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Speaker 1: We're going to see you. Are you okay? You're coming

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Speaker 1: to turn the podcast? Turn the podcast on? Alright? First six?

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Speaker 1: First here Phil? Uh, this morning, my wife was buying

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Speaker 1: for the whole family to go see you in Uh,

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Speaker 1: what's it called Christmas Carol? Christmas Carol? Yeah, Evan, he's

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Speaker 1: a Scrooge. Well I'm not Scrooge, but he's in the play.

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Speaker 1: Yet it's great. What is you? Who are you in? There?

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Speaker 1: A couple of guys play a guy who takes out

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Speaker 1: and then a guy who remember I don't remember that part. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He looks like he's lost. He seems so baffled by

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Speaker 1: I didn't like that. So you can play that. Then

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Speaker 1: comes and shows like what's going to happen to Scrooge

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Speaker 1: the victim in this sequel comes a victim. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: know we have our like bifurcated legislature where we have

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Speaker 1: Having to you all can do a quick civics lesson

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Speaker 1: explain to me your young Explain to me how and why?

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Speaker 1: is you get those are rewarded on population. Okay, um?

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Speaker 1: the Endangered Species Act, if if a species ends up

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Speaker 1: the gentleman who got it will still take his friends

424
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: down to show him there was there was another story.

425
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: Just that's the story I heard. He still was like,

426
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: let me take it down. Didn't we have another story?

427
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: You had another story just like that where someone got

428
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: busted and would take friends down to fishing game. That's it,

429
00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: that's the one I never remember. The plane part. Yeah, yeah,

430
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: that's the story. Um so last year twelve is he

431
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: bringing out a couple of beers. I was like, yo, mine,

432
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: i gonna put some camp chairs and ship and I've

433
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: had like a little fake campfire I'd like to set.

434
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: His man cave has hours like, well, we gotta be

435
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: out here by five. Boy, thinking about having everybody over,

436
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: but it's at four o'clock on Monday, not at my house. Um.

437
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: The so the buffer zone, what year did it come in? Okay?

438
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: So it came in two thousand five. Um, and you

439
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: know people really want to hunt the buffer zone. They

440
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: had twelve thousand people applied for the buffer zone permit.

441
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: That was one five got it. So you might be like, well,

442
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: what astounding odds? And it is it's astounding odds. But

443
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: keep this little detail of mine. Um. We've explain bonus

444
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: points thousand times. I'll do a real quick rundown again. Oftentimes,

445
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: as in the case of the buffer zone, which is

446
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: an extreme version, the demand um for a specific hunt

447
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: um is greater than the supply. Right, So we all

448
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: know that if you live in pretty much anywhere in

449
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: America that has white tailed deer, Let's say you live

450
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: in um, New York State, anyone that anyone that legally

451
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: can't go down and buy a deer license, you just

452
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: go deer hunting. The amount of deer tag sold is

453
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: like has a lot to it. How many people wanted one?

454
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: There's no cap, there's never a point which they like,

455
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: you cannot have a deer take um. But you take

456
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: something like big horn sheep for instance. Hell, everybody like

457
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: to go hunt in big horn sheep with aren't that

458
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: many big horn sheeps. So you need to allocate the permits,

459
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: and they do it generally. There are notable exceptions, UM,

460
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: which we've covered in the past. Generally, it's a democratic

461
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: it's they're allocated democratically, meaning you have a lottery, you

462
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: have a raffle draw um, a lot of states were

463
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: reward return customers. So every year that if you throw

464
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: your hat in the ring and you you enter a

465
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: tag lottery and you don't win, you get what's called

466
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: a bonus point or a preference point. In Montana, UM,

467
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: they they square your preference points. So they used to

468
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: not do this. So if you had two points, your

469
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: names in the hat twice, if you have three points,

470
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: your names in the hat three times. Um, some years

471
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: element how long ago it was less than ten years ago,

472
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: they started to square your points. Meaning if you're going

473
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: in with I have never drawn a special Elk tag

474
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: in Montana in my life. I don't know how. I

475
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: had a shipload of bonus points. So your name might

476
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: be in the hat four hundred times if you've got

477
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: twenty bonus points, which is how long they've been doing

478
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: the bonus point system. Roughly, Um, you're going with twenty

479
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: bonus points is twenty times. Twenty people applied, but a

480
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: lot of them their names only and once, and some

481
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: of them their names in the hat four hundred times,

482
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: So it's not like that crazy, but it's still crazy

483
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: to draw it. Well, yeah, because you still have other

484
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: people in there that have their name in the four

485
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: hund Yeah, you're not the only one for sure. It's

486
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: to the point where people would when I drew it,

487
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: people would congratulate me as though I had a baby.

488
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they'd call you congratulations. I mean I felt

489
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: like we had a moment on the phone right when

490
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: you drew it and you called me. It was like

491
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: I think it was. I thought it was like I

492
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: thought they'd made a mistake. You're like refreshing it. Yeah,

493
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I texted you when I found out. I

494
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: was pissed. Yeah that was your response. Garrett was happy

495
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: you were pissed. Yeah, really shows you know, different ways

496
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: you can go out through life. It's Christmas. I was

497
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: happy because he wanted it. Well, you know, some of

498
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: these coveted tags might need to be restricted to Montana

499
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: natives one of these things. That's a good idea, don't

500
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: you think that's a good idea, great idea. I could

501
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: get on board with that. But I was happy before

502
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: you right away. I was like, God it out of

503
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: state here. You know, I wouldn't even if that happened

504
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: on some things, that'd be like, yeah, whatever, that's fine,

505
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: I won't be pissed. Um, that's a good idea, especially

506
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: now that I did it. No, that got mine. Here's where,

507
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: Here's where the thing get Here's where the tag is tricky, contentious,

508
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: So there are certain access issues. Um, try to picture

509
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: in your mind, close your eyes, and picture in your

510
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: mind's eye that you have trying to think of how

511
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: you explain this Yellowston National Park where you're hunting. The

512
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: border of Yellowston National Park is a river. Okay, it's

513
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: the upper Galloton River. If you're facing we're gonna do

514
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: this where you're facing upstream looking into the park. So

515
00:31:52,520 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: you're you're fit, You're you're you're facing south, look king

516
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: upstream on the Galatain River into the park, and you're

517
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: on a highway. It just so happens that the highway

518
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: is not down the center of the river. The highways

519
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: off to the side of the river. Right. The highway

520
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: sits to the east of the river. But the park

521
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: border is the river. So you have a little strip

522
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: of ground between the edge of the highway in the

523
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: edge of the river because the highway parallels the river.

524
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: So picture this you have. It could be thirty yards

525
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: mm hmm, it could be two yards. Where you would

526
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: leave the road and need to is this. How clear

527
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: is this to someone who doesn't when I'm talking about No,

528
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: it's good. I got it, I got it. Okay, lay

529
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: your hand down flat, listeners, lay your hand down flat.

530
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: This is perfect. Lay your left hand down flat on

531
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: the ground. Unless you're driving. Then just look at your fingers. Okay, now,

532
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: never mind, okay, never mind your pinky and your thumb.

533
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: We're only focused on your three middle fingers, which are

534
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: laid flat on the ground on the table. Your index finger,

535
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: of your your yelso, National Park is off your fingernails,

536
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: your this is your left hand land flat. You don't

537
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: have a thumb and pinky. Your index finger is the highway.

538
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: Your middle finger is the upper Gallanton River. Your ring

539
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: finger is public land. You need to get from your

540
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: pointer finger to your ring finger right now. At a

541
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: time that was illegal m hm, because you couldn't have

542
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: a gun in the park. Right This is where the

543
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: story gets interested. I couldn't have a gun in the park.

544
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: I was shocked to hear what president signed the legislation

545
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: that made it that you could have a gun in

546
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: the park. It starts with the oh and ends in Obama.

547
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: People in the press were not happy. Corin't read that

548
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: line from that that headline you found her that that

549
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: line that lays out So once they made it that

550
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: you could cross through the park with guns, here's how

551
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: I was described in the newspaper article. Well, I mean

552
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: it's like it was all over mainstream media, right, so ABC, NBC,

553
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean anywhere you guys get but give the new realities.

554
00:34:52,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: But um so which source this comes? Okay? So this

555
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: was just an ABC News article from February. Hikers in

556
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon, visitors to Old Faithful in anyone else

557
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: sleeping at hundreds of National park campsites across the country

558
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: might now be surrounded by other tourists carrying shotguns or rifles. Surrounded, surrounded.

559
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: This is like, thanks to a new law that took

560
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: effect today, they got us surrounded. Thanks to it is

561
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: now legal to carry loaded guns into our national parks.

562
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: So they did that, which made it now once you

563
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: could do this, you could now with a gun, cross

564
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: your middle finger back to the hand on the ground.

565
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: You could take a gun on the highway for wearing

566
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: Hunter's orange. And just as I can tell you for

567
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: personal experience, now this causes some constant asian with motorists

568
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: because they know they've just passed a huge sign that

569
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: says Yellowstone National Park and then lo and behold, what

570
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: do we have here? A bunch of rednecks wearing their

571
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: crazy ass orange clothes with guns look doing what looks

572
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot like going hunting. And they

573
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: hit the brakes, they slow down and they look and

574
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: it is not a friendly look. It's a what and

575
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Sam hill And they're like, I need to report this.

576
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: These people are blazing. People are blazing surrounding me. Did

577
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: it get reported on often? I don't know, but judging

578
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: by the part, let me continue my story because it

579
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: gets better. It gets better. What that left off, though,

580
00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: was that left off archery equipment. So for a while

581
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: like no, okay, the the idea that you can cross

582
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: the park with a gun is no longer contested. The

583
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: Park Service don't like it. You can tell the park

584
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: rangers hate it. They don't like it none. But there's

585
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. Some years ago, though,

586
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: they had to take on the issue of archery equipment.

587
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: And if you draw the buffer zone tag and you

588
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: get to calling around, you will not get a straight

589
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: answer from anyone about what the situation is with archery equipment.

590
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: It is very similar to if you happen to be

591
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: a hunter from Missouri and you wanted to go corner

592
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: crossing and Wyoming, and you talked to a lot of

593
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: different law enforcement people who all told you it was

594
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: okay up until you got arrested by one of them,

595
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: until you got arrested by the one that told you

596
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: was okay. Right. It's like, no one will give you

597
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: the straight answer on archer equipment. But where's the lock

598
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: ran that they had? What is the wording for the law?

599
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: I know by heart, I don't need If you just

600
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: pull up the year why I say it some years

601
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: ago for archery? Yep? What year do they address it

602
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: with archery? Because it's like a little weird. You can

603
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: have a gun there, but you can't have a bow

604
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: there or a cross boat. For a while, you it

605
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: was the way they were reading the rules. You had

606
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: to disassemble your boat. You couldn't have an assembled boat.

607
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: Then they made it no, Yeah, why are you yawning?

608
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: This is fascinating. What do they mean by disassembled? Assembled?

609
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: People think it means if it's a if it's a

610
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: stick boat, just take the string off. If it's a

611
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: compound boat. You gotta have a bow press to put

612
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: it back together once you crossed the park. Like, I

613
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: know the law, I know it now, but I'm more

614
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to paint the picture of how you cannot

615
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: get a straight answer. And I got a great story

616
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: from a guy that had to take a couple of

617
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: years ago. So what year was? They said you can

618
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: cross the ark with a unloaded And then I asked, like,

619
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: what does unloaded mean? It means you don't have an

620
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: arrow in it. Okay, not like just it's just like

621
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's unloaded, there's not an arrow in it.

622
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: You can cross the park with a boat if if

623
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: it was impossible or otherwise impractical to get to that

624
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: location by other means impossible or otherwise impractical. Right, there's

625
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: so much room for interpretation. A friend of mine in

626
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: law enforcement, when I was discussing with him the other day,

627
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: he says, Man, the minute you throw a word like

628
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: impractical into a law, you have just opened up the floodgates.

629
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: He says. No person in law enforcement, he says, wants

630
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: to see the words impractical. The hell does that mean? Well,

631
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: this same individual years ago, a couple not years ago,

632
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago drew the buffer zone tag,

633
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: and if you call the park Service, the Park Service

634
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: will tell you that you can't cross that little strip

635
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: with a bow. They'll say you have to go. It's

636
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: about a nine mile trip to get back into some

637
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: of these areas by horse, some of the areas, some

638
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: of the areas now here listen to this too, though, Well, no,

639
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: to get to the to get to the area that's

640
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: like that people would want to go hunt for archery

641
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: if they had the buffer zone tag is nine miles

642
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: from a trailhead, and then you wind up a few

643
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: d yards from the road. So you're doing a nine

644
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: mile trip to wind up a few hundred yards from

645
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: the road. Because you cannot recover game across the park anyways.

646
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: So it opens up this thing that you could go

647
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: in with a gun or go in with a bow,

648
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: which we'll get to. But if you kill elk, you

649
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: can't retrieve it across the park. You have to find

650
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: another way out of there. Okay. So this individual that

651
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: I know had a plan. He's got he's got access

652
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: to horses. He's like, oh no, if I kill one,

653
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: if I crossed the little strip with my bow and

654
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: kill one. I'm gonna go get my horses. He's gonna

655
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: go get his buddies horses and these ride nine miles

656
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: and get the damn Elk fully plans on it where

657
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: he runs into a park ranger from a Yellowstone park ranger.

658
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: Park ranger says, if I catch you doing that, I'm

659
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna write you a ticket. He says, Man, I just

660
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: got off the phone with the people in Washington, d C.

661
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: About how that rule be interpreted. I also brought it up.

662
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: I brought it up with with Fosburgh, President and CEO

663
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: of Theater Rose about conservation partnership. Not an Elk hunter

664
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: doesn't put in for the buffer zone tag has zero

665
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: skin in the game. He was. He basically was like

666
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: he remembered, he remembered working on codifying the legislation around this,

667
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: and he said, hold on, Mante, there's an argument about

668
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: other it would be impractical to walk a couple hundred

669
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: yards versus a nine mile trip. He's like, I'd love

670
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: to see someone make that case. Anyways, This ranger that was,

671
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: that was I don't want to use the word harassing.

672
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: This ranger that was, yeah, I don't know, semi harassing.

673
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: A friend of mine was putting it that. His interpretation

674
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: was that's not impractical. I had a person from the

675
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: National Park come and check my license a couple of

676
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: days ago. I said to him after he checked my license,

677
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know they could do that apparently.

678
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't help the park anyway, So I

679
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: don't know what it has to do with him, but

680
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: check my license. I then said, sir Um, I got

681
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: a question for you, and listen both seasons over and

682
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I'll never have this tag again. This has nothing to

683
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: do with me. I'm just curious what's your read on

684
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: the law. And he didn't want to answer it. He

685
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: wanted to have like an ethical he he wanted to

686
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: have an ethical conversation with me Um. He felt that

687
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: this tag is meant for the kind of person who

688
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: would want to go nine miles. Oh give that a

689
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: lot of people now just want that easy hunt. He said,

690
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: no offense to anyone here, but they just want that

691
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: easy hunt for Instagram. No, he brought it up, that

692
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: easy hunt for Instagram. Yeah, with the odds against him,

693
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: five people getting it, it burns their ass so bad

694
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: that they could have a dude, that they could have

695
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: a dude crossing that little chunk of park to go hunting.

696
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: It tears them up. And then he kind of tried

697
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: to be a little bit misleading to you on how

698
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: to get to some other else. I was looking at,

699
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: we were looking at, we weren't looking at. We're looking

700
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: up a mountain um not too far above us. And

701
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: we're standing there in waiters okay, And he's like, you guys,

702
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: got your eyes on the bulls we had we were

703
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: watching when we're trying to see if we can find

704
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: him again. And he said, oh, so you'll go around

705
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: to a trail. There's a trail a few miles down,

706
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: So you'll go around into that trail and take that

707
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: trail up in there. And I'm staying there at chess

708
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: waiters said, no, we're across the river. Zero reply. So

709
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: it's it's contentious, like they don't like they really zero

710
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: interesting to that. And then did you go across the river? Oh?

711
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: And my friend a couple of years ago, he hunted

712
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: the piss off with his bow walking across. I think

713
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: I never got a citation because he's like he because

714
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: he like I said, he called d C. He's like,

715
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm not, I don't want to deal with any I

716
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with the ranger there. I want

717
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: to just call the National Park Service and get their

718
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: take on it. I don't want to have it be

719
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to have someone like interpreting what this means,

720
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: because I just want to know the truth. Once I

721
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: knew the truth, there's no thing an individual is going

722
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: to tell me there, because I knew the truth and

723
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: I was more than ready to hash this out with

724
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: them in a court if I needed to. M hmm,

725
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: sounds like a great hunt so far. Okay, let's look

726
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: at the flip side though. The first day we're there,

727
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: we saw twenty seven bulls or something like that. First

728
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: five minutes we were there, we saw hard hunt for

729
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: video because he can't. He can't. You can't, you can't,

730
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: you can't. Even so we even looked into this, like,

731
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, there's like certain right away stuff, um like

732
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: normal you can film off a road, you know, but

733
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: when the park owns both sides of the road, you can't,

734
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: like you can't use in it. You can't film anything

735
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: like that, right, you can't be on that road filming

736
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: off the It's it's strict permission. Yeah, even this guy

737
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: weirdly too, knew like he knew even though he's with NPS.

738
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: He knew where we had film permits. Asked me, and

739
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: before I could answer, he told me, huh, hey, there's

740
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: some weird information sharing that needs to happen. Well, they've

741
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: been sharing it. No, it was weird because he asked

742
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: me a question, but I didn't get a chance to

743
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: answer it. I was bummed out because then he told

744
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: me the answer. It was so he was setting you

745
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: up for a gotchair. I want to know, like, I'd

746
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: love to have to do a Freedom of Information Act

747
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: to get the body cam conversation. It was such an

748
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: interesting conversation, especially when I got shamed, and I was

749
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: getting shamed a little bit. I would love to have

750
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: the body cam conversation to be like, this isn't interesting,

751
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: just play. The conversation was he was he shaming you

752
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: about being skinny? No? No, no, no, he he has

753
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: like a body camera. No. I didn't get body shame. No.

754
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: It was like it was like that this hunts. You know,

755
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: this hunt's kind of for people. What you mean you

756
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: mean how there's like two ft of snow and it's

757
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: negative thirty degrees and and and you're not gonna like

758
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: go up Skyline Ridge. He had he had mentioned how

759
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: there was another tag holder that killed a bowl far

760
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: In did everything, he did it the right way. And

761
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: then you know what I had to point out to

762
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: him it was two people that had they had party tags,

763
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: and so he's talking about one of the people in

764
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: the party. I had to point out to him, Oh,

765
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, right now, while you're telling me this, those

766
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: two individuals are right down the road with waiters on,

767
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: like literally right now. The guys that did it right,

768
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: did everything right, they're down there in waiters. And it's

769
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: not like that's just what we wanted to hunt was

770
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: right by the river either. I mean, if I was

771
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: a buffalo hunter, I'd go where the buffalo are. That's

772
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: where the buffalo are. And we tried to make it

773
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: as hard as we could, like we we we were

774
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: all over them place. Yeah, we were way back there.

775
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: There just wasn't any out there. But it's but it's

776
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. It's like you get you it's

777
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: called the buffer zone. What is it? Buffer? A buffers

778
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Yelso National Park with the surrounding National Forest, And it's

779
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: kind of like hate, the hate, the game, not the player,

780
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: Like I had zero to do with instituting the buffer zone, right, Like,

781
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't know that it was such a problem.

782
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: I applied for a thing that my state is handing out.

783
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: He's just trying to do everything. I'm doing everything. I've

784
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: done exhaustive research. I don't understand the problem. Someone feels

785
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: away about it. I wonder if there's any park rangers

786
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: that are hunters down there. There's He didn't like, he didn't.

787
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: He didn't in any way threaten, he didn't. It was

788
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: just but it wasn't like, hey, guys, no, welcome to

789
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: the yesterday. It's just weird. So anyways, on the That's

790
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: all I gotta say about the Have you covered the

791
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: contentiousness of the issue, like it's Disneyland Welcome to the

792
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: Buffer Yeah, it should be like you jumped through all

793
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: the hurdles and preference points and basically got one in

794
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: almost dred entries. You went a prize welcome zero to

795
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: complain about. I just like, it's like, I've just take

796
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: the older I get, the more I'm interested in things

797
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: that that. I'm like, how is this not just that

798
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: everybody agrees on what the issue is such as the corner,

799
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: like with the corner across the thing. I would just

800
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: like to see it clarify in the courts. How is

801
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: there a question mark over Something's like, how do multiple

802
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: states not know whether or not they can't agree on

803
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: whether or not something is legal? And to have it

804
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: be that you can ask ten different people and get

805
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: ten different answers about one you can you can't do

806
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: when you hunt the buffer zone is insane. You think

807
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: they'd be like a pamphlet. Yeah, like a um ALL

808
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: agency alert, you know what I mean? Just like the

809
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: letter we got from Alaska efficient game before we went

810
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: to a fog knack, like it, heads up, that's what

811
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: you're going to deal with. You think this is how

812
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 1: you deal with They said, you're if you kill elk. Well, first,

813
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: it's like it's hard. If you kill elk, the carcass

814
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: will get confiscated by a bear. And it's like, here's

815
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: what's up. When I drew the d I four or

816
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: five four bison permit in Alaska, they send you a letter.

817
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: The letter basically says, you drew this, but you're kind

818
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: of screwed. Here's the deal, HM, And they lay it out.

819
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: Access issues blah blah blah blah, historic problems. Um, there

820
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: was a there was a Boa State biologist that also

821
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: another hunter. I know that they warned the other hunter

822
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: of what just what I'm talking about a chili reception,

823
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: a chili reception from the park that was that was me?

824
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: Oh that was you. Yeah, Oh I was warned. I

825
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: was worn before my when my grandpa drew the tag,

826
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: I called one of the biologists and uh, they told me,

827
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: like it was known, you don't heckled is the wrong word,

828
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: but you'd get misleading information, just like him asking if

829
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: you're going to go around the trail to go to

830
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: the elk instead of right at him through the river. Uh.

831
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: That person warned me that that was like it was

832
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: a very contentious. And then I think you were talking

833
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: about too, about people that were watching elk that were

834
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: bought ready to cross out of the park and they'd

835
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: have like company to watch them. Yeah, yeah, to help

836
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: them interpret whether or not, like oh is that really

837
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: far enough? Like is it going to go back in?

838
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: Like just making them nervous? Man, which that that's like

839
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: I think the most irritating thing about is it's it's

840
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: just trying to make you feel uncomfortable with the thing

841
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: that you're not doing anything wrong about. Yeah, it's like

842
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: borderline harder harassment. Yeah, kind of leaves you feeling that way.

843
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: But I can't, I can't good conscience go that far.

844
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: But it's something. It's something. Yeah, I think there's a

845
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: way to handle. Like I like to imagine, um. I

846
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: like to imagine myself in that role, and that I

847
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: would have come up and be like, what's going on, guys, Um,

848
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: everybody having a good time. Here's what's going on. Listen,

849
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: let's uh, you know, have you got any questions by

850
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: any this? Let' let's talk with you. I can help

851
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: you understand where I'm coming from, X, Y, and Z,

852
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: and just so we can all be not cross wires. Yeah,

853
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean the point is that people are you know,

854
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be enforcing the law, and if you're

855
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: not breaking any laws, it's not like you're showing up

856
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: and asking for opinions and weigh ins on you abiding

857
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: by the law. Well it's funny too, is he knew

858
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: I was Steve Renelly? Yeah? Of course, before I was

859
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: even able to identify that I had that I was

860
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: a tagholder, you knew he's looking for Stephen. It's pretty

861
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: ballsy guy, pretty ballsy guy looking for Renelli. I loved it.

862
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: Did that sour things going in? No, because I knew

863
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: I had heard so many stories about it and and

864
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: um in preparation for it, like I had even gone

865
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: to people. Um, I'd even gone to people like trying

866
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: to understand the law, understand that rules aren't because I

867
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to be in a situation debating it. So No,

868
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: it didn't because I'm like I knew the law. In fact, Um,

869
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: I would say this is gonna sound bold ass statement.

870
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: I would say that I perhaps knew it better, I

871
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: perhaps more, I had more of an understanding of what

872
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: actually said than my interlocutor. That's a word for someone

873
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: you're talking to. So when you crossed in your way,

874
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: did you turn around to see what his facial experience?

875
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: I never stepped footing that goddamn river, had never really

876
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: I think never got to is the better? Maybe we

877
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: should have? Yeah, we should have never set footing that water. Huh,

878
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: never went over there. We hunted stuff we had, We

879
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: hunted out stuff. We spent a lot of time looking, Yeah,

880
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: across that river, too much time looking, too much time

881
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: looking across that river. Couldn't help. But look, it's too

882
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: interesting over there, all right, any what else you need

883
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: to know? Man, you said you're going to interview, Well,

884
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: are we gonna do like a are we doing to

885
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: play by players? It's just Yanni asking us he's going

886
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: to lead the play by player? Gotcha? You guys were filming?

887
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: That's correct? Meier season twelve? That's correct? Who'd you have on?

888
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Is like actually on camera as your guests? These two?

889
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: Ye who's nobody can see? Number two over here? Cory

890
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: and Garrett number one? Who's filming? New guy? And uh?

891
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: I think you spent some time with him? Bobby, Bobby

892
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: and Ridge Pounder. Yeah, Bobby saved me on my big

893
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: run in September at the top of a big, long,

894
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: nasty climb in the heat of the day. He was

895
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: sitting there with a backpack full of ice cold water

896
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, you want me to dump this

897
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: on your head? It was like, Bobby, where did you

898
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: come from? Yes? No, I mean he was hanging there.

899
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: He I mean, he's done the race of Bunch and

900
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: so he knows that when you're coming out of this

901
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: climb and you finally get up on the service road

902
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: that you're you're, you're you know, you're wondering who you

903
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: are and why you're there, and uh, a little cold

904
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: water can do person something good. Um, that explains he

905
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: was having not much. We're going through a lot of

906
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: snow and a lot of miles at times. He didn't

907
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: seem to change tune. No, he's pretty wrong mountain runner

908
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: kind of fellow. But that's good. Sounds like a good crew.

909
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: And Sam Bass with you too, Sam basis there? Good? Good?

910
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: Now that tag was the season was open? How long?

911
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: Six weeks archery, six weeks agone okay, and you hadn't

912
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: stepped footing there until the final two weeks. I was

913
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: gonna bow hunt it with Phelps in the wilderness area

914
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: where you can't film. But we're just gonna go in

915
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: there and bow hunt it. And that was our big plan.

916
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 1: We got all kinds of time figured out. But then

917
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: I uh drew an archery or sorry, I drew Idaho

918
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: firearm mule deer permit and scrapped my plans with Phelps.

919
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: Canceled on Phelps so I could have best both worlds

920
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: and hunt. You just draw so many premium tags. That

921
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: drew two good tags and last year I drew zero.

922
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: And I'll point out to people I apply for everything everywhere,

923
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: and I've been added a long time and have accrued

924
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: a lot of bonus points after a I'm an old man.

925
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm forty eight years old. I've been applying for ship

926
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: for a long time and now I'm cashing in. Yeah,

927
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: your investments. No, it's it's a good for all those

928
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: people think that it will never happen and it's not

929
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: worth I think Steve's a prime example. Like you know,

930
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: we've been doing this together ten years, and I remember

931
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: when we first started this. We were like I was like, yeah, dude,

932
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: let's do all of them. Like I was talking to

933
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: a tag draw a consultant. I can't remember if it

934
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: was Garth Carter that told me this or Chris denn

935
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: denhim He maybe it was Chris Denham from Western Hunter.

936
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: He had said, if a guy comes to me, he

937
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about tag draws, but we were specifically talking

938
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: about big horn drawing a big horn permit. He said,

939
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: if a guy comes to me in his thirties, I'll

940
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: tell him to get in on the tag draws. It's

941
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: not too late, and you'll draw one or two big

942
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: horn tags. If a guy comes to me in the

943
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: four in his forties, I'll tell him, you might save

944
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: all the time and hassle and just buy a guided

945
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: sheep hunt, because you're gonna be at this for years

946
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: and then by the time you get it you might

947
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: not be in the physical condition to capitalize on it anyway.

948
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: So just save yourself all that heartache and just go

949
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: higher by adult she hunt. Yeah, save the money up

950
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: and going going to sheep hunt that way, because you're

951
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: not gonna draw the tag, or you'll draw it when

952
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: you're aiding. It. Won't do any good. Not to hack

953
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: on eighty year olds. No, there's some eighty eighty year

954
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: olds that can pull it off. But I know a

955
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: bunch of you know guys guide those sort of hunts,

956
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, hard to draw go hunts, sheep hunts and

957
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: stuff all over the country, and they often deal with

958
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 1: the problem of Okay, you know, George's coming in, he's

959
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: eighty two, he's got he's got one hunt, like literally,

960
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: like he's got one trip up the mountain, because after

961
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: he goes up there, once it comes that comes back down,

962
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: he's not going up again. So like we have to

963
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: find the animals when when the opportunity is the best

964
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: and tips to pull it off. So it is is

965
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean that I said that often when I had

966
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: my sheep tag that was so fortunate to draw at

967
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: forty three, I guess that was. Uh, and have legs

968
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: to go just cruising around the mountains. You know, Corey,

969
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: did you encounter that stuff? Corey guided for how many years?

970
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: Fourteen years? Did you come across stuff like that? Christ

971
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: Chris still said you had a groove as though you

972
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: guided for fourteen years. Yeah. Cool, I wonder what that

973
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: looks like. It looks just the way you carried, just

974
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: the way you carried around that spotter. He was impressed

975
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: by how he didn't even have time to like register

976
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: and someone had said something you already had it in

977
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: focus about of practice for sure. Yeah. But yeah, I've

978
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: definitely had those clients, just old timers. It's like, you know,

979
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: they only have a little bit of steam left. Absolutely. Yeah,

980
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: do a lot of driving around sometimes or horsebacking whatever,

981
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: wherever you're at. Yeah, I imagine you know those clients.

982
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: It's probably those guys that come every year as they

983
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: get older and older, it's like it's probably hard for

984
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: them to give it up. Oh yeah, it's like the

985
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: thing they did every year. You tell Seth just got

986
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: married because he still fiddles with that ring. I can't

987
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: um being there some folks, Garrett Core, you can win

988
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: on this. To some folks who say this is possibly

989
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: the best ELK tag in the state of Montana, I

990
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: would say it, I would say, and if not, it's

991
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: top two or three, well let's let's let's qualify. I

992
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: would say, I haven't been to all the units, but

993
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: I would say in terms of bp ms bulls per minute,

994
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're gonna like bp ms. You're

995
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: not gonna beat it without paying for it. Yeah, I'm

996
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: sure you could get greater bpms at like or whatever,

997
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: but like for a for public land, for non guided

998
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: public land hunting, I don't know how you'd get more

999
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: bp ms. And this is something I mentioned on when

1000
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: we were filming, probably too much. But I think what

1001
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: makes it the best unit is just the amount of

1002
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: bulls that come in there from nowhere, right Like you

1003
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: got the break stuff that everybody likes to do. But

1004
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of those bulls are named

1005
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: by everybody around there, and we would just like all

1006
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, a bull like al would show up

1007
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: and he's just this freak bowl. That's just maybe he

1008
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: never came out of the park in his life. And

1009
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: then that like one week, he decided to trot across

1010
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: the line, you know, like you just never know what's Yeah,

1011
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: people might have looked at him, and no one ever

1012
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: looked at him lustily. Yeah, no, you never had a

1013
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: lustful glance his way. And then all of a sudden,

1014
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: like some crazy bull, he doesn't know you just crossed

1015
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: the line. And also when he crossed the line, you're

1016
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: standing there. But it was the other thing. I don't

1017
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: know how far we want to get ahead of ourselves here,

1018
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: but he was still an elk, right Like he got

1019
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: bumped one time and he disappeared for the rest. We

1020
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: never saw get bumped by someone. He got bumped by

1021
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: someone from a couple hundred yards away, probably three yards away.

1022
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: Ran never ever laid eyes in at some bitch again.

1023
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: And we looked, Yeah, I mean look looked because you

1024
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: were looking at him lustily. He had a hand. He

1025
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: had a freak hand. Back to your hand, imagine you

1026
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: had an elk and then your hand is made out

1027
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: of antler and it's glued to the back of his beam.

1028
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: He was a five by eleven well because he had

1029
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: this freak growth like a growth being being that you

1030
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: applied for nearly twenty years one of those coming at

1031
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: tags in the state, but I never applied for that

1032
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: was the first time I applied for SILL apply for

1033
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: different units, sure, but still you put a lot of

1034
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: time in affter you applying for trophy units. I've always

1035
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: there's been four I applied for it, and this is

1036
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: the first time I tried this one. Did you feel

1037
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: the pressure of having such a coveted tag? Yes? Absolutely,

1038
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: absolutely changed. It changed everything. M hm. How did it manifest?

1039
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: It manifested like this? We kept telling ourselves we'd be like, um,

1040
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, like Garrett and his grandfather's footsteps is a

1041
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: publicly and cow killer. It's like, you don't you know,

1042
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: if you're out on the national forest and you see

1043
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: a bull, there's something to get excited about. You're like,

1044
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, during general firearm to be you know, two

1045
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: and then to be like, oh there's eight, just just

1046
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: five little sixes in range here. It's like just it's

1047
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: just different. Do you remember when we had the guy

1048
01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: that killed the biggest white tail in America. Uh uh

1049
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: huff the huff buck killed. The buck falls the Indiana

1050
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: state record might being the biggest typical white tail ever

1051
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: killed in the US. That night, like, up until that day,

1052
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,479
Speaker 1: he was trying to get a personal best. His goal

1053
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: every year is to get a personal best, and I

1054
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: think he thought if he could get like a hundred

1055
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: thirty five inch buck the personal best, that's what he

1056
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: was out in the woods for and kills it to

1057
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: something two inch buck. At the end of that podcast,

1058
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: I said to him, so what now with the personal

1059
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: best deal? He goes, I go back to the day

1060
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: before I killed that buck that never happened. We had

1061
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about um that, you know, like

1062
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: just reminding yourself just how unreal it is. Yeah, yeah,

1063
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: reminding yourself hunt real is and being like joking about

1064
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: can you believe that we would have the audacity to

1065
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: be like stupid six points? Yeah, it was like the

1066
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: first night was that he was like mid three twenties

1067
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: bowl Corey got on his on his phone scope there

1068
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: and we were like, I'm not worth going back there.

1069
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: I didn't see any interesting back, right, So you passed

1070
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: up how many and how big. Well, there's like I like,

1071
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: I was like when people say like I passed up

1072
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: a blank, I'm I was like, meaning meaning what you

1073
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: saw it and didn't go after it? It was in

1074
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: range after like it didn't it didn't you know, get

1075
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: you excited enough to be like, Okay, we're gonna put

1076
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: some effort to close the gap between where we are

1077
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: in that ball. If we were market hunters back in

1078
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: the old days, market hunters, I don't know, we could

1079
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: have killed a lot of balls. I mean the one

1080
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: night Corey was down by the river, he saw seventeen

1081
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: and that same night and this is just bulls that

1082
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: same night what we saw fourteen. We've seen a lot

1083
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: of cows to some some some bands. Yeah, I should

1084
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: I take that back. Yes, more than I expected to

1085
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: see you for sure. Yeah, you see some cows. Bands

1086
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: of cows, not like you know, not like like two packs,

1087
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: but but probably the biggest group. I mean, maybe in

1088
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: excess of a dozen. Um. Yeah, I think like they'd

1089
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: have little spikes with them and stuff, you know, with

1090
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: all these bowls. One of the hardest things. We talked

1091
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: about it a lot. Um Yanni, you and I have

1092
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: talked about this cou's hunting. How like you always think

1093
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: the biggest couse deer is at the top of the mountain.

1094
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: M hmm um. Effort, yeah, effort to size ratio, Like

1095
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: it didn't mean anything. So we kept thinking, like, oh,

1096
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: we gotta get to that like isolated far back spot.

1097
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: You had to hike for the dangers. Yeah, exactly, the

1098
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: big ones if you if you got two and a

1099
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: half miles in the trail ahead, you can see a

1100
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: bunch of dingers, remember the big bulls to go up

1101
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: in the mountains. And remember I saw that single track

1102
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: way up high in the mountain in the deep snow, Like,

1103
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: that's gotta be a giant. No. I was laughing about that.

1104
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: I think with Johnny, I was like, how could something

1105
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: that far away be small? Yeah, it has to be big.

1106
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: It was that far away. I think it was al

1107
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, um some of that. So the only other

1108
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: bowl before you killed yours that you were lustly looking

1109
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: after was this was this weird awl there was I

1110
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,439
Speaker 1: was lusty for four balls. I was lusty for four

1111
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: What prohibited you from greed? Greed and lust? Available time?

1112
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: We got there one day. The day we got there,

1113
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: we got there at at daybreak, the morning version of

1114
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: dusk by the time we were actually dawn. Yeah, that's

1115
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. I'm not kidney man, I'm not

1116
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: kiding you that I think I'm right when I say this.

1117
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: The biggest, probably maybe the biggest bull we saw, was

1118
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: the first bull we saw. It would have required a

1119
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: little what in that spot? How far to get off? No,

1120
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. You didn't. There wasn't. It was a straight shot.

1121
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: You could have walked, You could have stepped legal the

1122
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: legal distance off the center of the road and shot

1123
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: and shot. He was like sparring his buddy a couple

1124
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: of what he was I don't know, maybe two hundred

1125
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: yards under three hundred yards. And my thought was, if

1126
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: that son of a bitch is standing there, imagine how

1127
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: big of the one that must be behind us. And

1128
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: that set us down a strange path. You know. That

1129
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: happened to me a little bit in Lavia, which we'll

1130
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 1: get to it another time, but it happened to the

1131
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: other day. When I parked to go deer hunting. I

1132
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: got I got as where I was gonna park on

1133
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: private to go hunt some public but I mean I

1134
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: was literally like on the fence where I parked, and

1135
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: as I'm in the car sort of fiddling around, two

1136
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: dolls walk within rifle range across a little meadow into

1137
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: the woods. I get out, put my pack on and

1138
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: I'm literally grabbing my gun out of the back seat

1139
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: and I look back up the hill and there's a

1140
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:27,480
Speaker 1: nice eight point buck and like, without having any effort invested,

1141
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: it just didn't feel right. And the same thing happened

1142
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: to me in Latvia, where I had an opportunity. It

1143
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: was so early in the hunt. I was unfamiliar with

1144
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: the land, the woods, the habitat, the animals, and just

1145
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: didn't have the girl in here at all. And I'm

1146
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: sure that you probably had a little bit of that too,

1147
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: That first moment where you're like, oh, well, there's a

1148
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 1: giant but and you don't want it to end. You

1149
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: want felt totally weird. It would have felt totally weird.

1150
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: What what also got us, though, is how how trackable

1151
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: what they were A man like that bowl was two

1152
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: yards the second day from where we saw him on

1153
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: the first day, and then the next day he was

1154
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: in the same exact spot, Like it almost just seemed

1155
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: like they're always gonna be there now I'd always heard

1156
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,520
Speaker 1: it was kind of a migration hunt, where like every

1157
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: day or possibly you're gonna have critters coming out of

1158
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: the park because there's cold weather and snow up higher

1159
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: in the park, they're moving. Did you guys see that

1160
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: that remains? We got there right after a severe weather event,

1161
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: meaning onset of a severe cold snap, a bunch of

1162
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 1: snow and stuff. Had a stirred up feeling about it, Okay,

1163
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 1: just weird stuff, but then it stabilized, very clear skies,

1164
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: no precipitation, extraordinarily cold, like we are. The coldest morning

1165
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: we hunt, it was negative twenty nine. We spent whole

1166
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: days in negatives, crept up in like nine or ten

1167
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: or whatever. But like and then it just everything just

1168
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: that frenetic craziness seemed to pass. They did seem like

1169
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: there was like new stuff, you know, I don't know

1170
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: that was my perception anyways, You're like, how could there

1171
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: be this many tracks in brand new snow? Felt feeling

1172
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: about it, you know, like what in the helm hast

1173
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: been going on here to make that number of tracks

1174
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: and snow that hasn't been here forty eight hours? It's like,

1175
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: how could that be possible? And that definitely seemed to chill,

1176
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: but like it was like a wave of stuff happened

1177
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: and then it stabilized. Just very cold. We had that suit.

1178
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: You know what was interesting that negative morning. We were

1179
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: looking at elk at night and the next morning was

1180
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: negative twenty nine, and we were able to find all

1181
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: those elk and they were like six ft away from

1182
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: where we found. There's like they that they didn't they

1183
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: didn't strike out in that. They seem to be like,

1184
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm just hunered. Yeah, here feeding. They didn't seem to

1185
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: shuffle and that and that extreme cold. It was like

1186
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: they just they they for whatever reason, they seem to

1187
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: conserve energy. I'm where, I'm not doing some crazy exploration

1188
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: right now. A negative negative weather, Yeah, they can't afford

1189
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: to stop eating right there. I remember kind of getting

1190
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: excited for that cold weather and then realizing that it

1191
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: wasn't helpful. Everything seemed to stop. I was in my mind,

1192
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking, oh, this cold snap, those bulls are

1193
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to move all night long, Like they're just

1194
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: gonna be in the park and be like I'm getting

1195
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: to greener pastures tonight because it's cold. But that's not

1196
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: what happened. I think it was by the third By

1197
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: the third day, I think we saw the last new

1198
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: bowl of significance. Yeah. Whatever day, weird Al showed up.

1199
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: We're you ever glassing into the park. Oh yeah, we wouldn't.

1200
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: We wouldn't pour the coals to it, but we would

1201
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: look in there and sea bowls in there. He saw,

1202
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: he's I didn't see it, but he saw far and away.

1203
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 1: When he said far and away, the biggest bull was

1204
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: in a drainage. He cut Sam and I we went

1205
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: up into an area and and then he cut down

1206
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 1: and went down this drain the drainage down through the

1207
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: park and he saw a tanker there was he was

1208
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: with fourteen, He was with thirteen other bulls in there. Yeah.

1209
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: We we walked out what it was like one o'clock,

1210
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: I think, and Sam and I would only pull up

1211
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: glass if we could see something with our naked eye,

1212
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: pretty much, and we saw twenty bowls walking out of there,

1213
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: one group of fourteen and yeah, man, like a straight

1214
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: six three eight class bowl in there. That just blew

1215
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: my mind. Wow, Yeah, just good. A little video. No

1216
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: we didn't get a video of and we didn't have

1217
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 1: a spot or with us, but you know that big

1218
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: landscape called Yellows a National Park got in the way

1219
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: Steve going in there. Yeah, uh, well, I guess to

1220
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: tell me about the one that you did crack in

1221
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: the end. I want to talk about something different first. Well,

1222
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you two interesting things. Um, we're the whole

1223
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: time wondering like a negative twenty nine and then the

1224
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: snow was up to the mid middle of your shin

1225
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: not I don't want to devide, wasn't need you, snow

1226
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: was shin deep snow. And then and then that was

1227
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: the lowest temperatures negative twenty nine, but there was a

1228
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: It was always at least negative ten in the mornings,

1229
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: cold mornings, and we kept thinking, are the grit like,

1230
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: what do the grizzly bears do? Like they gotta go?

1231
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: They don't. They're out wandering around just freezing their little

1232
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: feet off. Can you imagine what that must feel like

1233
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: they're out freezing her asses. I'm I'm I'm anthropomorphizing. I

1234
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: don't know if they're cold. It just seemed like a

1235
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: bad what are you surprised they weren't in their little

1236
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: dans even if they're gonna get back out again later

1237
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: when it warms up. Yeah, there's out pounding the pavement.

1238
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: Do you saw quite a few? No? I saw one

1239
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: track in one bear just cruising. One day we're on

1240
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: the highway and Garrett sees a bunch of where all

1241
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: these kinds of stuff was crossing the road and he

1242
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: just stops and looks in his headlights, thinking it's all

1243
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: elk tracks. But it's all wolf tracks. And that day

1244
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a big hike up of drainage and

1245
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: get on that drainage and wolf tracks just crisscrossing everywhere.

1246
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: But eventually the wolf tracks all lying out and they're

1247
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: just going down the trail round. I mean, it's like

1248
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: it looks like sled dogs going on. It looks like

1249
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: a dog park, like just insane amount tracks, big old

1250
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: beautiful ship pile pissing on stage bushes. You could have

1251
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: got down and ate that pistone wolf wolf piston. He

1252
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: could have. I seriously, I'm like, what you could. I

1253
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: seriously thought about eating that wolf pistol. I don't know

1254
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: about smelling it for the power. Yeah, you might get

1255
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: some pot kind of power out of it. See what

1256
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: they're lifting their little legs and we're going, going, going,

1257
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: And I started getting I just started to be like,

1258
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: we are going to see because there's a bunch of

1259
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: elk up here. We're gonna see him in Lo and

1260
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: behold on a far away ridge. There they were m h.

1261
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: Garrett took a poke. Yeah, here's the thing. It's killing me. Well, no,

1262
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: it shouldn't. I had always said to Garrett when we

1263
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: were talking about he's gonna come with, I had said,

1264
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: you can you know, each had a wolf tap. But

1265
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you see a wolf, but your crack.

1266
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: And he didn't grab his his precision, his own personal

1267
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: precision long range rifle which he shoots competitively with, and

1268
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: you know it's real well like an extension of his

1269
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: hand back to your hand again. Yeah. I think the

1270
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: disappointing part about it is I was having an argument

1271
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: with myself walking up the trail about go because we

1272
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: got on the trail and what it was within fifty

1273
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: yards were on those tracks again, and we're walking up

1274
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: the trail and I'm like, it's the trucks right there.

1275
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is turn around and go grab

1276
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: that gun. But man, I've also borrowed my gun to

1277
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: people and have a miss stuff and then blame the

1278
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: gun be like, oh no, I was on him. So

1279
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to even pull that argument like that

1280
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 1: I used your gun and shot Yeah, Like I don't.

1281
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to go there. I think

1282
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: what I'm what eats me the most is just when

1283
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: you've hunted enough and you've shot enough, you think that

1284
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: you can detach from the emotion side of it a

1285
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: little bit, where you can be like, no, I probably

1286
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't take this shot, or I should probably maneuver to

1287
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: get a little closer we're getting. Yeah, maybe if I

1288
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: would listen to you. Um, But I think that's what

1289
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: gets me the most is instead of doing that where

1290
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: I like could detach a little bit, I was just

1291
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: it was a wolf man. I've been chasing wolves ever

1292
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: since you could buy a wolf tag, and it's just

1293
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: like I gotta take somebody else's gun at a range

1294
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit too far, and had had

1295
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: to do it. M hm oh man, yeah, clean, miss fun,

1296
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: very clean. Miss watched him for a long time after

1297
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: he ran well, yeah, scared him. Yeah, so does that

1298
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: that's fun? M core. You haven't said a whole hell

1299
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: a lot where you at on this whole thing. Oh,

1300
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: just still reliving it. I mean we just got back today,

1301
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: so you know, like Garrett said earlier, just coming down

1302
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: from the high. But you've haunted us some, You've you've

1303
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: guided us some premier ELK locations. Yeah. Did it feel

1304
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: different for you? No, it felt very similar. I mean

1305
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: passing up it felt like what it feels like hot

1306
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: guiding that premier ELK location. Yeah, passing up world class

1307
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime, elp to hopefully see something bigger

1308
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: and then hopefully keeping those big bowls in your back

1309
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: pocket to come back later. But a lot of times

1310
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't pan out like that. So did it live

1311
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: up to the hype? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean if

1312
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: you want to, yeah, if you want to look at

1313
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: a tune of bulls and I do. I was talking

1314
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: to Jake about that because after I don't know if

1315
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: you were already shown in pictures, we were getting a

1316
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:23,560
Speaker 1: lot of pictures those of us that weren't on the

1317
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: hunt from Steve. I mean, like, how much how big

1318
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: is this one? Score this one? I'll figure the fifth

1319
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: on this one. I told, I said, Jake probably like

1320
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: to play this game too, So I don't know if

1321
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: and uh he said that he haunted it like four

1322
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: or five years ago with a buddy had the tag

1323
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: and he said it was the best hunt ever. They

1324
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: spent like almost thirty days in there and just had

1325
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: unbelievable bugling. It's just some people think that the guarantee

1326
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: is not the four Bowl. The guarantee is seeing a

1327
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 1: lot of bills and to go in there every day

1328
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, let's just start cow calling and

1329
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: just be almost guarantee, call in after calling, after calling.

1330
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why our buddy j likes to hunt

1331
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 1: on some of these ranches like where he used to guide.

1332
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: Is like, you ain't gotta go days without seeing an

1333
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: elk or whatever. She's like, you step out of the

1334
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: truck and sometimes they buw go into car door shots.

1335
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: You know, you know what you know. Hayden one day

1336
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: said something to me that a little bit listen. It

1337
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: was a tremendous blessing. I had a wonderful time. It

1338
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: was crazy to see all those elk. But here's a

1339
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: here's an issue. Hayden one day said to be something

1340
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: about um that he likes to spend his time exploring

1341
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: replicable experiences mm hmm. Meaning and it's it's like a

1342
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: thing I feel and he put he put a good

1343
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: word to it, meaning you're always looking for like a

1344
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: thing that you can make part of your discipline, that

1345
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: you can make part of your annual cycle. Do you

1346
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean? The difference between finding of finding

1347
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: a great fishing spot that you can get to and

1348
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: you understand it. It's like, yeah, man, I've over like

1349
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: take fishing Halibut. Okay, I've got fifteen years into my

1350
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: little Alibi area. And it's a really cool relationship, right

1351
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: to have with the place and to be able to

1352
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: like grow with it and watch it change and be like, oh,

1353
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: I can't believe we used to always go there, and

1354
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: then we realize one day that if you go over there,

1355
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: it's or or if they're not there, go check there.

1356
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 1: Because and you you established this whole elaborate interplay with

1357
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: something over time, right, and you watch by changes. So

1358
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,440
Speaker 1: to go and do a once in a lifetime situation

1359
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: And I feel this every time it happens to me.

1360
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: You're so thankful to do it, but you go do

1361
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: it and you're already nostalgily, You're already like there's nostalgic

1362
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: is not the right word for it. You're right away

1363
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: get hit by oh I can't go do this again,

1364
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: Like now that I know, i'd he's so interesting to

1365
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 1: go again, nor would I now know. That's why Garrett

1366
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: had Garretts. They were drawn the damn tag. But he

1367
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: had such a good time because he thought when he

1368
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: was there with his grandpa, he'd never get to do

1369
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: it with someone who could know no offense to your grandpa,

1370
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: someone that was gonna go real fast up the trail

1371
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: because he was come on, Grandpa, come on, yeah, yeah,

1372
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: we gotta go. I was way you know, I was

1373
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: so excited when he do that that tag. But you're

1374
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: right having been in there, man, I was a hundred

1375
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: times more excited when you drew it because it was like,

1376
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: I get to go back to this place that I

1377
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: know a little bit about. The thing is, though, is

1378
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: it's elk hunting, dude, and it's like what I experienced

1379
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: with my grandpa was very different than what you and

1380
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: I experienced as far as where the elk were, how

1381
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: the elk moved. And so maybe that's the takeaway is like, yeah,

1382
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go in there and hunt it next year,

1383
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: but you learned more about elk because you had so

1384
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: many encounters with that. That was you made that point

1385
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: when and I hadn't even brought up the feeling I

1386
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: get of doing when I get to go have those respects,

1387
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: like when I drew the toke the toke doll sheep tam.

1388
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: It's great, but you're like, man, where's that? Go do

1389
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,600
Speaker 1: that next year? Right, but you'll never do that, you

1390
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But you were addressing that what

1391
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 1: I hadn't even brought it up, and you said, like,

1392
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing that being here has impacted

1393
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: how I hunt elk, and that I'm able to watch

1394
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: so many bulls relate they're still elk, right, they still

1395
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: gotta eat and they gotta sleep. They you know, they

1396
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: they come out of the timber um right before dark,

1397
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: they go back into the timber you know, right at daybreak.

1398
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: And you're like, I got to watch how elk be

1399
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,799
Speaker 1: elk to a degree that that would take a lifetime

1400
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: to accumulate that many experiences of watching how bulls be

1401
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: bulls like what they do. And then true, you could

1402
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: go sit there and and then you imagine that you're

1403
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 1: shrinking it down to where it's a tenth as many

1404
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: a twentieth as many, a thirtieth as many, but you

1405
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: still have in your head like that little timber patch

1406
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: seems like a place. Yeah, little bull wud want to

1407
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 1: lay in this cold, snowy ass weather. And I bet

1408
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: you when he comes out, he's gonna do this thing.

1409
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna do this thing. Yeah, l cutting buddy telling

1410
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: me that he spends his time looking at ten percent

1411
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: of the mountain. M hm, and I you know that's like,

1412
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: we got to see what ten percent of the mountain.

1413
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: Elk live on the river is a little because I would,

1414
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: I would look, I would, I would make a hobby

1415
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: of trying to be like, why can't I ever find

1416
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: a bowl and huge areas and be like, I don't

1417
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 1: care what you do. You cannot find a bowl and

1418
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: a huge area that I would have thought would be

1419
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: loaded with them. They ain't there right right? And I

1420
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: can tell that because I know we're all the ones

1421
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: that are there are you know, yep, Like no one

1422
01:24:55,160 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 1: likes that spot, No elk likes that spot. Yeah it's

1423
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: not always convenient, man, Yeah, you know it's interesting. I

1424
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: like this idea of replicable experiences, but also for me personally,

1425
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: I like, uh because I'm with like, there's nothing better

1426
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: than the second time in the spot where you sort

1427
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: of you got your titilated. The first time you're coming

1428
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: in feeling cocky, you know, like I know where they're

1429
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: gonna be, I know what that hillside looks like, I

1430
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: know where to look. We're not to look the third time.

1431
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: Often I'm kind of like, okay, yeah, and I'm starting

1432
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: to all of a sudden juggle in my head like

1433
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: I would be cool if I was just in a

1434
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: totally different spot, learning new country and just back at

1435
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: ground zero, because I enjoy so much just newness, you know.

1436
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: So Anyways, the boat we got, there's a lot to

1437
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: talk about. Um we Corey spotted it from the highway

1438
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: in a crazy place like up in like rock up

1439
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: in Rock Pile Cliff, not crazy, but steeping up that

1440
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 1: he had a time off. I saw when you guys

1441
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: were chopping him. The only reason he didn't go down

1442
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: that whole mountain by himself, as he got hung up

1443
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: on his own rack. It was a bull. We had

1444
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: seen a couple of miles away. Probably a couple of

1445
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: miles Yeah, we've seen it a couple miles away. He's

1446
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: very identifiable because he had busted off his he he

1447
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:35,440
Speaker 1: had big uh big Royals swords fourths, like really impressive

1448
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: like his other times or whatever. But he had he's

1449
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: like just freaking Narwaltuss coming out of his fourths and

1450
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: he had snapped his rack off behind that, So you

1451
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: knew you knew who you're looking at. Um, here's where

1452
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: this gets interesting. We had seen three bulls that looked

1453
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: like they had rubbed the hide on their backs. If

1454
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: you had saw in September, be like, oh he's been

1455
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: he's been wallowing and has dried mud on his back.

1456
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 1: But it's not September October, right, We're in the mid November.

1457
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 1: Three of them to have this. And we had talked

1458
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: even about like what is going out that dude's back?

1459
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 1: Why is he having that problem on his back? Hold

1460
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: that thought because it had been a very cold morning

1461
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: and the sun was just starting to hit the rocks

1462
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: and he was in this cliffy rocky area like you

1463
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: could imagine an area that would have great radiant heat.

1464
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know how in the hell Corey sees it.

1465
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: It was like yards above the road we were going

1466
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 1: sixty two. And it's because it's something not not that

1467
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: the trap, I means, one of the most incredible game

1468
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: spots I've ever seen. But he had come out to

1469
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 1: sun and was sitting broadside up by a rock, like

1470
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: basking in the sun. Um stock ass still okay, but

1471
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: on his feet not bedded. Keep in mind the ship

1472
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: with the back stuff. Okay. So we turn around and

1473
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: go park at a trailhead and we figure where we

1474
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: could climb up and do it like a ridge to

1475
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: ridge shot. Well, get up there. He's still there. We

1476
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 1: have a debate about what's up with that bull? Why

1477
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: is he doing that? And at times he's got his

1478
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: eyes closed and he's got his eyes open. We're like,

1479
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: he's like basking in the sun, um and killed him.

1480
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: We get up there, and that stuff on his back,

1481
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: like the hair on his back, you could pull it

1482
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: out in clumps, and he's got a big patch around

1483
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: his mound, around his hump. I later got on the

1484
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: phone with a with a state vat the bulls we

1485
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: were seeing had Maine and she says it's hard for

1486
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: him to keep warm. It can be bad enough where

1487
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: and he was thin, like a big long body, but

1488
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: but he tasted fine. We ate some last night. Just

1489
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: could be curious about it. Um hip bones sticking out,

1490
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: not like small backstraps, small backham smallish back hamp. Just

1491
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: look poor, you know what he looked like. It's like

1492
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: a like a like a milked out dairy cow, that

1493
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: kind of like skeleton here there. Even though like a

1494
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: big heavy rack. He had been feeling frisky enough to

1495
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 1: snap his to be fighting like built like like a

1496
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: great rack. I'm gonna have a rough rent winter. He's

1497
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: not gonna make the winter. And when I talked to

1498
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: that that she said, I said, well, he was skinny.

1499
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: She said, we see that they can't keep warm and

1500
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: they don't want to bed down, and they're just eating

1501
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 1: and it takes so much caloric energy. Um. And and

1502
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: it's funny, is that was his that hide there was

1503
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: frozen like wet and frozen. And she said, they're so

1504
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: hungry they can't keep warm. He had gone a couple

1505
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: of miles. Said, they're just on their feet, eating, eating,

1506
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: but they can't keep up with it. And she said,

1507
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: and in a bad winter, it can kill them before

1508
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: they get they can kill him before they get better.

1509
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: I don't think he was gonna live. He didn't have

1510
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: many days left. I don't think he was gonna live.

1511
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: We saw one once when I lived in Colorado. There

1512
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: was a little batch of bulls. There was I don't know,

1513
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: three or four of them. They were up above the

1514
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: hill the house on his hillside, nos Public. We'd watch

1515
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: him every day and one morning I'm laying in bed

1516
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at him, and I get my glasses

1517
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: out and I can see that he's got like snow

1518
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: on him, and it just snowed like a little dusting.

1519
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: I could see that he's like he's like bedded, but

1520
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 1: like looks like he's a little leaned over, you know.

1521
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: And that's like finally went got the spot and really

1522
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: looked close. I'm like, man, I think he just perished

1523
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: last night, you know, like we have been watching them

1524
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: the night before. And so Jennifer and I she was

1525
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: actually prego with our first one, and we hike up

1526
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: there real quick, bro saw with us, and uh, sure enough,

1527
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: there he is. Did it as a doornail, and he

1528
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: had that same patch but it wasn't on his mound

1529
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: but right on his hip, but a dinner plate size pass.

1530
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: And uh, when I talked to the and it was

1531
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: late I remember as my brother in law's birthday, which

1532
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: is h Nolah Marsch And uh yeah. The wardens said, yeah,

1533
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: winter weekends and spring kills. When I talked, I, we're

1534
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: bringing a patch that high. We got in touch with

1535
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: the state VAT and they want to we're bringing him

1536
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: a sample the hide so she can take a look

1537
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: at it. Um. She said, we see it. Um, we've

1538
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: been dealing with it for some years. We see a

1539
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of it. She named three or four places where

1540
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: you see a fair bit of it. Tends to hit

1541
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: old bulls m more than house. Um. Yeah, I don't know.

1542
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: And what's funny though, is Zip two shots right through

1543
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: the boiler room on him, and he kept his feet

1544
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: for a long time. He wasn't like unstrong, but at

1545
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 1: that I mean, it's mid November, man, and he already

1546
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: looks like it's mid November. He looked like what you'd

1547
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 1: expect him to look like in March. He was gonna

1548
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: make it he's got wolves to deal with. Yeah, I

1549
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: was gonna say, it's an easy wolf snack there, you know,

1550
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: and hanging out in him rock piles like that, he's

1551
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: gonna get cougared. You know. He's just got a lot.

1552
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: There's like there's no way that bull is gonna be alive,

1553
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 1: and a lot against him, there's no I mean, if

1554
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: you're looking at how and then he's not going to

1555
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: rebuild because it's already everything, he's already covered in snow.

1556
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't It came so early. Um, we're coming out

1557
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 1: of weeks of like unseasonably cold weather. I think that

1558
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be I mean, people killed a lot of

1559
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 1: elk this year. I had a lot of elker gun

1560
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: die this year. And then the fact that we saw

1561
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 1: three balls like that, all big bulls. I wonder we

1562
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: saw that bowl down. When we first saw him, he

1563
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: was down along the creek acting weird, acting weird. And

1564
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: then when Corey spotted him, he was way up high

1565
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 1: and there was always like an inversion every morning it

1566
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: seemed like where it was. Oh no, he wasn't acting weird.

1567
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: Done by the creek. I think I met that other

1568
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 1: bull that had that, that had that patch on his home.

1569
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's ex poaint that betted right along the road.

1570
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: He was acting weird. He was in the park, Yeah

1571
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 1: he was, But I wonder if he went all the

1572
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: way up high. They're just too seek warmer temperatures, you know,

1573
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: because downlong in the creek in the morning was freaking cold.

1574
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: I caught his track. He had been he had been

1575
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 1: zig zagging up that hill, feeding on you know that

1576
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 1: some of that some of that snow was Um what's

1577
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: it called when snow melts but doesn't melt. Um, that's

1578
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 1: what you do when you freeze dry something like the

1579
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: snow sublemates right like go from it just vanishes in

1580
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: the sun. And it happens even below freezing like it sublimates,

1581
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 1: bakes it off without like around stuff that gets radiant

1582
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 1: heat around rocks, You'll see it around tree trunks. Um,

1583
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: he was, uh, zigzagging up that feeding on that grass

1584
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,759
Speaker 1: that was melting away from the from the tree trunks

1585
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: that were getting sunlight. But yeah, he might have been

1586
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: going there to get warm. I don't know something I

1587
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: forgot to tell you. Uh, because Corey and I talked

1588
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 1: to the other tag holders last night. Um, they had

1589
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: videos of that ball that you killed in daily and

1590
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember the name they had for him, but

1591
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: there was a goofy name because they had him on

1592
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 1: their space. They had filmed them in the park and Uh,

1593
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: they that he was just acting goofy like they said

1594
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 1: that he would just like and they had videos of him.

1595
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 1: He would just turn around and kick up in the air,

1596
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: like spin around, kick up in the air, and then

1597
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 1: stand there and stare at the ground and then walk

1598
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: a little further. Like when he was walking, he would

1599
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 1: like it seemed like he was swaying a bunch and everything. Yeah,

1600
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 1: just acting goofy. And I can't remember the name they had.

1601
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 1: It was like they were like, what is up with

1602
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: this well I had and I don't. I don't think

1603
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 1: they've had it in there. I mean I could. I

1604
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: was just gonna ask about it. I don't think that.

1605
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: It's like talking to the vet about like the hair

1606
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: loss deal. Yeah, And we sat there talking about what

1607
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 1: was going on with him. Yeah, we contemplated shooting him

1608
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: because it's like, man, is that we played just shooting

1609
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: him for and then being like, hey we shot him,

1610
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, manage misery issue another tag place. No,

1611
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good when I got It's a beautiful Elk,

1612
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: yeah for sure, but it's crazy area. It's crazy area.

1613
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like. I've never seen anything like it.

1614
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can you do with a Yellowstone and

1615
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: go see. Yeah, let's go hang out in Lamar Valley

1616
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. Well, it sounds like a good hunt.

1617
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start applying again. Yeah, we both know a

1618
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: few people that have drawn with a lot less points

1619
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 1: than you drew. What you need to do is look

1620
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: up with someone it's got twenty points and do a

1621
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: party tag, give me a shout, be careful what you

1622
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 1: wish for good anything else you gotta wanna tell us about?

1623
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: Any other real highlights. I don't know, it's been fun epic. Man.

1624
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 1: If you think going in that like that week of

1625
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: hunting that we did, if everyone still had their tags,

1626
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: that would be a different experience. Oh m hm, you know,

1627
01:36:55,160 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: just like constantly running into the other tag holder, like

1628
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine they're being all like all five there

1629
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: would be interesting. If I'm not saying they should do this,

1630
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: be interesting if you broke it out, you made five

1631
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 1: chunks of time. M h. I mean I could say

1632
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 1: in archery season though, there's kind of like the bulls

1633
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: are in one spot right now. Archery season they're more

1634
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 1: spread out the other in a very confined area. No, man,

1635
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: it was I don't know, it was something. It was interesting.

1636
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: You seem a bit sad or down or something. Well,

1637
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of time thinking about that, and

1638
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: then you know, and then you do it. You do it,

1639
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: and then it's like listen, when I drew that tope

1640
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 1: doll sheep tag, we had a big chunk of time,

1641
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: square it up, you know, and got it like a

1642
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: beautiful ram real quick. And then I spent five years

1643
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: thinking about if we'd just run those ridges for ten days.

1644
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I don't know, like when

1645
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 1: you when I imagine Sunday, my kids will leave to

1646
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: go off to college, and I'll be real sad, and

1647
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: I'll think about when my when I my Bufford hunt

1648
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 1: was over. That's why it's nice to live in a

1649
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 1: state like Montana, where now we can think about dogs

1650
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and then we got mountain lions

1651
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 1: coming right on up, and before you know, we'll be

1652
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: thinking about turkeys. And then I got you turkey at

1653
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: Doug Durn's. That's the highlight of my ear. That's a

1654
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: replicable experience. No, it's just suppressing, man, because it's like

1655
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:46,879
Speaker 1: it was like so exciting, yeah, because you see you know, Yeah,

1656
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's just like it's all part

1657
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: of the thing. It's all part of the experience. I've

1658
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 1: drawn some incredible permits, and it's like I did a

1659
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: cool hunt and Idaho this year, and I'll like to

1660
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: if I could just go do that all the time,

1661
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I would give up everything else. Corey and I were

1662
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 1: at the cabin this morning and we described it as

1663
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: like the day after Christmas. Yeah, yeah, sure, man, it's

1664
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: all part of it. It's like it's exciting to draw it.

1665
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: You're so happy. You do all the research, you find

1666
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: all the people that had it before, you share notes.

1667
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: You're like living for it, you know, and then you

1668
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. Then all of a sudden you're done.

1669
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just sad, not in a bad way.

1670
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it's it's it's sad and a

1671
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: great way. It's sad and a great way. It's sad

1672
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 1: and a great way. This one. When I draw the tag,

1673
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Speaker 1: I'll invite you, Steve. I'll need a second set of eyes.

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01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: It's pretty fun man, you too, Garrett. It's a little sad.

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01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: Feel sad for me. Philm We make a musical called

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01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: The Buffer Zone Musical Theater. We have one guy that

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01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,560
Speaker 1: can sing and dance. We know that I'll play the

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01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 1: park ranger. Mr Ronnelly don't want to go that way.

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01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: Rules as rules. Oh, I don't tell you. One last thing, man,

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01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: we got a show like if I ever. It's a

1681
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 1: new show called Dog Justice. I'll tell you about some

1682
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: our time. It's a great show concept. I'm gonna share

1683
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,600
Speaker 1: them with you. I heard about another new show concept.

1684
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: I was the last night at dinner or on this morning,

1685
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: my daughter after we hunted Wisconsin deer Camp this weekend.

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01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 1: She got to come for the first time and U

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01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: she was on a high last night after dinner. She's like,

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01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 1: let's play a game of cribice. You know, I'm like cards.

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01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: She's been playing cards for a while. But just like, yeah,

1690
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: she was in the in the groove, you know. It

1691
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: was all the guys cooled her, even though she's a girl. Yeah,

1692
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: you're worried about that because the old you know, old

1693
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: fellers deer camp. Yeah. Yeah, they had to say a

1694
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 1: few jokes, you know, maybe under their breath, you know,

1695
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: or look around before they said something. But not for

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01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: the most part, it was no, I would not. For

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01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: the most part, it was all great, but she came

1698
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: at me last night or this morning, was like, I

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01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 1: got a new show idea me, Jimmy and Ronnella. We'll

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01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: call it the Next Generation. I love it. Oh? Was

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01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: she was? Was I the first woman at deer Camp? Yes,

1702
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah. Over fifty years she'll be running it. Someday,

1703
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: could be she'll be running deer Camp. Yeah. And in

1704
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: a hundred years there might be a guy who was like,

1705
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm the first guy that's been here in fifty years.

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01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:03,719
Speaker 1: It's all women. Well he's coming down, Ni. Yeah, you're welcome.

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01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: That was enjoyable. I'm glad I got to hear the story,

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01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, full story. So busy these days we often

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01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: don't get swapped hunting stories fully like that. Yeah, Steve,

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01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 1: I've told you before that my favorite shows are the

1711
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 1: authors and the archaeologists and the historians, UM and I

1712
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,799
Speaker 1: Usually sometimes I'll scroll my phone during the hunting stories.

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01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: But that was a good show. This one was Are

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01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 1: you saying next? I bought tickets to your thing? Yes?

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01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: Do you get a cart to the door? No comment?

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01:42:38,320 --> 01:43:00,080
Speaker 1: All right, thank you everybody. E