WEBVTT - Conversations About Diss Records 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.800 Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.960 Sillers podcast with your host. Now fun that with your 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:14.680 low classes, Malone, I'm not really trying to dis other raptors. 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.160 I have no problem doing it, but I'm not because 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.840 for sure, I'm not dissing niggas for free. Like I 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.400 look at a lot of nigga's home funny, like these 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:30.360 niggas are dishing each other's free of all time, of 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.160 all time, Tony, what's your favorite dish record of all time? 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.680 I'll say the one that I have memorized that it's 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.760 never left my brain was second Round Knock Knockout the 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.360 Cannabis Joint And would you like so much about it? 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.040 He just went in. The beat was hard, he had 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.520 Tyson on it. It was raws and he was just 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.520 getting off. Like everything he was saying was like personals, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.240 like he it was a Noho's bar. He just went 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.800 at until he came back and water the ass. Hold, 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.120 I don't even get into I don't know if that's true. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.760 And we go man. He said that Nigga, it Will said, 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.479 you're swinging. You're swinging a rusty sword, but I swing 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:21.160 the excalibur. That's great. It went in on that nigger. Man. 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.440 He went on that you for your vanguard or the 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.440 ward for your front of your mom, your first, second, 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.399 and third bar barn? What else did he says? Make 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.120 your mom get on the horn called minutes the fair 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:39.720 Fair con Yeah, I know, what's your favorite diss record 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.560 of all time? Big bro? Man? You know what, Man? 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.200 I got so many on so many different levels. Man, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.320 I kind of like when MC like, we're answering their 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.520 ass out with temper cent disc up. You know what 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.880 I'm saying. Your sister used to listen to that, You 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.600 know what I'm saying, because it's like that's where you 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.720 get the whole ship goddamn hole. He we go again. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:02.880 You know a bunch of motherfucker's. Whenever you get people 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.320 quoting your dishes, Dog, it's like even niggers don't quote 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.600 that goddamn hole. Here we go again. And that was 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:10.680 the first time I really heard somebody cussing on the 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.679 record like that, like damn, Like, oh, you know what 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.480 I mean? But I would have to say, man, possibly 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.480 one of the greatest dish tracks of all time. It's 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.560 ice Cube no Vaseline Dog. It's my favorite record of 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.200 all time because it was just so it was just 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.440 so personal dog like, you know. It's like because Cube 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.640 was being cool, he had this amicable split to where 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.720 he wasn't saying nothing, and they kind of went in 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.400 on him a little bit, you know, with a skit. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.920 It's like it was the equivalent of me hitting somebody 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.680 with a spit ball and then turning around with an 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.960 a K forty seven and just opened the my chest up. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:47.520 Damn damn, because that's what it was. They came with 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.800 a skill we gonna cook your curl off of fuck 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.679 you ice Cube and this and that little skit that 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.720 sounded good. Who he came back with, God damn, I'm glad, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.000 y'all set it off, which is kind of a little 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.240 old m C light this. God damn hoh, here we 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.720 go again. God damn. Mom legs, y'all set it off. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.320 Used to be hard. Now you just wouldn't. So first 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.519 she was done with the a K. Now I see 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:13.320 you on a video. I seen that video. I've seen 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.040 that video for the first time. The other day was 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.720 Easy and it was a mission lay South. I think 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.920 it was Nicety and or something. Niggas was dressed like 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.560 Easy was dressed like an angel. Or something, and Dre 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.880 had on this weird suit and I was like, damn, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.160 I never seen this video. But then it made no 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.000 Vasiline make so much more sense. I was like, Oh, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.120 I get what he meant now, I see you on 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:46.000 the video with Mission La, no Sailing, no ceilings, g L. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.080 My man Peter running a little late. He was watching 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.160 some clothes. I thought he was hanging out with a horror. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.760 I brought my man Tony Nario, one of my partners, 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:03.040 you feel Me Rhyme, a real hip hop historian um 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.240 hip hop in his title you Feel Me So, and 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.480 the cord is my big bro, my manager and resident 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.800 and the reason I actually podcast for real big stealers here. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.200 And it's dope to have y'all here to talk about 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.640 this conversation because between both of your knowledge of hip hop, 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.200 with neither one of you guys being from New York, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:31.320 I thought, that's dope what you're saying. I thought it's 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.160 dope that neither one of y'all are from New York. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.039 But with y'all two together, I have a ton of like, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.360 I can access a ton of things about hip hop 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.800 because of how deep y'all go back into the culture. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.039 And y'all love it, especially in New York. Y'all have 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.760 a very serious preference of New York hip hop or 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:53.400 hip hop or New York sympathizers very much. So you 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.159 agree with, yeah, a little something something, Man, I'm just 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.160 like good records. Dog, I don't really know if I'm 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.440 a New York simple thighs are so to speak, because 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.840 they haven't been making. You know, they got some cool 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.080 records now, dogs, I ain't this in New York. I 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:07.760 don't want to said. You didn't want to tell the truth. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.000 You just you know, they're not really making. They're not 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.440 really they're not really bringing no heat like that right now. Dog, Okay, 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.960 that's cool. It's not wrong with that. We gotta put 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.760 they got some cats, you know. It's the usual suspects. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.039 They're making the right records, like Nas is doing his 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.160 thing now. Um and he had a debate about that 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.960 the other day. He don't agree that Nas has has 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.720 dropped three classic projects back to back, just silly. He 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:39.120 has two weird saying that about Nas, especially these three 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.599 because his boy is my young nigga man. So to 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.160 have to debate with you that they are not classics, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.760 it's obvious they're not classics. Is the NAS is the 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.640 um is the comeback artist of the year, though, Dog 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.240 for him to reinvent himself the way he did Dog, 0:05:55.279 --> 0:06:00.560 and he didn't. He's going into his twentieth year. Dog, 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:06.440 he didn't reinvent himself. He didn't himself. He working with 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.800 younger artists. Now, huh, what is he now? He did 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:16.359 he reinvented himself. Let production, Dog and everything. Let me 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.080 ask you trying to say hit boy is a better 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.040 producer than the guys he was working with. That's what 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.640 you want to do, That's what you want with this 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.640 his first Grammy. Yeah, but the Gramm is a small 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.760 bunch of people saying they like your music. That ain't 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.680 what the public saying. And that's cool though, because I'm 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.479 trying to get them small amount of people to say 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:39.640 Glass I'm not. I'm just saying I agree that he's 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.719 took him in a different direction that he hasn't been in. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.400 But I wouldn't say that these are three classics, and 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.440 I wouldn't say he reinvented himself. But since we're talking 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:55.240 about nas right, this will be the first time I 0:06:55.320 --> 0:07:01.080 ever admitted this publicly. Nas be jay z in that 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:08.000 battle all of us. Never, I wouldn't ever ever, I 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.760 would never answer the question. Initially for me, I would 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.880 never answer the question where people say who like nobody cared? 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.720 Who want the battle? Who won the war? That was 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.920 always my response when people would talk about the battle 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.640 between j and Nas. I'm like, man, who won the war? 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.320 You feel me? That was my respond when somebody said 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.320 you want the battle. But for the first time in 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.640 my life, I'll admit Nas won the battle, and I'll 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:36.960 admit Ether is a top five all time greatest dish record. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.640 It might be number two. It's between hit him Up 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.880 and that one. M oh hit him up with some ship, 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.000 you know what? You know what? I loved hit him 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.040 Up as a record dog. What I didn't like about 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:55.360 it was that it was so personal, but either was 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.520 personally when you know what Ether had to be personal 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.560 you think about it, ja, not the niggas baby Mama 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.800 down that that didn't come out till after that was 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.680 after well, he said in the takeover, because you know who, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.120 did you know what to you know who to keep 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.280 that between me and you? But he didn't, Yeah, but 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.800 it was implied he didn't say it. I think we 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.280 were on the West, so we didn't know, but I 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.560 think it was a common kind of gossip point in 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:24.200 New York that he had knocked down Carmen So when 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.040 he said that don't take up takeover as a nasty 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:32.760 as dish record over. Actually, if they had a different timeline, 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.680 those records came out of different sequences, Like Jake got 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:41.440 two emotional on on Super it was just two emotional. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.360 It was like it was like it was it was 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.959 whack dog And it was so uncharacteristic of jacause j 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.160 is always the cool nigger. I guess picture and Papa 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.320 some penis just sitting back right in his bar, like, yeah, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.160 I'm about to serve this nigging. I'm gonna tell you 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.640 who else to funk niggers over and he's probably gonna 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.640 go down. It's one of the greatest dis nigger makers 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.640 of all time. Is push your teeth man, that push 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:07.120 your to the drake. That ship was like, and that's 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.679 I'm gonna tell you why pushing T is. So I'm 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.280 gonna tell you why and push your t almost got 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.640 my favorite disc record of all time. I'm not mad 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:20.320 at he almost got it, because not only did he 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.040 put off quality disc records. They was against the top 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:29.079 flight opponents, like he only against he only yeah when 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.319 he went at Wayne, that's when that's mixtape wheezy. You 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.280 see what I'm saying. He served Wayne? Um, I was glad. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.200 You know I wouldn't say served Wayne. Wayne definitely didn't 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:43.760 push the battle dog contract or funk up against That 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.200 means you all fucked up. You signed a one, niggative 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.880 signed to another, niggat signed a three. But again, those 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.880 those weren't dish records. Those was bars within regular joints. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.199 Don't get me wrong here. That story of of yeah, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.320 whatever how you pronounced that Addie down or however you 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.960 pronounced it, that ship was like, what's crazy? Is like that? 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.959 That dis record was so fucking dope. I remember listening 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.680 just being like, damn, this nigger sounds like a nigg 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.280 out the nineties. But speaking of that nigger he was battling. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.080 Feel me, Drake back to back should be in the 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.160 top ten disc records of all time. Drake understood Dog, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.360 I think Drake really understood and Drake and Rap Dog, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.960 I'm like, I'm Drake and rap his as I and 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.800 I get a lot of slack. I think people think 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.760 of me like I hate drinking. It's like, bro, if 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.360 you met Drake, I met him. He's a cool guy 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.120 like I have. He's one of those guys you're happy 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.599 for when they win. But I've always been honest and 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.640 understand that he's not hip hop. He's not a part 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.640 of the culture. And I'm not saying the part of music. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.360 He's not a part of what hip hop is, and 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.959 you don't have to be he's one. You don't think 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.360 he's the embodiment of embodiment of hip hop. I'm sure 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:02.480 he would disagree, because everybody wants you he said who. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.480 I think he's a cat that loved and respects the 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.200 art form. No, I think on I think he's a 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.840 super fan of it. I think he has an entitlement 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.679 to be around it and he does study it. It's 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.400 a lot of love for Drake Drake has for hip hop. Man, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.440 I'm not saying that. That's not the point I'm saying 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.320 with hip hop embodies, he doesn't embody and that's fine. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.760 You don't have to what I'm saying. It's the confusion 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.880 that you have to that Nigga is one of the 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.800 greatest rappers ever. It's a fantastic manage stream rapper, but 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.920 again back to Back. It's one of those joints that's 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.240 a top ten Dish record. I'm saying. When you hear 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.160 back to Back, and I listened to it the other day, 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.720 I was actually trying to funk with the hats from 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.120 from it for it on another record I had, and 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.560 it's just really really good. Yeah, I feel really uncomfortable 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.360 for Meet Meal. When Drake came up with it, I said, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:58.760 damn me, what's funny is I found myself because I 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.120 felt like Meet kind of opped out on some weird 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.920 ship like tom a niggas retweeting albums. I kind of 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:09.520 look like he was reaching dog. I think nothing. You 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.959 know what? Meek though, he thought that Drake was the soft, 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.079 light skinned white boy in high school and he thought 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:18.760 he was gonnaight. So I found myself kind of rooting 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.120 for him, Drake to stand up for itself and man, 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.400 when he dropped back the back, I remember just being enamorous. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:30.280 So which brings me to my next question, where did 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.680 it go from battling? Like right? So? To me, the 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.160 greatest Dish record of the eighties is people say Roxane, 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.320 but I think Revenge It Rod. But I think the 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.240 greatest dish record of all time at that time period 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.240 is I mean, of all time in the eighties is 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.320 the bridge is over? Mmm. I would probably give you 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.880 that dog because at that time you gotta remember cares 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.280 One was coming from a position of being a he wasn't. 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.520 He wasn't his popping as to choose true Juice Crew 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.640 was popping at that time. Of course, it's almost the 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.240 equivalent that something Niked coming out of nowhere and just 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.360 this and TV and then and then having to say, like, really, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.120 you know what I'm saying, it really happening to where 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.200 he liked talking about he running through the Nickerson Guardens, 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.920 he coming to company and doing this and he really 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.200 smashed n from Gardina or something, you know what I'm saying. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.520 So the question I'm asking not from Guardina. The Bronx 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.600 is not Guardina. That's no. My Nigga is gonna pack 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.000 you out over there. Uh And Gardena ain't no pump, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.440 but they ain't the Bronx. It's just different. But I 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.160 would say the Bronx is probably more watts than anything 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.600 else Bronxes some ship. But so no, the question I 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:47.840 was asking is when did it go from simple battling 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.760 like that time with them dudes could battle and hash 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.360 out they they you know, who wants to be better 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:58.400 on records into where it's that now where this records 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.920 are getting people killed, like with with with you know 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.360 what possibly happened with young Dolf where dis records for 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:08.520 sure got him shot up a couple of times, for 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.360 sure got him shot up a couple of times those 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.560 same ditch records. And they were saying the same ship 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.040 about each other, Like it wasn't like Chris, you know 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.400 caress one was and Attis was like, hey, you know 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.200 I rap better than you guys, I'm just better. He 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.480 was talking shit. He was talking about how how you 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.880 look niggas swag, nigga's bummy, talking about the whole town 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:36.560 like he literally talks Yeah, Like he went also, how 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.480 didn't at that time because he was saying the same 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.840 fucked up ship. How at that time was it just 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:47.000 battling versus today where it's like literally like this ship 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.840 is a real implication of like niggas is tripping over it. Well, 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.560 I think I think it's gotten worse, but I think 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.840 it was always that, Like didn't Cube and Lynch Rob 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.280 have like issues with Easy Ease Crew, and like there 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.520 was fights and stuff that broke out. It didn't it 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.320 didn't get you know, that far, because I don't think that, 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.000 like it's kind of weird, man. I think again, I 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.400 hate to always connect it to this, but social media 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:18.040 has really created this extra level of bravado and embarrassment 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.040 and like where you can't like someone can't say nothing 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.560 because like you, you know, you could be tuned in 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.000 live and some you know, you might have fifty just 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.360 fifty followers or people fifty people viewing, but to you, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.720 that's the whole world. If somebody this is you, So 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:36.640 now you feel like you gotta you know, uh, protect 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.320 your manhood. And and that's and these dudes are young, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.720 so they're young dealing with this um a lot of them. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.800 But like in the young Dolf case, like I mean, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.960 he's an older guy, right, he was about thirty something, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.400 thirty six, thirty seven, So you know, at that point, 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.480 I think, now you start dealing with cruise and the 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.880 young cats that run with the older dudes and and 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.600 O g s not really doing stuff to prove the right, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.520 you know, and and then older guys you know, not 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.320 acting accordingly bro, Like, I think we run into that 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.800 all the time. Probably all three of us still glasses me. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.120 You know, we yeah, we're we're older, but we still 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.360 relatively look young. We we we've taken care of ourselves. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.040 We're not big, you know, we don't wear ourselves out. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.920 So sometimes you you know, certain cats, they come to 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.320 you and you try to give them grown advice even 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.080 though we might look young. Up here is where it's at, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.400 so we're giving actual knowledge and understanding. Like, yo, Bro, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.800 I wouldn't do that because this that in the third 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.760 whereas uh, it's a lot of dudes that are older. 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.680 Now I won't name any names, but you know, some 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.480 cats that I look at already in their late forties, 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.200 early fifties, and they still out there kind of acting 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.520 like young dudes. So if they're not giving guidance to 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.160 these young boys, like my favorite story was when they said, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.160 uh Nori said that you know, they was gonna go 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.800 at uh pock with the disks. I'm sorry, not pock 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.160 uh DPG with the l A L A record And 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.480 Big told him, and Big was still young at the time, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.080 but was their big homie. He was still older than them, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.280 and he was like, nah, man, don't respond to that, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.480 like that's what you should be doing, right, but not 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.199 saying that what you say that they're gonna follow, but 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.800 just saying that at least try try to implement something 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.040 to where they it detours them from doing that kind 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.639 of bullshit because they real trigger happy now and and 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.920 it's not people say put the gun down and fight. Man. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.159 Now they take an ass whooping and they still you 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.639 whip their ass, They're gonna come back and shoot you. 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.520 You know what, I never thought about that. He made 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.080 a good point. Kill get end up getting into it ruthless, 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.560 they end up fighting where at Jack the rapper, right, Yeah, 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.680 but you know, in those situations, g there was never 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.280 the remote possibility of somebody getting killed. I don't think. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.240 I don't. I don't think they believe. I believe that 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.680 just me talking to different casts like Bob around there. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.480 It was some scraps because you gotta remember with them 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.320 it was too because it just wasn't a rap record. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.560 Because I heard actually nigga sat around to laugh about 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.560 that ship. I heard when they heard it was like, damn, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.640 that ship is hard, you know what I mean. I'm cool. 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:14.000 I know them niggas. First off, my man, Pete has jumped, 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:20.240 Pete has entered and checked. Yeah, you know, let's let's 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.080 keep laying on this g because at that time, man, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.439 you gotta remember, right, Bob was doing a lot of 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.000 production for Ques. But at that time, you know, at 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.560 that time when he went solo and Stuffy and he 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.840 and he still knew Ran and them because you know, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.800 he was the in the house producer for Ruthless at 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.679 that time, you know, he kind of took that stuff 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.480 over and it was some laughs and jokes about that. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.680 You gotta remember, his beef wasn't really n W eight. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.439 That was more side crew stuff. Q wouldn't fight nobody. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:57.280 Lynch Mob was scrapping. But but I'm saying then that 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.600 means if you can fight, that means it's possible somebody 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:05.080 can shoot. I'm gonna tell you the thing that Tony 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.440 said about social media and just the youth of today, 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.200 and this ain't. I ain't gonna turn this into no 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.520 thing like the day's kids all bad because a lot 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.639 of ways, and because in a lot of ways, the 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.840 youth for this era are more mature than the so 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.959 called Oh jeez, look at the madness that's going on 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.960 online all these dudes over for the you know. But 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.920 the thing, you know, keep keeping this about hip hop, dog, 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.640 I just think right now, the lightest on you so much. 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.000 See back then, you can get beat up and nobody 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:35.800 would ever see the fight. They would just hear about it. 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:37.280 You feel what I'm saying. It was the same thing 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.960 with music. People were just kind of here and they 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.199 didn't get to see who all went through stuff. It's like, 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.000 now you did somebody you go see a video to 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.040 come along with it. They go climb and they may 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.320 be going through your neighborhood. So if you've come to 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.160 a little bit of like just an extra you brisk 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.880 and extra arrogance, dude, where when you're pride of your 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:01.159 egoist bruised, it's almost like equipment that somebody getting their 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.320 grass whoop in front of their girl because their girlfriend 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.199 got to hear this record. They're like, damn, he fu 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.120 my dude up. You know what I mean. It's like 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.840 some ships you just came to, not m hm. And 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.320 I think people can't handle it, bro. Sometimes people can't 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.480 handle get hit in my front of their girl. Well. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:23.040 I think what's crazy too, is that even East Coast 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:28.720 hip hop now it's gotten violent where there's used to 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:33.760 be more on wax. I don't know if you guys 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.960 agree or not, but I felt like it was more 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:41.040 understood that or expected for a West Coast beef to 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.520 actually happen where someone might get shot or beat up 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.520 or something like that. You know what I mean. And 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.879 it's all about I'm gonna tell you social media and 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.200 the Internet plays a huge part of it because now 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.000 what it is, you just don't have the respect of 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.960 the perspective crews going back and forth. You have these 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.320 people online that don't have a life, and people look 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.199 at the comments. Dude, If you look at the comments, 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.679 people take sides. They become a part of movements. So 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.640 when you to do this, you know that that possibly 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.959 took the bad one and one of these battles. You know, 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.040 you can't help you get looking at the comments and 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.840 all that stuff. You're like, because it seems so much 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.440 bigger than what it is in reality, nobody gives a funk, 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:25.040 you know what I'm saying. I never what's funny is 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:30.320 I never thought to myself like um as like with 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.000 the dish records, people dishing each other. I don't think 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.600 I tris made a good point. Maybe it's never been 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.040 like that. Maybe that's all in our head that it 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.120 was a space too to put out a record disrespecting 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:48.440 somebody else and then not actually become real world consequences. 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:50.760 I'm gonna tell you what what the traders are saying 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.560 it rings so true. And you know, when did we 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.159 start a podcast? It was a while ago, right, it 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.800 was way before things or something. Yeah, so you figured 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.040 when we started to do there weren't as many people 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:09.359 from the hip hop community involved in podcasting. And I 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.040