Speaker 1: You're listening to Comedy Central. Welcome back to the Daily Show.
Speaker 2: My guest tonight is a best selling author, publisher, and
Speaker 2: a professor whose new ebook is called Stand Your Ground,
Speaker 2: a Black feminist reckoning with America's gun problem. Please welcome
Speaker 2: Rock Sane Gay.
Speaker 1: Wow. All right, what made you want to write this
Speaker 1: piece about guns? A lot of different things.
Speaker 3: But my brother was a big gun owner, very enthusiastic
Speaker 3: about guns, which was weird because nobody in my family
Speaker 3: cares about guns. And we were like, oh, where did
Speaker 3: this come from? Yeah, and he kept trying to get
Speaker 3: my other brother and I to buy a gun, and
Speaker 3: we were like, uh no, we're good. And finally he
Speaker 3: broke us all down, and so I got my first gun.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I noticed at the gun
Speaker 3: store and at the gun range was that there were
Speaker 3: a lot of people of color, and black women in particular,
Speaker 3: And so I thought, why are black women buying guns?
Speaker 1: Other than the.
Speaker 2: Obvious, Well, why are black women buying guns?
Speaker 3: Black women, I think, are buying guns simply because we
Speaker 3: often recognize that if we don't protect ourselves, no one
Speaker 3: else will.
Speaker 1: A lot of.
Speaker 3: Times it's that we don't trust that the police will
Speaker 3: come to our homes and protect us. And in fact,
Speaker 3: Sonya Massey's murder recently bears that out among many others.
Speaker 3: And so I think it's not a form of empowerment,
Speaker 3: which I think is overused and cheesy, but it is
Speaker 3: a form of protection and recognizing that sometimes you have
Speaker 3: to take your own defense in your own hands.
Speaker 2: There's something beautiful about a bunch of white male forefathers
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty years ago not envisioning black and
Speaker 2: brown people at the shooting range?
Speaker 1: Know, was it beautiful?
Speaker 4: Was that?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that there's a lot to be
Speaker 3: said about the founders and their lack of vision. I
Speaker 3: mean people always talk about no, I mean, how.
Speaker 1: Much vision they have.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it in the essay that the Second Amendment
Speaker 2: wasn't written for black people.
Speaker 3: It wasn't written for black people, it wasn't written for women.
Speaker 3: They saw us as only three fifths of a person.
Speaker 3: So I guess we could only use three fifths of
Speaker 3: a musket. But now you know, if the Second Amendment
Speaker 3: applies to white men, it applies to all of us.
Speaker 1: And I you know, do you?
Speaker 2: I mean, what's fun about this essay is it's not
Speaker 2: you writing about people that own guns.
Speaker 1: You bought a gun, I did.
Speaker 2: Back to your first gun, the Barretta was a little
Speaker 2: too big. Then you bought a different gues.
Speaker 3: So big, kind of like the pull vaulter, What can
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 1: What's it like buying a gun?
Speaker 2: I know that you know half the country's going to
Speaker 2: hear that question and laugh and go like do you not?
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people that don't. I have
Speaker 2: no idea even know how to buy a gun.
Speaker 1: What was it like buying a gun for you?
Speaker 3: Well, I live in California most of the time, and
Speaker 3: so it's a kind of a pain.
Speaker 1: But it should be like it should be to buy
Speaker 1: a gun. To buy a gun, it's also process.
Speaker 3: You have to take a little test, which is fine.
Speaker 3: It's like the driver's exam. You study the booklet in.
Speaker 1: Your car beforehand, and.
Speaker 3: You fill out an application, you get a background check,
Speaker 3: and then ten days after you do all of that,
Speaker 3: you can pick up the gun, which I think is great.
Speaker 3: Take us some time, really think through like do I
Speaker 3: really need this or am I angry?
Speaker 1: I mean, a gun destroys things.
Speaker 3: It does, it takes people's lives, It causes grievous injuries.
Speaker 3: You know, we talk a lot about the people who
Speaker 3: die from gun violence, but there are people whose lives
Speaker 3: are irrevocable, irrevocably changed because of really bad injury, the
Speaker 3: loss of limbs, the loss of organs, and so you
Speaker 3: really have to think very carefully about why you would
Speaker 3: welcome a weapon like this into your home. But we
Speaker 3: don't have children. If we had children, it would be
Speaker 3: a complete nonstarter.
Speaker 2: Well, how did you, And maybe I'm asking selfishly, how
Speaker 2: did you? Or was it hard to convince your wife
Speaker 2: to have a gun in the house?
Speaker 1: No surprising, but but that's another consideration.
Speaker 3: Consideration. If she said no, the answer would be no.
Speaker 3: But she's a lifelong New Yorker, so she's.
Speaker 1: Not afraid of a good fight. And she's like, why
Speaker 1: I need a gun when I'm in New York, I'll
Speaker 1: do all. She doesn't need a gun at all.
Speaker 3: She doesn't even need her fists. She has a very
Speaker 3: capable mouth.
Speaker 1: What what what? I'm just going to leave that there.
Speaker 1: What has.
Speaker 2: What did you learn that maybe you weren't expecting about
Speaker 2: America's gun epidemic this process?
Speaker 3: I learned so much and I think everyone, I mean,
Speaker 3: we read the statistics every single time there is a
Speaker 3: horrific crime, and nothing ever changes.
Speaker 1: But there are more guns than.
Speaker 3: People in this country nuts, which cannot possibly be the case,
Speaker 3: but yet it is. And only about thirty five percent
Speaker 3: of Americans own guns, which is to say that the
Speaker 3: people who own guns really really love their guns, and
Speaker 3: they own a whole lot of them. And that really
Speaker 3: surprised me, because when you listen to the NRA and
Speaker 3: other lobbyists talk about gun ownership, they really make it
Speaker 3: seem like everyone's kind of like walking around with a
Speaker 3: gun in their purse or in the back of their genes.
Speaker 3: And that's not the case, nor should it be, And
Speaker 3: yet that's what we hear that so many people own guns. Now,
Speaker 3: it's a choice that some people make, and yet those
Speaker 3: people get a disproportionate amount of our cultural attention.
Speaker 2: One thing that really resonated with me in the essay
Speaker 2: was when you went to the shooting range and you
Speaker 2: almost you were mentioning the shooting instructor Raoul. I'm not
Speaker 2: how obsessed he was with safety, Yes, and I loved
Speaker 2: hearing that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I think so hardcore.
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is this side of gun ownership,
Speaker 2: isn't always told a lot of responsible gun owners are
Speaker 2: obsessed with safety.
Speaker 1: Share a little bit of that experience with you.
Speaker 3: For sure. When you hear about gun violence in general,
Speaker 3: it's irresponsible gun owners. It's people who don't know how
Speaker 3: to handle it properly. But before we even went to
Speaker 3: the range, we took some classes because we're nerds, and
Speaker 3: we sat in an actual classroom and he was like,
Speaker 3: here are the four rules of gun safety.
Speaker 1: Write it down, which I did.
Speaker 3: And it was really heartening to see that there is
Speaker 3: a responsible way to go about this, that you don't
Speaker 3: have to be casual, you don't have to be careless,
Speaker 3: and you can protect not only yourselves but the people
Speaker 3: in your household and also your community by being responsible
Speaker 3: and also you know, locking up your guns.
Speaker 1: Do you feel safer wanting a gun?
Speaker 3: No, not really, but that's because I know what happens
Speaker 3: to eagal gun ownership for black people when the police
Speaker 3: are involved. So well, not necessarily, but I do feel
Speaker 3: like I get a lot of death threats.
Speaker 1: That's what precipitated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want. I mean, what you know,
Speaker 2: I have friends that say they own guns for defense
Speaker 2: of their home, and I kind of laugh because you
Speaker 2: live on ten acres, you don't even have a neighbor.
Speaker 2: But when you were describing in the book that you
Speaker 2: get true death threats and people threatening your wife, that's different.
Speaker 3: Now it's different, and it starts to get closer and
Speaker 3: closer to home. And as the threats became more and
Speaker 3: more specific, particularly during COVID, I just thought, man, am
Speaker 3: I going to sit around and wait for something to
Speaker 3: happen or not?
Speaker 1: But the thing that makes me feel.
Speaker 3: Most safe is we also got a dog during COVID,
Speaker 3: and he weighs nine pounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thinks he weighs ninety.
Speaker 3: And he lets us know when someone's even thinking about
Speaker 3: the house. And so that's actually what makes me feel safe. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can stop something, but Max,
Speaker 3: our dog, Maximus Toretto Blueberry, he's absolutely going.
Speaker 1: To let us know.
Speaker 2: I mean, in some states there's more regulations about dog
Speaker 2: adoption than getting a gun.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, And in some states women have more rights
Speaker 3: as gun owners than they do as women or people
Speaker 3: with uteruses.
Speaker 2: You know, you wrote that black gun ownership is definitely
Speaker 2: a political act. White gun ownership is generally taken as
Speaker 2: an inalienable right.
Speaker 1: Explain that to me. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: We tend to look at the Bill of Rights almost
Speaker 3: of the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they're getting close from cloths.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know we treat those Bill of Rights
Speaker 3: as inalienable. But the further you get from a white, heterosexual,
Speaker 3: cisgender man, the more you have to fight for those rights,
Speaker 3: and the more you are considered sort of an anomaly
Speaker 3: when you choose to avail yourself of those rights. And
Speaker 3: I'm not the kind of person who's going to wrap
Speaker 3: myself in the Second Amendment. I think that no one
Speaker 3: should be able to own a gun, and if they
Speaker 3: want to come.
Speaker 1: Take it, like, feel free.
Speaker 3: But that said, as long as the right is there,
Speaker 3: I think there are many black gun owners who say
Speaker 3: why not. And some people are shooting enthusiasts. Some people
Speaker 3: are concerned with self defense and home protection, and there's.
Speaker 1: Room for all of that. We contain multitudes.
Speaker 2: I love in your essay you reminded all of us
Speaker 2: that the Second Amendment is twenty seven words.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: It is shocking given how often people talk about it.
Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of like, hey, guys, we need
Speaker 2: a little more clarity.
Speaker 3: You would think, would we feel like a little more specific.
Speaker 3: But also in seventeen eighty seven, when they were writing
Speaker 3: those twenty seven words, it must get took a long
Speaker 3: time to load, and it only shot one bullet at
Speaker 3: a time. I don't think that the founding fathers could
Speaker 3: have begun to imagine what that gun would become. And
Speaker 3: the fact that we decided collectively that we were okay
Speaker 3: with not regulating weapons of mass destruction is something that
Speaker 3: astonishes me every single day.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about stand your ground, and you know, you
Speaker 2: dive into it in the essay. It feels kind of
Speaker 2: actually when you start to think, oh, we actually put
Speaker 2: a law on the books that you're allowed to kill somebody.
Speaker 2: Should it you know, should it be more inclusive? Should
Speaker 2: it be taken off the books? I mean, what is
Speaker 2: a thought you have on standard ground?
Speaker 3: I think it should be more specific, and I think
Speaker 3: that if it applies to one person, it should apply
Speaker 3: to everyone. Like George Zimmerman used stan your ground as
Speaker 3: his excuse for killing Trayvon Martin, but Marissa Alexander also
Speaker 3: used stan your ground. She was a legal gun owner
Speaker 3: who shot in the air away from her former partner
Speaker 3: who was menacing her, against whom she had a restraining order,
Speaker 3: and she spent five years in jail and house under.
Speaker 1: House arrest because of that.
Speaker 3: And so when black people try to stand their ground
Speaker 3: in general, it is used against them, and so that's
Speaker 3: really what we have to change. But I also don't
Speaker 3: think we should be given carte blanche to take other
Speaker 3: people's lives.
Speaker 2: You think you painted well. You shared a lot of
Speaker 2: examples that I was unfamiliar with, and it's a great read.
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, how are you feeling?
Speaker 3: I'm feeling great as a as as.
Speaker 2: A black woman, as a feminist, as a gun owner.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that pertains. It actually doesn't pertain.
Speaker 3: However, I think that I wasn't really advocating for Biden
Speaker 3: to step down, but I was excited when he did.
Speaker 3: I think that Vice President Harris is going to be
Speaker 3: a very interesting president.
Speaker 1: I think we have an opportunity.
Speaker 3: For so long we've been told we have to wait
Speaker 3: till twenty twenty four, four, twenty thirty two to twenty forty.
Speaker 3: Who knows for real political change. And even in the
Speaker 3: run up to Harris becoming the nominee, people were saying
Speaker 3: that she's not a viable candidate, what about Gavin Newsome,
Speaker 3: right about Gretchen Whitmer, And so I think it is
Speaker 3: a real interesting moment to consider who is Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: and what kind of president would she be? And we
Speaker 3: don't just have to uncritically engage with her. I think
Speaker 3: we can ask her genuine political questions about where she
Speaker 3: stands on the major issues we're dealing with right now,
Speaker 3: whether it's Gaza, Ukraine, reproductive freedom here in the country,
Speaker 3: transgender rights, and it's a very long list, but I
Speaker 3: am encouraged. I think she's going to do the job
Speaker 3: extremely well. I don't think that she's going to make
Speaker 3: everyone happy, but I don't think that's possible.
Speaker 1: For a president. And look at the alternative. Thank you
Speaker 1: for talking with us.
Speaker 4: Safety.
Speaker 2: The original ebook and audio book Stranger Drab is available only.
Speaker 1: On evand Roxanne Gay.
Speaker 2: My guest tonight is a stand up comedian whose Netflix
Speaker 2: special is called We Ride at Dawn.
Speaker 1: Please welcome, Hannah Burner. I mean, look at this is amazing.
Speaker 1: This is your so daily show.
Speaker 4: I tried to match the energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, that's great. Congrats on your special. It's
Speaker 2: doing great. It's very funny. I feel like bachelorettes. It's
Speaker 2: unfair to compare them to cults, because cults give you
Speaker 2: the sweet escape of death.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm well versed in a lot of cults,
Speaker 4: their sister wives. Sometimes it's just running around naked. It
Speaker 4: depends on the cult, Michael. Some are better than others,
Speaker 4: and I would fall for one. I am one of
Speaker 4: those people fall for a cult.
Speaker 2: It's always a very compelling person. It seems to be
Speaker 2: good at sales. I mean, so naturally you're comedian. But
Speaker 2: was this drawn from some bachelorette experience. There had to
Speaker 2: be some people that mad about this joke.
Speaker 4: I hate to call myself out, but it was my bachelorte.
Speaker 4: The audience made me feel really bad about that. No,
Speaker 4: but I kind of felt this weird sense of power,
Speaker 4: like everyone was like, look, making sure I was okay,
Speaker 4: and I was like, with the in the wrong hands,
Speaker 4: this could go real wrong.
Speaker 1: So I think I was able to be good.
Speaker 4: But it's just look, there's already a wage gap and
Speaker 4: we're paying all this money for bachelorette. Honestly, I feel
Speaker 4: like the man came up with the bacherette idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, I remember when people were like Michael, are you
Speaker 2: doing a bachelor party? And I'm like, I'm a stand
Speaker 2: up comic who's on the road.
Speaker 1: Everything, it's all a bachelor party. It's all about you.
Speaker 1: You hit the road, you are stand up comic. You've
Speaker 1: got a lot going on.
Speaker 2: But let's talk about being a woman in comedy because
Speaker 2: it seems like a tough path.
Speaker 4: Do you want to become one?
Speaker 1: I've become a woman in comedy.
Speaker 2: In a serious sense. You gotta have some thick skin
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I do think that people wonder why there's
Speaker 4: not more women in comedy, But starting off and seeing
Speaker 4: that you have to go to these bars late at
Speaker 4: night so many hilarious women are like, maybe there's other
Speaker 4: things I could do because this is kind of annoying.
Speaker 4: I do think that like having TikTok and having other
Speaker 4: avenues has helped me kind of be able to work
Speaker 4: on my material a lot without having to deal with
Speaker 4: drunk people in bars too much.
Speaker 2: Or what about just the dudes in the green room
Speaker 2: judging all the time. And I say that as one
Speaker 2: of those dudes, but there is a male you.
Speaker 4: Want to tell them what happened?
Speaker 1: What did what happened? What happened.
Speaker 4: Well, you brought your dog Walter to the green room
Speaker 4: once shit, and I was trying to have like a safe,
Speaker 4: calm energy before my show, and Walter just growled at me.
Speaker 4: And I'm already dealing with all the comics. Give me
Speaker 4: weird energy. This dog doesn't like me. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: thought dogs could read good character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe he can.
Speaker 2: So Walter is a dick, my dog, and you should
Speaker 2: follow Daily Show Dogs.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of pictures of him on there.
Speaker 2: But you know, if you had him for the weekend,
Speaker 2: he would he would snuggle up with you. I appreciate
Speaker 2: although I noticed on your special and the end, the
Speaker 2: very end, I watched it all the way through to
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 1: You thank some people, one of which is your cat.
Speaker 4: Yes, Butters, Butter, Butter saved my life.
Speaker 1: Tell me how? Tell me how my therapy.
Speaker 2: Cat, which is perfect because it says it says on here,
Speaker 2: how did your cat save your life?
Speaker 1: It doesn't say that. I've never heard that before. How
Speaker 1: did that happen? You know?
Speaker 4: I'm on the board of Childless Cat Ladies And.
Speaker 1: Am I trying to run for something right now? What
Speaker 1: am I doing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: But I do feel like there's moments where a cat
Speaker 4: just being there for you, not judging you for all
Speaker 4: of your mistakes and regrets. She just loves you for you.
Speaker 4: And that was important in some hard times in my life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because you know, comedy is a coping mechanism. I think
Speaker 4: having a really cute animal is also a coping mechanism.
Speaker 1: This whole business is people saying no to you. But
Speaker 1: when I come home, my dog says yes to me.
Speaker 1: And that that sounds like very sexual.
Speaker 2: What I just said, I don't didn't mean it to
Speaker 2: sound away.
Speaker 1: Your special is not.
Speaker 2: It's keep going, Keep going, Michael, keep going.
Speaker 5: Don't talk about your dog after bad self.
Speaker 2: All comics should have a pet that loves them no
Speaker 2: matter what, because the audience doesn't.
Speaker 1: Always love you. No, it's true your special.
Speaker 2: I'm a man and you say, you say at some
Speaker 2: point in your special like there's not there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of men here.
Speaker 1: You point you single out a guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I'm like, oh, I'm sure he loved that,
Speaker 2: but was ill as a man?
Speaker 1: Was I allowed to consume and work? I love that.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's kind of like you know what
Speaker 4: the reality TV shows, the guys who are like, I'm
Speaker 4: not into this stuff. Yeah, but then like half an
Speaker 4: hour in you see him in the kitchen, just like,
Speaker 4: why did she say that to her?
Speaker 1: Why did she say that to So?
Speaker 4: I feel like this is a great special to watch
Speaker 4: with your guy, and I feel like it's kind of
Speaker 4: the female locker room, like they hear things or or
Speaker 4: girls are like, see, I'm not the only one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who like during.
Speaker 4: A can I say queef? Anyway? I feel like I
Speaker 4: like kind of just speaking out as a child community
Speaker 4: and making guys kind of understand us a little more,
Speaker 4: and like, we like this comedy from a male perspective,
Speaker 4: and I think it's great to have the female perspective too.
Speaker 1: I agree, And it's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the The Daily Show has been on air for
Speaker 5: twenty nine years, no one has ever said quef behind
Speaker 5: this dops.
Speaker 1: I was trying not to and it just came out.
Speaker 1: But which.
Speaker 2: That's in contradiction to a you said in the special,
Speaker 2: because in the special you said, I've never queened by myself.
Speaker 1: You skinny dick queathed me.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I don't know if I use the term
Speaker 4: skinny dick. You just said that, Oh shit, I said you.
Speaker 4: But I do think a lot of girls have been
Speaker 4: gaslet to believe like they have a problem. I fake
Speaker 4: beef and it's like he queafed you. And I got
Speaker 4: a lot of messages. I got a lot of messages
Speaker 4: from women being like it happened tonight, and I felt
Speaker 4: no shame. And if that's what I bring to the world,
Speaker 4: that's what I brought.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's like a I mean, this audience apparently
Speaker 2: does a lot of queafing crowd. Speaking of queefs, I
Speaker 2: was gonna say that we've played tennis together. We have,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't have to do with kleeving. But grunting
Speaker 2: is a sound that our bodies make different location.
Speaker 4: And grunting is just like laughing, which I love to do.
Speaker 1: And we might edit a lot of that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but people don't know that.
Speaker 4: But when I first started comedy, we hit tennis balls
Speaker 4: together and I remember being like, Wow, this is a
Speaker 4: guy who played tennis who's a successful comedian. Maybe there's
Speaker 4: a chance that I could, you know, do well in
Speaker 4: this business.
Speaker 1: Look look where we are now. It's pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like how you're saying we The reason Walter growled
Speaker 2: at you is you saw the trajectory of your career.
Speaker 2: He was like, stop her now, No, I mean you
Speaker 2: played at University of Wisconsin, Matass go Badgers.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is this? What is this evoke? What
Speaker 1: does that evoke for you? I'm upset? Oh the way
Speaker 1: that's her. We didn't just pull like.
Speaker 4: No, you know I was in it, you know, waking
Speaker 4: up at six am waits tennis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 4: I yeah, you know, I worked my butt off and
Speaker 4: I do think that there was a moment when I
Speaker 4: didn't go pro where I was like, this was all
Speaker 4: for nothing. I'm glad I wasted fifteen years of my life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I really now looking back, realize how tennis did
Speaker 4: prepare army for a lot of the adversity that I've
Speaker 4: dealt with with comedy, and how with comedy you're never
Speaker 4: like a real loser, unless you like tell yourself you're
Speaker 4: a loser.
Speaker 1: Because I could, I could be like they liked it.
Speaker 4: They were laughing with their nose like they were tennis.
Speaker 1: It's like you lost, you suck.
Speaker 4: So I've been much kinder to myself with comedy than
Speaker 4: I was with tennis. And I think, you know, dealing
Speaker 4: with pressure has been easier compared to like some of
Speaker 4: the things I dealt with with tennis.
Speaker 2: Why is the junior tennis world excuse, that's a very
Speaker 2: We're just gonna talk abou junior tennis.
Speaker 1: But this is very neat.
Speaker 2: It is you're so true about being kinder to ourselves,
Speaker 2: and I think it's something we all can do all
Speaker 2: the time, positive self talk. And I and as junior
Speaker 2: tennis player, heard you should be positive with yourself, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't happening.
Speaker 1: No, is this is junior tent I mean, is it traumatic?
Speaker 1: Is it good? You said it prepared you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because I'll joke with my dad, I'm like, I think
Speaker 4: you were too tough on me. He's like, well you
Speaker 4: turned out okay, So I think I did good. Controversial, No,
Speaker 4: but I do think it's.
Speaker 3: A joke about was good and get my sense of
Speaker 3: humour from him.
Speaker 4: But I do think when we were growing up, I mean,
Speaker 4: you're a little older than me, but when we were
Speaker 4: growing up, we didn't have we weren't people weren't aware
Speaker 4: of like the mental health as much, and we knew
Speaker 4: that it was supposed to be hard and it was
Speaker 4: just whoever can push there themselves harder. And I didn't
Speaker 4: realize that you could have fun and be a winner.
Speaker 4: And I think with comedy I've learned like you can laugh,
Speaker 4: have fun and also succeed in ways. And I think
Speaker 4: it's a cheat code to decide not to be mean
Speaker 4: to yourself. And that took a long time for me
Speaker 4: to learn. But it's like with tennis. I loved it,
Speaker 4: but it didn't always bring me joy, and I didn't
Speaker 4: realize that you can stop and find something that brings
Speaker 4: you joy that you'll also be good at two.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's excellent and that's great. What are
Speaker 1: your jobs? Your jobs? Fine? Joy? Drugs? Do you still
Speaker 1: follow tennis? Still follow? It's crazy.
Speaker 4: I'm like newly back obsessed with tennis. I watch tennis
Speaker 4: all day. I'm training again, but like you're training, it's
Speaker 4: almost like therapeutic in my own way, Like I take
Speaker 4: a lot of breaks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay. Who of the pro players out there?
Speaker 1: Men are women?
Speaker 2: Who are you like, can't take your eyes off of?
Speaker 2: Or who's resonating with.
Speaker 4: Hannah Shout out to some young Americans. Emma Navarro had
Speaker 4: a great season. Yea famely talented Jesse Pegoula, Cocoa Goff,
Speaker 4: Ben Shelton.
Speaker 2: What is it that you look for in a pro
Speaker 2: What is it that you look for?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: I like fashion, and then I like I like backhand.
Speaker 2: I really want to play it as a badass backhand, right.
Speaker 4: I like a player who's fearless. I like a player
Speaker 4: who goes for things and does things that I never
Speaker 4: had correct to do on my own.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: I want to see people, well, yeah, who seem like
Speaker 4: they have no fear, even though I know they're all scared.
Speaker 4: It's cool to see like they're not human.
Speaker 1: I love watching Ben Shelton.
Speaker 2: Ben Shelton all hit like one hundred and fifty minis
Speaker 2: hour second serve, and the way I used to it
Speaker 2: second serves is like this, please.
Speaker 1: Get me, please get please please please go please go in.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean I think it's Tennis is such a
Speaker 4: mental battle. So I love seeing people overcome their nerves
Speaker 4: and fears, and I also kind of love to see
Speaker 4: when they are human, like when Sabalanca lost her serve.
Speaker 4: That was so human of her, and then she won
Speaker 4: a major after that. So I love seeing people deal
Speaker 4: with adversity, and I love comebacks. I love revenge. Honestly,
Speaker 4: sports is the best reality TV.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about last thing you mentioned it revenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, revenge, It's just sillient.
Speaker 2: You're okay, that's that's That's all I need to know. No,
Speaker 2: But I mean, one of the things that endears, one
Speaker 2: of the things that I really love about.
Speaker 1: You is your work ethic.
Speaker 2: I mean, before the show, I see you doing Man
Speaker 2: on the Street in the New York.
Speaker 1: Afterwards you're always.
Speaker 2: Like your Oh, you got your podcast, you got your TikTok,
Speaker 2: You're crushing it.
Speaker 1: What is driving this? Is it some kind of revenge?
Speaker 4: I would say that's a glamorous I would love to
Speaker 4: blame revenge, but like I'm running from my thoughts. When
Speaker 4: I'm sitting alone for an hour, I start to be like,
Speaker 4: who is going to die? And I or I just
Speaker 4: I love working. It makes me feel fulfilled. I love creating.
Speaker 4: But I also think revenge like there's always going to
Speaker 4: be people don't believe in you or people who try
Speaker 4: to take you down. And I think as a tennis player,
Speaker 4: we're very individual. So I kind of have this story
Speaker 4: in my head where I'm like, I'm going to take
Speaker 4: all that energy and help motivate me every day to
Speaker 4: like keep working, keep creating.
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