Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no
Speaker 1: Sillers podcast with your host. Now fun that with your
Speaker 1: low classes, Malone, I'm not really trying to dis other raptors.
Speaker 1: I have no problem doing it, but I'm not because
Speaker 1: for sure, I'm not dissing niggas for free. Like I
Speaker 1: look at a lot of nigga's home funny, like these
Speaker 1: niggas are dishing each other's free of all time, of
Speaker 1: all time, Tony, what's your favorite dish record of all time?
Speaker 1: I'll say the one that I have memorized that it's
Speaker 1: never left my brain was second Round Knock Knockout the
Speaker 1: Cannabis Joint And would you like so much about it?
Speaker 1: He just went in. The beat was hard, he had
Speaker 1: Tyson on it. It was raws and he was just
Speaker 1: getting off. Like everything he was saying was like personals,
Speaker 1: like he it was a Noho's bar. He just went
Speaker 1: at until he came back and water the ass. Hold,
Speaker 1: I don't even get into I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: And we go man. He said that Nigga, it Will said,
Speaker 1: you're swinging. You're swinging a rusty sword, but I swing
Speaker 1: the excalibur. That's great. It went in on that nigger. Man.
Speaker 1: He went on that you for your vanguard or the
Speaker 1: ward for your front of your mom, your first, second,
Speaker 1: and third bar barn? What else did he says? Make
Speaker 1: your mom get on the horn called minutes the fair
Speaker 1: Fair con Yeah, I know, what's your favorite diss record
Speaker 1: of all time? Big bro? Man? You know what, Man?
Speaker 1: I got so many on so many different levels. Man,
Speaker 1: I kind of like when MC like, we're answering their
Speaker 1: ass out with temper cent disc up. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Your sister used to listen to that, You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because it's like that's where you
Speaker 1: get the whole ship goddamn hole. He we go again.
Speaker 1: You know a bunch of motherfucker's. Whenever you get people
Speaker 1: quoting your dishes, Dog, it's like even niggers don't quote
Speaker 1: that goddamn hole. Here we go again. And that was
Speaker 1: the first time I really heard somebody cussing on the
Speaker 1: record like that, like damn, Like, oh, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? But I would have to say, man, possibly
Speaker 1: one of the greatest dish tracks of all time. It's
Speaker 1: ice Cube no Vaseline Dog. It's my favorite record of
Speaker 1: all time because it was just so it was just
Speaker 1: so personal dog like, you know. It's like because Cube
Speaker 1: was being cool, he had this amicable split to where
Speaker 1: he wasn't saying nothing, and they kind of went in
Speaker 1: on him a little bit, you know, with a skit.
Speaker 1: It's like it was the equivalent of me hitting somebody
Speaker 1: with a spit ball and then turning around with an
Speaker 1: a K forty seven and just opened the my chest up.
Speaker 1: Damn damn, because that's what it was. They came with
Speaker 1: a skill we gonna cook your curl off of fuck
Speaker 1: you ice Cube and this and that little skit that
Speaker 1: sounded good. Who he came back with, God damn, I'm glad,
Speaker 1: y'all set it off, which is kind of a little
Speaker 1: old m C light this. God damn hoh, here we
Speaker 1: go again. God damn. Mom legs, y'all set it off.
Speaker 1: Used to be hard. Now you just wouldn't. So first
Speaker 1: she was done with the a K. Now I see
Speaker 1: you on a video. I seen that video. I've seen
Speaker 1: that video for the first time. The other day was
Speaker 1: Easy and it was a mission lay South. I think
Speaker 1: it was Nicety and or something. Niggas was dressed like
Speaker 1: Easy was dressed like an angel. Or something, and Dre
Speaker 1: had on this weird suit and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I never seen this video. But then it made no
Speaker 1: Vasiline make so much more sense. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I get what he meant now, I see you on
Speaker 1: the video with Mission La, no Sailing, no ceilings, g L.
Speaker 1: My man Peter running a little late. He was watching
Speaker 1: some clothes. I thought he was hanging out with a horror.
Speaker 1: I brought my man Tony Nario, one of my partners,
Speaker 1: you feel Me Rhyme, a real hip hop historian um
Speaker 1: hip hop in his title you Feel Me So, and
Speaker 1: the cord is my big bro, my manager and resident
Speaker 1: and the reason I actually podcast for real big stealers here.
Speaker 1: And it's dope to have y'all here to talk about
Speaker 1: this conversation because between both of your knowledge of hip hop,
Speaker 1: with neither one of you guys being from New York,
Speaker 1: I thought, that's dope what you're saying. I thought it's
Speaker 1: dope that neither one of y'all are from New York.
Speaker 1: But with y'all two together, I have a ton of like,
Speaker 1: I can access a ton of things about hip hop
Speaker 1: because of how deep y'all go back into the culture.
Speaker 1: And y'all love it, especially in New York. Y'all have
Speaker 1: a very serious preference of New York hip hop or
Speaker 1: hip hop or New York sympathizers very much. So you
Speaker 1: agree with, yeah, a little something something, Man, I'm just
Speaker 1: like good records. Dog, I don't really know if I'm
Speaker 1: a New York simple thighs are so to speak, because
Speaker 1: they haven't been making. You know, they got some cool
Speaker 1: records now, dogs, I ain't this in New York. I
Speaker 1: don't want to said. You didn't want to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: You just you know, they're not really making. They're not
Speaker 1: really they're not really bringing no heat like that right now. Dog, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's cool. It's not wrong with that. We gotta put
Speaker 1: they got some cats, you know. It's the usual suspects.
Speaker 1: They're making the right records, like Nas is doing his
Speaker 1: thing now. Um and he had a debate about that
Speaker 1: the other day. He don't agree that Nas has has
Speaker 1: dropped three classic projects back to back, just silly. He
Speaker 1: has two weird saying that about Nas, especially these three
Speaker 1: because his boy is my young nigga man. So to
Speaker 1: have to debate with you that they are not classics,
Speaker 1: it's obvious they're not classics. Is the NAS is the
Speaker 1: um is the comeback artist of the year, though, Dog
Speaker 1: for him to reinvent himself the way he did Dog,
Speaker 1: and he didn't. He's going into his twentieth year. Dog,
Speaker 1: he didn't reinvent himself. He didn't himself. He working with
Speaker 1: younger artists. Now, huh, what is he now? He did
Speaker 1: he reinvented himself. Let production, Dog and everything. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you trying to say hit boy is a better
Speaker 1: producer than the guys he was working with. That's what
Speaker 1: you want to do, That's what you want with this
Speaker 1: his first Grammy. Yeah, but the Gramm is a small
Speaker 1: bunch of people saying they like your music. That ain't
Speaker 1: what the public saying. And that's cool though, because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get them small amount of people to say
Speaker 1: Glass I'm not. I'm just saying I agree that he's
Speaker 1: took him in a different direction that he hasn't been in.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say that these are three classics, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he reinvented himself. But since we're talking
Speaker 1: about nas right, this will be the first time I
Speaker 1: ever admitted this publicly. Nas be jay z in that
Speaker 1: battle all of us. Never, I wouldn't ever ever, I
Speaker 1: would never answer the question. Initially for me, I would
Speaker 1: never answer the question where people say who like nobody cared?
Speaker 1: Who want the battle? Who won the war? That was
Speaker 1: always my response when people would talk about the battle
Speaker 1: between j and Nas. I'm like, man, who won the war?
Speaker 1: You feel me? That was my respond when somebody said
Speaker 1: you want the battle. But for the first time in
Speaker 1: my life, I'll admit Nas won the battle, and I'll
Speaker 1: admit Ether is a top five all time greatest dish record.
Speaker 1: It might be number two. It's between hit him Up
Speaker 1: and that one. M oh hit him up with some ship,
Speaker 1: you know what? You know what? I loved hit him
Speaker 1: Up as a record dog. What I didn't like about
Speaker 1: it was that it was so personal, but either was
Speaker 1: personally when you know what Ether had to be personal
Speaker 1: you think about it, ja, not the niggas baby Mama
Speaker 1: down that that didn't come out till after that was
Speaker 1: after well, he said in the takeover, because you know who,
Speaker 1: did you know what to you know who to keep
Speaker 1: that between me and you? But he didn't, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was implied he didn't say it. I think we
Speaker 1: were on the West, so we didn't know, but I
Speaker 1: think it was a common kind of gossip point in
Speaker 1: New York that he had knocked down Carmen So when
Speaker 1: he said that don't take up takeover as a nasty
Speaker 1: as dish record over. Actually, if they had a different timeline,
Speaker 1: those records came out of different sequences, Like Jake got
Speaker 1: two emotional on on Super it was just two emotional.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like it was it was
Speaker 1: whack dog And it was so uncharacteristic of jacause j
Speaker 1: is always the cool nigger. I guess picture and Papa
Speaker 1: some penis just sitting back right in his bar, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm about to serve this nigging. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: who else to funk niggers over and he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: go down. It's one of the greatest dis nigger makers
Speaker 1: of all time. Is push your teeth man, that push
Speaker 1: your to the drake. That ship was like, and that's
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why pushing T is. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why and push your t almost got
Speaker 1: my favorite disc record of all time. I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at he almost got it, because not only did he
Speaker 1: put off quality disc records. They was against the top
Speaker 1: flight opponents, like he only against he only yeah when
Speaker 1: he went at Wayne, that's when that's mixtape wheezy. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. He served Wayne? Um, I was glad.
Speaker 1: You know I wouldn't say served Wayne. Wayne definitely didn't
Speaker 1: push the battle dog contract or funk up against That
Speaker 1: means you all fucked up. You signed a one, niggative
Speaker 1: signed to another, niggat signed a three. But again, those
Speaker 1: those weren't dish records. Those was bars within regular joints.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong here. That story of of yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever how you pronounced that Addie down or however you
Speaker 1: pronounced it, that ship was like, what's crazy? Is like that?
Speaker 1: That dis record was so fucking dope. I remember listening
Speaker 1: just being like, damn, this nigger sounds like a nigg
Speaker 1: out the nineties. But speaking of that nigger he was battling.
Speaker 1: Feel me, Drake back to back should be in the
Speaker 1: top ten disc records of all time. Drake understood Dog,
Speaker 1: I think Drake really understood and Drake and Rap Dog,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm Drake and rap his as I and
Speaker 1: I get a lot of slack. I think people think
Speaker 1: of me like I hate drinking. It's like, bro, if
Speaker 1: you met Drake, I met him. He's a cool guy
Speaker 1: like I have. He's one of those guys you're happy
Speaker 1: for when they win. But I've always been honest and
Speaker 1: understand that he's not hip hop. He's not a part
Speaker 1: of the culture. And I'm not saying the part of music.
Speaker 1: He's not a part of what hip hop is, and
Speaker 1: you don't have to be he's one. You don't think
Speaker 1: he's the embodiment of embodiment of hip hop. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he would disagree, because everybody wants you he said who.
Speaker 1: I think he's a cat that loved and respects the
Speaker 1: art form. No, I think on I think he's a
Speaker 1: super fan of it. I think he has an entitlement
Speaker 1: to be around it and he does study it. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of love for Drake Drake has for hip hop. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. That's not the point I'm saying
Speaker 1: with hip hop embodies, he doesn't embody and that's fine.
Speaker 1: You don't have to what I'm saying. It's the confusion
Speaker 1: that you have to that Nigga is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest rappers ever. It's a fantastic manage stream rapper, but
Speaker 1: again back to Back. It's one of those joints that's
Speaker 1: a top ten Dish record. I'm saying. When you hear
Speaker 1: back to Back, and I listened to it the other day,
Speaker 1: I was actually trying to funk with the hats from
Speaker 1: from it for it on another record I had, and
Speaker 1: it's just really really good. Yeah, I feel really uncomfortable
Speaker 1: for Meet Meal. When Drake came up with it, I said,
Speaker 1: damn me, what's funny is I found myself because I
Speaker 1: felt like Meet kind of opped out on some weird
Speaker 1: ship like tom a niggas retweeting albums. I kind of
Speaker 1: look like he was reaching dog. I think nothing. You
Speaker 1: know what? Meek though, he thought that Drake was the soft,
Speaker 1: light skinned white boy in high school and he thought
Speaker 1: he was gonnaight. So I found myself kind of rooting
Speaker 1: for him, Drake to stand up for itself and man,
Speaker 1: when he dropped back the back, I remember just being enamorous.
Speaker 1: So which brings me to my next question, where did
Speaker 1: it go from battling? Like right? So? To me, the
Speaker 1: greatest Dish record of the eighties is people say Roxane,
Speaker 1: but I think Revenge It Rod. But I think the
Speaker 1: greatest dish record of all time at that time period
Speaker 1: is I mean, of all time in the eighties is
Speaker 1: the bridge is over? Mmm. I would probably give you
Speaker 1: that dog because at that time you gotta remember cares
Speaker 1: One was coming from a position of being a he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't his popping as to choose true Juice Crew
Speaker 1: was popping at that time. Of course, it's almost the
Speaker 1: equivalent that something Niked coming out of nowhere and just
Speaker 1: this and TV and then and then having to say, like, really,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it really happening to where
Speaker 1: he liked talking about he running through the Nickerson Guardens,
Speaker 1: he coming to company and doing this and he really
Speaker 1: smashed n from Gardina or something, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the question I'm asking not from Guardina. The Bronx
Speaker 1: is not Guardina. That's no. My Nigga is gonna pack
Speaker 1: you out over there. Uh And Gardena ain't no pump,
Speaker 1: but they ain't the Bronx. It's just different. But I
Speaker 1: would say the Bronx is probably more watts than anything
Speaker 1: else Bronxes some ship. But so no, the question I
Speaker 1: was asking is when did it go from simple battling
Speaker 1: like that time with them dudes could battle and hash
Speaker 1: out they they you know, who wants to be better
Speaker 1: on records into where it's that now where this records
Speaker 1: are getting people killed, like with with with you know
Speaker 1: what possibly happened with young Dolf where dis records for
Speaker 1: sure got him shot up a couple of times, for
Speaker 1: sure got him shot up a couple of times those
Speaker 1: same ditch records. And they were saying the same ship
Speaker 1: about each other, Like it wasn't like Chris, you know
Speaker 1: caress one was and Attis was like, hey, you know
Speaker 1: I rap better than you guys, I'm just better. He
Speaker 1: was talking shit. He was talking about how how you
Speaker 1: look niggas swag, nigga's bummy, talking about the whole town
Speaker 1: like he literally talks Yeah, Like he went also, how
Speaker 1: didn't at that time because he was saying the same
Speaker 1: fucked up ship. How at that time was it just
Speaker 1: battling versus today where it's like literally like this ship
Speaker 1: is a real implication of like niggas is tripping over it. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's gotten worse, but I think
Speaker 1: it was always that, Like didn't Cube and Lynch Rob
Speaker 1: have like issues with Easy Ease Crew, and like there
Speaker 1: was fights and stuff that broke out. It didn't it
Speaker 1: didn't get you know, that far, because I don't think that,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of weird, man. I think again, I
Speaker 1: hate to always connect it to this, but social media
Speaker 1: has really created this extra level of bravado and embarrassment
Speaker 1: and like where you can't like someone can't say nothing
Speaker 1: because like you, you know, you could be tuned in
Speaker 1: live and some you know, you might have fifty just
Speaker 1: fifty followers or people fifty people viewing, but to you,
Speaker 1: that's the whole world. If somebody this is you, So
Speaker 1: now you feel like you gotta you know, uh, protect
Speaker 1: your manhood. And and that's and these dudes are young,
Speaker 1: so they're young dealing with this um a lot of them.
Speaker 1: But like in the young Dolf case, like I mean,
Speaker 1: he's an older guy, right, he was about thirty something,
Speaker 1: thirty six, thirty seven, So you know, at that point,
Speaker 1: I think, now you start dealing with cruise and the
Speaker 1: young cats that run with the older dudes and and
Speaker 1: O g s not really doing stuff to prove the right,
Speaker 1: you know, and and then older guys you know, not
Speaker 1: acting accordingly bro, Like, I think we run into that
Speaker 1: all the time. Probably all three of us still glasses me.
Speaker 1: You know, we yeah, we're we're older, but we still
Speaker 1: relatively look young. We we we've taken care of ourselves.
Speaker 1: We're not big, you know, we don't wear ourselves out.
Speaker 1: So sometimes you you know, certain cats, they come to
Speaker 1: you and you try to give them grown advice even
Speaker 1: though we might look young. Up here is where it's at,
Speaker 1: so we're giving actual knowledge and understanding. Like, yo, Bro,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that because this that in the third
Speaker 1: whereas uh, it's a lot of dudes that are older.
Speaker 1: Now I won't name any names, but you know, some
Speaker 1: cats that I look at already in their late forties,
Speaker 1: early fifties, and they still out there kind of acting
Speaker 1: like young dudes. So if they're not giving guidance to
Speaker 1: these young boys, like my favorite story was when they said,
Speaker 1: uh Nori said that you know, they was gonna go
Speaker 1: at uh pock with the disks. I'm sorry, not pock
Speaker 1: uh DPG with the l A L A record And
Speaker 1: Big told him, and Big was still young at the time,
Speaker 1: but was their big homie. He was still older than them,
Speaker 1: and he was like, nah, man, don't respond to that,
Speaker 1: like that's what you should be doing, right, but not
Speaker 1: saying that what you say that they're gonna follow, but
Speaker 1: just saying that at least try try to implement something
Speaker 1: to where they it detours them from doing that kind
Speaker 1: of bullshit because they real trigger happy now and and
Speaker 1: it's not people say put the gun down and fight. Man.
Speaker 1: Now they take an ass whooping and they still you
Speaker 1: whip their ass, They're gonna come back and shoot you.
Speaker 1: You know what, I never thought about that. He made
Speaker 1: a good point. Kill get end up getting into it ruthless,
Speaker 1: they end up fighting where at Jack the rapper, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, in those situations, g there was never
Speaker 1: the remote possibility of somebody getting killed. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they believe. I believe that
Speaker 1: just me talking to different casts like Bob around there.
Speaker 1: It was some scraps because you gotta remember with them
Speaker 1: it was too because it just wasn't a rap record.
Speaker 1: Because I heard actually nigga sat around to laugh about
Speaker 1: that ship. I heard when they heard it was like, damn,
Speaker 1: that ship is hard, you know what I mean. I'm cool.
Speaker 1: I know them niggas. First off, my man, Pete has jumped,
Speaker 1: Pete has entered and checked. Yeah, you know, let's let's
Speaker 1: keep laying on this g because at that time, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, right, Bob was doing a lot of
Speaker 1: production for Ques. But at that time, you know, at
Speaker 1: that time when he went solo and Stuffy and he
Speaker 1: and he still knew Ran and them because you know,
Speaker 1: he was the in the house producer for Ruthless at
Speaker 1: that time, you know, he kind of took that stuff
Speaker 1: over and it was some laughs and jokes about that.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember, his beef wasn't really n W eight.
Speaker 1: That was more side crew stuff. Q wouldn't fight nobody.
Speaker 1: Lynch Mob was scrapping. But but I'm saying then that
Speaker 1: means if you can fight, that means it's possible somebody
Speaker 1: can shoot. I'm gonna tell you the thing that Tony
Speaker 1: said about social media and just the youth of today,
Speaker 1: and this ain't. I ain't gonna turn this into no
Speaker 1: thing like the day's kids all bad because a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, and because in a lot of ways, the
Speaker 1: youth for this era are more mature than the so
Speaker 1: called Oh jeez, look at the madness that's going on
Speaker 1: online all these dudes over for the you know. But
Speaker 1: the thing, you know, keep keeping this about hip hop, dog,
Speaker 1: I just think right now, the lightest on you so much.
Speaker 1: See back then, you can get beat up and nobody
Speaker 1: would ever see the fight. They would just hear about it.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. It was the same thing
Speaker 1: with music. People were just kind of here and they
Speaker 1: didn't get to see who all went through stuff. It's like,
Speaker 1: now you did somebody you go see a video to
Speaker 1: come along with it. They go climb and they may
Speaker 1: be going through your neighborhood. So if you've come to
Speaker 1: a little bit of like just an extra you brisk
Speaker 1: and extra arrogance, dude, where when you're pride of your
Speaker 1: egoist bruised, it's almost like equipment that somebody getting their
Speaker 1: grass whoop in front of their girl because their girlfriend
Speaker 1: got to hear this record. They're like, damn, he fu
Speaker 1: my dude up. You know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: some ships you just came to, not m hm. And
Speaker 1: I think people can't handle it, bro. Sometimes people can't
Speaker 1: handle get hit in my front of their girl. Well.
Speaker 1: I think what's crazy too, is that even East Coast
Speaker 1: hip hop now it's gotten violent where there's used to
Speaker 1: be more on wax. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: agree or not, but I felt like it was more
Speaker 1: understood that or expected for a West Coast beef to
Speaker 1: actually happen where someone might get shot or beat up
Speaker 1: or something like that. You know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: it's all about I'm gonna tell you social media and
Speaker 1: the Internet plays a huge part of it because now
Speaker 1: what it is, you just don't have the respect of
Speaker 1: the perspective crews going back and forth. You have these
Speaker 1: people online that don't have a life, and people look
Speaker 1: at the comments. Dude, If you look at the comments,
Speaker 1: people take sides. They become a part of movements. So
Speaker 1: when you to do this, you know that that possibly
Speaker 1: took the bad one and one of these battles. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't help you get looking at the comments and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You're like, because it seems so much
Speaker 1: bigger than what it is in reality, nobody gives a funk,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I never what's funny is
Speaker 1: I never thought to myself like um as like with
Speaker 1: the dish records, people dishing each other. I don't think
Speaker 1: I tris made a good point. Maybe it's never been
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe that's all in our head that it
Speaker 1: was a space too to put out a record disrespecting
Speaker 1: somebody else and then not actually become real world consequences.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what what the traders are saying
Speaker 1: it rings so true. And you know, when did we
Speaker 1: start a podcast? It was a while ago, right, it
Speaker 1: was way before things or something. Yeah, so you figured
Speaker 1: when we started to do there weren't as many people
Speaker 1: from the hip hop community involved in podcasting. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to be hypocriticals because because we are members
Speaker 1: of the hip hop community that got started early on
Speaker 1: in the technology. You're right, But since hip hop has
Speaker 1: got involved in podcast and I'm gonna tell you, they
Speaker 1: brought a certain level of bullshit to it too. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's I think it's just a confrontational art
Speaker 1: form anyway, bro, And especially today, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Everything is highlighted, everything is right there in front of
Speaker 1: you kind of roll and you can't escape it because
Speaker 1: you would be sitting down watching the movie on your
Speaker 1: phone and a notification to pop up with somebody talking
Speaker 1: ship from Australia to you. But again it's it's not
Speaker 1: even that's true. It does feel like it's a bigger
Speaker 1: world problem, but it's still very minimal, very minimal. But
Speaker 1: what's funny is it ain't exclusive to just hip hop.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Jamaine Jackson, this is brother. You fear me.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. You got a disrecord card word to the bag?
Speaker 1: You ever heard that peak? Yeah, huh, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: Just you just pick size. That's one thing I never did.
Speaker 1: I never picked size. I don't pick size. Maybe the
Speaker 1: closest I've picked a side in was Drake and Meek
Speaker 1: because I just wanted Drake to stand up for himself.
Speaker 1: I thought that was pick a side. I wanted me
Speaker 1: to come back and I wanted was that even you
Speaker 1: picking inside or just you liking the record more? Well, No,
Speaker 1: I wanted Great to stand up for himself. That was
Speaker 1: the thing. Like I didn't I thought that if if
Speaker 1: it's because your friends and you was disappointed that because
Speaker 1: didn't treat your album, you know, you could get on
Speaker 1: the phone a text cause and say, hey man, damn
Speaker 1: I need you to please tweet my album. Versus you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you asked him once and you don't want to
Speaker 1: ask him a second or third time. So your feelers
Speaker 1: was hurt. So then you decided, Okay, well I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get online and go at him regard it is just
Speaker 1: the truth for not you know, if that's your partner,
Speaker 1: where you funk with him, I mean, you could have
Speaker 1: did that. So I did want Drake to stand up.
Speaker 1: So that's the closest. But even with Cube and in
Speaker 1: w A, I never picked a side. When I was younger,
Speaker 1: with Dre and Easy, I enjoyed all the Dish records.
Speaker 1: I never picked a side. I never had to pick
Speaker 1: between Dred or Real or motherfucking jeez, you know, I
Speaker 1: never picked between those. What's your favorite dish record peak
Speaker 1: of all time? Oh? Man, that's that's a tough one. There,
Speaker 1: there's there's actually kind of soon some all right? Was
Speaker 1: you know? Um? I think I think what t I
Speaker 1: did the flip was pretty impressive. That was pretty all right. Um,
Speaker 1: some of the little back and forth in the day
Speaker 1: area been kind of cool. Real motherfucking Jesus is actually
Speaker 1: really good. That's pretty good. Like he the foot, All
Speaker 1: the records that were actually like big hit records that
Speaker 1: were diss records are definitely the best funny is Dre
Speaker 1: fun with Dre on the on the chronic that is
Speaker 1: one of the most like underrated and disrespected this of
Speaker 1: all times, we never talked about it because it was
Speaker 1: such a big smash record that I think we forget
Speaker 1: it was a straight up this. I didn't forget that
Speaker 1: Ship is amazing, but we never name it. And it's
Speaker 1: a fantastic this they cut off. Well, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was composed as a record. Easy also was never
Speaker 1: really respected as a rapper like that. I think that
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with Ship. Yes, I did
Speaker 1: when I was younger, but uh, real, motherfucking Jesus is
Speaker 1: like I said, when he came back with it, I
Speaker 1: thought it was just yeah, Loki, Okay, let me rephrase that,
Speaker 1: not as a rapper, but like as a like battle
Speaker 1: rappers at one time before that was happening with Cuban
Speaker 1: them like Cubas also kind of like looked at like
Speaker 1: almost like the lyricism of the East Coast mcity right
Speaker 1: like that was the whole the whole conversation back then.
Speaker 1: How good he was. So although I'm agreeing with you
Speaker 1: with Easy, he said, what you know, how good he was?
Speaker 1: Was he really looked at as an MC at that time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think RAP. I'm too young, but
Speaker 1: I don't think RAP. I mean, maybe did you gotta
Speaker 1: ask stealing them? I don't think RAP had that stigma
Speaker 1: of Maybe in New York they probably would have been
Speaker 1: talking about Easy, But I think the rest of the
Speaker 1: country took Easy East serious as hell, and he was
Speaker 1: a lot of people's favorite rapper. Off you guys, you
Speaker 1: don't mind. I think he was dope man. Easily didn't
Speaker 1: give a funk about none of that ship. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you know, Bob told me Easy to allay all
Speaker 1: all that ship was hilarious. He didn't care because Easy
Speaker 1: was in there for the coin. Man Easily give a
Speaker 1: funk about being looked at us the most revered rapper
Speaker 1: of all time. Easy wanted to check right because he
Speaker 1: made sure he had dope motherfucker's right in that city.
Speaker 1: Was saying, is it fair to say that Easy knew
Speaker 1: how to sell culture before snooped it? The coach? Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Iced Tea set the tone first, um with
Speaker 1: how you talk about it. Like before Iced Tea, everybody
Speaker 1: would be rapping about you know when it came to
Speaker 1: gangster rapp, they still would be rapping about being a
Speaker 1: dope rapper or about how good they DJ was, as
Speaker 1: well as the street stuff. I think with Iced Tea,
Speaker 1: you got the first record that was big where it
Speaker 1: wasn't about being a rapper. He didn't say ship about wrapping,
Speaker 1: he didn't say about DJs. He was like, yo, this
Speaker 1: is how we live in six in the morning, police
Speaker 1: shot my door fresh and the squeak across the bathroom
Speaker 1: floor out my back window to make my escape. Like
Speaker 1: he was just rapping about what it was like for
Speaker 1: them dudes when they and you know, and he was
Speaker 1: out there. So okay, So moving forward where huh? I
Speaker 1: also asked the questions a few minutes, thought, I look
Speaker 1: at kind of now it's been a little bit of
Speaker 1: an uptick, and like, I don't know how you got started.
Speaker 1: I wasn't here, but it seemed like you guys are
Speaker 1: kind of starting off how kind of getting manifestation of
Speaker 1: disk records kind of spilling over into a little bit
Speaker 1: more than verbal yeah lately. Yeah, And like for me personally,
Speaker 1: like I kind of and a tweener a little bit
Speaker 1: on generations and lived in a lot of cities back
Speaker 1: to back to back coming up, and I get the
Speaker 1: impression that, like the guys say, who came up in
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, like it was hard out, like
Speaker 1: it was a different time in eighty eight than it
Speaker 1: wasn't two thousand and eight, you know, just out there,
Speaker 1: and I feel like people to some degree had a
Speaker 1: little bit more respect for the other guy. And you
Speaker 1: come up and it's a little more top like when
Speaker 1: I had first moved to Oakland and know four people
Speaker 1: were polite in the club because it popped off so
Speaker 1: immediately that there was a looming cloud of consequences of
Speaker 1: all times. After a while, about about two thousand and
Speaker 1: fifteen in l A, what the riever funk they wanted
Speaker 1: and a lot of people just kind of really, this
Speaker 1: guy's just kind of all talk. And I feel like
Speaker 1: it got to a point where a lot of guys
Speaker 1: shot their mouth off a lot. And now you get
Speaker 1: on the podcast to get and a record. It can
Speaker 1: be kind of subtle. It can be like, oh, we
Speaker 1: took a jab in him. People now get on Instagram
Speaker 1: and get on a podcast whatever, and they're taking these
Speaker 1: long winded life way over the line attacks on people
Speaker 1: thinking they're not gonna do anything, and now they're actually
Speaker 1: doing something. And I think there's probably a little bit
Speaker 1: of a learning curve with the way people will conduct
Speaker 1: themselves is regards to respecting that the other guys. Am
Speaker 1: I gonna do something to you? Kind of Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But but what blows me away is this is not
Speaker 1: like exclusive to our culture, you know, exclusive like if
Speaker 1: you listen to UM, if you listen to Cordido's music, right,
Speaker 1: which is like that UM I call that's like Mexican cowboys.
Speaker 1: It's all about drug stories and ranchers and all of that,
Speaker 1: but it's really Mexican cowboys, and all of the ship
Speaker 1: itself was just about they have disc records. Motherfucker's is
Speaker 1: getting killed over records, all kind of ships. Some of
Speaker 1: the greatest cordido singers and of all time. If me
Speaker 1: got killed in the middle of rivalries between two different
Speaker 1: clicks where both clicks have a singer that represent them
Speaker 1: and they're talking about the other one, so yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Now I was gonna say that also has to do
Speaker 1: with what they're saying. Yeah, but but but what that's
Speaker 1: my point. I think I think it was always bad.
Speaker 1: I think now like if you look at the movement
Speaker 1: going on Jacksonville or the movement going on in Chicago. Obviously,
Speaker 1: now when they're making and composing these dish records, niggas
Speaker 1: is actually starting to talk about niggas dead friends and relatives.
Speaker 1: Like it's a song I always talked about, but it's
Speaker 1: out of Jacksonville. It's called who I Smoke? I thought
Speaker 1: were great. Yeah, so again it's it's one of those
Speaker 1: places to where I think we like to sensationalized the past,
Speaker 1: the eighties and the nineties, and like, oh it was cool.
Speaker 1: You could just put out dish records and niggas wouldn't
Speaker 1: have no problems. But like I said, Tony just made
Speaker 1: a good point, like shit, if if Cube is fighting
Speaker 1: niggas at a jack the Rapper, if Cuban and Lynch
Speaker 1: Mob is fighting niggas at a music convention, ship niggas
Speaker 1: was fighting in Q got into a situation with Cam
Speaker 1: where one of Cam's friends they got into it like
Speaker 1: a physical altercation. Um, the whole death row snoop, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, Pox gives me biggie thing that really didn't
Speaker 1: manifest into many fights and nothing. I mean, well, how
Speaker 1: about the quick thing that seemed like Quick came out
Speaker 1: consciously and put out the track to kind of gave
Speaker 1: some respect to what's going on, to try to make
Speaker 1: that out happen. Yeah, but even then, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean so, I don't quite know why back then,
Speaker 1: because them disse records were really bad, like dollars in
Speaker 1: sense my DJ Quick was really really bad. I think
Speaker 1: part of that was he had an impression like, hey,
Speaker 1: I made this a little bit more than a rap track,
Speaker 1: and those guys are right two lights down, and I
Speaker 1: think word gotta roight. I should probably come out and
Speaker 1: say so a little bit different, just pure speculation, but
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be irrational. Yeah. Yeah, So again it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where I can't really give you a
Speaker 1: good point of view, like I can't really tell you
Speaker 1: like what's really going on. Mm hmmm. I have no
Speaker 1: idea again tying it into maybe the Internet, social media, uh,
Speaker 1: young boys, boys and and older people just just in
Speaker 1: general people well desensitized. I don't but I don't even
Speaker 1: know if it's that right. I think that metaverse is
Speaker 1: a real thing. You feel me where you know maybe
Speaker 1: you're not hearing it, because back in the day you
Speaker 1: would hear it on the streets, right you would hear
Speaker 1: it on the streets, So if you went outside, you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear like so right now, you're gonna hear it
Speaker 1: in the metaverse if you log on feel me, if
Speaker 1: you log on the streets, the metaverse street, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the social media streets, they could get rough
Speaker 1: for you because that stually could get bad. So do
Speaker 1: you think someone that has to do with the fact
Speaker 1: that now the money so big that its some as
Speaker 1: you start recording, like you're kind of out of there
Speaker 1: to some degree. The more I think about it and
Speaker 1: talking to you all about it, you know what it is,
Speaker 1: hip hop and his truest form is a poor sport.
Speaker 1: It's a culture to work and and it's the same
Speaker 1: thing with gang banging, Like gang banging has this negative connotation,
Speaker 1: but the reality is it's just very primitive, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's a primitive way of solving everything.
Speaker 1: Everybody's operating in safe mode, basic, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: like there there aren't a ton of sophisticated solutions the
Speaker 1: things because people don't have a ton of stuff to
Speaker 1: live for, you know, they and weird situations where they
Speaker 1: can't take care of their kids there and weird situations
Speaker 1: where they can't earn a livable wage. Stuff that we
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, which makes you value life a
Speaker 1: lot less, what I'm saying. So, I think that's why
Speaker 1: hip hop kind of carries this stigma along with it,
Speaker 1: especially now with so many more rappers. Right, there's so
Speaker 1: many more rappers in hip hop, but hip hop is
Speaker 1: a poor sport. So again that behaviors at times are
Speaker 1: very primitive. They don't have sophisticated solutions. Again, because let's
Speaker 1: say the person who shot off, right, Let's say Dalf
Speaker 1: got killed because of the beef he had with the
Speaker 1: other rappers in Memphis. It wasn't most likely it wasn't
Speaker 1: either of the two millionaire rappers that shot him. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be a poor nigger that funk with them,
Speaker 1: a couple of poor niggers that funk with him, trying
Speaker 1: to pull their point, I mean, trying to gain rank
Speaker 1: within the organization and finally caught up to somebody, and
Speaker 1: now they're finna get their points without even the other
Speaker 1: rappers even knowing they're being affiliated with. Okay, and that
Speaker 1: you're saying, right, I mean, so at one time it
Speaker 1: was just on with all of them. For me, it
Speaker 1: was just on. So I'd imagine I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but I would like to believe bullets was going back
Speaker 1: and forth to some degree. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: just one true sending bullets. I'm saying. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: So I don't think huh if that was the case,
Speaker 1: that got there sooner and the terms, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: So I don't think that. Um, I don't think that
Speaker 1: they necessarily needed an improval because it never was off.
Speaker 1: It was always on. So you know, again, these dudes
Speaker 1: are part of gangs and cruise and ship. And again
Speaker 1: maybe maybe if Yo Gotti has a situation, Yo God,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get out the car and shoot everybody.
Speaker 1: Because he's a million dollar nigga. He gonna think about
Speaker 1: his life. His life got value, so he's gonna be
Speaker 1: real careful on what he do. What I'm saying, But
Speaker 1: the nigga that is trying to prove itself to Yo Gody,
Speaker 1: that belongs to the click, that thing loyal to falls
Speaker 1: this way and they'll do that ship for free, feel me.
Speaker 1: And again, if it ain't off, it ain't off. Not
Speaker 1: to mention, let's say, if something's going on between two
Speaker 1: cruis and something happened to one of that Nigga family members.
Speaker 1: For me, it didn't happen to no, no, no, let's
Speaker 1: say the big Man, but happened to some soldiers family members.
Speaker 1: He might can't let it go. Yeah, but again, so
Speaker 1: you don't think it ties into the into the actual,
Speaker 1: into the actual social media and just like when I'm
Speaker 1: talking about it's a senseless killing, like being desensitized to
Speaker 1: the fact that we see it all the time now,
Speaker 1: whether someone getting hit by a car or ran over,
Speaker 1: thrown off a claire for just random things that happened
Speaker 1: right like you you you really see people dying on
Speaker 1: social media, so it kind of becomes like, oh damn.
Speaker 1: Like obviously you feel sympathetic and empathetic when someone gets
Speaker 1: killed and shot, and you know, like, but think about it,
Speaker 1: like when the kid x x X tent passed away
Speaker 1: and they're filming him while he's shot, Bro, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? What are we doing as a society? Bro?
Speaker 1: The conversation right there. But I agree, I mean, I
Speaker 1: just think it's in though, I mean, I mean, but
Speaker 1: but again, yeah, maybe you're right. I mean, but then
Speaker 1: you can blame call of duty, you can blame grant
Speaker 1: them all that. I agree with it. I mean again
Speaker 1: ties into two movies and all kinds of stuff. Right, absolutely, Again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if the issue again is um something
Speaker 1: simple ast Oh, people are okay with other people dying
Speaker 1: because I think we all understand that and know that
Speaker 1: that has to happen. Even if we don't accept it,
Speaker 1: we understand it's going to happen. I think the massive
Speaker 1: society understands that. Yeah, but that's what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: something like knowing someone eventually will die. Like yes, like
Speaker 1: what we're saying pre gangs and stuff, there was always
Speaker 1: war historically, they were always war with people dying, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. This is not exclusive to hip
Speaker 1: hop or our communities right where people die you know, period. Again,
Speaker 1: But wouldn't you say that even gangs at one time
Speaker 1: had a code of ethics, Like dudes are getting smoked
Speaker 1: in front of their kids now bro in front of
Speaker 1: their wives. Yeah, but it's always gonna now determine your
Speaker 1: upbringing determines your ethics, right or if you care about
Speaker 1: how you would go out, then you will make those decisions.
Speaker 1: But again, man, people are doing some unsavory ship. Like,
Speaker 1: one thing I've I've learned to do is never say
Speaker 1: what I won't do because I don't know what's gonna
Speaker 1: compel me to do something. Again, I'm one of those
Speaker 1: types of people that always believe, like, I'll never let
Speaker 1: people make me not be me. But then again, you know,
Speaker 1: the more things you get to lose and the more
Speaker 1: people you love and you care about, certain ships start
Speaker 1: making you your character starts to devolve or evolve what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and then you start making different decisions based
Speaker 1: off what you have to lose. Right, and I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I guess like like like like prime example,
Speaker 1: like as a rapper, right, if I'm I'm not really
Speaker 1: trying to dis other rappers, I have no problem doing it.
Speaker 1: But I'm not because for sure, I'm not dissing niggas
Speaker 1: for free. Like I look at a lot of niggas home. Funny,
Speaker 1: like these niggas are dissing each other's free. What is
Speaker 1: the price for one of your dis tracks? Because I
Speaker 1: might start to go only this and the nigga if
Speaker 1: the world is watching, cannot this is a nigga for free?
Speaker 1: Can I disagree with you? Though? They're not dissing each
Speaker 1: other for free. They're dissing each other for popularity, bigger
Speaker 1: on on on to get likes, to to go viral.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you the problem in that, Like right,
Speaker 1: rest is soul Draco recipes for me, real talent to
Speaker 1: them seat when he dissed all of Inglewood, you as
Speaker 1: an Inglewood native, right you immediately have to have a
Speaker 1: feeling mindus that how much how much more popular can
Speaker 1: you get from this in Inglewood when you pass Nevada
Speaker 1: and don't nobody care about who you this it from Englewood?
Speaker 1: Like free to me, it's just if California, If Southern
Speaker 1: California is watching you, that's for free. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: beef with another average below average Southern California rapper. Like
Speaker 1: if we're gonna beef, feel we're gonna get in the streets.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna make no records. I ain't gonna talk
Speaker 1: about you on live. I'm not gonna talk about you
Speaker 1: on a radio interview. If we got beef for me,
Speaker 1: I'm not making no. A lot of niggas are gang
Speaker 1: members and they're making records about other gangs, like that's
Speaker 1: whack for me, Like, I'm not mad at no nigga
Speaker 1: who did it, But that's whacked to me because it's
Speaker 1: like what you're trying to insult them. I ain't never
Speaker 1: had beef with another hood and we're trying to assault
Speaker 1: each other. I'm not gonna meet you at the Shopper
Speaker 1: Center and be talking about your mama. Like, if we
Speaker 1: got issues, nigga, it's real issues, So feel me. It's
Speaker 1: real smoke that come with that. Ain't no joke, ain't
Speaker 1: no talking. I'm not even with the whole writing nigga's
Speaker 1: hoods on walls and whacking them out that ship, laying
Speaker 1: to me, if we've really got some problems, feel me.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the problems for real. But that's me
Speaker 1: and I'm and what I'm saying back to the point
Speaker 1: where Draco like him beefing with Inglewood is free. It
Speaker 1: has no real value. It literally can only come with
Speaker 1: trauma to what it did right, and it may had
Speaker 1: nothing to do, you know, the minds may have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with that particular situation, but it only could
Speaker 1: end that way. There was no way to go up
Speaker 1: because you are in the war in this and all
Speaker 1: of Inglewood. So if I'm with him, I would have
Speaker 1: told you straight up, like, because bro, like that ain't
Speaker 1: worth it. Someone asked me, like you from Ingleood. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm from Inglewood for show because I grew up
Speaker 1: in Ingwood. I go, I go, I go, but I go.
Speaker 1: When I've seen the record personally, I mean you yeah,
Speaker 1: But I didn't think it was a good record personally,
Speaker 1: So at that point I was just like, whatever, dude, like,
Speaker 1: he's not even good. That's how I felt right and then.
Speaker 1: But what I did tell them was now, the guys
Speaker 1: who represent the city, whether Mexican, black or whatever from Soldiers,
Speaker 1: I'm like, they might have a whole another outlook on
Speaker 1: how they look at it. I don't know. I can
Speaker 1: never speak for them because I don't do that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not in those trenches. But
Speaker 1: I wanted to connect to what you're saying, though. G Like,
Speaker 1: with everything you're saying, it's like, when did it go
Speaker 1: from just this competitive rat right to where it's at now.
Speaker 1: Somewhere along the line, I feel like you had situations.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, for the most part, usually
Speaker 1: the disc records were supposed to be about who was
Speaker 1: the better rapper, and then at a certain point, once
Speaker 1: the money came into play, it became about I'm better
Speaker 1: and I have more money than you, and I have
Speaker 1: more bitches than you, and I got more cars than you,
Speaker 1: and I got whatever. It was, right like, it was
Speaker 1: like I'm just better than you in life, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And and then that starts demeaning. Somebody
Speaker 1: say you do have more money than them or whatever
Speaker 1: like that leads to this and this real negative tension.
Speaker 1: So again, I think you always had that situation, but
Speaker 1: the early stages of hip hop was generally about who
Speaker 1: was better. Like the bridges over was literally about my
Speaker 1: borrows better than your borrow, right like yeah, but even
Speaker 1: then it was really disrespectful. What was it though? I
Speaker 1: mean it was, but I mean, where they're gonna kill
Speaker 1: each other over it? My fight. But that's my point, Like,
Speaker 1: here's the truth. If Chris goes the car as one,
Speaker 1: because if the teacher goes through Queens Bridge, let's say
Speaker 1: it goes to the housing project in Queen's Bridge, he
Speaker 1: probably doesn't leave there. Probably don't leave there, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, he probably won't leave there right after
Speaker 1: the bridge is over. How that felt. If you're from
Speaker 1: Queen's Bridge and you go to them projects, you probably
Speaker 1: don't leave there. So then so then it's fair to
Speaker 1: say we can tie it into social media, because now
Speaker 1: they will do that just to go I mean your hood,
Speaker 1: I mean your three in the morning. That happened with
Speaker 1: a cool dude, Kafani from the Bay and that's how
Speaker 1: he got I got paralyzed. And but Fani is dope,
Speaker 1: is folk? Who's that young kid? Did you show me
Speaker 1: his video? Bro? That he he did the video at
Speaker 1: the guys cemetery or like his Oh that's insane, bro.
Speaker 1: But again again it's one of those things where in
Speaker 1: that situation, it's still different, right because both of those
Speaker 1: guys are you know, top tier rap there above the
Speaker 1: average folk. There in that to me, there in that
Speaker 1: three percent out of rappers that people know, right, So yes,
Speaker 1: that's even though it's interesting. National brands huh, national brands
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, their national brands. So those two going
Speaker 1: at it, that's cool, you see me, Like, I get that,
Speaker 1: even though the deaf part that is big creepy. But
Speaker 1: I mean people talked about it for a day, so
Speaker 1: maybe that what he was trying to get, Like back
Speaker 1: to Draco, that ship is for free because you're not
Speaker 1: talking to national brands, you're talking about something with a
Speaker 1: whole city. I'm again, he's this in some rappers, but
Speaker 1: he he's also this in the streets. Who did he this?
Speaker 1: Because I never heard the names? So his his situation
Speaker 1: was with the love Honny ask chike uh A couple
Speaker 1: of dogs. But who was the other couple of other
Speaker 1: duds MAKA with that dope Frosty some really all of
Speaker 1: them guys, all of me, Draco, they was all really spectacler.
Speaker 1: Draco was like a real trendsettor. Like to me, Draco
Speaker 1: in one take, j are they have the most you know,
Speaker 1: they're the most influential rappers on the West Coast in
Speaker 1: the last probably five years, six years, like people got
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people kind of are influenced
Speaker 1: by what they do on the mike. So again, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do this ship for free. But I'm not fin
Speaker 1: a battle a nigga from l A. I'm not fin
Speaker 1: a disrecording a nigga from l A that that ain't
Speaker 1: even further than I am. Like if you just when
Speaker 1: I'm at or below where I'm at. Feel me if
Speaker 1: you're not like a platinum, multi platinum artist like I'm
Speaker 1: a gold artist. If you're not a multi platinum artist like,
Speaker 1: I'm not dissing you for what Like if we really
Speaker 1: got problems, I'm gonna see you and get with you.
Speaker 1: That's my belief. The one thing I respected about Pocket
Speaker 1: and how he framed his disrecords. I respected his business acumen.
Speaker 1: He understood the value of war. He understood how much
Speaker 1: war shaped economies and created billionaires and millionaires, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so when he did decided, you know,
Speaker 1: because I how do I say that everybody gonna be man,
Speaker 1: I don't get fun. He really Biggie didn't have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with him getting shot at all. He knew
Speaker 1: big didn't have something to do with him getting shot.
Speaker 1: But he knew if he shaped the conversation, the general
Speaker 1: public would feel that way. So then their beef looks
Speaker 1: like I'm mad you got me shot. So when he
Speaker 1: put out his disk record, remember that disk record doesn't
Speaker 1: come out to roughly June or his album came out
Speaker 1: in February. The dish record came out as a MAXI single.
Speaker 1: Right of how do You want it? So when how
Speaker 1: do You Want It? Came out as a record, they
Speaker 1: used to have these things called Maxi singles where they
Speaker 1: would include a couple of different singles. So it might
Speaker 1: have had how do you Want It? It might have
Speaker 1: had uh, it might have had um. I think I
Speaker 1: had California Love on it, and it also had uh
Speaker 1: uh goddamn song hit him up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So again he planned that whole thing. He understood the
Speaker 1: value of war, so he created a war. It was
Speaker 1: some stuff going on on the side, you know where
Speaker 1: it was simple competitiveness, right, and the dog pound thing
Speaker 1: did get kind of crazy because they did get shot at.
Speaker 1: Even though the person didn't shoot at him close. He
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to blow their head though, somebody could have
Speaker 1: got shot because no matter how far the trade. He
Speaker 1: talks and tells the story, he said, they were far
Speaker 1: away and they shot way over there, but somebody could
Speaker 1: have still got shot. So outside of that and all
Speaker 1: of this stuff at the source awards where they're competing,
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it was simple. It was competitive.
Speaker 1: When pot came, he made it feel real. And the
Speaker 1: reason it felt real is because we watched Pop get shot,
Speaker 1: you know, a year and a half before that or
Speaker 1: a year before that. It was in a wheelchair, wrapped
Speaker 1: up and we heard the stories. So again, once you
Speaker 1: figured that Biggie was in the actual vicinity in the building,
Speaker 1: he understood how to pitch the he understood how to
Speaker 1: control emotions and why people would feel like he's upset.
Speaker 1: He it didn't even matter that he told people Biggie
Speaker 1: didn't have nothing to do with it. He knew people
Speaker 1: would feel that way, and then he just compounded it
Speaker 1: with everything else about being better than him or not
Speaker 1: better than him, right, or the value in his wife.
Speaker 1: You know, how valuable was his wife to he could
Speaker 1: sleep with his wife, that made him more valuable than Biggie.
Speaker 1: So that's worth If you're gonna put out dish records
Speaker 1: like you know, let it do. Yeah, you gotta go
Speaker 1: top tier for the coin if that's what you're doing,
Speaker 1: you know, But if it's gonna be inner city like
Speaker 1: job in fifty cent, which back down is a fantastic
Speaker 1: this record, I mean, unbelievable, but okay, it's too national
Speaker 1: brand at least, so fifth coming up, he's he's he's
Speaker 1: on the way, but he's not quite well. He was
Speaker 1: there because waankster too. So if you're gonna do Inner
Speaker 1: City or Inner Borow at that point, at least let
Speaker 1: it be to national brands. So when you talk in
Speaker 1: the world is listening. I'm not talking in and making
Speaker 1: records for thirteen niggas to hear it. You feel me
Speaker 1: like I'll make you a good record for that. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna put out a record on some niggas. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that I might have to kill
Speaker 1: a nigga and I didn't pis him off and now
Speaker 1: he got to drop on me. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: shit because I'm looking to get at you. A lot
Speaker 1: of niggas get on social media. My take is and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tweet. I'm not gonna instagram you. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna put them on pictures. Tell you. I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna let you know I'm mad. If you did
Speaker 1: something to me and you know it's something you can
Speaker 1: rest ashore, you can bet your fucking bottom dollar, nigga,
Speaker 1: I'm coming. Feel me like the motherfucking tax man, Like
Speaker 1: I don't go saying, don't matter how long it takes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to you, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say nothing about it because I want to get away
Speaker 1: with it, and the point needs to be proven between
Speaker 1: me and you, not everybody else. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: show as an m C or as a street guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to show the world that I'm a
Speaker 1: street guy. This is personal. I'm building my resume to
Speaker 1: glasses so when I look in the mirror as I
Speaker 1: get older, the reason I don't tell is because when
Speaker 1: I look in the mirror, I want to be like
Speaker 1: I made it without telling, And whatever I do, I
Speaker 1: wanted to be known for me versus my amies. The
Speaker 1: way that I was taught was you do this so
Speaker 1: other people you know, know that you're about that ship.
Speaker 1: For me, it's about me. You don't gotta know whether
Speaker 1: I'm about that ship because I'm not gonna say nothing
Speaker 1: that's gonna get too far out of hand. She still
Speaker 1: got that stupid as Teddy Beer up there. I don't
Speaker 1: know what did he disappeared like? Thirty men? Oh Teddy Beer?
Speaker 1: That nice ass nigger. My favorite rap beef right now
Speaker 1: by far, just because of how long it's gone on.
Speaker 1: In the details and stuff I do like that massy
Speaker 1: cmmel beef. You know what I don't like about that
Speaker 1: ship is motherfucker's getting killed over that ship. Yeah, big top,
Speaker 1: but the fact that it's continues to go on and
Speaker 1: on amidst all of that that there was like term
Speaker 1: there's parole terms through advocacy as part of that beef.
Speaker 1: This from Yeah, that's a great on. He came out
Speaker 1: where if Lal though too, where he came out with
Speaker 1: the with the what's his name interview at the beginning
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, the after part one song, so got
Speaker 1: shot with the twelve hours, I just started to give
Speaker 1: a funk and then he does the whole song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I won't even listen to them records when niggas started
Speaker 1: getting killed, Yeah, talking about he put his cousin shot
Speaker 1: up in the back or something like that, and he
Speaker 1: gotta have um like a capital now he called him
Speaker 1: ship back such and such over there. I'm just like, dude,
Speaker 1: that's that's to me. That's what it is. Trash Like,
Speaker 1: once a nigga get shot, it ain't now. It ain't
Speaker 1: records no more. I'm not listening to no more rap records.
Speaker 1: I'm a log off completely because oh, this ship is serious.
Speaker 1: These tracks are effidentiary. Yeah, it's like a self snitching album. Well,
Speaker 1: what isn't that all the all the rappers do that?
Speaker 1: Ship now they snitch on themselves, bros. Is not killing nobody.
Speaker 1: The rappers themselves are rarely killing somebody. It's somebody in
Speaker 1: their crew or somebody. They're still snitching. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you're telling talking about it just to try to
Speaker 1: They're not saying, hey, this person killed this person. They're saying,
Speaker 1: yeah he is that is I'm not there's an injunction
Speaker 1: on on thirties, which there probably is. That dude is
Speaker 1: so so reco vulnerable. Yeah, that's crazy. Again Again, I'm
Speaker 1: not working with that. When motherfucker's started getting shot and ship,
Speaker 1: this ship real and now I'm not playing for me Now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it like a real situation with niggas
Speaker 1: is getting shot. That's different. But I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: the advocate of niggas getting out. I don't given how
Speaker 1: much cripping the black, I'm not the advocate of nigga
Speaker 1: shooting each other. Feel me and then me being a
Speaker 1: part of it or enjoying it. It's serious now, So
Speaker 1: now it was like either I'm just gonna log off
Speaker 1: for the whole ship. Fear me, I'm gonna log off,
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna try to become something in the middle
Speaker 1: of the Hey, this ship going too far. So in
Speaker 1: that particular situation, I logged off. Bro that ship got
Speaker 1: way too it was. It's dope when you're flexing rap
Speaker 1: skills and y'all maybe squabble a little better something. Oh
Speaker 1: nigga started popping niggas next to niggas and nigga start
Speaker 1: getting killed. You nigga is tripping. I'm not in the
Speaker 1: booth making no rap song. If a nigga killed one
Speaker 1: of my homeboys behind the rap shit, rap is done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's on now. Now we gotta get the catalysts. We
Speaker 1: gotta get the nucleus for the problem. We gotta go
Speaker 1: ahead and kill a whole sale. We gotta get right
Speaker 1: Filmily're gonna get the Yoka family. You're gonna beating egg Whites.
Speaker 1: Ain't no flavoring that ship because for sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the Yokes. So I don't know how.
Speaker 1: That's another thing, like I don't respect niggas who rapped
Speaker 1: after one of your friends get killed. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I'm not mad about getting no money,
Speaker 1: but if a nigga killed one of your friends, don't
Speaker 1: gonna you kill for his friends. Ain't nothing to wrap
Speaker 1: about them feel because you got to distinguish the problem
Speaker 1: in my mind. Mm hmm. That's and this records have
Speaker 1: just came to another height. Like I'm saying, it's like again,
Speaker 1: there's so many rappers now, so it seems like rappers
Speaker 1: is dying every week. Well, I think again, the problem
Speaker 1: happened with with hip hop in general, right, like what
Speaker 1: it looks at rap music, which part of hip hop,
Speaker 1: right is that it stopped being like I guess the
Speaker 1: era that maybe a lot of us grew up and
Speaker 1: where it was about what you're saying, like being good
Speaker 1: at what you're saying. Like I'm not saying that none
Speaker 1: of these guys aren't good, because there are guys that
Speaker 1: can rap, but I don't think that they value that
Speaker 1: as much anymore. Right, I don't agree with that they
Speaker 1: really you think they really? Man, I'm tight. I don't
Speaker 1: even hear nobody saying nothing like that, like there, oh
Speaker 1: she is still about I got money and I got this,
Speaker 1: and I got that and then I'll kill you and
Speaker 1: shoot you and suck your bitch and your wife. But
Speaker 1: you could date that back to nigga. What is the whole?
Speaker 1: What is no vass lead? God Damn. I'm glad y'all
Speaker 1: said it all used to be hard. Now you just
Speaker 1: went and saw first she was dad with the a K.
Speaker 1: You ain't talking about the motherfucking rap songs. Now see
Speaker 1: you on the video with mister lay looking like straight bozos.
Speaker 1: I saw it coming. That's why I went solo and
Speaker 1: kept on stomping, Like y'all. Motherfucker's more straight out of
Speaker 1: content even with the whites without another nigga sight for me,
Speaker 1: he wasn't you know. He wasn't talking about no motherfucking
Speaker 1: being better. He was talking. He was going at them
Speaker 1: Nigga's core let alone hit him up. He starts the
Speaker 1: song off saying, that's why I fucked your bitch. So
Speaker 1: but that's where I think it started changing. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it had to change with cute nigga, even even if
Speaker 1: you read the lyrics to mother fucking uh but it
Speaker 1: Bridge is over. Yeah, But those were the dis tracks.
Speaker 1: The other songs that were happening, like say on the
Speaker 1: same album, or that came out the same summer. There
Speaker 1: were guys that were still rapping kind of are making
Speaker 1: at least a point if they weren't explicitly saying, this
Speaker 1: is a song I'm gonna wrap out a good rapper
Speaker 1: I am. It was written in such a way as
Speaker 1: to highlight how good of a rapper you were, and
Speaker 1: then sometimes probably about two thousands of change, it was
Speaker 1: about like pinch, he said, it's about you. You're talking
Speaker 1: about your adult crisis and how much weight you're moving
Speaker 1: and how many guys are in the truck, and that
Speaker 1: was all you're talking about. Nobody like sure, like so
Speaker 1: the Queen's Bridge, Yes, he had more about being a
Speaker 1: better rapper. Um. But then there's other songs. He called
Speaker 1: them Nigga's game in that same song. But now that's
Speaker 1: the whole album. The other songs don't exist. Shoot, I
Speaker 1: don't yeah, I don't know. Maybe so I've never heard
Speaker 1: the whole this album. We'll not to say that this album,
Speaker 1: like there's the distracts in the album and the other album.
Speaker 1: The rest of the album is not really about refining
Speaker 1: your craft so much. That is, it's just about bragging,
Speaker 1: whether being righteously or falsely. This nigga said Mr Magic
Speaker 1: sucks Diex in his wrap. KRS one said, Mr Magic,
Speaker 1: it sucking dick. Your moth is good for sucking your
Speaker 1: mom is good for sucking that. It's always been disrespectful.
Speaker 1: It's always been and now they're just getting more disrespectful.
Speaker 1: But if you're telling another man that a man sucking dick,
Speaker 1: they don't get more disrespectful than that. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: It's saying your dead friend. It's worse than saying that nigga,
Speaker 1: you sucking did No, you're right. I mean again, when
Speaker 1: you start to really look at the lyrics, I think
Speaker 1: maybe it was just I think how we felt about
Speaker 1: it was different. Yeah, that's what I was gonna get
Speaker 1: to saying. But I agree with you. Everybody don't pride
Speaker 1: themselves or they're not passionate as hip hop artists or
Speaker 1: even as mcs or even now. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of great rappers making great rap songs. Not not a ton,
Speaker 1: but we got a lot. We got a nice amount.
Speaker 1: But it's but it's still not even about them being
Speaker 1: great rappers. It's literally the it's it's literally become a
Speaker 1: hustle to make try to make money. Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: streaming services created that middle class of it it yeah
Speaker 1: but but but they created a bigger middle class to
Speaker 1: where now you don't actually have to try to be
Speaker 1: the best. All you have to do is create a
Speaker 1: style or a genre and and find your audience and
Speaker 1: you'll make a living. See hip hop before it wasn't
Speaker 1: like that. You It was either reserved for the elite
Speaker 1: or the or the passionate. Everybody was passionate, you know,
Speaker 1: even the underground guys was like, let's say a planet
Speaker 1: Asia for me. He was passionate about the craft. And
Speaker 1: I agree with you. These guys are more or less about,
Speaker 1: you know, making that coin, and nobody can be mad
Speaker 1: at him. You know, when you pour its opportunity and
Speaker 1: only one said go ahead. I was gonna say, only
Speaker 1: one percent of people can be in the top one percent.
Speaker 1: You know, say, if you're talking about the skill set
Speaker 1: of rappers, if like like when Easy came out, he
Speaker 1: wasn't one of the best pure rappers out, but he
Speaker 1: made a lot of money and he was super famous.
Speaker 1: Selling an image and making a movie on wax, Well,
Speaker 1: it's easy to do that as a fifty percentile rapper.
Speaker 1: So then everybody else who's not in the top one
Speaker 1: percent rappers realizes that I have a blueprint. Now you
Speaker 1: can see where that went from a small slice of
Speaker 1: records to now the majority of records. But I probably
Speaker 1: about two thousand seven or eight people were just out
Speaker 1: there making songs and saying whatever in any kind of way,
Speaker 1: and even like really really good rappers probably were worth
Speaker 1: less than really really marketable images who couldn't rap for good.
Speaker 1: They're looking out for tuning into the No Sellers podcast.
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Speaker 1: was recorded right here on the West coast of the
Speaker 1: USA and produced by my homeboy A King for the
Speaker 1: Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio year