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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Alli. He is Matt Williamson, and this

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Speaker 2: is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Matt.

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Speaker 2: In today's five for Friday that I wrote about on

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Speaker 2: Steelers dot Com, I kind of laid out how the

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Speaker 2: Steelers need this defense to get.

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Speaker 1: Back to.

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Speaker 2: Being They need to be a great defense, as Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin said in training camp last year. They need to

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Speaker 2: the defense needs to be great and dominant.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's what they need to be in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: For you know, if we're talking about ten to eleven wins,

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Speaker 2: the defense, the defense needs to be a top five defense.

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Speaker 2: However you want to measure that metric, whether it be

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Speaker 2: points allowed, yards allowed.

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Speaker 1: Sacks, all of the above.

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Speaker 2: I think they have the horses to do that, but

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Speaker 2: they didn't do it last year. They finished thirteenth and

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Speaker 2: yards allowed per game, tenth, in points allowed, ninth and

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Speaker 2: rushing yards allowed eighth in yards per carried. They did

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Speaker 2: lead the league in interceptions, but the sack total only

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Speaker 2: forty last year, which left him in a tie for fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: That was their lowest totals since they had thirty eight

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Speaker 2: and twenty sixteen, which, oh, by the way, was the

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Speaker 2: year that was the last year that they didn't lead

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Speaker 2: the league in sacks was twenty sixteen before last season, right, right.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that they need to do here, they

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Speaker 2: were nineteenth in passing yards per game allowed, but they

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Speaker 2: were They gave up seven point five yards per pass

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Speaker 2: attempt and twelve point two yards per reception, both of

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Speaker 2: those were in the bottom five in the league. They

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Speaker 2: also recovered just three fumbles in force nine both of

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Speaker 2: those were in the bottom five in the league.

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Speaker 1: Right, and they did that.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry, man.

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Speaker 2: They did that with Alex Heismith leading the league, tied

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Speaker 2: for the league league with five forced fumbles. So over

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Speaker 2: half of their forced fumbles last year were forced by

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Speaker 2: one guy.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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Speaker 3: But the guy that wasn't there as great at forcing them.

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Speaker 2: The guy that that brings me to TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when you look at those, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if there's if there's could be one more drastic thing,

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Speaker 2: maybe if you take Aaron Donald out of the Rams defense,

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Speaker 2: it would be somewhat. You know, there's four or five

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Speaker 2: guys that are in that conversation. Yeah, both you know

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Speaker 2: Parsons the seven games without Watt last year, they had

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Speaker 2: eight sacks, five takeaways and allowed twenty five point three

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Speaker 2: points per game and three hundred and eighty nine point

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Speaker 2: nine yards per game, and they went one and six

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Speaker 2: In those games.

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Speaker 1: With TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt in the lineup, they allowed sixteen point nine points

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Speaker 2: per game two hundred and eighty nine yards per game,

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Speaker 2: they had thirty two sacks and eighteen takeaways.

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Speaker 3: The big play splash is a huge difference, of course.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's monstrous.

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Speaker 2: And I know people out there, I've heard people say, well,

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Speaker 2: the difference when when it can't be that great when

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Speaker 2: you don't have that guy, that's why you're paying him

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Speaker 2: the kind of money that you pay him.

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Speaker 3: That's why he's worth it, right. I mean he's a

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Speaker 3: rare player. I mean he's not Michael Jordan, but he's

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Speaker 3: like you know, you know in that kind.

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Speaker 2: Of he raises the level of play for everybody around him.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen people say, well, you can't pay Alex

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Speaker 1: Wat creation.

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Speaker 2: If you took Alex high Smith out of the lineup

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Speaker 2: when they didn't have TJ.

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Speaker 1: Want oh Man, they would they would have gone oh

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Speaker 3: So oh, I agree. I agree. He lifts all boats

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Speaker 3: from many, many perspectives. I mean the way the opponent

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Speaker 3: has to practice and game plan on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like all that kind of stuff before they

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Speaker 3: and all those type of things in game adjustments. Boy,

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Speaker 3: he's really whipping our right tackle even worse than I thought,

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Speaker 3: or you know, things like that. I can't even run

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Speaker 3: at him, and in a nutshell, I mean the defensive

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Speaker 3: I don't even know those struggles are the right word,

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Speaker 3: but not elite to play non dominance, which is where

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Speaker 3: we're going with this. For the season as a whole,

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Speaker 3: most of it was pass related, not run, Like they

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Speaker 3: the pass rush wasn't as dominant. And one thing I

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Speaker 3: don't think you mentioned here too, was they did blitz

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Speaker 3: didn't get home a ton an area that they I

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Speaker 3: just saw today with some of these advance metrics they

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Speaker 3: were near the worst in the league is receive even

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Speaker 3: production to running backs, which is a direct correlation of

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Speaker 3: the linebackers. Now we have new linebackers, but I don't

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Speaker 3: know that's the strength of the team, but they are

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Speaker 3: going to be different guys trying to deal with that.

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Speaker 1: Here, here's the other way that TJ. Watt affects that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, your your running back has to be lined up

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Speaker 2: going out in a pass pattern.

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Speaker 1: If he knocks the running.

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Speaker 2: Back off off his his off schedule sure or pulse

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Speaker 2: right or as we've seen him do a lot, jumps

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Speaker 2: or affects the pass play that way.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that.

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Speaker 3: He's likely to run screens to his side.

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Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt, because he's just like he's like

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Speaker 2: a volleyball player out there. Yeah, he just gets his

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Speaker 2: is critical this year obviously for obvious reasons. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: they also need more more than just those guys.

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Speaker 3: Ogan Joe becomes to mind.

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Speaker 2: I think that's like where you're going with this without

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Speaker 2: a doubt.

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Speaker 3: Real quick before we get there, though, if they would

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Speaker 3: have Marcus Golden last year, of course he's not what

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Speaker 3: but they're in better shape to deal with the snaps

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Speaker 3: Watts not out there in my opinion, then last.

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Speaker 1: Year, I completely agree. I completely agree.

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Speaker 2: You know, or if you know, if high Smith has

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, or her big plays ten snaps a game

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Speaker 2: I mean it's I think they I mean, just a

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Speaker 2: have to win, have to. Yeah, you're gonna get when

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Speaker 2: that that you know, de Marvin Leal, while he played

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Speaker 2: fine when they asked him to bump out the outside linebacker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to do that anymore.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, right, that's what I you know,

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Speaker 2: that's what you need him to do, that guy, because

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Speaker 2: he's getting a one on one matchup. Those guys have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And looking back at like Leal for example, sure

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Speaker 3: he did some stand up stuff, some outside the tackle

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Speaker 3: stuff at Texas A and M. But he's a five

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Speaker 3: star recruit and life was easy, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Right, this is a rookie. You're asking to do something

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Speaker 3: that isn't his forte. And not only that, it takes

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Speaker 3: being an interior pass rusher. And I don't think he'll

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Speaker 3: Like this the last since the final whistle of the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty season, twenty two season, I assume he's been thinking,

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Speaker 3: I'm a D tackle. I'm a D tackle, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it makes a little bit of a of

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Speaker 2: a difference without a doubt, without a doubt. So they

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Speaker 2: need those guys win. They need Larry Ogunjobi to win

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Speaker 2: the piviituation. Yeah, has to has to win those situations.

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Speaker 3: Like I feel pretty confident Leo will be a more

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Speaker 3: effective player in year two than year one. I mean

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Speaker 3: that's kind of the curve of the league. I think

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Speaker 3: h Benton will be a nice addition that will bear

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Speaker 3: some fruit as a rookie. Maybe not a ton of snaps,

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Speaker 3: but brings more dynamicism to the nose tackle spot. I

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Speaker 3: think Ogan Joby will be better, but I don't feel

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Speaker 3: as confident that he will be. He's a little more

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Speaker 1: Needs to be, needs to be.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't need to be what he have seven sacks

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Speaker 3: Right, he usually is around five to seven before this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if he can get five to seven, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: be a good defense.

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Speaker 3: There, bigger defense, right. That's kind of I think where

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Speaker 3: we're both going with this is if you can get

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Speaker 3: to the better than last year version. And he wasn't

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Speaker 3: a bad player, and sacks don't mean everything, and he

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Speaker 3: was clearly playing injured. But if you can get that

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Speaker 3: guy playing a few less snaps but better snaps, that's

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Speaker 3: a great step in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I completely agree. So you know, I

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Speaker 2: think you need some of those guys to win their matchups.

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Speaker 2: It can't just be you can't get all of your

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Speaker 2: sacks from from two guys or three guys, And that's

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Speaker 2: that was one of the problems that the Steelers had

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Speaker 2: last year. I mean Caim hay So you got out

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Speaker 2: of those three guys Hayward, Watt and high Smith, you

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Speaker 2: ended up getting twenty nine sacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But then it's a cavernous drop off, right too.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have to get something from somebody else.

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Speaker 2: It can't just be those guys. And whether that whether

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Speaker 2: that's getting five sacks from the two backup linebackers, outside guys,

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Speaker 2: whether that's you know, two years ago Chris Wormley had

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Speaker 2: seven sacks, Yeah, playing in that. You know, that was

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Speaker 2: his career high because he's getting those one on one

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Speaker 2: that does then is it also allows your secondary you know,

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Speaker 2: per reception. If your pass rush is doing what it's

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Speaker 2: supposed to do and you're up around fifty sacks again this.

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Speaker 3: Year, balls will come out quicker.

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Speaker 2: The ball comes out quicker. You're not seeing a lot

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Speaker 2: of those deeper.

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Speaker 1: Balls that you saw.

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Speaker 3: You might blitz less, which means you're tackling after the

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Speaker 1: It's all that trickle it's all that trickle.

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Speaker 2: Down effect from TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, it's it's undeniable. I mean, there's just no

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Speaker 2: Well, let's put it this way, So they used Robert

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Speaker 3: And then obviously in those type of deals too, it's

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Speaker 1: And they better win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So and then went back right right right, so

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Speaker 1: Of every year. Yeah, I mean he's got so.

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Speaker 2: Last year with Miami and Landon Roberts blitzed thirty three times.

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Speaker 1: He had four and a half sacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, No, he blitzed thirty three times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so fewer times he blitzed less than Splaine, who

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Speaker 3: He's better out of than Splaine.

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Speaker 1: He also had seven.

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Speaker 2: He also had seven pressures, So if you look at it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so a third of his blitz attempts a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Pressure, it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Splaine had forty two blitzes. He had one sack,

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Speaker 2: It, three pressures, yeah, so, I mean Roberts was easily

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Speaker 2: So when people say why did they you know, why

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Speaker 1: It's about the pressure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this has been a Steeler thing since I

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Speaker 3: and Roberts will definitely upgrade that.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what he's here to do. And

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Speaker 3: It's going to come out quick, and you know it

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Speaker 3: Like backs on backers with him will be fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think backs on backs on backers with

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I think they're a little different stylistically,

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Speaker 2: But I want to see I want to see Mark

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Speaker 3: Kerekowski also comes down with vigor as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean I think there's a definite.

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Speaker 1: I think they have a plan.

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Speaker 2: That they want to They want one of those guys

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Speaker 2: if it's Tanner muse, Okay, they can, they can.

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Speaker 3: Something we've talked about a lot. But they were a

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Speaker 2: No, And I like the fact that they went and

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sold amout one hundred percent certain

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Speaker 2: I just want guys who are NFL dudes right in

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Speaker 2: They understand what the offense is trying to do against them,

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Speaker 3: It's funny you said that because just wanting NFL dudes

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Speaker 3: We just talked about the they're NFL dudes, and we're

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Speaker 3: not going to ask them to play forty snaps. You know,

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Speaker 2: You know, like you're not projecting with these guys. These

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he can do it. These guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued with her big. I love Benton, but I

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Speaker 3: I know exactly what I bought.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think there's a lot of value in that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they were lacking that a little last

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Speaker 1: Like when you're that's what you know.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, like he's gonna you know what, you know,

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Speaker 3: We mentioned last segment about oh, you know they think

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Speaker 3: you know, like things like that don't even matter to veterans.

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Speaker 2: He's done, you know, he's done all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they've all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And maybe he's not the fleetest of foot, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's it's so very beneficial that,

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Speaker 3: Gonna be a sure yeah, you know, knock on wood.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna cut people that are gonna get picked up

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Speaker 2: by other teams. Yeah, where you're gonna trade them to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pick whatever it is, right, you know, just more

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Speaker 3: and I just want to kind of reiterate one thing

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Speaker 3: rating against in man coverage last year, number one.

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Speaker 2: Number one partner. Yeah, he's just he's a good football player.

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Speaker 3: The good player. To think that Porter's just going to

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Speaker 3: walk in and blow him out and beat him, I

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Speaker 3: don't think is anything of a foregone conclusion. And competition

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Speaker 3: is a wonderful thing to have and more and more,

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Speaker 3: I'm really in on board with the Peterson Porter Wallace dynamic.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're all very separate ages, extremely different backgrounds.

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Speaker 3: Like Patrick Patrick Peterson was a great corner and he

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Speaker 3: was a year and a half old. You know, Porter's

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Speaker 3: Joey's son, but he's coming in as a rookie. Wallace

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Speaker 3: got no respect, you know what I mean. Like, the

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Speaker 3: three of them are very different and all man coverage dudes.

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Speaker 3: That could work out quite well.

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Speaker 2: I think if if Joey Porter Junior turns into Levi Wallace, that.

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Speaker 3: Was a good draft Say I don't take that, but

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Speaker 3: they should.

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Speaker 1: That's a good draft pick.

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Speaker 2: That means because physically in terms of in terms of

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Speaker 2: the height, weight, speed and not the speed part of it.

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Speaker 2: But height weight ratio, they're look the same guy, he's bigger,

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Speaker 2: he's he's heavier, he's heavier.

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Speaker 1: But the length wise, the length, I think that's what

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Speaker 1: that's what. It's obvious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they want, long arms and length, and

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Speaker 2: you have a great trouble throwing the ball over top

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Speaker 2: of those guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's very clear. And if the pass rushes back

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Speaker 3: to top eight in sacks, you don't have to leave

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Speaker 3: the league in sacks every year.

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Speaker 2: No, but I think if you if you have you're

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Speaker 2: in that fifty range, either you know, just below it

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Speaker 2: or just above it, that's fine. You're not gonna get

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Speaker 2: the seven. The seventy sacks that the Eagles had last

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Speaker 2: year were ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: M hmm.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to do that.

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Speaker 3: Be nice to play with a few more leads as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, that would help, That would help. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: just thought that was, you know, an interesting part of

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Speaker 2: this whole dynamic here. I think if they get their

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Speaker 2: pressures in their sacks back up to where they have

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Speaker 2: been over the last five or six years, it goes

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Speaker 2: a long way towards helping this team win games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's a priority for I mean

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Speaker 3: absolutely accumulated, right, Marcus Golden's not a throwaway addition.

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Speaker 2: No not, he is. Matt Williamson, I am Dale, Lallie.

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