do?
Speaker 4: What if Micah is you know, low and behold, you know,
Speaker 4: God forbid and Mike is hurt? Do you get the
Speaker 4: same productivity out of this entire defense?
Speaker 5: Probably?
Speaker 4: Not right, so not good, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But you can say the same thing about any other
Speaker 6: defense that has a high end talent. If the Cleveland
Speaker 6: Browns defense without Miles Garrett is completely different, the San
Speaker 6: Francisco defense without Nick Bosa is completely different, the Chargers
Speaker 6: defense without Khalil or.
Speaker 4: Difference, Like there's like it's not even close. But so
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like, how much weight are you putting on
Speaker 4: that one individual a.
Speaker 5: Lot because he's one of the best, if not the
Speaker 5: best kids. I mean, you're still second in defensive understanding.
Speaker 4: With the understanding that players get injured and things happen,
Speaker 4: contracts happen, players leave, you have to still have a
Speaker 4: system in place that is effective enough to give you
Speaker 4: give you an opportunity to win ball games. And that
Speaker 4: system was not it was.
Speaker 1: In place, it was not early.
Speaker 4: Is That's what I'm saying. Because of that, you have
Speaker 4: to you can't just say, yeah, things are running hot
Speaker 4: right now. You gotta roll with it, like you have
Speaker 4: to now go back and look at us and what
Speaker 4: was different? Was it execution? Was it just that we
Speaker 4: were just getting tostedos? Right? You have to go and
Speaker 4: really look at it and say, okay, what was the
Speaker 4: major difference When you can't, I don't believe that you
Speaker 4: can feel secure enough with somebody making that decision by saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: once he's in place, we're good, because that's not the system.
Speaker 6: That is.
Speaker 4: That is one person impacting way too much of the.
Speaker 8: Game and they kind of pick it back of what
Speaker 8: you're saying. If if that happens, you bring Mike zimmern
Speaker 8: back and you lose Al Harris, I think you're gonna
Speaker 8: get that either way. I think you are going to
Speaker 8: get a step back in play because the secondary has been,
Speaker 8: at least for me, consistent all the way through the year.
Speaker 1: Sure, and.
Speaker 6: I can't foresee them, so I would love to have
Speaker 6: Superman and Batman on my team. If it's only Batman,
Speaker 6: and then there's only so much you can do about it,
Speaker 6: you know. Yeah, I agree. I think Al Harris leaving
Speaker 6: would be a step back. But I'm not going to
Speaker 6: take away any credit from what Mike zimmer has done.
Speaker 6: Because you're talking about self scouting and going inward and
Speaker 6: changing some of the problems that happened earlier in the year,
Speaker 6: and how that's needed.
Speaker 5: I think they've already done.
Speaker 6: That, because yes, Micah returns and that adds a huge
Speaker 6: element to this defense. Jordan Lewis said it on Sunday
Speaker 6: after the game. He said, well, yeah, you know, we've
Speaker 6: been pretty good since Micah got back. I don't know
Speaker 6: if that was the whole game plan, but he is
Speaker 6: a monster. You can't He's been an incredible football.
Speaker 4: I'm not disagreeing with them, but when I look at
Speaker 4: somebody's system. I believe that the system has to be
Speaker 4: effective regardless if your number one star player is in
Speaker 4: there or not. As we're talking about the quarterback position,
Speaker 4: which is a major right, So that's what I'm talking about,
Speaker 4: especially when we talk about defense. Right, defense, it is
Speaker 4: a holistic thing. You're not relying on one person to
Speaker 4: be just your impact guy. You need multiple guys doing
Speaker 4: their thing. Now, he's had to battle through talking about Zimmer,
Speaker 4: that is, he's had to deal with a tremendous amount
Speaker 4: of injuries and that's unfortunate. But again, this defense before Micah,
Speaker 4: defense after Micah, two completely different defenses. Yeah, that is
Speaker 4: the system sound enough to work regardless of if Mike
Speaker 4: is there or not. He's asked Mike question.
Speaker 6: He's the only all pro on that defense that has
Speaker 6: had that big of an impact when he wasn't around.
Speaker 5: I mean, you just won a game without Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 6: You've won multiple games without DeMarcus Lawrence, You've won multiple
Speaker 6: games now without Demarvin Overshown.
Speaker 5: I mean, you have these guys that are all stepping up.
Speaker 6: Mike is the only one that you can circle and say, yeah,
Speaker 6: when he wasn't there, they weren't very good, but they
Speaker 6: also were playing the meat of their schedule and some
Speaker 6: of the top teams in the NFL.
Speaker 8: And it's not like the run defense didn't bounce back
Speaker 8: in MICHAEH. Parsons's absence. You saw a definite improvement while
Speaker 8: he was out. Granted there was no path rush to
Speaker 8: be heard of, it's there, but you did see the
Speaker 8: run defense improve, which is obviously players but also coaching
Speaker 8: as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, let's sneak in a call before our
Speaker 6: first break, AB in Redondo Beach, California.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's going on? AB? You're on talking Cowboys?
Speaker 11: I'm good.
Speaker 12: How you doing? Merry Christmas?
Speaker 5: Christmas, my friend, how are you?
Speaker 12: I'm doing well. I'm kind of conflicted though, because on
Speaker 12: one hand, I'm happy that the Cowboys are winning, but
Speaker 12: on the other hand, I hope it's not gonna save
Speaker 12: McCarthy as far as coach. Oh, I'm just I'm not
Speaker 12: sold on him winning. I mean, his offense and stuff.
Speaker 12: Long term, I'm not sold on it. And you know,
Speaker 12: I get that everybody's playing hard, but you have to ask,
Speaker 12: you know, are they playing hard because they're trying to
Speaker 12: get another paycheck or are they really playing hard just
Speaker 12: for him? I mean, I guess it's a combination of both.
Speaker 12: And then, you know, the thing that I don't think
Speaker 12: anybody thinks about is how many super Bowl co which
Speaker 12: is of one with the second team.
Speaker 5: I believe only one or two.
Speaker 12: I think it's very few, exactly. Yeah, And we tried
Speaker 12: it with ourselves, we try it with him, and it
Speaker 12: has worked out. You know, I think they need to
Speaker 12: go something fresh, something new, something more innovative than what
Speaker 12: he's bringing out right now.
Speaker 5: I appreciate the call. You are not wrong in your opinion.
Speaker 5: You can't be wrong in your opinion.
Speaker 6: Uh. And you're also not alone there. Either there's a
Speaker 6: lot of Cowboys fans that are split because of this,
Speaker 6: or I think we're starting to see more of a
Speaker 6: fifty to fifty split. I don't know if it's there yet, but.
Speaker 5: Five weeks ago it was not very fifty to fifty.
Speaker 8: No, So what was going to happen with the coach
Speaker 8: moving forward? Very clarified weeks ago?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you gonna have there?
Speaker 7: Not so much.
Speaker 4: I just I think people have been spoiled. I truly
Speaker 4: think people have been spoiled by twelve in seasons. That's
Speaker 4: just the truth.
Speaker 1: You got three of them in a row. That's just
Speaker 1: a lot of winning.
Speaker 4: People are spoiled by twelve wins and people feel they
Speaker 4: feel as if you're supposed to just show up and
Speaker 4: that happens. Now, you just show up and we win
Speaker 4: twelve games. That's how That's not how the work Listen
Speaker 4: League works. And this year obviously is an anomaly because
Speaker 4: of injuries, and you still might be nine to eight,
Speaker 4: you know, by the end of the year. And if
Speaker 4: you go nine and eight with this year, it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 4: But the fact that McCarthy, what he's done over his
Speaker 4: stint here is it's not given enough respect at all,
Speaker 4: No at all, because everybody wants change, but everybody's not
Speaker 4: willing to run the risk that change brings.
Speaker 1: And change takes a long time.
Speaker 4: Change takes a long time. Change takes personnel changes, change
Speaker 4: takes scheme changes, change takes the the empathy and the
Speaker 4: willingness to allow for a losing seasons while they figure
Speaker 4: things seas seasons. Yes, okay, so everybody wants change until
Speaker 4: change happens and you have to go through the mess
Speaker 4: to come out. Yeah, the grand pace, so be careful,
Speaker 4: be careful what you wish for people. I understand your
Speaker 4: your sentiments, I respect your sentiments, but you don't just
Speaker 4: wake up and win twelve games. Look around the league,
Speaker 4: lick around the league, and you will understand that if
Speaker 4: you're going to go another direction with the coach, understand this.
Speaker 4: You're either going to get a coach who has failed
Speaker 4: somewhere else, or you're going to get a brand new
Speaker 4: coach who's never done it before.
Speaker 6: Yes, and I would like to add on the second
Speaker 6: side of that, the second side if you and I
Speaker 6: wish I would have asked ab who his replacement would be?
Speaker 6: Who would you hire in that case, because of course
Speaker 6: we can't say names up here as well. But when
Speaker 6: when you're looking at it and you're saying, oh, the
Speaker 6: new guy that's out there, all these names that have
Speaker 6: been thrown out there in terms of replacements, when's the
Speaker 6: last time the Cowboy or not the Cowboys, But a
Speaker 6: team has won a Super Bowl with a head coach that's.
Speaker 5: New, probably Sean McVay.
Speaker 1: And that's it.
Speaker 5: I mean, look at this different. You've got Andy Reid.
Speaker 8: We're talking about Kyle Shannonday, exact same things.
Speaker 6: It still hasn't won one. Here are the super Bowl
Speaker 6: winning head coaches. I'm just going to start reading, and
Speaker 6: you're going to see a trend here. Andy Reid, of course,
Speaker 6: he's won a couple of them. Sean McVay, we just
Speaker 6: mentioned him, Bruce Arians, Bill Belichick, Doug Peterson, Gary Kubiak,
Speaker 6: Pete Carroll, John Harball, Tom Coughlin.
Speaker 5: Harball would be considered a new coach back in that time.
Speaker 6: That was back in twenty thirteen, Tom Coughlin, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 6: was a new coach back in twenty ten, twenty eleven.
Speaker 6: He was still in his fifth year with that organization
Speaker 6: at that time. Sean Palin or Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 6: Tom Coughlin, Tony Dungee, Bill Cower.
Speaker 5: You get the point. You get the point. It doesn't
Speaker 5: just pop it over here.
Speaker 4: Coaches.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And these are all guys that have either won
Speaker 6: Super Bowls or had multiple Super Bowls, or had Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame caliber quarterbacks. And I don't know, I just
Speaker 6: I don't think you can look at what Mike McCarthy
Speaker 6: has done here and just.
Speaker 1: Show it away, of course, for nothing.
Speaker 8: And that's kind of what people want to do, and
Speaker 8: that was a big reason why they heard him in
Speaker 8: the first place. You wanted someone that's been there before,
Speaker 8: someone that that can come in and act like they've
Speaker 8: been there before.
Speaker 4: Obviously, what's his overall record here?
Speaker 1: That's a great question, pretty pretty wild.
Speaker 4: I just want to pink that picture.
Speaker 6: I mean, twelve and five, twelve and five, twelve and five.
Speaker 6: He was what seven and nine in the first year,
Speaker 6: it was crazy, and then yeah, that was this COVID year.
Speaker 1: And then he's one game under five hundred here, he's
Speaker 1: out of one ten overall. Yeah, in Dallas, in Dallas, right.
Speaker 4: So yeah, plus fifteen.
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Speaker 8: The record was the record was oh his record is
Speaker 8: forty nine to thirty three the winningest Cowboys head coach
Speaker 8: since won Barry Switzer in ninety seven.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in terms of win percentage, you're talking about.
Speaker 8: Percentage in terms of win percent that's m McCarthy, baby
Speaker 8: coach McCarthy.
Speaker 5: That is no.
Speaker 1: But his postseason record one three.
Speaker 5: That's where I find criticism to be.
Speaker 6: Okay, you brought him in to win championships, to get
Speaker 6: you to an NFC title game, to elevate dak in
Speaker 6: what he could do.
Speaker 5: He's done. That's that's done. Check that box. But you
Speaker 5: haven't gone to an NFC championship game. That's where the
Speaker 5: criticism comes.
Speaker 6: Well, but I just find it hard to believe when
Speaker 6: you look outside and say, oh, this name, this name,
Speaker 6: this name, are gonna do what he's doing right now
Speaker 6: with this football team and are going to galvanize this
Speaker 6: team enough to where they're saying, oh, we're out of
Speaker 6: playoff contention, and we're still winning four out of five
Speaker 6: games and we're making things happen. You're one play away
Speaker 6: from making the playoffs.
Speaker 5: With Cooper Rush as your starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe. It's hard to believe.
Speaker 8: And we say all this and we give him all
Speaker 8: the we give him the praise here that he is
Speaker 8: deserved of.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, but but you look at that Green Bay game.
Speaker 5: It was bad.
Speaker 6: I mean, and I think a lot of that blame
Speaker 6: falls on the guy that's now the head coach in Washington,
Speaker 6: by the way, I do. Yeah, dan Quinn completely kerfuffled
Speaker 6: that entire game plan because he was trying to hide
Speaker 6: Steph on Gilmour playing and simple Stephan Gilmour was hurt
Speaker 6: options and they said, you know what, we were a
Speaker 6: one armed Stephan Gilmour to play in zone coverage instead
Speaker 6: of man like they had played eighty percent of the
Speaker 6: time last year. They decided to go zone against a
Speaker 6: team that does nothing but run the ball effectively and
Speaker 6: then throw the ball over the middle of the field
Speaker 6: with Jordan Love. No, that was a stupid game plan,
Speaker 6: and that's what happened in Green Bay. I don't I
Speaker 6: don't put all that on my mara. I put a
Speaker 6: lot of that on the role in the beginning.
Speaker 5: It wasn't good either.
Speaker 6: I'm not putting it all on McCart I'm putting a
Speaker 6: lot of it on dan Quinn too. It's a solid
Speaker 6: fifty to fifty team effort. Said, yeah, team effort. We're
Speaker 6: gonna go get our butts kicked in the wild.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Is It's plain and simple.
Speaker 8: It's just to me, that game was such a I
Speaker 8: think you've said it before, something about that game broke
Speaker 8: this team and we're still reeling from the effects of that.
Speaker 1: I still am to this day. I mean, I when
Speaker 1: I think of it, I chudder, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just not it doesn't feel good, guys.
Speaker 8: So I think some of the stink of that game
Speaker 8: is upsetting a lot of Cowboys fans, and obviously the
Speaker 8: way that this year's gone. I totally understand where they're
Speaker 8: coming from as far as like, what.
Speaker 5: Are we doing here?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 8: But if you've been following the team, like I know
Speaker 8: you have because you are all Cowboy fans and you're
Speaker 8: listening to talking Cowboys, you have to respect what he
Speaker 8: has done with the cards he's been dealt this season.
Speaker 4: Listen, Winning seasons just don't I just want people to
Speaker 4: take a step back. You don't just stumble upon winning seasons,
Speaker 4: especially twelve. Just don't stumble upon twelve win seasons. And
Speaker 4: you don't get a chance at the playoffs unless you
Speaker 4: have those winning seasons. I just want to remind everybody
Speaker 4: of that this league is hard. This league is hard,
Speaker 4: and to get a winning season is hard, especially in
Speaker 4: this division, and to and to be in position to
Speaker 4: go to the playoffs. Once you get to the playoffs,
Speaker 4: it's hard. Playoffs are hard. Name. Just just pick another coach,
Speaker 4: Pick another coach out there for this is going to
Speaker 4: call in. Tell us a coach that does really well
Speaker 4: in the playoffs that is going to be available for
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys that's been a head coach.
Speaker 5: Good question. I'm going to play a little exercise here.
Speaker 6: Name the three teams right now that have the best
Speaker 6: chance to win the Super Bowl out of the NFC.
Speaker 4: Go right, the NFC, right man, I'm going with the
Speaker 4: you gotta go Eagles. You don't, Yeah, you have to
Speaker 4: really good, solid Eagles. The way Green Bays play, I
Speaker 4: can't hate to say that. That's I don't want to
Speaker 4: say NFC, NFC, NFC the team and blew up.
Speaker 8: Yeah Lions than Lions.
Speaker 4: Yeah they got to overcome a lot, but yeah, yeah
Speaker 4: they're in there.
Speaker 6: So let me just phrase it this way. The first
Speaker 6: team you named there was the Eagles. How many wins
Speaker 6: do they have right now, twelve twelve. They have twelve wins,
Speaker 6: so they're gonna they're gonna win the NFC East, right,
Speaker 6: hm uh, and they're probably gonna end up as the
Speaker 6: two seed in the NFC. That's pretty that's a crazy,
Speaker 6: well run organization that continues to do things all the
Speaker 6: way through. You're going to see him this week. Pretty
Speaker 6: damn good football team, right. Yes, what did the Dallas
Speaker 6: Cowboys do last year? Yes, I know they laid an egg,
Speaker 6: but they had all of those things working in favor
Speaker 6: going into the playoffs.
Speaker 5: You don't just stumble upon that. And that's kind of
Speaker 5: my point there is you don't just.
Speaker 4: I'm telling people are spoilt. You can't people like that.
Speaker 4: But you're spoiled. You're spoiled. You're spoiled. That's okay, now word,
Speaker 4: it just means you just ow it. You're spoiled. You
Speaker 4: used to you're used to coach McCarthy winning you twelve
Speaker 4: games a year, and you're talking about like, oh, that's
Speaker 4: just gonna happen. We're gonna be in the play Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a given. It's not how this game works.
Speaker 6: If this team was healthy going into the playoffs and
Speaker 6: had a chance to do something special and then laid
Speaker 6: an egg again. Then we can have the conversation because
Speaker 6: you're one and four in the playoffs and it just
Speaker 6: hasn't worked out. However, this isn't a normal season. You
Speaker 6: weren't given, like you said, the cards that were dealt
Speaker 6: with differently. And I know a lot of people are
Speaker 6: probably already tuning us out because they're like, oh, they're
Speaker 6: just offending Mike McCarthy. They're on the Cowboys away. This
Speaker 6: is what football is, and that's just plain and simple
Speaker 6: what it is. We've been very critical of Mike McCarthy
Speaker 6: in the past, sometimes to a fault.
Speaker 4: We've we've had our own individual conversation. Man, everybody can
Speaker 4: get it. Okay, well keep it one hundred were analyst.
Speaker 5: This is this is not one of those situations.
Speaker 6: Let's go to tyrone in Pennsylvania, tyrone on the line
Speaker 6: in enemy country.
Speaker 7: What's going on, gentlemen, Marry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Mary, Christmas Iron.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, Eric, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Hey, that's everything. I'm thirty eight years old, and
Speaker 7: anyone that's my age group are a little older. They
Speaker 7: sing that song the minute they hear me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not I'm not going to sing that song
Speaker 4: to you, but I will acknowledge it.
Speaker 7: So I'm going to actually piggyback off of what y'all
Speaker 7: just were talking about with Mike McCarthy. So Neil I
Speaker 7: think his name is Neil O'donnald Vikings head coach. That's
Speaker 7: a new coach. Nick Sirianni, that's a new head coach.
Speaker 7: Dan Campbell that's the new head coach. Sure right, So
Speaker 7: all three of those coaches were coordinators that the team
Speaker 7: hired and moved on from, you know, other coaches that
Speaker 7: weren't getting it done.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: My take with Mike McCarthy is he's Tony Dungee. He's
Speaker 7: the two thousand Tony Dungee. So he has an amazing
Speaker 7: one side of the ball that's going to be our offense.
Speaker 7: Tony Duneys was the defense, and for whatever reason, as
Speaker 7: great as Tony Dungee was and he eventually won a
Speaker 7: Super Bowl, he could not get that Buck team over
Speaker 7: the hump. And it took them going outside and say
Speaker 7: what you want about the man. We're not going to
Speaker 7: talk about the man, but the coach, John Ruden was
Speaker 7: able to fix the other side of the ball that
Speaker 7: prevented them from getting over the hump and eventually got
Speaker 7: you know, well not eventually got them the super Bowl
Speaker 7: that they were looking for. So that's my take on
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy. I think as we may be spoiled with
Speaker 7: ten win seasons, but ten win we need now, we
Speaker 7: need the next step, right like that. That's what it
Speaker 7: is the Cowboys over the last twenty five years. Go
Speaker 7: look at the records. This isn't new. The Cowboys have
Speaker 7: been one of the most winningest teams sure over the
Speaker 7: last twenty five years. And Mike McCarthy is the best
Speaker 7: head coach we've had since Jimmy Johnson. I will put
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy over Bill Parselves, I really will.
Speaker 5: He's had more success, Yeah.
Speaker 7: He's had more success, longevity, everything, but he's just not
Speaker 7: getting it done in the issue for me has always
Speaker 7: been his unwillingness to ad just sooner. That has been
Speaker 7: my biggest gripe. You have a thousand yard back fa
Speaker 7: ric odawbeles he's probably gonna hit a thousand yards, which
Speaker 7: that's not that big of a deal with seventeen games,
Speaker 7: but he's gonna hit a thousand yards. Probably he probably
Speaker 7: would have hit twelve thirteen if they would have ran
Speaker 7: the ball earlier. But this whole game plan with Cooper Rush,
Speaker 7: why can't we do this game plan with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 5: I've got and we do that.
Speaker 6: I've got two follow up questions for you. You named
Speaker 6: the Lions, the Eagles, and the Vikings head coaches. I mean,
Speaker 6: I know, and you can, yeah, throw the Commanders in
Speaker 6: there too.
Speaker 5: How many how many of those coaches do you feel
Speaker 5: like would be available for the Cowboys to go and
Speaker 5: plug this year?
Speaker 7: I would actually look at either Robert Sala or Mike Rabel.
Speaker 6: Okay, so two guys that have failed in different spots,
Speaker 6: one in the Tennessee Titans and one at the New
Speaker 6: York Jets.
Speaker 7: Right, Well, I wouldn't call Mike Graybolt failing because he
Speaker 7: took Ryan Tannehill to an AFC title game.
Speaker 6: Fair.
Speaker 7: I would not say that the sale because for me,
Speaker 7: that would be a successful someone that got a Super Bowl.
Speaker 7: I'm just looking for someone who has taken the next
Speaker 7: step more recently than Mike McCarthy and Ryan Tannehill to me,
Speaker 7: taking Ryan Tannehill on the Titan to an ANFC title
Speaker 7: game where we haven't snipped the NFC Title game, and
Speaker 7: you know, I was like eight years old that that
Speaker 7: that's a big deal for me, right, Like, that's something
Speaker 7: that I would like to see, you know, before I'm forty, and.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm glad that you're you're bringing that up, because
Speaker 6: you're right, you're not looking at coaches that have Super
Speaker 6: Bowls because all six coaches that you named don't have
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl currently. But I do want to ask
Speaker 6: you this. You said you brought up Tony Dungee and
Speaker 6: the transition to John Gruden. I get that as a comparison.
Speaker 6: I actually liked that comparison a lot. Tony Dungee was
Speaker 6: a great head coach in his own right, so was
Speaker 6: John Gruden. However, do you feel like when you look
Speaker 6: at this roster right now, do you feel like this
Speaker 6: roster is good enough in order to take the next
Speaker 6: step moving forward? Because a lot of the gripe this
Speaker 6: year has been this roster is not good enough. They
Speaker 6: did not do enough in the offseason, they did not
Speaker 6: do enough here. The cap space is garbage at this point,
Speaker 6: and you're going to have some more cap space garbage
Speaker 6: to deal with in twenty twenty five. Do you feel
Speaker 6: like a coach, one guy, one leader that can come
Speaker 6: in out of the street and immediately fix what's going
Speaker 6: on with this Cowboys organization is out there and available
Speaker 6: right now, because I don't see my point.
Speaker 7: My thing is with that is I think this is
Speaker 7: every king deals with that cap space issue, every single
Speaker 7: team deals with it. If you have top end talent
Speaker 7: at different times, yes, so you're gonna deal with that.
Speaker 7: But what the good coaches do. They squeeze as much
Speaker 7: juice out of that lemon as they can.
Speaker 6: Like winning four games in five game if five games
Speaker 6: with Cooper Rush at quarterback, Oh hey.
Speaker 7: He again, what he has done over this five game
Speaker 7: span has been impressive. I will give him that. However,
Speaker 7: it's just I can't forget what has happened leading up
Speaker 7: to it. I can't forget that.
Speaker 5: I just I'm just we're just playing devil's advocations.
Speaker 7: That's what I am.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 4: I respect your opinion, I respect your inside. I'm just
Speaker 4: are you forgetting about the three twelve one seasons?
Speaker 7: No, not at all.
Speaker 4: Are you taking Are you taking those for granted?
Speaker 7: No, I'm not taking them for granted. But at the
Speaker 7: same time, the you know, Jason Garrett had a couple
Speaker 7: of those Waite Phillips had, you.
Speaker 5: Know, but none of it.
Speaker 4: But none of them had a winning percentage like coach McCarthy. No, no,
Speaker 4: no matter what name you bring up, unless you go
Speaker 4: all the way back to to Swisser, nobody's gonna have
Speaker 4: a better regular season winning record than coach McCarthy. And
Speaker 4: without a regular season record like that, you don't get
Speaker 4: to the playoffs.
Speaker 7: At the same time, though, don't we want to get
Speaker 7: past that that that wall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but you have to get there. So I'm saying,
Speaker 4: are we taking are we taking the getting their portion
Speaker 4: for granted?
Speaker 7: No, no, but sometimes you you know, sometimes you can't
Speaker 7: be scared of change. You know, what it sounds like
Speaker 7: is complacency. To me, that's what it sounds like. It's like, oh,
Speaker 7: this is the first step. Cool, the first step is there?
Speaker 7: I think we have we have the talent to always
Speaker 7: do that. We always have the talent to win nine,
Speaker 7: ten to eleven games minimum. I always see that people
Speaker 7: want to play in Dallas, they draft well. Will McClay
Speaker 7: is probably, in my opinion, the best non.
Speaker 5: GM in in you know, the I'll agree with you there, Yeah,
Speaker 5: And we.
Speaker 7: Will always draft well and we will always find little
Speaker 7: diamonds and gems in the rough. You know, that will
Speaker 7: that will be able to pay little but get top
Speaker 7: end productions or not top end, but you know like
Speaker 7: that production.
Speaker 4: I respect that opinion. But the game's changed. From a
Speaker 4: player standpoint, the game has changed. Cats are not going
Speaker 4: to places because of what's on the helmet anymore. Cats
Speaker 4: are going to places because I got to get my money.
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm just telling you from the player's perspective,
Speaker 4: it has changed. You bring up Will McLay. Will McLay
Speaker 4: is not a sure thing to be back here next year.
Speaker 4: That's another thing. That's another conversation that has to be
Speaker 4: had going into this offseason. Right, there's things that have
Speaker 4: changed in that regard. So you can't rest your head
Speaker 4: on this. Yeah, we're gonna draft, Well, that's not a
Speaker 4: sure thing going forward. Well, and then you talk about
Speaker 4: the cap space. You don't have top three players at
Speaker 4: three different positions in every team in the league, right,
Speaker 4: You don't have that, So that's not a fair comparison either.
Speaker 4: So these are all things that you have to take
Speaker 4: into consideration. And are you, as a fan, willing if
Speaker 4: you know, if you feel comfortable and confident. And we've
Speaker 4: been spoiled, from Mike McCarthy's standpoint for the last three
Speaker 4: years to get twelve wins seasons, and this year you
Speaker 4: might even still find a way to get a winning season.
Speaker 4: Are you willing to take one, two, maybe three years
Speaker 4: of losing for another coach to come in here and
Speaker 4: establish his system.
Speaker 6: Yeah, That's where I'm at with it, Tyrone. Great call,
Speaker 6: by the way, Thank you for calling. Appreciate all the insight.
Speaker 1: I love it because he's asking really real love, he
Speaker 1: really is.
Speaker 5: And and his opinion is valid.
Speaker 6: Yes, there's lack of consistency in the playoffs, playing and
Speaker 6: simple you're one and three in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 6: But if you what he's asking for as a coach
Speaker 6: to come in and immediately take you to the promised lands.
Speaker 4: That's what everybody wants.
Speaker 6: But like the best chance for you to get to
Speaker 6: the promised land is currently in that head coach's office
Speaker 6: across the way.
Speaker 4: If so, look at it from this perspective, I know
Speaker 4: we gotta get out here, listen, get to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: So you, if you have the confidence that your team
Speaker 4: is going to be in position to go to the playoffs,
Speaker 4: with a coach McCarthy right aside from this year where
Speaker 4: you had a gazillion injuries. Would you rather have a
Speaker 4: coach that you just want him to focus have to
Speaker 4: work on one aspect of his coaching, which is getting
Speaker 4: through the playoffs, or would you rather get another coach
Speaker 4: that has to worry about getting to the playoffs and
Speaker 4: then getting through the playoffs as well. That's what you're
Speaker 4: looking at. So you can call that complacent if you
Speaker 4: want to, or you can look at it and say, okay,
Speaker 4: this one, this person needs to work on this one
Speaker 4: aspect and if they if they, if they nail that,
Speaker 4: if they nail that, then guess what we're We're having
Speaker 4: a whole different conversation. Or are you ready to the
Speaker 4: dice and get somebody else in here and be like,
Speaker 4: oh crap, you know what. We thought that was a
Speaker 4: good idea, but oh we just don't know.
Speaker 1: Is it complacency or consistency?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly.
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Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 19: It's hopefully yeah, hopefully on Sunday too. No, so I
Speaker 19: really quickly. I just wanted to say I got two
Speaker 19: under two that I'm at home with right now, and
Speaker 19: your whole production crew. Everybody, Merry Christmas, and thank you
Speaker 19: guys for being here today because you know, I know
Speaker 19: you all are probably stressing about some personal stuff too,
Speaker 19: right that you got to get done. So it's awesome
Speaker 19: that you guys are still put on our show today
Speaker 19: and I appreciate that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Thanks Josh, appreciate it. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas to year two,
Speaker 6: and I hope Santa brings them everything that they ask.
Speaker 19: Oh, yes, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: No, thanks to Patrick who's not here.
Speaker 19: Yeah, he's out there on a RP island right now, right, I.
Speaker 6: Love it, Josh, appreciate your call as always, Merry Christmas
Speaker 6: and say hello to the little ones for us.
Speaker 5: Appreciate you as always, right, Yeah.
Speaker 19: Oh sorry, I just got to make one quick point
Speaker 19: on if I can. Yeah, So, on the Mike McCarthy contract,
Speaker 19: I called last week, I said, you know, two years,
Speaker 19: and I think like you got to keep them on
Speaker 19: a short least, maybe get a different play caller in there.
Speaker 19: But at the consistency of twelve and five straight seasons,
Speaker 19: you can't just let that go and go unnoticed. The
Speaker 19: playoffs are what the playoffs are, right man. Playoffs are
Speaker 19: a different game, as Isaiah will probably say. But I
Speaker 19: do have a question for Isaiah more than anybody, I think,
Speaker 19: looking at McCarthy, it's been almost like the culture has
Speaker 19: been the culture of winning the last three seasons, and
Speaker 19: I kind of wonder is that actually a culture because
Speaker 19: you look around the league at some of these other
Speaker 19: teams like Detroit, that's more of a culture of like
Speaker 19: grit and fighting. But is winning itself a culture? And
Speaker 19: that's kind of what I wanted to ask, is more
Speaker 19: than anybody, But thanks, guys, have a great day, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4: Thanks. Now that's a really good question. And yes, winning
Speaker 4: is a culture. It's an expectation of It is an
Speaker 4: expectation of a certain level of excellence.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So certain things are not tolerated, and you can say
Speaker 4: those things aren't tolerated in most places. But here in
Speaker 4: Dallas you've you've always seen that they've found a way
Speaker 4: to win ball games or at least always competitive in
Speaker 4: a position to win ball games. You can't say that
Speaker 4: about every organization. And when you come into certain programs, right,
Speaker 4: there's an understanding of how to go about your business
Speaker 4: there just is when I when I was here in Dallas,
Speaker 4: there is a way to go about your business. When
Speaker 4: I went to New England, it was a hello, it
Speaker 4: was totally different, right, And those are cultural changes based
Speaker 4: upon the leadership that's in the building, and in Dallas
Speaker 4: there is they have their own unique way. But when
Speaker 4: you step on that field, there's never a time in
Speaker 4: past years where you felt like Dallas is about to
Speaker 4: get blown out. I think there's only one team really earlier.
Speaker 5: This year was the only time I felt that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean I go back to, you know,
Speaker 4: there's only one team in recent years when you play them,
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, this is probably not going to go well.
Speaker 4: And that was the forty nine ers. Yeah, and the
Speaker 4: forty nine you just felt like the forty nine ers
Speaker 4: just had Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They had their numbers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had their number So, I mean, and that
Speaker 4: was a physicality thing, that was a mentality, but outside
Speaker 4: of that, you always felt like you were going to
Speaker 4: be competitive. So, yes, winning is a culture, but it
Speaker 4: takes time and it takes a foundation to establish that.
Speaker 4: And so when we're talking to people and getting these
Speaker 4: opinions in regards to bringing to somebody else, understand that
Speaker 4: you're an etching sketch and you're you're just shaking it up, right,
Speaker 4: and you have a blank slate, and now you want
Speaker 4: that person to come in, and you're asking that person
Speaker 4: to not only come in and supersede what the twelve
Speaker 4: and five coach did, but supersede that and then go
Speaker 4: past the where he went in the playoffs. That's just
Speaker 4: that's wishful thinking. Yeah, it's wishful thinking.
Speaker 6: And it may happen. It may happen, but may is
Speaker 6: like hope, and we know hope's not a strategy. It's
Speaker 6: the same thing on the opposite. And you could hire
Speaker 6: or you could extend Mike McCarthy in to go south.
Speaker 6: That may happen, but that's why you play the game, absolutely.
Speaker 5: Why it happens.
Speaker 6: And I think you got to look at it from
Speaker 6: a pure I don't want to say analytical because that's
Speaker 6: not true.
Speaker 5: It's more more so a feel.
Speaker 6: It's more so you got to look inward and say,
Speaker 6: who's game is going to give us the best shot
Speaker 6: to do what we want to do, which is get
Speaker 6: to an NFC title game, and that's win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Who's going to give you the best shot to do it?
Speaker 6: If you sit there, as Jerry Jones in your your
Speaker 6: office upstairs and you say, Mike Vrabel's that guy, Sure
Speaker 6: go ahead, get it done. If you can sit there
Speaker 6: and you say Mike McCarthy's that guy, I think I
Speaker 6: would agree with you say there's a shot there too.
Speaker 5: You've got to make that decision. This front office has
Speaker 5: got to make that decision.
Speaker 6: We heard the great call from Tyrone, which I'm going
Speaker 6: to say it again, that's a phenomenal call. He brought
Speaker 6: up a lot of great points, and I think it's
Speaker 6: a lot of what the fans are thinking about right now.
Speaker 5: And I get it, I really do.
Speaker 6: There's a frustration with the way that they played in
Speaker 6: the playoffs, but he said, you got to squeeze all
Speaker 6: of what you can out of the roster.
Speaker 5: You're seeing that right now.
Speaker 6: We've got a guy in Josh's Chicago mentioning Carl Lawson
Speaker 6: and what he said after the game, who the heck
Speaker 6: is Karl Lawson?
Speaker 7: For this season?
Speaker 6: Nobody would have known who the heck Carl Lawson was.
Speaker 6: Now you do, and he's one of the top guys
Speaker 6: on the in this pass rush. A lot of that
Speaker 6: has to do with the culture of winning and squeezing
Speaker 6: the rest out of that limon like they're doing right now.
Speaker 5: And I get it.
Speaker 6: It's a draft and develop organization, and you get a
Speaker 6: lot of these guys, plain and simple. They've whiffed on
Speaker 6: two drafts so far, back to back, and that's part
Speaker 6: of why you're having some problems.
Speaker 8: That's tough to say true, but it's true Whift completely.
Speaker 1: I think it's tough.
Speaker 6: We the one guy that we are I would say
Speaker 6: two guys and they're both linebackers, de Marvin Overshown, who
Speaker 6: we won't see until twenty twenty six. And the other
Speaker 6: guy you feel pretty good about it is Mary Sleafu Yeah,
Speaker 6: and Cooper b B.
Speaker 1: I guess Cooper BB up front.
Speaker 6: So maybe not Whift, but let's say they like fouled
Speaker 6: one off a couple of times and they they may
Speaker 6: have hit a seeing ice single up the middle.
Speaker 8: I would say the last two drafts have not been perfect,
Speaker 8: but I don't know who has had a perfect draft.
Speaker 1: I mean it's other than the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Like this game of football, it's really this game of football.
Speaker 4: Top is not a sure thing, No, like, it's just not. Man,
Speaker 4: it's hard. It's hard. And I know from fan standpoint,
Speaker 4: people get behind their brand and they rock with them
Speaker 4: and they have a level of expectation, but crap's a hard.
Speaker 4: Man is really difficult, and it changes every year.
Speaker 8: And I guarantee you if just case in point, the
Speaker 8: Lions they make it to of course they're going to
Speaker 8: the playoffs. They don't get to the Super Bowl. They
Speaker 8: don't win the Super Bowl, they take a step back
Speaker 8: next year. Are the fans gonna be upset? Are the
Speaker 8: fans going to be like.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and there's going to because they're gonna have
Speaker 4: a lot of change. They're probably gonna lose both of
Speaker 4: their coordinators probably.
Speaker 8: So you'd expect the fans then to Are they going
Speaker 8: to be positive about it, like all right, guys, we'll
Speaker 8: get back or are they going to expect because they've
Speaker 8: been spoiled from this year, like well, we got to
Speaker 8: go right back to the super Bowl, right, No, we're
Speaker 8: gonna go right back to it.
Speaker 5: They're happy to be there.
Speaker 4: They are most likely going to lose both of their coordinators.
Speaker 4: There's gonna be a ton of change there, just like
Speaker 4: there's change because.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be highly sought up.
Speaker 4: They're gonna be highly sought out for. They stay. Both
Speaker 4: of their coordinators stayed last year, they're not staying again.
Speaker 5: Didn't Philly lose both of their coordinators last year? Yeah,
Speaker 5: they're still winning the games. Anyways, let's continue, So we'll
Speaker 5: talk again on Thursday. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 6: Everybody have some fun over the next couple of days.
Speaker 6: Happy Holidays for all those who celebrate as well.
Speaker 5: We love you all.
Speaker 6: Thank you for calling in, Thank you for all the
Speaker 6: support throughout the season. Here on Talking Cowboys, and we
Speaker 6: will talk to you again Thursday. We're gonna do a
Speaker 6: show and tell with with Josh's Oculus and his brand
Speaker 6: new Yes give him Santa.
Speaker 4: Everybody meet at Josh's house all right for Josh Ryder.
Speaker 6: You guys, Isaiah stand back, Chris Beam in the Back'm
Speaker 6: Kyle Yeoman saying so long.
Speaker 5: We'll see you on Thursday. Merry Christmas, Cowboys Nation.
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