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Speaker 2: What a weekend? What a week really for these Red Birds.

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Speaker 3: You know, remember the game, the first game in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: They're ten and two.

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Speaker 3: They have the best record in the majors since April thirty. Now,

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Speaker 1: Life comes at you fast, and usually we're talking about

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Speaker 2: Usually it's like a very very strong, quick collapse.

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Speaker 1: But I think we're just seeing such a strong brand

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Speaker 1: and we've made this discussion where I feel like this

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Speaker 1: I mean, everything's been great. The defense has been great,

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Speaker 1: sneakily very good. The only change they made in terms

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Speaker 1: This quote from Nolan Arnaudo post game. This is what

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Speaker 1: And I feel that Cardinals when they get to the

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Speaker 1: they have a chance to win this game right now,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all parts of their team are working really well.

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Speaker 3: and I'm not blaming him. You know, there are a

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Speaker 3: give me a break. You either win or you don't.

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Speaker 3: You don't get to draw up your own schedule.

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Speaker 4: And you know, they.

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Speaker 3: They're now four zero and one in their last five

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Speaker 4: Enjoy it. We don't know how long this will last,

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Speaker 1: I'll throw some more offensive stats at you, Bernie.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that amazing? We're the same wavelengthd on this.

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Speaker 3: No, my gosh, we did not trade notes before the show. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's go back to last year if we could.

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Speaker 3: You know, through forty one games last year, that club

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Speaker 4: And this is a team that slash.

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Speaker 4: People are like, what.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, tighlight zone? I got that one.

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Speaker 2: Today, Bernie. I think it's a great point.

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Speaker 1: All right, more pitching stats for you. But first, Bernie,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're they're founder Aaron, great dude. Uh, great

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Speaker 1: The cardinals like, they like when they're starting pitching staff

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Speaker 1: And having a rotation that provides length is important, right,

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Speaker 3: Right and there's always a little bit of an underlying vulnerability.

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Speaker 2: That, Bertie.

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Speaker 1: The reason I started laughing when you started discussing your

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Speaker 2: Right, And then here you are.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable and I hope people believe this. There was

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Speaker 3: So no, But I can't wait to read the story

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Speaker 3: But I gotta say at this point, right now, especially

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Speaker 3: after the way Polante pitched over the weekend, because I

441
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Speaker 3: was a little think he might need to tune up

442
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Speaker 3: down in Memphis, Like, is there anyone that's pitching so

443
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Speaker 3: poorly that you would, you know, completely rearrange everything.

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Speaker 4: We're going to do. Put Fetti in the bullpen, you what,

445
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Speaker 4: I'm going to try to send him to the mind.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, it's just the rotation to your point,

447
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Speaker 3: you know, during this ten and two stretch that they're in,

448
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Speaker 3: this rotation has a start. There's a starting pitching starting

449
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Speaker 3: pitcher e ra A at two point seventy five, So

450
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Speaker 3: what you want to rip that up now and to

451
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Speaker 3: make room for McGreevy. And I'm not being a hypocrite.

452
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Speaker 3: I want to see McGreevy up here. I think he

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Speaker 3: will be this year. But you know, things are going

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Speaker 3: so well that you know, I'm I'm sort of disciplining

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Speaker 3: myself not to growl about a lot of things. When

456
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Speaker 3: everything is going really well. At this point, there's a

457
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Speaker 3: ton to growl about stuff. Uh, this isn't the time,

458
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Speaker 3: you know, but yeah, we could, we could point the

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Speaker 3: different guys here and there, so well, he should have

460
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Speaker 3: more an opportunity. But look at who the people they've

461
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Speaker 3: given opportunities to break out. Breakout starting pitcher of the year.

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Speaker 3: I think Matthew Liberatory he's one of the most He's

463
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Speaker 3: one of the most effective starters in Major League Baseball

464
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Speaker 3: because because of his strikeout walk rate ratio, strikeout talk ratio,

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Speaker 3: because he doesn't allow home runs.

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Speaker 4: He's also ninth and I think he's not seventh, seventh. Yeah,

467
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Speaker 4: he's sent in the.

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Speaker 3: Among starting pitchers and fielding independent y R. And that's

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Speaker 3: what's the difference. Well, because the things he can control

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Speaker 3: for the you know, you know in terms of you know,

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Speaker 3: good strikeout rate, very low walk rate, very low home

472
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Speaker 3: run rate. You know, that's why it's fielding independent. That

473
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Speaker 3: tells you how exactly he's pitching where you know, he

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Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily necessarily need a great defense behind him. So

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Speaker 3: and then Victor Scott the second he has been absolutely

476
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Speaker 3: terrific in every single way and even when he slows

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Speaker 3: down for a few days, you know, you think, oh, well,

478
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Speaker 3: maybe maybe it's kind of gonna turn, and no, it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: He's relentless.

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Speaker 3: And so think about Libertare and think about Scott, like

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Speaker 3: where they are as we record this on May eleventh,

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Speaker 3: think about what they've done.

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Speaker 4: They're runway guys. If we've ever seen runway guys, right right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyway, I know you have more to say

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Speaker 3: about this, but I just wanted to kind of throw

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Speaker 3: my pat hat in there. Yeah, because there's always gonna

487
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Speaker 3: be stuff we can fuss about, but now is not

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Speaker 3: the time. The only thing I'll probably fuss about is

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Speaker 3: if they don't commit to Herrera as a detch, but

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Speaker 3: that's another topic for another day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we ally Marvel today.

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Speaker 1: Herrera was going to catch and he said yes, and

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Speaker 1: then I said when and he said he will catch.

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Speaker 1: So maybe maybe they're they're in the process of that.

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Speaker 1: But Bernie, I do like what you're saying. Look, in

496
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Speaker 1: this transition season, they were always going to be blocked

497
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Speaker 1: a little bit once the Nolan trade didn't go through.

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Speaker 1: And I hear you. If you want Thomas Jaysey up

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Speaker 1: on the club or if this is a youth event.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't McGreevy in here? I hear you, and they're

501
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Speaker 1: valid questions, And to be quite honest and candid, both

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Speaker 1: Allie and Moe would love to have McGreevy up here.

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Speaker 1: They've said it, but there's not a space for him

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. At some point there will be, whether

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Speaker 1: that's injury, whether it's under performance, there will be and

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Speaker 1: we'll see him. But the run Way Verse Results tandem

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Speaker 1: isn't going to be completely fair to everyone.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not cut as cut and dry as maybe fans

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Speaker 1: would like to think it is. It's not just oh,

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Speaker 1: this is about the youth movement, so we need to

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Speaker 1: play all the young players. It's also about trying to

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Speaker 1: do both at the same time, and again they're doing

514
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Speaker 1: a nice job of that. The eight game winstry certainly helps,

515
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Speaker 1: but what it's also doing is it's taking some of

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Speaker 1: the pressure off of Nolan Gorman and Jordan Walker, who

517
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Speaker 1: are struggling and continue to slump and we haven't really

518
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Speaker 1: seen any substantial changes offensively from either of them. But

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Speaker 1: because the Cardinals are winning, we're not compounding on If

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Speaker 1: Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman are going to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: It's a focus, it's a concern, sure, absolutely, but it

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Speaker 1: buys them more time to figure this out. And they

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Speaker 1: are the two designated faces of this runway movement, whether

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Speaker 1: they asked to be or not.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this before.

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Speaker 1: So with the Cardinals winning ballgames and having different players

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Speaker 1: take strides forward, whether that's Victor Scott, whether it's Matthew

528
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Speaker 1: libertore go down the list, the two players that they

529
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Speaker 1: need to see the most out of aren't doing that

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Speaker 1: right now, and that is okay because they're winning without them,

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Speaker 1: and it's buying them some additional time. Because if the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals were let's say, four enter five hundred, would Jordan

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Speaker 1: Walker and Nolan Gorman's runway still exist? And that I

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Speaker 1: think is the bigger problem if you're trying to do

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Speaker 1: runway verse results and all of a sudden, the results

536
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Speaker 1: are overpowering what priority number.

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Speaker 2: One should be, which is the runway.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think the Cardinals have done a really

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Speaker 1: nice job of getting both and it's cost them a

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Speaker 1: couple losses, cost them a few in April, but they

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Speaker 1: more or less stuck to their plan of the players

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Speaker 1: they identified early on and getting them consistent playing time. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not exactly fair because to jac and McGreevy and

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Speaker 1: take your pick, aren't here. It's not a full fledged rebuild.

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Speaker 1: It was never advertised to be.

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Speaker 2: It was. Here are the players we're giving playing time. Two.

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Speaker 2: This is going to change a little bit now that

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Speaker 2: Nolan Arnatto.

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Speaker 1: Is still here, but we're still emphasizing above all Jordan Walker,

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Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman, new Bar and if some players in spring

551
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Speaker 1: training seize the opportunity, we'll give them that chance as well.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you're seeing with Scott and Liberator.

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Speaker 2: The results a.

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Speaker 1: Straight wins, three games und of over five hundred and

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals fully back in the mix and then essentral.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, to your point, just to probably

557
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Speaker 3: saying the same thing, and I'll be quick about it.

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Speaker 3: See this winning streak, and you know, eight in a row,

559
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Speaker 3: ten out of twelve, that's the timing couldn't be better

560
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Speaker 3: because in addition, they needed to start winning, and they

561
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Speaker 3: needed to start winning on the road.

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Speaker 4: This gives them cover.

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Speaker 3: It gives them time because there's so many good things

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Speaker 3: happening with the team right now that I'm not in

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Speaker 3: any way suggesting that people are not paying attention to

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Speaker 3: Walker and Gorman because of course fans are, of course

567
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Speaker 3: we in the media are, But there's some other issues

568
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Speaker 3: that have kind of, you know, come to the forefront

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Speaker 3: about like, Wow, that's better than I thought it would be. Wow,

570
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Speaker 3: this is better than I thought it'd be. Wow, this

571
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Speaker 3: players better than I thought it'd be. Why look at

572
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Speaker 3: how they fix the bullpen. I thought the bullpen was

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Speaker 3: going to be their downfall, right, And so there's so

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Speaker 3: many positives that to your point, there's not as much

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Speaker 3: external pressure probably even internal pressure to like make a

576
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Speaker 3: move real soon with one or both of these guys

577
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Speaker 3: so they can write it out a little bit. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I do see some signs, you know, but I know, look,

579
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Speaker 3: it comes down to what you actually do. But I

580
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Speaker 3: see some signs that could lead to better days for

581
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Speaker 3: both of those guys. But nobody wants to hear that.

582
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Speaker 3: But I do see some signs. I look for all

583
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Speaker 3: kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 1: One more thing on on Walker and Gorman, and I

585
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Speaker 1: thought this was important because eventually the Cardinals are going

586
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Speaker 1: to have to make a decision about one or both

587
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Speaker 1: of those players if they're not seeing any change, and

588
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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a dramatic change. The Cardinals

589
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Speaker 1: are not asking Jordan Walker Nolan Gorman to be superstars.

590
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Speaker 2: They need to see.

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Speaker 1: Incremental changes that show that a consistent adaptability can take

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Speaker 1: place as these two young guys try to figure it

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Speaker 1: out out right, So when I asked Mo, like, how

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Speaker 1: are you evaluating Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman?

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Speaker 2: And I thought this was such a toning answer. It's lengthy.

596
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Speaker 1: Bear with me, but I think it's important to reiterate.

597
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: MO said, it's an important year for both. You only

598
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Speaker 1: get so many chances this year. That's not to say

599
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Speaker 1: that because of their ages they won't get more, but ultimately,

600
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Speaker 1: trying to have personal success as well as team success

601
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: is always the needle you're trying to thread. We are

602
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Speaker 1: trying to win out here. We did state we're going

603
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Speaker 1: to be patient, and so we are. But there are

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Speaker 1: some strategic things that these young men need to be

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Speaker 1: doing to start showing their making those changes. We can't

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Speaker 1: continue to do the same thing over and over again

607
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Speaker 1: and expect a different outcome. Yes, they are going to

608
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Speaker 1: be given a long opportunity to try to get themselves

609
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Speaker 1: where they need to be, but it's not infinite, and

610
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Speaker 1: that is as clear as day. We're going to keep

611
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Speaker 1: running them out there. We're going to give them as

612
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Speaker 1: many chances as they can to succeed. But if we're

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Speaker 1: not seeing changes and they keep repeating the same things

614
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: over and over again, no consistent contact from Gorman, not

615
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Speaker 1: laying off the slider low and away from Jordan, those

616
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Speaker 1: things keep happening, then we're going to make a decision.

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Speaker 2: Because we've given them the runway. Now, that runway is

618
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Speaker 2: not running out anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: To your point, I don't think they feel any kind

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Speaker 1: of internal pressure because they're winning games, and I think

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Speaker 1: Alli Marmel has been really encouraged by Jordan's mentality and

622
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Speaker 1: the way Gorman's been going about his work with hitting

623
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Speaker 1: coach Bran Brown. So we're not looking at any pending

624
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: moves right now. They're going to use this runway. But

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Speaker 1: if after the next six weeks or so, I'm not

626
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Speaker 1: saying it's going to be six weeks, I'm just throwing

627
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Speaker 1: out the number, we're still talking about the same thing,

628
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Speaker 1: then there might be some changes. But right now the

629
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Speaker 1: Cardinals can do both.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you look at a month from now, six weeks

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Speaker 3: from now, which is your reference?

632
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Speaker 4: Six weeks.

633
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: It seems about right. But a lot of it has

634
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Speaker 3: to do with how the team's doing as well. If

635
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Speaker 3: the offense craters and all of a sudden they're really

636
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: scrounging and they're losing, they're still pitching well, but they're

637
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: losing games four to two all the time or whatever,

638
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: there might be more urgency to do something. And I

639
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: know they have some I know that they could slot

640
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Speaker 3: some people in and and make it work. But I'm not,

641
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: in any way, no way whatsoever ticked off that they're

642
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: sticking with these guys through this, because number one, that's

643
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: what they told us they would do.

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00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: And so I have no idea why any.

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Speaker 3: Person who paid any attention whatsoever is surprised by this

646
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: or like revolted by this. Now, if we get into

647
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: Late Union, it's still happening. And Ali Mormola said it,

648
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: John Moselek told you, you know the runway, it doesn't

649
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Speaker 3: extend forever.

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Speaker 4: You know, it is a limit. You do run out

651
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Speaker 4: a runway.

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Speaker 3: So I think the conditions in the standings and just

653
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Speaker 3: the way they're playing and whether they're pitching, can still

654
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: win games for them, even if the offense isn't going great.

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Speaker 3: For a series, I think all those things will be

656
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: factored in, but also they just go Listen, those two

657
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: guys have to show some progress.

658
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: They just have to. You know, we're not asking to

659
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: be all stars, but they have to show some progress.

660
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: So this is going to be a.

661
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: Story no matter how well they're playing. I mean, these

662
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: two will always be a story because they were. They

663
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: were the brothers. They're the Runway Brothers of twenty twenty five.

664
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: There's no doubt.

665
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: Abat they're the faces of the season and they never

666
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: asked to be. But this is where we are. So

667
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals fans, if you're looking for a question or an

668
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: answer on what the Cardinals are going to do, whether

669
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: it's with Jordan Walker, Nolan Gorman, the Toy deadline, are

670
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: they good, are they bad?

671
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: Are they right in the middle? Guess what, We don't

672
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: have an answer for you.

673
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: No, And this is going to be an exciting Cardinal

674
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: season because I don't think it's going to be very.

675
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: Predictable at all, and we are one thousand percent going

676
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: to write it together.

677
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: But over the last eight days, I think it's been

678
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: pretty enjoyable. Burning anything else stand out to about the

679
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: Washington series, No, I just.

680
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: The all phases of the game really good.

681
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: And the thing that jumped out at me and again,

682
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: and it's nothing new, but I think we should reiterate

683
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: it a lot, which is this team takes their quality

684
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: of their bats is so much better than what we

685
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: saw last year in twenty twenty three. It's just and listen,

686
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: not every game is going to be like that, but

687
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: there were those were three games where they just put

688
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: together great at bats and you know, you can see

689
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: Nationals picture the starting pitchers trying to get him to

690
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: Chase and they were.

691
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: Like, Nope, we're not going to do that. Boom.

692
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: You know, just just mentally, they seem to really locked in

693
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: about what they have to do, and all the stuff that.

694
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: Brent Brown is stressing, they're they're applying it.

695
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: And that is a really really positive indicator for the

696
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: Cards because you figure by now, you know, maybe some

697
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: guys would be tuning Brent Brown out. I don't know

698
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: that that's happened around here a lot, but they all

699
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: seem to be really really right there with him and

700
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: everything he's trying to do.

701
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: And to contrast that, it's a great point about the

702
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: quality of at bats because on the other side, of

703
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: the Diamond. The Nationals at bats were dreadful. Eric Fetty,

704
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean he was dominant, but Eric Fetty had one

705
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: free ball count in nine innings and then come out

706
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: there same approach against Polante early counts one, two, o

707
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: two and just not really kind of having any had

708
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: a pitch selection and then get their weak round balls

709
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: and it was like a really uninspiring performance from the

710
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: Nationals for three days. I think that really, to me

711
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: showed how impactful the quality of the bats from the

712
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals side where because the Nationals I was I.

713
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: Was getting annoyed. I was like, do I need to

714
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: step down there and teach these guys on to work?

715
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, no, no, And Dave Martinez kind of

716
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: went off on his team after Saturday's game and it

717
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: wasn't and it wasn't better today. It was not And

718
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: that was like a made to order opponent for Miles Michaelis.

719
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: You know, it really was.

720
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: A lineup, James, What is a dude? Cj Arimams is

721
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: a dude, I get it.

722
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: But he didn't have to throw, you know, because his

723
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: his focus has been you know, I don't have to

724
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: throw as many strikes and I know he's.

725
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: Been working on that.

726
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: But the thing, the wonderful thing about the Nationals, their

727
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: bats are so bad, is that, no, he didn't have

728
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: to throw them many strikes because they get themselves out

729
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: and he's got enough of that trick ory to make

730
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: that happen. So listen, we've been on him so much too.

731
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: I'm actually happy for the guy. I have no reason

732
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: to hate on him. You know, he wants to do well.

733
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: You could tell he's really happy you're around him. I

734
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: think he feels like he's really as TLR would say,

735
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: putting his piece in. You know, he's putting his piece

736
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: in right, He's not along for the ride.

737
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: He's he's looked really hard.

738
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: And I get it because again, Cardinals fans want Michael

739
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: McGreevy in there, and the in the eyes of the fans,

740
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I get it. The logical thing which to just get

741
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: rid of Miles and put McGreevy in there. We know

742
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. But or why it didn't happen.

743
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: The credit to Miles. Since that Boston debacle, he's been

744
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: very effective for his limit. We talked about it after

745
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: the game, said, my fastball command is better. I've really

746
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: been putting in like a different kind of approach, and

747
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: his mentality is there. Look, he didn't want to go

748
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: out there and suck, and he put in the work

749
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: and he knew what he was being said about him.

750
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: And when he was on.

751
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: The podcast earlier in the season, and I think was

752
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: really candid about the struggles and the challenges of adapting

753
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: so late in your career, and he did a really

754
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: nice job. He's done a really nice job for the

755
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: last month or so. So I'm with you Burn, Yeah.

756
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: And I'm a pretty simple guy. And as a writer

757
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: and a comment commentator. Is it because people will say, well,

758
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: you're you're kind of flip flopping on him.

759
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not.

760
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: When he's bad, he's really really bad, and he hasn't

761
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: been really good for a long time up until recently.

762
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to write that he's bad and it's a

763
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 3: damn shame that he's blocking someone like McGreevy. But if

764
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 3: the guy starts to pitch better, what I'm going to

765
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: be like a petulant child in the corner and just

766
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: like stick to it.

767
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: Oh he stinks, he stinks.

768
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: You know, you guys are allowed to do that.

769
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my you know, my motto has always

770
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: been I got to remind fans all the time.

771
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: And a lot of fans have been following me for

772
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 4: a long time.

773
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: I heard it a million times. Praise when warranted, criticize

774
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 3: when warranted. If you stick to that code, you're fine.

775
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: But just because you take a stand, you're saying a

776
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: guy stinks right, and then when he doesn't stink it,

777
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: he's he's doing really well.

778
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 4: You don't deny him the credit for that.

779
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 6: You know.

780
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: So someone should get shop, someone should make me a judge.

781
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: I think, so you're hot her.

782
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 4: I'm ready. I'm ready.

783
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Anyways, all right, we got one city down to to go.

784
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm in Philadelphia right now. I've never been to Philly before.

785
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: This is my last National League city and I think

786
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: I only have five ballparks left, so I'm super excited.

787
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: They're hot and the Cardinals are hot. Out to be

788
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: a great shage.

789
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: It's a great series, and you have two pictures that

790
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: you want three really coming with Betty coming out such

791
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: a good start. But I would love to see what

792
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: Matthew Libertore looks like pitching in a hostile environment such

793
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: as Citizens Bank Park against a really potent offense. That's

794
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: a different Phillies team than what the Cardinals saw in April.

795
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: And I think the Cardinals are a different team than

796
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: what the Phillies saw in April. I'm really excited for

797
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 1: that matchup. I cannot wait to see how Libby does.

798
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: One final thought, it's a question for you, and I

799
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: know I'm extending this longer than you want because you

800
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: got to you got to get this in. But please

801
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: tell me that you took the amtrak to Philly from

802
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: That's where I.

803
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: Found my story.

804
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: A bunch of the Cardinals did too. We were talking

805
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: after the game and there was like eight of them.

806
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: They're like, Katy, you gotta get on the five twenty.

807
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: It's like four forty. I was like, gentlemen, you can

808
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: leave some of us.

809
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: I do have a job. I have to write. They're like, no,

810
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: get on the fun twenty. Get on the fun twenty.

811
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: I did not make the five twenty, not even close.

812
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: I made the Sun when I moved to Saint Louis.

813
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I love Saint Louis so much and people

814
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 3: say would miss anything. The only two things I missed,

815
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: And it's nothing against Saint Louis.

816
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's geography more than anything.

817
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: I miss not having an ocean like about a reach.

818
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: Eight eighty minute eighty minute drive from where I lived,

819
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 4: you know.

820
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: And I and I missed train travel because I have

821
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: assignment's all up and down the East Coast and it's

822
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: just oh in the in. The train station in Baltimore

823
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: was like five about four blocks from my house.

824
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 4: It's all I love.

825
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: I love the transportation and I love taking the train.

826
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: So I was really trained. We have a ton of

827
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: train trips too. We have San Diego to LA we

828
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: have Milwaukee to Chicago.

829
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: That's a great one.

830
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: I'll take the train to Chicago every now and then

831
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: just because it's you know, it's a forty five minute flight.

832
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: But I get a lot of work done on those

833
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: train trips.

834
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: So it's it's really cool, all right. I'm glad to

835
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: hear that. I'm not surprised, but I had to just check.

836
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Traveler and I had a travel voucher anyway, so it's free.

837
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: And my company loved that.

838
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: Don't they always? Right, Well, you have a great week.

839
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: What we'll be reading you, you know, of course at

840
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: the Athletic following you on Twitter, all that good stuff.

841
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: Always always a pleasure to be with you.

842
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: I know it was really fun and I can't wait

843
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: to set a personal record for cheesteaks consumed in a

844
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: three day period.

845
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: Uh set the over at five point five. Stay tuned.

846
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: You got to give us a review next week. You

847
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: gotta next time we do this, like what your favorite

848
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: one was or something.

849
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: I'll be very prepared.

850
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 4: All right, all right, you take care for Bernie.

851
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: I'm Katie.

852
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: This is Cardinal Territory. Enjoy the ride, Cardinals fans. Eight

853
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: straight wins. That is something to be excited about. We

854
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: will talk to you next week.

855
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: Jo