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Speaker 1: Welcome again, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: you hanging out with us. Buck is out for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the week. He'll be back with me on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Sad news. As we started off the show reporting Hulk Hogan,

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Speaker 1: seventy one years old American Original American icon pasted in

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Speaker 1: the last hour and a half or so, and many

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Speaker 1: reacting to his passing. I asked you, guys, you can

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Speaker 1: send me talkbacks of moments that you remember from Hulk

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Speaker 1: Cogan's career. We're joined now by Bill O'Reilly. In terms

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Speaker 1: of icon you spend a lot of time talking about

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Speaker 1: celebrities and impact and the legacy of fame and all

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Speaker 1: of these I think just tremendously generational and timeless analyses.

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Speaker 1: Where would you put Hulk Hogan on the list of

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Speaker 1: true American original celebrities in that context for which you

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Speaker 2: I interviewed Hogan back when he was probably the top

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Speaker 2: wage earner in the wrestling business, and I think he's

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Speaker 2: the most famous wrestler ever, So, I mean, you don't

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Speaker 2: get more iconic in that industry than that. But what

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Speaker 2: is historical importance? Is is that he destroyed that smear

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Speaker 2: website which was damaging Talker he took down and I

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Speaker 2: admired that because that was the worst. I mean, there

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Speaker 2: was all him and that's what I will remember him

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Speaker 2: for as a journalist the wrestling industry. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: but what he did was he sent a message that

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Speaker 1: You are writing about right now, evil in particular Confronting Evil,

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Speaker 1: Assessing the worst of the Worst. That book is going

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Speaker 1: to come out September ninth, very soon. Yesterday, and we

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Speaker 1: yesterday Brian Koberger was confronted by the family and friends

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Speaker 1: of the four young people that he murdered in cold

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Speaker 1: blood in Idaho. What did you think as you watched

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Speaker 1: that in terms of evil and the fact that he

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Speaker 2: That is singular evil, individual evil, and it's heinous, but

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Speaker 2: it's been in humankind forever. Every sin is the planet,

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Speaker 2: and Neanderthals walked it. It has always been here. Singular evil.

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Speaker 2: What I write about in confronting evil as collective evil,

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Speaker 2: where you have fifteen people that we spotlight inside the

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Speaker 2: book that achieved enormous power, and they did so in

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Speaker 2: a variety of ways, but everyone knew they were evil.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like a debate about it. And yet they

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Speaker 2: millions of people untold suffering. That was my fascination. Now

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Speaker 2: I've covered a lot of stories of my fifty years

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Bill O'Reilly. We open the show talking

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Speaker 1: about the revelations from Tulsea Gabbard surrounding the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: story is and playing it forward, what will the consequences be,

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Speaker 1: if any legally in your mind going forward from the

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Speaker 1: revelations she just shared, Well, Brennan.

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Speaker 2: Has definite criminal potential. The former CIA chief under Obama,

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Speaker 2: the guy according to the House report. Remember this is

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Speaker 2: the House Intelligence Committee, two years after the Senate issure.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of new information there, and it was

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Speaker 2: They concluded that at least three times that Brennan knew

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Speaker 2: they're going to indict Barack Obama. They're not. That would

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Speaker 2: You'd have to have a testimony inside the bureau. You'd

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Speaker 2: same thing Brannan knew and he cooperated with the fraud.

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Speaker 2: That's what you would need to nail COMI in front

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Speaker 2: in the real world. Supreme Court is rule clearly in

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's case in the January sixth that he had

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Speaker 2: that category. Unless you have Michelle Obama saying, hey, you

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Bill O'Reilly got a new book coming

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Speaker 1: out about Confronting evil September ninth. What would you tell

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Speaker 1: President Trump he should do about the Epstein revelations and

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Speaker 1: the ongoing story there. If he asked you for advice,

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Speaker 2: We they asked me this morning. Oh okay, about four

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that President Trump should answer any

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Speaker 2: One hundred. I would not, as president, allow myself to

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Speaker 2: be besieged by this story. It is a legitimate story

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Speaker 2: in the sense that there are millions of Americans, not

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Speaker 2: that makes the story valid. So what I would do,

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Speaker 2: would be have one spokesperson designated by the Justice Department

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Speaker 2: here's what we are doing. If you read to Wall

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Speaker 2: are literally hundreds of names in that information, hundreds the

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Speaker 2: So these people screaming all you got to put it

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Speaker 2: if your name is associated with Jeffrey Epstein's name in

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Speaker 2: so the Justice Department cannot do that. It is impossible.

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Speaker 2: And also in the Journal article, and remember the Journal article,

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Speaker 2: Murdoch family and Fox News down the road. Also in

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Speaker 2: in this case, no one. Now. The Wallstreet Journal is

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Speaker 2: usually pretty accurate in its report, Taj, I don't know

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Speaker 2: about this birthday card business.

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Speaker 1: Were you stunned by the way? Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: just kind of surprised that they chose even to run

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Speaker 2: Well, three things involved here number one year correct. It

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Speaker 2: is not a news story on its own. But what

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Speaker 2: the press is trying to do is link Trump to

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Speaker 2: That's what the Trump That's why President Trump should stay

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Speaker 2: away from this one hundred percent. What the dishonest, corrupt,

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Speaker 2: going to be blown up. This is a very simple story.

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Speaker 2: A forensic can make a determination on whether that card

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Speaker 2: pretty aggressive action to me. And if the journal is wrong, yes,

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Speaker 2: He's tired, and he's tired because this kind of stuff

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Speaker 2: great deal with Japan announced by Trump administration. Fabulous. He

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Speaker 2: of three of them, not a second. Epstein got ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: So Trump is furious, furious because this kind of stuff

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Speaker 2: weighs you down emotionally and mentally. Now he's the strongest

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Speaker 2: guy I know, I mean, my God, but his hand

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Speaker 2: wherever I go, but I don't shake hands, and I

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Speaker 2: Trump's hand is bothering them. It's painful. Okay. So he's

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Speaker 2: going over to Scotland. WHI play some golf over there,

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Speaker 2: get some you know, cooler temperatures. And I was asking him,

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Speaker 2: here physically and everything. You got it. And that's why

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly fantastic as always. The book coming out is

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Speaker 1: confronting evil, assessing the worst of the worst. It will

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Speaker 4: Listen, hey, Clay, I believe that you could get Obama

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Speaker 5: What I want to say is that they need to

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Speaker 1: And all these criminals, from Obama down to Brennan Clapper,

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Speaker 1: like Attila the hun Also in Wisconsin. What you got

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Speaker 1: for me, you got it from Green Bay area, all right?

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Speaker 1: So hold on, is your name actually Attila?

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Speaker 6: It is?

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Speaker 1: So did your dad and mom name you after Attila

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Speaker 1: the hun?

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Speaker 2: I think, So.

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Speaker 1: That's a hell of a thing. I've never heard this,

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Speaker 1: all right, So, uh, that is a hell of a move.

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Speaker 1: I would love to know how that happened, all right.

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Speaker 1: So I that's the name I've never heard of before

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Speaker 1: in the modern era. But that's pretty awesome, all right,

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Speaker 1: what you got for us?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm not the I'm not the attorney, absolutely obviously,

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Speaker 6: so I'd like you to get your cannons out and

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Speaker 6: get ready to blow my theory out of the water.

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Speaker 6: But I was going to disagree with what y'all said yesterday.

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Speaker 6: But in as far as the prosecution goes like, no,

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Speaker 6: they can't be prosecuted, I think.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, who did you do?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off, But you're saying they can't

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Speaker 1: be prosecuted, meaning I think Obama can't be prosecuted. I

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Speaker 1: think that would immediately get shot out of the water.

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Speaker 1: But I do think there is a possibility that others

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Speaker 1: could be prosecuted. So when you say they, do you

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Speaker 1: think also Obama could be prosecuted or who is they?

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Speaker 6: I think I don't like the idea of presidence being prosecuted.

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Speaker 6: The Democrats started this whole thing, but I think under

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Speaker 6: eighteen USC.

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Speaker 1: Section two seventy one, Yeah, Buck talked about this, it's.

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Speaker 6: An ongoing crime. Okay, so the crime never ended. It's ongoing.

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Speaker 6: And then there's the cover up, which leads to obstruction charges.

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Speaker 6: All right, So since they have not read, uh, they

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Speaker 6: have not addressed the conspiracy, the seditious conspiracy. This is

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Speaker 6: ongoing crime. And underneath Obama, I think are are Brennan

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Speaker 6: call me and Susan Rice, who doesn't get talked about enough.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Those three are are the main ones. And I'd like

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Speaker 6: to see all them and people underneath like Clapper and

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Speaker 6: all these people get charged as well.

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Speaker 1: All Right, thank you for thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow a lot of people's mind because I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of discussion about this, and the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court has not yet ruled on this. But I

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Speaker 1: think he Attila there raises a really interesting question. I

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Speaker 1: have said. I think Obama is protected by, ironically the

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Speaker 1: precedent that the Supreme Court put in place to say

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Speaker 1: you can't charge Trump for official acts that took place

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Speaker 1: while he was president. What has not he had been

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Speaker 1: applied stringently. Is I think a really interesting question to

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Speaker 1: what extent does presidential power also descend to the people

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Speaker 1: that the president deputizes to undertake the actions that he

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Speaker 1: believes is within the province of his power. In other words,

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Speaker 1: if we believe that President Trump has the right to

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Speaker 1: investigate twenty twenty, then clearly when he tells his attorney general, hey,

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Speaker 1: I want this fully executed. The attorney general serves at

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Speaker 1: the pleasure of the president as a part of his cabinet,

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Speaker 1: then the attorney general is protected in theory, in my analysis,

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Speaker 1: because the president has protection, it would be highly unfair.

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Speaker 1: Think about this. If your boss can tell you to

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Speaker 1: do something, you do it at his direction, and then

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Speaker 1: your action is criminal and his action is not criminal.

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Speaker 1: I think most of you out there would say, well,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. I mean, take it outside of

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Speaker 1: the presidential purview. And if you are an officer and

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Speaker 1: your officer is giving you a direct order, and that

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Speaker 1: officer can never be charged because we're saying, hey, he

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Speaker 1: has basically presidential immunity, and then you can be charged

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Speaker 1: for executing his directive. I think that the powers of

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Speaker 1: the president are going to be seen in the years

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Speaker 1: ahead as more of these cases rise up to also

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Speaker 1: descend to the direct respondents of the president's power, because

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Speaker 1: otherwise I think it would be profoundly unfair if a

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Speaker 1: president's associate right subordinate is able to be charged with

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Speaker 1: crimes that the president himself could not be because the

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Speaker 1: power of the associate descends from the power of the president.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? And so I think, again I'm

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Speaker 1: just kind of sketching this out. One of the challenges

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Speaker 1: of pursuing criminal charges here will be if you can't

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Speaker 1: charge Obama, how can you charge people for executing the

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Speaker 1: directives of Obama? I think it becomes very challenging. Again,

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Speaker 1: there are people out there who have prominent shows, and

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Speaker 1: they're going to come on and they're going to tell

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Speaker 1: you Obama's going to be in handcuffs and everybody's gonna

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Speaker 1: get purp walked, and everybody's going to be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I don't really think this show is

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Speaker 1: in the business of telling you things that we don't

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Speaker 1: think are going to happen. Are going to happen. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean we're not going to get things wrong. But I

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Speaker 1: think you have to be careful, look around, and pay attention.

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Speaker 1: If people are consistently telling you things that prove not

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Speaker 1: to be true, then over time you should trust them less.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why this show has continued to grow,

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Speaker 1: because we're not always right on everything, but we get

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Speaker 1: a lot right and our analysis, I think, is a

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Speaker 1: I'll take some of your calls. You can react to this. Also,

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Speaker 1: we got some funny stuff. I'm problems, I'm gonna make

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Speaker 1: if you're just getting in your car the death of

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Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan seventy one years old, a lot of you

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. A lot

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Speaker 1: of talk rolling in from people who are sad to

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Speaker 1: see the news that Hulk Cogan has passed today at

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Speaker 1: the age of seventy one. Here are several different talkbacks

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play you from Davenport, Iowa. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with cc Hey.

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Speaker 8: I just wanted to give a shout out to Hal

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Speaker 8: Cogan's family. I met the man back in twenty ten,

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Speaker 8: twenty eleven when I worked at the Wounded Warrior Project.

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Speaker 8: He came to visit a bunch of wounded veterans. He's

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Speaker 8: a huge guy, great personality. He will be missed.

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Speaker 1: Podcast listener Eli says, not surprisingly that he and his

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Speaker 1: brothers used to imitate hul Cogan brother back in the day.

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Speaker 1: D d Hi Clay just heard.

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Speaker 5: The news of my childhood hero Paul Cogan passing away

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Speaker 5: and just remembering all of the times my younger brothers

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Speaker 5: and I would imitate flying off the ropes and you know,

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Speaker 5: hulk Mania and just wrestling around on the floor and

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Speaker 5: having a good time because of these guys. And it's hard,

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Speaker 5: no doubt one more.

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Speaker 1: EE Greg says he actually flew around Hulk Hogan and

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Speaker 1: Randy Savage. I'm jealous back in the day. This is

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Speaker 1: Greg from Sandy Hook, Connecticut.

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Speaker 9: I'm a corporate pilot and the very first celebrity I

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Speaker 9: ever flew back in the mid nineties was Hulk Hogan,

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Speaker 9: and he brought along Randy Savage and the Big Show

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Speaker 9: on a trip up from Tampa to Cincinnati. We were

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Speaker 9: so heavy that we couldn't even make it without stopping

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Speaker 9: for fuel. Really nice guys, They were a blast to fly.

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Speaker 9: He will be missed.

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Speaker 1: Rest in peace indeed. Hulk Hogan Final Hour Thursday Edition

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