WEBVTT - Does owning a gun change your behavior? 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:04.960 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:13.600 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.919 There's Child's w Chuck Bryant, and uh, this is stuff 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:24.279 you should know. Wow. Yeah, Uh you want to give 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.680 like just a general ceoa out of the gate. Yes, 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.400 this is a hot button issue guns right now in 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.080 this country, in the United States. It's a very tough topic, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:38.800 and we are here to talk about do guns change 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.440 your behavior and studies that they've done on that. We 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.000 are not advocating for guns or advocating for gun control. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:51.600 We are just presenting evidence that some people have presented. Yeah, 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.280 how's that. Well. We should say also that I think 0:00:54.640 --> 0:01:01.040 some especially people who are pro gun, um are they? 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:06.120 I mean, your sensitivity might be a little um right now. Yeah, 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.360 but I'm saying, like you, this, this particular podcast may 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.880 strike you as as biased, even though it's not, simply 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:18.119 because the studies have found things like you know, there 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.639 are increased homicide rates and suicide rates associated with guns 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.920 and things like that. So we're again we're just reporting 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:31.160 some compiled body of work and we're presenting in an 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:36.560 unbiased manner. Good job, thanks man. So um, we just 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.880 kind of let the cat out of the bank. And 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.160 if you are in the guns, if you are pro gun, 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.200 you will probably point out that you own guns for sport, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:49.040 your own guns for home protection. Um. And you may 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:53.040 point to a statistic that ownership of guns in the 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.760 United States is higher than it ever has been at 0:01:55.800 --> 0:02:02.840 any point and not necessarily coincidentally, the homicide rate has 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:09.040 dropped since that's right, So there's an inverse correlation, you 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.360 could say, between gun ownership in the United States and 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.960 just by a number of guns and the homicide rate. Yeah, which, uh, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.480 gun advocates will say, you know, like, give people more 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.200 guns and it will be actually less violence because if 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:31.080 everyone is armed, then there will be fewer people like 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.120 invading your home because hey, I know you've got a 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:37.240 gun in there, that kind of thing. Um. Now, the 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.919 other side, people who are in favor of gun control 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:46.799 would point out that, yes, the homicide rate has dropped, um, 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.519 but there's actually fewer people who own guns than ever before, 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:56.800 Fewer households, yes, with guns, but more the people that 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.240 have guns have more guns. And yeah, as Mark Twain 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.160 famously said, there are three types of lies, lies, damn lines, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.280 and statistics. And this is a pretty good example of that. Like, 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.119 this is one statistic that can be looked at two 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.480 different ways. Yeah, Like, there's more guns in the United 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.920 States than ever before, and the homicide rate has dropped. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.600 There's also fewer people in the United States who own 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.680 guns than ever before, and the homicide rate has dropped. Right, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.480 it's just fewer people owning more guns, right. Um, And boy, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.560 you were dead on with the statistic thing in this, 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:36.000 uh topic, Because depending on how you want to research, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:42.080 you're gonna find statistics to support your way of thinking. Probably, Um, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.840 so what we encourage people to do, you probably have 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.760 your mind made up anyway on this issue. A data, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.840 if a statistic, is going to change anyone in his mind. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.200 But go out and just look at all the non 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.880 biased research, is what I say. Yeah, don't go to 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.960 n r A and get your stats, and don't go 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.680 to whatever the n r A equivalent and gun equivalent 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.640 is and get your stats. Try and get them from 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.200 like unbiased sources. Uh. Yeah. And one of the former 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.440 um unbiased sources that used to put out a lot 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:15.320 of UM gun violence studies unbiased you would imagine, is 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.680 the CDC. Yeah, And the CDC used to put out 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.320 a lot, a lot, a lot of stuff there there, 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:26.080 and then there was a dearth of it beginning in 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:33.280 which I didn't know about this until today. In the 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:37.760 n r A successfully lobbied Congress to stop funding the 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:43.200 CDC's work on gun violence. Yes. Um, And this is 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.120 where it gets a little nitpicky with the wording. They 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:50.120 didn't specifically say you can't research gun violence. What they 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.080 did was they reduced the amount of funding by the 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.000 exact dollar amount that they spent the previous year on research, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.960 and at attached this quote to it in the appropriations bill, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.120 none of the funds made available for injury prevention and 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.320 control at the CDC may be used to advocate or 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:16.440 promote gun control. So uh, pro gun folks would say, 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.320 you know, and we never said they couldn't do any research. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.400 What we said was, you can't do research that has 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.640 findings that support gun control. So if the findings support 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.320 gun control, you can't do that, basically, right, And anything 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.920 like any finding that showed that, you know, there's an 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:38.440 increased risk of violence linked to guns, you could interpret 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.479 under that sentence as advocating gun control. Yeah. And in 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:47.040 two thousand three, the language is updated to include a 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.600 whole or in part which expanded things, and then in 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:53.640 twelve it expanded the restriction to all health and human 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:58.960 service agencies. Although January of this year, President Obama has 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.880 now hauled for funding specifically for he had I think 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.640 it's twenty three point memo, Yeah, of what he wanted 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.240 to get through in terms of research. Yeah, those were 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.400 the executive orders that he could carry out that had 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.480 to do with gun control. Basically ten million bucks for 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.240 additional research, which is a lot more than they used 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.080 to get it peaked at two point six millions. So 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:27.080 throwing ten million dollars at this today, even adjusted for inflation, 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.080 that's going to produce a lot more studies on um 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.640 gun violence for the CDC and people. Before you get 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.239 worked up, this is research. They are saying, we should 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.080 do research on this. They're they're basically framing it as 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.240 a public health epidemic because people are dying. And hey, 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.080 we study how violent or how how automobiles kill people. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.120 We study how alcohol and drugs skill people, we study 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.120 how everything is killed. Everything kills people except the guns, right, 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.359 so we should start researching this just to get some 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.760 current statistics on it. And if you want to get 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.120 rolled up about anything, get rolled up about the idea 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.880 that Congress banned scientific study period. Yeah, and you can 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.640 basically from the research I found, you can lay this 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.880 at the feet of Bob bar and new Gingrich's basically 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.360 the two representatives from Georgia new Ingridg's head almost as 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:23.559 much power as Clinton, and um, yeah, that was pretty 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.600 much who was responsible for this. Well. J. Dicky, the 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:31.240 the representative who sponsored the amendment back then, has now 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.800 recanted and said, you know what, he's no longer in office, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.720 but he wrote an editorial stating that quote, scientific research 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:41.160 should be conducted into preventing firearm injuries, and that ways 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.520 to prevent firearm desks can be found without encroaching on 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.120 the rights of legitimate gun owners. So basically he's come 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.240 out and said, you know, we should research this stuff, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.960 not saying banned guns or go to people's houses and 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.080 grab the guns, but at the very least, we should 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.160 do the research so we know what we're talking about 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.239 and so the American public can make their own informed 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.200 decisions one way or the other. Right, that's right, Okay, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.560 So that's why there was a there's been a dearth 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:10.480 of reliable statistics since Um, but CDC is not the 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:15.160 only people carrying out um this kind of research. Other 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.360 people have who are independent of Congress for funding. Yeah, 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.040 not a ton though, because there's not a lot of 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.000 funding period. So it's pretty sad, Like I read this 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.440 one article on that a lot of the people that 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.560 did this. It's not like you can just pick any 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.000 old researcher and say research gun violence like you have 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.840 to have it, like it has to be your specialty. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.360 And a lot of people have just don't do this 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.679 anymore because of that band. So it's sadly it's hard 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.240 to find people qualified enough to even do it now. Yeah, 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:42.840 I mean, no matter what it is, people go to 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.959 where the money is, right, absolutely, Um, So the the 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.760 stuff that we do have though, the studies we do have, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.400 reliable studies that we do have pretty much across the 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:59.160 board point to an increased risk of death if a 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.440 gun's present. But before, I guess, before we talk about that, yeah, 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:10.240 I think now it's probably a good time for a message, Rick, Okay, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:14.000 let's talk about them the weapon effect. Yeah, this is 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:19.280 a very touchy subject as well. Um. In nineteen sixty seven, Uh, 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:24.240 these two dudes, Leonard Berkowitz and Anthony lapage Um did 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:28.840 a little study where they brought people into a room, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:34.760 had UM the participants UH antagonized basically by someone else, 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.760 just to get them rilled up, and then they left 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.679 the room and were told that they could give them 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:44.160 electric shocks. Some people had a gun in the room 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:45.880 on the table and they said, don't worry about that, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.240 that's just here from a previous study. Some people had 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.560 bad mitten rackets and they said, don't worry about that 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.440 from a previous study. And they found that just the 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.680 presence of guns in the room caused people to shock 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.920 more and harder at a higher voltage. So they dubbed 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.840 that the weapons effect, saying, just the mere presence of 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.160 a gun in the room, even when told to ignore it, 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:13.320 increased UM I grow behavior basically. And there's that's been 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.560 backed up by other studies. There's one in two thousand 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.560 six that showed that UM interacting with the gun actually 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:25.800 increases the testosterone levels of men. Wow, that is a lot. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:30.240 That's a huge increase, right, UM. So this study basically 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.000 they said, here, play with this gun and then UM, 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.040 now we're gonna firstly, took a swab and tested the 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.800 testosterone levels. Then they said, here, play with this gun, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.680 and afterward we're gonna take another swab. But in the meantime, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.839 we're also gonna let you put hot sauce in the 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.800 water of somebody who's gonna have to drink it. And 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.600 the the men who um handled the gun and messed 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.920 around with the gun for a while put um far 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.800 more hot sauce into the water than the men who 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.600 didn't handle a gun, three times as much hot sauce. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.800 And the same two previous guys, Berkowitz and Lapage did 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.720 another one that I found really interesting. Um they put 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.600 a pickup truck in traffic with um, well different pickup trucks, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.280 some with guns in the rack and some without a 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.680 gun rack at all, and made them sit at a 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.600 traffic light that had turned green for twelve seconds to 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:25.120 see how people behind them responded. And surprisingly, people were 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.400 more likely to haunk their horns if there was a 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.640 gun in the truck ahead of them, which they said 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.000 that meant see, the presence of a gun just makes 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.000 people more aggressive, Whereas I was kind of like, ah, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:37.760 that that's sort of weird that they would be more 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.559 aggressive towards someone with a gun when you didn't have one. Yeah, well, 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:45.280 it's almost like possibly that people interpret that as a threat. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.120 Just the presence of a gun maybe someone else is 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.959 flaunting to the rest of the world is just kind 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.400 of some sort of veiled threat despite its very presence. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:59.400 We UM. We detect guns actually faster than we detect 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:04.319 um snakes, spiders. These are things called fear relevant stimuli 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.600 and guns, fall, guns, syringes they fall into this category 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:12.520 as well. And humans are hardwired evolutionarily to to be 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.960 able to pick out a snake out of a landscape 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.960 faster than say, we can pick out like a wood chuck, 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.839 a chipmunk or something like that, because we know from 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:28.000 eons of of of evolution that these things are very 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.920 dangerous to us. Studies have found that we can pick 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:36.640 guns out faster than we can pick snakes out. So yeah, yeah, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.559 that's very quick evolution. It's it's called the threat superiority effect, 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.199 where we can we can identify threatening objects faster than 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.880 non threatening objects. And apparently guns and syringes too, I 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.680 think are topping the list these days. Uh. They also 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.719 found that UM drivers who have a gun in the 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.200 car were significantly more likely to UM do things like 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.320 makeup scene gestures that other people compared to sixteen percent, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:07.320 UM follow too close aggressively four to eight percent, or 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.480 both six point three percent to two point eight percent. 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.520 So uh. And then they even found that even when 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.360 guns weren't around, just the mere suggestion of aggressive words 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.720 as opposed to non aggressive words like gun, Uh, people 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:28.319 were more aggressive in these studies. So, you know, people, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.840 a lot of people have supported the weapons effect study 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.880 and said no, it's perfectly valid. And a lot of 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.240 people have said no, you know what the weapons effect 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:41.480 is bs and that study is invalid. So, um, which 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.559 one is? Which one is larger? Yeah? Right? Exactly? Which? 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.000 I don't know? I mean I think, as with all things, 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.959 that depends on who you're talking to, you know, I 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.680 don't know if there's it's been broken down like that. Um. Okay, 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.400 So it seems to there seems to be some sort 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.840 of evidence at least that there's the potential for increased 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:07.280 aggression um with the presence of a gun. Right. There's 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.160 also um studies that show and this is the one apparently. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.480 I don't know why people aren't talking about this more, 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.800 especially with the gun debate that's going on now. But 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.520 if you want to talk about a correlation, talk about 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.760 suicide and the presence of guns. I think that's one 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:30.160 that's pretty much not been refuted. Um, there were a 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.320 lot of gun deaths in the US and two thousand 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:38.600 and eleven, UM, eleven thousand of them were homicides and 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.800 nineteen thousand, seven hundred and sixties six were suicides, all 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.280 with firearms. So twice as many people took their own 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.600 lives with a gun then took someone else's life. Yeah, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.640 and not only that, you UM. And again I hate 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.640 not having more recent research, but it's not our fault 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.840 that we it point to a study from three years ago, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.720 you know. Um, but a nine study by the CDC 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.000 said that if you have a gun in the home, 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.520 you were five times more likely to commit suicide overall. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.000 And um, in two thousand three, there actually was another 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.920 study that said access to a gun made someone more 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.000 than three times more likely to commit suicide than without. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:27.280 UM and eight of people who shoot themselves succeed in dying, Which, well, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.400 that's why they think that the correlation is so strong. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.280 That then, so that's for people who really want to 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.720 end it, not to cry for help. Yeah, but probably 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.920 not gonna shoot yourself in the head if it's a 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.960 cry for help. Right, but what the what what the 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:47.360 people who are saying this is legitimate research are pointing 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.560 to is that this is that suicide is frequently an 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.880 impulsive act. Uh. And when you're in the midst of 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:59.920 a crisis and you are, um, you've decided to end it. Yeah, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.360 if you do it, if you try hanging or pills 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.840 or carbon monoxide or whatever, you are less likely to 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.600 be successful than you are with a firearm. And so 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.800 the presence of a firearm in the house during that 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.080 time of crisis increases your likelihood of committing suicide by 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:20.040 a firearm. Yeah, but also chuck there. There's another study 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.080 that found that people who own a handgun and commit 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:27.080 suicide are far more likely to use the handgun than 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.720 another type of method. Oh right, even though that's available 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.120 to them as well. Right right, Well, I guess, like 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.080 I said, those people that probably really want to end 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:40.920 it all. Um. Interestingly, the Israeli Defense Force found that 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:45.520 their suicide rate dropped among its soldiers just by saying 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.560 you can't take your weapons home this weekend, so they 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.800 banned them from taking the weapons home over the weekend. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.360 Suicide rate drop. Regardless where you stand on this issue, 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.080 it has pretty much been proven that guns in suicide. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.760 There is a direct correlation going on there. Okay, homicide, 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.520 should we move on, Yes, let's move on. Um. So, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:14.280 there's study that found that UM family disputes that turned 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.720 violent were three times more likely to result in death 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.280 if the gun was present in the house. UM, and 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.919 this was this was There was another study by the 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.640 CDC that found that homicides are about three times more 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.080 likely for family members in a house where there's a gun. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.560 Two studies have found virtually the same thing, the presence 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.080 of a gun, at least in the nineties. The swing 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.200 in nineties, having a gun in the house meant that 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.320 each of the family members was three times more likely 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:48.520 apparently to UM die by a homicide. Right, and that 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.800 is the domestic dispute that gets out of hand. If 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.720 a gun is around, then your chances are hired that 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.200 it's going to be in and murder. Well, one said, 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.440 a family dispute that turns violent, you're three times more 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.520 likely to result in death. The other one, the CDC one, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.320 I think, was just plainly saying just having a gun 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.240 in the house to three times more likely to die 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.400 by homicide. Right, Okay, I guess it's fair to point 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.600 out though that most murdered murders don't happen at your 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:21.360 home unless, yeah, you're a woman, a child, or elderly. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:26.160 So basically, if you're a average age man, you're you're 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.359 less likely to be murdered in your house. Everybody else 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.200 is more likely. Right, So, but if you were killed 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.080 in your home, um, the vast majority are people who 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:43.040 knew the perpetrator. Like, basically, the cases of someone breaking 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.960 into your house who you do not know and ending 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:51.159 and death are are much lower than than here. It 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:55.119 is right here, Fewer than of burglaries in the US 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.679 occur when someone's at home, period, and and the seven 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.720 percent where violence does occur, Uh, it's more likely to 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.280 be someone you know. So five percent of all the 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.080 crimes perpetrated by strangers occur, only five percent occur in 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.320 the house. So you're basically what the saying is, the 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.720 home is a pretty safe place by and large, and 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.639 so just having a gun that you keep at home. Um, 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.960 these studies then suggest actually increases your likelihood of you 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.600 or someone you love who lives in that house killing 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.280 one another, rather than somebody coming into your house and 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.000 you're protecting yourself USA that. Yeah, and they even, uh, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.240 they went to the streets in night in two thousand 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.960 nine in Philadelphia and looked at six and seventy seven 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.840 shootings over a couple of years, and they found that 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.920 people that carry guns were four and a half times 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.080 more likely to be shot and four point two times 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.040 more likely to be killed. And I guess the thinking 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.439 there is, if you have a gun, you may just 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:59.879 feel more aggressive or more um likely to act ra 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.359 actually or put yourself in a bad part of town 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.760 because hey, I've got this protection, or to be aggressive 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.480 because you know you've got that protection. That kind of thing, um, 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.680 if you And there's this really really great article, UM 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.760 from two thousand ten that was in Harper's Magazine. It 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.359 was in the August two thousand ten UM issue. It's 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.280 called Happiness is a Warren Gun, and it's this guy's 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.879 like this basically his life carrying a gun and like 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:33.080 just what it's like. It's just a really great look 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.119 at what it's like to have a gun on you 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.120 at all times and like what that means. Um. He says, 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.439 you're in condition white, which is basically you're constantly on 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.960 high alert because if you're carrying a gun, you have 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.960 a sense of responsibility not just for yourself, but you 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.119 also need to protect everybody else if somebody starts shooting 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:51.880 or if there's a robbery or something like that. That's 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:53.879 why you have a gun on you. So you feel 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:59.479 a sense of stewardship of just other people, strangers in public. 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.359 Well sort you're the police all of a sudden. Yeah. Um. 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.000 And so you live in this thing, this this state 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.639 of called condition white, where you're just your threat response, 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.680 You're you're is constantly on at some level, which can 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.360 control Advocates I'm sure are all about condition white, right, 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.520 They're like, yeah, that's exactly what we're looking for, is 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.320 people to be alert and armed. Yeah. Um. This guy, 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.919 believe came to the conclusion that he was tired of 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.159 living in condition white as it's too exhausting, and I 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.160 think he stopped carrying. Maybe I don't remember how it ends, 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.359 but um, it's a really great article. I would recommend 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.679 anybody on either side of the of the issue to 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.520 read that Happiness is a Warren Gun in Harper's. I 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.760 saw dude in the grocery store the other day with 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.760 a piece on his hip, checking out in front of 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.600 me by a six pack of beer. Yeah, and it definitely, like, 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.679 I don't care who you are. When someone walks in 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:49.320 the room with a gun on their hip these days, 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.000 it changes the mood. I'm not saying it makes things 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.200 bad or good. I'm just saying it changes things. I 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.160 think it probably always has. Yeah, it's a weird thing. 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:02.560 I mean, I definitely see where people get divided on 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.119 the issue because here in Atlanta there's a lot of crime. 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.280 You hear about a story where some dude went to 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.119 carjack some guy and the dude had a gun in 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:12.960 his car and shot the guy and now that guy 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:16.560 is behind bars. I can see how people would be like, good, 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.800 he stopped a criminal like a cop would have. Whereas, 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.160 you know, cops generally investigate already happened crimes. Rarely does 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.159 a cop like thwart a crime in progress. It's just 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.840 right place whereyme time, right time, and so like random 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.359 how that works out. Whereas if the citizens had the guns, 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.840 they could do that themselves. So I can see how 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.159 people get all up in arms and say, yeah, you know, 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.920 there's a case of a person that defended themselves successfully, 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.320 And then the other person might say, yeah, but what 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.720 about that guy whose son accidentally shoots himself in the 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:50.600 house when the guns out, Like it's two separate four 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.359 year olds yesterday accidentally killed two different people in two 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.919 different states. Yeah, the wife of a sheriff's deputy was 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.320 killed by a four year old at her house. Yeah, 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.240 Like there's with every story or with no matter how 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.160 you feel about it, you can pick the cherry pick 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.199 of story to fit your your beliefs. It's pretty like 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.040 the issue is very, very far from clear cut, and 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:17.480 it's yeah, it's just very hard to not see both sides. 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.120 I agree with you. There's a guy named David hem 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.240 and Way that wrote an article called Risks and Benefits 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.200 of a Gun in the Home for the American Journal 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.720 of Lifestyle Medicine in two thousand eleven. And this is 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.080 a sort of a newer thing where they're starting to 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.399 frame it. Like I said, it's a health issue, like 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:36.800 when people are dying, you should look at it as 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:40.360 a health issue. So he investigates it as such, and 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:44.320 um came out on the side of the American Academy 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:48.840 of Pediatrics, who officially have said do not have a 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.800 gun in in the home if you're a parent, Um 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.680 that they've they've the result of this study, at least 0:23:56.040 --> 0:24:00.040