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Speaker 1: Let's roll. Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 1: New York Football Giants. I am John Schmelk. He was

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Speaker 1: one of our original draft analysts that joined us on

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Speaker 1: our Giants content, probably almost a decade ago now, and

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Speaker 1: it's good to talk to me again. It's been a

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Speaker 1: couple of years. He is Rob rang who covers the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft for Fox Sports. You can find all his

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Speaker 1: great stuff on Fox sports dot com. Rob. It's good

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Speaker 1: to talk to you, man. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very well, John, Thanks so much for having

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Speaker 2: me on. It's great to see it. Great to talk

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Speaker 2: to you as well, sir.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is great to reconnect again.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: So let's start here. We'll start with the micro first,

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Speaker 1: with the combine coming up next week, we'll start on

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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. Who are the offensive

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Speaker 1: players that you're most anxious to see work at the

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Speaker 1: combine and get some numbers on their athleticism and maybe

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Speaker 1: even their their measurements.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that you have to start the conversation

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Speaker 2: at quarterback, I mean always just It's not just because

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Speaker 2: it's obviously the most important position in sports, but the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four draft class john is really a gifted

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Speaker 2: class when it comes to quarterbacks. I would love to

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Speaker 2: see the speed from say a JJ McCarthy, or just

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Speaker 2: to see Jade and Daniels. I mean, obviously he won

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Speaker 2: the Heisman Trophy. We know how accurate that he is

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Speaker 2: down the field. But I think it's gonna be awful

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Speaker 2: lot of fun to see him in Lucas Oil Stadium

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Speaker 2: just throwing those darts all over the field. And then

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Speaker 2: to see if there is any if there is if

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Speaker 2: it came to Williams, if Drake May, if they choose

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Speaker 2: to throw the football, if there is any way that

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Speaker 2: they can separate themselves a little bit, And then of

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Speaker 2: course the other skill positions that this is yet another

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Speaker 2: extremely talented wide receiver group. I want to see if

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Speaker 2: all of the hype is justified. When it comes to

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Jr. We know he's a terrific football player,

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Speaker 2: but is he gonna run in the four threes like

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Speaker 2: his dad did all those years ago? Some people had

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Speaker 2: his dad in the four twos. So I'm curious about that.

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Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors from LSU. I think is a guy that

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Speaker 2: is likely to light up the stop watches. So I'm

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Speaker 2: very curious about him. And you know, one of my

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Speaker 2: to get a lot more buzz for himself. I mentioned

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Speaker 2: one national champion in JJ McCarthy at his wide receiver

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Speaker 2: Roman Wilson. When he winds up running in the four threes,

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Speaker 2: then all this talk I have. I've had him in

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Speaker 2: the second round all year long, and some people have

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Speaker 2: been kind of scoffing at that. When he runs in

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Speaker 2: the four three, John, I think that there's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of people jumping on his bandwagon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, I kind of put him

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Speaker 1: in Lad McConkie in the same type of bucket, right,

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Speaker 1: I kind of same type of position, the way they

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Speaker 1: play receiver. I'm curious to see how McConkie runs. Some

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Speaker 1: people think he's gonna be in the four fours. I

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Speaker 1: watch him on tape. I think he's maybe closer to

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Speaker 2: What is he going to run? Right?

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Speaker 1: How can he separate himself from the Brian Thomases, the

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Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell, the Troy Franklins with I think that second

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Speaker 2: Chef's choice, I think is a great way of putting it.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're like a Key On Coleman, for example,

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Speaker 1: Five, yeah, four right, something like that.

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Speaker 2: I agree exactly. I think that's a very good time

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Speaker 2: Roman Wilson, not like a Troy Franklin from from Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Those guys I expect to be again in the four

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Speaker 2: Georgia Bulldogs. It's not just a straight line speed that

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Speaker 2: I want to see from lab mccunky. I want to

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Speaker 2: see like the shuttle times because again, those are the

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Speaker 2: Put some actual numbers to what we've been seeing on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw him shake guys at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: Because I think when you talk about that second group

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Speaker 1: of people have Fuanga ahead of a lot of the

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it is going to be some of

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Speaker 2: the athletic testing. It's also going to be the you know,

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Speaker 2: be just the interview process as well. You know, many

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Speaker 2: of those offensive linemen were asked to play in relatively

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Speaker 2: simple schemes at the collegiate level, and so how are

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Speaker 2: general managers. But I love the fact that you mentioned

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Speaker 2: the offensive lineman in terms of workouts because I think

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Speaker 2: ten yard splits. Excuse me, it's not just that they

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Speaker 2: want forty yard dash times. They don't want big, sloppy guys.

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Speaker 2: They want guys who are legitimate athletes. And so, because

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Speaker 2: this is a terrific offensive tackle class, and I say

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Speaker 2: specifically offensive tackles is a solid garden center group. But

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Speaker 2: the tackles are just as good as it gets. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it is the best positional group by far in this

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Speaker 2: draft class. I'm curious to see what, say Itali s. C. Fluaga,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised at all, John, if they're both

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Speaker 2: Considering that each of them are three hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: Tyler Geyton from Oklahoma as well. Those are the three

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Speaker 2: if he runs a time like them, then that that's

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Speaker 2: just that much more freedom and stay. Again what we've

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Speaker 2: So I do think that it's gonna be an interesting

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Speaker 2: do think you're gonna see some differentiation this year from

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Speaker 2: the combine and where people are going to start stacking

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Speaker 2: people seem to be. I do think that he'll work

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Speaker 2: to see a little bit of a gap between that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, we even mentioned a guy

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Speaker 1: the last one. On offense real quick. I almost feel

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Speaker 1: for brock Bowers here, Rob. I know you're a huge

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Speaker 1: brock Bowers guy. I think he's a great player too.

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Speaker 1: I think the expectations now were so high for him

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Speaker 1: and how he's going to work out, like he can't

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Speaker 1: that's what we expected out of Brock Bowers. That's how

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Speaker 1: high the expectations I think are for his testing.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. I mean, I just wrote an

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Speaker 2: arc Fox Sports on the top ten tight ends in

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Speaker 2: this draft class, and you know, the headline I gave

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Speaker 2: was that Brock is special and so is the depth

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Speaker 2: we're just gonna call Brock Bawers historic. And I think,

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Speaker 2: my goodness, pressure, you're putting it on this young man. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's be real. This is a guy who only played

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Speaker 2: All American. He's a two time John mckiw Award winner,

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Speaker 2: you know, for a two time national champion. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's a phenomenal player. He is the best tight end

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Speaker 2: But I do see a phenomenal player. I see a

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Speaker 1: No, I agree, medical is going to be huge for him. Quarterback, Rob,

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Speaker 1: Right? Before we move on to some bigger top of

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Speaker 2: Honest with the not really, I mean, I expect what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can someone go from role player to a guy?

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Speaker 2: is that this is a love that recognizes that he's

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Speaker 2: a talent, recognizes that he's a leader, and he's just

434
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 2: as gutty as it gets. I mean, this is a

435
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 2: guy who's gone through some big hits and and played

436
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 2: well at times for them. But you don't have to

437
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 2: reset the clock, of course, and with that rookie contract,

438
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 2: otherwise you're gonna be paying a player that frankly hasn't

439
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 2: demonstrated that he can put a team on his back

440
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 2: and at least carry him with his arm. He can

441
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 2: carry them with his legs. He's demonstrated that. So I

442
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: think that there is a possibility that a club comes

443
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 2: up and makes that trade and Chicago maybe moves two

444
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: or three or four spots down, and that you could

445
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 2: see some, you know, a wide receiver like a Marvin

446
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 2: Harrison junior. You could see a Brock Bowers, you could,

447
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: you know. I don't I think that you are going

448
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: to see quarterbacks come off the board with two of

449
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 2: the top three picks, maybe even all, you know, three

450
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 2: in a row. I just I'm nervous about this quarterback

451
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 2: class at the very very top. I don't see a

452
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 2: huge difference between a Caleb Williams, as talented as he is.

453
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 2: I have some concerns about the leadershipability. I have some

454
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,679
Speaker 2: concerns about the hero ball tendencies I see with him

455
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: a lot of freedom. Yeah, everybody cites the fact that

456
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: he doesn't throw very many interceptions, but my goodness, he

457
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 2: fumbles the balling off a lot, you know. And Drake

458
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: may as good as he is at North Carolina, I

459
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: just I wanted to see more big games from him.

460
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: The fact that he struggled against North Carolina State at

461
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 2: the very end of his Richard sophomore year and then

462
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 2: still decided to come out early again raises some questions

463
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: for me about, you know, the mental aspect of this. Now,

464
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,239
Speaker 2: he is very well known on the scouting circuit as

465
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: far as being a you know, a great competitor, but

466
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: still I have some concerns about him. And then, oh,

467
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: by the way, Jane Daniels, as good as he is,

468
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: I think that when you start looking at the wide

469
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 2: receiver talent that he had, then it's easier to pick

470
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: some holes in his game as well. So again, I

471
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: liked all three quarterbacks, but I also like guys like

472
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: a Michael Pennix or a oh Nicks. Uh you know that.

473
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: I think that obviously you're going to be able to

474
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: get a little bit later in this draft class. And

475
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: so I think that some of the special talent actually

476
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: plays closer to the line of scrimmage. And so that's

477
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Speaker 2: why I wouldn't be surprised at all, John if we

478
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 2: see some teams that are going to be looking to

479
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: move or uh you know, looking to try to perhaps

480
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: not go for the gamble of the young quarterback instead

481
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Speaker 2: go with different positions.

482
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Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, So the Giants at six here, I

483
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 1: think if they want to get Daniels, may or Williams,

484
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to trade up, right, Do you agree

485
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 1: with that one of those guys won't be sitting there

486
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: at six? I agree, So I.

487
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: Believe so but again, I like, to me the one

488
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: that Dayton Daniels is the one that I think could

489
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: slip down the board just a little bit, because again,

490
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: when people start to look at that slim frame, he's

491
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: another one. You know, we just kind of brushed over

492
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: him as far as the combine. What is he actually

493
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 2: weigh in at?

494
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

495
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: You know, and when you get the eye test, you know,

496
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 2: we're coming off of the year when everybody made fun

497
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: about you know, Bryce Young and the high heels that

498
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: he was wearing essentially you know, when he was at

499
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: the pot him at the Combine a year ago. I mean,

500
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: is Jayden and Daniels going to be wearing loose fitting

501
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: sweats because he's got thighs like a runway model more

502
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: than like an NFL quarterback, And there's gonna be some

503
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: concerns about that. I think that that's one of the

504
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: things that the Combine is all about, the over analysis

505
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: of all these players. Obviously, Jane Dan's a terrific football player.

506
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: I saw that back in Arizona State, much less what

507
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: he did at LSU, of course, but at the same time,

508
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: so many of the things that Jane Daniels did so

509
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: well at both Asu and Lsu was his improvisation ability

510
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: and his ability to scramble. And you start getting some

511
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: of the linebackers in the NFC East hitting those quarterbacks,

512
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: especially a slim guy like a Jane Daniels, then again

513
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some concerns.

514
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Speaker 1: You mentioned that next group, and I think this is

515
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: where it gets interesting, right, And I would put McCarthy, Heennix,

516
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: and Knicks kind of in that next group together. Where

517
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: do you when do you think those three guys are

518
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: going to stop start going off the boards? Because I

519
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: have giant fans tweeting me, all right, well, the top

520
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: three guys are on that fine, just take one of

521
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: the other three guys at six. And I'm sitting there like,

522
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: how am I gonna not pick am elite neighbors Roma Dunzie,

523
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: Joe Alter, Olu Fashanu, who I think are all legitimate

524
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: blue chip players right that I think are gonna be

525
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber players at very important positions to select

526
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that look, we know Daniel Jones had his injury issues,

527
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: but just from like a talent tools perspective, I don't

528
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: know if those guys are any better than what Daniel

529
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: Jones has in terms of physical tools, right, So how

530
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: early would you start thinking about the McCarthy, Heennix, and

531
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: bo Nick's group when you get to that second group

532
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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks.

533
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Speaker 2: So for me, John, I have the four quarterbacks that

534
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: I think are easy first round selections, the three that

535
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: we've already mentioned before, Caleb Williams, Drake May, Jayden Dance,

536
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: and then JJ McCarthy in my mind as the first

537
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: round quarterback. I know the statistics don't suggest that, but

538
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: it is the composure in big games, and obviously he

539
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: had a lot of big games at Michigan. It is

540
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 2: the pinpoint accuracy when he needed it that I am

541
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 2: just willing to project to the NFL and obviously played

542
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: in a pro style scheme and all those things we

543
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: talked about Jane Daniels in a slim frame, you know,

544
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what JJ McCarthy is going to

545
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 2: weigh in at just how accurate it was Michigan who

546
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: listed him a one hundred niney nine pounds for much

547
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: of this past season, So I'm curious to see what

548
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy looks like in person in that way. But

549
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 2: what I see with him is a legitimate first round

550
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: caliber quarterback. I think Michael Pennix, when he has a

551
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: clean pocket, he's might just be the most accurate quarterback

552
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 2: in this draft. Cliss, I mean there are some moments

553
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: where he looks like an all pro, certainly in a

554
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 2: Sugar Bowl victory over Texas that a lot of people watched.

555
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: You know, that was as spectacular for performance as I've

556
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: seen at the college level since maybe Joe Burrow in

557
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: the National Championship a couple of years back. I mean,

558
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: it was just spectacus. The accuracy on the thirty forty

559
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: fifty yard bombs that he was throwing. And then you

560
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: watch them against Michigan, you watch them against Oregon, you

561
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: watch them against Stanford, even Oregon State. There were some

562
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: times when once he got pushed off of his spot,

563
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: then the accuracy plummets. And of course in the NFL

564
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: that's going to happen all the time. And don't even

565
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: have to mention the durability issues that he has had

566
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: over his illustrious career. You know, those first four years

567
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: in Indiana, all of them ended with injuries, including two

568
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: acls and one an injury to his throwing shoulder. So

569
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: again there's some scary stuff there. Bo Nicks is such

570
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: an interesting, dynamic quarterback, dual threat guy, but at the

571
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: same time, I haven't seen a lot of the clutch

572
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: factor that I want to see from a quarterback if

573
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: I'm going to take him in the first round. So

574
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: in my opinion, John, I've got those four quarterbacks again

575
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: in the order, Caleb Williams, Drake May Jade and Daniels

576
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. I think all four of them are going

577
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: to be top twenty selections. After that, I think that

578
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: there's a possibility. I do believe it's gonna be Michael Pennix,

579
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: assuming that the medical comes out. Kain. I think it's

580
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 2: gonna be Michael Penk's gonna be the fifth quarterback off

581
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: the board, and I think that's gonna happen somewhere either

582
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: in the last couple of selections in the first round,

583
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: maybe somebody trading backup into the tail portion of the

584
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: first round to get that fifth year rookie option on

585
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: the on the contract, or in the top of the

586
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: second round. That's where I think that he should go

587
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: is in the top of the second round. For me,

588
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks is a solid second round pick. I love

589
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: the dual threat ability, but again, the fact that he

590
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: beat Alabama as a freshman Auburn is exciting, but he

591
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: gave the O one his helmet, and I apologize here,

592
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: but the O one his helmet basically suggests just about

593
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: how many times that he was able to beat his rivals.

594
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: After that, he ended up beating Oregon State once, but

595
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: he also lost once and then he of course, you know,

596
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: had a donut against the University of Washington over two seasons,

597
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: including the pack Field Championship game when they were a

598
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: huge favorite, and there were some disappointing throws in those games.

599
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: So again, I for me to your point about all

600
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: of the talent a wide receiver and offensive tackle in particular,

601
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: and again I would argue that tight end corner there's

602
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: some really good players out there as well for the

603
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: Giants at number six overall, considering the flashes that we've

604
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: seen from Daniel Jones, I just think that the Giants

605
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: would be in a better position to go with a

606
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: different player and a different position. A Molik neighbors a

607
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: romadoons one of those offensive tackles. I personally think the

608
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: wide receivers are where the Giants should go, just because

609
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: I think I want to see Daniel Jones when he

610
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: has a full legitimate superstar wide receiver out there, and

611
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: then really assess what he can do.

612
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, rob And then look, if you

613
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: want to back yourself up here and get another young

614
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: quarterback in the building and maybe you're the team that

615
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: moves up into the very end of the first round

616
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: to grab Pennix as competition. Great, I'm fine with that.

617
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: I just can't sell myself hearthy at six over the

618
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: guys you mentioned. So we're on the same page Neighbors

619
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: of Dunezia. How much do you have separating those two

620
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: players in terms of great obviously different styles. I think, oh,

621
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Dunza probably fits the hole in the Giants receiving core better.

622
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: They have a speed guy in Hyatt, a slot guy

623
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: in Robinson. They're missing that true X which I think

624
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: a Duneza is right, while Neighbors is more of kind

625
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: of that two way inside outside type of guy. But

626
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: I think Neighbors probably is a higher graded player for

627
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: me overall. How much is separating those two guys for you?

628
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: Not much? I think if they both deserve, you know,

629
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: legitimate top ten conversation. As you said, they're very different

630
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: type players. You know, I'm a big Dons guy just

631
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: because the fact that he basically played his ball in

632
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, my backyard. Essentially, I'm over here, you know,

633
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: a greater Seattle area, and I basically was being able

634
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: to watch every game that he's played at University Washington

635
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: the last three years and just time after time why

636
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: Washington would go to him in critical situations. And with

637
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: the one exception of the National Championship game where you know,

638
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: Penix missed him on a deep ball that was a

639
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: huge play in that game. And whether you want to

640
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: blame Penix, you want to blame Roma Dunza, whatever, the

641
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: obviously there was a mix up there and the play

642
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: didn't happen. But otherwise, when the ball is in the air,

643
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: Roma Dunsay comes down with it. And so that is

644
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: something that I think would really fit in nicely with

645
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: the New York Giants. And I can speak to Roma

646
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: Dunsday's just his character, his work ethic, his toughness. You know.

647
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: The broken ribs is now a story that's been well circulated.

648
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 2: I mean that that happened in I believe in late

649
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: September early October. He played all year long with broken

650
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: ribs that he is not a diva wide receiver exactly.

651
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: And and there is some concern, I guess, or at

652
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: least for some that Molie Neighbors may be a little

653
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: bit of that, and I would push back against that.

654
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: I hesitated even to mention it. But again that's where

655
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: I think that because these wide receivers are so are

656
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: stacked so close together, that I do think that that's

657
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: something you have to get. You have to learn a

658
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: little bit more about the Neighbors did not play a

659
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: senior season of high school football because he had a

660
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: late transfer, and so that people are going to want

661
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: to know why he made that late transfer. Now, his

662
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: high school coach, the new high school coach in which

663
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: she went to, was kind of a few sivenus praise

664
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: of Moliku Neighbors as a senior and how he was

665
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: coaching his new teammates from the sideline. So not to

666
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: me shows a young man at seventeen eighteen years old

667
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: that that does have his heart and mind in the

668
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: right place. But at the same time, why the transfer

669
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: in the first place, Why the you know, why wasn't

670
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: he even more productive than he was LSU? And he

671
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: was unbelievably productive and he left after the records. Yeah,

672
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: exactly the most productive player receiver in LSU history. But

673
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: still when you watch the talent of this young man,

674
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: it's like, my goodness, this guy really should be able

675
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: to come into the NFL and be a superstars. So

676
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: if you're gonna, you know, just put me on the

677
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: spot here. I think the better players Malik Neighbors, That's who.

678
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: I think that every team that needs another wide receiver is.

679
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: The Giants, in my opinion, do even though he's a

680
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: little bit more of a duplicate to what you already

681
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: have on the field. And again, I love Roma Dunza,

682
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: but I do think that his skill set fits in

683
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: better with what the Giants currently have right now on paper.

684
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I think that Milik Neighbors

685
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: is a guy that can make more people miss in

686
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: a foam booth and make bigger plays more consistently rather

687
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: than just down the field. And when I see Daniel Jones,

688
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: I see a guy that, because of his running ability,

689
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: I would love to see a little bit more kind

690
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: of read option type of runs and just enthrows that

691
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: are this short to intermediate level rather than the deep

692
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: down the field post corner routes and you know the

693
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: jump ball situations kind of routes that I think that

694
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: a donze is better than neighbors. Yeah, neighbors can.

695
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: Turn a five yard catch into an eighty yard on

696
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: snap their fingers. I think, once again, Robin Funny, we

697
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: haven't exchanged notes. We're very much on the same page

698
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: on all this stuff. Two top offensive tackles, Joe al

699
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Olu Fashu. I can't quite figure it out. I know

700
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: he didn't have the best game against Ohio State, especially

701
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. I thought he was pretty good

702
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: early in that game. People seem to be a little

703
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: down on Olu Fashanu, and I don't quite know why

704
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: you said it in your scattering report. I think you

705
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: said you would never call a three hundred and twenty

706
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: pound man graceful, But that's what you call Olufashu, and

707
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: I agree. I love the way he moves. If you

708
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: like all the a little bit better, I think that's fine,

709
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: and some people do. He's also a really good player.

710
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: But you know people that are to maybe fashion Wu

711
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: is the third best tackle, I think that's crazy talk.

712
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: How close do you have Alton Fashinu on your list?

713
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: And how close do you think they are in terms

714
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: of grade?

715
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: I have all by a fairly significant margin. And the

716
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: reason why is I just think that he's more pro ready.

717
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: And again that's fair, I agree with that. I hate

718
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: to to, you know, question people's toughness and things like that,

719
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: because I have not been that locker room out met

720
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: any of these players, these particular players in person. But

721
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: with all, what I've seen is just the ability to

722
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: move people consistently in the running game as well as

723
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: in past protection. But Sean, and again, as you said, uh,

724
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: you know the grace, I think that he could be

725
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: a better player than all. I think he could be

726
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: the best offensive tackle in this class. And that's saying

727
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: an awful lot because this is a spectacular class. I

728
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: don't think he currently is that. And just given some

729
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: of the pass rushers that he's going to see in

730
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: the NFC East Division specifically, uh, that's what would make

731
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: me a little bit nervous. And and just New York

732
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: City is such a unique place, a unique market. I

733
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: think that that the the Giants have to do their

734
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: homework on terms of not only obviously the tape, but

735
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: just the young man in his mentality, what he's going

736
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: to bring there, And so that's something that I don't

737
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: know either of these players well enough, but what I

738
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: can say is that you go to notre game, then

739
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: the expectations are through the roof, and so I do

740
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: think that there's something to be said about that. So

741
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: I again, I just think that Alt is the safer player.

742
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's ever going to be an

743
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: all pro. I think that he is going to be

744
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 2: a ten year starter for you. And again the fact

745
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: that his father, of course is a you know, NFL

746
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: offensive lineman and you know the Pro Bowls, all that

747
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Again, I just think that he's a

748
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: safer player. If you are going for the home run,

749
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: then I definitely understand why Johnny would be somebody that

750
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: the teams would be really excited about. And I know

751
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: for a fact I've talked to some clubs that do

752
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: view him as the best tackle in this class. At

753
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: least that's what they're telling me. And and I wouldn't

754
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: be surprised at all to see both of them come

755
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: off the board in top ten.

756
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

757
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

758
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

759
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: you ready for all that life breaks?

760
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: Agree?

761
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: Would you cons that are given your love for the player.

762
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: I know it's a different position. Would you take Bowers

763
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: over either alt or Neighbors or Dunezia.

764
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: I was strong to consider it, especially for a team

765
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: like the Giants, especially if they bring back a you know,

766
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley. And so you have again a quarterback in

767
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones who has the athleticism to be able to

768
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: keep defenses honest. You have a running back who has

769
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: that true you know, like you said before with Lake

770
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: Neighbors can turn a five yard play into an eighty

771
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: yard play. Berkley can do that, of course. And Bowers

772
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: to me, is I think that he compliments with the

773
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: Giants already have so so well, you know so. And again,

774
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: the expectation of playing for a national champion. The confidence

775
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: as a young man who grows up in California and

776
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: says I want to play SEC football and goes all

777
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: the way across the country starts, of course as a

778
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: freshman at Georgia. It has all of that success and

779
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: it never goes to his head. I mean, everybody. You know,

780
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: he's described as Captain America by some of his teammates

781
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: because not only because he's All America three years in

782
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: a row, but because of just how down to earth

783
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: and easy going and humble and and what a leader

784
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: that he has been for them. So to me, there's

785
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: I think that that should be a conversation. I can't

786
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: believe I'm saying that for a tight end, you know,

787
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: at number six overall, But that's just how darn good

788
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: I think that brock Bowers is all right.

789
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: Final question and then great stuff, Rob. This has been awesome,

790
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: it's been great catching up with you. How willing would

791
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: you be for the Giants at six to trade out

792
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: of that spot, you know, out past ten let's say,

793
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: anytime any pick after ten and trade out of the

794
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: chance to get one of these blue chip players, which, frankly,

795
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't think there's been many blue chip guys in

796
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: the last couple of drafts like they are in this draft.

797
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: So I'm always a guy that says, you know, trade down,

798
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: get extra picks. I'm always down for that. But given

799
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: the strength at the top of this class and how

800
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are probably gonna make up three of the verse

801
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: five or six picks. You can get a top three

802
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: position player in this draft sitting there at six Robin

803
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: again true, legit, top five in any draft type of player.

804
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: How willing would you be to consider moving out of

805
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: that sixth spot in a draft like this?

806
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: Well, John, you're such a pro. You gave me this

807
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: compliment before. I kind of give you a wet blanket

808
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: answer here, you know. So, but what I guess what

809
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: I would say is, you know, obviously it depends on

810
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: the offer that you're getting. But I think your point

811
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: is well made because I do expect to see some

812
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: quarterbacks come off the board early, and so that's of

813
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: course going to push down some of these dynamic wide receivers,

814
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: a tight end the offensive lineman that we agree would

815
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: make make an awful lot of sense wearing you know,

816
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: big blue, you know, and so that to me is

817
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: probably going to be too much for me to want

818
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: to trade down. That said, I think this is a

819
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: unique draft class, and it's because of the nil and

820
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: the transfer policy that we've seen. Just recently wrote an

821
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: article about this and started talking to some people, uh,

822
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: some NFL scouts out there about how this has changed

823
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: the landscape and there was just so many young men

824
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: that would go into the NFL draft because they basically

825
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: felt trapped. They were lured by the finances of the

826
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: NFL contract and now they're getting paid this nil money,

827
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: or they're just transferring to another school where they feel

828
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: like they're going to be you know, better utilized and

829
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: put up even better statistics. So I don't think that

830
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: the depth of this year's draft is quite as good

831
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: as it's been in the past. I do agree with

832
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: you that there's there's definitely some blue chip talent in

833
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: this year's class that we haven't seen some time in

834
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: some time. And so for the Giants to be saying

835
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: there at number six overall, and we're anticipating at least

836
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: two of you know, two of those first five selections

837
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: are going to be quarterbacks, again, you're gonna have an

838
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: awfully good football player looking at you. And so if

839
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: you get a whole bunch of if the trade offers

840
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: that you get are obviously they're gonna get a first

841
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: round selection, two, perhaps three, depending how far you trade down.

842
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: If you get those type of selections, second and third

843
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: round picks, top one hundred picks in this draft class,

844
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: then I'm considering it. If you have a club out

845
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: there that is going to give you their entire draft

846
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: board basically, but it's going to be a lot of

847
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: four fifths, six seventh round picks. You get ten picks

848
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: to move down five spots. I would be cautious about

849
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: that because I don't think that the value the depth

850
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: of this year's class is nearly as rich as it's

851
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: been in the past. I've heard a lot of people

852
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: out there kind of suggest that all just trade for

853
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: next year's draft class it should be better. I don't

854
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: know that's going to be the case. I think that

855
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: unless we see something change with the Supreme Court and

856
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: the NC double A, I don't know that the nil

857
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: or transfer policy is going to change anytime soon. So

858
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't think the next year's draft class is necessarily

859
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: going to be that much deeper than this one is.

860
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean, just look at eight and just look at

861
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: starfer interrupting the eight Ohio State players that went back

862
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: two or three of which we're going to be probably

863
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Speaker 1: late first round picks. When you never see that, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'll just follow thing because I think you make a

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Speaker 1: good point. I agree, there's a cliff that's going to

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Speaker 1: come late in this draft. That's a lot sooner than usual.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you on that, but I do think, at

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Speaker 1: least in my opinion, I'm usually a pretty tough greader.

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Speaker 1: Rob Usually at the end of this process, I'll have

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Speaker 1: around between seventeen and nineteen first round grades on players

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Speaker 1: as of right now, and I haven't done my final

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Speaker 1: work on guys. I've done my kind of my my

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Speaker 1: broad looks. I'm closer to twenty two to twenty four

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Speaker 1: this year. I do think it's a very very strong

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Speaker 1: top of the draft, even though the depth later on

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Speaker 1: might not be great.

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Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree with you. And then that's

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Speaker 2: why I think that it is. I think teams are

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Speaker 2: gonna be looking to trade out and to acquire those

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Speaker 2: Day one and Day two picks if they can get them.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that the clubs that are looking

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Speaker 2: to pedal Day three selections are going to be able

883
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Speaker 2: to create quite as much movement at the top. So

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Speaker 2: if the Giants at number six are going to trade down,

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Speaker 2: I think you're talking about a trade down from six

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Speaker 2: to eight, six to ten something like that, not six

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Speaker 2: to sixteen. You know, those kinds of things just because

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00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: again I don't see the value this year. I agree

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Speaker 2: with dropping off the clip. It's the Marianna's trench in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, once you get to about the fifth round,

891
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Speaker 2: just because of again what we talked about, the nil

892
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Speaker 2: transfer policy. And then again there's a number of players

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Speaker 2: in this year's class that have some medical questions and

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Speaker 2: that's traditionally where teams have started to kind of roll

895
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Speaker 2: the dice is about the fifth round. That to me,

896
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Speaker 2: is what you're gonna be left with is sexting a

897
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Speaker 2: player in the fifth round who might need that medical

898
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Speaker 2: resture as his first year in the NFL. And for

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Speaker 2: a team like the Giants, they're looking to capitalize again

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Speaker 2: presumably Sik Kwon Barkley is back and Daniel Jones coming

901
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: out the injury. You're gonna win now. You're not looking

902
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 2: to build for the future when you have a team

903
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Speaker 2: that's that's built on veterans.

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Speaker 1: And then conversely, Robin, I promise this is actually the

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Speaker 1: last one. How much would you be willing to give

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Speaker 1: to move up in this class? Right if the Giants decide,

907
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, we believe in this quarterback at three, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Drake may or Jayden Daniels, whoever happens to be there.

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00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: Let's say the Patriots trade for Justin Fields right and

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Speaker 1: don't need a quarterback, but they're willing to move out

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Speaker 1: of three. You know, we've seen this happen before when

912
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Speaker 1: they just moved the three spots in the first hand

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Speaker 1: it was three second round picks. I think given the

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Speaker 1: way this threat is structured, I think it might be

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Speaker 1: more expensive than that. How and again you said you

916
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Speaker 1: do have some red flags are strong, but you do

917
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Speaker 1: have some risk in the top of this quarterback class.

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Speaker 1: How much would you be willing to give to move

919
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Speaker 1: up or would you say no, no, no, I'm going

920
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Speaker 1: to take the position player and stay put at six.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would be intrigued, just because I have

922
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Speaker 2: such great confidence in Brian Dable as a head coach

923
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Speaker 2: and his ability to coach quarterbacks specifically. I would entertain

924
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Speaker 2: the thought. But at the same time, I don't think

925
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: I ultimately would want to do that because I do

926
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Speaker 2: believe that given the I'll use red flags, given the

927
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Speaker 2: red flags I see with Cable Williams, the lack of

928
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Speaker 2: experience that with Drake May and you know, the the

929
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Speaker 2: factor with jayde and Daniels that he had such dynamic

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Speaker 2: wide receivers at LSU. I see all three of those

931
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks is in some ways very similar. They all have

932
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Speaker 2: unbelievable tape. They also have some really scary tape out

933
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Speaker 2: there as well, and so I'm intrigued by that. I

934
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Speaker 2: think that the better solution for the Giants is a

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Speaker 2: stand pad at number six overall, allow one of those

936
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Speaker 2: especially wide receiver in my opinion, or a pass catcher,

937
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Speaker 2: because I'm gonna throw Bowers into that conversation, but I

938
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Speaker 2: do think that that would be this smarter move giving

939
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Speaker 2: the talent that I expect to be on the Giants

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Speaker 2: in terms of the veterans moving forward next year.

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Speaker 1: And if you go offensive tackle, you feel pretty good

942
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Speaker 1: about a wide receiver top of the second round. The

943
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: good player is going to be there for you, right.

944
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Speaker 2: No question. But you can go either way because I

945
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Speaker 2: think that the tackle and receiver depth both are the

946
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Speaker 2: best in this year in this draft class is in

947
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Speaker 2: terms of top end talent and depth. So I think

948
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Speaker 2: if you want to go wid I personally think that

949
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Speaker 2: the Giants should go for a wide receiver or tight

950
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Speaker 2: end and six and then come back and get that tackle.

951
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Speaker 2: If you want to tackle at the top of the

952
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Speaker 2: second round, I think that the value there is still

953
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Speaker 2: going to be very very good. If you're going to

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Speaker 2: go the opposite way that, I think that the tackle

955
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Speaker 2: depth is is so good that you could move down

956
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Speaker 2: a little bit and still be able to get a tackle.

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Speaker 2: Potanu a fuaga uh, you know, blath them if you

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Speaker 2: want to really run the football, you know, guiton is

959
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Speaker 2: I think it's a fantastic players. Well, my point is

960
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Speaker 2: is if you did want to trade down significantly, then

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Speaker 2: I think that that's the position you're that or wide

962
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Speaker 2: receiver of the positions that you're targeting, not quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think the trade down I think

964
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Speaker 1: will be offensive tackle in the middle of that first round.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, Rob.

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Speaker 1: Tell the folks where they can find your work and

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Speaker 1: anything else you want them to know about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, first off, just thank you John. It's always

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Speaker 2: great to catch up with you. It's been a while.

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Speaker 2: You know, I write for NFL Draft analysis for foxsports

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Speaker 2: dot com. You might be able to see the Beast

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Speaker 2: Sea Lions logo behind me. I am a proud uh

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Speaker 2: scout for the Canadian Football League's BC Lions at this

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Speaker 2: point in this is the year three for me and

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Speaker 2: and if well it's one of your rivals, I suppose

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Speaker 2: in a way, I'm lockedown Seahawks. I co host of

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Speaker 2: podcast that is UH has become we've been told is

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Speaker 2: the most popular podcast in the world for the Seahawks,

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Speaker 2: and so I certainly proud of the accomplishments that we've

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Speaker 2: had on that realm as well.

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Speaker 1: Everybody go check out Rob's work. Rob good stuff Man.

982
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Speaker 1: Was great catching up with you.

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Speaker 2: We talk to you soon, looking forward to it John.

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