1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan, and this is episode three thirty six. 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Today in the show, Dan and I are talking about 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: spring scouting, shed hunting, beginner, dear gear, deer hunting, politics, 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: and a whole lot more. All right, welcome to the 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx. I 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: had a whole planned introduction, uh for the show, but 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: it just has to go out the water because of 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: what just happened. Yeah, I thought I was on my 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: A game today, but and what I texted you today 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: and I said, this is gonna be the greatest podcast 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: we've ever recorded, and like one second into our phone call, 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: it just all went out the window. Yes, somehow Dan 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: Dan calls to start the podcast and he calls I 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: don't know me and other people Andy May. We got 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: any May's voicemail, and then several other people answer the phone. 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Who who knows who they were? Dan? How did you 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: mar No? I don't know. I just I looked at 21 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: my computer and I started hitting buttons and the next 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: thing you know there's about five people on the line. 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: I guess that's your typical start to the day. Huh. 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: I I don't even have any kids in the room 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: distracting me. They're they're seeping into every little bit of 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: your life, even your free time. Well, I'm glad we 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: figured it out. I'm glad we're here. Uh, glad we're 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: getting to catch up Dan, because it's been been a 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: little while. Um, here's what I want to do, alright. 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I want to take some time here to catch up 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: on the front end, as we like to do when 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: we're able to get together BS a little bit, talk 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: about some current events. Uh, I had a kid since 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: we last chatted. There's been some number two number two 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: number two is here. Uh, we gotta talk about that 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. We we also though, before we 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: dive into kids, we also have to talk about shed 38 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: hunting a little bit. We gotta talk a little bit 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: about a dirty deer hunting politics debacle going on in 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: Michigan right now, Dan, loop you in on that, um. 41 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: And then we got to answer a whole bunch of questions. 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: We've got I don't know how many dozens and dozens 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: hundreds maybe of questions from listeners that have been sent 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: in here recently, sort of talk about spring scouting stands, 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: set up ideas, balancing hunting and family scouting, shit hunting 46 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: h fart questions. I mean, we've got a whole we 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: got a whole sal little things. So yeah, man, full 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: slate oft stuff to talk about. But um, but yes, 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: number two is here. Uh. He's a little over two 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: weeks old now, healthy, happy. His name is Colton. And uh, 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm two thirds of the understand in your life Dan, 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: two thirds. Yeah, dude, I'll tell you what. Uh. I 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: have a couple of friends and I'm not gonna say 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: any names. They probably know who they are. But every 55 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: once in a while, they'll they they will catch themselves 56 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: complaining about having one kid, and I won't even have 57 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: to say anything, and I'll just look at them and 58 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: then they'll put their head down in shame because they 59 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: know they only have one kid. Yeah. I'm getting to 60 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: understand better and better every day. I just don't know. 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: What I don't understand is how people do it with more? Like, 62 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: how do people with four kids or five kids survive? 63 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: You don't you just won one of them always is 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: getting ignored, and that's the one that I don't know, 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: stays inside and loves video games or something I don't like. 66 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh, it's hard to pay attention, even 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: with two adults, to all three of our kids at 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: the same time. Someone's getting ignored. I've I've already wondered, 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: just how is it gonna work this? You know, this 70 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: bringing summer and especially fall when I have to take 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: off and Kylie is here on her own, Like just 72 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: something simple. It is like, how do you do a 73 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: bathtime when you've got a two and a half year old? 74 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: That's crazy? And then you've got an infant um? How 75 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: do you do that? I don't even know. Just simple 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: things like that. We're trying to think that, Okay, how 77 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: do you make this work without one of the how 78 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: do you do it and both survive? That's well, I'll 79 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: tell you this right now. When it comes specifically to bathtime, Yeah, 80 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 1: there might be a day or two that the kids 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: don't get baths. As long as they're not covered in feces. 82 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: I think it is a it's a it's a win 83 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: if you if your kids are still breathing at the 84 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's a wind. I think I 85 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: think you just keyed on. I think you just touched 86 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: on the key, which is shifting baselines. You've got to 87 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: change your expectations. More kids, you have the lower standards 88 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: you have for quality of life. Yes, but healthy, healthy 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: Mom's doing good. She's starting to feel like a regular 90 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: person again a little bit, which is nice. As you know, 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: those last weeks of pregnancy are tough. Um, so she's 92 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: feeling good, and UM, we're just figuring stuff out. We're 93 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: just trying to kind of figure out what the new 94 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: normal is. And UM, I took a little bit of 95 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: time sort of away from work. It wasn't doing as 96 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: much at work and hung out more during the day 97 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: helping out for the first couple of weeks. And now 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm back in the office full time this week. So 99 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: now now Kylie is trying to figure out what the 100 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: full day on her own looks like. So we'll get 101 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: a we'll get a report card back at the end 102 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: of the day. We'll see, we'll see how it went. 103 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: But I think it's going okay. I haven't heard anything 104 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: like the house is still standing. I haven't heard too 105 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: much screaming. Uh, Kylie hasn't called me crying yet, so 106 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: I'd say, so far, so good. Wow. Then then you're 107 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: just into it, right, there's so much more time for 108 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: you to fail as a father in husband. Yeah, you 109 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: can speak from experience, right, every day? Every day? Yeah? Man? 110 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: So what about you? Anything big new in the world 111 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: of Dan Johnson? Uh? Since we talked about three four 112 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Oh man, you know, just uh, you know, 113 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: there's some crazy things that happened in my life. My 114 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: my social media got hacked. So do you think this 115 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: is because of all that Russian porn? You watch Russian porn? Yeah, 116 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's how the hackers got your stuff, right, 117 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: the son of a bit. I didn't know it was 118 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: gonna be this kind of podcast that caught you off 119 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: guard for the next I know I did. I think 120 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: I might have to throw you under the bus later. 121 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: So anyways, continue, you got hacked? Yeah, I straight up 122 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: got hacked. Uh. And it was Islamic right, So I 123 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: think that when they when you say that, how do 124 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: you what do you mean? How do you know you're 125 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: saying that that's where the attack came from? Well that 126 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: is what they posted. So I'm not I don't know 127 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: too much about Islam. Or whatever. But I do know 128 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: from watching the news and and just having exposure to 129 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: um like the news and Islamic terrorism and stuff like that, 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: it will It looked like the black isis flag that 131 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: they posted on my personal page, and they must have 132 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: tried to do it within nine finger Chronicles named themselves 133 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: admin of my Instagram pages and basically they made uh 134 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: several posts and then they tried to boost those posts 135 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: for like three thousand six dollars. Now is that your 136 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: money coming off your credit card or their credit card? 137 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: Well it all got shut down before the boost was made, 138 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: thank god. Um So, yeah, I had a week without 139 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: social media and it scared the ship out of me 140 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: because as you know, you you know, tried doing wired 141 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: to Hunt or meat Eater without social media. It's important, yeah, 142 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: very important, and uh so I had I was just 143 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: was worried about that. Um that that was all last week. Finally, 144 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: I made a comment on one of my podcasts about, 145 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, on the nine finger Chronicles podcast about if 146 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: there's anybody out there, I'm desperate I could use some help. 147 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Some guy reached out to me and says, hey, man, 148 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: I I know a guy. Let me see what I 149 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: can do. I'm not promising anything. Two hours later, I 150 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: got an email from Facebook saying, UM, you need to 151 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: verify yourself. You need to go through this, that this, 152 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: all these steps took me about thirty minutes, and UH 153 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: changed my password, changed my email address, changed a whole 154 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: bunch of different things, and had to go in and 155 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: delete the posts that they made, delete the admins, and uh, 156 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: finally late on Friday, I got access back to all 157 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: my social media, which that's awesome. Yeah, thank god for that. Man. Yeah, 158 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: I know you were stressing off about that pretty bad 159 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: and understandably so glad it. Glad it came together. Although 160 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: I gotta ask, was there a tiny bit of you 161 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: that liked the fact that you didn't have your social 162 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: media just because you didn't have to have that constant 163 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: little tug to be looking at something or posting something 164 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: or or any of that. You know what I mean, absolutely, 165 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: and you're correct. I there was a part of me 166 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: that was like, this sucks because you know, and I'm 167 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: a firm believer that if I didn't have the nine 168 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: finger chronicles and I didn't have um, any of what 169 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: I have going on now, I probably wouldn't have Facebook 170 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: or Instagram. Yeah, so I I was. I was. It 171 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: was just something cool. I didn't have to worry about it. 172 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't on my phone flipping through things. And you 173 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: know how you get into the Instagram black hole. You 174 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: go on to make a post about wired to Hunt 175 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: or Sportsman's Nation and next thing you know, you're you've 176 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: been scrolling there for about thirty minutes and you've done 177 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: nothing productive. Yeah. Man, I'm constantly trying to fight that. 178 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: That is just so easy to waste time or to 179 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: get sucked into something that makes you feeling crappy, like 180 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: seeing crappy political news or stupid people, something that just 181 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: gives you all fired up, and all of a sudden 182 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: you realize that you're all stressed out or upset or 183 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: and cruddy for something that just didn't have to have 184 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: part of your life that day, but because you got 185 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: sucked into the internet. It is. Um, I'm trying to 186 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: find ways to force myself out of that because it 187 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: can just be a just just toxic. Yeah, and that's 188 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: like all television is these days. It's just those really 189 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: he said, she said, political ads, one side blaming the 190 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: other side, and it's just it's so gross that even 191 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: it even has affected my family because my daughter's like, well, 192 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: I thought Donald Trump was our president. He's supposed to 193 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: be Like why do people hate him? I'm just like, oh, sweetheart, 194 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, like and then the same thing was like 195 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: why is Donald Trump, you know, do this? Or why 196 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: does the president do this? Or why is this guy 197 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: not like don't you know it's and so then I 198 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: have to explain all that crap and I just want 199 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: to shut the TV off and good lucky, right right. 200 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: That's the one nice thing about not having cable is 201 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: we never have to see cable news. That's one thing. 202 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't have to be involved in it all. I 203 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: see it online, but um, but at least I don't 204 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: need to see the talking heads, because that's sometimes half 205 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: the worst of it. So yeah, and the only time 206 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: we really watched that is for local news in the 207 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: morning to try to get the weather right and throw 208 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: on the local news. And and still every it was 209 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: real bad during the caucus part of time of eye Yeah, jesus, 210 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean it was fifteen commercials an hour of different 211 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: people And that's a debacle for you guys. That's when 212 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: did you just stop paying attention? M M so Iowa 213 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: Caucus social media debacle. Um, a lot of bad stuff 214 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: happening in Iowa these days. Yeah, anything anything good happening 215 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: in the in the world of Dan Johnson over there. 216 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: Have you been out shed hunting yet? Yeah? Um. I 217 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: went out one day and it was probably for about 218 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: oh our and thirty minutes. Took my brother. I went 219 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: to go drop my kids off at my mom's so 220 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: they so she could watch them that night, and me 221 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: and my brother and my sister in law we went 222 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: out to you remember that one day I found like 223 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: eleven sheds and so we walked that No sheds, however, 224 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: tons of sign. So probably in about two or three 225 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: two weeks, I'll probably go back there and walk it 226 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: again to see what I can find. But no, no deer, 227 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: but a ton of sign and a ton of corn 228 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: still in the field and not standing. But you know 229 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: it's been gone. It's gone through or missed through the combine. 230 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: So I'm really looking forward to getting out and doing 231 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: some scooping. Man. So here's a question for you. When 232 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: you find a corn field like that where there's just 233 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: so much sign and you know there's got to be 234 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: deer in there. Um, and even especially when you start 235 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: finding those sheds like you did that one year in 236 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: those buffer strips. Do you ever devote yourself to checking 237 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: the corn rows themselves? I had this conversation with some 238 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: other guys, and I guess I don't have enough time. Two. 239 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: Because the buffer strips are higher, you know, I feel 240 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: like you're gonna they're easier to see that. It's a 241 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: higher success rate as opposed to walking every row in 242 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: an eighty acre field. It would be I would have 243 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: to live closer to it in order to do that, 244 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: or spend an entire day doing it, which for me, 245 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: it's just not feasible. Yeah. So here's my situation. Why 246 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: I bring this up is because on on the main 247 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: my main Michigan spot, Um, there's about I don't know 248 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: what it is, maybe twenty acres twenty acre corn field, 249 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: maybe fifteen twenty acres, and it's just getting pounded tons 250 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: and tons and tons of deer. Um. I saw the 251 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: brow list eight, which was a mature buck that I was. 252 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: That was that I was seeing the last month of 253 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: the season. I saw him out there once missing aside 254 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: um and then we haven't we haven't got to talk 255 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: about it. But I didn't mention it um in another 256 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: episode when you weren't on. But you know, I found 257 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: trans sheds. Yeah, so the match set was in the cornfield. 258 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Just by accident. I got just super lucky and was 259 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: walking with the family and we ran across the match 260 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: that right by the road. But so I found those 261 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: two antlers in the in the corn And then last 262 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: weekend I took Everett out for a walk and we 263 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: found one side off the brawls eight um, maybe a 264 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: hundred yards off the cornfield in a bedding area. And 265 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: then we found another two year old buck one of 266 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: his sides, maybe sixty seventy yards off the corn field 267 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: in a little bedding area. Um. So there's four antlers 268 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: all within you know, hundred yards of this corn field. 269 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: And that's more antlers than I've ever found on this 270 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: property ever before. Um So the whole bunch of deer 271 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: in this area hit in this cornfield. So I keep 272 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: on thinking, like, is this the year I finally just 273 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: walk every row because there's been so much activity. It's 274 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: obviously the best food source around here. There's antlers already 275 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: in and around it. Um. But it's such an investment 276 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: of time, like you said, to do that, So I'm 277 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm contemplating doing it, though, because I don't know. If 278 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: there's four antlers already right around there, that means there's 279 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: at least four somewhere else, um, if not more, probably 280 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: are more because I've seen other bucks that I haven't 281 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: found any of their antlers yet. So it's very tempting, 282 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: But it would be a daunting thing to just walk 283 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: every row staring at stocks. But I don't know. Maybe 284 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe you'd find a whole bunch of sheds 285 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: that way, if you'd be willing to just do the 286 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: the drudgery. Yeah, and I think if I could find 287 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: one of those perfect days. I don't know about you, 288 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: but I seem to find more sheds on cloudy days 289 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: when maybe there's uh it's a little missed in the 290 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: air or something like that, because a the contrast of 291 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: the shed is different than the grass and the surrounding 292 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: uh you know, landscape, so it sticks out just a 293 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: little bit more as opposed to walking a stubble corn 294 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: field looking for something that it looks exactly like a 295 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: stubble corn field in the bright sun with all the 296 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: shadows and everything. So you know what else I found 297 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: because I have started walking in those roads already, and 298 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: one of the things I noticed is I actually think 299 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: that it helps when you're trying to see sheds in 300 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: the corn if there's a little bit of snow on 301 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: the ground. Most of the time you want to be 302 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: snowless or close to snow at least, Like that's my 303 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: preferred shed dating conditions when you're back in the woods 304 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: or looking at grass and stuff. But it seems like 305 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: with the corn field it actually helps a little bit 306 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: because you do have more contrast versus when everything looks 307 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: like a shed. Um, at least with a little bit 308 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: of snow, you'll see something sticking out that looks a 309 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: little bit unique, and you've got the like I'm looking 310 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: at the cornfield right now, and I can see with 311 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: the snow, it's a nice snowy path down the middle. 312 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: Um that if there's a nice antler and there, you 313 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: definitely see it, but you wouldn't have it blend in 314 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: with everything like it normally would. So it's actually not 315 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: a bad time if you've got an inch of snow 316 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: out there or something like that. Yeah, that's why, that's 317 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to go. A couple of weeks ago, 318 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: or was it this last week, because it was the 319 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: perfect conditions, right if they We had had snow on 320 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: the ground for about a week a week and a half, 321 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: and if something was gonna fall, it was it was 322 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: gonna be right on top of the snow. So that's 323 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: why I wanted to get out. And well, I think 324 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: I got out there a little too early. Speaking to 325 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: shed hunting, something that um that came to minded me 326 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: someone some someone on Instagram or somewhere had messaged me 327 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: with this idea, and I thought, man, that's a really 328 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: good idea. And then I also remembered you did something 329 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: like this. I don't remember if it was during shed season, 330 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: but at some point you were going out with your 331 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: kids to scout or shed hunt or something, and you 332 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: guys were collecting trash too, And I thought we should 333 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: do like a shed hunting challenge to everybody listening. If 334 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna go out shed hunting this year, bring along 335 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: a plastic bag with you, bring along some kind of 336 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: bag and collect trash. And I don't know, I don't don't. 337 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: I haven't fully thought this out, Dan, But what do 338 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: you think about having some kind of shed hunting hashtag 339 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: or something related? To trash and then we give some 340 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of prize away to whoever has like the most 341 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: trash did in one of their pictures, some some kind 342 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: of ideal like that. I mean, we should have something 343 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: good coming coming out of all of us walking around 344 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: looking for antlers, you know. Um I like the idea. 345 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: I like the idea. We have to kind of think 346 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: it through a little bit. But what would be a 347 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: catchy shed hunting related trash hashtag that we could use 348 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: to track this? Um? So you know when we talk 349 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: about a buck that has a non typical point and 350 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: we call it trash, you know. So I'm thinking out 351 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: loud here and help me out. Trashy sheds, trash, trash 352 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: shed trash, garbage. Uh uh people, people now get to 353 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: see what idiots we are in real time. I don't know, Well, 354 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. Sheds with uh scooping for scooping 355 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: for trash sheds and just sheds and trash, trash, trash 356 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: and sheds. Um ah. Yeah, Well I really should have 357 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: came with this better prepared. By the end of By 358 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: the end of we should not even finish the Q 359 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: and A part of this. Let's just talk out loud 360 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: about what we think we should be doing, calling it 361 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: for the next hour and a half. I think a 362 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: lot of people love that, right, That's that's riveting listening. 363 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: Right by the end of this whole thing, we have 364 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: to have some kind of idea because I want to 365 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: try to give folks an incentive to pick up some 366 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: crap out there while you're out walking for ammers. I 367 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: think it's such a simple thing that I should be 368 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: doing a better job of that. All of this could 369 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: probably do a little bit better job of. Um. So 370 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm thinking what kind of giveaway. Um, I'll figure out 371 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: something cool. I'll give away a copy of my book 372 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: to someone. I've got some extra still that and I 373 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: bet you I've got oh, well, get back. We'll get 374 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: back on all these things. Uh shaddowning trash challenge. We 375 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: will do something along those lines that we will announce 376 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: it at some point here as soon as we figured 377 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: it out. Um cool cool. You know one of the 378 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: piece of current events that I gotta just vent to 379 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: you about alright, And I got one more thing to 380 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: say before after that, then we can go good news 381 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: or bad news. It's good. I think it's good news. Yes, Okay, 382 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: I think I noticed is then let's say the good 383 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: news for the end. Okay, So my bad news story 384 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: of deer hunting politics gone bad? Oh geez, yeah, I know. 385 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: So I have to just talk about what's going on 386 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: here in Michigan and share my frustration and explain what's 387 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: what's happening and where we're at, and maybe encouraged my 388 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: Michigan listeners to do a little something. Um, here's a 389 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: situation here in Michigan. We have something called the Natural 390 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: Resources Commission, and this is a I believe seven member 391 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: commission that is appointed by the governor to take recommendations 392 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: from our DNR and essentially confirm the regulations for hunting 393 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: and fishing in Michigan, Okay. And they have frequent meetings, 394 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: I think monthly NRC meetings where they talk through different 395 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: proposals and the things they're looking at, and the public 396 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: can come and comment on it. And there's all sorts 397 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: of different things going on. But it's a way to 398 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: make the process public. It's a way to take in 399 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: public feedback, and it's a way for these commissioners to 400 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: look at all sides of the issue as well as 401 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: the science and everything to make the decisions about you know, 402 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: are we gonna ban baiting or not, Are we gonna 403 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: change the season dates or not, etcetera, etcetera. So the 404 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: people that get assigned to this commission are really important. 405 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: They have, you know, significant influence on hunting here in Michigan. 406 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: And over the years, all sorts of different people have 407 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: been assigned to the Commission. But just recently, our governor 408 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: back in December, I think, appointed someone named Anna Middling. 409 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, Dan, but we 410 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: have had and on the podcast like four years ago. 411 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: Does the name ring ballat all? No, it doesn't. Okay. Well, 412 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: Anna middlings from Michigan and she was a co op 413 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: coordinator here in Michigan, so she had a job for 414 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: a while. She came out of school with a degree 415 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: in fisheries and wildlife and science and ecology and all 416 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: sorts of things like that. She came with this background. 417 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: She then took a job working with the QT May 418 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: and Pheasants Forever and MUCC which is a Michigan conservation 419 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: organization and a whole bunch of different partner organizations here 420 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: to help manage wildlife cooperatives and to help work with 421 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: various stakeholders to conserve wildlife, to hunt, to improve the land, 422 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: and to find ways to um work together to improve 423 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: hunter satisfaction, do all this really good stuff. So she 424 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: helped coordinate these things, work with hunters and mostly hunters 425 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: all across the state doing this. And that's what she 426 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: came on the podcast to talk about was what she 427 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: was learning, what she was doing, um, the studies, they 428 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: were doing really really good stuff. So she did that. 429 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: She came out of the Fishers and Wildlife degree. She 430 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: then is now a professor of I think it's environmental 431 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: silence biology, something on those lines at a school here 432 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: in Michigan. She is a hunter. She is very involved 433 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: in volunteer work related conservation, volunteering at deer check stations. 434 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: She's working, She's worked with c w D check stations, 435 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: so she's on top of all these issues that impact hunters. 436 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: She gets assigned and she gets nominated to the commission, 437 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, Wow, this is a great person. This 438 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: is actually someone who lives this stuff, who has an 439 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: educational background in this stuff, who has worked professionally within 440 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: this world, and has worked with all the different stakeholders. 441 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: Not only does she do is personally, but she actually 442 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: has had to be in a position that has forced 443 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: her to listen to all sides of the deer hunting issues, 444 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: to actively work to bring people together. I don't know 445 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: any better person or better type of experience to have 446 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: when you're gonna be taking a leadership role with managing 447 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: our regulations, right, A big part of that is listening 448 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: to all the different people, looking at the science, looking 449 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: at the different perspectives, and trying to come to some 450 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of consensus. Yes, Anna gets a sign of the Commission. 451 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: It's great news. One of the best um folks I've 452 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: seen as far as a resume assigned to the Commission, 453 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, as far as everything I've seen, she's 454 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: the only person to have been nominated for the Commission 455 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: to have an educational background in this stuff, to have 456 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: a wildlife management degree, so she's probably the most qualifying that. 457 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: But several days ago, I think it was Thursday, out 458 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: of nowhere, all of a sudden, find out that one 459 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: side of the political aisle has decided that they are 460 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: going to have a vote to disapprove her and remove 461 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: her from the Commission. The Senate has As I understand, 462 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: I might get the details wrong. I'm I'm not living 463 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: and breathing this every second of the day. But as 464 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: I understand that there's a sixty day window where the 465 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: Senate can approve or disapprove of a nomination to the NRC. 466 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: On the last day before that sixty day window closes, 467 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: they out of nowhere decided to have this new vote 468 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: to remove her at the end and ends up. The 469 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: day it comes out, I got a text from Josh 470 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: in the morning and say, hey, man, this thing is happening. 471 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: It seems like some weird political stuff going on, and 472 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: they're trying to vote and off the NRC. Make sure 473 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: to call your senator, make sure to spread the word, 474 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: talk about so all of our buddies get together. We 475 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: sent emails. But that afternoon, the Senate majority, which is 476 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: a Republican here in Michigan, votes on a party line 477 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: to disapprove and a mendling off the NRC. So someone 478 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: who's incredibly qualified just got knocked off the Natural Resource 479 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: Commission here in Michigan. Why did that happen? I still 480 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: don't have a clear answer, But here's what we are 481 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: being told. We are being told at least the story 482 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: is that there has been an another nominee to the 483 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: commission from our governor who's a Democrat, and the Senate 484 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: is not happy about that one. So, as the story goes, 485 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: this is hearsay. I can't vouch for this. This is 486 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: just hearsay. What they're saying is that the Senate went 487 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: and said to the governor, Hey, if you get rid 488 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: of this first guy, George hartwell we'll let you keep Anna, 489 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: but if you don't, we're going to vote Anna off 490 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: before our says today window comes out. And she said 491 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: she wasn't going to compromise on it. She wasn't gonna 492 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: she wasn't gonna remove George, and so they voted an Now, 493 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: so someone who's incredibly qualified just got knocked off the 494 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: NFC because of another person they didn't like. So very frustrating. 495 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: All the hunting organizations I know about within Michigan or 496 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: up in Arms, all the members I'm sitting online are 497 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: sending emails, making phone calls. I placed a phone call 498 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: to my senator. Um, I will give him credit. He 499 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: he voted to disprove or to to remove Anna. So 500 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm not happy about that at all, But to his credit, 501 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: he did get I can touch on me is willing 502 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: to talk to me about it game a call today. 503 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: He hasn't returned my voicemail. UM, but I'm hoping to 504 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: hear from him directly to to see if there's something 505 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: else to this. Um. But it's very frustrating. It is 506 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: very disconcerting to see some political bullshit taking someone who's 507 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: very qualified, who was a great representative hunters and anglers, 508 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: taking them off of this commission. UM. I'm I'm. I 509 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: was very fired up about it, very upset. You should be. 510 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: You should be, and so should everybody else, not only 511 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: throughout the nation, but throughout Michigan. This is exactly what 512 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: hurts everything in life. It's do you think the people 513 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: who voted to have so and so removed? I was 514 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: thinking about our natural resource. No, they were not. They were. 515 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: It was all political and it was all based off 516 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: bullshit or somebody else's game. Well, the thing is is 517 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: that it's a party line vote. So when you see 518 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: that everyone on one side of the health voted one 519 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: way and every one on the other end, I'll vote 520 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: it otherwise, that screams partisan to me. There was one 521 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: There was one Republican And I'm not trying to pant 522 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: the Republican Party all in one way. I'm just saying 523 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: this one instance, there was one. There's one Republican who 524 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: did not vote with the party and said, hey, Anna 525 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: is obviously qualified. I can't with good conscience vote against her. 526 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: So I appreciate that person. But everybody else, I just 527 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: can't understand it. The comments from my senator, and he's 528 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: the Senate Majority leader. Um. And again not saying he's 529 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: a bad person. I'm not saying maybe he's got some 530 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: good reason for it, but his comment that I saw 531 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: to the media was that he didn't think that she 532 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: based on her testimony because she had to go up 533 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: to the in front of the Senate panel and answer 534 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of questions when she was first appointed, Um 535 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: claimed that she didn't seem to be able to make 536 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: the big decisions or something like that. And so I 537 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: actually went and I listened to the whole hour and 538 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: ten minutes of her being up there in front of 539 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: the panel, answering questions and whatnot, and UM, and there 540 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: just there just wasn't any substance to that criticism. Was she, 541 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, the most unbelievably strong and eloquent public speaker, 542 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: and did she answer every single question perfectly and with 543 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: full knowledge of each issue. No. But what she did 544 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: do is when there was something that she didn't know 545 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: everything about, she said, you know what, I can't speak 546 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: to that right now. But what I would do is 547 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: I would go look at the science. I would go 548 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: look at the social science. We talked to all stakeholders 549 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: and come to a consensus, We come to a decision. 550 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to jump to assumptions or I'm not 551 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: going to pretend to know something. I'm not going to 552 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: come to this with a with a preformed opinion um 553 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: which which I thought was perfect. I thought that that 554 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: that's what we need from someone on this commission, not 555 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: someone who's gonna come to this with these ideological I 556 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm getting frustrated just even talking to dat 557 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: right now. But man, I feel you, dude, I feel you. 558 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: I've done the same thing in in Iowa, where I've 559 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: reached out to senators, house represent lives and talk to 560 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: them about public land. And of course Iowa is very low, 561 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: UH has very low public lands. It's an agriculture state. 562 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: We have you know, thou hundreds of thousands of landowners 563 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: and UH, it's all egg based and so public land 564 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: kind of takes a back seat in our state. And 565 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: when you voice your opinion about that in this state, 566 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: especially to UM, the politicians, they could care less because 567 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't involve who is UM supporting them, and who's 568 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: supporting them are people in the agriculture industry. So I 569 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: feel you, dude, I think coming out of it it 570 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: it just reminds me of how important it is for 571 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: us to speak up on these things, because if we 572 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: don't speak up at all, then this stuff will just 573 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: keep happening. Maybe if more of us knew about this 574 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: ahead of time. Like what sucks is that this thing 575 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: came out like the night before and then the next 576 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: morning they did the vote right away, so people didn't 577 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: have a chance to to reach out to the representative. 578 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: There was like two hours in the morning before you 579 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: could even try to get your opinion known. UM. So 580 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: we need to try to make our voices her when 581 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: we can. And I will say again, to my senator's credit, 582 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: he did respond to my message. He texted me actually 583 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: instead he'd be willing to chat. So I appreciate that, UM, 584 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: But I do think that we all could could continue 585 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: to try to push the envelope and make sure that 586 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: our senators and representatives know that we are a constituency 587 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: that matters, and that we care about these resources and 588 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: these opportunities and the privilege to hunt and to have 589 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 1: well managed resources, and and if we don't stand up 590 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: and stick up for it, nobody else will, I guess 591 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: is the big point in this case. Not enough people 592 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: stuck up soon enough, and it led to someone who's 593 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: incredibly well qualified to help guide the regulations of honey 594 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: and fishing in Michigan. She got knocked off and now 595 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: instead there's a couple of lawyers, uh, and a few 596 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: other people who I'm not sure about their credentials and 597 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: any kind of waken stack up to Anna's. So they're disappointing. Uh. 598 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: If you're in Michigan, send send you take a look 599 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: and see how your center voted, and send him an email, 600 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: give him a call if you are similarly frustrated as 601 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: I am. Let them know about it. I don't know 602 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: if there's anything that'd be done about it now, um, 603 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: but if nothing else, we need to make sure that 604 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: they know we're listening and paying attention. So that's my 605 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: political ranch for today. Yep. There you go hold on 606 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: one second here before we move on. Uh, this is 607 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: future Mark. I want to jump in here, uh the 608 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: day after we record this conversation with Dan and just 609 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: share a couple more final thoughts. Number one, I want 610 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: to make it really clear here that there's blame to 611 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: be placed on both sides. The more have looked into it, 612 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: the more it does appear that there is some kind 613 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: of politicization of this crap coming from the Democratic side. 614 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: The Democratic side as well, that might have been part 615 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: what pushed the Republicans to do what they did. So 616 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: the more of the story here is that there were 617 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: some knuckleheaded moves on both sides of the mostly related 618 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: to political blogning that's unrelated to Anna, that's unrelated to 619 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: our wildlife resources, and that political crap from both sides 620 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: of the aisle led to a bad outcome for hunters, anglers, 621 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: and our natural resources. So this politicization of our wildlife 622 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: management is a big issue, and it's something that's not 623 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: just happening here in Michigan. It's happening all across the country. 624 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: So we need to be watching out for it and 625 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: we need to be speaking up against it, Which brings 626 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: me to point number two, which is the fact that 627 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: today I did get to chat with my state center, 628 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: and I want to give him credit for that that 629 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: he respectfully listened to my feedback, affirmed that it wasn't 630 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: falling on deaf ears, and and promised that he'd take 631 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: this into account moving forward into the future. And so 632 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: for that, I am appreciative. And I think what I 633 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: came away from all of this with is that we 634 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: do still have a voice. We do still have the 635 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: ability to make a difference, especially here on the local level, 636 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: with your state reps, your state senators. We do have 637 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: a disproportionate opportunity to get in contact with these people 638 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: and actually talk to them. You know, we can't talk 639 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: to a president, we probably maybe can't even talk to 640 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: a senator, a national Center United States senator, excuse me, 641 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: but our state senators they're a lot more available. So 642 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: give these people a call, talk to them, let them 643 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: know that we care about these things. And I do 644 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: think that if enough of us have the kind of 645 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: conversations that I was fortunate enough to have today, I 646 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: think we can make a difference. So that's all I 647 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: got on that. Let's flip it back to past Mark 648 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: in my conversation with Dan. Now tell me some good 649 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: news Dan. Well, let's see. It's about a month ago. 650 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: I got a call from Jared uh from two Percent 651 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: for Conservation and Jared Fraser Jared Fraser, yep, And he 652 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: says to me, Dan, Uh, are you busy man? I 653 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: said yes, I'm very busy. And he said, well, do 654 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: you have enough time for conservation? I said I always 655 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: have time for conservation. And he said, do you mind 656 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: if we put your name in the hat to become 657 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: a board member of two Percent for Conservation? And I 658 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: said absolutely I would. Will you know I would love 659 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: to because I'll tell you what I made a commitment 660 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: in before this, even how it happened, that I was 661 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: going to try to give back a little bit more 662 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: than previous years, find a way to do something more 663 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: to give back to any conservation effort that I possibly could, 664 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: um helping out, volunteering, you know, potentially donating more money. 665 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm already a two Percent for Conservation UM business certified 666 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: member through the Sportsman's Nation Sportsman's Nations certified and Uh. 667 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: I got a call last week or as actually the 668 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: week before from Jared saying, hey, dude, um, you made 669 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: the cut and we would like you to offer you 670 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: a board of director seat within two percent for Conservation, 671 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: and I accepted it. So yeah, so I am on 672 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: as of today today is Monday. They made the announcement 673 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: just like literally as we're speaking, I I hit my 674 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: phone in a message popped up. So, um, I'm on 675 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: the two percent for Conservation board of Directors and this 676 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: is my way of giving back to Conservation in any 677 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: way I possibly can. Oh, man, congratulations, that is uh, 678 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: that's great man. I think you're spot on that. You know. 679 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: I think all of us to look at twenty and 680 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: east New Year to trying to figure out what can 681 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: we do more? Yeah, so what does that mean? Uh? 682 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: What are you gonna be doing? You're gonna be on 683 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: meetings talking about the direction of the organization and that 684 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, right yep. And I think specifically, um 685 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: I might you know, just because of my expertise in podcasting, 686 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 1: there is a potential that uh and I don't wanna 687 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, this is only thirty minutes really into my 688 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: task right now as we speak, or you know, as 689 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: my rule as board of director, So I don't want 690 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: to uh step outside of any lines. But if you 691 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: get fired thirty. It's the best stuff. I didn't know 692 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: you did that, but well, they heard Russian porn already, 693 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: so I'm sure that might be Hey, hey, Mark and 694 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: grat Hey, thanks a lot, buddy. I just got axed 695 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: out of two percent for Yeah, but I think, um, 696 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, the direction of helping assist them in the 697 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: direction of their message. Who their message is going to, 698 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: UM basically using my platform as a sounding board for 699 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: two percent for conservation method or for their message, and 700 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: um basically just refining that to reach as many people 701 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: as humanly possible and attain as many members as humanly possible. 702 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: So um, and you know, there's the good word and 703 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: it just needs to be spread. And I think, uh, 704 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, there's a probably start a podcast maybe, I 705 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: don't know, we'll see, sweet man. That's awesome. Well, good 706 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: for you. Good for two percent for conservation to have 707 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: someone like you on their team. And uh, I just 708 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: can't cry every now now I'm a representative. I can't cry. 709 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: I know you gotta get your ship together. Uh well, 710 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: good man, keep us posted and definitely let myself and 711 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: the word hunt world know when you need our support. 712 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: Absolutely you will be on my press release list. Hit 713 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: me up, Hit me up. Um. Okay, so we've talked 714 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: about kids who talked about good news, we talked about 715 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: bad news. Should we answer questions? Should we finally get 716 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: to the main event? Mark? All right, let's talk hunting. 717 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: I have I don't know where you're at on this, 718 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: but the last as we do every year, we kind 719 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: of go through, at least I do, and I think 720 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: you do to degree kind of go up and down 721 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,919 Speaker 1: a little bit with the various seasons and what we're 722 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: interested in or what we're obsessing over. Um. I'll get 723 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: into a mode where I'm out West, I'm really in 724 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: fly fishing, and then I get back and I'm really 725 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: pumped about want to go in elk hunt. And then 726 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: September I was like, oh my gosh, I just want 727 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: to be prepping for white tails. I have all these 728 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: different you know, ups and downs there. My deer hunting 729 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 1: excitement button just got pushed really hard, like a week 730 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: and a half ago. Um. I don't know. I think 731 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,959 Speaker 1: maybe just because like I'm starting to get serious about 732 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: shed hunting. But all of a sudden I started thinking, Man, 733 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: I gotta get really serious about planning some of the 734 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: projects on the back forty and where am I gonna 735 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: go hunting this year? And I've got all my magazines 736 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: out and my books out, and I'm working on my 737 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: deer hunting to do list and stacking up ten thousand 738 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: things I gotta get done in the next six months. 739 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: And I'm fully I'm fully amped, and it's only February. 740 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: Dam So, yeah, dude. I my daughter came up to 741 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: me and said, Dad, can we watch a hunting video? 742 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: So before I came up and recorded this episode with you, 743 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: We're sitting in the recliner. She hops on my lap 744 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: and we were watching um high country mule deer huts 745 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: and she was, oh, dude, this guy he put on 746 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: a shot and it went over this It went over 747 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: this buck's back, and she was she was like, oh no, 748 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: he missed him. She's like, you can't do that. He's 749 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: standing right there. You gotta shoot him. Like so, she's 750 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: she's heard me talk too much about deer hunting. I 751 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: was gonna say, though you haven't told her, you know, 752 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more understanding of those poor 753 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: hunters and they missed the deal. Well, you know, daddy 754 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: sometimes does that, Honey, you gotta give him got to 755 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: give him a break. Yeah, yeah, Um, you can't have 756 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: her watching that western stuff that you gotta start on 757 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: something good and wholesome, like the Back forty. That's what 758 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: she should be watching that. Okay, Okay, Eva, he's gonna 759 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: talk about pollinators for thirty minutes. I need you to 760 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: pay close attention. It's like four minutes. Man, she could 761 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: have a four minute times fan. Okay. Uh. Deer hunting. 762 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: Deer hunting questions, Uh, we got a question. We got 763 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: a ton of questions. So I'm just gonna kind of 764 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 1: go through these and pick random ones off this list 765 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: I've kind of put together and we'll see where it 766 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: takes us. Um. This kind of relates to our excitement level. 767 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: We got a question from Jack who just simply said, 768 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: are you more excited for shed season or turkeys? Reason why? Uh? 769 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean turkey season because I get to go do 770 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: it with my family and this year will be the 771 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: first year that I think I'm gonna be taking about. 772 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: But you know how I am about shed hunting, Dude, 773 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: love our sheds, you know it. I know how passionate 774 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,720 Speaker 1: about and fired up you get. So I love my daughter, 775 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: but I might lean towards sid hunt. It's crazy to say, um, 776 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: because shed hunting isn't really hunting, and that's the weird thing. 777 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: But for some reason, damn it, I do get so excited. 778 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 1: I just love being out there hiking, looking, the anticipation, 779 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,359 Speaker 1: that burst of excitement when you finally see one unexpected. Yeah, 780 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I and maybe because it stretches for 781 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: so long for for us, while like turkey hunting, you 782 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: could be done in one day, you cut me out. 783 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: At least I know some guys were girls go all 784 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: over the county free in Turkey hunt for weeks and 785 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 1: weeks and weeks, and I guess in that case. Um, 786 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: but for me, usually the one state thing, so I'm 787 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: probably gonna vote for for sheds too. But our buddy 788 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: Ross Hossman, I hate that dude. I hate him. I 789 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: hate his guts and I hope he hears me say 790 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: that because and I've even mentioned him and told him 791 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: how much I hate him posting those damn pictures of 792 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: his dog. Oh dude, big sheds too, not just little ones, 793 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: but big sheds. Yeah, you already found a seven intern Jesus. Yeah, 794 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: I think he's a I think he said fifteen. I 795 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: think is what he's at so far. Um, and he 796 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: has only been out a few days, so yeah, he 797 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: stacks him up. But what can you do? Um? Okay, 798 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: So that's where we're at with sheds versus turkeys. Um. 799 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: Kyle asks, what age do you plan to take your 800 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: kids hunting for the first time? You just kind of 801 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,720 Speaker 1: answered that how old? Eva? She's gonna be turning seven 802 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: in next week, and is that that's gonna be their 803 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: very first hunt? Right? This will be her very first 804 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: turkey high. She's she stepped into the woods with me 805 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 1: before while I, uh, did you know some turkey calls. 806 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: She's been mushroom hunting, she's been shed hunting, but she 807 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: has not been officially hunting where I'll be carrying a gun. 808 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: So this is gonna be you know, this is gonna 809 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: be interesting. Do you feel like they're Do you have 810 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: any anxiety about how she's going to feel about the 811 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: the shooting and the killing of a bird. Is that 812 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: something that you feels she's ready for or is it 813 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: kind of unknown? Yeah? So that's and that's a really 814 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: good question because she is a very emotional, she's very sensitive. 815 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: She loves I can already tell you she loves natures, butterflies, birds. Um. 816 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 1: The last year when Sarah shot her turkey, we brought 817 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: it home and she was playing with its feet and 818 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: playing with the fan and and the beard, and she 819 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: she's like, Daddy, why did you know? Like why did 820 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: mommy kill this? And you know you gotta explain to her, Well, 821 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: we killed this bird not only for fun, because it's 822 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: fun to go hunting, but we then we eat its 823 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: meat and then we can make you know, food out 824 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 1: of it for you and the family. Okay, well, I 825 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: don't like it when an animal dies. And uh well 826 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I don't either, And and 827 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, you try to explain in the most sensitive 828 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: way you possibly can to you know, not necessarily not 829 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: rubb her the wrong way to the point where she's 830 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: just like a hunting's girls. I don't ever want to 831 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: do it. But throughout all of this twenty nineteen year 832 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: leading up to today, when you know, when I said 833 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: she we were, she was basically cheering on the guy 834 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: in the you know, and then and then trashing him 835 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: for missing the shot. You know, so, um, I think 836 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: she's to the and you know, she saw the blood, 837 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,919 Speaker 1: she sees the deer go down, she sees them cape 838 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: it out, and so I think exposure, second hand exposure 839 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: like watching through videos is great that way, it's not 840 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: real life right off the bat, you know what I mean. 841 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: And she seen dead deer hanging from a rafter, she's 842 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: seen the meat after we've cut it out, but she's 843 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: never actually seen a kill other than on TV. So 844 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: I think I think that is going to help to 845 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: the point where we're starting off with an ugly animal 846 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: like a turkey that doesn't look cute, and I think 847 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,439 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a great introduction for her to I 848 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: don't know what the hunt and and like the whole 849 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,720 Speaker 1: audio experience of turkeys just is so like exciting even 850 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: before you see anything that I feel like that's just 851 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: such a good one for people to start with. Yeah, 852 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait. I mean, I've I've gotten I remember 853 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: I told you about the turkey hunt I took ever 854 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 1: done last spring, right when he was like, I don't know, 855 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: just over a year. Um. I mean, I don't know 856 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,839 Speaker 1: if you really call it a hunt because we didn't 857 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: have a gun, but I took him out there and 858 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: we called in turkey. The forty yards on the ground 859 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: that was pretty sweet. So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep 860 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: on doing that kind of thing with him. Um, just 861 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: kind of take him out. I think this is the 862 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: first I'm gonna try to take him out during deer season. Um, 863 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: I've got a box blind that you can sit up 864 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: in and it's really comfortable. It's it's super luxury hunting. Um, 865 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: which is good I think for a kid. So he'll 866 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,240 Speaker 1: be almost three, I think, you know, December, late season, 867 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 1: take him out at the very end of the night 868 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: and try to slip in there for the last half 869 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: hour forty five minutes and just see if a bunch 870 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,359 Speaker 1: of deer can come out. Um. I think he'd get 871 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: a kick out of that, because he's already through the 872 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: same things that you're talking about, just by having like 873 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: we watch hunting shows. He sees all my deer run 874 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: to bring him home, we kind of take him out 875 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: and do all sorts of we go shut outing together. 876 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: Already he's right with me and shed hunting. We look 877 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: at deer tracks, we point out deer beds where he's 878 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: really into deer rubs right now. And so now he 879 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: goes around the house trying to rub on couches and 880 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 1: stuff with his fake anglers. And two days yesterday or 881 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: two days ago, we went out and we saw a 882 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,240 Speaker 1: bunch of rubs, and I don't know, a week before 883 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: I was teaching him what rubs were, and so he 884 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: was going and pointing at him. But this time he 885 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 1: got so excited when we saw him. He was running 886 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: up to rub trees and hug them and saying, dear ruh, 887 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: dear ruh. So that's, uh, that's pretty cool. But I 888 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: don't know. I think that probably I don't know someone 889 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: of that, like five six seven year old ranges probably 890 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: when I would actually take a gun, because I do 891 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: think that like that, just the sound even is one 892 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: of the big questions, Like, well, that scare the crap 893 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: on him. I guess you have to kind of practice 894 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: that ahead of time too. Yeah, And I want to 895 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,399 Speaker 1: have to get some kind of ear covers for her, 896 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, like maybe some of those um a man, 897 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: what's the what's the brand? That you can throw over 898 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: your head? But you can hear about Walker's game here. Yeah, 899 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: but when they pull the trigger, it cancels out the 900 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 1: the the big bang. Yeah, I think that's I think 901 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: that's what it is. I've never used him. I'll have 902 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: to look into that. Um, it's gonna be fun, though, Man, 903 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be the coolest. I can already 904 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 1: see just the things I'm doing to this point. It's 905 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: so much fun to see him get excited about these 906 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: things that I can see how that's self fulfilling. And 907 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I used to think I I used 908 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,240 Speaker 1: to have this this preconceived notion of me going out 909 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: and hunting with my Son's just you know, it's just 910 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: I it's not like I didn't want to hunt with 911 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: my daughter. I just you know, you have this. I'm 912 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 1: a man and I have a son, and I'm gonna 913 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: go out and I'm gonna have these hunting adventures with him. 914 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: But what I'm finding out is my daughter it seems 915 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: to be more excited about hunting than right now my 916 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: son does. And I know that there's there's two years 917 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: difference there, two and a half years difference, But right 918 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: now my son is showing more interest in other things 919 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: than hunting than my daughter is. So I think, uh, 920 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: it might be one of these dotty dad or daddy 921 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: daughter hunting type clubs. So yeah, there's there's room for everybody. 922 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: But right now my daughter is showing the most uh, 923 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: the most excitement. Very cool. For some reason. If I 924 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: had to guess what Mac is into, my first guesses 925 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: were monster trucks and mud wrestling. That's not that's just 926 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,040 Speaker 1: where we're It's racing, racing, kind of racing like Nascar. 927 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: He likes watching, uh, he likes playing Mario Kart on 928 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,760 Speaker 1: the Wii. But then the other day he sat down 929 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: and watched these truck races with my father in law. 930 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: So he's kind of into racing car racing right now. Well, 931 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,720 Speaker 1: there you go, might have the next Jeff Gordon. Yeah, 932 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: all right, Paul, This is a good question. This is 933 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: something that that I sometimes think about. Paul asks do 934 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 1: you treat standing corn as a betting area or a 935 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: food source when you're thinking of how you approach your 936 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: stands or wind direction and stuff like that. M that's 937 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,280 Speaker 1: a great question. I want you to start it off. Honestly, 938 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 1: I tend to look at it more of as a 939 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,879 Speaker 1: as like an open area. I guess even though it's 940 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: not even those full cover I you have to blow 941 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: your winds somewhere, and I know that dear dew bedding 942 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: corn fields, UM, I do know that deer absolutely feed 943 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: into corn fields, but I probably look at it more 944 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 1: as an evening food source than a betting year. I'm 945 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 1: making assumptions here, but my guess is that more dear 946 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,319 Speaker 1: feed in the corn fields around me than bed in them, 947 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,760 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of good quality betting around UM. 948 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: So if I had to lean one way, I would 949 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: go that route. UM. At the same time, though, I 950 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: will look at standing corn as like a way to 951 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 1: enter an area when you have to get into a 952 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 1: spot where you can't walk through the timber and you 953 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: wanna you know, access to Accessing through a standing corn 954 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: field is not a bad way to do it. And 955 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,359 Speaker 1: so maybe even though there are some dear beded in there, 956 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: it's probably fewer. And because of how thick it is, 957 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: and because of just the the density, I think can 958 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: get away with a little bit more. You can walk 959 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: down a single row and there might be a bunch 960 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: of deer bed at a hundred yards away, but you 961 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: could get away with it, while if you were walking 962 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,720 Speaker 1: through the forest a hundred yards from bed to deer, 963 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,479 Speaker 1: you would likely blow them out. That's kind of how 964 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 1: I would lean. Yeah, what do you think it's tough? Um, 965 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 1: I've never I read this article several years ago in 966 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,320 Speaker 1: North American White Tail, and there was this guy who 967 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 1: killed all these monsters just through spotting stock in corn fields. Right. 968 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: That was his go to strategy, was spotting stocking giant 969 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: bucks in corn fields. Um. But for me, I look 970 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,440 Speaker 1: at standing corn as in two different ways. Early season 971 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,319 Speaker 1: and that includes rutt and then the late season. So 972 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,279 Speaker 1: late season obviously it's a food source. Early season rutt, 973 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: I look at it as a problem because it's just 974 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,760 Speaker 1: a whole big area of cover that that I can't access, 975 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,760 Speaker 1: I can't set up in. I have a hard time 976 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 1: knowing are the deer in there? Uh. This year it 977 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,839 Speaker 1: was a perfect example of that. So to piggyback off 978 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: what you said, other than an access route like walking 979 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,479 Speaker 1: through a standing cornfield to back door, um a draw 980 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: leading up to it, or having good cover going into 981 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 1: a tree stand, I kind of don't like standing corn 982 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: throughout the season other than if it makes it all 983 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: the way through the season into that late season time frame. Yeah, 984 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: so you're you're basically saying that you would rather have 985 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: your wind blowing over a standing cornfield than into some timber. Yeah. See, 986 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,720 Speaker 1: but then that goes again goes back into my hunting 987 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 1: strategy overall of not hunting a lot of field edges. 988 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: Now you can't really count that as a field edges. Well, 989 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,920 Speaker 1: I might just let me take that back. I personally 990 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,439 Speaker 1: would not count the edge of a standing corn field 991 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: as a field edge when the corn is standing, because 992 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: that's basically a jungle. You're in the middle of cover then, right. 993 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: But I still feel that like for me, it I 994 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 1: still kind of look at it as uh, I guess 995 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,800 Speaker 1: as a as a field edge because it's a huge 996 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: or I guess we could just say edge in general, 997 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 1: because it's a huge transition in vegetation, especially if it 998 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 1: goes from open timber to standing corn. But if there 999 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: is this this real thick you know how sometimes we 1000 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: have a from a field edge ten yards inside the 1001 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: timber it's thick because the sun hits it, then I 1002 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: don't think the stand the quote unquote field edge is 1003 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: near as good and they work the inside of the 1004 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: timber on that thick edge. Um. This that's kind of 1005 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,440 Speaker 1: my experience. But I just I guess I haven't seen 1006 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: the um I haven't seen in the past where it's 1007 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,720 Speaker 1: worked either way. So that's why I'm in the timber 1008 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 1: or in more cover. You know, another thing just came 1009 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 1: to my mind as you were talking about how you 1010 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: think about standing corn differently throughout the year, is that 1011 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,320 Speaker 1: it is important to think about how deer use corn 1012 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: differently throughout the year. So in the summer and early season, 1013 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: they're not really feeding on that corn too much. It's 1014 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 1: not until later in the year that the corn becomes 1015 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: like very, very attractive. So if you've got a season 1016 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: open in September even early October, that's probably not top 1017 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: food source. So it really is just a betting area 1018 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: or a transition area. Um at that point you don't 1019 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,080 Speaker 1: need to think about much feeding going on at all, 1020 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 1: because it's probably better things. But once you get into 1021 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,479 Speaker 1: late October obviously than November and December, once it gets 1022 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: colder and that corn is really dried down, then it 1023 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 1: becomes a major food source. So that's another thing to 1024 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,800 Speaker 1: think about as well. I wouldn't when if I'm coming 1025 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: out in the evening and I've got a standing corn field, 1026 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,520 Speaker 1: I would not want to be walking through a standing 1027 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 1: corn field after dark in the because that thing is 1028 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: probably full of deer. So yeah, it depends on on 1029 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: what other food sources are in the area. If you 1030 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: have a lot of green foliage on the ground, then 1031 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,240 Speaker 1: I would be less um, I would be more apt. 1032 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,399 Speaker 1: Or you had a good acorn crap, I'd be more 1033 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,120 Speaker 1: apt to walking through the corn field on the way 1034 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 1: back to the truck as opposed to, uh, finding a 1035 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: different way and a lot of it. I mean, there's 1036 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,920 Speaker 1: so many very variables that you know, and each scenario 1037 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: is different. Right If you have one of those places 1038 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,319 Speaker 1: where dear just pile out of the timber because I 1039 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,800 Speaker 1: don't know, they don't have that's that's the only food 1040 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: source in the area. I don't I don't have that. 1041 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: There's so much other food in the area that they 1042 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: don't necessarily need to eat the corn. Interesting. Yeah, well 1043 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: you said a lot of different factors to play. Yeah. Um. 1044 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,359 Speaker 1: How about this question from Alex what do you look 1045 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 1: for when scouting at this time of year? So it's 1046 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: February March time frame, we're looking forward to the next 1047 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,719 Speaker 1: hunting season this months away. Is there anything you can 1048 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,280 Speaker 1: be looking at right now that will help you scout 1049 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:16,160 Speaker 1: for next fall? Where's your my head is terrain period? 1050 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: I really love this time of year getting out especially 1051 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 1: with with snow on the ground. And this is more 1052 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 1: of a Midwestern type strategy, but you can still go 1053 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,720 Speaker 1: out and do this in a southern state with no terrain, 1054 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 1: uh like no snow on the ground. Look for subtleties 1055 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,279 Speaker 1: in terrain, look for the low spots, look for um 1056 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,919 Speaker 1: right now, A big thing that I'm looking for on 1057 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,400 Speaker 1: on X and UM when I do my my scouting 1058 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: is these things I call spur ridges where it's just 1059 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,759 Speaker 1: a it's a terrain feature coming off of a main 1060 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,960 Speaker 1: ridge that leads down into the drainage or um, another 1061 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: slight depression in a ridge where that, dear you, is 1062 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: just so they're taking the lowest spot up into whatever 1063 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 1: it is they're trying to access, um little dips or 1064 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 1: you know. And and then and then scout look for 1065 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,640 Speaker 1: sign around those areas. And then the only other thing 1066 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: left to do really is is hunt those areas in 1067 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: the seat during the season to see if in fact 1068 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,600 Speaker 1: that terrain feature is worth hunting. Market off your list 1069 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: and move on. Yeah, And I think I think your 1070 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,440 Speaker 1: focus on terrain is is a good one at this 1071 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 1: time of year, because that's something that's the same no 1072 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: matter what time of year it is the terrain, the ridges, 1073 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 1: the slopes, the hills, the valleys, etcetera. Cover obviously changes 1074 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,760 Speaker 1: a lot, so veil cover right now in February is 1075 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 1: a lot different than it will be in September. So 1076 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,520 Speaker 1: dear behavior relating to cover will be different, but how 1077 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 1: they move along a ridge will be very similar. Might 1078 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,439 Speaker 1: adjust a little bit if it was more leafy cover 1079 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: at some point. But yeah, that's a big thing to 1080 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 1: look for, and I really like having that just allows 1081 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 1: you to confirm things so much better than any other 1082 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: time of year. If if if only to tell you 1083 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 1: what to think about in late November and December, that's 1084 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,680 Speaker 1: still helpful. Um, But you can see, oh yeah, all 1085 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: these tracks do walk down the bottom third of you know, 1086 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 1: one third of the way down the ridge, or they 1087 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,600 Speaker 1: do use a little spur, or you do see that 1088 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,960 Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of deer betting on this point, 1089 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,800 Speaker 1: just like you thought there would have been. You you 1090 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: always assume there was, and now you can actually see 1091 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: it laid out in the snow, no questions asked. Um, 1092 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, I was out on the back forty last week, 1093 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: took a little scouting run because I always I would 1094 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,440 Speaker 1: like to get at least one snowy day scouting session 1095 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,840 Speaker 1: on every farm just to see that stuff laid out there. Um. 1096 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,120 Speaker 1: And I discovered a little knob that extended out into 1097 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: the swamp that I never walked through last year for 1098 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,480 Speaker 1: some reason, and there was like twenty beds on it. 1099 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,040 Speaker 1: There was all sorts of deer in there right now, 1100 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying they're all going to be there 1101 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 1: in October, but it's still good to know that that 1102 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 1: was a major late season betting year that I never 1103 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 1: would have thought about in the past. Um. Another thing 1104 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,920 Speaker 1: I did is I went and I was trying to 1105 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: pay attention to any buck tracks, and if I found 1106 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: a big set of buck tracks, I would backtrack it 1107 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 1: and follow the path that buck took. So you know, 1108 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 1: there's no time of year you can do that when 1109 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,120 Speaker 1: you can actually see exactly how buck moves across the landscape. 1110 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: So this is really cool. I went and I was 1111 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,280 Speaker 1: walking down along the edge of the swamp and I 1112 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,320 Speaker 1: cut a big track and I thought, this is definitely 1113 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,960 Speaker 1: looks like a buck track, really wide splayed big dew clause. Um. 1114 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,560 Speaker 1: So I start following this buck track and it takes 1115 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,800 Speaker 1: me into the middle of the swamp right into the 1116 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: middle of it, and then it starts heading due south, 1117 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 1: straight down the middle of the swamp, down towards the 1118 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: bottom of I've kind of described this swamps is like 1119 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,760 Speaker 1: a gourd, So at the top, the north end is 1120 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: like the handle of the gore, the narrow end, and 1121 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,760 Speaker 1: then it widens out into a big glob at the bottom. 1122 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: And so it's taking me straight down into the glob 1123 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 1: of the bottom, heading towards the neighbors, where it opens 1124 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:59,200 Speaker 1: up into like a very watery um cattail area. And 1125 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm following this track, and then all of a sudden, 1126 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of other bucks all merge with this bucks. 1127 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 1: So now there's a group of three or four what 1128 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,200 Speaker 1: looks like bucks, all in the same little area that 1129 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: I never got into last year because it's so gnarly 1130 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 1: in there. And of course that's where these bucks are going, 1131 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 1: and they head straight out to the edge of this 1132 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,200 Speaker 1: really watery stuff. And then right then as I'm looking, 1133 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is, of course, this is where 1134 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 1: these bucks are heading to go. There's these little points 1135 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,520 Speaker 1: of just a little bit of high ground with a 1136 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 1: bunch of I don't know if it's red oce or 1137 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,000 Speaker 1: dogwood or some autumnle of stuff, just really thick, shrubby 1138 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 1: stuff that extends little points extending out into the marshy stuff. 1139 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: And it's like picture perfect obvious betting. But it's in 1140 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: the nastiest, thickest farthest away from anywhere you can get spot. 1141 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,120 Speaker 1: And I'm sneaking out to them, like, yeah, of course 1142 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 1: this is where those bucks are going. And I'm looking 1143 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,240 Speaker 1: at them, seeing there's one tree actually hunting here. If 1144 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,080 Speaker 1: I ever want to get in there, like you know, 1145 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: November five or something, all day sit in the swamp, 1146 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,560 Speaker 1: this would be such a sweet spot. And I'm sitting 1147 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,000 Speaker 1: here looking around thinking about it, and then I hear slash, 1148 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:03,440 Speaker 1: slash slash, and then out from this point yards in 1149 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: front of me, a big bodied buck steps out into 1150 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: the open and just looks at me. He's already shed 1151 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,680 Speaker 1: his antlers, so I can just see these big knobs 1152 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,040 Speaker 1: on his head, but a big body and just stands 1153 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: there and staring at me, and I'm staring at him, like, man, 1154 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 1: this is awesome. I followed this buck right to where 1155 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,800 Speaker 1: he's bet and he walks out right in front of me. Um, 1156 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 1: just a really cool little scouting encounter that confirms, you know, 1157 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: things I wondered about and you know, gave me something 1158 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: to think about this coming season. So definitely you can 1159 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,160 Speaker 1: you can learn stuff during this time of year. Um, 1160 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, you can't see scrapes because they're covering snow possibly, 1161 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,960 Speaker 1: but if you don't have snow cover, you can see scrapes, 1162 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 1: you can see running activity from last year. That can 1163 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: be helpful if you can see rubs and stuff. Um, 1164 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,240 Speaker 1: so yeah, there's a lot. You know, I wouldn't put 1165 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: too much into exact trails and things like that that 1166 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 1: could be different when covers different, but there's certainly his 1167 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: value to be had this time of year. Right. And 1168 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 1: but the the whole, the whole point, and we both 1169 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,840 Speaker 1: agree on this, is that it's all about data collection 1170 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,480 Speaker 1: and data points and and adding all these data points together. 1171 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,680 Speaker 1: Let's say you scout in the in the uh winter 1172 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: and you see the terrain feature, you identify the terraine feature. 1173 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,000 Speaker 1: You come back in in the summer, and now what 1174 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,680 Speaker 1: you've seen is the sickness, right, all the vegetation is there, 1175 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,640 Speaker 1: and maybe what you didn't see in the winter you 1176 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:29,080 Speaker 1: see in the summer, which is edge, right, Now what 1177 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,560 Speaker 1: we're doing basically is we have a checkbox check box. Okay, 1178 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: we got terrain, a good train feature check. Oh, now 1179 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,160 Speaker 1: we got edge check. Hey check this out. It's this 1180 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,320 Speaker 1: draw leads to a food source check. So now all 1181 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:48,560 Speaker 1: we're doing is is checking this box to identify good locations, 1182 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 1: to put a tree standard, a ground blind, to ambush 1183 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,160 Speaker 1: these animals. Right, So the more checks you have in 1184 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,640 Speaker 1: that in in the check box, the better the area 1185 01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,640 Speaker 1: I feel will be. Yeah, I think it's war earth getting. 1186 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 1: I think it's helpful to do some form scouting during 1187 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: each different season of the year, just so you get 1188 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 1: that full suite of data across the board. Get the winter, 1189 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,360 Speaker 1: get the spring, get a little summer, and then of 1190 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,120 Speaker 1: course when you're hunting, thinking about scouting every time you 1191 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 1: go out there. Um, and then you have that full 1192 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 1: set that you can pull from. Yeah. Absolutely, Uh what 1193 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:30,640 Speaker 1: about this? This question comes from Daniel, and then Garrett 1194 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,520 Speaker 1: has kind of a related question. Basically, Daniel says, hey, 1195 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm a new hunter. Um no, sorry this one. Daniel, 1196 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,360 Speaker 1: he's starting a group trying to help educate some of 1197 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 1: his neighbors on how to hunt, and he's wondering about 1198 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,120 Speaker 1: low budget starter kits for a new hunter. Excuse me 1199 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 1: the hiccups. I get hiccups a lot when I'm on 1200 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,400 Speaker 1: this podcast for some reason. I think because I'm always 1201 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,640 Speaker 1: I drink coffee, and I think once I get towards 1202 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 1: the end of the coffee, you have swallowed so much 1203 01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 1: air as I'm talking and drinking coffee that end up 1204 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,280 Speaker 1: getting But what I'm trying to say is the question 1205 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,320 Speaker 1: is some kind of recommended cheap way to get started, 1206 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,520 Speaker 1: Like what's the bare essentials that you need to start hunting? Um? 1207 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,720 Speaker 1: I think I would tell you that you know, just 1208 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,000 Speaker 1: and again let's just say you've got the bare bones buttet. 1209 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,480 Speaker 1: I would just get some basic decent clothing. They can 1210 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,960 Speaker 1: get you out and there were with some basic camouflage. Um, 1211 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,200 Speaker 1: something that's gonna keep you warm and keep you dry 1212 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,400 Speaker 1: so you're not soaking wet. So try to get some 1213 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,160 Speaker 1: half decent bass layers so you're not drenched. But you 1214 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,640 Speaker 1: don't need to spend thousands of dollars on the best camel, 1215 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,440 Speaker 1: which you know, we'd like to have good stuff, but 1216 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: you don't have to have it. Read away. UM, I 1217 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,480 Speaker 1: would tell you to not feel bad about getting one 1218 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,080 Speaker 1: of those starter kit bows. I think that those are 1219 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,280 Speaker 1: all pretty decent these days. That's what I started with. 1220 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 1: My first compound was one of those pre set up 1221 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 1: compounds from Cabela's. I bet she was like three hundred 1222 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,280 Speaker 1: bucks or two fifty or something. It came with all 1223 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: the accessories, and you know, it's not top of the line, 1224 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,960 Speaker 1: but it is plenty good enough to get out there 1225 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,080 Speaker 1: shooting and to be able to get a deer. Um. 1226 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: I would set a very high level. That's a good 1227 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,480 Speaker 1: route to go from the boat if you're gonna go 1228 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,440 Speaker 1: bow hunting. UM, gun hunting. I mean, there's a lot 1229 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: of very effective begin to arrange rifles or shotguns. You 1230 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 1: don't need. None of the fancy stuff is absolutely necessary. 1231 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,120 Speaker 1: It's just if you want to get really really serious, 1232 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,040 Speaker 1: really really detailed with things. Um, But to get started, 1233 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,600 Speaker 1: don't stress over that stuff. Don't be afraid to borrow. 1234 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,400 Speaker 1: That's a good point. There is a lot I mean, 1235 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 1: for a bow that might be hard to do because 1236 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,960 Speaker 1: you have to have the same exact schematics as the 1237 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,560 Speaker 1: guy who you're borrowing from. But if you're a gun hunter, 1238 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, I know a lot of people who would 1239 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,000 Speaker 1: just be willing to give you a gun to let 1240 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,160 Speaker 1: you borrow it for a season, because they have plenty 1241 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,880 Speaker 1: of guns that they that they have access to, so 1242 01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,280 Speaker 1: even borrow stuff from friends family. I think that's a 1243 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 1: that's a really good point. And another option to UM 1244 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,080 Speaker 1: is a new hunter. I know some people are just 1245 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 1: fundamentally opposed to them, But if you are interested in 1246 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,960 Speaker 1: bow hunting but you aren't yet fully comfortable, the compound 1247 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,120 Speaker 1: crossbows are very very good for new hunters as far 1248 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,080 Speaker 1: as you can pick it up and be very competent 1249 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: with it quickly. Hate them or love them, They're a 1250 01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 1: good thing for new hunters as far as I'm concerned. 1251 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:28,840 Speaker 1: So that's something to keep in mind. Yeah. Absolutely. UM So, okay, 1252 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: you need some kind of basic clothing, you need a 1253 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 1: basic entry level weapon. UM. As far as other gear, 1254 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,120 Speaker 1: I think that if someone was starting out, I wouldn't 1255 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,120 Speaker 1: even try to get them confused or intimidated with some 1256 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,560 Speaker 1: kind of elevated hunting gear. I think that maybe just 1257 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,840 Speaker 1: figure out how to hunt from the ground to start 1258 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,960 Speaker 1: might be a a safe, more comfortable route for someone new, 1259 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, because I feel like that's one of the 1260 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,040 Speaker 1: major intimidating factors for new people is the idea of 1261 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,520 Speaker 1: climbing into a tree for some people. Um, so I 1262 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: might say, hey, get a ground blind or you know, 1263 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,640 Speaker 1: get a little something, an idea of how to set 1264 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,440 Speaker 1: up behind a tree trunk or something. Just get out 1265 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,439 Speaker 1: there and learn to look for deer sign and learn 1266 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,760 Speaker 1: to see deer and have some encounters, um before you 1267 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,840 Speaker 1: go about trying to take that next step of how 1268 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,880 Speaker 1: to set up a tree stand or how to climb 1269 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,360 Speaker 1: up with sticks in the saddle or whatever. Um. That 1270 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,200 Speaker 1: that's the thought I have on there. Um And then 1271 01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:30,120 Speaker 1: what else? I mean, maybe binoculars, some basic binoculars. Yeah, 1272 01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 1: but even even even that, your eyes are good enough 1273 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,320 Speaker 1: to see that it's a deer. And if you're a 1274 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,960 Speaker 1: new hunter, you really shouldn't be focusing on unless there's 1275 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,600 Speaker 1: rules and regulations that prevents you from shooting one sex 1276 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,920 Speaker 1: or the other. Uh, you should you shouldn't even be 1277 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,479 Speaker 1: worrying about antlers. You should just shoot the first deer 1278 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,120 Speaker 1: that comes. By my opinion, Phil, Phil the freezer, have 1279 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:56,200 Speaker 1: that experience. Um, see what that's all like? So knife, yeah, yeah, 1280 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 1: so you need you need a good field dressing knife. 1281 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,760 Speaker 1: You need um, I mean a grunt tube or something's nice, 1282 01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,880 Speaker 1: but not need to have, um, some kind of backpack 1283 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,280 Speaker 1: or fanny pack or something's a nice thing. I guess 1284 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,120 Speaker 1: if you want to bring a knife and your tag 1285 01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,120 Speaker 1: and uh, you know a few other little things like that, 1286 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,800 Speaker 1: but you don't need a ton to get out there. 1287 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,639 Speaker 1: Um boots to keep you dry, clothing and keep you comfy, 1288 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,280 Speaker 1: and entry level weapon and just get out there and start. 1289 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,439 Speaker 1: And that doesn't have to cost my mormental leg um. 1290 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,519 Speaker 1: I hate to see gear being something that keeps somebody 1291 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 1: from hunting, you know, absolutely, yeah, you don't need you know, 1292 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,160 Speaker 1: Mark and I sit here and we talk about stuff 1293 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,080 Speaker 1: because we rely on our gear. So we're spending more 1294 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,919 Speaker 1: money on it because we use it more and we're seasoned. 1295 01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,120 Speaker 1: You know. I don't want to sound arrogant, but that's 1296 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,720 Speaker 1: just there. That's just you know, we want to be 1297 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: in the tree stand as long as possible throughout the 1298 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,360 Speaker 1: or out west or whatever, so we're gonna we take 1299 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,960 Speaker 1: into consideration our gear a lot more than a novice would. 1300 01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:03,040 Speaker 1: So if you novice, I mean even even solid color 1301 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,320 Speaker 1: khakis and dickies, you don't even really need camel. Just 1302 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,160 Speaker 1: be still, you know, you can get away with a 1303 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,680 Speaker 1: lot more than you think. Um. So a couple of 1304 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,920 Speaker 1: follow up questions that a couple other people have questions 1305 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,760 Speaker 1: related to mobile hunting gear. Um. Someone asked if we 1306 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,839 Speaker 1: would prefer for our running gun sets or for saddle 1307 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,120 Speaker 1: hunting or something like that. Do you prefer steps or sticks? 1308 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,120 Speaker 1: There are some mobile steps that you can like strap 1309 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,599 Speaker 1: on steps. Um. Other people like to put screwing pegs 1310 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,920 Speaker 1: up and have a bunch of trees prepped with screwing pegs, 1311 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,479 Speaker 1: but they don't put a standard saddle. So the standard 1312 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,800 Speaker 1: saddle is mobile. But they have steps in a whole 1313 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,920 Speaker 1: bunch of places. Um, what are your thoughts on that? 1314 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I know what it is. But man, 1315 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Um, those guys that tethered are 1316 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,680 Speaker 1: damn your pure pressuring me into I don't know the 1317 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,160 Speaker 1: first time that you ever drank alcohol. I was. I 1318 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,080 Speaker 1: was hanging out with a whole bunch of like one 1319 01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,920 Speaker 1: of my best friends older brothers and his friends are like, 1320 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,960 Speaker 1: come on, Johnson, you gotta do it. Man, take the 1321 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 1: sip of this beer. Come on, man, you gotta do it. 1322 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,680 Speaker 1: So I did it right. Peer pressure, I feel like 1323 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,639 Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm getting pure pressured into sitting in the saddle. Well, dude, 1324 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,040 Speaker 1: I've been They must be more effective than me, because 1325 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,120 Speaker 1: I've been trying to get you to to do it for 1326 01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 1: two years and you haven't showed any sign of breaking. 1327 01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:24,559 Speaker 1: So now finally it's you. I'd never listened to you, Okay, 1328 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:29,000 Speaker 1: fair enough. Yeah, man, I'm telling you, and I know 1329 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,639 Speaker 1: they're telling you, and it's it's it's funny. It's almost 1330 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,280 Speaker 1: it's probably annoying to hear all the people that are 1331 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,600 Speaker 1: It's like, it's definitely a bandwagon thing now, it's very trendy. 1332 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,599 Speaker 1: It's talked about a ton, it's quote unquote kind of cool. 1333 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,599 Speaker 1: It's a cool new thing. So it's gonna be really 1334 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,120 Speaker 1: annoying for people to keep hearing about all time. But 1335 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,760 Speaker 1: I just, honest to God truth for me, at least, 1336 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,519 Speaker 1: I'm not saying everyone's gonna feel the same way. But 1337 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,759 Speaker 1: for me, it was like it was a total new world. 1338 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,439 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is I'm never going back 1339 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,640 Speaker 1: after trying to So, I don't know, I'd be very 1340 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,040 Speaker 1: interested to see what you think after you try It's 1341 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,160 Speaker 1: it is. I don't know, you are like a big 1342 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,400 Speaker 1: bodied person, so maybe it won't be as comfortable for 1343 01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,040 Speaker 1: you as it is for me. I don't know, Um, 1344 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,720 Speaker 1: but you should try it. Yeah, I don't know. We'll 1345 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,679 Speaker 1: give it a shot. I did. I just I've I'm 1346 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,719 Speaker 1: really in my zone right now with my gear and 1347 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,879 Speaker 1: like to the point where I feel like I'm really efficient. 1348 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,240 Speaker 1: And you know, from a process standpoint, you should be 1349 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,080 Speaker 1: open to other processes. Um. But I just I'm in 1350 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,400 Speaker 1: love with what I have and it it treats me right, 1351 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,560 Speaker 1: I understand if it if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Um. 1352 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,719 Speaker 1: Someone did ask though, for a starter kit for saddle hunting. 1353 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,519 Speaker 1: That was one of the questions. So I will tell 1354 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,680 Speaker 1: you that the basics. Oh, we never answered that other 1355 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,639 Speaker 1: question too, which was sticks or steps? Um, your sticks right? Sticks? Yeah, 1356 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,519 Speaker 1: and I'm sticks too. And I will tell you that 1357 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,599 Speaker 1: I I did on a couple of places set up 1358 01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,920 Speaker 1: screwing pegs um on the back forty and my other 1359 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 1: farm where in the past I would have wanted to 1360 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,639 Speaker 1: put up a new tree stand, but instead this year, 1361 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,639 Speaker 1: I just I did put screwing pegs up the tree, 1362 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,320 Speaker 1: with the notion that if I decided I want to hunt, 1363 01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:11,920 Speaker 1: that I'll just go on my saddle and set up. 1364 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,080 Speaker 1: Then and it was nice to have those preset like that, 1365 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,920 Speaker 1: um because it does cut you know, the five minutes 1366 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,320 Speaker 1: of putting sticks up. But if I'm you know, going 1367 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,840 Speaker 1: into a new place and I don't have anything preset um, 1368 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,439 Speaker 1: I definitely prefer sticks over the strap on steps or anything. Yes, 1369 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,840 Speaker 1: now you're running lone wolf sticks? Right? Have you made 1370 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,880 Speaker 1: any modifications? Do you have? You've probably seen a lot 1371 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,720 Speaker 1: of these different things people are doing. Have you thought 1372 01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,880 Speaker 1: about up, you know, customizing or changing or getting different 1373 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,479 Speaker 1: sticks or trying anything different or where's your head out there? Yeah? 1374 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,679 Speaker 1: Not really. I Mean the only thing I really do 1375 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:48,559 Speaker 1: is I take um hockey tape black or green hockey tape, 1376 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,240 Speaker 1: and I wrap the stick itself to deaden the noise 1377 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,000 Speaker 1: and to make it more comfortable and holding when you know, 1378 01:12:55,200 --> 01:13:00,439 Speaker 1: doing the running gun. But I don't know. I all 1379 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 1: these people, it's great what they're doing, uh, you know, 1380 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,599 Speaker 1: making sound, dampening, making um uh eight ers and all 1381 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:14,040 Speaker 1: this stuff. I guess I'm I don't hunt these black 1382 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:18,360 Speaker 1: holes of public ground where you're walking in eight miles right, 1383 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:23,320 Speaker 1: I'm walking in at most. At most I have one 1384 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 1: stand and it's all wind dependent that I it will 1385 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,840 Speaker 1: take me three quarters of a mile to walk into, right, 1386 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm not walking miles and miles and miles to get back, 1387 01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,240 Speaker 1: so I'm not concerned about weight. Uh. The only thing 1388 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,439 Speaker 1: I really do was wrap my uh sticks with the 1389 01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,680 Speaker 1: hockey tape and I take my time climbing up and 1390 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,240 Speaker 1: down into the tree setting up. So noise for me 1391 01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:53,240 Speaker 1: is really not an issue. Um, you know, and unless 1392 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm sitting right on top of a bed where I 1393 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,519 Speaker 1: have to be alter quiet because I know a buck 1394 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,320 Speaker 1: is in there, do sound. It may seem loud to you, 1395 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: but you know eighty, you know, fifty eight yards away. 1396 01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,760 Speaker 1: Unless it's dead quiet and it's a high pressure day, 1397 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 1: you're not that sound isn't gonna travel very far. Again, 1398 01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,439 Speaker 1: all my all my opinions, I'm gonna push on you 1399 01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,040 Speaker 1: a little bit there because I do think that, right, dear, 1400 01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,920 Speaker 1: do have much bigger, much more accurate ears than we do. 1401 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,720 Speaker 1: So what we hear, it's hard to imagine what their 1402 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,240 Speaker 1: experience might be, and it's likely much greater more tuned 1403 01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,400 Speaker 1: than than ours are. So I would just say that 1404 01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,760 Speaker 1: if I was going to recommend you do anything, if 1405 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,000 Speaker 1: if you were, if I if I had the luxury 1406 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,719 Speaker 1: of telling you to make one change, Dan, I would 1407 01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,479 Speaker 1: tell you to consider at least getting rid of the 1408 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,759 Speaker 1: buckles on your straps on your sticks, because those things 1409 01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,639 Speaker 1: just seem to be you make one little miss que 1410 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,040 Speaker 1: with your hand, and if one strap goes sliding down 1411 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,800 Speaker 1: or swinging down and smacks against another thing, even if 1412 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,040 Speaker 1: you've got a hockey stick, it's gonna make some noise. 1413 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,040 Speaker 1: And then especially if you ding against the step or 1414 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,160 Speaker 1: any kind of metal and metal contact, that stuff is 1415 01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,120 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I always worry about that. So 1416 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,040 Speaker 1: one thing I did, that's a very simple thing. Um 1417 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,680 Speaker 1: is I got and you can do a d I 1418 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,920 Speaker 1: y work around this. But there's something that's from Tethered two. 1419 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,160 Speaker 1: It's called the Versus strap. You've seeing these. It's just 1420 01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,719 Speaker 1: basically a daisy chain. So it's it's like a strap 1421 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,720 Speaker 1: with a bunch of loops in it. And so you 1422 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,320 Speaker 1: just take off the regular strap with a buckle from 1423 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,760 Speaker 1: your sticks and you put this on. You put one 1424 01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,679 Speaker 1: loop over the Versa button, and then you've got another 1425 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,439 Speaker 1: loop that you wrap it on the tree and they 1426 01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,320 Speaker 1: just loop it over. You just pick the right hole 1427 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,640 Speaker 1: that gets the tightness you need. So now I've got 1428 01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,719 Speaker 1: a strap with no buckles, with nothing that can make noise, 1429 01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,320 Speaker 1: and um, just it makes it much easier and quieter 1430 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,599 Speaker 1: for me to set up. So that's one little update 1431 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,120 Speaker 1: I made to my sticks that I like. But but yeah, 1432 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,439 Speaker 1: either way, I like sticks too. I'm thinking about buying 1433 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,720 Speaker 1: new sticks. This yere um still on the side on 1434 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,240 Speaker 1: which brand I'm gonna go with. But um, so you 1435 01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,400 Speaker 1: want to know why I don't really like think sound 1436 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,120 Speaker 1: is as big of an issue unless a deer may 1437 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:16,599 Speaker 1: already be spooked, is I was? It was late October 1438 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 1: one year, and I'm sitting here perfect night, you know 1439 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:24,200 Speaker 1: those late October evenings where you just feel like you're 1440 01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,280 Speaker 1: in the right position. You know, there's got to be 1441 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,280 Speaker 1: a mature bucket here somewhere or whatever. And out of 1442 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,840 Speaker 1: the you know, I'm glassing this. Uh there's still like 1443 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,519 Speaker 1: a standing cornfield on the opposite side of this little 1444 01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,679 Speaker 1: not really a marsh, but a wet spot in between 1445 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,599 Speaker 1: a timber and an egg field. So I was hunting 1446 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,880 Speaker 1: this crp field with a wet spot in it, and 1447 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,960 Speaker 1: I see some movement and there he is. It's one 1448 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,880 Speaker 1: of my target bucks, and he's probably he's in this tree. 1449 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,920 Speaker 1: Line strip of trees, and then probably fifty yards was 1450 01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:01,400 Speaker 1: a um was the cornfield. And then all of a sudden, 1451 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,160 Speaker 1: I see or I hear the combine startup and it 1452 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:12,479 Speaker 1: starts to combine that field, and that combine goes fifty 1453 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,639 Speaker 1: yards away from this buck, and his body language does 1454 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,240 Speaker 1: not even change. He's just sitting there eating his cut 1455 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,760 Speaker 1: and two three four laps around the field, and that 1456 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,920 Speaker 1: buck is just standing there. So I feel like if 1457 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,440 Speaker 1: a if a buck isn't gonna move with a combine 1458 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,800 Speaker 1: fifty yards away from him, then my my small little 1459 01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,680 Speaker 1: clank on a on my tree stand isn't going to 1460 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,680 Speaker 1: affect him either. I don't know. See. I feel like 1461 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,960 Speaker 1: that's all context though, and that I agree that dear 1462 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,200 Speaker 1: knows that that combine is you know, that's a sound 1463 01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,559 Speaker 1: that they're used to. But the sound of like a 1464 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,400 Speaker 1: single little ding ding ding, that's a that's that's a 1465 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,160 Speaker 1: weird thing out of place in here. Um. I think 1466 01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:00,960 Speaker 1: you can get away. I think you could do it. 1467 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,760 Speaker 1: You could probably get away with better access to your 1468 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,960 Speaker 1: tree stand by taking a chainsaw. Here's my new X idea. 1469 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,439 Speaker 1: When you're going into hunt your stands, if you've got 1470 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,120 Speaker 1: a hard to get to place. Go in there with 1471 01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:17,240 Speaker 1: a chainsaw, idling dun walk all the way to your 1472 01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,240 Speaker 1: tree stand with an idling chainsaw, and then get set up. 1473 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:21,720 Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing where I feel like you 1474 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,200 Speaker 1: can get away with like farm work and that kind 1475 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:28,160 Speaker 1: of stuff. It's like the sneaky quiet sounds, the ones 1476 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,400 Speaker 1: that dear like that's that's not supposed to be here. Um. 1477 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, but for for everything I've said and 1478 01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:41,519 Speaker 1: believe in, I can contradict myself with another thing that 1479 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,600 Speaker 1: I've seen from the tree stand as well, you know 1480 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,519 Speaker 1: what I mean. So whatever, Yeah, that's that's what keeps 1481 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,320 Speaker 1: us going right because we don't have it all figured out. 1482 01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,519 Speaker 1: Um okay, so yes, sticks, sticks through the way to 1483 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,519 Speaker 1: go from mobile hunting, I think. Um. To Garrett's question 1484 01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,320 Speaker 1: about the starter kit for saddle hunting, UM, I would 1485 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,840 Speaker 1: say get sticks. I would say, um, again, if you're 1486 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,520 Speaker 1: trying to be as like as budget tight as possible, 1487 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,720 Speaker 1: get the saddle of whatever choice, whatever brand you like. 1488 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,680 Speaker 1: I like the tether one. Um. The platform is really 1489 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,720 Speaker 1: really nice. I love having one. But if you have 1490 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,960 Speaker 1: to skimp somewhere, you could probably probably get away with 1491 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,400 Speaker 1: just a couple of screwing pegs. If you don't want 1492 01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,000 Speaker 1: to spend a couple hundred bucks on the platform, excuse me, 1493 01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,720 Speaker 1: just throwing a couple of pegs and that works. I've 1494 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,400 Speaker 1: done that. It's fine. Um, So that saves you some money. 1495 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,720 Speaker 1: You need alignment's belt and you need to tether, um. 1496 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,160 Speaker 1: But that's it. That's all you absolutely have to have. 1497 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,200 Speaker 1: You can get all these different recliner straps, you can 1498 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,760 Speaker 1: get little baggies, the whole things. You can get um, 1499 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,559 Speaker 1: you know, the fancy insulators and stuff. It's nice to have, 1500 01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,519 Speaker 1: but you don't have to have it. So get a tether, 1501 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,559 Speaker 1: get alignment's belt, get some sticks, get some pegs, and 1502 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,360 Speaker 1: you can be up in the tree and going without 1503 01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,719 Speaker 1: spending a bun to money on fifteen different trees, stands 1504 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:08,600 Speaker 1: and stuff. So that is the starter kit for saddle hunting. Um. 1505 01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,720 Speaker 1: What else? If you have to pick one week to 1506 01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:15,920 Speaker 1: shed hunt, Dan, what would your best week of shed hunting? Bee? Man? 1507 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,400 Speaker 1: This is such a how do I put this? It's 1508 01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:25,719 Speaker 1: only me question? Right, It's like, so, what's your favorite 1509 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,720 Speaker 1: thing to do? Right? So my favorite is different than 1510 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,439 Speaker 1: everybody else's. But I dude, I have found that the 1511 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,880 Speaker 1: late last week in February. Probably probably the last week 1512 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,880 Speaker 1: in February or the first week in March, or in 1513 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,719 Speaker 1: my actually, in my experiences, the where I find found 1514 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:46,880 Speaker 1: the most sheds consistently. Yeah, yeah, I'd say somewhere right 1515 01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:52,479 Speaker 1: in that sand ballpark. I would probably pick the I 1516 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,320 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm torn between those two as well, because 1517 01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:55,840 Speaker 1: I would. I used to think the first week in 1518 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,559 Speaker 1: March all the time, but there's so many more people 1519 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,479 Speaker 1: out there shed hunting these days. I hate getting chewed 1520 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:07,280 Speaker 1: up antlers. Um, So yeah, late February, early March. It's 1521 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,160 Speaker 1: hard to go wrong with those dates. And you certainly 1522 01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,639 Speaker 1: can find him sooner, and you can certainly find him later. 1523 01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,280 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that too. There's obviously vary ability. 1524 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:20,599 Speaker 1: I found trans to sheds January match set. So it's 1525 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:29,240 Speaker 1: never the earliest you've ever found a shed angler, m Um, 1526 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,000 Speaker 1: that might be it. That actually might be my earliest 1527 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,679 Speaker 1: sheds trying. No, let me take that back. There's one time, 1528 01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,200 Speaker 1: and I didn't actually find it, but a guy, a 1529 01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,599 Speaker 1: neighbor was tracking a buck through the farm I can hunt, 1530 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,240 Speaker 1: and I was out there helping him track it, and 1531 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:47,200 Speaker 1: he found a shed in late December, so from that year. 1532 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:48,880 Speaker 1: From that year, yep, it was a fresh might just 1533 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,479 Speaker 1: just dropped in late December, so I didn't technically find it, 1534 01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:55,439 Speaker 1: but that's the earliest when I've been around. Yeah, so 1535 01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:00,000 Speaker 1: I would say late December. I found one January or 1536 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,479 Speaker 1: excuse me, December, so it was it was a real 1537 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,000 Speaker 1: fresh one too. And then the next one, the next 1538 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:15,480 Speaker 1: earliest was January seven. They're definitely out there, yep. Um 1539 01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:20,599 Speaker 1: Derek asked us if we've ever heard of gut pile farts. Danny, 1540 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,800 Speaker 1: you heard of gut pile farts? I mean, I've heard 1541 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,400 Speaker 1: of them, but I don't think I've ever had them. 1542 01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:31,000 Speaker 1: So okay, I'll try to explain this. Um, So, isn't 1543 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:36,439 Speaker 1: the deal that after you gut a deer, supposedly your 1544 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,479 Speaker 1: farts will smelling a gut pile. Yeah, so if you 1545 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,479 Speaker 1: breathe in the smell of a gut pile, somehow that 1546 01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,040 Speaker 1: makes it through your entire system that when you fart, 1547 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,960 Speaker 1: it smells like a gut pile of a deer. So 1548 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,960 Speaker 1: you don't think there's any truth to that? Come on, 1549 01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,360 Speaker 1: it sounds perfectly reasonable of me, right right. I mean, 1550 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:03,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how long it takes some people to 1551 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,000 Speaker 1: gut a deer. But it takes me, maybe, let's just 1552 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,719 Speaker 1: say at most to get in there get everything ripped out. 1553 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,280 Speaker 1: I would say ten minutes, right, I mean, really it 1554 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,960 Speaker 1: doesn't take you know, I don't know unless something else 1555 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,960 Speaker 1: is happening there about ten minutes it takes to get 1556 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,799 Speaker 1: a deer. How Like, just imagine how much gut pile 1557 01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,120 Speaker 1: odor you would have to breathe in your system in 1558 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:39,559 Speaker 1: order for you too then farted out your back. That's 1559 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,400 Speaker 1: a lot of gut pile odor. But there are supposedly 1560 01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,400 Speaker 1: like tons of people that talk about this and believe 1561 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:53,400 Speaker 1: in it. Have you ever farted before? Really? My son? 1562 01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,880 Speaker 1: My son is just to discovering farts down And it's 1563 01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,840 Speaker 1: pretty funny to see, is like his eyes like when 1564 01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,960 Speaker 1: we toots, he who to his head, his eyes get 1565 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:10,240 Speaker 1: really big. It's pretty funny. Anyways, did you but like, uh, 1566 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,479 Speaker 1: have you ever farted? And it smelled exactly like a 1567 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:19,080 Speaker 1: beef burger? And it was smelled delicious? No, yes, you 1568 01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,760 Speaker 1: have come on, you had never won? No, I never 1569 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,840 Speaker 1: had a delicious smelling fart. Oh damn, Now I'm hungry 1570 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:31,120 Speaker 1: for beef burgers. You've never had he never. I want 1571 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,920 Speaker 1: to make two points. Number One, I've never found a 1572 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,720 Speaker 1: fart to be appetized and the fact that you have 1573 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,240 Speaker 1: is seriously concerning. Number two, you do know that you're 1574 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,240 Speaker 1: now the board director of a serious conservation organization and 1575 01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,960 Speaker 1: you are now talking about farts on the podcast. They 1576 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,800 Speaker 1: knew what they were getting when they hired me. Oh yeah, 1577 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:55,599 Speaker 1: just credibility going down the pipe so fast. Hey, this 1578 01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:01,080 Speaker 1: is launching on your podcast by so so. Our buddy 1579 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,960 Speaker 1: Spencer actually wrote an article about this over on the 1580 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,200 Speaker 1: Mediator website and he talked to some different scientists about it, 1581 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:14,559 Speaker 1: and supposedly the experts on the topic is that number one, 1582 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,040 Speaker 1: this is absolutely an old lives tale. This is not 1583 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,519 Speaker 1: actually something that happens. Your farts will not smell like 1584 01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,760 Speaker 1: gut piles and any kind of objective way. Um. But 1585 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,120 Speaker 1: they did talk about the fact that there are um 1586 01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:34,200 Speaker 1: serious like smell and memories are strongly tied together. So 1587 01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,120 Speaker 1: there might be like some funky psychological thing going on 1588 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,000 Speaker 1: if if those farts bring back the memory of the 1589 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,960 Speaker 1: cup pile, if you're eating something maybe that's tied to 1590 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,280 Speaker 1: if you have some kind of que it might bring 1591 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:50,519 Speaker 1: that memory back up. Um. But but no, it seems 1592 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,720 Speaker 1: like that's one of those crazy rumors that doesn't have 1593 01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:57,080 Speaker 1: any science to back it up. Yeah, well, there you go, 1594 01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:02,439 Speaker 1: there go. Um Kay is a Michigan hunter. He's been 1595 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,400 Speaker 1: hunting for five years. He's killed three doughs so far, 1596 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,519 Speaker 1: but now he's really trying to get his first buck. 1597 01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,960 Speaker 1: What's the best piece of advice to take that step 1598 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,080 Speaker 1: from having killed does to now wanting to finally get 1599 01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:20,280 Speaker 1: a buck? Man, I honestly think it's just a I mean, 1600 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,800 Speaker 1: first off, if you ask me, three does in five 1601 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,640 Speaker 1: years is really good for a beginner hunter? What do 1602 01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,320 Speaker 1: you think is that a good I'd agree it's a 1603 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,519 Speaker 1: great start. Um. So what I would say is, m 1604 01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, don't go out looking if you want to 1605 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,160 Speaker 1: kill a buck, kill a buck, but don't go out 1606 01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:45,960 Speaker 1: looking for some kind of unrealistic, unattainable goal. If you 1607 01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,000 Speaker 1: just be patient in the same tree stands that you're 1608 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,080 Speaker 1: sitting in and just pass up, pass up those doughs, 1609 01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,559 Speaker 1: I feel like young bucks will be right behind him 1610 01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,240 Speaker 1: at some point. I think that's a pretty good point. 1611 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,639 Speaker 1: I think you're pretty much absolutely right that is true. 1612 01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,360 Speaker 1: The one thing I would add to that, I was 1613 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:09,840 Speaker 1: just piggyback on that would be that you do need 1614 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,559 Speaker 1: to take things. I would just say, if you want to, 1615 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,240 Speaker 1: on average have a better chance with a buck, you 1616 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,200 Speaker 1: have to kind of take your attention to detail up 1617 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,760 Speaker 1: a couple of notches simply from the fact that they're 1618 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,599 Speaker 1: just almost everywhere there are more doughs than bucks. There's 1619 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,879 Speaker 1: gonna be a ratio of a larger number of females 1620 01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,200 Speaker 1: to males, just based on hunting implications in most states. 1621 01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,840 Speaker 1: So there's just gonna be fewer targets out there. And 1622 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,559 Speaker 1: so because of that, you have to get past more dear. 1623 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,080 Speaker 1: You have to avoid more mistakes in order for that 1624 01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,639 Speaker 1: rare dear to come by. And like you just said, Dan, 1625 01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,960 Speaker 1: step number one is starting to pass on those doughs. 1626 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,640 Speaker 1: So but once you start passing doughs, once you have 1627 01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,439 Speaker 1: a door or two walking close to you and then 1628 01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,519 Speaker 1: walking past you, you open yourself up for more possible mistakes. 1629 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,160 Speaker 1: So is your send control good enough? Did you are 1630 01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,240 Speaker 1: you being quiet enough? Did you set up in a 1631 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,080 Speaker 1: way that your wind isn't gonna blow where those deer are? 1632 01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,800 Speaker 1: All those little things that maybe didn't matter when you're 1633 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,919 Speaker 1: just trying to kill the first deer that walked by. 1634 01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,640 Speaker 1: They matter now, Um, so I would just start, you 1635 01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,360 Speaker 1: know it, just a little bit more ramping it up. 1636 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,960 Speaker 1: If you were thinking about, okay, maybe the way you 1637 01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,200 Speaker 1: learned to kill your first dear was find a place 1638 01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,000 Speaker 1: where there's a lot of deer tracks, find food source. 1639 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,080 Speaker 1: There was a bunch of deer tracks, and sit close 1640 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:24,840 Speaker 1: to that. And that's not a bad way. If you're 1641 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,360 Speaker 1: just trying to simply get around some deer and shoot 1642 01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:28,880 Speaker 1: some doughs, that might be able to get you a 1643 01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,559 Speaker 1: couple of dolls. Now, the next step might be thinking 1644 01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,600 Speaker 1: about your wind direction, So thinking about, okay, where's my 1645 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,559 Speaker 1: wind blowing, so that as I'm sitting here, there's not 1646 01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna be deer smelling me as they come towards me. 1647 01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,920 Speaker 1: But also so the deer that get past me won't 1648 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,320 Speaker 1: win me too. Maybe that's another thing that will help. Um. 1649 01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,280 Speaker 1: So all the little bits and pieces start to matter 1650 01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,080 Speaker 1: a little bit more once you're looking for a buck, 1651 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,479 Speaker 1: even a year and a half old buck. The just 1652 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,640 Speaker 1: because of that rarity, um, it comes a little bit 1653 01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,559 Speaker 1: more of a question. Yeah. And also then I mean, 1654 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,680 Speaker 1: depending on where you're at two like a year and 1655 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,880 Speaker 1: a half old buck in Michigan is a lot harder 1656 01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,280 Speaker 1: to see than a year and a half old buck 1657 01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:10,040 Speaker 1: in Montana or probably Asle or someone UM, So that 1658 01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,200 Speaker 1: challenge level is going to be different as well. UM. 1659 01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,760 Speaker 1: But you know one other thing I just mentioned that 1660 01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,840 Speaker 1: if you're starting to hunt bucks other than does UM 1661 01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,200 Speaker 1: during most parts of the year, the same basic strategy 1662 01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,000 Speaker 1: works UM early season, late season. You know, it's a 1663 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,920 Speaker 1: betting defeating type of movement. But the one time it's 1664 01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,800 Speaker 1: different is during the rut. So if you're focused on 1665 01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,160 Speaker 1: bucks during the rut, the biggest difference, and this is 1666 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,200 Speaker 1: one on one stuff that everyone most everyone listening knows already, 1667 01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,599 Speaker 1: but i'll just say it for new folks, that during 1668 01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,920 Speaker 1: the rut, so that's for most parts of the country, 1669 01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,120 Speaker 1: that's in November late October, that's when the bucks are 1670 01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,040 Speaker 1: trying to breed dose. So at that point your bucks 1671 01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,120 Speaker 1: are more often going to be trying to travel in 1672 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,080 Speaker 1: between dough betting areas. So finding those thick places that 1673 01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,880 Speaker 1: does are betting and learning how bucks moved between the two. 1674 01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,880 Speaker 1: That's a spot like a funnel or pinch point you'll 1675 01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,920 Speaker 1: hear's call it. That's a place to look, or getting 1676 01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,280 Speaker 1: downwind of dope betting years or dope feeding years, which 1677 01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,519 Speaker 1: is where these bucks will crews to try to smell 1678 01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,960 Speaker 1: the doughs. So that's one other small tactical difference that 1679 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,880 Speaker 1: can help you be in a better position for a 1680 01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:21,640 Speaker 1: buck versus a dough Yeah, yep, I agree, uh, Doc asked, 1681 01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,519 Speaker 1: by the way, yes, uh, he said he's moving to Iowa. 1682 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,920 Speaker 1: How do you go about shrinking the learning curve when 1683 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:33,680 Speaker 1: hunting a new state? You find it more states than me, Um, 1684 01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:37,840 Speaker 1: I would tell you do your e scouting. So before 1685 01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,479 Speaker 1: we go to a new place, whether that's for one 1686 01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,600 Speaker 1: week trip or if you're gonna spend a bunch of 1687 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,880 Speaker 1: time hunting, I mean, definitely study the maps. Learn the maps. Um. 1688 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,400 Speaker 1: In most I mean I've hunted I don't know fifteen 1689 01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,600 Speaker 1: different states for white tails something like that. They're basically 1690 01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,519 Speaker 1: the same animal everywhere. They've got their little differences here 1691 01:30:54,520 --> 01:31:00,920 Speaker 1: and there. Definitely, the level of UM can earn that 1692 01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,160 Speaker 1: they demonstrate for hunters or for mistakes and stuff is different. 1693 01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,839 Speaker 1: So from one state to another, from a heavily pressure 1694 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,800 Speaker 1: state to a lesser pressure state, you can get away 1695 01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,280 Speaker 1: with more or less, but basically like they do the 1696 01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,280 Speaker 1: things we just talked about. They go from betting airs 1697 01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:17,800 Speaker 1: defeating years. They cruise during the rut um they want cover, 1698 01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:21,880 Speaker 1: they will walk through, you know, the path at least 1699 01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,600 Speaker 1: resistance when they're trying to move from point A to 1700 01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,160 Speaker 1: point B as long as they feel safe. Those basic 1701 01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,599 Speaker 1: things are the same no matter what. But look at 1702 01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,519 Speaker 1: your maps first before you get there, pick out the 1703 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:35,559 Speaker 1: best places based off of your knowledge of terrain and 1704 01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,880 Speaker 1: cover on the maps. So pick out the places that 1705 01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,720 Speaker 1: look like pinch points, pick out the places that look 1706 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,479 Speaker 1: like betting airs, pick out the places that look like 1707 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,920 Speaker 1: food food sources. Um. And then as soon as you 1708 01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,760 Speaker 1: get there, if you're moving there, it's different. You've got 1709 01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,599 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of time. But once you get there 1710 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,080 Speaker 1: on the ground, then at least you've shortened your learning 1711 01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,240 Speaker 1: curve a little bit because now you just go focus 1712 01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:59,080 Speaker 1: on those top spots first. Scout those high probability areas first, 1713 01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,160 Speaker 1: especially if you're on week trip or something and you've 1714 01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,760 Speaker 1: got very minimal time, you know, hit those things and 1715 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,479 Speaker 1: ground truth them. Um. That's a way to be a 1716 01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,920 Speaker 1: little bit more efficient. UM. But I would secondly just 1717 01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,320 Speaker 1: say spend as much time watching as you possibly can. 1718 01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,559 Speaker 1: So if you're moving there, get out there and watch 1719 01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,400 Speaker 1: places in the summer, just watch them, see him, observe. 1720 01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,439 Speaker 1: I don't think anything can help you better than just 1721 01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:24,200 Speaker 1: simply observing an area, and then once you're in hunting 1722 01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,760 Speaker 1: season two, do the same thing. Use observation stands for 1723 01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,600 Speaker 1: a while once you're getting started. Don't feel like you 1724 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,320 Speaker 1: have to strike right away, step back and watch, and 1725 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,840 Speaker 1: then push closer and closer as you learn more. I 1726 01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:40,280 Speaker 1: think that is a It's not like revolutionary advice at all, 1727 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,040 Speaker 1: but I think that is kind of how I've approached 1728 01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,599 Speaker 1: most of my new states. As I first scout, then 1729 01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,519 Speaker 1: I ground truth, and then I observe and a just 1730 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,960 Speaker 1: observe and adjust. And that's kind of what I've done 1731 01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,360 Speaker 1: every different state. You just figure it out as you go. Yep. 1732 01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:59,400 Speaker 1: So he's moving to Iowa, right, Yeah, yep. So I 1733 01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,160 Speaker 1: think move ing to a state and learning how to 1734 01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:06,040 Speaker 1: hunt it and visiting it for a five day window 1735 01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,800 Speaker 1: or however long your trip is are there's gonna be 1736 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,639 Speaker 1: some of the same things. But at least now when 1737 01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:16,040 Speaker 1: you move to a new state, you're able to if 1738 01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,040 Speaker 1: you do make a mistake, you have more time to 1739 01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,960 Speaker 1: recover from it as opposed to a five day window. 1740 01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,479 Speaker 1: Let's say you make a mistake, You're you could be 1741 01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:30,320 Speaker 1: screwed right Um, and especially Iowa or any states, get 1742 01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:35,040 Speaker 1: to know people in the surrounding area. Find a local 1743 01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:39,200 Speaker 1: group of hunters and and chit chat with him, become 1744 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,800 Speaker 1: friends with him, uh, talk to him, ask them you know, 1745 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, hey, where's good public or and and that's 1746 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,320 Speaker 1: gonna be hard to find in a state like Iowa. 1747 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,639 Speaker 1: But and when people find it, they're pretty closed lips 1748 01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:57,639 Speaker 1: about it. But knock on doors, talk to people. If 1749 01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,200 Speaker 1: you're moving to a new state, you got to know 1750 01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:02,880 Speaker 1: the area and the people who live in that area. 1751 01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:08,080 Speaker 1: And that is your inn to uh a farm, whether 1752 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,200 Speaker 1: it's an IO or whether whether it's in a different state. 1753 01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,920 Speaker 1: If you want to hunt on a piece of property, uh, 1754 01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,080 Speaker 1: you got to know the landowner. Knock on their door, 1755 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,400 Speaker 1: start a relationship with them, and they may tell you 1756 01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,559 Speaker 1: know the first year or two, but then who knows. 1757 01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:25,360 Speaker 1: Your three four, five might be your opportunity to prove yourself. Yeah, 1758 01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,360 Speaker 1: I like your idea about just getting to know people. 1759 01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,559 Speaker 1: That's that's such a it's a non technical thing. But 1760 01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,320 Speaker 1: it probably makes as much of a difference as any 1761 01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,120 Speaker 1: because you get some buddies. You meet some people through 1762 01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,160 Speaker 1: a conservation organization or something, and they can very quickly 1763 01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,000 Speaker 1: start telling you about the local unique things. They might 1764 01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,120 Speaker 1: be able to point to to some areas to check out, 1765 01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,640 Speaker 1: some public land to check out, or some people you 1766 01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,080 Speaker 1: should knock on their doors, or you know, hey, we've 1767 01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:50,960 Speaker 1: got a lot of ridges around you. These bucks always 1768 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,960 Speaker 1: cruise this thing, or they always check out this kind 1769 01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,000 Speaker 1: of spot. You know, that kind of local intel is 1770 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,479 Speaker 1: isn't valuable to help you get jump started? Um, and 1771 01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,439 Speaker 1: I'll tell you you're moving to Iowa. A guy you 1772 01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:05,719 Speaker 1: should seek out. He is, uh he looks a little 1773 01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,400 Speaker 1: bit like a character from the Rudolph films, you know, 1774 01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,920 Speaker 1: um Claymation, Yukon Cornelius. He was funny. Dan. I haven't 1775 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,320 Speaker 1: mentioned this to you yet, but my son is really 1776 01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:18,120 Speaker 1: really big into the Rudolph movie, Like he's obsessed with Rudolph. 1777 01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,679 Speaker 1: So he got him these little figurines from the movie, 1778 01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,760 Speaker 1: and so he has a little Dan Johnson figuring that 1779 01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,120 Speaker 1: he has carrying around with him every once in a while, 1780 01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:30,599 Speaker 1: which is kind of weird. Um, But yeah, seek out 1781 01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,200 Speaker 1: Dan Johnson for some local intel. You'll put him in 1782 01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:39,439 Speaker 1: the good spots, right Dan Oh, Yeah, the best. Brooke asks, 1783 01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,200 Speaker 1: And this is an interesting way. I've kind of wondered 1784 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,000 Speaker 1: about this. At first. I was like, yeah, then I 1785 01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,880 Speaker 1: kind of wonder do you think that e bikes are 1786 01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,920 Speaker 1: worth the investment? Do you see any value with the 1787 01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,680 Speaker 1: whole e bike thing? Dan Oh, I would love to 1788 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,360 Speaker 1: have at e bike. Yeah. I think it would be awesome. 1789 01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:01,599 Speaker 1: Um well, just actually, I mean, especially through driving through 1790 01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:05,000 Speaker 1: a farm. I would love to unload my truck um 1791 01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,800 Speaker 1: or unloaded at you know, at the entrance of the 1792 01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,840 Speaker 1: farm and not have to drive my truck, you know, 1793 01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,280 Speaker 1: all the way back through the farm. This ebike is quiet, 1794 01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,680 Speaker 1: It's I don't think it would be very threatening. I 1795 01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,320 Speaker 1: think the deer would look at it more of a 1796 01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:24,639 Speaker 1: hey what is that than opposed to running away from it. Uh. 1797 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,400 Speaker 1: And then at the same time, uh, like I said, 1798 01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,680 Speaker 1: it's it would just be awesome to to have one 1799 01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,479 Speaker 1: of those things. They're fun, not cheap. And from a 1800 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:40,040 Speaker 1: public land standpoint, there are a lot of public places 1801 01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,000 Speaker 1: throughout the United States that don't allow any motorized vehicles, 1802 01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:51,240 Speaker 1: and an ebike is considered a motorized vehicle in most states. Yeah, man, there, Um, 1803 01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:53,880 Speaker 1: I feel like you look kind of dorky rolling around 1804 01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,920 Speaker 1: on an e bike. Um for some reason, or maybe 1805 01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,800 Speaker 1: I do you care what people think about you? Right? 1806 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,040 Speaker 1: Or maybe it's like maybe I just feel like guilty 1807 01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:04,599 Speaker 1: about the idea of not peddling. Maybe that's my issue 1808 01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,439 Speaker 1: with it. I just feel like you can, you can 1809 01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,639 Speaker 1: set it up to one of these settings to where 1810 01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,559 Speaker 1: you in order for the motor to go, you actually 1811 01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,880 Speaker 1: have to peddle. So that might give me past my 1812 01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:18,040 Speaker 1: psychological underpinning of my issue. But I do agree with 1813 01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,560 Speaker 1: what you're saying, and the reason why they are intriguing 1814 01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,360 Speaker 1: is that I do think that it is a safer 1815 01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:26,559 Speaker 1: way to access spots, Like they're not deer, aren't gonna 1816 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,120 Speaker 1: be bothered. You're not leaving a bunch of bootprints. It's 1817 01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,320 Speaker 1: a different sound than bootsteps, you know that is a 1818 01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,439 Speaker 1: very human sound of rolling bike is not getting the 1819 01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,040 Speaker 1: same kind of stuff. I think you probably get away 1820 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:39,280 Speaker 1: with a lot more whether you're accessing a spot or 1821 01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,000 Speaker 1: checking trail cameras or something. So I'm I'm definitely intrigued 1822 01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:49,120 Speaker 1: for that reason. Um, but you're right they're expensive. Um, 1823 01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,000 Speaker 1: so I don't know. I've yet to try one, but 1824 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:54,000 Speaker 1: there are they are interesting. So my buddy Adam Party, 1825 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,519 Speaker 1: you know him, he works for Quiet Cat. How come 1826 01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:01,720 Speaker 1: you don't have one? Then? Man? Right, Cadabra like, hey, dude, 1827 01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,559 Speaker 1: just give me, give me a give me an e bike, 1828 01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,720 Speaker 1: give me three thou dollars. Make sure he listens. Make 1829 01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,519 Speaker 1: sure you listen to this podcast, and he'll hear how 1830 01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:12,080 Speaker 1: intrigued we are yet yet reticent to really try one 1831 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,680 Speaker 1: and see what happens. Going to send them just you know, 1832 01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,519 Speaker 1: that's how that's how influential we are marked. They're just 1833 01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:22,200 Speaker 1: gonna send us whatever we ask for. Come on, man, 1834 01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,439 Speaker 1: you got a Russian hacker to give you back your 1835 01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:29,840 Speaker 1: social media credentials, can't you can't? You a weasel? Quiet? Right? 1836 01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:34,559 Speaker 1: But you look at it. It's expensive, right, but same time, 1837 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:38,600 Speaker 1: it'll it should last you a long time. Yeah, I 1838 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:42,400 Speaker 1: mean you hope. So, yeah, it's intriguing. I could afford one. 1839 01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:50,120 Speaker 1: I'd probably have one. Okay, Um, Taylor asks to improve 1840 01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:51,439 Speaker 1: and this is more of a question for me than 1841 01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,200 Speaker 1: you didn't. But maybe you've heard from someone who gave 1842 01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:57,280 Speaker 1: you some ideas on this Taylor asked to improve deer hunting, 1843 01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,960 Speaker 1: is it more important to plant food plots or improved 1844 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,320 Speaker 1: betting areas? So it's a habitat management question. Our food 1845 01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,400 Speaker 1: plots are betting air is more important? And my answer 1846 01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:09,439 Speaker 1: is pretty simple. It depends, and it just simply depends 1847 01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:13,000 Speaker 1: on what is available in your area. So there's no 1848 01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:14,920 Speaker 1: one sezz fits all that's always gonna be the most 1849 01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:16,800 Speaker 1: important thing. You have to look at what's available on 1850 01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:20,360 Speaker 1: your property and what's available in the surrounding properties and 1851 01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,400 Speaker 1: then figure out where the area of most need is. 1852 01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,920 Speaker 1: So what's missing. So if you're in an area that's 1853 01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:26,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of big timber and there's tons of trees 1854 01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:30,320 Speaker 1: and tons of cover, but there's no good food, then hey, 1855 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,200 Speaker 1: if you put some good food in all of a sudden, 1856 01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:35,519 Speaker 1: you're offering that rare commodity that deer want and they'll 1857 01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,479 Speaker 1: that will be very valuable. On the flip side, if 1858 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,559 Speaker 1: you're in an area with tons of egg around doing 1859 01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:42,720 Speaker 1: tons of food, or everyone around he's got tons of 1860 01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,519 Speaker 1: food plots, but wide open, there's no good cover. If 1861 01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:46,840 Speaker 1: you all of a sudden put in a ton of 1862 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,800 Speaker 1: good cover, you have the rare commodity, the thing that 1863 01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,080 Speaker 1: dear need. They're gonna come to be with you. So 1864 01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,160 Speaker 1: just look at the surrounding area. Provide what's not there, 1865 01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:59,400 Speaker 1: provides something unique, feel that most those common denot of 1866 01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,439 Speaker 1: the lowest com a nominator and um that will be 1867 01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:07,800 Speaker 1: the first place to start at least. Uh. How can 1868 01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,880 Speaker 1: you tell the difference between buck beds and doughbeds or 1869 01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,679 Speaker 1: buckbetting areas and dough betting areas? Dan, you got any 1870 01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:19,599 Speaker 1: thoughts on that? Man? You know? So, I think I'll 1871 01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,679 Speaker 1: be honest, I think there's a misconception with this whole 1872 01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:29,120 Speaker 1: bedding or hunting a specific bed ideology. Right, So we 1873 01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:32,320 Speaker 1: know Dan Infalt, and we know that this guy is 1874 01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:36,280 Speaker 1: a master of locating a specific bed through scouting and 1875 01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,760 Speaker 1: accessing it and hunting it and killing deer coming back 1876 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,400 Speaker 1: to it. Right, would you agree that that is that 1877 01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:46,040 Speaker 1: that's that principle. Definitely, Yes, him and his disciples have 1878 01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:50,320 Speaker 1: gotten very good at that. Yes. For me, I understand 1879 01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:55,200 Speaker 1: the principles, but where I hunt, I don't feel like 1880 01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:58,799 Speaker 1: the deer bed in the same bed every single time, 1881 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,360 Speaker 1: So for me it's hard every single day. Right, they're 1882 01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:07,000 Speaker 1: not going back to a specific bed every single day. 1883 01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,719 Speaker 1: I think it's a lot more wind dependent where where 1884 01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:14,120 Speaker 1: I hunt based off of the wind UH and how 1885 01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:17,920 Speaker 1: the wind us how the UH terrain affects the wind. 1886 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,519 Speaker 1: So they have a little bit different bedding area every 1887 01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:26,920 Speaker 1: single day or every single wind direction. But knowing whether 1888 01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,320 Speaker 1: something is a bed, a buck bed, or a dough 1889 01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:34,040 Speaker 1: bed can be very difficult, uh if especially if let's 1890 01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:37,960 Speaker 1: say a dough is using the same bed multiple times, 1891 01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:41,799 Speaker 1: it could just get worked to a point where it's bigger. 1892 01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,559 Speaker 1: Or a buck bed, you know, you may be able 1893 01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,400 Speaker 1: to tell for the tracks that are in it, or 1894 01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,080 Speaker 1: maybe it's around a whole bunch of rubs. It could be. 1895 01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,679 Speaker 1: But I don't feel that there is a one hundred 1896 01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:59,680 Speaker 1: percent you know, there's no I don't know, there's not 1897 01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,759 Speaker 1: There's not any fact that you can look at a 1898 01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,439 Speaker 1: bed and go I guarantee you that as a buck bed, 1899 01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,200 Speaker 1: I know it. Unless you saw a buck stand up 1900 01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:10,280 Speaker 1: out of it, that's a buck bed, you know what 1901 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,360 Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, I think that's true. UM. What I 1902 01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,120 Speaker 1: would add to it, though, is that I do think 1903 01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:19,000 Speaker 1: there are things that can give you confidence to say 1904 01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,120 Speaker 1: this is likely a buck beed versus a dope bed 1905 01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,840 Speaker 1: I think there are things that can clue you into it. 1906 01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:27,360 Speaker 1: Probably is um, And I'll add one more thing before 1907 01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,760 Speaker 1: I've mentioned that. I'd say, as I understand, you know 1908 01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:33,000 Speaker 1: what folks like Dan are doing what I'm in Annie 1909 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,200 Speaker 1: May or different folks like that, and that I use 1910 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:40,080 Speaker 1: sometimes is that you're not necessarily They're not necessarily saying 1911 01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,200 Speaker 1: that a buck's betting in the same place every single time, 1912 01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,880 Speaker 1: but they're saying that he's going to have a handful 1913 01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:48,040 Speaker 1: of places that are the most commonly used. So let's 1914 01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:51,640 Speaker 1: call him buck the Big eight. He might have like 1915 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:55,320 Speaker 1: five locations based on wind direction and time of year 1916 01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:58,840 Speaker 1: that these general regions are where he's typically rotating throughout, 1917 01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,280 Speaker 1: and if you happen to know those are, then you 1918 01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,880 Speaker 1: can cycle through them based off of intel and have 1919 01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:07,320 Speaker 1: a chance at least I think that's usually what they're doing. UM. 1920 01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:09,519 Speaker 1: But as far as figuring out what those things are, 1921 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,960 Speaker 1: what I look for to tell the difference is oftentimes 1922 01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:16,280 Speaker 1: almost always does are bedded and family groups. So you've 1923 01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,960 Speaker 1: got a dough and her fawns, and then usually that 1924 01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,519 Speaker 1: fond that that does two year ago fawn. So there's 1925 01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,439 Speaker 1: gonna be groups, family groups of you know, three to 1926 01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,880 Speaker 1: six to nine doughs, big groups of deer usually, so 1927 01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:32,839 Speaker 1: you're never almost never unless they never, but most often 1928 01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,160 Speaker 1: you won't see a big group of deer beds that 1929 01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,960 Speaker 1: is bucks. Usually that's gonna mean Okay, these are a 1930 01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,680 Speaker 1: bunch of doughs, these are dozen fons. So if I 1931 01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,080 Speaker 1: find a bed and then there's another one right next 1932 01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:45,760 Speaker 1: to it, and two more over here and three more 1933 01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,200 Speaker 1: over there, then I can say pretty confidently, okay, this 1934 01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:51,599 Speaker 1: is a doughe bedding group. On the flip side, if 1935 01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,719 Speaker 1: I see an individual look one single bed by itself. 1936 01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,160 Speaker 1: It's if there's one single big bed and you look 1937 01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:58,840 Speaker 1: around it and there's no others, and you walk a 1938 01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,280 Speaker 1: ten yards circle around, and a twenty yards circle around it, 1939 01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,719 Speaker 1: and a third yards circle around, there's still no other beds, 1940 01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,959 Speaker 1: just this one big bed. That's a pretty strong indication 1941 01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:10,120 Speaker 1: that's a buck bed um. If you find a bunch 1942 01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:12,920 Speaker 1: of rubs right around it, that's another indicator. It's probably 1943 01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:16,200 Speaker 1: a buck bed um. If that bed is in like 1944 01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:20,120 Speaker 1: the best possible location, that's another thing. Oftentimes the bucks 1945 01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:24,880 Speaker 1: will get DIBs on those just picture perfect bedding spots, 1946 01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,519 Speaker 1: So like a little knob off of a ridge with 1947 01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,080 Speaker 1: some cover on it, you know, two thirds of the 1948 01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,800 Speaker 1: way up the ridge. That kind of spot that's like, 1949 01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:35,000 Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is money. This buck can sit here 1950 01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:36,840 Speaker 1: and see everything ahead of him and can smell what's 1951 01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,679 Speaker 1: behind him. That's the kind of spot that Okay, yes, 1952 01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,720 Speaker 1: this makes sense, we're about to be here. Or if 1953 01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,120 Speaker 1: there's a little point that extends into a swamp or 1954 01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,400 Speaker 1: an island in the swamp and there's some high ground 1955 01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,000 Speaker 1: there and there's one bed on it, that can be like, okay, yes, 1956 01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,479 Speaker 1: that's probably a buck. Those are the things that kind 1957 01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,160 Speaker 1: of clue me in on probably a buck versus probably 1958 01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:58,320 Speaker 1: dough Again, no sure things, but those are clues at 1959 01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:03,200 Speaker 1: least to give you some something to work with. You know. Um, 1960 01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:06,280 Speaker 1: you gotta go dam though right here pretty soon. Okay, 1961 01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,760 Speaker 1: so let's wrap it up then. Any we've got a 1962 01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,280 Speaker 1: bunch of more questions that will we'll just keep on 1963 01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,360 Speaker 1: doing these. I feel like once a month almost we 1964 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,400 Speaker 1: need to do these Q and A podcasts because people 1965 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,000 Speaker 1: have got a lot of questions, and I think it's 1966 01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:22,920 Speaker 1: the best way to cover a lot of different things. 1967 01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,160 Speaker 1: It's fun, at least for me. I enjoy going through these. 1968 01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,920 Speaker 1: I'll really quickly answer one question here. I got a 1969 01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,799 Speaker 1: question someone said, what can people do to take action 1970 01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,000 Speaker 1: to protect the Boundary Waters. If you heard me last 1971 01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,360 Speaker 1: year talking about my Boundary Waters trip, um, you know 1972 01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,000 Speaker 1: about what's going on there. I will just tell you 1973 01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:44,160 Speaker 1: that recently a bill was proposed that will protect the 1974 01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:47,160 Speaker 1: area around the Boundary Waters from the minds that they're 1975 01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:50,120 Speaker 1: trying to put in there. It's called the Boundary Waters 1976 01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:53,920 Speaker 1: Wilderness Protection and Pollution Prevention Act. That's a lot, so 1977 01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:59,000 Speaker 1: don't remember that. Just remember to google boundary Waters and 1978 01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:03,040 Speaker 1: you will see the new bill. It's called HRVE nine eight. 1979 01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:07,400 Speaker 1: Maybe that's easy. Remember h R five five eight. Email 1980 01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,519 Speaker 1: your representatives tell them to support that that will protect 1981 01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,599 Speaker 1: the boundary Waters. So that's all I got, Dan. Any 1982 01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:18,800 Speaker 1: final thoughts from you, No, sir. It's a pleasure as 1983 01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,960 Speaker 1: always talking to you, Mark Kenyan. It was fun. I 1984 01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed it, my friend. Let's do it again soon and 1985 01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:27,519 Speaker 1: that is gonna do it. So thank you all for listening. 1986 01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:31,360 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed this one. 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