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Speaker 1: It's it looks nice. It's a nice addition.

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Speaker 2: I think Graham, I think that'll be good for Graham too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta be aware of where fifty two is.

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Speaker 3: I like we said about Brian Brandt to start, that's

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Speaker 1: eighteen receptions, one hundred and eighty six yards in a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: He's the first tight end to have five plus catches

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Speaker 2: Oh really, let's do that. Let's do that, all

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Speaker 1: Right, you guys can look forward to that Thursday and

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