1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk concert season doesn't belong to just one generation, 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: and this month, on Taking a Walk, we're proving it. Buzznight, 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: your host, and welcome back to our live and legendary feature, 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: our April celebration of what happens when artists leave the 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: studio behind and take their music to the masses. Because 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: the road doesn't care how you got there, It only 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: cares what you bring when the lights go up, and 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: today's guests bring everything. If you've been anywhere near a festival, 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: line up, a stadium stage, or honestly just a packed 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: arena full of people, people who know every single word, 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: you already know Ajar brothers Jack and Ryan met from Ajar. 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: They've built something genuinely rare in modern music, a sound 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: that's completely their own, a fan base that is ferociously loyal, 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: and a live show that becomes a full blown shared experience. 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: They write it, produce it, perform it, and then they 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: go out and own it night after night in front 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: of thousands of people who feel like these songs were 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: written just for them, because in a lot of ways 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: they were. This is a band that understands the assignment 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: on the record and on the stage. Today brothers Jack 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: and Ryan met of AJAR on an encore performance. They 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: talk about the journey from bedroom producers to headline acts 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: selling out venues across the globe. Let's go. 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: Taking a Walk. 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Well, we have a special happening on the Taking a 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Jack and Ryan from AJAR. 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 3: Welcome, thanks so much for having us. 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: I complete the the met trifecta. Dr your bro on 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: a few months back and had a good time with him. 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: I think you're familiar with him, aren't you. 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: We know him? 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we run into him once in a while. 33 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about the new EP and 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl and the rest of the tour. 35 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: Amazing. 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm want to ask you what no one's thinking. Hello. 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: But first before we get started, we like to ask 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: this question, since we call the podcast Taking a Walk. 39 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: If you could use your vivid imagination and you could 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: take a walk with somebody living or dead, who would 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: you take a walk with? Where would you take that 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: walk with him? 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: Oh? 44 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: The first thing that popped into my mind was Steve Jobs, 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 4: probably because I know he'd like to take a lot 46 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: of walks. 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 48 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: I think visionaries like that come once in a generation, 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 4: and he just his mind was so ahead of the curve. 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 4: He so had his finger on the pulse in terms 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 4: of what people enjoy, what people want to consume, the packaging, 52 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 4: how to present it to them, how to combine art 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 4: and commerce in the most elegant way. 54 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: Ever, I think a walk with him would be nice. 55 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: Do you think he'd be happy at the state of 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: the world, particularly when it comes to screen addiction and 57 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: things of that nature. 58 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: Probably not, Probably not. 59 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: I think he was probably more about sort of innovation 60 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 4: and imagination than what Apple has become more recently. 61 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: That's my guess. 62 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: E're up, Oh me, sorry, Yeah. 63 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: You're good. 64 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: Our favorite my favorite band is a band called Fountains 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: of Wayne, and sadly the one of the members, Adam Slessinger, 66 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: was lost during COVID. He passed away and I never 67 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: got the chance to meet him, and absolutely my favorite 68 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: band of all time. 69 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: Really shaped the. 70 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: Way I, you know, enjoy music and write and shaped 71 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: a lot of our sound and I would have loved 72 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: to meet him. 73 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: I would definitely take a walk just to. 74 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: Let him know, you know, how appreciative I am and 75 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: get inside his his musical mind. 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought him up because he was 77 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: one of many tragedies during the pandemic, and you can't 78 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: let you know any of them slip by, know, unless 79 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: the ones that touch us in particular, you know. 80 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, very much. 81 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's crazy that feeling of like because Brian 82 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: Wilson was another one of those like for us, he 83 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 4: passed away a month ago. I literally felt like a 84 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 4: family member passed away. It's so crazy, just the connection 85 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: you can have with someone that doesn't know about your existence. 86 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 4: That just I'm so connected to your feeling all the 87 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 4: same things that I'm feeling. 88 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: It's kind of like you're my brother, your brother. 89 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: By the way, do you have a guess who His 90 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: answer was on the taking a walk question? 91 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: Huh? 92 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: Paul Simon bing got it as Wow, what. 93 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: Do you win? What's surprize? 94 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 3: Walk with Simon? Paul Simon? 95 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: Not too bad? Yeah, I mean, and where you guys 96 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: are from and what you've experienced so much in New 97 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: York City. There's got to be thousands of places that 98 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: you love to walk in New York City. 99 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean what's so great is that you 100 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 2: know we've lived here. 101 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: I've lived here thirty years. 102 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: Or so, and there's still just like thousands of places 103 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: we haven't been, and I'll be walking and be like, 104 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: this is a block I haven't been on before and 105 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: it's so small, but it's just so like rich with 106 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, locations and places I haven't been, so we 107 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: really walk everywhere, honestly. 108 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: So I got before we get to the new EP, 109 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: I've got a strange question to ask. What's the weirdest 110 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: sound or everyday object that you've ever sampled for an 111 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: ajar song? And how did it end up on the 112 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: final track? Who wants to take that one first? 113 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: I'll take that, yeah, yeah, and now you have one 114 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: in mine, yeah, I think. Well, just to give a 115 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 4: little context, we do like to sample a lot of 116 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 4: kind of weird sounds. I think when you produce for 117 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: long enough, you get a little bit bored of the 118 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 4: same kind of snares and the and the uh kind 119 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 4: of online sound banks that are available to everybody, and 120 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 4: you start to realize, oh, here's how I make sounds 121 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: or drum sonic palettes that are actually unique to me 122 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 4: that nobody else has has used. You start like looking 123 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: for real things in your life and recontextualizing them. So 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 4: definitely a weird one that we we did was we 125 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 4: sampled the uh I guess. We we enlisted the guy 126 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: the voice of the New York City subway system, the 127 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 4: guy who goes stand clear of the closing doors please, uh. 128 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 4: We asked him to record the here we go on 129 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 4: bang and that really that was almost like a fun 130 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 4: collaboration more than a sample, because we we weren't sure 131 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: exactly what we wanted that sound to be. We got 132 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 4: our dad to record something that was like here we go, 133 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 4: and we got our neighbor to do like here we go. 134 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: Like we weren't quite sure what the affect was, and 135 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 4: as soon as he did it, it was like, oh, 136 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 4: there's like there's the alpha guy telling me here we go, 137 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: Like there's a there's a leader in the room right now. 138 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 4: So it really influenced the direction of the song. But 139 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 4: we've yeah, we've sampled like school bell like recess bells. 140 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: That's really fun to kind of when you're bringing in 141 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 4: a chorus like kind of up top sonically above everything else, 142 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: just kind of catches your attention. I think there's something 143 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: subconscious going on When people listen, they're like, oh, time 144 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 4: for recess, I should I should listen little things like 145 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 4: that whistles, elephants sound, Yeah, we've sampled the elephants, horses. 146 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: Galloping, Yeah, a lot of animal stuff. I've done a lot. 147 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: Who influenced the the sampling of unique sounds in your 148 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: in your career? 149 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 4: I think it's our love of movies. I think it 150 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: probably comes from that. It's very much when we write, 151 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: it's okay, who's our carrac or here? Often it is 152 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: like somewhere between me and Jack when we're writing, but 153 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: like what's our way in? 154 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: That's sort of how to make it. 155 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: I guess a more three dimensional song like Okay, this 156 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: is a love song, but it's from this like the 157 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: most insecure part of us or the most desperate part 158 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 4: of us, Like who's this character? And then in terms 159 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: of the sound effects, it sort of puts you there, 160 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: so like we're not just sampling an elephant randomly. Like 161 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: if we want to create the feeling of chaos, unhinged 162 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: beat start of the album, that's a place where I 163 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: want to tuck in an elephant because I'm just suddenly 164 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 4: in a movie where the zoo doors break open, then 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: the animals are running rampant around the city, the horse 166 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 4: galloping is like, here's a song about the inspiration of Okay, 167 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 4: I can make my life better. 168 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: So that's where I'm hearing the boom the boom. The 169 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 3: boom like the galloping of a. 170 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: Horse very much ties into like where I want to 171 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: be in the movie? 172 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: All right, Ryan first and then Jack favorite movie of 173 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: all time and why it just lives in infamy. 174 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 4: Mmm, I'm gonna go with You Could Take, So I'm 175 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: gonna go with Social Network. 176 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: Okay. 177 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 178 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 4: I think it's just it's the most rewatchable movie. The 179 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: dialogue just feels like candy. The character is so unlike 180 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 4: like Mark Zuckerberg is like so unlikable and likable at 181 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 4: the same time. The soundtrack's amazing. I just think it's 182 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: a perfect movie. 183 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go I mean, I've watched this movie a 184 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: million times. I've watched it recently again and it kind 185 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: of became my favorite. Maybe Hannah and Her Sisters the 186 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: Woody Allen movie. I think growing up in New York, 187 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: it just encapsulates New York perfectly. 188 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: The characters are just so well thought out. 189 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: I think my favorite movies are the ones that when 190 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: they finish, I can just watch it again from the 191 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: beginning and that's probably the main one for me. 192 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: And I just watched it the other night and we 193 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: had just gone through a whole Hey, what's our top 194 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: twenty or whatever, and then we were like, oh, wait, 195 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: we haven't watched Hannah and her Sisters in a while. 196 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: And I love it for all the reasons you just described. 197 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: It's love letter to New York and just the richness 198 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: of all the characters, so many classic scenes for sure. 199 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, So let's. 200 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: Talk about what no one's thinking. First of all, congratulations 201 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: on it. But it wasn't supposed to happen this year, 202 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: is that correct? Yeah? 203 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: That is correct. 204 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 2: This year was really supposed to be us only working 205 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: on this Broadway show that we're working on. And I 206 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: think there was this moment of like weirdness about not 207 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: writing something about like like. 208 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: Are we still able to do it? 209 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: Almost almost like an anxiety, And I think I came 210 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: Tory and we were like, let's just try something. And 211 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: it started turning into the group of songs that at 212 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: first weren't so great that they were like the starts 213 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: of something. And then I think that even frustrated us further. 214 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, no, have we lost right? 215 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? 216 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: And then there was a moment where we're like, we 217 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: should really kind of get into this a little bit. 218 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: And there was a moment where we realized, you know, 219 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: the last few years of our life and a little 220 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: trying for us, there's been like loss in our family 221 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: and career stuff and questions about relationships and all this stuff. 222 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: And sorry, our dog is kind of going wild in 223 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: front of us right now. 224 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: We encouraged dogs from paying a visit on taking a walk, 225 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: so do not worry. In fact, you didn't hear a 226 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: dog sound being sampled earlier. It was elm or barking 227 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: at another Amazon delivery or something. 228 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't hear it, but. 229 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your dog's name? First of all? 230 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: Blue? 231 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,479 Speaker 1: Blue? All right, welcome Blue. 232 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: We have blue and shape here. 233 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: Oh right, welcome. I see what they're up to. 234 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: I know they're friendly. 235 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, no, just. 236 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: To finish what I was saying, Yeah, I think we 237 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: realized that there was a lot going on in our 238 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: life and we weren't really tapping into that. We were 239 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: maybe suppressing a little bit of it. And as soon 240 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: as we realized that, it all kind of came out 241 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: and we put all of that into the music. 242 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: And we came up with five songs. 243 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: Was there, ever, still as you had embarked on the process, 244 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: still doubt that it wouldn't come together? 245 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think so. 246 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 4: I think this new music, more than anything we've made before, 247 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 4: is like directly from our lives in a way. I'm 248 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 4: trying to think what's different about it. I think we're 249 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: just like really now just saying exactly what we feel 250 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: how we feel it almost like a diary entry for 251 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 4: whatever reason where we're at in our lives. That's feeling 252 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 4: like the most truthful thing I think in the past. 253 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 4: Obviously all of our songs come from true but we're 254 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 4: also balancing how do we make it catchy, how do 255 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 4: we have fun in the way that we say this 256 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: and maybe like use metaphors or whatever, and that's like 257 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 4: a totally valid type of songwriting. Just something about our 258 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: headspace now is like, if we're not saying exactly what 259 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 4: we feel the way we feel it, it's disingenuous. It's 260 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 4: not like it's it doesn't feel purposeful. And so I 261 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: think this EP was an extra challenge because we were like, Okay, 262 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: we're gonna write We have a song called a dog 263 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: song on this ep and it's from the point of 264 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: view of our dog, and that very much could go 265 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 4: in a terrible direction, in a gimmicky kind of like 266 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 4: here's things that dogs do. I laid down for a 267 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 4: nap or whatever. It could like turn into like a funny, 268 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,239 Speaker 4: gimmicky song. But we were like, no, no, let's literally 269 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 4: demonstrate it exactly what our dog is watching us do 270 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 4: and see from his naive, innocent perspective all the stuff 271 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 4: that's happening in our life. And so I think stuff 272 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 4: like that is feeling really difficult to write, but very 273 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: rewarding to listen back. 274 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: To take us behind the song Betty as well. 275 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another perfect example where me and Jack were 276 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 4: sitting on that track for what two years. Jack came 277 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: up with that melody of the chorus of the and 278 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 4: we were slowly chipping away at it over like the 279 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 4: course of two years. We were we were singing Benny 280 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 4: instead of Betty. We were going, Benny, I really hope 281 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 4: you like my style. And it was just nonsense, but 282 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: it was fun to say, and at a certain point 283 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 4: we were like, okay, let's stop just writing a song 284 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 4: that's just catching and just fun to say. What are 285 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: we feeling me and Jack like divulge tour to each 286 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 4: other like some stuff we were talking about in therapy 287 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: about like just like a fear of commitment in general, 288 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 4: like in in our lives, like how uncertain we are 289 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 4: about like what is the of our life look like, 290 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 4: whether it be a relationship or career or whatever. And 291 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 4: you realized, oh wait, we're both talking about this in 292 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: therapy every week, like of course we need to write 293 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 4: a song about this. And at that point we kind 294 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 4: of made the turn to Betty and I really hope 295 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 4: you're on. Here's like a realistic look at I think 296 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 4: how a lot of people our age feel, which is 297 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 4: like when you know you know, is not so obvious, 298 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 4: like there's a lot of other factors and it's not 299 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 4: a very sexy romantic way to think, but I think 300 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: it's just a more realistic way to think about committing 301 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 4: and love. 302 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: Talk about some of your other favorites, which I would 303 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: imagine would be every song on the EP, So let's 304 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: walk through it. 305 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, what am I missing? I'm trying to think whatever? 306 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 4: The Big Goodbye, Oh, the big a Bye, Yeah, the 307 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: Bigby We like that took what five years to make? 308 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, just we had this sample in the beginning of 309 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: the song. Oh, this is another good one that we sampled. 310 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: There's a song called the Auctioneer. I think that's what 311 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: the original song is called. And it's this barbershop quartet 312 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: and in the beginning it's five hundred and twenty five. 313 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: Really give me that. 314 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: It's, you know, an auctioneer doing his thing. And we 315 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: always thought that that was just like so percussive and 316 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: so interesting and I had never been done before, and 317 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: we always wanted to sample it, and Ryan just made 318 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: a beat for it and it turned into this like 319 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: great driving groove and we just had it forever. And 320 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: it's tough to start a song from that place because 321 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: it's so weird. It's like, where do you even go 322 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: from there? What kind of song is this going to be? 323 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: So it took us a really long time to do 324 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: and eventually we wrote a very like partyish song and 325 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: then tried another partyish song. Yeah, like a weird song, 326 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: and then eventually it landed on this sort of like 327 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: emotional story about someone saying goodbye to their hometown and 328 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: having mixed feelings about leaving. 329 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: I love that absolutely. I love the honesty and you know, 330 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: the tension of it as well, you know, hopefully put together. 331 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: Have you ever had a moment with this project or 332 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: any other project where there was complete disagreement on a 333 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: musical direction and then, if so, how did you resolve it? 334 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: Hm? 335 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: I feel like at this point we kind of know 336 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: what to trust each other for the answers. Yes, But 337 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 4: I think that if Jack comes to me and says, 338 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 4: I promise this melody is catchier than this melody, I'm 339 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 4: just going to trust him, like he just has the 340 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 4: ear for that. If I come to him and tell 341 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: him I promise this line is going to make people 342 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 4: cry and this line isn't and we're fighting over it, 343 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 4: He's going to trust me on that. So I think 344 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 4: probably the emotion is more of my forte and the catchiness, 345 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 4: but also the coolness of the song is more of 346 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: his forte. I'm not like, I don't, It's not how 347 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: my brain works of like is this cool? Are people 348 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 4: going to think this is cool? I just know like 349 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 4: I like it. It makes me feel something. And Jack's 350 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 4: a little more in tuned with like our kids are 351 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 4: age going to think this is or too broadway, ash 352 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: shed and weird. 353 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: That makes sense, So I'm curious for a band that has, 354 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, put its you know, stake down with sheer 355 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: independence in everything that you've done and the way that 356 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: you've done it. Do you ever worry that you're going 357 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: to lose that independent streak? 358 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: Well, I think. 359 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 4: We obviously like do a lot of almost everything ourselves 360 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 4: at this point, and it's been out of necessity, honestly, 361 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: Like we grew up, we didn't really know anybody in 362 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 4: the industry. We didn't really have money to go, you know, 363 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 4: pay someone to make a music video for us, so 364 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 4: we just needed to learn all of these skills. And 365 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: looking back, I'm really grateful that we did, like to 366 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: be able to to be self sustainable, I guess is 367 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 4: the word, and make all of the art yourself and 368 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 4: kind of have the vision to complete the whole thing 369 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 4: as a package, the artwork and the music videos and 370 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 4: even the social media, which is like a form of art, 371 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 4: I guess, the music and the tour. Like, I'm really 372 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 4: grateful that we, out of necessity, needed to develop all 373 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: those skills because I think fans sense it. I think 374 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: me as a consumer, I can kind of tell when 375 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 4: an artist got an outside treatment for a music video 376 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 4: and it's like them in the convertible car or whatever. 377 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 4: Like I can kind of feel that someone else wrote 378 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: this treatment for a music video for you, and this 379 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 4: didn't come from your POV. And so that's all I 380 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 4: want to see from artists is I won't feel connected 381 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 4: to you. I want to feel like we're having an 382 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 4: honest conversation. And so I think that's helped us to 383 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: have like a more honest conversation with the fans. 384 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Jack, isn't it gratifying watching other artists take 385 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: the independent road? 386 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 387 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: I think it's leading to kind of a good honest 388 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: place in music. And I'm glad that we were, you know, 389 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: have been doing it such a long time and we 390 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 2: could say we were one of the early ones on it. 391 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: So how do you guys handle criticism differently compared to 392 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of years back when you know, the 393 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: world was weird obviously at that time, but how do 394 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: you think you're handling of things like that has sort 395 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: of evolved and grown. 396 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 3: I think it used to. 397 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: We definitely get our fair share of criticism on the 398 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: internet and the bad reviews and insults and everything like that. 399 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: And I think we've always been a band that's like 400 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 2: either you love us or you hate us, really, and 401 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: there's never there's not hasn't been anything in between. It 402 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: bothered us when we were first starting out, honestly, as 403 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: it bothers everyone, and we couldn't help but check all 404 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: the comments and see what people have to say, and 405 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 2: you almost get like a weird addiction to it, you know, 406 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: to checking it. And over the years it's just felt 407 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 2: more like noise to us. I think we've come to 408 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: the realization that the things that people don't like about 409 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: us are the things that we love about us, the 410 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: things that we're really excited to do. In music, for instance, 411 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: you know the Bang sample, here we go. I could 412 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: imagine there's a lot of people that are going they sampled 413 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: the subway guy, and me and Ryan go, yeah, we sampled. 414 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: The subway guy. 415 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: So at that point, it's like, what's really it's it's 416 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 2: kind of a waste of time to listen when when 417 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: you have the security and confidence. 418 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: In what you're doing. 419 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: But I also think the way you have built and 420 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: the way you treat your fan base gives you, you know, 421 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: extra leverage and fact of what you can do and 422 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: how you're going to approach things because you you guys 423 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: really respect your fans and and and and treat them 424 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: like gold. So I think that goes a long way 425 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: and process, don't you. 426 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: I think so. 427 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. I feel like when we tour, when we come 428 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 4: out on stage, there's just like an understanding like we're 429 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 4: all friends here, Like we design our show in a way, 430 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 4: like within the first four minutes, Jack's like making fun 431 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 4: of me on stage, like he's like roasting me and 432 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: brother band in a brothery way, and like, yeah, that's 433 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 4: basically just our personalities anyway. But it's also a little 434 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 4: bit by design of just like hey, we're we're in 435 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 4: a safe space here, Like I'm not taking anything seriously, 436 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: He's not taking it. We might roast you guys at 437 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 4: some point during the show, Like it's kind of this 438 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: subconscious thing that we like to establish of like we're 439 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 4: all friends here. We're dancing very weird on stage, feel 440 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: free for you guys to also dance very weird. None 441 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 4: of this is said out loud, but it's all just 442 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: kind of understood. And so I think that probably really helps. 443 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 4: If you feel like you're in a safe space surrounded 444 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 4: by people that you're already friends with, you could just 445 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 4: kind of like take big swings. 446 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: So there's another milestone that's coming up. You've just you know, 447 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: finished a milestone in terms of the Madison Square Garden appearance, 448 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: which of course I know you don't take that lightly 449 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: at all. And then you've got this other one that 450 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: just sort of crept up, this little venue called the 451 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: Hollywood Bowl on October the fourth. Tell me how this 452 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: feels and the immenseness of it to you. 453 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's only a handful of venues I 454 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: think in the world that are like truly iconic, that 455 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: that are like household names, you know, if you will, 456 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: like Madison Square Garden, Red Rocks, and I'd say Hollywood 457 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: Bowl is absolutely up there. And I think it's one 458 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: of the last ones that we haven't we actually haven't 459 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: seen any shows there before, funny enough, so we haven't 460 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: have not been, but obviously we've heard that it's a 461 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: magical place. So we're just nothing but excited to kind 462 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: of at this point. You know, it's really cool. We've 463 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: been doing this twenty years now of being a band 464 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: and to still have milestones so we can check off, 465 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: especially something so huge is really exciting. 466 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: That is so cool now is Adam going to be 467 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: part of that? 468 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: We can't disclose that he might he might pop in. 469 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's disclosing something, right, Yeah, that's exciting. That's 470 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: so great. Well, in closing, I want to ask you 471 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: which Ajar lyric best describes your current mindset? I go. 472 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: We have a song called Karma that really holds like 473 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 2: a special place in my heart. It's it's always a 474 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: something that I related to. It's the chorus is I've 475 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: been so good. I've been helpful and friendly. 476 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 3: I've been so good. 477 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: Why am I feeling empty? I've been so good this year. 478 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: I've been so good, but it's still getting harder. I've 479 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: been so good? Where the hell is the karma? I've 480 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: been so good this year? And I always feel like 481 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: that life is so up and down and you kind 482 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: of can't get out of your mind in terms of like, 483 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: if I am such a good person, why are things 484 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: still going poorly for me? 485 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: Where is that karma? And it's a sort. 486 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: Of a part of maybe growing up trying to get 487 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: away from that, but it's difficult, So I always have 488 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: that on my mind. 489 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 4: We have a line in or song turning Out Part 490 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 4: three that's don't overthink it. One day at a time, kid, 491 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 4: add up the days? No, no, one day. What's the 492 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 4: very end of it? 493 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 3: You got someone who will and then love isn't big kid, 494 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 3: it's little quiet. Let's do today. 495 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 4: Let's do today. I think you'll turn out to like it. 496 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 4: I forgot my own lyric. It's very much like where 497 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 4: I'm at. It's like one day at a time, be here, 498 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 4: present right now. 499 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm so grateful that you guys took the 500 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: time to be on Taking a Walk. Congrats on what 501 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: No One's Thinking and the rest of the tour, including 502 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: the Holly with Bowl. My God, I'm so excited for 503 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: you guys, Jack and Ryan, thanks for being on Taking 504 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: a Walk. 505 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: Man, awesome, thanks for having us. This is great. 506 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm Buzznight and thanks for listening to the Taking a 507 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Now, please check out our companion podcasts produced 508 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: by Buzznight Media Productions with your host Lynn Hoffman music 509 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: Save Me showcasing the healing power of music and comedy 510 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: Save Me shining a light on how laughter is the 511 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: best medicine. All shows are available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify 512 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: and are part of the iHeart podcast Network.