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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four

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Speaker 1: O two, and today in the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Spencer new Hearth to review the top events, trends, and

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Speaker 1: nationwide lessons we can all learn from the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: hunting season. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X, and today we are

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about twenty twenty for the last time.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to look back on that year anymore

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Speaker 1: after today. But what we want to do is something

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Speaker 1: that we we've done most years with me is Spencer

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Speaker 1: new Hearth and the two of us are going to

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Speaker 1: kind of wrap a bow on our rout Fresh radio series. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you guys here year after year. You know what we do.

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Speaker 1: We hear from hunters all across the country every week,

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Speaker 1: find out what kind of activities going on the woods,

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Speaker 1: what different factors like whether or I don't know, hunting

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Speaker 1: pressure or dear behavior are changing what we as hunters

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Speaker 1: should be doing. So we cover that all year. But

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Speaker 1: now here in Spencer and I want to look back

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Speaker 1: on the year kind of review what were some of

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Speaker 1: the notable things that happened, and what can we learn

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Speaker 1: from that, What can we take from and apply to

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Speaker 1: our plans and beyond. Um, there's no better way than

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Speaker 1: reflecting on the past and and thinking about it in

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Speaker 1: a pointed way. So Spencer, that's that's what I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: we can do here. UM. Are you game for that? Absolutely? Um.

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Speaker 1: If if each rut Fresh episode is like a micro

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Speaker 1: look at deer movement, then this is going to be

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Speaker 1: the macro look, and it's something that we've done um

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Speaker 1: d Fresh itself, we've done for five years now. I

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Speaker 1: think this is our third year of doing one of

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Speaker 1: these sort of big UM put a bow on it

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Speaker 1: episodes where we look at the year past and now.

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Speaker 1: After doing this for three years, these recap episodes, there's

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Speaker 1: a few things that jump out at me Um when

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Speaker 1: looking back on the fall, and I'm excited to talk

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Speaker 1: about those in this episode. So you you, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you said about it. And number two, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: you do this thing in the regular Fresh episodes where

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Speaker 1: you ask the guest uh to rate you know, dear

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Speaker 1: activity on a one through ten scale for the past

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Speaker 1: seven days, and then what they expect for the next

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Speaker 1: seven days. So to kick this off, if if you

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Speaker 1: can force yourself to zoom out, all right, imagine you

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Speaker 1: can see yourself sitting in your chair right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: probably maybe you're sitting in your hot tub. Maybe you're

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Speaker 1: surrounded by rocks, all your little collected rocks on the

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Speaker 1: table and the carpeting around you, and maybe two cats

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Speaker 1: on the couch. I would expect if you can zoom

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Speaker 1: out and not only see yourself in this moment, but

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Speaker 1: zoom out and see the entire past, you know, five

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Speaker 1: months of the hunting season, and answer this question, which

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Speaker 1: was if you had to write the quality of the

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Speaker 1: season on a one through ten scale, if you were to,

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Speaker 1: you know, look at all the different factors that affected

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Speaker 1: it and and come to some macro quality quality. What

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Speaker 1: am I trying to say here, some macro determination of

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Speaker 1: the general quality of the season as compared to previous

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Speaker 1: years that we've done this. How would you rate the weather,

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Speaker 1: the factors that all impacted us across the country. My

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Speaker 1: preference would be marked that we saved this question at

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Speaker 1: the end, Um, we now have it's to keep people

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Speaker 1: around for like the next fifty minutes. But I think, um,

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to see where this goes before

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Speaker 1: I give you a number. Alright, fine, I'll let you.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you keep us, keep us wondering, and let

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Speaker 1: the anticipation grow. So so that said, then I know

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Speaker 1: you've you've given this some thought, You've kind of reviewed

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Speaker 1: We saw increased license sales for spring turkey, we saw

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Speaker 1: So what did that mean? UM? I remember talking to

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Speaker 1: the COVID thing, if you were hunting someplace in like

433
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: during the rout or during late October, and you're now

434
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: sort of like basing what you saw in an egg

435
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: heavy area based on like that five day window, it's

436
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: maybe not the reality of how thing this really are

437
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: for that property, because when you have all that standing

438
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: corn and all that standing beings, it can sort of

439
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: like mask the rut. And and it was something that

440
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: every single person we talked to you in the Midwest

441
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: in from like mid October to mid November talked about that, like, oh,

442
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: we have perfect weather this weekend, um, but we have

443
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of standing crops everywhere. It was it was

444
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: just a reality of and so that was not the

445
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: case you probably if you hunted the same exact places

446
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: from from mid October to mid November, you probably saw

447
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: a lot different um deer patterns and probably a stronger

448
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: rout because you didn't have so much deer movement masked

449
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: by thousands of acres of standing corn. Yeah, that's um.

450
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: It was definitely noticeable for a lot of people, like

451
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: you said, and I personally experienced this. I experienced sit

452
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: to a to an even greater degree than that. And

453
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: in folks who have heard my stories about the season, no,

454
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: maybe no where I'm going here with this, but I

455
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: had a situation where my main properties where folks got

456
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: their crops out so early and we're so ahead of

457
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: the game that they started doing stuff that they almost

458
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: never do around me at least, which was they were

459
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: disking under their crops in October. So, you know, on

460
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: on one of these properties that have hunted for a decade, now,

461
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: this is the first time in ten eleven years that

462
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: I had no food on these properties. Usually the harvest

463
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, the beans in uh sometime in October. They'll

464
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: pick the corn sometime in early November, and then that

465
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: stuff stays out there the picked fields until the next spring.

466
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of waste grain that these dear

467
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: feet on. But for me, I had three different fields

468
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: around me that provide almost hundreds of acres of food

469
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: usually that one of them in October, one of them

470
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: in November, and one of them in December were plowed

471
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: under to completely dirt, nothing but dirt, um and that

472
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: just wiped out food and it completely turned you know,

473
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: the dear patterns on their head, I mean, stuff was

474
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: completely different. I've never had hunting like this before. It

475
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: wiped out some of my best spots all of a

476
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: sudden became dear deserts. So so for me, and this

477
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: is a unique maybe to some people, but maybe other

478
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: people experience the same thing, I'm not sure. For me,

479
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: what it put into my mind is that I really

480
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: need to have a plan for that in future years.

481
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: I can't count on crop fields to be the food

482
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: source that I can count on all year long. UM.

483
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: So this spring my plans to do more scouting to

484
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: better understand, you know, what are the masked options where

485
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: some of these little hidy hole spots that deer might

486
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: start using more if that happens again next year or

487
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: five years down the road. UM, I'm also gonna try to,

488
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, in the spots that I can do it

489
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of spots where I can do

490
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: some small food plots and stuff. I'm going to you know,

491
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: put more quantity of food out next year than I

492
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: did this year, because this year I got really funky

493
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: with trying to be really small and strategic UM, and

494
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: then I had no other food and these food sources

495
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: got destroyed earlier, and then I had nothing for late season.

496
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna let myself go into late season without

497
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: high quality late season food source again in in this

498
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: spot that I can do that. UM for the spots

499
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: where I can't manage things public land spots I hunt

500
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: or some private land by permission, I just need to

501
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: have this goes back to what we mentioned earlier. I

502
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: need more plans, C, D, E and f UM, you know,

503
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: and the same thing goes for you know, next year.

504
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: We might have a similar situation that we had three

505
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: years ago or two years ago with crops standing forever.

506
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: So you just gotta think about both what are you

507
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: gonna do in each different scenario. Have a plan in

508
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: place ahead of time so that you're not trying to

509
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: figure this out on November five, when you're halfway through

510
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: your trip and you don't have time to prepare. You

511
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: just have to hunt, um trying to figure that stuff

512
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: out now or in March or in June, so that

513
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: once October or November gets here, you're just simply executing

514
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: on a plan, whether that's Plan A or B or G.

515
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: And I think now with you're probably have seen both

516
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: ends of the spectrum as far as crops staying in

517
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: very late and crops coming out very early. It's probably

518
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: not what you're going to see on average years going forward.

519
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: But now that you've you've sort of seen both ends

520
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: of the spectrum, like you said, Mark, you can plan

521
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: for those different events. What I think this is gonna

522
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: make what I think this is gonna be hard to

523
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: do now is if you're hunting a new area that

524
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: you showed up on twenty nine, that you showed up

525
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: in twenty it's probably gonna be hard to like develop

526
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: some store of historical patterns um for deer herds, if

527
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: you're in an egg heavy area learning a new place

528
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: for like late October over the last couple of seasons

529
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: because of these weird harvests that we've had, and we

530
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: talk about historical patterns a lot mark on rot Fresh

531
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 1: Radio and what I mean by that is like knowing

532
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: how a deer herd um sort of functions on a

533
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: landscape from the first day of the season to the

534
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: last day of the season, with some predictability around, like

535
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: here's where they're going to be in early October, here's

536
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: where they're going to be at the end of October,

537
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: here's where they're gonna be in mid November, etcetera. It's

538
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: going to be hard to use a lot of the

539
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: information that you got over these last two years because

540
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: of like the sort of extreme examples that we've seen

541
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: now with with harvest in That's a great point and

542
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: you really need to try to take note of that somewhere.

543
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: So don't just you know, you can take deer movement

544
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: or a deer sighting or something, and then you try

545
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: to tie that back to something and you could say, well,

546
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: this happened because of the time of year, or this

547
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: happened because of the weather. Well, now make sure you

548
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: add the factor of, well, this was happening while we

549
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: had standing corn all the way into December, or this

550
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: was happening when we had a dirt field in October. Um,

551
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: try to keep track of that somewhere so that you

552
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: can look back on things as you mentioned, Spencer and

553
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: make sure you have that context. Um. You know, I

554
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: actually wrote about something that's pretty relevant to this. It

555
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: was it was focused mostly on the impact of crop

556
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: rotations and how that impacts deer movement. But it's it's

557
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: pretty similar to this discussion too as far as when

558
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: crops come out versus stay in, and it doesn't just

559
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: impact the foods that are available. And you alluded to

560
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: this with how corn can mask you know, running activity,

561
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: how standing corn can mask what you see, Well, it

562
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: also completely changes where dear bed because you know, this

563
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: is something that I got a quote from John Eberhard about.

564
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: He talked about how standing corn offers you know, sometimes

565
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: the very best bedding and feeding in the same place.

566
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: So when you have hundreds or thousands of acres of

567
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: standing corn, not only does that just visually keep you

568
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: from being all the activities happening, but it also keeps

569
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: deer from using other betting areas. So you'll have all

570
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: this activity happening in the middle of these fields you

571
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: can't see, and then you know other bedding areas within

572
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: the timber or elsewhere aren't being used when that stuff

573
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: comes out, not only is there a lot more space

574
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: that's visible, but now you will have deer relocating to

575
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: those other areas too, So it's not just changing a

576
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: food pattern, it's also changing a betting pattern, and and

577
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: across the board all the transitions between there, here and there.

578
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Another thing to think about is how standing corn impacts

579
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: the adjacent cover. So you know, deer might use uh

580
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: patches short grass, like a little finger of grass. Maybe

581
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: that goes out into a standing corn field. That might

582
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: be an area that gets a lot of use when

583
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: they're standing corn there because it still feels secluded and

584
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: it's this kind of transition zone maybe or socializing area.

585
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: But as soon as that standing corn's gone, now what

586
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: used to be a pretty nice little spot for deer

587
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: is wide open and they don't feel comfortable there. So

588
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: there's there's this cascading effect of impacts when the crops

589
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: come in or out like that. So I bring that

590
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: all up to just caution anyone thinking through some kind

591
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: of I don't know, trying to pin certain things to

592
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: this change we're discussing. Think about all the ripple effects.

593
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: Think about how the standing corn or the dirt field,

594
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: or the lack of food or the changing bedding areas

595
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: has changed all this different dear behavior and and maybe

596
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: maybe going down this strow just leads to a lot

597
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: of confusion. But I also do believe that if you

598
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: see all the pieces of the puzzle clearly, it's going

599
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: to help you put the pieces back together again. And

600
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of interesting, unique puzzle pieces related

601
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: to crop rotation and harvests. So it's a good thing

602
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: to be thinking about now. And when you're laying in

603
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: bed one night and can't fall asleep, um and want

604
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: to be thinking about hunting, it might be an interesting

605
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: thing to ponder and uh, come up, come with some

606
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: conclusions for next season. Yeah. I think historical patterns are

607
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: so important and that can be a whole bunch of

608
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: seper factors like when cattle are moved around, or when

609
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: youth season opened, or when uh an upland bird season

610
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: open to whatever that is. And the thing that you

611
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: talked about there with crop rotations and crops coming in

612
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: and out, um, I think have a really heavy impact

613
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: on this on those historical patterns. So something to take

614
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: note of in and going forward for everybody, you know,

615
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: I'll say one more thing before you move on, Spencer is.

616
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: We were just discussed like all these different factors that

617
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: could impact how you pattern deer and how they're changing

618
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: so much. And as I was talking through all that,

619
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: I had two voices in my head. Had one voice

620
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: in my head that was saying, like, you know, oh,

621
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: think about how this could impact things, and think about

622
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: how this could impact things. Yeah, yeah, Yetta, And that

623
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: was the voice that was talking out aloud to all

624
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: of you. Then there was this other voice in my

625
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: head that was saying, Jesus, this sounds like a quick

626
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: way to get confused as hell. And I would say

627
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: that the way to deal with that, the way to

628
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: actually make some sense out of these things. Probably a

629
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: simple tool to help you do that is journaling, so

630
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: writing down all these things that were happening and and

631
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: having that alongside of what you saw. So this is

632
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: something that I've talked about in the past, wanting to do,

633
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: and some seasons I've gotten started with it. Some seasons

634
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: I've never gotten started with it. But inevitably I've yet

635
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: to complete an entire season doing a good job of this.

636
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: And I hate myself for doing that because I know

637
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: a lot of very good hunters that do this every year,

638
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: and they do it well. So they track each one

639
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: of their hunts, what they see, what the weather was like,

640
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: what the all the different factors were that were going on. Right,

641
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: then they track all that where they went, what the

642
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: win direction was, so on, and then you know, next

643
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: year when they're trying to plan their season, or ten

644
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: years from now, when you have another year where the

645
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: crops come out early, you can say, oh, you know what,

646
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: this reminds me a lot of what happened that one

647
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: season when I killed Trent. What you was like, Oh,

648
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: that was en alright, I gonna go back to my journal,

649
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: find the twenty nineteen season, and if you have that documented,

650
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: if you have that written down, you actually can get

651
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: an accurate understanding of what happened when it was like

652
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: this before. Um, that's that's a lot harder to do

653
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: accurately if it's all just stored in your head. So

654
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: so maybe for me, a takeaway out of this is

655
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: that I really need to get better at following through

656
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: on my little journaling idea, because it seems like the simplest,

657
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: most effective way to keep track of these things, all

658
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: of these things that we talked about on Refresh Radio, Honestly,

659
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: all of this could help you. You know, you could

660
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: better take action on the stuff we talked about by

661
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: having a journal and keeping track of what happened is

662
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: in your own world. UM, there's there's my resolution. I'm

663
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: doing that this season. I gotta do it. I like it,

664
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: I like And that's UM just another example of having

665
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: sort of a macro look at deer hunting. Like this

666
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: episode is a macero look at there's value in it, UM.

667
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: But you still need that trailer camera and tell that

668
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: in season scouting boots on the ground stuff like that,

669
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: UM is even more valuable, UM, or just as valuable

670
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: is that that historical patterns and that macro look. Let's

671
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: move on to the rut mark. UM. Something we don't

672
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: talk about a whole lot and and we sort of

673
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: only dedicate like one UM intro a year on rut

674
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: fresh is the moon and the rutting moon in was

675
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: on October thirty one. This was supposed to make for

676
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: a good rutting moon or a sinc rut. That's not

677
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: what we had in Do you remember the exact date

678
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: of that mark. I feel like it was a little

679
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: bit earlier, and it was supposed to have um like

680
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: a drawn out rut or stronger movement in like those

681
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: early October twenty days. Do you recall exactly what was gosh,

682
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: I don't. For some reason I was jumping to I

683
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: thought it was later. I thought it was like November four,

684
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: but that you know, they all kind of blurred together now,

685
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: so I wish I could tell you. Yeah, Well, maybe

686
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: maybe what we just touched on there speaks volumes to

687
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: how we view the rutting moon when we we can't

688
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: recall like I I feel like I know cold or

689
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: cold front dates very well in my head, but I

690
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: can't recall just the rutting moon that was two seasons ago.

691
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: It's good point. So the rutting moon was supposed to

692
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: be on October thirty one this year, like I said,

693
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: I was supposed to make for a stronger rut. Do

694
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on this mark about twenties running moon? Man?

695
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: My only thought is the same thing that we touch

696
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: on most years, same thing I've written about on on

697
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: the on the website, which is maybe there's a little

698
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: bit of some kind of bump in how the moon

699
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: impacts some amount of daylight activity, But it really is

700
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: is very clear across a wide various studies, array of

701
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: studies that the moon does not impact the timing of breeding.

702
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't impact when deer actually breed. Uh, that's going

703
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: to happen. When it's going to happen because of other factors,

704
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: mostly that being photo period, which is the amount of

705
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: daylight which is impacting hormone levels and deer, which impacts

706
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: when deer are ready to breed. That stuff happens across

707
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: most parts of the country, year after year after year

708
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: at basically the same time. Um Now, there certainly are

709
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: other factors that can increase or dear decrease what we

710
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: see of that what we actually see when we're hunting

711
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: during the day. And you know, certainly people point to

712
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: the moon is being one of those things that maybe

713
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: could impact what we see. I have kept tabs on it,

714
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I've watched for it. I just I I have not

715
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: seen enough two be really impressed with it to to

716
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: say that I can prove without a doubt that, man,

717
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: there's some strong anecdotal evidence at least that this thing

718
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: makes a difference. Um So, I I just don't. I

719
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: just don't give it much credence. I understand that some

720
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: people do keep tabs on it, but it's it's yet

721
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: to outweigh the other factors for me, that being the

722
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: date on the calendar, and then yes, some temperature stuff.

723
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: I've found some weather related stuff can either increase or

724
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: decrease some of the visible activity. So ah, I don't know.

725
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: It's a thing to talk about. It is a thing

726
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: to look at, but I don't ever let it impact

727
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: how I time my hunts, where I hunt, when I hunt,

728
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: and um and I I guess there's not much more

729
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: say than that spencer I've said. I've used analogy in

730
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: the past, but for me, it's like bigfoot stuff. Like

731
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm wildly interested in the subject of bigfoot. I want

732
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: to watch TV shows about bigfoot. I want to read

733
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: articles about bigfoot. I want to hear your first hand

734
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: experience with bigfoot. But at the end of the day,

735
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: and like gun to my head, I don't really believe

736
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: that bigfoot is real. And I don't really believe that

737
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: rutting moon has helped me or hurt me kill a deer. Um.

738
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: So that's that's sort of how I feel about it.

739
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: And a few years ago Mark we wrote a piece

740
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: for matthews website sort of looking at like the two

741
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: sides of the coin on on both like extreme examples,

742
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: like the rutting mood absolutely matters, and then the other

743
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: side being the rutting mood absolutely does not matter. And uh,

744
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: this is very specific to this analogy, but I remember

745
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: seeing that the same percentage of deer hunters as the

746
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: same percentage of general population believe that moon impacts dear

747
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: movement also believe in Bigfoot, and so I now I

748
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: like that analogy even more after seeing that. Is that

749
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: for real? Yeah, that's for real. I have to look

750
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: back at the specific number, but it was like it

751
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: was within like a couple of percentage points of each other.

752
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: That's so I like that. Let's let's talk about some

753
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: more tangible things though. This year's rut was a very

754
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: warm rut, not even warm for some areas, just damn

755
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: or just downright hot. I recall like being in South

756
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: Dakota on I don't know, like November four and getting

757
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: in my pickup to drive out from my afternoon hunt,

758
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: and the pickup was like damn near reading eighty degrees.

759
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: It was just a really hot year. And I think

760
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of hunters when they set their rut

761
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: cation they sort of pick like the first weekend of

762
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: November or the second weekend of November, and that was

763
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: just sort of how the calendar fell this year. Like

764
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: November one through November seven was a Sunday through Saturday.

765
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: November eight through November fourteen was November. Excuse me. November

766
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: eight through November fourteen was a Sunday through a Saturday. Again,

767
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: So you basically had those first seven days of the

768
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: second seven days if you were picking a Roucasian. For

769
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: most guys, if you picked that first seven days, you

770
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: probably had super warm weather um, regardless of what part

771
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: of the country you were in. And if you had

772
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: that second set of seven days, then you probably had

773
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: whether that you were more excited about. For a lot

774
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: of places in the Midwest, there was some snow, You

775
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: had these north winds that you expect there to be

776
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: in November, but just a week prior that wasn't the case.

777
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit earlier, market, and

778
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: that's not like talking about not putting a whole lot

779
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: of stock into cold or warm weather during the rut um.

780
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: I still feel that's the case, and I'm sure if

781
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: I listened back on that episode where I was doing

782
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: my routcation in South Dakota, I was cursing the weather.

783
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of an extreme example, though,

784
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: when you have these daytime highs that are damn near

785
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: like record highs. I think looking back, it was the

786
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: the warmest in ben since like and prior to seen

787
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: it was the warmest city Bend and like seven or

788
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: eight years or something like that. So I a lot

789
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: of hunters, if they were unsuccessful in that first seven

790
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: days of November, we're probably cursing the weather. And if

791
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: you picked that second set of seven days, you probably

792
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: felt really good about your choice. So here's what I

793
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: would say about it. Um different than the weather in

794
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: the early season September or October. Those those cold fronts

795
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: that we talked about that were so important, those fronts

796
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: that would come through, would you know, push me or

797
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: you to hunt when maybe we wouldn't hunt, or push

798
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: us to hunt one of our best spots when maybe

799
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: we would not hunt one of our best spots. I

800
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: would tell you that when you get to the first

801
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: couple of weeks in November. While I like cold weather

802
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: during that time of year, and while I will certainly

803
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: probably see better activity through a larger portion of the

804
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: day with that colder weather. I'm not going to let

805
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: the warm weather keep me from hunting or keep me

806
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: from hunting good spots. So I guess what I'm saying

807
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: there is that while the coal front is certainly helpful,

808
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: it should not dictate as much of your strategy as

809
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: I think it should in October or September um, because

810
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: at those times of year, the weather might be the

811
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: only thing that's pushing dear to to move more than usual.

812
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: During November, during the rut, there's this really huge, freaking

813
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: thing that's pushing dear to do crazy stuff, which is

814
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: the fact that they want to procreate, and that makes

815
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: deer do some wacky things, and it makes them move

816
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: more in daylight, and it makes them move more in general,

817
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: and it gives deer hunters opportunities. And if you waste

818
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: any of those opportunities because you're sitting on the couch

819
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: instead of being out there when you could be, you're

820
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: making a mistake. Um, even on these crazy hot days,

821
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: while the activity most likely is less than it would

822
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: be otherwise and you're not gonna have as good of

823
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: a hunt, it's still going to be you know, they're

824
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: still gonna be the possibility of having those great moments.

825
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: I had several really great hunts during these super hot

826
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: days when you know, as we talked about earlier this year,

827
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: I talked, I told, I've told the story about how

828
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: I kind of had my epiphany about Rott hunts when

829
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: all my buddies killed deer in Iowa when I had

830
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: given up on the hunt because of the weather. Well,

831
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: this year, I said, Nope, warm weather or not, I'm

832
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: going to be out there. So I still haunted on

833
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: those super hot days, and I ended up having an

834
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: encounter with my top target buck in Michigan one day

835
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: on one of those really hot days. Another day, I

836
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: had an encounter with my one of my top target

837
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: bucks on the back forty the draft time buck. And

838
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: then three days later, on a day that would reach

839
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: almost eighty degrees, I killed him. So I again was

840
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: reaffirmed of the need to still be out there and

841
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: still hunt the rut, just like you would hunt the

842
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: Rut any other year, even if it's eighty. Um. Now,

843
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 1: I'll say, like the movement on those days, at least

844
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: for me in my experience, is much more pushed to

845
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: the edges. So when it's thirty degrees and you had

846
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: a big cold come through, and it's November five. You

847
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: might have deer activity all day long. You could have

848
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: great midday hunts. You could have great activity at any

849
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: point in the day. That's what we all dream of

850
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: when it was eighty degrees on November five or whatever. Um,

851
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: it was much more a first couple of hours of

852
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: the day and then last half hour of the day,

853
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: and and that was just the reality of it. But

854
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: you could still have some really good stuff happen in

855
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: those portions. So what I found was that I was

856
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: still going to be out there. I was still gonna

857
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: hunt the mornings, in the evenings. I did not hunt

858
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: as many mid days as I usually might, uh, simply

859
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: because from everything I've seen and what I saw this year,

860
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: it was it was dead in the middle of that

861
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: really hot part of the day. And and my thought

862
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: process here was one I was going to take those

863
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: mid days and check off some important family time and

864
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: then be One of the toughest things about hunting the

865
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: rut when it's hot out is the fact that your

866
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: focus is so much more easily lost when there's these

867
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: long stretches of nothing. So when you've got the cold

868
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: weather and you have activity all day, it's very easy

869
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: to stay on point. It's very easy to to keep

870
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: your eyes on the prize because every half hour or

871
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: every hour you see another deer, you get excited. You're

872
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: thinking it might happen. So for the next hour or two,

873
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: your daying focused, you're scanning, you're being ready, you're doing

874
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: the right things. But on the flip side, when it's

875
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: eighty degrees on November five and after the first couple

876
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: hours of the day, it's dead and you sit out

877
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: there for six more hours and you haven't seen a

878
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: single deer and you're sweating. That's the scenario when it's

879
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: very easy to start looking at Facebook on your phone,

880
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: or fall asleep and taken to halp, or just be

881
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: digging around your backpack for twenty minutes trying to find

882
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: different snacks. And that's when you know bad things happen

883
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: when it gets to the last hour of daylight and

884
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: you're still dicking around and then here comes up buck.

885
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: So I think the biggest trick with hunting the warm

886
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: weather is is staying focused and staying positive. Um, there

887
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: certainly are some strategic things you can do a little

888
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: bit differently on warm weather rut hunts, But I think

889
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: the most important is just keeping the faith and keeping

890
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: on it. If you do that, sticking to regular rut

891
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: spots and knowing that the beginning of the day and

892
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: the end of the day are still gonna be great. Um,

893
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: that's a recipe for success. And I've seen now multiple

894
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: times over the last ten fifteen years that's that's been

895
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: the case. And uh, and this year it paid off

896
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: from me at least. So that's that's my take on

897
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: the hot rut. Did you did you get any other

898
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: ideas or any other perspectives if you look back on

899
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: our episodes we did during that time period, do you

900
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: remember anything else from some of our guests along those

901
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: lines or is it similar to what I just shared.

902
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: It's similar to what you said, and that people are

903
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: still hunting their best spots. They're not like staying out

904
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: of the woods because it's gonna be seventy seven degrees

905
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: at noon. Um. But I recall a few people mentioning

906
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: that water factored into their setups a little bit more

907
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: if they were choosing between two stand locations. Um, that's

908
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: sort of the tiebreaker might be water when it's that

909
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: hot and when you know, boxer up and they're moving

910
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: all day long. And for me, the like warm front

911
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: that we had at the very beginning of November, I

912
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: didn't hate it, maybe as much as other hunters would,

913
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: because I'm somebody who really struggles with all day sits,

914
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: even when um, like the weather is ideal, I just

915
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: get pessimistic. Um I I, like you said, get bored.

916
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: I dick around on my phone or digging around in

917
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: my bag, and so sort of having what I felt

918
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: like was a good excuse to like get out of

919
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: my tree stand from eleven am to one pm and

920
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: and go home and not like be having the back

921
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: of my head that like there's a buck under my

922
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: tree stand right now. I and I confirmed with trail

923
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: cameras later on that that wasn't the case. But it

924
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: like made me feel comfortable to do that for a

925
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: few days in a row. And sort of having the

926
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: ability to do that like allowed me to haunt a

927
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: little bit longer, because coming into my rocation, i'd like

928
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: been on the road hunting for a while. Coming out

929
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: of my rocation, I was gonna be on the road

930
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: hunting for a little while. And it's like you know,

931
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: a day of sleeping in on a hunt, or like

932
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: a day of getting out of your tree stand I

933
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: think can go pretty far in like keeping you in

934
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: the game a little bit longer for you know, another

935
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: day down the road or something like that. And so

936
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: the rut in when we had these like crazy warm

937
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: after neon temperatures, I didn't hate it because, like you said,

938
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: I was confident that I wasn't missing out on something big.

939
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: It could have bait me in the ass, but it

940
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: didn't as far as I know. This fall. Yeah, yeah,

941
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's funny. I've I've had a real change

942
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: of heart when it comes to this too, where for

943
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: a lot of years I have always been an advocate for,

944
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: especially to myself, of you know, if there's a chance,

945
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: you gotta be out there, so hunt every single day

946
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: all day. You know, no excuses, play a champion, uh,

947
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, etcetera, etcetera. And and I'm kind of switching

948
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: it up now where I'm seeing the burnout effects of

949
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: hunting all day and you know how that can result

950
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: in you losing focus, uh, losing some of the fun um,

951
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: hurting relationships with family, that kind of stuff, And and now.

952
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I'm getting old, maybe it's because I've

953
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: got kids. Um, but I but this year, especially maybe

954
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: last year a little bit too, I've started to realize,

955
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, just what you just said, Spencer. You know,

956
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: taking a morning off, or taking the middle of the

957
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: day off and having lunch with the kids, or taking

958
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: a little nap or having a nice meal, that kind

959
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: of stuff can do so much to restore your energy

960
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: and your focus later on, and and you're fun. And again,

961
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: like everyone listening knows, I am over the top in

962
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: a lot of ways about hunting. I really put a

963
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: lot of pressure to to get better, to learn more,

964
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: to do better, etcetera, etcetera. But if any of this stuff,

965
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: if any of these goals or you know, arbitrary plans

966
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: you put on your your hunting, if any of that

967
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: stuff keeps you from enjoying it, then what the hell

968
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: are we doing? So so that's something that that each

969
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: year I'm learning a little bit more about and and

970
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: I think it relates to this, I'm not gonna feel

971
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: as guilty as I used to about, you know, coming

972
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day and and doing that

973
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Yeah, I might reduce my chances to

974
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: kill a buck at that time period, but at what expense.

975
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: So um, So that's that's that's a takeaway from me,

976
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: all right, Mark, Well, let's now move to late season.

977
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: Um And and this is a pretty mackerel look at

978
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: like post rut and the month of December in general,

979
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: but a lot of the country had very mild weather.

980
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: If I think back to Rut Fresh episodes, um for

981
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: in December, I recall a lot of pessimistic hunters that

982
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: I talked to you because the weather just wasn't there.

983
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: And that was often like the takeaway after an interview

984
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: that it's like, oh, I think the movement this weekend

985
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: is going to be a four out of ten. But

986
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: if we get that weather, um that there's a you know,

987
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: chance of snow and the temperatures draft another ten degrees,

988
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: then I think it's gonna be an eight out of ten.

989
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: And there was just a lot of hunters telling me

990
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: that for the December episodes. And I'm sure you saw

991
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 1: it in your area. Um And this is probably most

992
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: like important or affected people the most at hunt in

993
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: the Midwest that sort of have a few places in

994
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: mind that they're going to be in the middle of December,

995
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: especially if it's like some gun season or whatever, that

996
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna be hunting these specific food sources in the

997
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,479
Speaker 1: afternoon and there's gonna be uh, you know, forty deer

998
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: rolling into this field or whatever. When you have this

999
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: mild weather and there's a whole bunch of available food

1000
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 1: out there that's still like natural brows and they don't

1001
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: have to congregate to the best and the most obvious

1002
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: food sources. That can make it tough on late season hunters.

1003
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: And I think we had a lot of that for

1004
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: Midwestern white tail hunters in the majority of December. Around

1005
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: like Christmas, we got weather event, but leading up to that,

1006
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: there wasn't a whole lot of weather. I think that

1007
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: would make people excited. I know more you've talked about

1008
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: this in the podcast, You've written about our website, But

1009
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: how important whether it can be for late season white tailors. Yeah,

1010
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: it's it's the exact opposite of what I was just describing.

1011
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: For November. I think that that weather can make or

1012
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: break your late season hunts, especially you know, especially if

1013
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: you're after you know, one of those big old mature

1014
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: bucks that by the time you get to the late season,

1015
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: they have been you know, ran through the ringer by

1016
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: months of hunting, and they really don't want to move

1017
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: a lot. They're trying to conserve energy, they don't want

1018
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: to put themselves in extra danger because they've been dealing

1019
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: with hunters for months now. Um, So these deer are

1020
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: pretty darn conservative whether when it comes to what they're

1021
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: willing to do and when they're willing to do it. Um,

1022
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: you could still you know, see good dear dough movement

1023
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: and young bucks will still be out and about, but

1024
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: at least, you know, unless you've got one of these

1025
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: pristine are a thousand acre preserves where you know, these

1026
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: deer aren't pressured all season. If you're hunting pretty real

1027
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: world stuff. It just seems like the number of times

1028
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: you'll get that big old buck to get on his

1029
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: feet and step out somewhere in the relative open where

1030
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: you might be able to get a shop those days

1031
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: do not happen very often in a given month, And

1032
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: it really seems to be dependent on those weather events,

1033
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: getting that mega cold front um or snow event something

1034
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: like that. And yeah, without it, I mean, you're in

1035
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: a tough spot. It's not like you can't get it

1036
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: done without it, but it's much much more difficult, and

1037
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: this year was certainly example that. I'm really glad that

1038
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: I filled my last buck tag before December because I

1039
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: would have been a tough spot. I don't think I

1040
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: would have got it done. Um in previous years, I

1041
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: could have. This year at least the buck I was

1042
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: trying to kill. This year, Um, he probably would have

1043
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: been unkillable on the properties that I could hunt, both

1044
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: because of the bad weather and because of the whole

1045
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: food thing I mentioned earlier. So um, that said, if

1046
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: you looked at social media and use it as a barometer,

1047
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: once that big cold, snowy weather start hitting around like

1048
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: just I think it was like somewhere around Christmas, like

1049
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 1: you said, and then into early January. Um, if you've

1050
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: been paying attention to stuff the last like ten or

1051
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: fifteen days, for those people that still had seasons opening,

1052
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: there's been a bunch of big deer hit in the

1053
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: ground a lot, and um, and I think it had

1054
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: to do with that. So yeah, I pray for cold

1055
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: weather and snow in December. And when you don't get it,

1056
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: you gotta get creative. And I honestly don't have a

1057
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: good answer for what to do you can. You can

1058
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: seek out sanctuaries, you can get a little more aggressive

1059
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: and try to figure out how to get tighter to

1060
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: bedding at that time of year where maybe they will

1061
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: move a little bit, you know, even with the warmer weather.

1062
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: But that stuff is tough. I mean, you really need

1063
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: to have a strong set of experience and and really

1064
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: uh good knowledge of where this dey're gonna be better

1065
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: at this time of year and what you can get

1066
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: away with. And for a lot of people, that's that's

1067
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: outside the realm of possibility. So hoping for the good

1068
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: weather is always the best case scenario. Yeah. I think

1069
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: back to and I had a muzzle loaders tag in

1070
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: South Dakota which was good for the home month of December,

1071
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: and I ended up killing um pretty late in that season,

1072
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: but almost every single hunt that winter for me, there

1073
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: was snow on the ground. And then I didn't do

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot of hunting this December. But I was down

1075
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: in Kansas at the beginning of December and we just

1076
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: had like terrible weather for most of the time. I

1077
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: was saying, like, man, if we just had that weather,

1078
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: like there'd be shooters out here every morning, every evening.

1079
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. Uh, we still saw a lot

1080
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: of good bucks, but the Cricks property sort of overpowered

1081
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: the poor weather that we had. But if I was

1082
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: in a lesser situation that didn't have um like this,

1083
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: this manicured property for white tails, it would have been

1084
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: really tough to to kill a good buck because of

1085
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: what we just talked about. That mild weather didn't have

1086
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: those bucks up and in the most obvious places. If

1087
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 1: you want to um like, if you this is going

1088
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: to be a thing that happens again, and it happened

1089
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: you know every five years where there's a really mild

1090
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: December and there's no snow and there's warm temperatures and

1091
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Tony Peterson just wrote an article for

1092
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: us on the media dot com called how to kill

1093
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: a late season Buck without hunting Food that talks about

1094
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: some creative ways to address what you and I just

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: talked about, Mark, So i'd encourage you to go and

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01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: give that article a read. Well, Spencer, I think that's

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01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: a good idea. And now that I think we've wrapped

1098
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: up our big takeaways from twenty twenty, unless you've got

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01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: something else you want to add, I would like to

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: get to the question that all of us have been

1101
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: wondering for the last hour, the question that has been

1102
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: gnawing away at me from the inside Spencer hell one

1103
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: through ten scale, How would you rate the overall countrywide

1104
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: quality of the twenty hunting season and the conditions that

1105
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: impacted it overall? Um, I would say something like and

1106
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: eight or seven and a half. I'll do seven and

1107
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: a half. I think the positives that you had were

1108
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: an early harvest, you didn't have the rut masked um

1109
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: by a whole bunch of standing corn. But then the

1110
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: negatives being that you were probably dealing with increased pressure

1111
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: via COVID, and it seemed like we just had we

1112
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: we were dealt an average hand of forecasts, and excuse

1113
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: me of cold frown. I remember when we did the

1114
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: recap episode in we were like, my goodness, you could

1115
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: not have asked for better cold fronts? Is fall like

1116
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: if you pull out a calendar and just circled the

1117
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: saturdays that you want, circled the days in general that

1118
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: you want, a cold fronts would probably be a Saturday.

1119
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: You got them that year. That wasn't really the case, UM.

1120
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: In in so you didn't have great weather, but we

1121
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: had um a better like crop harvest for hunters. So

1122
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: I would say, like a seven and a half. What

1123
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: would your answer be, Mark, I think you're way too generous.

1124
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: Was a bit across the board man, not only everything

1125
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: they happened across the world, but how about I mean

1126
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: you just you just said the same thing as I

1127
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: would say, which was we had well a lot more

1128
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: hunting pressure in places that made people that weren't prepared

1129
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: for it struggle. Then you had the you know, not

1130
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: a lot of great cold fronts. Then you had the

1131
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: warm front and a run, and then you had the

1132
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: lousy warm December. I mean, that's a lot of stuff

1133
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,959
Speaker 1: and you're still giving us like a B. No way,

1134
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: I gotta give us a five. That's a five. That

1135
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: was that's a lot of negativity around factors at least

1136
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: that can that can impact dear movement. So if you

1137
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: had success this year, kudos to you because you dealt

1138
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: with some challenges and you still got it done. And

1139
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: and I don't think, well, knock on wood man, I

1140
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't even say it, but I think one should be better.

1141
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: There's got to be something better coming down the road. Um.

1142
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: That that said, though, I guess let's let's ask that,

1143
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: let's quantify that on a one through ten scale spencer,

1144
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: what do you predict for it's gonna be a tan.

1145
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: I want to I want to bring up a few

1146
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: things that I didn't necessarily address when I was giving

1147
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: my score, and that's thinking about like how bad things

1148
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: could have been if we look at some of the

1149
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: extremes from years in the past, like e h D

1150
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: UM for the last three years on Meat eat Years website,

1151
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: I've written in e h D recap for the country

1152
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: is the most mild one that I've written UM compared

1153
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: to twenty nine or eighteen, So that's a huge plus

1154
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: when UM that can uh often be like a huge negative.

1155
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: So we didn't have the h D thing. They're also

1156
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't think was really widespread flooding in like we

1157
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: dealt with I think he was in twenty nineteen. There

1158
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: was there was a lot of flooding, and that was

1159
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: like what sort of cross caused um this late crop harvest.

1160
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: And if you're somebody that hunts near water, whether it's

1161
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: the edge of a lake or river bottom or creek

1162
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: drandage whatever, um, that can cause like some lost acres

1163
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: for fall and so I think if you weigh those

1164
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: in there, I would agree maybe the seven a half

1165
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: was a little bit optimistic. U. I'm not gonna come

1166
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: all the way down to a five, but I would

1167
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: say like a six and a half or a seven.

1168
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: Now after after we talk this through even more to

1169
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: thorough all right, and you've convinced me, especially the e

1170
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: h D thing, I'll bump it up to a five

1171
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: and a half on mine. So all right, there you go,

1172
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: uh Spencer, thank you for for recapping all this stuff,

1173
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: and and thank you for all your great work all

1174
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: hunting season long, talking to hunters, pulling in these great

1175
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: insights and reports from across the country. UM. It honestly

1176
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: helps me every week. I enjoy it and and it

1177
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: does help give me some something to think about as

1178
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: I planned my own hunts. So kudos do you, man,

1179
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to doing it again this year.

1180
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: Thanks man. I'm also looking forward to season six and

1181
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: we will be back at it in September. I will

1182
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: talk to you guys in nine months. Sounds like a plan,

1183
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: all right, and that's going to do it. I hope

1184
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: you enjoyed that one. Hope we've given you a thing

1185
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: or two to ponder as we head into the planning

1186
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: phase of our next hunting season. And UH, if you're

1187
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: taking a little time from the woods and are looking

1188
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,959
Speaker 1: for something to fill your time and while away these

1189
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: cold wintry days, I've got two quick suggestions for you.

1190
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: Number One, the Back forty show, it's wrapped up, it's done.

1191
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: It's out there on the Mediator YouTube channel. You can

1192
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: binge watch both seasons over there. Check them out. I'm

1193
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: proud of that. There's a lot of work and I'd

1194
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: love for you guys to get to enjoy and experience

1195
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: that story. And speaking of stories, the second recommendation I've

1196
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: got for you is that book I wrote that came

1197
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: out last year, well, I guess two years ago technically

1198
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: as far as the calendar back in twenty nineteen, That

1199
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: Wild Country. It's the story of the history of our

1200
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,479
Speaker 1: public lands and my experiences exploring them, learning about them

1201
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: and try to understand what's going on today and how

1202
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: do we how do we make how do we make

1203
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: we make make sure that these wild places and wild

1204
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: up to hunt and pursue are still out there for

1205
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: future generations. So you can pick that up, uh, in

1206
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: a number of places we've got autograph copies over on

1207
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: the meetater website. You can also pick them up from

1208
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: local book stores. You can buy them on land from Amazon.

1209
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: There's the audio version over on Audible and plenty of

1210
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: places like that. So thank you in advance for all

1211
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: of you who have purchased and read the book over

1212
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And if you're looking for

1213
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: something to feel a little bit of spare time or

1214
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: some cold nights, I think that might be worth checking out.

1215
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: So thank you all again for your time, your tension,

1216
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired to HU.