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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Freedom Hut. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being here. As always, it is an honor and pleasure,

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Speaker 1: and phones are open eight four four nine hundred to

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Speaker 1: without the narrative, the big story out there, the big

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Speaker 1: media focus going from it. Couldn't even stay on one

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Speaker 1: It went from the Trump uh the Trump Putin meeting,

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Speaker 1: which I have to say, based on all the different

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Speaker 1: depending on which expert, which pundit you read it was

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Speaker 1: either fine, it was either statesmanlike, or it was the

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Speaker 1: most embarrassing, uh preposterous, you know, stepping on the uh

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump did not believe Putin's denials about not being

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Speaker 1: it's perception. It's pre election perception manipulation or or meddling,

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Speaker 1: campaign aided by the release of some emails. Right, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. There was no actual hacking

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Speaker 1: and they will say, you know, the whole hacking of

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Speaker 1: back to Mr Previous. So you got White House Chief

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Speaker 1: The President absolutely did not believe the denial of of

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Speaker 1: It's like climate change. Do you believe in climate change?

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Speaker 1: So here's House Intelligence Committee Member Adam Shift. He's jumping

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Speaker 1: She had a meeting with some of some of Trump's people.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned, Uh, Don Jr. Was in the meeting,

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Speaker 1: So is Jared Kushner, who is now a government employee.

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Speaker 1: that love is giving the benefit of the doubt. When

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Speaker 1: who gave it in substance verbally. Remember they didn't give

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Speaker 1: the physical document, but that that doesn't matter all that much.

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Speaker 1: But the the overwhelming likelihood here is that Comy Uh

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Speaker 1: either spoke about the unclassified portions or rather Comey's injured

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Speaker 1: mediary here, this professor spoke about the unclassified portions of

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Speaker 1: the document to the press. The only way that Comy

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Speaker 1: maybe gets gets jammed up here is if he gave

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Speaker 1: a classified memo to the intermediary professor Guy and the

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Speaker 1: professor whose name I'll pull up here in a second,

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Speaker 1: I think, and the professor says or the professor had

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Speaker 1: possession of the classified information, did not have a clearance,

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Speaker 1: and then verbalized unclassified portions of it to the New

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Speaker 1: York Times. Then callmy could be Then then called me

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Speaker 1: could be in trouble, not you know, long time in

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Speaker 1: federal prison trouble probably, but he could be. He could

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Speaker 1: definitely be in some trouble. So that's possible. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it's not possible, folks. I'm just telling you the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming likelihood here. Just because the Left runs runs out

444
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: there with unsourced stuff and comes to conclusions that are

445
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Speaker 1: false and is lying all the time, doesn't mean that

446
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Speaker 1: we can abandon what we know to be true what

447
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Speaker 1: we know to be reality and just play there gain

448
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: the exact same way. I know, we we gotta we

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00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: gotta fight back hard. I understand that, And that's why

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Speaker 1: a lot of you give a tremendous leeway to Trump

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Speaker 1: to do so, including um acting out in ways that

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Speaker 1: are are not traditionally considered within the standards of presidential decorum.

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Speaker 1: I think we could say that, but he's in he's

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Speaker 1: in a fight. He's in a street fight against the media.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, right, And you're in a street fight,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta throw headbuts. Trump Trump throws headbutts, he

457
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: throws elbows. You know, He'll throw the nearest trash cam,

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00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: whatever he's gotta do. He that's how he fights against

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Speaker 1: the media. But I don't see Comy getting in trouble here.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to go and let you know

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00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: that right away. There's it is over. I think it's

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Speaker 1: ninety would be the likely I gave that Comy did

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Speaker 1: not share any classified information with his uh with the

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Speaker 1: friend and who then shared it with The New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Because also the information keep in mind, we know we've

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Speaker 1: heard what the information is and a discussion about how

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Speaker 1: Trump would like the FBI director to proceed about a

468
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Speaker 1: case that's not going to fall under that's not going

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Speaker 1: to be classified. It's far unless I'm missing something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as far as I know that, that's not gonna be classified. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's improper, it's bad protocol. It's unethical to have shared

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Speaker 1: in the way that Comy did, for sure. But remember

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Speaker 1: there's a difference between unethical and criminal, and that's something

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Speaker 1: we have to mine with this. Speaking of which, now

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Speaker 1: I've gotta transition the other side. I have been somebody

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Speaker 1: who has been unwilling to run out there and get

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Speaker 1: ahead of the facts on the Jane Sanders investigation, right,

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Speaker 1: the Jane Sanders investigation by the FBI. This is Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders wife who was the president of Burlington College up

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Speaker 1: in up in Ver, mom Burlington's a funnel town, by

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Speaker 1: the way. If you ever get a chance to hang

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Speaker 1: out there, you know, you go play some hackey sack

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Speaker 1: eats and Ben and Jerry's. You know, smell some interesting

484
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: smells on the streets from the in the air, from

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Speaker 1: things that are maybe being you know, from incense, obviously

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Speaker 1: I'm referring to. But it's a it's a cute town, Burlington.

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Speaker 1: I do like it anyway. Federal prosecutors, according to the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, have presented evidence against Sanders before a grand jury.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to be one of these people who's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's just let's let's do what the left does. Let's

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Speaker 1: just try to let's hope that our political enemies get

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Speaker 1: criminally prosecuted for minor stuff. Well, the more you know that,

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Speaker 1: I just didn't want to get ahead of it. But

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Speaker 1: now the facts are coming out on this and it's

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Speaker 1: not looking and not looking good right now. So the

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Speaker 1: Post is saying that federal prosecutors have confirmed that evidence

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Speaker 1: has been presented before a grand jury. It's just in today,

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Speaker 1: and that she she got a six point seven million

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Speaker 1: dollar bank loan in to finance an expansion of Burlington

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Speaker 1: College campus. And as I understand it, um this was

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Speaker 1: so she could purchase property that was owned by actually

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Speaker 1: the Catholic Church for ten million, ten million dollars, and

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Speaker 1: they Sanders on the loan application says this is according

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Speaker 1: to Washington Examiner, at the college had two point six

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Speaker 1: million and confirmed donations and anticipated an additional two point

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Speaker 1: to seven million dollars. But according to a former trustee

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Speaker 1: the college had only raised a hundred twenty five grand

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Speaker 1: by the summer of UH and that the college listed

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Speaker 1: a million dollar donation. Has secured payment from a Burlington

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Speaker 1: resident even though she agreed to do it the money

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Speaker 1: when she died and she is very much alive, this resident.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you, um, I'm now I'm now

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Speaker 1: switching over into the oh. I do think that fraud.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting fraud against a bank you go to prison

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Speaker 1: for a long time bank fraud against the American people

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Speaker 1: on a systemic and uh and widespread scale with the

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Speaker 1: mortgage meltdown crisis that you know, that's like, they'll pay

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Speaker 1: some fines. No one goes No one really goes to

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Speaker 1: prison though. But that's a discussion I suppose for another day.

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Speaker 1: But look if you if you applied for a mortgage, everybody,

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Speaker 1: if you applied for a mortgage and you said that

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Speaker 1: you had a half a million dollars of income a

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Speaker 1: year by you know, I don't know, from your blog

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Speaker 1: that would by the way, that would be an amazing

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Speaker 1: blog you have to have, like that would be like

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Speaker 1: the best bloger. But you have a million doctors from

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Speaker 1: your blog and it turns out you're actually making like

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Speaker 1: like five K year from your blog and you got

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Speaker 1: that loan, You're you're gonna you're gonna be in trouble. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a big no no to get

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Speaker 1: a to get a big loan from it, to get

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Speaker 1: a loan from a bank based on fake numbers. So look,

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Speaker 1: this is still just an allegation. But the more the

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Speaker 1: more I see this, the more it looks like miss

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Speaker 1: Sanders could be in some in some real trouble at

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders wife. And whether uh Sanders is involved in

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Speaker 1: this or not, we will we will have to see.

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Speaker 1: But this is a real investigation. It is a real

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Speaker 1: criminal investigation. And while I'm somebody who thinks that generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: uh victimless financial crimes because they're politically very palatable, because

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Speaker 1: U S. Attorney's Office is really like to make examples

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Speaker 1: of of white collar criminals, even whether it's people that

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Speaker 1: have engaged in some form of fraud against the bank.

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Speaker 1: Remember it's not clear the bank has had any losses.

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00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that anywhere. But it's still fraudulent to

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Speaker 1: present fake numbers to the bank. Uh. That all said,

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00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: we all have to live with those laws. Just because

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00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: she's Bernie Sanders wife doesn't mean that she gets to

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00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: live under different set of laws. And I think that

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Speaker 1: we could talk about legal reform and criminal justice reform,

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00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: and it's something that is of great interest to me.

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00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: But she looks like she might be in some trouble. Everybody, Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is not. The more I looked into the details,

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Speaker 1: the more let's come out about this. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that, Uh, saying you've got a few million in

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Speaker 1: the bank, when you've got a hundred thousand in the bank,

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00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: if you're getting a loan, and it's a big loan,

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00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: by the way, Uh, normal people do go to prison

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00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: for that. That that is a thing that people go

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Speaker 1: to prison for. It's certainly a felony that is prosecutable,

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Speaker 1: if that is in fact, If that is in fact

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Speaker 1: the case, Remember innocent until proven guilty. I don't play

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00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: the Democrat game of you know, Trump and his people

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00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: are all guilty of treason without any evidence and without

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Speaker 1: any trial, without any anything. Right. But the so I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that the comy thing, I'm telling you to

567
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: pump the brakes. Pump the brakes. Jane Sanders, though no

568
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm hitting the accelerator a little bit on that one.

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Speaker 1: That's not looking good. We'll hit a quick break here.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back. He's in the Wall Street Journal

571
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Speaker 1: about whether it is even possible that there will be

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Speaker 1: bipartisan they'll be bipartisan conclusions to these election meddling probes.

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Speaker 1: I think, by the way, the answer to this is

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Speaker 1: is almost certainly no. There will not be bipartisan. This

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00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: will not end up with with bipartisanship. There will not

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00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: be conclusions that are acceptable to both sides. And you've got,

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Speaker 1: of course, the leaders of both committees. I mean, these

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00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: are politicians. Everyone. Their life there do today is is politics,

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Speaker 1: and they're conducting investigations of who should really really with

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00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: the investigations about it, should Donald Trump be the president,

581
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: we can talk about everything else, and oh, and the

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Speaker 1: the the sanctity of the election process and preventing Russian

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Speaker 1: hacking at oh, we're all terrified of Russian hacking. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know. It's it's like it's this new thing that

585
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: just sprung up out of nowhere. But looking at this

586
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: issue and trying to be honest about it, we should

587
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: all understand that this is for the Democrats a a

588
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: referendum on the election. This is the congressionally mandated, taxpayer

589
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: funded equivalent of a virtue. Will recall, that's what they're

590
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: really trying to position this as. So it's a way

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00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: to undo the results of the election if they can

592
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: just get enough damaging, damaging stuff pulled together. And I

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00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: should note that includes from the Mueller probe, any prosecution

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00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: of any individual tied to Trump for anything. You'll notice

595
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: that people have been asking a lot of questions last

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Speaker 1: few days about Jared Kushner's disclosures to the government. I mean,

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00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: he he amended them, and about about any contacts that

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Speaker 1: he has, He's amended them. And now people are saying, well,

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Speaker 1: is he getting special treatment? This is a problem across

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Speaker 1: the government. You should I should note that the very

601
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: senior people get away with nonsense all the time, and

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00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: the lower level people are the ones that suffer the

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00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: consequences of even minor indiscretions and violations of rules. That's

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Speaker 1: why when the clamor for league prosecutions gets loud enough,

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00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: I it concerned, not because I think the people that

606
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: leak really damaging stuff and and know what they're doing

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: and do it, uh knowing the harms that can come

608
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: from that shouldn't be punished. But because that's how you

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00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: end up with somebody who does something that you're like,

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00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: that's even you. You got to jail for that, and

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00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, yeah, you know, some some

612
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: nobody you've never heard of, will be in the front

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Speaker 1: page of the New York Times, Washington Post and the

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00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, you know, because oh it is had

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Speaker 1: a had a what was authorized to speak to journalists,

616
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: but had a conversation with journalists he wasn't supposed to.

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00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: So employee from you know, X department or whatever is

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00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: is now you know, getting a twelve months or eighteen

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Speaker 1: months or something or whatever it is in prison. Because

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Speaker 1: that's just the unfortunately reality of of bureaucracies and and

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Speaker 1: that's the reality of power. But back to the Senate

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Speaker 1: and the Senate and House Intelligence Committee meetings, when people

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Speaker 1: talk about how we're losing respect for our institution or

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Speaker 1: there's a loss of respect for institutions in this country

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Speaker 1: if we don't get to the bottom of the Russia hacking,

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Speaker 1: I always want to tell I always want to point

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Speaker 1: out to them, you know what really undermines respect for

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Speaker 1: institutions when the Department of Justice under the Obama administration

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Speaker 1: with Loretta Lynches the Attorney General. Uh is what is

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00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: and what or was so brazenly politicized when you have

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Speaker 1: every Democrat who is involved in any investigation getting well

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00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: ahead of the facts and putting forward completely unsupportable conclusions

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00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: without any evidence, meant to damage the Trump administration, and

634
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: when there's nothing there's really no such thing based on

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Speaker 1: these investigations as a bipartisan inquiry into a foreign threat

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00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: to our elections, because for Democrats, it's really just about

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Speaker 1: finding a way to undermine uh unseen and destroy the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration. The Freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can

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Speaker 1: hang out with Teeth getting time plus get plus the

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Speaker 1: latest news and analysis. Go to Buck Sexton dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's buck Sexton dot com. The Buck is back. All right, team,

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Speaker 1: Great to have you with me. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being here. I wanted to talk to you a

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Speaker 1: little bit if I could, about all of the excuses

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Speaker 1: that we are currently getting from the Republicans on healthcare

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Speaker 1: UH and how we're we're told right now. Oh you know,

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Speaker 1: if if for some reason, if for some reason it

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Speaker 1: doesn't pass, then there'll be other things that we can

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Speaker 1: uh look forward to. Um, there'll be other things that

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Speaker 1: we can get to right away. And I just feel like, what,

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Speaker 1: at what stage of this process are we allowed to say, Um,

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Speaker 1: are we allowed to say that the Republicans have kind

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Speaker 1: of start doing some stuff in the Congress and they

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Speaker 1: need to get something done soon. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 1: John McCain saying the following about the health care bill.

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Speaker 1: My view is it's probably gonna be dead. But I

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Speaker 1: am I've been wrong. I thought i'd be President's Well,

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Speaker 1: yes he has. He has certainly been been wrong in

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Speaker 1: the past, but we've all been wrong. Then, no need

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Speaker 1: to take any any cheap shots. We've all made our

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Speaker 1: fair share of prognostications that did not in fact come true.

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Speaker 1: But the GOP is now looking at this health care bill,

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Speaker 1: and this is something that I think we're all focused

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Speaker 1: on from policy perspective, because at one it's not Russia,

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Speaker 1: it's not a waste of time, it's not just talking

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Speaker 1: about stuff to talk about it. It is a place

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Speaker 1: where we've seen a lot of promises made about the

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Speaker 1: future of the Republic, about where the Republican Party is

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Speaker 1: gonna go, and also a lot of promises May for

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Speaker 1: the country, and those promises are not being kept right now.

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Speaker 1: And I know that there's an inclination to give time

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Speaker 1: to the administration to get a number of things done.

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Speaker 1: I understand that. But if for peel and replace can't

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Speaker 1: really happen, and if we're going to have another year

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Speaker 1: of Obamacare and then another If if the Republicans in

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Speaker 1: the Senate are not brave enough to defund Obamacare and

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Speaker 1: their plan is just to let people suffer under Obamacare

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Speaker 1: until there's a political will to change it, I think

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Speaker 1: they run into the possibility of the enough Americans saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we're just fed up with this government

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Speaker 1: can't do any government's already running the show anyway, the

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Speaker 1: drumbeat for single for single payer will get louder and louder.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think is likely to happen. Here's what

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Speaker 1: the here's what's reported on political right now. The GOP

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Speaker 1: is struggling to revamp ailing Obamacare repeal bill, and a

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Speaker 1: key disagreement with the within the caucus centers on a

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Speaker 1: conservative proposal from mikele and Ted Cruz to slash Obamacare regulations.

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Speaker 1: Uh so, you've got a couple of senators who are

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Speaker 1: clearly opposed as Mike Lee and and Ted Cruz are saying, Look,

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Speaker 1: the Obamacare regulations have got to go. And that's because

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Speaker 1: I think those two centers in particular realize that if

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Speaker 1: you leave in the federal government's ability to tell you

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Speaker 1: wherever you are across the country, what your healthcare plan

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Speaker 1: has to cover, if the Department of Health and Human

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Speaker 1: Services HHS is making all the determinations about what your

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Speaker 1: plan covers, well, then the free market is not really

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Speaker 1: a thing that's particularly involved here. Right. This is the

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Speaker 1: government mandating what has to be covered for an insurance policy,

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Speaker 1: and then you ssurance companies just running the actuarial tables

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Speaker 1: and figuring out what everyone needs to pay into this,

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Speaker 1: and then the government traveling more money to some people

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Speaker 1: based upon their income so that they can pay for

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Speaker 1: some level of plan. And I mean, it's just we're

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Speaker 1: we're moving the moving the deck chairs around here, my friends.

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Speaker 1: But the whole thing is still going down. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the ship is sinking. It's sinking slowly, and I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are more scared about what would

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Speaker 1: happen at this point if we had dramatic health care change.

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Speaker 1: Then if we just continued on this current course, which

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Speaker 1: is that's disconcerting in and of itself. But I mean

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Speaker 1: the Republicans in the Senate, it's like they just got

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Speaker 1: this dropped on them out of out of nowhere. This

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Speaker 1: just fell in their lives. Oh Bob, do you see

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Speaker 1: I don't know why whatever whatever, I'm thinking of a

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Speaker 1: random dude to just bob as the first. Oh Bob,

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Speaker 1: but oh Bob, you see this thing that this healthcare plan,

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Speaker 1: and this is crazy, this little Bobacare thing. Oh gosh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just got a copy dropped on my guess too.

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Speaker 1: Came out of nowhere. No, they've been saying for a

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Speaker 1: long time now that they would repeal and replace this

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Speaker 1: thing that they've been they've been promising that that's what

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Speaker 1: that is what we were told. We were not told

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Speaker 1: that this was gonna be a long term negotiation within

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Speaker 1: Republican ranks over the um future of what multi phase,

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Speaker 1: multi pronged repeal process could look like with a lot

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Speaker 1: of taxpayer cash throw into the process. So this is

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Speaker 1: it's tough to get excited about it. It really is.

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Speaker 1: And you've already got Treasury Secretary Secretary Minuting saying that

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Speaker 1: it just you got John mcain saying it might die

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. You got Manuchin saying we might have

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Speaker 1: to move on to the next thing. The President's first

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Speaker 1: priority is for the Senate the House to pass the plan.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I know, I know you have Senator Ted

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Speaker 1: Craze on right after me, and I'm I'm I'm very

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Speaker 1: hopeful that his plan and his changes will will get supported.

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Speaker 1: And I think we'd like to get healthcare done. If

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Speaker 1: we don't get this past, then the president, as he said,

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Speaker 1: well we'll go to the next plan. Now. To be fair,

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Speaker 1: this is not the president that is failing. This is

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Speaker 1: not his administration that people will say he should be

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Speaker 1: showing leadership. And does anyone think that like Obama was

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Speaker 1: up really late at night during his presidency writing the

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Speaker 1: thousands of pages of the Obamacare bill, you know, him

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Speaker 1: and Nancy Pelosi or you know, pulling an all night

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Speaker 1: or to try to stay up and write the build. No,

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Speaker 1: it was pulled together by left wing interest groups over

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Speaker 1: a long period of time, and Obama was out there

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Speaker 1: selling to the public, and people said, well, Trump should

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Speaker 1: be showing more leadership, he should be selling this to

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Speaker 1: the pub. What's he's selling exactly. I mean, he's he's

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Speaker 1: trying to give some I think he's trying to create

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Speaker 1: some space for Republicans to get creative and get this

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Speaker 1: thing done. I think he's trying to make some moves here.

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Speaker 1: But let's not let's not fool ourselves. Okay, it's not

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Speaker 1: even clear. How how can you be a salesman for

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Speaker 1: something if you don't even know what the product really

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Speaker 1: is yet? And this is not a knock on Trump.

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Speaker 1: You know, if I'm out there and i'm you know,

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Speaker 1: let's let's say I'm selling you a car and you

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Speaker 1: show up and I'm like, hey, I've got a great

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Speaker 1: I've got a great car for you here, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, Well what's gonna cost? I'm like, somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood of fifteen to fifty thousand dollars. You're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well is it? Is it? You know? Is it a

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Speaker 1: seven passenger four passengers at a coup and a Well

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things, yes, for sure. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's not that uncertain. We have some broad strokes with

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Speaker 1: the health care bill is gonna be everything, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's tough. It's tough for him I think to make

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Speaker 1: a particularly strong case other than Obamacare is bad. But

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Speaker 1: that's been the case for a long time. Everyone's been

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Speaker 1: saying Obamacare is bad. What do we have here that's better?

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Speaker 1: Long term Medicaid reform. I mean, I've got my my

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Speaker 1: wongk friends calling in saying, you know who are who

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Speaker 1: are big healthcare experts, and you know this is great

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Speaker 1: for the country long term. But nobody gets excited about.

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Speaker 1: And this is understandable, by the way, all right, no

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Speaker 1: one gets excited about medicaid savings to the taxpayer in

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Speaker 1: two or whatever. Okay, that that's not No One's like,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, you see what Trump just did. Medicaid spending

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Speaker 1: starting in the starting in the beginning of the of

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Speaker 1: the next decade is considerably less of an increase in

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Speaker 1: overall spending. I mean, that's tough to get excited about.

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Speaker 1: You know. One one problem I have with Republicans, one

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Speaker 1: issue that comes up with some time and again, is

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Speaker 1: that they do not learn from the successful tactics of

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Speaker 1: their opponents. Know what what? What did Obamacare really come down? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I know there was a lot of speech at President

789
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Speaker 1: Obama was giving speech after speech after speech on Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: But when people thought about that bill and yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know they made uh, I mean, I think it was unconstitutional.

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Speaker 1: Though you'll notice that Republicans have kind of abandoned that

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Speaker 1: whole line. Whatever happened to like, let's march around with

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Speaker 1: you know, try corner hats and copies the Constitution in

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Speaker 1: our pockets and the whole thing. You know, Obamacare was unconstituted.

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Speaker 1: I think it still is unconstitutional. You'll notice that everyone's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we don't really need to you know, that's not are

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make anymore? Why? Yeah, that hasn't all because

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Speaker 1: of Supreme Court rule. That doesn't mean we can't say

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Speaker 1: that we disagree with Supreme Court rules one way, now

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00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: rules another way. It's some other point. You're still allowed

802
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Speaker 1: to make the argument that you think they were in error.

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Speaker 1: It was a five four decision, everybody, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it all came down to well all came out of

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Speaker 1: justice from roberts Um. But I digress. But what you

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Speaker 1: remember about Obamacare was that he was selling it as

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Speaker 1: stay in your parents insurance until you're twenty six and

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Speaker 1: no pre existing conditions. And I really by the way,

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Speaker 1: the prexisting conditions component was I think the single most

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Speaker 1: compelling part of the whole thing. I think I think

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Speaker 1: that's where people were, you know, a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: who were well intentioned and you're trying to do the

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Speaker 1: best they can and just can't spend all day reading

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Speaker 1: about politics and focusing in on the stuff we're like, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean previous in conditions. That sounds now. The reality,

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Speaker 1: of course, is that a pretty small percentage of the

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Speaker 1: population overall, I mean overall, very small percentage of population

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Speaker 1: has a pre existing condition that prevents them from getting

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Speaker 1: any any health insurance. It was a real thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it wasn't, but it's a very small percentage

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Speaker 1: of the population such that you could have fixed that

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Speaker 1: without having to affect all the rest of the market.

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Speaker 1: But they used the emotional impact from that one component

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Speaker 1: of a much larger debate in order to give cover

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Speaker 1: to the rest of Obamacare, which is really just a

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Speaker 1: massive increase in government bureaucracy, in government decision making, in

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Speaker 1: the health care process, and just it's it's bad, and

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Speaker 1: I could go on for a long time about it,

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Speaker 1: but we've got a lot of other stuff I want

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Speaker 1: to cover here on the show, So Republicans. What are

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Speaker 1: they selling right now? See that that's really what I get.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been looking for an apartment recently in

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Speaker 1: New York City, which, by the way, is the most uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, depressing isn't really the way where it's

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Speaker 1: it's very tense and difficult, and it's it's a reminder that,

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Speaker 1: you know, winning the lottery would be a really nice thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, it could I could move out of like

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Speaker 1: a very expensive shoe box. But uh, you know, you're

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Speaker 1: looking for a department. It's interesting. I see how people

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Speaker 1: are trying to sell, you know, in a way that

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Speaker 1: is very real. You can it's you know, great location,

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Speaker 1: steps from the subway, and that's the first thing you get.

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Speaker 1: And then they get you there and hopefully they there

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Speaker 1: or they're hoping rather that by the time you figure

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Speaker 1: out that, you know, if you thought that that was

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Speaker 1: the neighbor's dog, but it was actually a giant sewer ratte,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, by the time you figure

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Speaker 1: out that there are some big problems in this in

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Speaker 1: this possible new home you and I'm exaggerate. I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen any giant stewer rattes looking around yet. But um,

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Speaker 1: you never it's New York City. I mean, I've had

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Speaker 1: friends I can tell you stories about what they've seen

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Speaker 1: in their living rooms. Ground floor apartments in New York

854
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Speaker 1: are quite an adventure sometimes, but you see how they

855
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Speaker 1: sell and then they hope to fill in the details

856
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Speaker 1: after it. And that's what they did with Obamacare. They

857
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Speaker 1: sold you on that. You know, we're gonna we're gonna

858
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Speaker 1: cover everybody, and everyone's gonna get coverage, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: predist in conditions and stay in your parents at church,

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Speaker 1: and and that starts right away. All the bad stuff

861
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Speaker 1: we're gonna delay till the very very end. But and they,

862
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Speaker 1: by the way, they've pushed some of that even further

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Speaker 1: out so that people don't have a full sense of

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Speaker 1: the effects of the law. I bring this up because

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Speaker 1: what are Republicans selling you. I mean, if this, if

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Speaker 1: this weren't a part if the Republican Healthcare Plan was

867
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Speaker 1: an apartment out of New York City, it would be

868
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Speaker 1: place where you can live totally more free, more get

869
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Speaker 1: based the other apartments, but also some city incentives involved

870
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Speaker 1: in stabilizing the rent process and will in the future

871
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Speaker 1: save you money over the course of it. I mean,

872
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: you know what one of my one of my signing

873
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Speaker 1: on the dotted line for here, what are the American

874
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: people getting out of this? That's it's you know, it's

875
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Speaker 1: not repealing replace, that's not what we're getting. And when

876
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: people ask, well, what are we getting out? I don't know.

877
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: The Republicans don't even know. So in a sense, I

878
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: I know that there's the there's a desire, willingness to

879
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: create a little more leeway. Okay, they're figuring out. Mitch

880
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: McConnell's on it, right, Whether that McConnell's on it and

881
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: we're just gonna's gonna figure it out. But whether that

882
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: makes you feel better about it or not, I leave

883
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: that to you. Um, but we should know what the

884
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: sales pitches before we have to sign the lease on

885
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: the health career. And of course they're going to sign,

886
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: and the Republicans are the ones signing it. We're just

887
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: we get to watch. But you see what I'm saying,

888
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: what's the top line, what's the header, what's the why?

889
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Why should we think that this Republican health care bill

890
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: as a victory. And the answer is that long term

891
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: Medicaid savings and it shores up the exchanges with additional

892
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: funding from a taxpayer. That no, I'm sorry, not not

893
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: getting it done, not good enough. I expect more from

894
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: these members of Congress who seemed to work by the way,

895
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: uh you know, they seem to have all read like

896
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Speaker 1: the four hour work Week that book and have taken

897
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: it to heart. I'm just putting that out there. Hit

898
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: a quick break, We'll be right back. So Chelsea Clinton

899
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: is runaround, still getting involved in stuff, and she recently well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I need to first and foremost established what

901
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: the issue is before I tell you how Chelsea Clinton

902
00:52:54,760 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: got involved. Ivanka took a role at the G twenty

903
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: standing in for her father at a meeting. And here's

904
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Speaker 1: what Sarah Hackeby Sanders said. It's a pretty standard protocol

905
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: that when the leader gets up, someone takes their seat

906
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: as chancellor. Merkel also pointed out and said that this

907
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: was perfectly standard protocol. In fact, I think that we

908
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: should be uh proud to have Avanka sitting in that seat,

909
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: considering particularly the topic that hand was part of her portfolio.

910
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: If she didn't have the last name that she has,

911
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: I think she would be constantly celebrated instead of constantly attacked,

912
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: and I frankly think it's a sad thing that they

913
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Speaker 1: chose to go after her in that moment. I have

914
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: to say that even the most ardent Trump defenders, I know,

915
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: um some of them are a little shy about going

916
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: too far to defend the way the administra well, the

917
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: way this this White House has elevated family members into

918
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: official positions. I'm I'm just keep it real, everybody. So

919
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: it is a little it feels something, It feels a

920
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: little little not so great. It does not feel uh fantastic.

921
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: I just want to be fair and clear with that.

922
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that it is um something that I

923
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Speaker 1: would not advocate for it. I'll put it you that way.

924
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: But then you get Chelsea Clinton getting involved in this,

925
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Speaker 1: and I have to say, Chelsea Clinton, if she had

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Speaker 1: uh charisma, if she was in any way a viable

927
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Speaker 1: option for public office, meaning you'd have to actually win

928
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: people's votes, not just be accepted, but because she is

929
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Speaker 1: accepted by virtue of her last name, still by the elites,

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Speaker 1: by the media, as we know, she was paid I

931
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Speaker 1: think it was over six hundred thousand dollars by NBC

932
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Speaker 1: to be a special correspondent. She was on TV for

933
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Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes. If you didn't ever actually see it,

934
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you it's worth going back to watch.

935
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: You could wherever you are in the country right now listening,

936
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: you could go into a whatever the closest pub or

937
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: bar is and you could find somebody right right now

938
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: who would do a better job on TV than than

939
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Speaker 1: Chelsea Clinton did. Right I'm not exaggerating, I mean it

940
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Speaker 1: was it was. People think that TV is just something

941
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: you do, and I will I will tell you that TV,

942
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: radio is certainly writing. These are all different forms of media,

943
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Speaker 1: but there are skill sets that are specific to them

944
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Speaker 1: that are involved. And a lot of people who think

945
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Speaker 1: they're going to be good at TV because you know,

946
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: they just watch a lot of TV. Let's see, people

947
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Speaker 1: doing analysis on TV are terrible and she was awful.

948
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Speaker 1: But she's responded to this. Uh, sheers wanted to Mr Trump,

949
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Speaker 1: suggesting that she would have been praised for standing in

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Speaker 1: for Hillary Clinton at the meeting, right so some people,

951
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: So he said, look, if Hillary stood in and where sorry,

952
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Speaker 1: if Chelsea stood in for Hill, everybody would say it's great.

953
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Speaker 1: By the way, I think that's true that the media

954
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Speaker 1: would be all in favor of it, and then she

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Speaker 1: wrote Chelsea wrote or tweeted whatever wrote on Twitter, good morning,

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Speaker 1: Mr President. It would never have occurred to my mother

957
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Speaker 1: or father to ask me, were you giving our country away?

958
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Speaker 1: Hoping not. I do not think this is where Chelsea

959
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Speaker 1: Clinton wants to take the discussion. I think that she

960
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Speaker 1: is going to find herself in a very uncomfortable debating

961
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Speaker 1: position when she starts talking about giving away the country

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Speaker 1: I mean her mother, the Clinton Foundation, Bill Clinton, the

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Speaker 1: I still think that, by the way, that the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration should have signed. You know, we want to do

965
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: special counsels that forget the Trump administration. The Department of

966
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: Justice should have signed special counsel look into all the

967
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Speaker 1: Clinton Foundations dealings that you forgot about the email even

968
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Speaker 1: for a second, although I know people want that to

969
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: be opened as well. The Clinton Foundation investigation, if it

970
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: had real federal resources, if it had UH subpoena power,

971
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: and it was unlimited funding, that would make for some

972
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: very interesting reading. He's holding the line for America, Buck

973
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: Sexton his back. We've got David French joining us now.

974
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Speaker 1: He's a senior writer for National Review, an attorney and

975
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: a veterate veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. David. Great to

976
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: have you back, sir, Thanks so much for having me back.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. All. Right, let's talk about your latest

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00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: piece in Nash Review. The Washington Post seek a right

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00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: wing scapegoat for left wing violence. This this was one

980
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: that I saw the initial headlines over the weekend about this,

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00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: and I thought, nah, not even not even the Washington

982
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: Post would would go this route. But but no, they

983
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: did tell everybody what happened. Yeah, this is one of

984
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: the craziest stories I've ever read. So you know, we

985
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: had the way he had this, this left wing, hard

986
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: left Bernie Sander supporter who went and attacked the GOP

987
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: baseball practice, a person unquestionably a man of the left,

988
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: unquestionably influenced by leftist thought, unquestionably part of left wing

989
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: Facebook groups. I mean, this just isn't in doubt. And

990
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: so the mainstream media in this instance, the Washington Post

991
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: did what it sometimes does when there's a mass shooter,

992
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: goes back to their hometown, tries to break down where

993
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: they come from, what what influenced them. And the Post

994
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: did that, except it focused on a right wing radio

995
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: host as being this really inflammatory guy who some Democrats

996
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: listened to, but they don't really know who, and they

997
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: don't really know how many people listened to him, and

998
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: they don't have any idea of the shooter actually listened

999
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,479
Speaker 1: to him. But they found this really angry right wing

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00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: radio host and they profiled him for oh gosh, I

1001
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: think around eight hundred words. It was remarkable. It was

1002
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: it was as if, well, they're the left wing shooter.

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Speaker 1: There had to be there was a left wing shooter,

1004
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: but there had to be some right wingers involved some way, somehow.

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00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: So let's find the most extreme right wing voice we

1006
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: can find in this community and highlight him. It was

1007
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I work in radio, and I guess

1008
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: people would say right wing radio one level or another.

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00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of this guy before. So to me,

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00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's one thing when you find like Alex

1011
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: Jones and try to say that he's representative of those

1012
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: on the right. And I mean, at least the guy

1013
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: does have a following. As as as crazy and irresponsible

1014
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: as he is, he does have a following. I've never

1015
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: even heard of Bob Romenick. No, I've never heard of

1016
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: this guy at all. I don't think anybody had heard

1017
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: of him much. I mean, this is a guy that

1018
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: literally the Washington Post made him famous, uh may him

1019
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: famous as playing what some kind of role uh in

1020
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: this Bernie Sanders supporter's life, and there was no evidence

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01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: that he did. I mean, David, you you know a

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01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: lot of liberals. I know a lot of liberals. We

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01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: hang out with liberals all the time. What do you

1024
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: think the discussion is like in the Washington Post editorial

1025
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: uh conference room, when they're like, yeah, I got an idea.

1026
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the left wing. Bernie Sanders attempted mass

1027
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: assassination through the lens of an obscure right wing talk

1028
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: host who we can't prove had any connection to anything whatsoever.

1029
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you think they do this

1030
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: knowing that it's a distraction and that it just appeals

1031
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: to the base, or do you think that the folks

1032
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: over the Washington Post are are diluted in some way

1033
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: and think that this is a valid connection to draw

1034
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: or a combination. I would go more with the deluded,

1035
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: but with with some degree of combination maybe. I mean

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01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: you know this. I mean, you've talked to people on

1037
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: the left who are absolutely totally condensed that right right

1038
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: in conservative talk radio has made America into a tinder box,

1039
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: that Americans are just ready to explode at the drop

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01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: of a hat because of conservative talk radio. I mean,

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01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: this is an article of faith. I mean I've I've

1042
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: had people talk to me as if you know, Rush

1043
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: Limbaugh is about to acid inside a rebellion. I mean,

1044
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: it really is amazing the sort of way in which

1045
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: people view conservative talk radio, view Fox News and this

1046
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: ideological bubble, and so you know the way they go,

1047
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: and they it's an article of faith that this kind

1048
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: of discourse leads to violence in spite of lack of evidence,

1049
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: and and so you know, I think part of it

1050
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: is this, there's just this article of faith that right

1051
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: wing communication leads to violence, that conserve angry conservatism leads

1052
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: to violence, and you're gonna try to jam a square

1053
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: peg into a round hole. Well, you're familiar with with

1054
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: with gas lighting, right where you say something that and

1055
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: the left loves it, loves its throw this out there. Uh,

1056
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: and some of their terms are kind of used like

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Speaker 1: normal normalizing has now been a fun term to appropriate

1058
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Speaker 1: for conservative causes. Uh. Good gas lighting isn't is another one?

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Speaker 1: I think that what we've seen, whether it's The Nation

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Speaker 1: talking about how the right and you point this out

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Speaker 1: in your peace on National Review and if everyone listening,

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Speaker 1: we're speaking to David French of National Review. Uh that

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Speaker 1: saying that the saying after an attempted mass assassination of

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Speaker 1: Republican congressman by a left by a clear left wing zealot,

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Speaker 1: that the right has a monopoly on political violence is

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Speaker 1: the journalistic equivalent of gas lighting the right. I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's we're saying something that's so outrageous, it's so

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Speaker 1: crazy that it has to be intentional, it's meant to

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Speaker 1: be offensive. Well, yeah, that makes it. That makes an

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Speaker 1: article I put in a different categories from the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post article. I mean the Nation article even went so

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Speaker 1: far is to essentially call which the hottest violence is

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Speaker 1: conservative violence because it's coming from a more conservative wing

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Speaker 1: of Islam, which you just couldn't even translate those terms

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Speaker 1: that to domestic political arguments when you're talking about gehotism.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it was crazy. So you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think on the Nation it was just deliberately avoiding

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Speaker 1: contrary facts for the sake of creating right wing boogeyman.

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Speaker 1: And that's not to say that there aren't you know,

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Speaker 1: there isn't some right wing violence out there. There's a

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Speaker 1: problem amount of white supremacist violence, and that's sort of

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Speaker 1: been something that's troubled America for a long time. But

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Speaker 1: that's nothing to do with the mainstream of the GOP,

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Speaker 1: nothing at all. And and so there's just this continual

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Speaker 1: effort to pull violent assign responsibility for violent actions with

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Speaker 1: mainstream Goop discourse or with mainstream or you know, even

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Speaker 1: sort of ray angry radio discourse, and there's no evidence

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Speaker 1: to support it. Instead, they should have looked and face

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Speaker 1: the facts of this actual hoodo and then analyze what

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Speaker 1: happened with this actual fudo. How how held is that

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Speaker 1: for everyone listening to give you a definition of gas

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Speaker 1: letting the term I used, it's manipulating somebody if you

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Speaker 1: just throw it on Google, Manipulating somebody by cycolo logical

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Speaker 1: means into questioning their own sanity. So if any of

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Speaker 1: you ever had an older sibling who would like punch

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Speaker 1: you in the arm and then say I didn't punch you,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of like gaslighting. I mean, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: and it can be much more insidious than that. But

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Speaker 1: it's it's when something is very clear but someone saying you,

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Speaker 1: oh no, that's not what's happening, and clearly when the

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Speaker 1: left is righting that the the right has a monopoly

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Speaker 1: and political violence. After what we've been discussing, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think gas lighting is an appropriate term, David. I

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Speaker 1: wanted your take on because you know you're you're fair

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Speaker 1: minded but not uh, you're fair minded and not afraid

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Speaker 1: to say both when you think that the Trumpers are

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Speaker 1: getting themselves into some trouble as well as when people

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Speaker 1: are making way too much out of it and being

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Speaker 1: unfair to to the Trump side. What do you make

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Speaker 1: of the Russia meetings or the Russia meeting I should

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Speaker 1: say strange? Strange, Like I can't figure out what this

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Speaker 1: story is out we talked about, Uh, it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: much sense to me. I feel like I'm left with

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Speaker 1: just needing more information. Was it actually true that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump Junior was going to be with the Russian on

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Speaker 1: the grounds that, uh, he thought that that Russian had

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Speaker 1: damaging information on Hillary Clinton and then kind of thought

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Speaker 1: it was a nothing burn because she didn't that. I

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Speaker 1: let me just put it this way, I read that article,

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Speaker 1: and I think the first thing that comes to my

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Speaker 1: mind is I need more detail, I need more con Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's it's funny. That's what I was saying at the

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Speaker 1: start of the show. I was I like to try

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Speaker 1: to give an insightful conclusion about these things, or at

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Speaker 1: least in some insightful analysis, And on this one, I

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Speaker 1: feel the same way. I feel like there's there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of unanswered because the initial story about how it

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Speaker 1: was all about adoption then transitioned and uh into its

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Speaker 1: There maybe was some effort by people tied to an

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Speaker 1: oppo research firm to run this woman as a disinformation

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Speaker 1: operation of some kind. To that. I mean, you saw that,

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Speaker 1: and I think Ryan's previous himself was saying that, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no there's no and I apologize for the sound

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Speaker 1: of a bird I mean in California right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but there was the information is all over the place

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Speaker 1: about this um and so you know, with so many

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Speaker 1: issues with the Russian investigation, what you end up with

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Speaker 1: it that filters out into the public square. You feel

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Speaker 1: like you're sort of the proverbial blind man feeling parts

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Speaker 1: of the elephant, and then you're you don't know the

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Speaker 1: full picture of what you're what you're grasping. You don't

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Speaker 1: even know really substantially part of it, what part of

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Speaker 1: it even is. And yet then you're beginning, you're asked

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Speaker 1: to sort of opine on the whole thing. And and

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Speaker 1: that's where we've been for months and months and months

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Speaker 1: on this. I will say that nothing about meeting with

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Speaker 1: a Russian uh in an effort to gain damaging information

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Speaker 1: on an American political candidate sits well with me. But

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Speaker 1: I don't have any greater nothing illegal about it either, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that you're I mean nothing that we know

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Speaker 1: of that would be illegal. No, nothing, I I can't

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Speaker 1: I can't think of a statute that's violated there. Um,

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Speaker 1: it seems odd that you would have with a random

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Speaker 1: Russian lawyer who claims that to have that that serious

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Speaker 1: of campaign firepower being brought into that kind of meeting,

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Speaker 1: it seems a little bit weird. But again you're just

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Speaker 1: scored as taking stabs in the dark. We don't have contexts,

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Speaker 1: we don't have enough information, fair enough, David French everybody.

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Speaker 1: National Review is where he writes. He's a senior writer

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Speaker 1: over there. Check out his latest nahview dot com. David

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Speaker 1: always appreciate the time, sir, have a good one. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. I appreciate it. Uh eight

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Speaker 1: four four D two eight to five. Is Western civilization

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Speaker 1: something that we aren't allowed to talk about anymore? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're going to hear, of course, but is

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Speaker 1: this now a topic that is supposed to be the

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Speaker 1: province of of the alts? Right, It's a crazy question,

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Speaker 1: but it's one that maybe we have to ask, just

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Speaker 1: because the left is making that case pretty openly. Now, uh,

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Speaker 1: we we have to address this. They like to pose, uh,

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Speaker 1: they like they like to position themselves as people who

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Speaker 1: will call out those who defend Western civilization. Now I

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Speaker 1: am I have to say, I am somewhat flabbergasted by this,

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Speaker 1: but it is true, and so we should discuss and

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Speaker 1: we will right after the break and leftist political circles

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Speaker 1: these days, to look for nuance and to explain and

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Speaker 1: to extrapolate on to pull apart all the different meanings, flavors,

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Speaker 1: iterations of jihad. Right, most of us here ghad and

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Speaker 1: we're like, oh, you mean, like the Holy war? That

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Speaker 1: is an obligate, that is an obligation for Muslims. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's and then and then you'll have someone who will

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Speaker 1: show up invariably UH and we'll tell you, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: that's a terrible um, that's a terrible version of what

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Speaker 1: jihad is. That's not true. You're wrong. And for you

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Speaker 1: to say that, you're probably an Orientalist, which is a

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Speaker 1: term that is still sometimes used for people that other

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Speaker 1: other Eise those from the Middle East and from well

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Speaker 1: the not West Orientalism. Also that the title of a

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Speaker 1: book written by Edward said, a very well known academic

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Speaker 1: I think he taught ut clumb University, well known academic

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Speaker 1: that is beloved by he passed away some years ago,

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Speaker 1: beloved by Middle Eastern studies departments across the country. But

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Speaker 1: if you want to book about how institutions, particularly the

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Speaker 1: university campuses and even the US government have a a

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Speaker 1: propensity for experts who are favorable towards uh Islam, who

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Speaker 1: cover the region, even at the e spense sometimes of

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Speaker 1: well what I think would be good sense and US interests.

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Speaker 1: You can read a book called The Arabists, which I

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Speaker 1: would I would recommend you actually have it at home

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Speaker 1: on my shelf, and it explains to you how well

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Speaker 1: people that go through the Middle East and studies departments

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Speaker 1: and universities and then work in government on the Middle

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Speaker 1: East tend to have a certain view and I know,

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Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily reflected at the very top level

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Speaker 1: because of course as a very pro Israeli policy that

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Speaker 1: is largely bipartisan. Um. You look at the obaministration. Obama

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Speaker 1: clearly didn't particularly like Israel, but there was still the

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Speaker 1: there's still the foreign aid to Israel, and the relationship

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Speaker 1: was strong. It just wasn't as strong. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: US is a relationship is very strong. The Obama Net

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Speaker 1: and Yahoo, the Obama is a relation of that was

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Speaker 1: not very strong at all. Um. But anyway, I Linda Sarsore,

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Speaker 1: that's how I got on this who I'm I'm reading

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Speaker 1: more and more about these days. I try to avoid

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Speaker 1: spending too much time on the CARE spokespersons. And it's

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Speaker 1: just it's always the same routine, right, It's a lot

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Speaker 1: of woe is us. We're so victimized, America is so discriminated,

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Speaker 1: discriminatory towards US and uh and then after a terrorist attack,

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Speaker 1: they'll trot out somebody from CARE or you know, a

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Speaker 1: Linda Star sort type will say that you know, this

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Islam, and if you say

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Speaker 1: it does, you're bigoted. And oh, by the way, the

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Speaker 1: biggest threat we face is Islamophobia, not terrorism. And but

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Speaker 1: then occasionally they'll get a little tripped up. This happens

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Speaker 1: with CARE, which is the Council on Arab Islamic sorry,

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Speaker 1: on American Islamic Relations, And occasionally'll get a little tripped up,

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Speaker 1: and they'll have someone on who when asked, you know,

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Speaker 1: should it be should it be illegal to criticize Islam?

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Speaker 1: Should it be illegal to depict the profit, They'll say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's we should all be respectful of each other.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it crosses a line into uh, into defamation

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Speaker 1: of religion or something, and you're like, well, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What was that spokesperson for who's who's a

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Speaker 1: leftist and a Democrat supporter and speaks for the Islamic

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Speaker 1: community in some capacity in this country? Do you want

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Speaker 1: to repeat that one? Go back and look at some

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Speaker 1: of the exchanges over uh the Danish cartoons, for example,

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Speaker 1: and you can see which was what back in twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: I think, And you can see that there were people

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Speaker 1: who were claiming to speak for the American Islamic community,

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Speaker 1: and they would saying, well, you know that we we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't those cartoons that should be condemned. Oh okay, that's interesting,

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Speaker 1: But Sar Sore said that there should be Gee how

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Speaker 1: she also said, and I played the audio for you

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Speaker 1: last week or I read it to you, I can't

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Speaker 1: remember now that there should be no assimilation of Muslims

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Speaker 1: in this country, that that's not the goal, to assimilate

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Speaker 1: to Western culture. I forget the specifics. And the left

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Speaker 1: has rushed to defend its spasually the comment about jihad,

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Speaker 1: about how they need to be there needs to be

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Speaker 1: a jihad right now in the era of Trump, because

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Speaker 1: they play this game of oh well, jihad means striving,

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Speaker 1: it means internal struggle. Look, I took a lot of

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Speaker 1: these Middle Eastern studies classes back in college. I remember.

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Speaker 1: I know the whole I know the whole song and

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Speaker 1: dance that the professors give you. All this stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: quite familiar. And let me tell you something. All right,

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Speaker 1: if you show up in uh, I don't know. You

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Speaker 1: go go walk around the streets of Uh in the

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Speaker 1: West Bank, or or show up in in Pakistan, pretty

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Speaker 1: much anywhere and just be like, hey, what does jihad

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Speaker 1: mean to you? And I think you will more often

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Speaker 1: or what is jihad? First and foremost? And you know

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Speaker 1: some people, and maybe if you ask a scholar you'll

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Speaker 1: get some answer about how it's internal striving for perfection

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Speaker 1: in in the mold of of God's image or whatever

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Speaker 1: in Allah. But if you just ask somebody what is jihad,

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Speaker 1: I think you'd probably here that's holy war. And if

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Speaker 1: you ask the people that are blowing themselves up, or

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Speaker 1: rather if you just look at their videos, because it's

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Speaker 1: tough to ask them obviously after they've blown themselves up.

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Speaker 1: If you look at their videos, their modern videos beforehand,

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Speaker 1: or if you look at their the way they describe themselves,

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about jihad. So it's fascinating that

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Speaker 1: there seems to be outside of the US so much

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Speaker 1: confusion in the Muslim community about what this term really means,

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Speaker 1: or at least that's what we're told here by people

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Speaker 1: who are I should note, self appointed spokespersons for. And

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Speaker 1: I think that it's not just within the Islamic community

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Speaker 1: that the self appointed spokespersons for various identity groups tend

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Speaker 1: to be very unsavory characters. That's not just within that's

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Speaker 1: not just the Counsel on American Islamic Relations. That has

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Speaker 1: not just shady time eyes, but shady positions as well.

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Speaker 1: In public, you'll have other people that are speaking for

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Speaker 1: a community. And you know, I saw this even with

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Speaker 1: for example, of Black Lives Matter and speaking for and

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Speaker 1: trying to say that they were at the vanguard of

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Speaker 1: police reform. No, there are a lot of people working

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Speaker 1: very hard and police reform and nothing to Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter and reforming incarceration and dealing with police brutality incidents. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't seed that ground. I don't think

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Speaker 1: we should see that ground to the protesters of of

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter, but sarsore and jihad, that gets a

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Speaker 1: lot of, as I said, nuanced treatment. There's an analysis

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Speaker 1: done of that that would be uh welcome on any

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Speaker 1: college campus. You know Resa Oslon formerly of CNN and

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Speaker 1: some before they booted him and some other people saying

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Speaker 1: that jihad is not war? What about Western civilization? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I meant to pull this clip before I know this

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Speaker 1: is from our last kind of ties, our last segment.

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Speaker 1: But here here's what I mean. Here's uh, CNN White

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Speaker 1: House correspondent talking about Trump speech. Play at please, but

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Speaker 1: this is not a speech he could have given really

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Speaker 1: any place styles and this is a white, um America

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Speaker 1: America first kind of speech. He was offering a very

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Speaker 1: stark view actually about um, you know, the um about migration,

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Speaker 1: about immigration, without other things. It was very It wasn't

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Speaker 1: a modern day speech, if you will. It was sort

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Speaker 1: of a throwback speech, but he was offering a sense that,

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Speaker 1: you know, be afraid of what is happening in the world.

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Speaker 1: A white America America first kind of speech. Um, that's

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Speaker 1: not That's not what I got from it. But interesting,

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Speaker 1: that's a CNN A senior senior CNN reporter thinks so.

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Speaker 1: And also you had a former Obama advisers say that

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Speaker 1: you had a dark view of a clash of civilizations.

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Speaker 1: The President's comment about the West and our ability to

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Speaker 1: stand up to this challenge. I think some people are

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Speaker 1: wondering how we in the US under President Trump are

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Speaker 1: defining that West. You see, what this really is is

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Speaker 1: that what Western civilization has ceased to be because Trump

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Speaker 1: is president. That that's what summon the press belief or

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Speaker 1: you can't define what it is you can't know what

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Speaker 1: it is under a President Trump because it's not possible,

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Speaker 1: because I guess they realized that he's the leader of

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Speaker 1: the free world. And oh my gosh, that means that

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Speaker 1: Trump is the leader of Western civilization right now, everybody,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's true. Okay. So I said, I'll

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Speaker 1: give you a couple of updates on some new stories.

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Speaker 1: First one, I thought this was fascinating. New York Times

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Speaker 1: has said that blaming Sarah blaming Sarah Palin in an

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Speaker 1: editorial after the Steve Scalise shooting, when it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: Steve police obviously others were shot as well, but Scalise

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Speaker 1: was the one who was in the most dire condition afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Uh six, Yeah, Steve Scalise shooting. Um. The New York

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Speaker 1: Times editorial saying that there was a quote direct link

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Speaker 1: between Palin's ads and the shooting by Jared Lee Loftner.

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Speaker 1: So Palin is suing the New York Times because that's

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Speaker 1: grotesque and completely demonstrably false. Oh, by the way, don't

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Speaker 1: you notice a pattern here? So The New York Times

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Speaker 1: writes this about Sarah Palin, which is clearly just it's

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Speaker 1: it's ludicrous and demonstrably false, and I would argue malicious.

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Speaker 1: I think it actually does meet the standard for uh,

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Speaker 1: for libel. I remember slander is spoken, libel is written.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't remind myself. Uh. But the other part of

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Speaker 1: that we mentioned with David French before they had that

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Speaker 1: that article about the right wing talk show guy that

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Speaker 1: no one's ever heard of before, who maybe maybe was

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Speaker 1: the one who incited Hodgkinson. So they make these mistakes,

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Speaker 1: they come to these completely bizarre conclusions in a politicized fashion,

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Speaker 1: just as they do with Trump over and over again. Son,

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Speaker 1: I think that the New York Times maybe in some

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Speaker 1: financial financial trouble here because it's saying that this was

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Speaker 1: an honest mistake a New York Times editorial. It's gone

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01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: through how many layers of you, how many people have

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Speaker 1: read it. No one thought that maybe they should just check,

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Speaker 1: just just run a quick Google search on whether Sarah

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Speaker 1: Palin did Sarah Palin was a quote direct link a

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Speaker 1: direct link. I mean, if the New York Times can

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Speaker 1: get away with this, they can get away with saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, so and so an unindicted co conspirator with

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Speaker 1: that mass murderer guy, and then they go, oh no, sorry,

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Speaker 1: there was no connection. But like we just totes are bad,

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Speaker 1: might might be my bad. You know, it just happens.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think the times it's gonna just be

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Speaker 1: able to walk away from that one quite as easily.

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Speaker 1: But another story I wanted to get to here. I've

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Speaker 1: been talking to you about Charlie Guard, the eleven month

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Speaker 1: old who was denied the right by the British government

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Speaker 1: to travel to the United States for experimental treatment for

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Speaker 1: his very rare and life threatening disea, and the European

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Speaker 1: Court of Human Rights ruled on this back in June

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Speaker 1: late June, saying that that the baby or the eleven

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Speaker 1: month old should be pulled off of child support, I

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Speaker 1: mean sorry, pulled off of life support. And it seems

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Speaker 1: that there has been a change. Kanye yates guards mother

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Speaker 1: told BBC Monday that their words turned it into an

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Speaker 1: international issue. Um, there are a lot of people were

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Speaker 1: outraged about what is going on and Britain's High Court

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Speaker 1: will hear the case in light of claims of new

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Speaker 1: evidence from the Vatican's Children's Hospital and doctors. Doctors still

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Speaker 1: at that her hospital is saying that the treatment is

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Speaker 1: unjustified but there this is still there's still uh, there's

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Speaker 1: still a fighting chance everybody. So young Charlie Guard might

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Speaker 1: have the right, well he certainly has the right, but

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Speaker 1: he might be allowed right that's the that's the problem

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Speaker 1: with the British government, or might be allowed to seek treatment.

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Speaker 1: So they have a couple of days to turn over

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Speaker 1: medical evidence um that they have claimed as a chance

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Speaker 1: of improving, although not curing Charlie's condition according to USA Today. UM.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you never know with these things and

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Speaker 1: the outcry. I mean, I know there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff we talked about, and there's media gets involved in

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, there's a lot of voices

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Speaker 1: weighing in on social media everywhere else. But because of

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Speaker 1: the international outcry over Charlie Guard, at least there is

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Speaker 1: a chance. So life has a chance here this this

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Speaker 1: child and his parents, um will have a we'll have

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Speaker 1: a shot. And that that's meaningful. And it's because of

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Speaker 1: people like you who paid attention to raise their voices

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Speaker 1: on this. We've got much more. Ben Shapiro joining us

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Speaker 1: in a few stay with me, Welcome back everyone. We

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Speaker 1: have been talking about healthcare a lot here on the show.

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Speaker 1: And we're joined now by a healthcare expert to bring

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Speaker 1: us up to speed on where everything stands. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we have Dr Scott Atlas online. He is a senior

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Speaker 1: Fellow at the Hoover Institution. His latest piece on Fox

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Speaker 1: news dot com healthcare and health insurance are not the

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Speaker 1: same thing, the fundamental disconnect and healthcare form. Dr Atlas,

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Speaker 1: Great to have you, Okay, thanks for being thanks thanks

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Speaker 1: for inviting me. By the way, this is a point

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Speaker 1: that I make frequently here in the place we call

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Speaker 1: the freedom hunt, which is that you can have a

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Speaker 1: piece of paper that says you're you have some form

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Speaker 1: of insurance. But that doesn't mean and I know that

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Speaker 1: there are government offices and political folks who will say

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Speaker 1: that that then essentially mission accomplished. But that's just really

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Speaker 1: the beginning, isn't it. Well, it's not. It shouldn't even

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Speaker 1: be the goal really, I mean, the goal is to

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Speaker 1: have people have affordable healthcare, and labeling someone as insured

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Speaker 1: that does not necessarily accomplish that. Call. Uh so what

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Speaker 1: do we have to do then? I mean you're talking you.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned in your piece on Fox News the fundamental

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Speaker 1: disconnect in healthcare reform? How do we connect it well.

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Speaker 1: Then the disconnect is that the people doing the reforms

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Speaker 1: think that the the primary goal is to give people

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Speaker 1: money or get people to be able to afford health insurance,

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Speaker 1: and the real primary goal is to reduce the cost

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Speaker 1: of medical care itself. And in that way, secondarily, the

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Speaker 1: cost of insurance come down UH and people are able

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Speaker 1: to afford quality medical care when you do things like

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Speaker 1: the reform plans UH being proposed right now. Although it's

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Speaker 1: true that there are some elements that are good H,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the problem is that they're trying to

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Speaker 1: supplement people's ability to buy insurance in its current form

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Speaker 1: instead of incentivizing competition in the markets and transparency and

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Speaker 1: in getting people to care what healthcare costs. And if

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Speaker 1: they do care what healthcare costs, consumers, they will shop

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Speaker 1: around and make decisions based on value, including based on price.

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Speaker 1: Our current system basically minimizes your out of pocket payments

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Speaker 1: with either relatively low deductibles UH and low co payments,

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Speaker 1: so it's like someone else's paying, so why would you

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Speaker 1: care what it costs? And I think part of the

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Speaker 1: problem here is that politically, definitely the Democrats and a

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Speaker 1: lot of Republicans a lot of the Republican party to

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Speaker 1: have signed on for this idea, that that the government

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Speaker 1: has a responsibility to provide people either just with health

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Speaker 1: insurance full stop or at least with UH subsidies and

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Speaker 1: and with help to get health insurance as opposed to

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about, which is actually making health care

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Speaker 1: itself more affordable. But I feel like politically, people just

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Speaker 1: they want to say people, I mean a large portion

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Speaker 1: of the country large enough to prevent meaningful healthcare reform,

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Speaker 1: would either not be accountable for healthcare decisions. They just

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Speaker 1: rather have somebody else handle it and somebody else for

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Speaker 1: the bill. Well, I think there certainly is a segment

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Speaker 1: of the population that is like that. But I think

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Speaker 1: that that part of the problem here, if you really

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Speaker 1: want to get to the root of this, is that

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest things that Republicans have failed at

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Speaker 1: is educating the public about why their ideas of health

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Speaker 1: reform are better than what we have now under the

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Speaker 1: Obamacare law. Instead, they Republicans are spending their time, which

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Speaker 1: is necessary UH, putting together a bill. But meantime, consumers

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Speaker 1: Americans are inundated with a single view of this, and

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Speaker 1: that is that something is being taken away from them,

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Speaker 1: and it's actually quite the opposite. With the reforms that

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Speaker 1: should be done, and some of which are being proposed

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Speaker 1: in both the House and sented versions of these proposals.

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Speaker 1: With those reforms, people will get better access to care

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Speaker 1: at lower costs. But that that kind of argument is

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Speaker 1: not really being made to the public. Speaking to Dr

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Speaker 1: Scott Atlas, he's a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the Senate g LP is saying they might

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Speaker 1: get a revised version of the healthcare bill at the

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Speaker 1: end of the week. Let me first ask you, you're

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Speaker 1: somebody who is advocating for a more free market approach

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Speaker 1: to healthcare in this country. What do you think of

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Speaker 1: the Senate healthcare Bill as we've seen it thus far? Well.

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Speaker 1: I think the Senate's bill and the Houses bill actually

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Speaker 1: have some good things. There's no question that there certain

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Speaker 1: reforms are good, including increasing the size of health savings accounts,

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01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: which aren't for everyone necessarily in terms of a panacea,

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01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 1: but they do allow people facilitate the idea that you

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Speaker 1: actually have money you're spending directly, and therefore you will

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Speaker 1: care what it costs. And there are getting rid of

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Speaker 1: some of the regulatory kind of entaglements of Obamacare that

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Speaker 1: that actually caused higher prices to people. So they have

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Speaker 1: to get rid of those harmful regulations in some of

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Speaker 1: the taxes that were instituted. And I think both of

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Speaker 1: these bills, the House and the Senate go partly towards that.

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Speaker 1: The problem that the bills UH have is that they

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Speaker 1: rely on something called a refundable tax credit, which is basically,

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Speaker 1: instead of focusing like a laser, as they like to say,

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Speaker 1: on getting a competition in the market and getting the

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01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 1: cost of healthcare to come down, they're propagating the prices

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Speaker 1: of healthcare by giving people money to buy health insurance

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Speaker 1: that is overbloaded with mandates and UH too expensive, and

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Speaker 1: including the regulations of having, you know, minimizing out of

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Speaker 1: pocket care. So they need to go further on that.

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Speaker 1: But what they're proposing is better, certainly better there is

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Speaker 1: unquestionably better than what we have right now under Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: If you could add one thing to what the Senate

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01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: bill has already done, UH, if you could just write

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Speaker 1: on anything you want, dr Atlas, what would it be. Well,

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01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't give tax credits. I would focus on

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01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: getting uh much more competition in the marketplace and getting

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01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: people to getting everyone to be able to have health

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01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: savings accounts first of all, including Medicare. You want to

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01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: have all consumers of healthcare care about what things cost.

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01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: In seniors, of course, which our Medicare patients spend more

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01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: money on healthcare than anybody else, so you wouldn't want

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01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: to exclude them. You want to include health savings accounts

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Speaker 1: for them, and you want to make Medicaid and Medicare

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01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: open to private insurance options. There's no reason why we

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01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: should propagate a system for poor people under Medicaid where

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01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: they have a parallel, substandard health system. Yes, we want

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01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 1: to help poor people get be able to afford medical care,

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01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: but let's move them into the same medical care system

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01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: that we, as non poor people have. We don't want

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01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: to propagate a failing program like Medicaid in its in

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01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: its conventional sense that we have right now. So I

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01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: would do those those things I would make. The goal

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01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 1: here to me is to get everybody to have access

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Speaker 1: to the world's best health care system, which is the

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01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: United States. That's the world's best medical care and we

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01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: want to do that by increasing the market mechanisms that

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Speaker 1: reduce costs and increase quality, just like they do with

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01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: every other good or service in the United States. Dr

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Speaker 1: Scott Atlas of the Hoover Institution, great to have you

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Speaker 1: on the show, so thank you for joining us. Cheer,

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01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: thank you. Team. Coming up here in just a few minutes,

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01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: we have a friend, Ben Shapiro, who's going to be

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01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: lightening up on all the biggest news items of the

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01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 1: day and more. He's, of course, the editor chief of

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01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: the Daily Wire. We'll be talking to Ben about everything

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01:29:55,600 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. To stay with it, Welcome back, everybody.

1537
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: It's time for some Ben Shapiro. He is editor in

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01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: chief of Daily Wire dot com, syndicated columnist, host of

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01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 1: The Ben Shapiro Show. He writes a National review as well.

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01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about. Ben. Thanks so

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01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: much for joining the show again. Hey, how are you

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01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: doing all right? For first the Russia thing? I just

1543
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: want your your reaction to the meeting with this lady

1544
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Is this something or is this nothing?

1545
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: So everyone stupid? As always, my commentary begins with that preface. Um,

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01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: you know I think that the it's something for Trump Jnr.

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01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,600
Speaker 1: It's something for Maniport, it's something for Kushner. I'm not

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01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: sure that it's anything beyond that, meaning that if somebody

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Speaker 1: neither are the three top campaign officials at least to

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01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: the three top campaign officials in the Trump campaign at

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01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: the time, and they're all in a meeting with one

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01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: person who they say was a big nothing, but nobody

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01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: had any clue who this person was. I don't believe

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01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: that story. I think that if some randall walked in

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01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: out of the street and said I'd like to have

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01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: a meeting with Kushner, Manafort, and Trump Junior, he'd be

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01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: thrown out. So clearly somebody had said this person is

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01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: plausible and has information about Hillary Clinton. Trump Junior said

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01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: that that was the enticement to go to the meeting,

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01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: is that this person had information about Hillary Clinton. H

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01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 1: If the person had no bona fide s other than

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01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I know somebody who was associated with someone from the

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01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: two third team Miss Universe contest, that's not really a

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01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: very strong pitch. So I think there's more of that story.

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01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 1: But the media have jumped to this means that there

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01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: was overt Trump Russia collusion, that information passed hands, that

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01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: there was actual planning and involvement, and there I see

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01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: no evidence of anything. I mean, the fact is that

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01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: Trump Junior says, and so does everybody else with the meeting,

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01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 1: that nothing happened, that there's no actual information, nothing actually

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01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: got passed. Um. You know, So the media's attempt to

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Speaker 1: turn this into sort of the first step in this

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01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: broad plan of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia. I

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01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: don't see that without a second step. Otherwise it just

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01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: looks like an isolated stupidity from Trump Junior. Do you

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01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: do you buy any of this that that it was

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01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: a what we would call a dangle uh in a

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Speaker 1: intel speak, somebody who was who was sent specifically for

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01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: the purpose of putting out disinformation, because I seem to

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01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: see that was at least some people were offering that up.

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01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: So so this this lawyer miss I'm gonna get her name, roy,

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01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: I can't remember where it is right now, but whatever,

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01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: this Russian, this Russian lawyer lady is sent specifically to yeah,

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01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: the vessel knit Sky and the tell you vel that

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Speaker 1: she sent just to be there. Essentially that that the

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Speaker 1: whole purpose of her getting the meeting was to get

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Speaker 1: the meeting so that later on they could say, see

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01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 1: he's meeting with the Russians. That that doesn't seem to

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01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: make sense to me either, that that that doesn't watch

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01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 1: him me at all. That was Ryan's previous excuse yesterday

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01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:44,719
Speaker 1: on TV and it was put out there by Circa

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01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: and I don't buy that. And there I don't buy

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01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: that is because there's no payoffs. If you want to

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01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: actually hurt Trump, you assume they would have dumped that

1595
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: before the election, or if you want to really hurt

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01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: let me do it after the election. Right, why don't

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01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: you dump that now or dumped that six months ago,

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01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: like right after his inauguration, So it's none of the

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01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: story washes. As always with with Team Trump, I am

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01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: tempted to always attribute action to stupidity rather than malice.

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01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go stupidity rather than malice here. I

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01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,879
Speaker 1: think the only person in that room, you know, Kushner

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01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Trump junior Maniport, who I would be comfortable attributing malice

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01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: to his maniphort, just because he has long standing documented

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01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: ties with the Russian government in Ukrainians. But um, you

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01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: know again, there's been nothing proved there, so I don't know,

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01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, what we're supposed to say, other than show

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01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 1: me the evidence. And uh, what do you think about

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01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 1: the latest on the COMI memos. Here people are saying

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01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 1: that there were some classified information contained in the memos.

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01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily mean that he leaked classified information

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01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: or does it? What do you think? No, it doesn't.

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01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think again, everybody's temptation is to

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01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: jump too far. So there's classified information to memos, that

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01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,560
Speaker 1: means that he has to be careful about who he

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01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: shows them too. Uh, they were judged by the fidity

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01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: government documents. That's the second issue, right, which goes to

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01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: his employments agreement that you're not allowed to take government

1619
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: documents and reveal them to anybody. But um, as far

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01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: as classified information, no, I don't think that the evidence

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01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: is I don't think the evidence is totally incomplete that

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01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: that he was spreading classified information and violation of law.

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01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a smart enough guy, I think

1624
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: to know that he doesn't want to get caught up

1625
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: in that. I mean, he had just finished investigating Hillary

1626
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 1: Clinton's Yeah, I I can't imagine for a second that

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01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 1: he's actually given classified information in written form to people

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01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: and going out there and saying, oh, yeah, I gave

1629
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: this to my friend a leak to the press, and

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01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: it was class So just because there was information in

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01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: some memos, if he had totally unclassified memos and handed

1632
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: those to somebody to give to the press, that maybe,

1633
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: as you point out, a violation of z FBI agreement,

1634
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: but that is not necessarily a problem for him from

1635
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 1: a Criminal Espionage Act standpoint exactly. So again I think

1636
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: that everyone wants to jump one step too far in

1637
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,719
Speaker 1: order to defend their side. But again I had bote

1638
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: both these stories to Comey story and the Trump Junior story.

1639
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: I just there's not enough there for us to actually

1640
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: make some sort of hard task call. I think. Speaking

1641
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: of Ben Shapiro, he's an editor in chief of Daily

1642
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,679
Speaker 1: Wire dot com and also you can hear his latest

1643
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: on The Ben Shapiro Show. Ben, what do you make

1644
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: of the current situation the Republicans find themselves in when

1645
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 1: it comes to healthcare? I mean, I think that the

1646
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: biggest problem here is that Republicans for a very very

1647
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: long time have been lying about what their actual principles

1648
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: were on healthcare. So it's easy to oppose Obama, but

1649
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: they never held any principles in common on healthcare. So

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01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: he had President Trump spend the entire election cycle saying

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01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: that he wanted to repeal Obamacare, but he didn't actually

1652
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: agree with any of the basic principles of repealing Obamacare.

1653
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: He still wanted pre existing conditions, he still wanted everybody covered,

1654
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: He still wanted to make sure that that the that

1655
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: the federal government was picked up the tab for a

1656
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,560
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff. So you know, when when you

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01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 1: say that you want to repeal and replace something and

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01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: then you replace it with what you're repealing, I failed

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01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 1: to see how exactly that's a big win. Meanwhile, the

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01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: Republican caucus is so fractured, instead of just coming around

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01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: together and saying, Okay, we're gonna repeal, then will figure

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01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 1: out replace, by campaigning on repeal and replace, which is

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01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: some thing that it was a formulation has come up

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01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: with with by Brand Paul and by President Trump camp

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01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: ending on that they basically sure they're not even gonna

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01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,560
Speaker 1: be forced to repeal. They can just come up with

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01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 1: either some very weak plan and try and ram it through,

1668
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 1: or they can do nothing, and those of those seem

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01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 1: to be their two choices. Where do you think that

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01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 1: Trump agenda stands right? Now when it comes to uh,

1671
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: the budget and taxes. By the way, I feel like,

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01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: if we can't get an agreement on healthcare, there's no

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01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: prayer of getting that other stuff done in the next

1674
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 1: few months. It's gonna be very cool because the fact

1675
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 1: is that you need fifty one votes under reconciliation for

1676
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: tax reform, but reconciliation requires that you actually have to

1677
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: get a score from the CBO that shows that you're

1678
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: not increasing the national debt. Well, the entire plan for

1679
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: doing health reform first was that you were going to

1680
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: save a bunch of money on health reform, and then

1681
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: you'd use that money and apply it towards tax reform.

1682
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: If you don't get health reform done, then there is

1683
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 1: no money to be saved on tax reform because the

1684
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: CBO is always going to score a tax decrease as

1685
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: an increase in the deficit, at least in the short terms.

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01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: So then you need sixty votes. Well, the chance of

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01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: them passing a tax reform the sixty votes are now,

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01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 1: So it's it's a mass. I mean, it's a real mass,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how they're going to be able

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Speaker 1: to ram anything through. You know, this is one area

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01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 1: where presidential leadership would be really useful. I mean, on

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Speaker 1: healthcare would be great if, like Lin put this way,

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Speaker 1: there were President Ted Creuse, which of course it isn't,

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Speaker 1: But if we were President Ted Cruz. So I think

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Speaker 1: that the Senate would have repealed the Momacare I do right?

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Speaker 1: Because I think he would have made that his central playing.

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01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 1: I think he would have made that his central goal.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a lot easier of a central

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Speaker 1: goal than replace and repeal and all this nonsense. What

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01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 1: do you say to people who respond, Ben, I'm sure

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01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,839
Speaker 1: you hear this. I'm sure people write this and occasionally

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01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Facebook say nasty things about this, because

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01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: you know that's what happens. Uh. That's well, repeals impossible, Ben,

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01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: Come on, well, I mean I don't understand why repeal

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01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: would be impossible. I mean, you had every Republican in

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01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: the country campaigning on repeal, and all you have to

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01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: do is put it to an upper down vote. But

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01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: the problem is that the President Trump hasn't actually want

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01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 1: to appeal. If you wanted to repeal, he could probably

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01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 1: push for it, but he doesn't want it because he's

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Speaker 1: afraid of the political fallout that will that will occur

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Speaker 1: after the repeal. Look, you're gonna get bad headlines anyway,

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01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,719
Speaker 1: if it's something Republicans have to get over, And honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'm sort of shocked that the President Trump hasn't gotten

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01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: over it because it's not as though the pressents treated

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01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 1: President Trump with any sort of laceness. Obviously, So if

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01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: you're going to get treated badly, amazed, we'll do what

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01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 1: you want to do. But Republicans, I think, are so

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01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: terrified that they're gonna repeal and then a bunch of

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01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: people are gonna get kicked off Medicaid that they're going

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01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 1: to be held responsible for that at the ballot box.

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Speaker 1: That will be a bunch of bad headlines. They failed

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01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: to understand they're gonna get the bad headlines regardless of

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01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:29,879
Speaker 1: what they do. So they can either make the situation

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01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,839
Speaker 1: better and get the bad headlines, or make the situation

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01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: worse and get bad headlines. Last one for you, Ben

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Speaker 1: Chelsea Clinton has said that Donald Trump is giving the

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Speaker 1: country away. Some people, and I know you're up on

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Speaker 1: daily wire dot com with a response to this, have

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Speaker 1: some have some stuff to say about Chelsea Clinton and

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01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: pourning fingers about people giving away the country for cash. Yeah,

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01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean her, she should she should look at her mother.

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Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that it's so irritating

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01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 1: about the Clintons that they just won't go away. And

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01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 1: so Chelsea she said something about how she was upset

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01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 1: that Ivanka. It was all in response to a kind

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01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: of taking Trump seed twenty and Trump tweeted something out

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01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 1: about the Clintons, because Trump's go to a is always

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01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: the Clinton's and then Chelsea tweeted something in response about

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Speaker 1: how my mother never would have relied on me that way. Okay,

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01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:14,679
Speaker 1: it's called the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation. Chelsea

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Speaker 1: didn't get her name on the foundation because of her

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01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: vast qualifications, experience, and accomplishments. So the whole thing is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, I saw a story today

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01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: about a person waking up uh in the in the

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01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: woods with in her her crunching noise. It's herd a

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01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 1: baron was eating his head. And I think that that's

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01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 1: basically the best metaphor I have seen at this point.

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01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: We just keep waking up in a bear's eating our head,

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Speaker 1: all right. Ben Shapiro check his out Check out his

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Speaker 1: latest at The Daily Wire Dot com or, he's editor

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Speaker 1: in chief Ben. Great to have you, sir, Thanks so

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01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 1: much for calling in. Thanks a lot, UH Team, As always,

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01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: thank you so much for hanging out with me in

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01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt. Really good to have you with me here.

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01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 1: Please do download the podcast. Go to Buck Sexton with

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Speaker 1: American Now on iTunes, click subscribe, and UH until tomorrow night,

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Speaker 1: my friend. As always, Shield time