Speaker 1: My name is Clay nukemb And. This is a production
Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
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Speaker 2: The place as we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render.
Speaker 2: We've got quite quite the crew here, quite the crew.
Speaker 2: Got Isaac Neil. It's been a while since Isaac's been here.
Speaker 1: Feels good to see it, feels good, feels good to
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 3: Got the band back together.
Speaker 1: The band's back together. Baron ukombe Be Noswkem Nostril Nukelem
Speaker 1: land Bridge is here, and then most Shepherd is here.
Speaker 4: Oh, glad to be here again. The deer hunter, it's
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 5: Time of year, like when the deer going to ret
Speaker 5: like Moe kind of shows up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shows up the render. Yeah, yeah, you've.
Speaker 3: Got him pattern And then all of a sudden.
Speaker 6: Yeah, his home range gets a lot of range expands
Speaker 6: and I show up places I've never hardy ever show up.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah that's right. Okay, so I was I've been
Speaker 2: talking with the honest tell us. And he has told
Speaker 2: me that I need to be talking about my book more.
Speaker 2: And he's like, and I'm like, every time he says it,
Speaker 2: I say, Jannis, the book doesn't even come out until
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. You know what year it does is
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And he says, doesn't matter. He says,
Speaker 2: talk about it every time you open your mouth between
Speaker 2: now and then. So I'm I'm taking Janice's Joannice's advice.
Speaker 2: Do you see all these books right here from right
Speaker 2: there all the way to way past mo there, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: basically those that's not limited to but every single one
Speaker 2: of those books is pretty much a reference inside of
Speaker 2: the book that I'm writing. Incredible, wow, I mean there's
Speaker 2: a lot of research the book currently.
Speaker 1: So when in the literary.
Speaker 2: World, what you do when you get a book contract
Speaker 2: with a publishing house is that the publishing house immediately
Speaker 2: puts out a news release that says, oh, this person
Speaker 2: is writing a book with this title for us to
Speaker 2: kind of like stake out your territory in case anybody
Speaker 2: else is thinking about it. At least they'll know that
Speaker 2: you're thinking about it too. And so like over two
Speaker 2: years ago. This project, when it comes out in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty seven, well have been going on, I think for
Speaker 2: three and a half years, so behind the scenes, behind
Speaker 2: what you see when you watch the render, when you
Speaker 2: hear Bear Grease, always write as the words that are
Speaker 2: coming out of my mouth just right back here. Not
Speaker 2: so much here or here, but right in here. The
Speaker 2: book is throbbing and has been for years. But we're actually.
Speaker 5: There's a flow of literary, literary creativity right behind.
Speaker 1: I hope that's what they call it.
Speaker 4: You know what you do? You have a title for it?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, American Bear.
Speaker 7: I feel like the longer it goes on, and especially
Speaker 7: if you're talking about it for the next two years,
Speaker 7: you might consider a title change to bear with Me.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's good.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 5: It feels like you've been sitting on that for a while.
Speaker 3: It just came to me that that's actually I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Go subtitle bear with Me. It's been a while.
Speaker 6: I believe me, Isaac. I've known him a lot longer
Speaker 6: than you, and that's true.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, the book is the the biography as never
Speaker 2: before told. And I can say that with like great certainty,
Speaker 2: like there's there's biologists that really know bears. There's anthropologists
Speaker 2: that really know ancient peoples and hunting. There's American historians
Speaker 2: that really know the deer skin trade, like Steve Vanella
Speaker 2: and Randall in the books that I've been a part
Speaker 2: of with them. Even there are modern biologists that understand
Speaker 2: the bear human conflict that's going on in America right now.
Speaker 2: Never before has all that been put together in just
Speaker 2: like a truly wild story. And and and I'll be
Speaker 2: done with the manuscript by February first, so I've got
Speaker 2: three months.
Speaker 1: And so just I mean, like right before we clicked
Speaker 1: through this.
Speaker 4: Dar three books in three months.
Speaker 1: Well it's been a couple of years, and and we've
Speaker 1: only got this far.
Speaker 2: No, No, it actually wasn't anybody's fault that the book,
Speaker 2: the project was extended a year completely because of like
Speaker 2: calendar details and publishing stuff yep, which I'm grateful for.
Speaker 2: Actually today, I would be cool if they were like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to put it off another year.
Speaker 1: You've got a whole another year. I mean, the book
Speaker 1: would be so much better.
Speaker 2: I mean, these people that are writing books like really fast,
Speaker 2: so be honest, that was for you.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: And I told you, honest that, like what if I
Speaker 2: tell everyone all that's in the.
Speaker 1: Book, And he said, you won't just talk about it.
Speaker 1: So so there we go.
Speaker 5: But uh, Joanness Petelius has never steered anyone wrong never.
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever has, yeah at all. Yeah, So, uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's dear week, Deer Central Week, I mean dear time,
Speaker 2: Buck time. It's uh it's November the sixth. As we
Speaker 2: record this, this comes out later, but uh it is.
Speaker 2: That's why mos here and uh bear bears.
Speaker 1: In two days, he's gonna have his annual bar Newcomb
Speaker 1: public Land deer camp.
Speaker 4: Uh bear, beware of bear, be aware of the bear.
Speaker 1: How many people you got coming in for this deer camp? Uh,
Speaker 1: I've kind of lost count.
Speaker 8: But I've got at least twenty five twenty five twenty
Speaker 8: five hunters, Uh probably not probably like twenty hunters.
Speaker 1: But you know everyone goes in.
Speaker 5: Pairs twenty only, Oh they go in pairs.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Because yeah, I've got I've got about twenty really
Speaker 8: good spots. So we're gonna do like a rotation.
Speaker 5: That's impressive that you've got twenty good spots in one location.
Speaker 1: Hey, let me tell you something. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: some good spots.
Speaker 2: If you see bar Newcomb's Ford Ranger pull up in
Speaker 2: your public land spot.
Speaker 1: Deer season, yeah, probably every thing is in trouble. I
Speaker 1: mean everything.
Speaker 3: We're making a population level impact here.
Speaker 1: It's basically, we have deer.
Speaker 8: We have to be nomadic. We've had this camp for
Speaker 8: four years and we go to a different spot.
Speaker 2: Ever, you're like, you're like an ancient sheep grazer that
Speaker 2: just like demolishes the land, grazes it down and just
Speaker 2: has moving. We we say that we can't complain about
Speaker 2: the hunting pressure because we are the.
Speaker 1: We got to make a strict.
Speaker 4: With the bears Ford Ranger on it and a big spike.
Speaker 6: He made me feel better while ago when he told
Speaker 6: me where he was actually going this year, and it
Speaker 6: was out of last year. He was in the middle
Speaker 6: of some of my stomping grounds.
Speaker 4: But we didn't kill. We didn't kill down there. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I went down camp, took took a kid hunting or
Speaker 6: a young guy with me and stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you put my buddy Levi on a bear and.
Speaker 4: He killed the bear. I told him to go. Ye's correct.
Speaker 7: Pure I feel like you better trademark that before this
Speaker 7: episode comes out, because you got that YouTube crew the
Speaker 7: hunting public that's his next career's pressure.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we haven't even heard the best part
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: This is an international deer camp incredibly Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are.
Speaker 1: People from from other countries here.
Speaker 7: What are the logistics of getting somebody uh legal to hunt?
Speaker 3: It's just not resident a resident.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But do they have to have like the hunter
Speaker 7: safety or anything like that, or is there an apprentice
Speaker 7: tag here in Arkansas that.
Speaker 8: If they're gonna hunt by themselves they have to have
Speaker 8: hunter safety. But other than that, yes, the same rules
Speaker 8: if the hunter safety or be with reach, yeah, of
Speaker 8: someone twenty one or that. There's also like a hunter's head.
Speaker 8: What do you call it? It's like a like it's
Speaker 8: like a one year replacement for the hunter's head.
Speaker 4: I forget what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a it's like where you can say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. Didn't get a chance to yep, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I promise I will.
Speaker 1: Essentially you get one year.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: So last year, how y'all in the whole camp we
Speaker 1: saw one deer total wow, and killed the bear.
Speaker 4: But it was the cool I mean, it was one
Speaker 4: of the coolest Bear.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was one of the coolest experiences I've ever
Speaker 8: had in the wood.
Speaker 3: Do we need to circle back to twenty good spots?
Speaker 4: Well, okay that the.
Speaker 2: Year before maybe you didn't have any good spots at all.
Speaker 8: The year before we went to we went to my
Speaker 8: stomping grounds where I've been hunting all year, and we
Speaker 8: killed six right right. And the next year I was like,
Speaker 8: and you know, like a bunch of them were like
Speaker 8: spikes and stuff, and I was like, Man, if we
Speaker 8: just keep going here, we're just there aren't going to
Speaker 8: be any bucks left.
Speaker 4: And so one.
Speaker 2: Day there'll be a genetic study of the white tailed
Speaker 2: deer back you know, when Bear was a young man,
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, in the genetic record, they'll be like,
Speaker 2: we're not sure what happened, but there was a population
Speaker 2: level right around here in this five square mile area.
Speaker 6: You know why y'all saw one deer last year? Was
Speaker 6: that by what you just said. You said you decided
Speaker 6: to move because you didn't want to find the deer
Speaker 6: out over.
Speaker 4: There where you were.
Speaker 6: At any time you brag about what you're doing or
Speaker 6: what you have done, let me tell you I've done
Speaker 6: it myself over the years and it'll come back and
Speaker 6: it okay.
Speaker 1: So you think that he got a little overcomer.
Speaker 4: Confident and so it showed up.
Speaker 8: Oh, it definitely did because we were like, surely there's
Speaker 8: twenty ten dudes out there with guns and you know,
Speaker 8: pinch points and stuff.
Speaker 1: Ten or ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and where you.
Speaker 6: All were at though, yeah, buck button, bucks, bikes and
Speaker 6: we saw it didn't matter.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: I think Seymour saw like the flash of one deer
Speaker 8: and LEVI killed a bear.
Speaker 1: So what are the all the names of some of
Speaker 1: your members?
Speaker 8: Seymore, Yeah, Seymour, Schucks, I can't think of any off
Speaker 8: the bat, the Eagle, the uh less than the eagle,
Speaker 8: mm hmm. That's all I can think of. It going
Speaker 8: to be there, won't this year?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sea Bass has been at the camp before.
Speaker 6: What was a young man's name that I took? He's
Speaker 6: from in this area, isn't he?
Speaker 1: That was? That was Attacus?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it was a kind of a weird name.
Speaker 8: He killed a buck last week, a little buck over
Speaker 8: here there. But yeah, we've got we've got a lot
Speaker 8: of people coming in. We've got a giant wall tent
Speaker 8: and a bunch of other tents that we're going to
Speaker 8: set up tonight, and I'm I feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 4: This year.
Speaker 8: I think, well, you know, kind of back in my
Speaker 8: home range, got a bunch of good spots, been seeing
Speaker 8: a ton of deer and the rut has been picking
Speaker 8: up like crazy over where I'm at, So I think
Speaker 8: we're going to get into him.
Speaker 3: The real question is do you have a buck pole
Speaker 3: set up?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be careful about that.
Speaker 8: Oh wait a what But it's it's like the yeah,
Speaker 8: greatest expression of confidence that you're going to kill the deer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to put.
Speaker 5: Up a buck So don't I see I'm loaning my
Speaker 5: rifle to a young man from England.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, I got a couple of different countries represented
Speaker 8: this year.
Speaker 1: M hm. Wow. Wow, we are the hunting pressure.
Speaker 4: We are. That's just that's hashtag.
Speaker 1: But that's that's that's pretty man.
Speaker 2: You know what I I I commend you bear. That's
Speaker 2: uh that's pretty cool that you're you're taking guys out
Speaker 2: and uh so yeah.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: Josh, you killed a deer this week with your bow.
Speaker 5: I did first bow and our first deer in years
Speaker 5: with my bow.
Speaker 1: Now you killed a buck last year with the gun,
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 5: Killed killed good decent bucks the last two years with rifle. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this year, I went to scout in a spot and uh,
Speaker 5: I got out there and I think I texted you
Speaker 5: something about scouting and where I was looking because it
Speaker 5: was a place we used to hunt years ago. And uh,
Speaker 5: he said, don't scout hunt and I was like, I
Speaker 5: had my tree stand with me and I had my.
Speaker 1: Perfect day at Big Front.
Speaker 2: Had been like a three day It was back in
Speaker 2: the latter part of baut October, love of the mid
Speaker 2: to the kind of central part of the country, you
Speaker 2: know in south this part got got it.
Speaker 1: But it it rained for three days.
Speaker 2: Yep, cleared out and it was cold, dropped twenty five degrees.
Speaker 5: And uh it was it was kind of rainy, and
Speaker 5: uh when I pulled in, I saw a buck, saw
Speaker 5: an eight point grazing in this field, and so I thought,
Speaker 5: I thought he didn't see me. So I tried to
Speaker 5: sneak up on him, and when I got there, he
Speaker 5: was he was gone. But I just decided, hey, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna put my tree stand up. They didn't
Speaker 5: seem spooked when I saw him, so I thought I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna put my tree stand up here on the
Speaker 5: edge of this field. And got up there, and it
Speaker 5: was a tree stand i'd never used before. I got
Speaker 5: a hand me down, so I never used it, so
Speaker 5: I didn't go super high, maybe sixteen feet and sat
Speaker 5: there for about an hour and a half and a
Speaker 5: little buck came walking underneath me and he stopped ten
Speaker 5: yards in front of me, and he's quartering away real hard,
Speaker 5: and when I shot him, he just bolted, and I
Speaker 5: felt like I got a good shot on him, but
Speaker 5: I watched him run maybe one hundred yards away before
Speaker 5: I lost sight of him.
Speaker 4: And I got down out.
Speaker 5: Of the tree pretty quick because my arrow was a
Speaker 5: full pass through and I wanted to see if it,
Speaker 5: you know, had good blood on it, and it did
Speaker 5: all the way down, and so I thought, well, he
Speaker 5: probably just ran over there one hundred yards and died.
Speaker 5: So I gave him about forty five minutes probably, and
Speaker 5: just started trailing him. And it was a really good
Speaker 5: blood trail, I mean really good, but you know, it
Speaker 5: was hard to miss kind of blood trail, and man,
Speaker 5: I got down there. I got down out of the
Speaker 5: tree about five fifteen and started looking for him. And
Speaker 5: I looked and looked and looked and ran circled. My
Speaker 5: on ex tracks are like, looks like I've just completely
Speaker 5: covered the entire area.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: His on ex app actually sent word back to the
Speaker 1: headquarters to send help yea, because they were like tracker
Speaker 1: and they were like this this.
Speaker 4: Was either lost or can't find these animal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my good buddy Brian Beauley came and he came out.
Speaker 5: He drove an hour out to come help me look
Speaker 5: for this deer. And we looked for him till ten
Speaker 5: o'clock at night. And that was pretty discouraged because it
Speaker 5: would be the first deer that I've shot and lost,
Speaker 5: and I was pretty sick about it.
Speaker 4: And I just just like, I'm going to.
Speaker 5: Get back up at daylight and go back out. There
Speaker 5: was fortunately it was in the low thirties, mid thirties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was getting cold.
Speaker 5: I knew it was going to be okay, the meat
Speaker 5: was going to be okay. And I went back out
Speaker 5: and just started scouring again, went down on these draws
Speaker 5: and looked for him and man, nothing. I was about
Speaker 5: to give up and I thought, I'm just going to
Speaker 5: walk over in this area, which was actually kind of
Speaker 5: back closer to my stand and lo and behold, I
Speaker 5: crossed through an area where I hadn't been and he's
Speaker 5: just laid out in the open there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so now I, for some reason with Josh feel
Speaker 2: like every time he has a hunting experience, I need
Speaker 2: I need to teach him something. Yes, yes, so Josh,
Speaker 2: he's good at smiling and being like okay, Clay. But
Speaker 2: he'd called me and he said the blood trail was
Speaker 2: just like blazing hot yep. And then it just just vanished.
Speaker 2: Ye and uh, I told him, I said a lot
Speaker 2: of times when that happens and you feel like the
Speaker 2: blood's dried up. It didn't dry up. Just the deer
Speaker 2: did something that you didn't expect him to me, I.
Speaker 5: Can hear of the problem was is that it was sprinkling.
Speaker 5: It was right, it was raining, for it was.
Speaker 1: Rain, and it was dark yep.
Speaker 2: And basically the deer circled back and went closer to
Speaker 2: where and Josh said something that I hadn't thought about,
Speaker 2: but it makes sense why you would think it is
Speaker 2: that he just felt like the deer was going to
Speaker 2: be running away from where it shot was shot, like
Speaker 2: just and you watch you watch it run away from
Speaker 2: where you shot. You just feel like it's just going
Speaker 2: to keep going that way forever until it dies. Well,
Speaker 2: this deer, you know, busted out because the noise came
Speaker 2: from behind it, and then but it had come from
Speaker 2: behind you, and so it just basically made a big
Speaker 2: loop and was trying to get back into where it was.
Speaker 1: And I tell you, I have found a lot.
Speaker 2: Of deer almost by just like pure instinct, just when
Speaker 2: you tracked enough of them. Yeah, I mean, and hopefully,
Speaker 2: you know, most of the time you're you're hoping you
Speaker 2: don't even have to deer falls within fifty six it's
Speaker 2: not that big a deal. But we tracked the deer
Speaker 2: the other day in Georgia when I was with Ross Chastain.
Speaker 2: He shot a deer with a rifle that couldn't find
Speaker 2: any blood, and it was real thick, and we were
Speaker 2: wandering around and basically I just started walking trails, deer
Speaker 2: trails just in the area, and I was just like,
Speaker 2: eventually I'm going to see blood. Anyway, finally did just
Speaker 2: like skipped from the last blood, which was basically where
Speaker 2: he shot the deer, to like sixty seventy five yards.
Speaker 1: I found a little.
Speaker 2: Bitty speck of blood on a deer trail. That was
Speaker 2: kind of a little different direction we thought. Anyway, you know,
Speaker 2: you just kind of got a maybe not use your
Speaker 2: just gotta think about what the animal is gonna do.
Speaker 2: It's usually going to want to get back to where
Speaker 2: he came.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I just I did not want to
Speaker 5: lose that deer, and I just t look and kept looking,
Speaker 5: kept looking.
Speaker 4: Really glad I got.
Speaker 1: Them now, Mo, you hadn't got one yet.
Speaker 6: No, No, I've hunted several days. I hunted some during
Speaker 6: the Muslim type season or alternative weapons whatever they call
Speaker 6: it here in Arkansas now, and I bow.
Speaker 4: Hundred a few times.
Speaker 6: I bear hunted a couple of days, uh during that,
Speaker 6: once with my bow and then once with the with
Speaker 6: alternative weapons.
Speaker 4: But seen a few dos.
Speaker 6: Seen a couple of small, small bucks, but no nothing
Speaker 6: as much size to anything. I've seen a lot of
Speaker 6: sign where I've been, where I've set in some stands,
Speaker 6: and I've done done this a little bit of slip
Speaker 6: hunting in the rain when it was raining those days
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago, when it was the end
Speaker 6: of that that Muslead season. But like Barry said earlier,
Speaker 6: they're making lots of sign right now there, or they
Speaker 6: have been. They're probably doing more dole looking for right
Speaker 6: now than they are making sign that they're gonna be
Speaker 6: in those areas where that's at or where the dose
Speaker 6: are bedding.
Speaker 1: So mm hmm, Bear, you had to call MO the
Speaker 1: other day get some intel. Yeah, yeah, Well I was
Speaker 1: after a big buck.
Speaker 8: Found a big rub line and there were fifteen scrapes
Speaker 8: and a three hundred yard stretch like two miles from
Speaker 8: the road down some real thick stuff, like right where
Speaker 8: you would think a big buck would be. That's why
Speaker 8: I was like the out, yeah, And I went in
Speaker 8: there a ton of sign, sat it once had a
Speaker 8: spike come like ten feet from me, but that was it.
Speaker 8: And the next time I sat it at nine forty five,
Speaker 8: I see back behind me, I see the buck and
Speaker 8: he's he was a big, gnarly six point like crooked rack,
Speaker 8: but an old buck, like a big just big ugly
Speaker 8: six point. And I was hunting with a self bow
Speaker 8: and a ground blind and he came like twenty two
Speaker 8: yards from me trailing a dough goes into some brush.
Speaker 8: The dough runs out like twenty yards from me. I
Speaker 8: bump up, get within ten yards of her, and the
Speaker 8: buck never comes. I think he winded me. It was
Speaker 8: kind of once the thermals, you know, weren't so dominant
Speaker 8: and the wind kind of took over. Anyway, I was
Speaker 8: kind of stumped at what to do, and so I
Speaker 8: consulted Mow and basically he told me to find a
Speaker 8: finger ridge just coming down into that. You know, it's
Speaker 8: it's way down in a valley on a creek bed,
Speaker 8: and so well, as soon as the thermals aren't the dominant,
Speaker 8: once the wind takes them over, then it's just swirling
Speaker 8: in there. And there is there, does happen to be
Speaker 8: a nice finger ridge coming down there?
Speaker 1: That any signing there?
Speaker 4: I haven't yet.
Speaker 6: He hadn't been it yet, but I told him, I said,
Speaker 6: I bet there's some rubs on that. He's probably bedding
Speaker 6: up higher because they like the bed higher. Yeah, he's
Speaker 6: probably coming down to check for dose or checky scrape
Speaker 6: for whatever and that.
Speaker 4: So it kill several bucks out of way.
Speaker 6: That's find most are signed down low, but kill them
Speaker 6: way up above where they're making the side.
Speaker 1: So hmm, that's a hot tip hot tip hot.
Speaker 9: Tip tips and tactics OAAC what have you been doing.
Speaker 3: Working a lot?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What do you do for work?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've been making videos and taking pictures.
Speaker 1: You were hunting with a first light guy.
Speaker 3: Yep up in Ohio.
Speaker 1: What's his name, Kyle Forber.
Speaker 7: He's the new Yep yep heck of a baseball player,
Speaker 7: I'm told.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've watched him play ball.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got a great property up there.
Speaker 3: And we did not do any good. Their rutt hadn't really.
Speaker 1: You were just hunting for like one day though.
Speaker 4: Two days.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was pretty tight. Yeah, did have a fun experience.
Speaker 7: Happened a new experience. We were hunting this big timber
Speaker 7: right off a food plot maybe two hundred yards, not
Speaker 7: seeing anything, and this little button buck bolts straight into
Speaker 7: the woods from the food plot at us, gets to
Speaker 7: within twenty yards, hangs up, then comes right up, starts
Speaker 7: licking the ladder stand to the semmer on, makes two
Speaker 7: full circles, comes back, licks the ladder stand again, and
Speaker 7: then goes back to.
Speaker 4: The food plot.
Speaker 1: Hmm, Wow, what do you make of it?
Speaker 4: Witchcraft?
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, there was no reason for him to come
Speaker 7: in there. I didn't see anything in the food plot
Speaker 7: that chased him in there or anything. He just came
Speaker 7: straight to us on a bee line.
Speaker 2: He must have smelled you liked it. Yeah, any uh,
Speaker 2: it's been a while since we've talked a lot.
Speaker 4: Any new tattoos, No new tattoos.
Speaker 7: Oh, just all the same old standards. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 7: I don't think there's much news fit to report. I've
Speaker 7: been hunting a little, did it. Did a little guiding
Speaker 7: up in Wyoming for mule deer and antelope. Quite a
Speaker 7: bit of fun.
Speaker 1: Yep, nice, that's cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah, successful hunt. Yeah, tagged out all my hunters so
Speaker 7: easier than others. It is remarkable. I think it's sku
Speaker 7: and I think we're in a weird world. I think
Speaker 7: there are a lot of people who like to hunt
Speaker 7: that don't hunt or have as much experience hunting as us.
Speaker 7: But just some remarkable people, all of them great and friendly.
Speaker 7: And I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: The clients. Yeah.
Speaker 7: But I had a guy show up and say, I
Speaker 7: got a new barrel put on my gun.
Speaker 4: I haven't shot it yet.
Speaker 1: What. Okay, we're going and we're going hunting this afternoon.
Speaker 7: Yeah, do you have something I can shoot at on
Speaker 7: the property? And I was like, tell you what I'll
Speaker 7: bring my gun and we'll start off with that. I
Speaker 7: know it's on it's on out to four hundred yards,
Speaker 7: so and maybe if it gets slow midday, we can
Speaker 7: shoot at something.
Speaker 3: But I don't. We're shooting my gun. We're not shooting
Speaker 3: your gun, like okay with that. Yeah, yeah, And he
Speaker 3: shot a deer.
Speaker 4: He shot a good.
Speaker 1: Deer with your with your gun. Uh huh okay uh.
Speaker 7: And it ended up being a layup shot at like
Speaker 7: one hundred and forty yards. This, you know, one hundred
Speaker 7: and sixty in four by four was vetted one hundred
Speaker 7: and forty yards from the road and just looking out.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I have two fans I work with that
Speaker 4: had went.
Speaker 6: They didn't go together, they went separate, but they went
Speaker 6: to Wyoming meal deer hunting a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 6: and they both tagged a meal deer one of them,
Speaker 6: really nice of them, was just a smaller meal deer.
Speaker 6: But they were both had good hunts. They saw several
Speaker 6: several meal deer and said they had really a good time.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's incredible up there.
Speaker 4: It's funny hunting.
Speaker 7: I've only ever hunted public land up there, and it
Speaker 7: can be a little hard. A lot of it's land locked,
Speaker 7: and what's not is pretty overrun, right. Uh, and so
Speaker 7: I'm taking these guys hunting and putting them on deer
Speaker 7: that are much bigger than I've ever shot. I have
Speaker 7: never shot some yeah, yeah, yeah. So the way it
Speaker 7: works in Wyoming is you have to be a licensed
Speaker 7: guide working under a licensed and insured outfitter. And uh,
Speaker 7: he had a couple of leases and stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I entered. That's cool. That's cool. Well, dear Stories.
Speaker 1: So my favorite episodes of the year are the bear
Speaker 1: Grease dear stories. I've been trying to figure out. We've
Speaker 1: done this five years now, and every year we've had
Speaker 1: I think at least two Deer Stories episodes.
Speaker 2: Usually there's between five and seven stories on each episode.
Speaker 2: I would like to I wish somebody, not me or
Speaker 2: not like a part of our group, could analyze these
Speaker 2: stories to help me understand what kind of stories that
Speaker 2: we like to tell, because stay with me, there's a
Speaker 2: million deer stories.
Speaker 1: I mean, please bear with me, Dear with me, dear
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 2: This little idea may come to fruition in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: after the book after, you know, because when I I
Speaker 2: find when I sit down with people, and Josh has
Speaker 2: been helping me gather stories. I look at someone that
Speaker 2: I've come to them and maybe they don't know a thing.
Speaker 2: Many of the people that have been on some of
Speaker 2: these episodes had never even heard of bear Grease or
Speaker 2: podcasts at all. And so I'm like and they and
Speaker 2: they go, well, I mean, I've been like deer hunting
Speaker 2: my whole life, Like what kind of story do you want?
Speaker 2: And like what would I say to them? Because I'm
Speaker 2: not necessarily looking for a big buck story, but I
Speaker 2: might be.
Speaker 4: I mean, one of the.
Speaker 2: Best stories that that I personally have is the story
Speaker 2: of my saga with moofs and and really it's a
Speaker 2: it's a story of the patterns of a really big buck.
Speaker 2: There's a buck that my neighbor ended up killing, you know, yep.
Speaker 2: And so like, I'm very interested in, like a great
Speaker 2: deer story that has some great deer behavior, something unique,
Speaker 2: something that deer did that you you never would have
Speaker 2: predicted that he would do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's cool.
Speaker 1: But then also the story of Gary Farmer on this episode,
Speaker 1: who the story wasn't even about deer hunting, it was
Speaker 1: he was taken. They've done a deer drive. It was
Speaker 1: taking a nap.
Speaker 2: His buddy pulls up on a mule and you know, says, hey,
Speaker 2: hop on, let's see if she'll ride double.
Speaker 4: I mean, the.
Speaker 2: Story wasn't even about deer hunting. And when he told
Speaker 2: me that, I was like, that's a great story.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: And I I anyway, any any thoughts on how you
Speaker 2: would describe to someone, Like if you brought your best
Speaker 2: friend that didn't know any of this and you said
Speaker 2: you got to tell Clay a story, what would you
Speaker 2: say to him?
Speaker 7: I think there's two types of stories that really do
Speaker 7: it for me, and it's things that are humorous, not
Speaker 7: necessarily side splitting, but like where you screw something up
Speaker 7: or something goes awry or whatever, like that mule story.
Speaker 7: Or I think this oftentimes comes up more in the
Speaker 7: turkey hunting stories, but still in deer stories that things
Speaker 7: that are sentimental or things that carry weight for something
Speaker 7: beyond just the hunt. And like I was just before
Speaker 7: we started here, I was saying, like some of my
Speaker 7: best deer and certainly my favorite stories happened like that.
Speaker 3: Like my favorite deer I ever shot.
Speaker 7: It was one hundred and forty inch main frame eight
Speaker 7: that had broken off both its g ones just rubbed
Speaker 7: them slick, so it's really a six point technically, it
Speaker 7: was illegal when I shot it because I was in
Speaker 7: a county that had a four point on one side restriction.
Speaker 7: And I remember like walking up to it all statue. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I remember walking up to it and being like, well,
Speaker 7: I was with my dad, I'll tell you that. But
Speaker 7: I was like, Dad, this isn't legal, and he's like,
Speaker 7: that's not what that rules about. This guy is clearly a.
Speaker 4: Very mature to say.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but we were walking in We're walking this road
Speaker 7: in right, and there's this bedding area right up next
Speaker 7: to it, and you can't get through it without blowing
Speaker 7: out these dear if you're walking in the middle of
Speaker 7: the day, it's like they're bedded ten yards from this
Speaker 7: little path through here.
Speaker 3: And so we're walking up to it and fully expect
Speaker 3: to blow out some deer.
Speaker 7: Three or four dos come through, and there's this little
Speaker 7: spike standing in the middle of the road, and I
Speaker 7: have my camera on me walking with Dad, and I've
Speaker 7: bend down on my knees and I'm getting a picture
Speaker 7: because he's just standing there all pretty in the middle
Speaker 7: of the road and I'm about to snap the picture
Speaker 7: and Dad's like.
Speaker 4: Are you gonna shoot the deer?
Speaker 7: I'm thinking no, I'm not gonna shoot that deer. I
Speaker 7: would never shoot that deer. And I'm like, no, what
Speaker 7: are you talking about? And he just reaches down and
Speaker 7: grabs my head and turns it. And this guy is
Speaker 7: just standing there like the king of the forest, right
Speaker 7: next to the road, still in the bedding area.
Speaker 4: He hasn't bowled out there yet, but he's.
Speaker 7: Standing there like, uh, I've never encountered something I can't handle,
Speaker 7: and you guys are no different. He's just proud and
Speaker 7: this is my spot, right And he just stood there
Speaker 7: and I pulled up my gun and I shot him,
Speaker 7: and that it had nothing to do with skill.
Speaker 3: I did everything wrong.
Speaker 7: But that's the type of story that I'm like, that's
Speaker 7: really special to me and I will always remember it.
Speaker 7: Cool that it was a good deer, but just being
Speaker 7: there with my dad and screwing things up and it
Speaker 7: still worked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm asking you that are you going to shoot that deer?
Speaker 3: A ten inch spike?
Speaker 1: You know, like, okay, bear, what would you describe?
Speaker 2: What kind of deer stories are we looking for because
Speaker 2: I actually gotta I actually gotta now do a little
Speaker 2: cleanup work with thought. Isaac said, when I sit with somebody,
Speaker 2: I tell him I don't want it because your story
Speaker 2: is not necessarily sentimental. I wouldn't call that sentimental. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not disagreeing that. Yes, that's a great story to
Speaker 2: find sentimental.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, yeah, here's the other.
Speaker 2: Thing that happens when you sit down with people, I say,
Speaker 2: tell me your best, dear story and they go, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, you are not going to believe this story, Clay,
Speaker 2: are we recording? And they go, man, my six year
Speaker 2: old son it was his first time one hundred deer
Speaker 2: And they tell me about their six year old son
Speaker 2: killing the.
Speaker 1: Deer, which, dude, I have four kids. I've spent I've
Speaker 1: dedicated a lot of my life to getting them into
Speaker 1: the outdoors and it's incredibly gratifying. It doesn't make for
Speaker 1: that compelling of a story.
Speaker 5: You're usually sentimental story where the sentimentality really only person.
Speaker 2: And not taking anything away from a kid or any
Speaker 2: of those stories. There's a place for that story, and
Speaker 2: that's part of my point on what kind of stories
Speaker 2: are we telling? On the Bear grease deer stories because
Speaker 2: they're they're they They got to have a hook, they
Speaker 2: got to be exciting, they got to have a punchline.
Speaker 2: I think part of it too, I'm answered my own question. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think part of it too. I told Josh the
Speaker 2: other day I would almost rather pick the person I
Speaker 2: want to tell me a story.
Speaker 5: I literally told somebody the other day I said, these
Speaker 5: dear stories are thirty percent story and seventy percent storyteller.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's not even like bells and whistles of storytelling.
Speaker 2: It's not It's not like everybody has to be like
Speaker 2: an Andy Brown that gives the sound. But it's the
Speaker 2: character of the person, like like, well, it's the way
Speaker 2: they sound, it's the it's the it's the authenticity in
Speaker 2: their voice.
Speaker 7: It's the Anyway, when I say sentimental, I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 7: the initially I went to that Turkey story of the
Speaker 7: guy in Tennessee where he took a no, took the
Speaker 7: strap off.
Speaker 3: His gun and.
Speaker 7: Story that's it's not like Sacharine sentimental. It's not like
Speaker 7: super it's like, uh, the relationship or in this your
Speaker 7: story one.
Speaker 3: The uncle Ira, what did you call him?
Speaker 9: Ari?
Speaker 7: Alright, all right, the the like the story of him,
Speaker 7: just that whole like that connection to someone else, that
Speaker 7: thing that transcends this. Yeah, I think that's what I
Speaker 7: mean by sentimental.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, you're right of.
Speaker 7: The storyteller talking about dipping and he used the word wretched.
Speaker 4: Yea wretched in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to do a deer story, like an
Speaker 5: All Star Deer Stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time probably.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean because I mean, over the past five
Speaker 5: years there's been.
Speaker 1: On different ones.
Speaker 2: Because I'm always surprised when I to me, there's always
Speaker 2: one story in the episode that's like the best, like like,
Speaker 2: if you had any other thought, I would think you
Speaker 2: didn't understand deer honey. And but clearly that's like myopic
Speaker 2: view of like your perception of how you evaluate life.
Speaker 2: Which I'm joking when I say that, but like there's
Speaker 2: always one that's just like really clear, and then I'll
Speaker 2: talk to somebody and they'll be like, oh I like
Speaker 2: that one, and they're all good, or they wouldn't be
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 1: Right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: I would say overall, Deer Stories and Turkey Stories are
Speaker 5: the podcasts that I get the most feedback on positive negative. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like people love love dear stories and turkey stories.
Speaker 7: Okay, let me pass something by you on picking the storyteller.
Speaker 7: I feel like there are people who are exceptionally gifted
Speaker 7: with storytelling, and oftentimes the craziest things happened to those people.
Speaker 1: They have a propensity some people.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my uncle Scott is that way. Incredible storyteller. He's
Speaker 7: a big old guy, always wears overalls and the just
Speaker 7: stuff happens, I'd call him snake bit right. He just
Speaker 7: you know, he was building his house and nailed his
Speaker 7: hand to his roof and hearing him tell that story
Speaker 7: is incredible. But just him fiddling with a climber and
Speaker 7: getting his knee he's hyper extended because he slipped out.
Speaker 1: He's got some coordination issues.
Speaker 7: Oh definitely for sure, going to the bathroom and feeling
Speaker 7: good about it while hunting and then putting his coveralls
Speaker 7: back on and realizing that he had used the sleeve
Speaker 7: just just and constantly, it's always happening to He's an
Speaker 7: incredible storyteller. But I'm like, I could count up on
Speaker 7: one hand maybe this quality of experiences in this realm
Speaker 7: that I have had, and you seem to have this
Speaker 7: every week.
Speaker 6: Kind of like the guy and the story one of
Speaker 6: the stories of this second episode where where the the
Speaker 6: guy's dad love to hunt and loves to do all
Speaker 6: that bho his son says he can't hit the broadside
Speaker 6: of a bar there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jordan Bear, what.
Speaker 1: Was your favorite story?
Speaker 2: And I kind of want to open it back up
Speaker 2: because we didn't have a render about episode one, which
Speaker 2: had some incredible stuff. It had it had uh Andy Brown,
Speaker 2: uh about Uncle Ari, but mainly it had Johnny Johnson
Speaker 2: and story about giving away deer.
Speaker 4: And had the stories about the deer camps too.
Speaker 1: Well, so that was on the second one you're talking
Speaker 1: about the first, Well, I'm just saying I'm opening it
Speaker 1: up to all that.
Speaker 8: The deer camp stories. Matt Taylor had to be my
Speaker 8: favorite because the deer camp well yeah, and I've gone
Speaker 8: I can go to their deer camp a lot, and
Speaker 8: those stories. So Matt Taylor's son, Weston is one of
Speaker 8: my good hunting buddies.
Speaker 1: It happens to be.
Speaker 4: He's the eagle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you see the eagle pull up, you're hunting area.
Speaker 4: If you see that.
Speaker 5: With the bald eagle and the.
Speaker 1: That says, I am the pressure. Yeah he is. He's
Speaker 1: almost tagged out already head on. He lets no mercy.
Speaker 8: He he does have a the longest running he has
Speaker 8: a wild hunting statistic.
Speaker 4: He has never passed.
Speaker 1: He's once and he shot.
Speaker 8: He's on public whole life and Bat Taylor, I'm serious,
Speaker 8: like he's every deer he's ever seen in the woods.
Speaker 1: While I had a guy, he killed it. He's killed
Speaker 1: like twenty one deers.
Speaker 3: He does not know what a deer walking away looks like,
Speaker 3: what's that?
Speaker 1: He's a flag? I saw some weird the woodstas a
Speaker 1: white flat right what it was?
Speaker 8: But anyway, so I've gone to that deer camp maybe
Speaker 8: since I was I think I was fourteen the first
Speaker 8: time I went there.
Speaker 3: But they those three stories.
Speaker 8: Whenever I heard the first one about the antler getting shot,
Speaker 8: I was like, they he better tell the Tanneride story.
Speaker 8: He better tell the deer jumping out of the truck story,
Speaker 8: because it's just like those stories, Like they say the
Speaker 8: greatest hips and they kill like very consistently giant public
Speaker 8: land bucks. I mean almost every year they've got a
Speaker 8: they've got a wall where the you know, like.
Speaker 1: Whoever kills the biggest buck?
Speaker 8: Every year gets a hat and they've got a wall
Speaker 8: for like thirty years worth of bucks, and you go
Speaker 8: look at all the pictures and they've got some giant
Speaker 8: bucks that they kill on public land, and like, I
Speaker 8: mean they tell those stories here and there, but like
Speaker 8: the these stories are are you know, like the deer
Speaker 8: jumping out of the back of the side by side
Speaker 8: and they get back and he's not there. You know.
Speaker 8: So those had to be my favorite, just because it's
Speaker 8: like the way they hunt is a very tough way
Speaker 8: to hunt, but they've What I like about it is
Speaker 8: they've done it for so long. They've got they've got
Speaker 8: a lot of tradition in their camp and it's like
Speaker 8: a they just have a really neat camp and I
Speaker 8: feel like it's kind of portrayed well through those stories
Speaker 8: of like what what's really like what the camp is
Speaker 8: really about there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought Matt. Matt's stories were great.
Speaker 3: Was the tanneright, the same guy that got.
Speaker 4: Kicked in the face? Yeah, same guy, the same guy that.
Speaker 2: Those were the two stories about this this cody you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: Matt's story, that story could have had a way different outcome.
Speaker 2: I don't know if when you're listening from a production standpoint,
Speaker 2: like when Matt starts telling the story of him smoking
Speaker 2: like marb on Home Alone.
Speaker 1: There's like this real lighthearted like music, and the story
Speaker 1: could have been and the guy was blind and lost.
Speaker 7: You know, supposing of explosives in a fire is a
Speaker 7: crazy move.
Speaker 1: It just it just was one of those no brainer moves.
Speaker 2: But Josh, what was your favorite story of all of them?
Speaker 5: You know, I really like Johnny Johnson's story because I
Speaker 5: think a lot of that that respect for older people
Speaker 5: is starting to slip a little bit, and I think
Speaker 5: that that one was a little sentimental to me.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 5: Had great appreciation because there was no like, it was
Speaker 5: no question, oh he shot the deer, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean? Yeah, And I appreciate that about it because
Speaker 5: and and that would have been a time that Johnny
Speaker 5: wasn't necessarily the greatest guy in the world, but they
Speaker 5: still had respect for this old man.
Speaker 4: And I think that means something to me.
Speaker 1: Man, if you hadn't listened to that episode, uh, look
Speaker 1: up what episode number that is, Josh, if you can,
Speaker 1: but that that story is one of the most unique.
Speaker 2: And what was so cool about it to me was
Speaker 2: Johnny he didn't want to tell me.
Speaker 7: That story that that's what I was going to say,
Speaker 7: the setup because if he had been like, I got
Speaker 7: a story for you, Oh check out how good I am?
Speaker 6: Right well, and he, uh, you know, he said, he
Speaker 6: kind told it to you just by chance.
Speaker 1: It was totally about chance. I wasn't even at his house.
Speaker 2: It was when I went to his cab his place
Speaker 2: to get him to tell me about yeah, like his
Speaker 2: whole life, which was one of the coolest episodes of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: So three fourteen Confessions of a Former Outlaw.
Speaker 2: Okay, now that was that one. I was saying, what's
Speaker 2: the Deer Stories episode? So Johnny had episode three fourteen,
Speaker 2: which is Confessions of a Former Outlaw I think, in
Speaker 2: my mind, one of the coolest stories that we've ever told.
Speaker 2: And then the Deer Stories one. But yeah, So I
Speaker 2: was at Johnny's to talk about Turkey, and I was
Speaker 2: just looking at his wall of deer and and there
Speaker 2: was one that was the biggest, just clearly the biggest,
Speaker 2: and I just said, hey, is that the biggest deer
Speaker 2: that y'all have killed over in this part.
Speaker 1: Of the country.
Speaker 2: Kind of just trying to get a feel for how
Speaker 2: big the deer were, because sometimes you go into people's
Speaker 2: place and you see a bunch of deer on the
Speaker 2: wall and they go, oh, these aren't the big ones.
Speaker 2: The big ones are in my living room. Yep, that's
Speaker 2: actually pretty common. Yeah, and they go, oh yeah, these
Speaker 2: just in the barn are the ones that didn't make
Speaker 2: it to the shoulder mount, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I mean they were a huge deer. So I
Speaker 2: was anticipating him telling me this is the big one.
Speaker 2: It was like, I'd say, one hundred and fifty type
Speaker 2: inch deer and he said, he said, yeah, that's probably
Speaker 2: the biggest one, except for you know, we gave one away.
Speaker 1: One that probably bigger than that we gave away.
Speaker 2: And then he just started talking about the other deer,
Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, wait a minute, let's circle back.
Speaker 2: Tell me what you mean by it gave it away.
Speaker 2: And he just went, oh god, we all kind of
Speaker 2: shot at the same time, and you know, this guy
Speaker 2: killed it, and old man, I mean, he just like
Speaker 2: he was just like, let's keep moving, Clay, this is
Speaker 2: not that interesting to the story. And so when we
Speaker 2: sat down and he had a recorder on, I said,
Speaker 2: you got to tell me the whole story, give me
Speaker 2: the whole story.
Speaker 1: And so he did, and it was pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 2: I actually had another story on this is kind of
Speaker 2: behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Uh. One of the storytellers I won't tell who.
Speaker 2: Had a story that they were gonna tell me and
Speaker 2: did tell me that was spurred on by Johnny's story
Speaker 2: because it was the opposite. Two guys shot and there
Speaker 2: was a major conflict over who killed the deer, and
Speaker 2: to the point that one of the guys went and
Speaker 2: put his foot on the rack and said, Okay, well
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna break the rack and you know, you
Speaker 2: can take half and I can take half or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 7: Oh real Solomon, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and so you.
Speaker 3: Are the true mother.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was a real ugly story though, I mean
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, just guys just each.
Speaker 3: Other kill the energy of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was. And so anyway, it just
Speaker 1: didn't really fit.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of stories that don't end like yeah,
Speaker 2: Johnny's did.
Speaker 1: But I also so think that.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of those old guys that like Ernie
Speaker 2: in Matt's story, who doesn't really care about the horns,
Speaker 2: that much, which is bizarre to me. Louet Dell and
Speaker 2: Charlie Edwards, the Turkey hunting outlaws that we did the
Speaker 2: series on Genuine Outlaws. Those guys were deer hunters and
Speaker 2: their whole life, I mean, killed a lot of deer
Speaker 2: and they never kept the horns really, I mean they
Speaker 2: give them away to people. Their horns are just scattered
Speaker 2: throughout the county. I talked to Stony one day, I
Speaker 2: mean when I was doing that interview and I was like,
Speaker 2: what's the biggest deer your dad ever killed? And he said, oh,
Speaker 2: he killed a giant one time.
Speaker 4: You know, big, you know.
Speaker 2: He described it to me, and I mean, I feel
Speaker 2: like he was describing a one hundred and sixty inch
Speaker 2: maybe bigger type deer.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I'd like to see that.
Speaker 1: I want to get a picture of it. And he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, we don't even have it.
Speaker 4: I don't even know where it is.
Speaker 1: He said that gave it away.
Speaker 2: I was like, gave it away and he's like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he said, Clay. He said, those deer when they're those
Speaker 2: horns are stacked up at our camp the week of
Speaker 2: deer season. He said, they mean something to us, because
Speaker 2: when they kill a deer, they put the.
Speaker 1: Horns on the woodpile. And he said, when we pack
Speaker 1: up that next Saturday to go home, those horns don't
Speaker 1: mean a thing does and they just kind of give
Speaker 1: him away.
Speaker 5: Even to this date, Stoney says that about himself.
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know. I mean, he'd probably keep a
Speaker 2: big one. I mean, I don't really know. He just
Speaker 2: said that's the way his dad and them were, and
Speaker 2: he was talking about himself when he said that doesn't
Speaker 2: really mean that much to us. But I think the
Speaker 2: culture around keeping horns is way stronger today than it
Speaker 2: than it probably was in the past. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think people want to keep a set of horns today,
Speaker 2: but I know Mo Shepherd does.
Speaker 6: I'd ad they'll give away several sets of horns, and
Speaker 6: even killed He's go out West and Colorade and he
Speaker 6: hunted Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, elkhinned Mulier. He kills some big
Speaker 6: mule deer and he'd bring them home and he'd show
Speaker 6: them off. And then I remember when I was like, Kenna,
Speaker 6: let me go. Some people came by and he was
Speaker 6: showing them the horns of big mule deer. He'd kill
Speaker 6: and they said, both those are nice horns. He said,
Speaker 6: we do you want them? They said, yeah, we like
Speaker 6: to have them to take home or do what? And
Speaker 6: he just give them to him And I remember him
Speaker 6: doing that several times as a kid growing up.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: He didn't think much about the horns, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah and eat.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite story?
Speaker 4: Mo?
Speaker 1: Which one stood out to you?
Speaker 6: I really liked the one that you were you all
Speaker 6: were talking about, you know, but as uh to hit
Speaker 6: on another base, I really liked the one of of
Speaker 6: whaling the lines. I mean, even if it hadn't been
Speaker 6: a monster buck, that's the way it all took place,
Speaker 6: him hunting him, missing it, uh, not getting to go
Speaker 6: back for a while, and going back and and that's
Speaker 6: what he does set one of those finger ridges. Did
Speaker 6: you hear that in the story?
Speaker 4: Bear?
Speaker 1: I didn't notice it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Him and his wife went with him and they went
Speaker 6: and sat on a finger ridge aways from where he
Speaker 6: had because he said it looked like a better place
Speaker 6: to maybe ambush a big deer, another good deer.
Speaker 4: And anyway, that's where he wound up killing it.
Speaker 6: And there's one of them where it don't happen very often.
Speaker 6: It's happened to me twice my whole life, where I
Speaker 6: walked up the deer and it's a lot bigger than
Speaker 6: what I thought it was when I when I put
Speaker 6: my sights on it or slung an air at it,
Speaker 6: or yeah, done something to it, you know, And that
Speaker 6: don't happen very often. And it happened for sure on
Speaker 6: his stuff.
Speaker 1: That deer. I wish you could see it. It truly
Speaker 1: is just giant. It doesn't look like it came from ozarks.
Speaker 2: It's a mainframe eight eight point, I mean, just like
Speaker 2: I imagine, just a clean eight point. Now it does
Speaker 2: have the number of kickers, but they're but they're just
Speaker 2: I think they're on the G two's. I can't remember
Speaker 2: had something maybe some on the base is a few,
Speaker 2: but just I mean don't I can't.
Speaker 1: Remember how long the times were?
Speaker 4: Is that what that we said?
Speaker 3: Like it was six and a half at the base
Speaker 3: and four at the tips come out to where.
Speaker 2: They flashed out on the just just kept its mass
Speaker 2: and yeah, and this is just on this old rocky
Speaker 2: ground over here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that was a good That was a
Speaker 1: good story. That was a great story.
Speaker 6: Like I said the way the whole thing transpired, it
Speaker 6: was a really great story. And then them dragging it out,
Speaker 6: and then he even made that comment, you know, even
Speaker 6: though he's got that deer and got those horns, I don't know,
Speaker 6: I he's got it matter what. But he even made
Speaker 6: that comedy. You don't never hunt for horns. I just
Speaker 6: hunt for the deer because I like the meat. And
Speaker 6: yeah sometimes that's who killed some of them monster deer.
Speaker 1: So yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. What what other what
Speaker 1: other stories were in there?
Speaker 5: Had the father Stephen Gadberry's story about him and hunt
Speaker 5: with Jesus.
Speaker 2: It was like it threw me, you know, I thought
Speaker 2: it was going to be one of these you deals
Speaker 2: like hunting with Jesus, you know, and he was like, actually,
Speaker 2: I mean, like for real.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny. He uh he
Speaker 5: got a good chuckle ot of that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh those fighting bucks with uh.
Speaker 2: Richard thought, so Richard thought he's worth talking about. He
Speaker 2: is uh pretty well known that he's been on the
Speaker 2: Southern Outdoorsman podcast several times. I think one of there
Speaker 2: Andrew and Jacob's best like most listened to episodes ever
Speaker 2: was with Richard.
Speaker 4: Thought I listened to one of them that he was on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were on there the other day. All sure,
Speaker 2: we're all famous and look look good on there.
Speaker 4: I think it turned out really well.
Speaker 6: I've got a lot of comments about that episode, about
Speaker 6: the red lines and everything on it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, uh, that guy's killed some big deer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he really has.
Speaker 4: And uh, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5: I got to talk to Richard, and I I really
Speaker 5: enjoyed visiting with him because he he's real open about
Speaker 5: it now. He was he was a pretty rough guy
Speaker 5: back in the day and when he was doing a
Speaker 5: lot of his hunting, and man, he just he completely
Speaker 5: turned his life around and he's a really pleasant guy
Speaker 5: to be around and got some great stories, a good,
Speaker 5: really good storyteller.
Speaker 2: He told us the story it's not on the episode,
Speaker 2: but about uh fist fighting a bear, yeah literally outside
Speaker 2: of a bar, literally like like.
Speaker 5: Fist fighting a bear and losing big yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, well it's not entirely surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 7: I liked his details about like the kid carrying the
Speaker 7: stand in and clanking against his ankles every time he
Speaker 7: took a step, and then the seeing the was it
Speaker 7: the blood come out the aluminac.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, coming out ye too.
Speaker 8: I mean, like he said, he was on public ground
Speaker 8: and then two bucks of that caliber fighting. I I
Speaker 8: wonder how that deer, like, if that deer like saw
Speaker 8: him right there, or like if it was just so
Speaker 8: in the moment, yeah, just you know, out of breath
Speaker 8: and had so much adrenaline pumping that it just like
Speaker 8: I didn't even notice him. But I wonder how he
Speaker 8: even got four steps from a deer.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd think that even.
Speaker 2: When the wind was howling, and you know, he told
Speaker 2: the keys to it, and I think that was the key,
Speaker 2: is that the wind was howling. And I mean sometimes
Speaker 2: you'd be surprised what you can do when if it's
Speaker 2: real windy. And I think when those bucks are that
Speaker 2: focused on one another, they just lose focus of everything else,
Speaker 2: you know. And so I mean I think he had
Speaker 2: two things going for him there, you know, where he
Speaker 2: could just get up to him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't know I agree with that
Speaker 6: because you know, it's been several year ago. But I
Speaker 6: was sitting on the ground on just a little blind
Speaker 6: place I built and I've been there most morning. It
Speaker 6: was probably in a couple after that light and I
Speaker 6: heard racket, and I thought, what is that I'm hearing?
Speaker 6: It sounded like somebody banging rocks together.
Speaker 4: And then curio.
Speaker 6: I mean, this was like in the late eighties, probably
Speaker 6: eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty nine, and.
Speaker 4: When I could still here real good.
Speaker 6: But I slept there for a while, and then it
Speaker 6: would stop, and then it'd get louder, and I could
Speaker 6: tell her just around the ridge from me on it.
Speaker 6: I was on a bench, and so I got up
Speaker 6: and went started slipping towards it, slipping towards it, and
Speaker 6: the closer I got, the ladder got well. I finally
Speaker 6: got over that crest of that there it was on
Speaker 6: like a white oak bench where there's.
Speaker 4: You know, they're usually pretty open.
Speaker 6: I mean you can there's still some brush, but you
Speaker 6: can see Pey gooding out there. Probably one hundred yards
Speaker 6: I could see moving.
Speaker 4: Got looking. It was three bucks and they were fighting,
Speaker 4: like what his story said to them, you know, they
Speaker 4: wanted to get down.
Speaker 6: I remember first when I first saw him, they was
Speaker 6: two shoving each other, and I was muzzloader hunting. Had
Speaker 6: an old renegade muzzloader with open sides. I thought oh gosh,
Speaker 6: I gotta get closer, you know. And I didn't really
Speaker 6: know what to do, but I thought, well, they're occupied,
Speaker 6: and the wind was okay, it was blowing hard that day,
Speaker 6: and so I started slimming apit closer and by the
Speaker 6: time I seen moving again in that third buck run
Speaker 6: as hard as he could run, and I still remember today,
Speaker 6: did that real loud like that, and just rammed the
Speaker 6: side of one of them that was really fighting with
Speaker 6: the other really and spun around and they went the
Speaker 6: button each other, and this one to fight on it.
Speaker 6: And I just kept getting closer, and I got about
Speaker 6: probably fifty sixty yards of them and got down on
Speaker 6: one knee and got me a rest and took a
Speaker 6: shot and shot my muzloader and they just kept fighting
Speaker 6: really yeah, And I thought, oh crap, I missed, you know.
Speaker 6: And back then you got black power, you got a patch,
Speaker 6: you got a ball. I didn't have all the fancy
Speaker 6: bullets in. So I go to reloading and here they come.
Speaker 6: They start coming towards me, fighting and then one rams another,
Speaker 6: and I'm trying to load and watch.
Speaker 4: The deer and do all that.
Speaker 1: Do you know which one you shot?
Speaker 4: Yeah? They were all three wound up. I think they
Speaker 4: would have been eight points, but one was a little bigger.
Speaker 4: He was he was had taller rack, and that's the
Speaker 4: one I picked out.
Speaker 6: They was he was one of the two that was
Speaker 6: first fighting to get and one of the smaller of
Speaker 6: the three is wanted run and rammed into.
Speaker 4: The the other ones.
Speaker 6: Anyway, to shorten the story up a little bit, I
Speaker 6: finally got my gun loaded and as the it's coming
Speaker 6: towards me. They were probably thirty forty yard they were.
Speaker 6: The two were fighting, and this one was behind them,
Speaker 6: the bigger one. I thought, well, why is he behind them?
Speaker 6: You know? And I got ready to shoot again and
Speaker 6: he just collapses. It's the one I had shot, but
Speaker 6: he paid no attention to that shot. He was still
Speaker 6: wanting to fight with those other deer.
Speaker 4: Wow, and they.
Speaker 1: Haven't you told me this story before?
Speaker 4: You just.
Speaker 1: That story I've heard you tell.
Speaker 4: Well, it brought to my mind. I mean, I've got
Speaker 4: so many stories over the years, I've hunted so much.
Speaker 6: I mean just I just thought of it when when
Speaker 6: you all got talking about.
Speaker 3: Most forgotten, better stories than you've.
Speaker 1: Ever That's that's wow, that's cool. I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you if you'd ever really seen deer just.
Speaker 6: Like I mean, they were getting like you know, and
Speaker 6: they weren't monster bucks, but they were nice mountain bucks,
Speaker 6: all three of them. And like I said, I think
Speaker 6: I killed the best of them, but I'm not absolutely
Speaker 6: sure I did, because they were all moving, the open
Speaker 6: sides and all that, but I think I killed the
Speaker 6: best rack one. But they were all, you know, in
Speaker 6: that class of fifteen sixteen each deer eight points, just
Speaker 6: good mountain public lan deer.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, that's cool, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen plenty of deer tickle their horns together.
Speaker 2: I've probably seen some young deer get fairly serious fighting,
Speaker 2: but I can't say that I've ever seen like like
Speaker 2: what Richard saw, or even like that where I.
Speaker 6: Said, I remember my dad was still alive then he
Speaker 6: died in ninety one, and now I know it was
Speaker 6: two three years before he passed away. But when I
Speaker 6: brought that deer back home and shut it to him,
Speaker 6: we were looking at it.
Speaker 4: You could there was holes poked in it.
Speaker 6: When we skinned it out where they'd been fire pretty hard,
Speaker 6: you know, were other horns, and that maybe been from
Speaker 6: where that small one run into one I shot, you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: I said. They were had to down a little close
Speaker 6: to the ground doing you know, shove and push like that,
Speaker 6: and that one just made two or three loud grunts and
Speaker 6: just well, wham not that one come away from.
Speaker 4: The other one. So wow, But it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 6: And the all other time I seen that happen was
Speaker 6: another time I was bow hunting. I didn't kill a deer,
Speaker 6: but I seen a buck with a dough out and
Speaker 6: a little clearing and an old home place where I
Speaker 6: was sitting and watching some acrons, and there was feeding
Speaker 6: on acrons early in the season, and the and the.
Speaker 4: Buck was kind of peeling around.
Speaker 6: And at that time, this was several years after that,
Speaker 6: but I was trying my grunt call out and I
Speaker 6: would drunk, and the dough and the buck would both
Speaker 6: look towards me. Then they just go back to the
Speaker 6: head kind of sniffing around. And how I could do
Speaker 6: behind her, and she was mainly just eating acrens. And
Speaker 6: there was probably fifty sixty yards from me. I was
Speaker 6: up standing on an old limb on a white oak
Speaker 6: tree with my ree curved bow. When I used to
Speaker 6: hunt a lot, when I could climb trees easy. But
Speaker 6: uh uh, I heard remember hearing stick's breaking. I looked
Speaker 6: in a really nice buck came from behind me somewhere
Speaker 6: and came running, grunning back like that, and he ran
Speaker 6: and knocked that deer down, that smaller buck, and they
Speaker 6: fought this a little bit, and then he walked over
Speaker 6: and rose the door around and they took off with
Speaker 6: the other direction, and I never did see him nowhere
Speaker 6: after that.
Speaker 1: But Wow came and took it from her. Yeah, from him,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't.
Speaker 6: Much of a fight because he was a lot bigger deer.
Speaker 6: But I tried drunking and everything, and he never paid
Speaker 6: me no attention. Once he was with that dough, they
Speaker 6: took off. But that's the two instances I've seen bucks
Speaker 6: kind of spar off in.
Speaker 4: The woods like that. But that first one was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Where have you ever seen deer fight?
Speaker 8: Time with Lee Walt whenever I was like a little kid,
Speaker 8: we saw two I don't think they were giant bucks,
Speaker 8: but two bucks down on Yeah, they were racked bucks
Speaker 8: and they were they fought a little But I've never
Speaker 8: I've never really seen and I'm other than that get
Speaker 8: after it that I could think.
Speaker 4: Of m h m hm.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, we've got one more Deer Stories episode is
Speaker 2: gonna come out. I was only gonna do two, and
Speaker 2: then the stories were we're good and I like doing these,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna do We're going to have one more
Speaker 2: that's gonna come out yep next week.
Speaker 7: So it's some of the best news I've had all day.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: Okay, So you wouldn't believe the people friends of mine
Speaker 6: and even family members of people I work with that
Speaker 6: I talked to on and off that they always asked
Speaker 6: me throughout the late summer and early fall, are they
Speaker 6: going to do deer episodes?
Speaker 4: Are they going to do on Bear Grease?
Speaker 6: I said, well, probably will I said, you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know for sure, but I forget it was they
Speaker 6: and a lot of people say that's some of their favorites,
Speaker 6: is the deer stories, and like, like I was talking
Speaker 6: about the Turkey stories in.
Speaker 4: The spring, they really liked them.
Speaker 1: So mm hm, Well, now that you burned up the
Speaker 1: best story, yeah, well we'll.
Speaker 2: Cut that and yeah, I'm almost serious. I might tell
Speaker 2: a story on this next one. Yeah, I've got I've
Speaker 2: got it. Yeah. Well, if they told the same story
Speaker 2: every year, well, that's the thing. That's the interesting thing
Speaker 2: about stories, and when you when you start going to
Speaker 2: people time and time again. I mean, I've almost literally
Speaker 2: deer hunted my whole life. And uh, there's only so
Speaker 2: many stories that are really great.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not it's not like you just have unlimited,
Speaker 2: really unique stories. And and most people, when you go
Speaker 2: to them and say, tell me your your stories, they've
Speaker 2: got one or two, maybe three that just are really great.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: And so, I mean, they're hard to come by. So
Speaker 1: I'm dipping into.
Speaker 2: The obscure story category. One of my stories may have
Speaker 2: to do with an explosion. Matt Taylor brought it to mind.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard me talk about an explosion? Well,
Speaker 2: in the vicinity of deer hunting.
Speaker 4: It doesn't ring a bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I told me about I ever told
Speaker 1: it on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Were You Hunting Taylor's Deer Camp? So there I was
Speaker 3: middle of the.
Speaker 1: Woods with Matt with Cody.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've told it on the podcast,
Speaker 4: but I know the one you're talking about. You told
Speaker 4: it to me.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm thinking about telling that story as rebuttal to
Speaker 2: Matt's story.
Speaker 1: Uh, And then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, it's possible you might hear from me,
Speaker 2: but man, me and Isaac Neil are going.
Speaker 7: Yeah, last time we hunted for an extended period of time,
Speaker 7: no stories.
Speaker 1: No none stories.
Speaker 4: That was tough. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We went to Illinois and uh, this first time in
Speaker 2: my life, and don't you ever use it against me
Speaker 2: world that I went on a fully guided whitetail hunt.
Speaker 1: I mean I just never done that in my life.
Speaker 1: We were offered, You were invited.
Speaker 2: I was invited like two weeks before it happened, and
Speaker 2: it was like, hey, you could go to Pike County,
Speaker 2: Illinois on a on a fully guided white tail bow hunt,
Speaker 2: and it just worked.
Speaker 1: I need I wanted to go.
Speaker 2: Isaac went with me to film and we hunted for
Speaker 2: six hard days and I mean didn't kill a buck.
Speaker 7: I think we hunted for seven, probably were slated for six,
Speaker 7: and then you were like, let's do one more, which
Speaker 7: was Halloween.
Speaker 2: You're right, you're right, yeah, yeah, and it wasn't. It
Speaker 2: was you know, you can you can be in some
Speaker 2: great deer country and not kill the deer.
Speaker 4: You told me about that trip after you got back. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he said it.
Speaker 6: It was crazy to be in such a place like
Speaker 6: that and not get any opportunities of anything.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we saw one shooter, yeah, one or two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we saw two.
Speaker 2: Actually the first day we saw the one out of
Speaker 2: the back of the blind and then we.
Speaker 1: Saw we saw one more.
Speaker 2: But but so anyway, we're right in the middle of
Speaker 2: it right now. So Baron Newcomb has been hunting a lot.
Speaker 2: Saw four bucks yesterday. Anyway, we'll have we're making stories
Speaker 2: as we speak. So man, thanks everybody for listening to
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