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Speaker 1: so I went I started going to these Japanese incarceration

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Speaker 1: sites and I and I started writing music, and I

430
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Speaker 1: wrote a song and then before before I knew it,

431
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: I just have this like album and I have UM,

432
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Speaker 1: this feature length documentary of just me going around kind

433
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Speaker 1: of really trying to figure out what it means to

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Speaker 1: be like an American now, like an immigrant American or

435
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Speaker 1: or a child of immigrants, or what it's like to

436
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Speaker 1: look different than you know, the all American standard that

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00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: we we kind of grew up with. And so when

438
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: I was UM, when I was in high school, we

439
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: went on I used to live in a Senegal and

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00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: we went on a trip to Cape Verde and got

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00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: to see like the old like slave quarters and like

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00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: the places where they used to like sell and trade

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00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: slaves at It's kind of hard to put in towards

444
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: like how it makes you feel, but you definitely feel

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00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: something eerie when you're like walking around places like that.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything similar when you're walking around like old

447
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: internment camp spaces or anything like that. Um No, it's

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Speaker 1: I think at first, like I went on a research trip,

449
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, and then it was really difficult because we

450
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: went some some of them are really pleasant and so

451
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: you're sitting there with all this like this like really

452
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Speaker 1: difficult you know, history of injustice, and you're just having

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Speaker 1: a really pleasant time and it's and it was basically

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes it was deeply powerful because you felt like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you had a story or someone to connect with.

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Speaker 1: But a lot times in just places, so it really

457
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: depends on, um, your state of mind, and it also

458
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 1: takes different times to process like events, you know, personal

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00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: or so. Um. And Cape Bertie, Yeah, I've heard Cape

460
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: Bertie is very beautiful. Um uh, you know it's crazy

461
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: about Cape Bertie. And this has nothing to do with

462
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: this podcast, but apparently tuna fisher I had his friend

463
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Speaker 1: and he told me that Japanese tuna fishermen would come

464
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Speaker 1: out all the way out there from Japan and that's

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Speaker 1: the tuna. Yeah, and they said they like left some

466
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Speaker 1: impregnated some women in the island and there's like some

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Speaker 1: half Japanese like a bunch of like have Japanese people there,

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Speaker 1: it'll it'll it'll have to going to going there, trust

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Speaker 1: me for sure. Anyway, that's a wild story about Bertie.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit more about internment. Like

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Speaker 1: what was Was there a legal precedent set beforehand that

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Speaker 1: like was used when Franklin Roosevelt issued his executive order

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Speaker 1: to um um execute the internment? Like, what were there?

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Speaker 1: What were the grounds? Was there any grounds for that

475
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: previously established in the country. No, not really, because it's

476
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: basically I mean, well, after Pearl Harbor, it became martial law,

477
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Speaker 1: and so the military really took control of Hawaii, and

478
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: Hawaii basically had so many Japanese Americans that they couldn't

479
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Speaker 1: really you know, lock everybody up. And so what happened was, um,

480
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: you know, there's generally a lot of anti Asian sentiment

481
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: to begin with. So what happened was a lot of

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Speaker 1: lobby groups started lobbying people in Congress and created this

483
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Speaker 1: and the media as well, you know, created this hysteria

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Speaker 1: that ultimately led to people just wanting the removal of

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Speaker 1: this entire population. And a lot of agricultural groups were

486
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Speaker 1: behind it too, like lobbying for the wealth of the

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Speaker 1: Japanese because they were such great farmers. Um. Like one

488
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Speaker 1: statistic that kind of surprised me was that about over

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Speaker 1: of California's produce was was basically done by Japanese farmers.

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Speaker 1: M and so this was like a land grab for

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Speaker 1: white farmers who are kind of jealous, you know, and

492
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: this and this happens all the time, you know, throughout history,

493
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Speaker 1: like Nazi Germany of this to the Jews because they're

494
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: just jealous, you know, and they just use this kind

495
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: of hysteria um to basically put the enemy, which is

496
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: the you know, the army, imperial Army of Japan and

497
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: these basically Japanese immigrants who really had nothing to do

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Speaker 1: but want a better life for themselves in America. And

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Speaker 1: so um, yeah, there's no legal precedent. They locked him up,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people are like these you know,

501
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Speaker 1: these people are American citizens. How could how could they

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Speaker 1: do this? And there was there was a Supreme Court thing,

503
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Speaker 1: but ultimately it was just a time of war and

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court fact you know, yeah, I was reading

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Speaker 1: about how the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the removal,

506
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Speaker 1: which is nuts that that's still a precedent that holds

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Speaker 1: to this day. Yeah, well recently. You know what's really

508
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Speaker 1: crazy is that recently do you remember that muzzle the

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Speaker 1: reversal of the muzzle away, so the upheld upholding the

510
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Speaker 1: Muslim ban. Yeah, they also threw in the a note

511
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Speaker 1: that korematsu was unconstitutional. So recently it was overturned in

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Speaker 1: that thing. Oh, it was overturned recently. Well that's kind

513
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Speaker 1: of good news, Thank god, it's good news. But it

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Speaker 1: was kind of like a slap in the face because

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Speaker 1: it accompanied the upheld, the end of the upholding of

516
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Speaker 1: the travel. Yeah. Hey, do you know if um any

517
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Speaker 1: any even remotely comparable sort of actions were taken against

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Speaker 1: like Italian Americans or German Americans. Yeah, so at the time,

519
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, they rounded up a lot of Italian nationals

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Speaker 1: and German nationals, you know, the ones that are close

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00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: to the embassy and close to the government. But then

522
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: also there's just like so many white people that they

523
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: just decided that this was gonna be a white country

524
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: and Asians Japanese were definitely easier to pick up, and

525
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: so it was a really racist move and FDR ultimately,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's like this nobody people don't really know

527
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Speaker 1: much about FDR, but um, one thing for sure is

528
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: that like he's this hero because he helped America out

529
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Speaker 1: of um, you know, the great depression and social programs

530
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Speaker 1: that we still depend on today. But he was like

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Speaker 1: this villain because for the Japanese, because he just couldn't

532
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Speaker 1: help He couldn't help them, he couldn't protect them. These

533
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: are just civilians, you know, just immigrants, and so he

534
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 1: couldn't help them from racism that ultimately led to their

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00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: incarcerations on mass Yeah. I found it interesting that the

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Speaker 1: United States Census Bureau actually assisted in the interment efforts

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Speaker 1: by providing uh specific in individual census data on Japanese Americans,

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Speaker 1: and they denied this role for decades subsequently, contrary to

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00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: um scholarly evidence, and only in two thousand and seven

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00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: did that understanding of how they partact part partook in

541
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Speaker 1: internment become more widely known. Um Yeah, I mean, I

542
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Speaker 1: think they did whatever they could to round them up,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I guess they you know, they claimed

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Speaker 1: it to be wartime. UM, so I think they just

545
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: used that that like the fury of a wartime America

546
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: to just kind of impose on people's civil rights, which

547
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: we know has happened time and time again, you know,

548
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: like it's a war. It kind of makes me nervous

549
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: for the hurt moment we're in because if things get

550
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: ratcheted up, I mean, they're already putting all that stuff

551
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: into the frameworks now by trying to declare Antifa terrorist organization.

552
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: Just using inflammatory language like that is is how you

553
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: lead to people green lighting ship It's all a matter

554
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: of precedent. It's like what's been you know, what's been

555
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: set set before. It's like if it happened once, all

556
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: it really takes is somebody with the political will to

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00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: do it, you know. I mean like I was kind

558
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: of I was starting to get afraid, you know, when

559
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: Twitter started removing Trump's things, and then all of a sudden,

560
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, he could just use the N s A

561
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Speaker 1: or whatever to to remove whatever he wants from the Internet.

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Speaker 1: You know. So it's like at some point he could

563
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Speaker 1: cross the line and become a dictator, a totalitarian, authocratic

564
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: and an autocratic dictator. You know, but hopefully there's enough

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Speaker 1: people in the government that would not allow him to

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Speaker 1: do that. You know. Maybe what I mean, I think

567
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: there's enough people in the government that he that he

568
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to do it from a government level.

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Speaker 1: But I mean there's a lot of crazy people out

570
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Speaker 1: in the street. You know. If you were just to

571
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Speaker 1: even be like conservative with it, and only five of

572
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Speaker 1: Trump supporters would be willing to like go to the extreme,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to get their way, that

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Speaker 1: five is like millions of that five percent is like

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Speaker 1: way more than al Qaeda, you know. Yeah, especially given

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00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: in Georgia, you know, we have the citizens arrest law

577
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Speaker 1: that was cited in the case of laud Are very

578
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: these former police officers were going to make a citizens

579
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Speaker 1: arrest of someone they suspected to be a burglar. Like

580
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: they could just start like citizens just random Trump supporters

581
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: could go around start rounding up uh, folks like us

582
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Speaker 1: on the grounds that we are in TIFA for something

583
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Speaker 1: like I mean, that was I'm sorry to yeah, well

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Speaker 1: I was. I was thinking about that because it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, because currently in Seattle, you know, like they

586
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: have Chaz right and it's like this nargist it's like

587
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: anarchistic state. And then you think about anarchy and you're like,

588
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: sure it's great for like liberal progressive people, but like

589
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: think about the other way around, like that's how lynch,

590
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: that's how lynching happens when you know, it's like exactly.

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00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, so it's a really complicated thing

592
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: because it's because it isn't that with because with your

593
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, defund the police and all that kind of thing,

594
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out an alternative way to police, right,

595
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: so you know some of the things that talking about

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00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: like community policing, I mean, is that kind of dangerous.

597
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: It's like it sounds good at first, but then it

598
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: could also turn the other way around. For like like

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Speaker 1: the like the community that a mont Aubrey was jogging in,

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Speaker 1: rights that community, that's true, Trayvon Martin's community. I guess

601
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: we have to be like representative community policing. I guess, well,

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00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it isn't that like like wherever

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00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin was, you know, like that's he was he

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Speaker 1: was he was walking around in their representative community. And

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00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: that guy was was again Zimmerman, he was a representative

606
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Speaker 1: of their community. Right, So it sounds a little sounds

607
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: a little dangerous to me, But no, affilia, that's a

608
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: very valid concern, very valid concern. Something else I wanted

609
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: to ask you about that. I thought was an interesting

610
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: parallel between the way that race is legally inscribed in

611
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: the States and been used to either provide legal protections

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Speaker 1: or validate discrimination. UM during the tournament, Colonel Carl Carl Bendetson, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: either architect behind the program UM went so far as

614
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Speaker 1: to say that anyone with one drop of Japanese blood

615
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Speaker 1: qualified for internment, which you know, the one drop rule

616
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: has been used for Black Americans UM for discrimination previously,

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00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: and it also has parallels with the blood quantum laws

618
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: with Native Americans, the legal requirement that one have at

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Speaker 1: least one fourth in digitus blood to qualify for a

620
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: certain government program and things like that, even though that's

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Speaker 1: imposed upon these tribes by the federal government and not

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Speaker 1: necessarily they something that they they personally validate within their

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Speaker 1: own communities. Yeah, I think, like what kind of surprised me,

624
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Speaker 1: Like when I when I was doing a lot of research,

625
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: is basically human do you think about you think about

626
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: racism and racism is is like pretty um, the idea

627
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: of of combating racism is pretty new, you know, and

628
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: that like back then in the thirties forties, like almost

629
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Speaker 1: everybody's racist, you know, kind of protecting their own communities,

630
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Speaker 1: their own ethnic groups. And even like eugenics was was

631
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: a science back then, you know, a yeah, and so

632
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: blood quantum, these things are like these things are valid,

633
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: real things that people that a lot of Americans really

634
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: thought is just the way it is, you know. And

635
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: so like when we're I think in the sixties seventies

636
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: where we're just like this is fucked up, where we

637
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: just where we start to have, like our baby boomers

638
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: had this like individualistic freedom that we started to really

639
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: realize that we should change, you know, from the inside,

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Speaker 1: you know, and like and and make create a better society.

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Speaker 1: But like it was a struggle in the thirties and

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Speaker 1: fouries to convince somebody that, you know that this America's

643
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: for everybody, because it wasn't. And and a lot of

644
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: people didn't believe that. Yeah. So let's talk a bit

645
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: about reparations. So how relevant it was recommended that the

646
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: government pay reparations to the internees. In President Ronald Reagan

647
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: signed into law the Civil Liberties Act of nineteen which

648
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: apologized for interment on the behalf of the US government

649
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: and authorized payment of twenty thousand dollars equivalent to forty

650
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars in two thousand nineteen to each former

651
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: internee who was still alive when the act was passed.

652
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: The U. S Government eventually dispersed more than one point

653
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: six billion the equivalent of three point three point four

654
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: billions in two thousand nineteen in reparations to eight two thousand,

655
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: two hundred and nineteen Japanese Americans who had been interned

656
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: for who had been interned and their heirs. Yeah, it's um, yeah,

657
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: they got there is. Yeah. They call it redress, you know,

658
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: the Redress movement. Um, it's really interesting because, um, when

659
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: I was making my movie, you know, I couldn't make

660
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: that the end of my movie because it wasn't really

661
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: happy ending for America necessarily. It was a happy ending

662
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: for the Japanese American story, you know. And then they

663
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: got they also got a grant that have they have

664
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: to include it in some textbooks, and there's a there's

665
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: an annual grant that goes along with that. But I think, um,

666
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: the reason why I couldn't make it the ending is

667
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: that it's like that's one community that that did get redress,

668
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: and and there's an entire other communities that didn't, like

669
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: the African American comunity or the Native American community. And

670
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: it's like, why is that? And I can only see

671
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: it as a preferential treatment, you know, for one ethnic

672
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: group over the other, you know, right, I don't see

673
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: any other and why they would get money and a

674
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: whole another whole other groups who have offered Yeah, I mean,

675
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: I guess I've heard arguments for like, how would reparations

676
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: work for like African Americans, And we're gonna obviously do

677
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: a whole episode of reparations to come soon. But um,

678
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: the I mean this runs counter to that somewhat in

679
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: that there's some historical precedent for how reparations work. But

680
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: in this specific instance, they were able to identify all

681
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: of the former internees they were still alive when the

682
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: Act was passed, and give them a certain amount of money.

683
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, we have African descendants of slaves that

684
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: are you know, separated out from recent African immigrants. We

685
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: have people who you know, like my my my brother's daughter, Um,

686
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: she looks after she looks Caucasian even though she has

687
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: a uh, you know, black father, And like, does she

688
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: get reparations to like what I guess the questions of

689
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: like what is the lines with black people? It's like

690
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: the it's like the offense was for so long, you

691
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and it was just yeah, it

692
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: was such a cluster funk that it's like you don't

693
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: know where anybody's from or who anybody's people are to

694
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: like you know, you have two more. So do it

695
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: from like a a community level, you know what I'm saying,

696
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: as opposed to like we're going to identify each person

697
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: who was Yeah, because I mean this is speaking from

698
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: an Asian person who's basically like a white person is

699
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: like kind of like, um, because you know, you put

700
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: like a thousand dollars in your pocket or two thousand

701
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: or ten thousand or whatever, you know, whatever dollar amount,

702
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: is that really going to empower the community to become

703
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: equal members of society? Like no, no, right, just cash

704
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: won't do that. I don't. I don't think it'll help.

705
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: It'll be a good gesture, but you know, um, so

706
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I mean, concerning the Japanese incarceration,

707
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: the redress thing, it was they set a precedent and

708
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: that like you had to be alive when the injustice happened,

709
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: which is kind of you know, dangerous in that it's

710
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: set a precedent for basically excluding every you know, Native

711
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Americans and African Americans. So, um, yeah, it's uh, I

712
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: think it's I don't know, I don't know how to

713
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: think about it except it's just something that happened because

714
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: the Japanese Americans, you know, they they they became affluent

715
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: and they had political connections. They have some congressmen to

716
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: you know time, so um, Normandetta really pushed that. So

717
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: they had connections, you know, they assimilated. Yeah. Um, but

718
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: African American redress, I don't I don't even are uh

719
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: what is it? What do you call it again? Reparations? Reparations? Yeah, yeah,

720
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: African reparations dress. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I don't know how Yeah,

721
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like I like the scholarship idea.

722
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: I think did you mention that like college scholarships? Um,

723
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something but or is Yeah. Yeah,

724
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking looking forward to breaking down the various things

725
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: ways that preparations could play out for African Americans and

726
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: sometime soon since we are way reparations, but you mentioned that, like, um,

727
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: you didn't want to end the film with redress to

728
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: talk to us something about the aftermath of internment. How

729
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: did this impact the Japanese American community in the years

730
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: and decades that followed. Yeah, so a lot of it.

731
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: You know. Um, you know, there's a group now that

732
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: I work with called Two for Solidarity, and they work

733
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: to end attention, uh immigrant attention, because the idea is

734
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: that the precept is that you know, basically they're locking

735
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: up people of color, like brown people, uh from Latin America,

736
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it's, um, it's racist, the origins are racist,

737
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: and it's also just um it's ramped up heavily, and

738
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: so um, we're showing solidarity with that group. And then

739
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: I basically, uh, there's a there's a huge amount of

740
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: anti not I don't know about huge amount. There's always

741
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: been like anti black sentiment within the Asian American community,

742
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: and we're really trying to trying to like focus on

743
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: that and as a major issue especially now. You know,

744
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: where do you think that comes from. I think it's

745
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: the model minority that we bought into in the fifties.

746
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: I think they're like, look, you can be a part

747
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: of our club. And then and then uh, and then

748
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: once we're in that club. You know, there's like a

749
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: famous saying where it's like you could be you know,

750
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: do you want to be at the do you want

751
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: to be at the at the dinner table, or do

752
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: you want to be on the menu? You know, So

753
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of like once you're at the table, you know,

754
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: once you're at the table, what are you gonna do

755
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: for your everybody who's not at the table? Are you

756
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: just gonna you know, leave them out? And I think

757
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: a lot of Asian people of have you know, taking

758
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: that privilege and just kind of kept it to themselves.

759
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's where we're trying to show

760
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: solidarity with, you know, the Black Lives Matter movement because

761
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: it's it's yet again another ethnic group being suppressed and oppressed,

762
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: you know. So, um, that's more. We had conversations with

763
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: um folks in within the Asian American community about Black

764
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: Lives Matter recently. Oh yeah, tons, it's basically, um, I

765
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of solidarity. Well the people I

766
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: talked to, but um, I've I've had a lot of

767
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: the older Asian people are just kind of like the

768
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: older white people that you may not talk to on

769
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: a regular basis, you know what I mean, They're just

770
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: they're they're feeling like, what's the problem. You know, like

771
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: once she's pulled your pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

772
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: It's probably the same thing, same thing in that community,

773
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: you know. Um so um yeah, I don't know what,

774
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like an ongoing discussion, the same

775
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: the same discussion we have to have that white people

776
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: are having with their grandparents right now. Have you had

777
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: any difficult conversations? Yeah, I've been talking to um, I've

778
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: been doing uh like like I've been calling people, actually

779
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: people who didn't I did a post on my social

780
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: media where it's like, oh yeah, I saw that, yeah yeah,

781
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: And I called a few people, you know who didn't

782
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: understand black lives matter, or like just one kid didn't

783
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: know systemic oppression was real. And then I called like

784
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: a Chicago cop, you know, a police officer, and that

785
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: really kind of hardened my opinion on like what the

786
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: what the role of cops are in that, Like, you know,

787
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: they're there too to stop crime, you know, that's her job,

788
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: but not necessarily to figure out why there's crime in

789
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: the first place, or to to help communities, like it's

790
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: it's just not in their job description, you know. So yeah,

791
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: so what were some of the things that the Chicago

792
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: cop was talking to you about when you called him up. Yeah,

793
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: I mean she was a woman and she yeah, she

794
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: was like it was interesting. She was like, I used

795
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: to be a musician. I went to I got an

796
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: arts I went to arts college and then you know,

797
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: but then I just like applied for a job because

798
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have one. And it was fun at first

799
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: because it was like, you know, busting like gangs and

800
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and then it got and then she's like,

801
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: I hate my job. I don't really, I don't really

802
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: like my job now because everybody hates us. You know,

803
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of dangerous. I can't, you know. I'm fearful

804
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: in my own neighborhood. Um. And it's like the whole

805
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: the whole idea is that like if only they wouldn't

806
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: commit crimes and then we wouldn't have to bust them.

807
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: And that's like her, that's her attitude, and I feel

808
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: like that's a lot of cops attitudes and that if

809
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: we if we're going to really reform police, they have

810
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: to reform they need cops to like either understand the

811
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: idea geology of systemic you know, racism, and that will

812
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: affect you know, they're hiring in their in their practice

813
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: like out on the streets um and started hiring people

814
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: who understand that because they don't. I don't think they do.

815
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: It's just not in their education or training or anything.

816
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: You know. I had a I had like an argument

817
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: once with friends, like brother in law who was like

818
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: a like like literally like a Puerto Rican cop, and

819
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: he like looked me dead in the eye and was like, well,

820
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean black people in Puerto Ricans commit all the crimes,

821
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: so we have to art like saying ship like that.

822
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: So it's definitely something that's like ingrained in them when

823
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: they're getting trained or something. Oh yeah, and it's and that, Yeah,

824
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: it's not their job to like figure out why they're

825
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: so destitute that they have to join a gang and

826
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: like the gangs like the only way out of their community.

827
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, so we were filming in

828
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: like you know, West Chicago, like in Austin, talking to

829
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: like gang interventional counselor UM, and she was just like,

830
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: there's like nothing for these kids out there, you know,

831
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: there's just like no resources. They're shutting down schools, they're

832
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: just hiring more cops. Is like this police state and

833
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: there's literally the kids just don't have anything to look

834
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: up to, like nothing, you know. The only way out

835
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: is like like gangs or crime or something like that,

836
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: like quick cash. But no, it just underscores the importance

837
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: of actually making investments in community to stop crime from

838
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: happening in the first place. Because cops just respond to

839
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: crime after it happens. That's like their primary role. They

840
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: very really stop a break in or stop a sexual assault.

841
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: But if we actually invest in like education and housing

842
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, in programs for these kids that

843
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: are thinking about joining a gang, giving them something to

844
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: be part of in their community that makes them feel

845
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: validated and supported, we can actually cut this out at

846
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: the route are we're gonna say, mac um I was

847
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: gonna go back to speaking of a police state. So

848
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: you obviously know, you know, we've got this issue with

849
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: mass incarceration, you know, going on right now. So do

850
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: you see any sort of like link or relationship between

851
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Japanese and tournament and mass incarceration that we see today

852
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: and that it's like incarceration yeah, I think like other

853
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: rising people and making people the enemy, I think is

854
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: just like something that's easily that that makes you easily

855
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: able to detain someone. You know, So like Mexicans calling

856
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: them rapists and murderers and illegal aliens, you know, two

857
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: negative words you know, right next to each other, is

858
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: basically humanizing. Oh yeah, it's just it's it's a it's

859
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: an optics war, right, so if you if you can

860
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: dehumanize them, then sure you can lock them up. And

861
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: so you know, as we've seen with like the media,

862
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, black people cause crimes. Is that that's like

863
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: in the movies and everything you got, Like I mean

864
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: the eighties did have a lot of crime, sure, but

865
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: it's like it was like all they focused on at

866
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: the nightly news, the same way that I imagine the

867
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: media was used to drum up hysteria around Japanese Americans

868
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: the World War. Absolutely, and it was it's basically like

869
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: it's differentiating between um like immigrants in America, you know,

870
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: like the Japanese immigrants in America who kind of looked

871
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: like the Japanese enemy you know, over there, but they're

872
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: just like they have no connection in that, like they're

873
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: not military officers or like soldiers out in Asia, you know,

874
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: so I think, um, that's that's one argument I've heard

875
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: pe but like, oh, they should they probably you know,

876
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: they did horrible things in the Philippines, you know, to

877
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: our soldiers in the Baton Death March and stuff like that.

878
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: You know, they deserved it. And that's or they could

879
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: have like they could have like uh, you know, they

880
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: might like have enemy fields that when they invade, you know,

881
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: they're going to help them when they invade. But there's

882
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: like no evidence of that, you know. And so it

883
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: was basically a lot of like lobby groups lobbying to

884
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: the two politicians and to the media to kind of

885
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: hype up this this thing. And you know what I

886
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: I also saw is that a lot of in wartime,

887
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot of like fringe writers, like like writers who

888
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: would be on op ed pieces and not like the

889
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: best journalist. That's the ones who come to the front,

890
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: you know, and start spewing their kind of like racist ideologies.

891
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: And that's what's happening now exactly. Yeah, Okay, so so, um,

892
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what role do you think like Pearl Harbor

893
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: did and like shocking the system, do you think that

894
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: also kind of made it easier for them to to

895
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: pull the trigger on it. Yeah, I mean that was

896
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: like the I mean Pearl Harbord was just like just

897
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: like the fuse on the powder keg of the big

898
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: bomb of what like this Japanese American struggle was. And

899
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: so kind of in my movie, what I'm showing is

900
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: that um America is America's don't like to be called imperialist,

901
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: but they were definitely imperialistic in that, you know, they

902
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: grabbed Hawaii, and they grabbed Guam, and they grabbed the

903
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: Philippines and it's just they they had this westward expansion

904
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: and so Japan was um uh, Japan was like the

905
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: only you know, they're you know, Britain got China and Singapore,

906
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: and you know, the Dutch got in Malaysia and basically

907
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: European powers in America were doing this vicious like land

908
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: grab of all of Asia and Japan, Japan was really

909
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: the only country that could stand up to this kind

910
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: of imperialism and so they had to like quickly, you know,

911
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: um build forces. And Hawaii was like half Japanese almost

912
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: like with there's a lot of Japanese people living there

913
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: at the time, and so it was like this kind

914
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: of in between place. It was like barely America, you know,

915
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: because American Marines like basically took it in the eighteen

916
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: what nineties Bannitt Treaty. So it's um, I can't even

917
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: remember the original question, but I think, yeah, Pearl Harbor

918
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: was like this the trigger. It was just like this

919
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 1: it's ongoing power struggle between American Japan at that time.

920
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 1: I mean, like I remember like some Japanese American people

921
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: being like, um, when when nine eleven happened, people were like,

922
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: this is just like Pearl Harbor. And then Japanese Americans

923
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: were like, I hope it's not like Pearl Harbor because

924
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: after that, that's when we started locking up, you know,

925
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: people like indiscriminately. So I think all these years later,

926
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't even stop to consider how

927
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Japanese Americans must have felt during that time. That's crazy. Yeah,

928
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: And I think we've we've mature, we're always maturing, you know, progressing,

929
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: but there's always it's so easy to like forget these lessons,

930
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, like forget that, forget what we've done because

931
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable talk or never learn what like what we've done,

932
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: but in the first place to be mistaken into thinking

933
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: though what we did was like way longer ago than

934
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: it actually was. Yeah, or it's very easy if you're

935
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: the oppressor to be like, oh, come on, it's just

936
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: like such a long time ago, you know. But you know,

937
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: it's like, I guess you have to understand what generational

938
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: trauma you know too, and if you don't have it,

939
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: it's really difficult to understand. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we

940
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: had a lot of conversations about generational trauma in our

941
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: last episode or a couple episodes. Go maybe, um, but um,

942
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk something about you seeing m art

943
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: and songwriting too, sort of sort of like relive or

944
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: re or like reinvigorate our understandings that history. Um. Yeah.

945
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: So I think like as a musician, you know, all

946
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: of us were kind of activated because we're generally liberal

947
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: and progressive people, you know, artists, so, um, like after

948
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: Trump became came into power. So I think I definitely

949
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: started writing more about history because I felt it so important.

950
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: But it's difficult, you know, because history is like dusty,

951
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: and the language is a little different. They speak, you know,

952
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: differently than and it's like the photographs are all black

953
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: and white and so and making this movie and this album,

954
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: I had to figure out what was um like how

955
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: to really connect the modern audience to the past. And

956
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: so instead of like being angry and like negative with

957
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: about injustice, I kind of um humanized the people in creating. Like,

958
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: so a lot of my I'm still writing like love

959
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: songs and UM songs about like you know, desire and

960
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, loss and stuff like that, but just to

961
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: humanize the people back then, just to show people now

962
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: that they were people just like you and they had

963
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: these these same things that you the same feelings that

964
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: you had that you have now to to empathize with them.

965
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: That was real dope talking acc you. We're gonna have

966
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: him back later so we can do a little rapping

967
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: thing later, right, Yeah, but first we want to talk

968
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: a little bit about Asian contributions to hip hop. Yeah,

969
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: we felt like, you know, I wanna I want to

970
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: like close it on a positive note. Yeah, And also

971
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like prominent rappers that have um

972
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: Asian heritage that doesn't get talked about because of the

973
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: binarization of race. So like you're either black or you're white,

974
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: like I'm Native American, but I was never like that

975
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: was never really impressed upon me at a young age

976
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: because like I'm black, yeah, something like my grandmother's Native Americans,

977
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: right exactly, And so like there's like it's lost when

978
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: you're talking these like struggles, you know, it's like, right, yeah,

979
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: framed in white and black. And so we don't talk

980
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: about the fact that Danny Brown was raised by a

981
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: Filipino grandmother and karup attending at Filipino American church, or

982
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: that Nike, even Naja's father is half Indian, or that

983
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: Tiger's mother is Afro Vietnammes and grew up in Vietnam.

984
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: And surprisingly to me, I didn't know Foxy Brown is

985
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: of Chinese descent. The ways that race is constructed in

986
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: America that are racist, these heritages. But then there's a

987
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: lot of contributions of Asian American rappers themselves that uh

988
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: don't quite get the show that they deserve. So who

989
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: do we got first? So first we got g Yamazawa

990
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: with the track Violence. Yamazawa is a Durham born son

991
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: of Japanese immigrants, a national poetry Slam champion, and a

992
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: diplomat in the State department word. Yah, I know, yeah,

993
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. He opens the news video

994
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: with a quote from Norwegian sociologist Dr. Johan Galtung. Direct

995
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: violence is intended to insult the basic needs of others,

996
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: including nature. Structural violence implements such insults into social world

997
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: structures as implements I drink a lot of wine. I

998
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: drink a bottle of wine. Sorry A. Structural violence implements

999
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: such insults into social and world structures as exploitation and repression.

1000
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: Cultural violence, such as religion and language legitimizes direct and

1001
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: cultural violence. And that's how he starts the video. That's

1002
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: how he started, like always like on a black on

1003
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: white or something like that, like the black screen in

1004
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: the white text. Let's let's listen to something that real quick.

1005
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: The ceremonies never because the blood, guns and money isn't. Yeah.

1006
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: He talks about where he learned to talk about violence

1007
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: to describe his feelings in the context of rhyme from movies, TV,

1008
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: video games, and talks about the inherent violence in our

1009
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 1: culture as well as art as a weapon. Like many rappers,

1010
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: uh talking about weaponry sold off shotgun as a metaphor

1011
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: to describe his rhyme skills, while also referring to like

1012
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: the broader violence that exists in our culture as well. Well.

1013
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up a rapper that I've known

1014
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: about for a long time, the this cat Dumbfounded. He's

1015
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: a known battle rapper, dope free styler. He used to

1016
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: write with Project Blowed back in the day. He's really

1017
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: dope cat. But this is his track safe Let's check

1018
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: this up. Yeah um. In an interview with The l

1019
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: A Times, he said that the song came from when

1020
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: he was watching the Oscars a few years ago and

1021
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: they were having that Oscar so White controversy, and he

1022
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: was like he was watching it, but he was he

1023
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: still wasn't seeing any Asian people there, and I guess

1024
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: like Chris Rock was doing the hosting and he was

1025
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: making a bunch of like Asian jokes and they were

1026
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: pretty stereo. You know, from the interview, Dumbfounder wasn't too

1027
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: like bothered by the Asian jokes, but just that they

1028
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: were like the same old stereo typical stuff and they

1029
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: were getting like huge roaring laughter. So he was like, man,

1030
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: funk that. So he he made this song where he's

1031
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: referencing how there's there's there needs to be more leading

1032
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: men in the Asia, in in in Hollywood, and that

1033
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: here's the only yellow man there. It was the goddamn

1034
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: statue and ship. Yeah, let's take a look at Year

1035
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: of the Oxes, thoughts and prayers. You're sorry. I gotta

1036
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: give a shout out to your The ox Mahomie is lyrics.

1037
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: I know that, dude. Yeah. Yeah. So the Korean American

1038
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: rappers from Fairbacks and Virginia Beach and in this song.

1039
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: It's actually interesting because they addressed the Charlottesville Unite the

1040
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: Right rally and the murder of Heather Higher and the

1041
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: opening lines, but they also speak to the desensitization that

1042
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: comes with political engagement and outrage fatigue when they talk

1043
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: about it's hard to have an appetite when you notice

1044
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: this time started off as black and white, but you

1045
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: noticed the gray. As you get older, your arms get

1046
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: fold and your hearts get cold. To get minds so

1047
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: coustophobic like just and I feel I haven't feel that

1048
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: a lot lately with the uprising of just like Funk.

1049
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm fucking tired and like trying to fight that and

1050
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: try not to like make that, make let that make

1051
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: you into more of a conservative, because I'm really happy

1052
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: they touched upon that in this song. It like wears

1053
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: on you after a while. Yeah, yeah, And we're broadly

1054
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: to talk to touch upon gun violence, to talk about

1055
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: the Mandalaid Bay shooting in Las Vegas and I believe

1056
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, as well as anti immigrant racism

1057
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: and the Trump administration. But then I thought, you know,

1058
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: I reflected a lot on the closing lines, So tell

1059
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: me what's the move here. Nobody's been through it, no

1060
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: one can tell us what to do here, and what

1061
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Speaker 1: it's been on my mind a lot is that it's

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00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: like a common feeling with how unprecedented things seem with

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00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: the rise of fascism, the current pandemic and economic collapse,

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00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: the uprising. But the terms is that we have seen

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00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: things like this before, and it's so important to learn

1066
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: from the past, from the Great Depression and how it

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00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: gave rise to ideas like the Green New Deal, from

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00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: the Spanish flu of nine eighteen, from the freedom fights

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00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: that have come before us, and like remember bring that

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00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: are times are precedented, and like learning from the folks

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00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: that dealt with it before and embracing their tactics to

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00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: answer that question that you're of. The ox leaves off

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00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the song the next track. I

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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: like to pride myself in how much hip hop I

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00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: listened to, But to be honest with you, I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know that this girl wrapped until I stumbled upon

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00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: this song for this project. Um, this is Aquafina with

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00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: the song Pockies. Let's listen to this, white folks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you see what I mean. It's like, it's not changing

1080
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: the world or anything like that. Obviously, it's one track.

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00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to judge it by her whole discography,

1082
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: but I get the sense that she's kind of like

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00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: a comedy rapper a little bit. That's some funny bars,

1084
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: which like are integral to any raps really if you

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00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: don't chuckle at the metaphors and like what are you

1086
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: doing with that? But there is a difference because there

1087
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: are some there are there is some rap that's literally

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00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: geared to be like stand up or like comedy show

1089
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: that form. You know, it kind of reminds me of

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00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: it has the same vibe as like Little Dickey exactly exactly.

1091
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: That's exactly I'm thinking, Hey, do your thing. It's just

1092
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: not really my my personal ship it was ill though,

1093
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like the music video was dope and like

1094
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: it bangs, yeah for sure. I mean I did hear

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00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: that there's a little bit of controversy with her for

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00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: black scent and cultural appropriation and stuff like that. But A,

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: that's a subject for another episode, and B I don't

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00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: really give a fun what's the next one? Kid Fresco, oh,

1099
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: kid Fraslino, what do you think about that? So it's

1100
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: a Japanese rapper here rapping in a mixture of Japanese

1101
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: and English, which to me comes across that's really impressionistic.

1102
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: But maybe there's something I'm missing as a non Japanese speaker.

1103
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: But like I mean, but just regarding the flow and

1104
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: regarding the beat, it's really like the times you can

1105
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: sure switch ups. And I really it's got this little

1106
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: shout out to No Name when he talks about you know,

1107
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: no one is safe, which is pretty ill. So, like,

1108
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, as a fan of like people like asap rock, like,

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00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the impressionist nature of the song as well

1110
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: as like the way he toy us with time signature

1111
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: and whatnot. So let's give it a listen really quick.

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Speaker 1: You are the reason why I think no faith killer

1113
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: a mighty folk. Yeah, I mean the thing that stood

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00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: out to me and I was really digging the flow

1115
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: and like, I love the way that he transitioned between

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00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: the Japanese and the English. That's actually brilliant. That's something

1117
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: that I'm starting to hear a lot of international rappers

1118
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: start to do now, which is like really making me

1119
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: wish I still do how to speak French because it

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00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: sounds I used to. Yeah, I used to. I used

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00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: to speak French up until I was like six, and

1122
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: then that's when I started learning English. But I was

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00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: still taking it throughout school and then you know, graduate

1124
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: school and started drinking and smoking and stopped speaking it

1125
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: with people, and the next thing you know, you haven't

1126
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: spoken it. Insane and last, but not least, is a

1127
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: rapper on the rise. It was my life by China Mac.

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Speaker 1: Let's check this up. Always always feeling I was on

1129
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: the long out of fight for that fall. Now, the

1130
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: thing that I initially noticed about him is it's like

1131
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: the opposite of Aquafina, where he's a street rapper, except

1132
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: he's coming at it from a uniquely Asian perspective. I mean,

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01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: if you, if you listen it and I, you know,

1134
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: skim through some more of his stuff, and it's from

1135
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: a content standpoint. It's no different than stuff that you

1136
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: would hear, like a g Unit record or you know

1137
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: what I mean, Cassanova, Rick Ross, you know what I mean.

1138
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: But the thing is he's doing it from his perspective.

1139
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: So he's rapping about his mother being an immigrant. He's

1140
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: got like lines like I didn't have no silver spoons

1141
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: that had chopsticks, you know what I mean. It's just

1142
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: like some some good quality gutter street rap, you know

1143
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but with an Asian twist to it.

1144
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. So I think that's

1145
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: gonna do it for this episode. You're ready to wrap rap.

1146
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: Let's get Keyshie back up here. Okay. So what I

1147
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: do is I start with the violin. I looked at

1148
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: the metronome. I got your favorite tempo VPM. I'm adding

1149
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: more violent. I'm one okay. Now I'm gonna speed it

1150
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: up double time. I'm going to pick up the mic

1151
01:01:41,040 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: a little beat down. Okay. Now I'm taking the violin,

1152
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: pens the base down on its FI and now it's

1153
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: ready for wrap, ready for rap, whether you pack them

1154
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: on three and in factory in Pakistani packing on the

1155
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: eat the Black with Attias, Oh Yestas takes me for me,

1156
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: the blasted things when they said arm me for your

1157
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: family and everybody on the street. It's like they did

1158
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: in California nineteen forty three. If you listen, they take

1159
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: some notes about the history battles of the victory, the

1160
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: intersectional plitter Sweet, whether you folcome to her key over

1161
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: the one in between. We gotta beat the inner. They

1162
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: tap my phone, so the streets for Washingtek. I like

1163
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: the beats poppies, but now you rock them with the

1164
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: Kishi bashi. He saw my autograph. I keep the copies.

1165
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: I like some about the popular podcast. We will speak

1166
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: to Nazis cause we just keep the sloppy while the

1167
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: beat is knocking. Dinch stop me, I would eat a

1168
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: rapper likes beef and rock me dope knife. You heard

1169
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: the chap. Don't stop until I put those cops in

1170
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: the term and camps. I'm a fucking idiot, A I'm

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01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: dope nice. We are waiting on reparation. H We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next week. Waiting on reparations as a production of

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