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Speaker 1: No more.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Off the Cup Season two.

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Speaker 4: We took a little break after a fantastic season one,

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Speaker 4: which was full of great interviews, mental health talk, lots

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Speaker 4: of laughs. And we're back now and we have a

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Speaker 4: great season in store for you with a giant of

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Speaker 4: a premiere episode guest.

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Speaker 3: Before we get to that.

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Speaker 4: I also want to let you know we have expanded

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Speaker 4: Off the Cup. You will remember we added Talking Coffee

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Speaker 4: last season, where we chat about coffee news, coffee trends,

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Speaker 4: unpopular coffee opinions, and you know, life confessions. Well, we've

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Speaker 4: got another Talking Coffee season for you. It's full of

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Speaker 4: iced coffee goodness. Plus we've added Talking Politics, where you

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Speaker 3: See a little Cold, a little Hot.

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Speaker 4: So I feel like we have all the important things

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Speaker 4: covered at Off the Cup, mental health, coffee, and the news.

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Speaker 3: What else is there? Literally? What else is there?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So today's guest is a rock star of broadcast. He's

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Speaker 4: show The Breakfast Club, and he's founder of the Black

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Speaker 4: Effect podcast network. Celebrating his five year anniversary on iHeart,

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Speaker 4: It's Charlemagne the.

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Speaker 3: God welcome s.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm so well and I'm so glad you're here, and

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Speaker 4: I'm so lucky and grateful to know you. I don't

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Speaker 4: I'm here at iHeart with this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you. You know, I think that you

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Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that, but I also just appreciate you

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Speaker 3: Can do anything you want.

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Speaker 4: Head about it well exactly, or without you know, corporate

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Speaker 3: Don't really want you to talk about mental health.

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Speaker 4: We want you to stick with politics, like y'all gave

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Speaker 3: And leeway absolutely to be.

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Speaker 4: No, Okay, Southern Charm is a show on Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Bravo.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well I found your Berkeley High school yearbook.

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Speaker 4: So I'm really intrigued by crossroads and people's lives. And

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Speaker 4: Basically, so good, Okay, describe the environment that is rare

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Speaker 2: Like that's where my mind was at. Like I didn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Wendy Williams has obviously been in the news a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she she knows she's being taken

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Speaker 1: advantage of. I mean, she's the one who started this,

444
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Speaker 1: you know campaign. She was just reaching out for help,

445
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Speaker 1: you know, like she had kind of been disconnected from

446
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Speaker 1: the outside world for a while, Like she didn't even

447
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: have a phone to reach people. And I think that

448
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 1: she can only you know, talk to people like once

449
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Speaker 1: a week or something like that. So it was when

450
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Speaker 1: she was able to you know, talk to people, reconnect

451
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Speaker 1: with people like myself, and you know, connect with other

452
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Speaker 1: people in media, like you know, was Ana Scatto and

453
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Speaker 1: Lady Jason Lee at Hollywood Unlocked that she was able to,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, get her story out, Harvey Levin at TMZ,

455
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Speaker 1: and so she was the one who was telling everybody like, yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: I'm in this conservative ship. She feels like she's being

457
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Speaker 1: taken advantage of. And I mean, I think it kind

458
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Speaker 1: of speaks for itself that, you know, once she was

459
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Speaker 1: able to tell her story and tell what was going on,

460
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Speaker 1: they started to loosen up the rains on her. Right,

461
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Speaker 1: they started the rains on her in her in a

462
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Speaker 1: real way. But as far as her medical diagnosis, when

463
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Speaker 1: I speak to her, she sounds fine. The tests for

464
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Speaker 1: dementia and everything say otherwise, But I haven't heard that,

465
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Speaker 1: you know, side of her. I haven't seen that. When

466
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Speaker 1: I talked to her, she seems, you know, like the

467
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Speaker 1: windy that I always knew.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I imagine you learned a lot from her.

469
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Speaker 4: With her, What was the things she did better than

470
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Speaker 4: anyone else show prep?

471
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Speaker 1: Because what she taught me was everything is show prep,

472
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Speaker 1: meaning that your whole life is show prep. Like you

473
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Speaker 1: have to be willing to take everything that you're going through,

474
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Speaker 1: every experience, everybody you talk to, every moment is potential

475
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Speaker 1: content for when you're on the air, and that's really

476
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Speaker 1: how you make real you know, connections with people, right

477
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Speaker 1: like you know, when you when you're when you're out

478
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Speaker 1: there just living life, and that you'll hear comedians say

479
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Speaker 1: that a lot, like I've heard Chris Rock say that, like,

480
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Speaker 1: oh I got to go lift some life, and my

481
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Speaker 1: man Andrew ships like, oh I got to go lift

482
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Speaker 1: some life.

483
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Speaker 2: And then I'm a.

484
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Speaker 1: Material that's US broadcasters every day.

485
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Speaker 2: It's it's it's life, right, like.

486
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Speaker 1: Just going out there and experiencing the world and being

487
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Speaker 1: able to you know, share those things with people.

488
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Speaker 2: And you know she would do that, she would live

489
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Speaker 2: her life.

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Speaker 1: But then also you know, because you know, I was

491
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Speaker 1: with Wendy and O six every single magazine that was

492
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Speaker 1: on newsstands. I would watch her read every single culture

493
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Speaker 1: magazine name it, Okay, in Touch, you know, US US Weekly,

494
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Speaker 1: like she would National Acquirer. She'd just be read reading

495
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Speaker 1: them all like literally ripping pages out.

496
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about this, I wanna talk about that.

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Speaker 1: And she took that mixed in with her life and

498
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Speaker 1: she was able to go I was her only co

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Speaker 1: host ever. She was able to go on there and

500
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Speaker 1: just do her show every day Monday through Friday, five

501
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Speaker 1: hours a week, because everything was show prep. And the

502
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Speaker 1: other great piece of advice she gave me was, you're

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Speaker 1: you're either going to be of the industry or of

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Speaker 1: the people. You can't be both, you know, because because

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Speaker 1: you know, especially back then, you had your people that

506
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Speaker 1: were in the music game, you had people that were

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Speaker 1: in television. So it's kind of like a secret society, right,

508
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Speaker 1: and you know, they all had their uniformed way of

509
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Speaker 1: doing things, and they all went to their you know,

510
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Speaker 1: elite parties and you know parties amongst each other, and

511
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Speaker 1: you know, if there was a mole in the room,

512
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Speaker 1: like like like like there's somebody like a windy was

513
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Speaker 1: to come to a party, all of them was scattered

514
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Speaker 1: because that she would tell, like all of their business.

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Speaker 1: But you know, she basically was saying, don't ever lose

516
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Speaker 1: your connection with the people because the industry coming goals,

517
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Speaker 1: The industry is fleeting. These people that are in the

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Speaker 1: position of power and the industry are fleeting. These people

519
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Speaker 1: that are hot right now in the industry are heating,

520
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Speaker 1: are fleeting. With that connection that you have with people

521
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Speaker 1: will last, you know, for a lifetime.

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Speaker 3: Such good advice.

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Speaker 4: And I think people outside of the business don't appreciate

524
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Speaker 4: the first part, which is that she would show up

525
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Speaker 4: on radio on television and you'd get this, she's just

526
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Speaker 4: gossiping with her girlfriends, like let's talk about this latest headline.

527
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Speaker 4: It looked so natural and like she had just heard something.

528
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Speaker 4: But it's only because of all the show prep and

529
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Speaker 4: like she had lived that it all was that easy.

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Speaker 4: And so many people, whether it was like Bethany or Chris,

531
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Speaker 4: tried to come onto the daytime talk space and be

532
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Speaker 4: that and do that and they don't realize hours and

533
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Speaker 4: out years go in to preparing that kind of show, and.

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Speaker 2: That's who she really is.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember there was an episode of her TV

536
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Speaker 1: show where she was literally running late and she.

537
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Speaker 2: Came from her car right on set.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't get into no glam, didn't put no makeup on,

539
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Speaker 1: came out with her purse, and sat down and told

540
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Speaker 1: everybody the whole story of how she was late, why

541
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Speaker 1: she was late, she didn't have time to do glam

542
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and that was more interesting.

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Speaker 2: It was unheard of, and that was more interesting than anything.

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Speaker 1: That told her that she could have reported about in

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Speaker 1: the news that day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so good. Okay, back to you.

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Speaker 4: Moving into a political space isn't always easy. It's real

548
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Speaker 4: fraught with land minds. You know that, And the industry

549
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 4: will tell you really quickly if you're not at it.

550
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Speaker 4: You move into politics, I think pretty naturally you become

551
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Speaker 4: hugely important as a voice and a platform for political

552
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Speaker 4: candidates to go to get their messages out to your audience.

553
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Speaker 4: How do you think you cultivated such an important space

554
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Speaker 4: to talk about politics.

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Speaker 1: I honestly have no idea, because it wasn't intentional. Like

556
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Speaker 1: I said, my mother always told me to read things

557
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Speaker 1: that didn't pertain to me. I always was a curious person.

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Speaker 1: There was never a time I wasn't reading Source magazine

559
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Speaker 1: double XL, but also watching Larry King on CNN, like literally,

560
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Speaker 1: like I just used to like anybody that was in

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Speaker 1: the interviewing space I was watching. I was watching you know,

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Speaker 1: Diane Soyer, Barbara Walters, and I was watching them interview

563
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Speaker 1: people like Tredell Castro and interviewing you know, presidential candidates.

564
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Speaker 2: So that always just seemed very natural to me.

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Speaker 1: Like I was listening to the rappers that were talking about,

566
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Speaker 1: you know, the conspiracy theories around and Ronald Reagan, or

567
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Speaker 1: you know, conspiracy theories surrounding the George W.

568
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Speaker 2: Bush. So that was all just very natural to me.

569
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton on our Senior Hall playing the saxophone, I

570
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Speaker 1: didn't just watched that and and be like, damn, that's

571
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton playing the saxphone.

572
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Speaker 2: I knew who Bill Clinton was.

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Speaker 1: I knew he was the governor of Arkansas, and I

574
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Speaker 1: just thought that was cool that, you know, Arsenial Hall

575
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Speaker 1: had a politician on his.

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Speaker 2: You know TV show playing the saxophone.

577
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Speaker 1: So it's just like all of that, the intersectionality of

578
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Speaker 1: politics and hip hop and pop culture, that always just.

579
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Speaker 2: Seemed very natural to me.

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Speaker 1: So there's never been a time in my radio career

581
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Speaker 1: ever that I did not sit down.

582
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Speaker 2: And interview politicians.

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Speaker 1: When I was in South Carolina, I would be talking,

584
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Speaker 1: you know, to the people that were running for local office.

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Speaker 2: When I was in Philadelphia, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I would be I had Mayor Nutter, and I

587
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Speaker 1: remember it was a day when they was calling it

588
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Speaker 1: doomsday in Philly and they were saying that all of

589
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Speaker 1: the libraries and the rec centers were going to get

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Speaker 1: shut down and they were going to cut up a

591
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Speaker 1: bunch of police because they were waiting on some type

592
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Speaker 1: of funding and literally the front page of the newspaper

593
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Speaker 1: said doomsday and Mary none that came to me. I

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Speaker 1: showed just to let everybody know, like, look, the funding

595
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Speaker 1: came through. Everything's gonna be fine. The city breathed a

596
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Speaker 1: sire relief. And yeah, that's always been.

597
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Speaker 2: My ministry in a way.

598
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Speaker 1: So even when I got on Breakfast Club and you know,

599
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Speaker 1: had the first political candidate that I remember coming on

600
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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club with Bacari sellers. But that's because Bakari was

601
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Speaker 1: running for lieutenant governor in South Carolina. Like that's where

602
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Speaker 1: I'm from. I've always done Bakar. I remember car used

603
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Speaker 1: to be in the clubs together. I'm older than member

604
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Speaker 1: he would be. He would be in the clubs together,

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Speaker 1: you know, back back in the day. So I remember him,

606
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Speaker 1: you know, being the youngest congressman in South Carolina history,

607
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Speaker 1: and I remember him running for lieutenant governor. He came

608
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Speaker 1: to Breakfast Club that was like twenty fourteen, and then

609
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Speaker 1: from that moment on he started telling everybody like yo,

610
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Speaker 1: y'all need to start going to Breakfast Club. I remember

611
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Speaker 1: after Bacari left, I remember that's when Hillary Clinton's people

612
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Speaker 1: started vetting me to see if they wanted to bring

613
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Speaker 1: Hillary on Breakfast Club. And then Angela I started coming

614
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: on Breakfast Club, and my man Killer Mike was running

615
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Speaker 1: around with Bernie Sanders, you know. I remember we went

616
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Speaker 1: to go interview Bernie Sanders in Columbia, South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: So all of that stuff was just natural.

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Speaker 1: Like everything I'm talking about right now is a connective tissue.

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Speaker 1: It's a bocari, it's a Killer Mike. Right then, then

620
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Speaker 1: Angela Rai started coming a lot around twenty sixteen, Like,

621
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Speaker 1: all of this stuff was just a very natural thing.

622
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't that I wasn't always into politics. It's

623
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Speaker 1: just like after those few things happened, all of the

624
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Speaker 1: politicians started wanting to come to Breakfast Club, especially the

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Speaker 1: Democrat one Democratic Democrat one.

626
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so who's been in politics? Who's given you the

627
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Speaker 4: best interview on your show?

628
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question.

629
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Speaker 4: I think you thought this person really did themselves a

630
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Speaker 4: favor by coming on this show.

631
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Speaker 1: I think Pete bouda judge, always does himself a favor

632
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Speaker 1: of coming on Breakfast Club. I distinctly remember his first

633
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Speaker 1: interview with us ever, when he was you know, the

634
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Speaker 1: mayor of a South bend in Indiana, and you know,

635
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Speaker 1: he was, uh, he threw his hat in the presidential

636
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: race way way back then, and I just thought he

637
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: he just was so honest, and he just gave a

638
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Speaker 1: great conversation. And I remember this one line he said.

639
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Speaker 1: He was like, you know, I don't know, I just

640
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Speaker 1: I don't even know. I was like, what do you

641
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Speaker 1: think about Chick fil A? Because I know he's a

642
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Speaker 1: gay man. And that's when Chick fil A was broad

643
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Speaker 1: and like homophobia controversy, and he was just like, I

644
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: loved that chicken, but hate their politics.

645
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's just.

646
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Speaker 1: An honest answer, Like yeah, but you know, most people

647
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: will get on and you know, grand standing like oh

648
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Chick fil A horrible and blah.

649
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: Blah blah, Like I loved it. Who don't love Chick

650
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Speaker 2: fil A?

651
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Speaker 1: So it's delicious, But I loved that chicken, but hate

652
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Speaker 1: their politics.

653
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Speaker 2: And you know, then we had a similar We.

654
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Speaker 1: Had a similar conversation around Eminem, and he just was

655
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Speaker 1: breaking down how he you know, being a young white

656
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Speaker 1: man from the Midwest. He loved Eminem, you know, but yeah,

657
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Speaker 1: Eminem did have homophobic lyrics, but he didn't. It wasn't

658
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: a woke answer like he was, you know, damning Eminem.

659
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: He just was giving an honest answer about how that was.

660
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Speaker 1: It was conflicting for him, and I thought he did

661
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Speaker 1: a great job, and I think he always does. He

662
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: always does a great job because he never stops coming.

663
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: He never stops coming to breakfast club. Yeah, he was

664
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: there this year. So he's the person that comes even

665
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: when it's not an election cycle because he values our

666
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: audience and he just comes and talks to people. And

667
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: if he ever does run for a higher office president

668
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight, I think it's going to do

669
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: him well that he never lost that connection with our audience.

670
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: Ye, and isn't expecting to parachute in every four years,

671
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: but just maintaining that connection. Who gave the worst, like

672
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: an interview that really didn't help them out?

673
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: Who gave the worst an interview that didn't really help him?

674
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to say President Biden,

675
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: but he still ended up winning the election that year.

676
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: That's when he Yeah, that's when he was with the

677
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: It was just an unnecessary controversy he caused, and he

678
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: was like, if you don't know whether to vote for

679
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: me or Trump, then you ain't black.

680
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I remember that was right.

681
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: Like that, that was just you know, that just was

682
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: a terrible week weeks of a new cycle for him

683
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: for no reason, unforsere unforced error. It was just unnecessary,

684
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: like you know. But I mean, he did end up

685
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: still winning the election. But I think that was the

686
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: beginning of people, not the beginning, because people that have

687
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: already been questioning the Democratic Party, and people already did

688
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: not believe in the Democratic Party, especially a lot of

689
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: black people, And that's why the line of questioning I

690
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: was hitting them with. That's what led to that if

691
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: you don't know whether to vote for me or Trump,

692
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 1: then you ain't black. You know, because I'm asking him

693
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: questions that I know a lot of people in the

694
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: black community, you know, wanted to know, and he didn't

695
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: really have a real substantive answer. That was his answer,

696
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: if you don't know whether to vote for me, then

697
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: you ain't black. So kind of fed into the oh,

698
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: y'all just feel like y'all entitled to the to the

699
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: black vote in the Democratic Party. Y'all, y'all just feel like, Oh,

700
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: there's no other options for black men.

701
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: They have to they have to deal with us.

702
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that that's kind of led to

703
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: the unraveling of the Democratic Party that you still see

704
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: even now.

705
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 4: I agreed, And and I think you see that entitlement

706
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: with a lot of older Democrats in you know, political

707
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: seats that don't want to give them up and think,

708
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: you know, my seniority is more important than getting fresh blood.

709
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: Democrats are in a in a really rough place right now.

710
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: Should Kamala Harris run for president again?

711
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, that's that's a great question

712
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: I got.

713
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Speaker 1: I had the privilege of getting one hundred and seven

714
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Days a couple of weeks ago, and I read it

715
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Speaker 1: and I thought it was a fantast degree. It's one

716
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: of the the better books I've read this year. And

717
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking that when I was reading it, because

718
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: it's either two things are going to come from this.

719
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Either she doesn't want to run again and she don't

720
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: care anymore, right, right, So that's why she you know,

721
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: that's right, that's why she put it all out there

722
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: the way that she did. But I think those bridges

723
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: need to be burnt. I've said, I've said that anybody

724
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: who wants to be the leader of the Democratic Party

725
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: now and the leader of the Democratic Party in the

726
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: future has to throw.

727
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: That whole old regime under the bus.

728
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: I read the original Sin by Jake Tapple in one

729
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: hundred and seven days just confirms a lot of the

730
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: things that they they talked about in the original Sin, Like,

731
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, when she says things like, you know.

732
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, Joe Biden.

733
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Speaker 1: Running again shouldn't have been left up to his ego.

734
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Speaker 1: You know, when you read soies about how her staff was,

735
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the Biden staff was undermining her and not

736
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: wanting to put out any fires concerning her. When you

737
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: read things like President Biden calling her on the day

738
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: of the debate to make it all about him and

739
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: tell her about donors that aren't feeling her, And she

740
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: was like, don't you know I got a debate tonight,

741
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: You of all people know how stressful a debate is. Right,

742
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's like damning to Biden, Like Biden's

743
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: legacy is shit, it's over. Like you, I don't even

744
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: want to hear nothing about President Biden because I got

745
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: a lot of different issues with President Biden. I don't

746
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: feel like we're in this position that we're in now

747
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: in this country, if it wasn't for President Biden, but

748
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: for her and for the whole party, it could be

749
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: a good thing. If people don't get in their feelings.

750
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: And I said this two weeks ago, and what am

751
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: I seeing this week? Everybody in their feelings, like I

752
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: rock with people to judge, Pete, you have no reason

753
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: to be in your feelings about what she said in

754
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: that book, because you know it's true.

755
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: You know how difficult it how difficult it is for

756
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Speaker 2: a woman.

757
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: Of color with a Jewish husband to get elected president

758
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: and she's going to put a gay man on the ticket, Like,

759
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: what do you come on, Pete? That is nothing to

760
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: be upset about. That is the harsh truth politics of

761
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: the country that we in. It's politics. So you know,

762
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: if Democrats don't get in their feelings and they embrace

763
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: the truths that Kamala Harris is saying in this book,

764
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: I think it will be very good for the party

765
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: going forward because you have to throw the old regime,

766
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: the old way of doing things under the bus, and

767
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: she did that in one hundred and seven days. So

768
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of like this could be the great reset

769
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: that the Democratic Party needs and they can rebuild on

770
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: a foundation of honesty and truth. You don't have to

771
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: lie to people anymore. Democrats are still playing, you know,

772
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: by rules that don't even exist. And you know who

773
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: got rid of the playbook? Who got I mean, you

774
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: know who got rid.

775
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: Of the rule book?

776
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: They're Republicans, Magett, the Conservatives.

777
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: The rules are out the window.

778
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: So like, you know, it's like this respectability of politics

779
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: they play amongst each other, and there's disrespectability politics. They

780
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: think they have to play with the vote and the

781
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: voters are sitting back looking at them, like, y'all don't

782
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: see what's going on.

783
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: Y'all playing basketball.

784
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: On a football field right now, y'all not even in

785
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: the same game as these people over here get in

786
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: the game. And I feel like that's what you know,

787
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: Kamala did with one hundred and seven days. So that

788
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: should she run again in twenty twenty eight, I honestly

789
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: truly don't know, but it is based on how this

790
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: book will be received and how she handles a lot

791
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: of the conversations around this book moving forward. Because I

792
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: saw her on Rachel Maddow last night and a couple

793
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: of answers look like she was moonwalking and I'm like,

794
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: why you moonwalking on that?

795
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: Like like I didn't mean it like that? Why what

796
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: you mean it? Mean it like that? It's in your book,

797
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: own it, exactly own it.

798
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: So it's really just really it's really based on what

799
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris she chooses to be from this point on

800
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: and what she chooses to show people, you know, over

801
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: the next year or so.

802
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: There's more after the break with Charllemane the g.

803
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: Before I get to a lightning round, I have to

804
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 4: talk to you a little bit about mental health, you know,

805
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: because I've talked about my mental health and my nervous breakdown,

806
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: my struggle with anxiety, my journey to recovery.

807
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 3: And I say this over and over again.

808
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: When people like you or Jalen Rose or Michael Phelps

809
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: talk about mental health, it's so impactful because I think

810
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: people are used to seeing and hearing women talk about

811
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: mental health in a way they're not with men, and

812
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: the stigmas and barriers to getting mental health help are

813
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: greater for men, and in particular men of color. So

814
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: when you talk about it, it's just so it moves

815
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 4: the needles so much. I hear that from people all

816
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: the time. What made you decide to be brave, to

817
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: be honest, and this was many years ago. This wasn't

818
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 4: reason for you and take that step and share your

819
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: journey with mental health.

820
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: What gave you that kind of courage?

821
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I was being brave. I didn't

822
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: know I was even being honest. When I look back

823
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: on it now, it was almost like a cry for help.

824
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: Because when I started going to therapy back in twenty sixteen,

825
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: I started going because of my anxiety and because of

826
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: my bout of depression. But you know, you know, es see,

827
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: when you're sitting in that therapists share man, you start

828
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: to peel back those layers of you know, just just

829
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: trauma that you've experienced in your life.

830
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: You start uncovering all types of things.

831
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: And you know, I started realizing issues I had with

832
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: my father right like you know, and I started realizing,

833
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, just a lack of self love I believe

834
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: I even had for myself. And so when I would

835
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: come on the radio and talk about going to therapy

836
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: every Friday at three o'clock, it became like a running joke.

837
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: But then people, you know, after some years, people were like,

838
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: I see something different, Like there's something different going on

839
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: with him, Like you know, it's like, yo, he's moving

840
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: a little different, he's talking a little different, Like I

841
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: see the change, you know. And that's because I was

842
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: on my healing journey. And so for me, that's literally

843
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: what it was. It was more so like a cry

844
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: for help and getting on the radio. Like I was

845
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: talking about with Wendy earlier, your life is show prepa.

846
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: So there was a period I can think of from

847
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: maybe twenty sixteen to probably like maybe twenty twenty, twenty

848
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: twenty one where I was just kind of in a

849
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: state of confusion only because all of these things I

850
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: thought I knew about myself, you know, all of this

851
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: stuff I had learned about myself over the years, I

852
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: was unlearning, so I didn't really understand this new version

853
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: of myself. It kind of felt like poverty again, right

854
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: Like it felt like, yeah, like I new, I got

855
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: a new walk about me. I'm a little bit taller,

856
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: right Like, I'm just trying to figure this this life

857
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: thing out. So it was just this confusing period from

858
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: like twenty sixteen to probably like twenty twenty. And that's

859
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: kind of why the pandemic was good in a lot

860
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, because I think I needed that complete

861
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: stillness as opposed to trying to figure this thing out

862
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: in the midst of chaos and trying to sense that,

863
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, trying to figure out this you know, this

864
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: this this life thing, this Oh man, I thought I

865
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: had that figured out, but I didn't.

866
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: You know, It's a lot I had to, you know,

867
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: just sit down and deal with.

868
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: And honestly, if I hadn't been going to therapy those

869
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: three years and there's something like COVID would have hit

870
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: who knows, Like I got friends that didn't make it

871
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: out of COVID, Like I got friends that decided enough

872
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: was enough, you know, resciuees to my my good sister

873
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: Jazz Waters. She was one that didn't make it out

874
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: of COVID. And I remember her tweeting. She tweeted out

875
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: one thing that COVID has taught me is I would

876
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: have jumped off the slave ship way before it got

877
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: to America.

878
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: Wow.

879
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: And then she was tweeting. She would tweet stuff like

880
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: I wonder what my next life would be like. So

881
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: when I changed out and she was hurting, and she

882
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: was somebody that was actually doing the work, like she

883
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: was also going to therapy and stuff too, but it

884
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: was just too overwhelming for her. For me, it was

885
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: kind of exactly what I needed, especially being coming off

886
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: those three years of intense therapy going once a week. Yeah,

887
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: And so I was just coming on air. I would

888
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: literally just come and telling my experiences. And next thing

889
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: I know, everybody was coming to me telling me about

890
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: how they deal with anxiety and they did about the depression,

891
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: and they started going to therapy because of me, or

892
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: they uncles started going to therapy, or they brother and

893
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: it was.

894
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: A lot of women.

895
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: It was a lot of women coming to me saying, man,

896
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: because of you, my husband, my brother, my son wants

897
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: to go to therapy. And it was just something that

898
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: became bigger than me. It wasn't even about you know

899
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: me anymore. It was just about me telling my story,

900
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: and that story was inspiring other people. And what made

901
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: it super inspiring to me was twenty eighteen, being at

902
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: home in Monks Corner, South Carolina, the week of Thanksgiving

903
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: and my dad calling me because I had just put

904
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: out my second book. My second book was called Shook One,

905
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: Anxiety playing tricks on Me, and I put that book

906
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: out in the midst of all the psychological confusion I

907
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: was experiencing because that was the business, right.

908
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: Like, my book agent was like, hey, you got to

909
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: come out with another book immediately. I put yeah.

910
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: Because I put out my first book, Black Privilege, Opportunity

911
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: comes to those who created instant New York Times bestseller

912
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: was on the New York Times bestseller's list for.

913
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: Like the whole year, and so they just wanted another

914
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: book immediately.

915
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: And I was like, Yo, unbeknownst to y'all, I'm been

916
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: in therapy since you know, twoenty and sixteen.

917
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm spent. I don't even know who I am no more.

918
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: But me and my book agent have a real friend relationship,

919
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: saluthor Jan Miller, and so I just told her what

920
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: was really going on. And I said, man, I got

921
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: this journal of things that I'm learning and you know,

922
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: therapy about myself. And I sent her a couple of

923
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: things over and she was like, this would be really

924
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: powerful if you share it. And I was like, but no,

925
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. I'm just somebody with experiences. I

926
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: don't want to put a book out of our mental health.

927
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: And she had the idea to go get my man

928
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: doctor ish major and do like clinical correlations to the

929
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: things that I was talking about learning in therapy, and

930
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: we ended up putting it out and it became another

931
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: national bestseller, and that was another thing that people started to.

932
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: Pick up and read and you know, be inspired to

933
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: go on their own healing journey.

934
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, it just it really I see. You know,

935
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: I can't even really take any credit like it was intentional.

936
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: It was just me on my journey, sharing my experiences

937
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: with the platforms that I have.

938
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just fell into this space.

939
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 4: Well, I know a lot of people are really glad

940
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: that you did, and me included. All right, let's get

941
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: to the lightning round. We both have personas for me.

942
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: Sarah Elizabeth Cupp and sie Cup are very similar people,

943
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 4: but there are some differences, Like I'm not as brave

944
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 4: in my personal life as I am in my public life.

945
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 4: Are there differences between Leonard McKelvey and Charlemagne the God?

946
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: Not much now other than me saying Charlemagne the God

947
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: on the radio. There used to be they used to

948
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: be extremely Like, you know, Charlamagne was a character that

949
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: I created way way way way back in the day

950
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: when I was in you know, night school to protect

951
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: people from seeing the nard, you know, and so that

952
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: character even way before radio, I was you know, I

953
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: wanted to rap and all types of stuff. So Charlemagne

954
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: was literally a character I created who you know, kind

955
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: of it just was all about bravado and you know,

956
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: you know, not really not having no feelings when I'm

957
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: a cancer who's super sensitive and emotional to everything, you know,

958
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: And and it worked, it worked until it didn't. And

959
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: and when even when I say it didn't, it had

960
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: nothing to do professionally and everything to do personally. You know,

961
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: when you're just not happy with who you are as

962
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: a person, when you're just not happy with you know,

963
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: what you're presenting to people. You know, when your wife

964
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: is asking you, what the hell is your problem? You know,

965
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: like when you got kids now and you know what,

966
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: let me go figure this out. And you you know,

967
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: like I said, you start going to therapy and doing

968
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: that that work on yourself, and.

969
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: Char doesn't come to rescue you, your lenar, that's right,

970
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: And I got to deal with it all.

971
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, back in the day, there was definitely a separation. Now,

972
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: not not at all love that.

973
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: Who's a guest you've never interviewed, but you'd love to.

974
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: That's a great question. But I honestly and the answer

975
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: I truly mean this is nobody. And the reason I

976
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: say nobody is because I got to interview the person.

977
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: If you had asked me this five years ago, my

978
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: answer would have been Judy Bloom. And since then I've

979
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: gotten to sit down and interview Judy Bloom and not

980
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: just interviewed Julie Blooms.

981
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 2: She's a friend.

982
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: You know. I've flound down to Key West a couple

983
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: of times, me and my wife just to go kick it,

984
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, with her and her husband and go have dinner.

985
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: And you know, when Simon and Schuston did their one

986
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: hundred year anniversary, me and Judy Bloom did a presentation

987
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: on stage together. So it's like, I adore that woman.

988
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: So that was my dream interview and I got to

989
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: do that. So everything else is Gravy's great.

990
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: That's right.

991
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: Is there anyone you'd be nervous to interview? I have

992
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: a couple like Martha Stewart scares me, Mariah Kerry scares me.

993
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: I just I don't know that.

994
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: I I think I'd be too nervous because I don't know.

995
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: They're very intimidating. Those two people are intimidating to.

996
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: Me, Does anyone make you nervous the thought of interviewing anyone?

997
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: Fun fact, I'm always nervous before interviews, okay, you know,

998
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: just because like there's always a there's always a good

999
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: sense of a healthy anxiety depending on who the person is,

1000
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: like always, right, like always, like there's figures that you

1001
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: can meet that are larger than life and politics in

1002
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: Hollywood and everybody else. So there's always a healthy sense

1003
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: of anxiety that goes into you know, sitting down and

1004
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: having a conversation with anybody. But you know, those nerves

1005
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: quickly go out the window once the conversation starts, you know,

1006
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: somebody like I've interviewed Mariah before. Mariah came in the

1007
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: studio with her own lighting team, literally came in the

1008
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: studio with her own lighting team, turned all the lights down,

1009
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: and I said, Mariah, they're not gonna be able to

1010
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: see us, and she was like, that's the whole point, darling,

1011
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: you know. And what's crazy is we just had the

1012
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio Music Festival in Vegas, and you know they had

1013
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: a uh interviews backstage, right, So, like different personalities would

1014
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: interview different people backstage Maria sent her lighting team in

1015
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: there and they had the restructure all the lights and everything.

1016
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: So you know, when you're dealing with that level of icon,

1017
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: that level of diva, yeah, you're going to have some nerves.

1018
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: I love it.

1019
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: I love that.

1020
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

1021
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: What's the best movie about music?

1022
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: Ooh, best movie about music?

1023
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: Man? First thing that comes to mind is a Brown

1024
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: Sugar starring Tay Diggs and Sinai Laythan. It was a

1025
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: story about basically when when it was the first time

1026
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: you fell in love with hip hop? But it was

1027
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: rooted in the love story between Tay Diggs and Sinai

1028
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: Laythan's character, I think Dre and Drey and Monica. I

1029
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: think her name was Monica in the movie, but it

1030
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: was Dre and Monica and it was it was rooted

1031
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: heavily around hip hop. Yeah, that was when the movie starts.

1032
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: It's literally like when did you first fall in love

1033
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: with hip hop? But hip hop was like actually like

1034
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: an analogy for the love story of between those two individuals,

1035
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: who was like they knew each other since when they

1036
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: were kids, so essentially they were asking, did when did

1037
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: we first fall in.

1038
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 2: Love with each other? You know?

1039
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: And so to me, it's a hip hop love story.

1040
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: It's called it's an amazing film. It's called Brown Sugar,

1041
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: So anybody can go watch it because it's not just

1042
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: it's not about hip hop, but it is. Yeah, but

1043
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: it's really just a love story between these two individuals.

1044
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: Great, who's the goat of broadcast?

1045
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: Man? That's tough, man.

1046
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: It's tough because there's so many different forms of broadcasts.

1047
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: Like the first person that comes to mind for me

1048
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: is P. D. Green, because I'm a radio guy.

1049
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: P D.

1050
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: Green was a radio personality in Washington, d C. Basically

1051
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: the company Radio One was built, you know, off his back.

1052
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: They actually did a movie about P. D. Green where

1053
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Don Chito plays P. D.

1054
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: Green. To Roger P. Hinson is in that movie.

1055
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: It's a fantastic film, and he is the person who

1056
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: even inspired the Howard Sterns of the world. But to me,

1057
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: Howard Stern is a goat broadcaster, right, So when you

1058
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: talk radio, for me, it's the P. D. Greens, the

1059
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 1: Howard Sterns, the Wendy Williams and Angie Martinez.

1060
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: Is you know. But then you you know, you got

1061
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: to put in the people.

1062
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: You got to you gotta say people like Rush Limbaugh

1063
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: is even if you didn't agree with his politics, what

1064
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: he was able to do, you know, as a conservative

1065
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: talk radio host, the audience.

1066
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: He was able to build.

1067
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: Like there's a whole ecosystem of conservative talk show hosts

1068
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: right now that live online that I guarantee you were

1069
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: directly influenced by Russian You look at when you look

1070
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: at the Sean Hannity's and Bill O'Reilly's and all of

1071
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: them on that they were absolutely influenced, you know, by

1072
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: a Rush Limbaugh. So I don't have to agree with

1073
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: somebody's politics to you know, put them in the gold category.

1074
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: But then when you go to television, the Larry Kings

1075
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: of the World, Diane Sawyer, Barbara Walters, Oprah Winfrey like

1076
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: like oh man, Like it's just like these people actually

1077
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: shifted culture with their conversations, you know, they they shifted

1078
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: the way people think with their conversations. I know people

1079
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: don't necessarily put this person as a broadcaster, but I

1080
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: look at somebody like a Joan Rivers.

1081
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: You know, I look at somebody like so many barriers broke,

1082
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: so many.

1083
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: Barriers are senior Hall in late night to me, you know,

1084
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: as a television broadcaster, like these people like you can't.

1085
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: There is no one gold broadcaster. It's just a pastor.

1086
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: You know. I got my favorites. My favorite is definitely P. D. Green. Yeah,

1087
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: but I can't say. I can't say.

1088
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: He's the gold because it's just too many people. There's

1089
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: too many ghats out there, too many.

1090
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, uh, award shows keep or cancel?

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Speaker 1: Keep, but keep what expand meaning that you know, I

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00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: like that the Golden Globes is including podcasts now. I

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00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: think the Emmys are including podcasts, Like you just have

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00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: to if you're going to do these award shows, you

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00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: just have to embrace this new era that we're in.

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00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: Modern Yeah, you gotta modernize, you know, TV radio, Like

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00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: those aren't the only games in town anymore. So if

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Speaker 1: you modernize these award shows, then yes, keep them right, Like,

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Speaker 1: you can't just have award shows that just you know,

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00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 1: highlight certain areas because you'll miss so much certain industries,

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00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: because you'll miss so much, Like you have to give

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00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: it up for some of these YouTubers and some of

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00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: these podcasters that are having you know, real influence. Because

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Speaker 1: the truth to the matter is where do you put

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00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: somebody like a Joe Rogan in a traditional award show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's not on TV, he's not on radio.

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Speaker 2: But you're not gonna sit here and tell me that

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00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: he's not shouldn't be winning awards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: So it's just like, yeah, modernized, modernize them, and you

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Speaker 2: can keep them.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: The last question is very important to me. We ask

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00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 4: it at the end of every podcast. The question is

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00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 4: when is it iced coffee season?

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00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: Never for me because I'm black toes intolerant, so you know,

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: but you can have it black. Hey, I'm man, No

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00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: coffee runs right through me, like like coffee runs right

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00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: through me. So it's ice coffee season is absolutely positively

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00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: never for me. I see people drinking ice coffee in

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00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: the summer and I'm like disgusted. Like my daughter and

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00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: my wife, My wife loves coffee period both. Now my

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00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: daughter does too, she hits that from her mom, but

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Speaker 1: they also like ice coffee, and I just think it's

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00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: the wide I think about what it does to me,

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00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you really want to be walking around

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00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: with the bubble guts in this heat?

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Speaker 2: Like I like, nah, I don't do ice call at all.

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Speaker 4: This This question stands undefeated as the most revealing question

1130
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 4: because you know, we get all kinds of answers. It's

1131
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: that's the wrong answer, the wrong The right answer is

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00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: you're round, You're round, okay, But that's because I'm a

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00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 4: new Englander who grew up on Duncan and I have

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Speaker 4: iced coffee in the middle of winter.

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Speaker 3: It's all I drink.

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00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: Oh got you, got you? Yeah, it's not.

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00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: It is not. I can't have any coffees, but definitely

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00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: not ice coffees. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: Well, Luckily, I like you so much and you you

1140
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 4: gave me this platform, so I can't be too mad

1141
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 4: at you. But Charlamaine the God, thank you so much

1142
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: for for everything, but also for coming on this podcast and.

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Speaker 3: Being our season two premiere guest.

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00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I really, oh wow, thank you, Sci. I really appreciate

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00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: you having me man. I'm serious, like, you are such

1146
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: a necessary voice. I love seeing seeing you on CNN,

1147
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, cutting ass on those panels. I love, you know,

1148
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: listening to your podcast because you know you are man like.

1149
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: There's not too many really honest voices left that are

1150
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: willing to call out, you know, both sides of the

1151
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: ale and just speak.

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00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 2: For what is going on in America, and I appreciate that.

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00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: Thank you.

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00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Coming up next week.

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00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: On Off the Cup, I talked to Mindy Khne, star

1156
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Speaker 4: of Paon Royale and.

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00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: The Facts of Life.

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00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 5: This is gonna sound terrible and I don't I really

1159
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 5: don't mean it how it's gonna come out. But I

1160
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 5: was ready to have Natalie dide for a little while,

1161
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 5: right like put her up, put a bow on it.

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00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: We love her?

1163
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 3: But what else? What else do you have for me? World?

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00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 4: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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Speaker 4: part of the Reason Choice Network.

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00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 3: If you want more, check out the other Reason.

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Speaker 4: Choice podcasts, Politics with Jamel Hill and Native Land Pod.

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00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 3: For Off the Cup, I'm your host, Si Cup. Editing

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Speaker 3: and sound design by Derek Clements.

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00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 4: Our executive producers are me Se cop Lauren Hanson, and

1171
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 4: Lindsay Hoffman. Rate and review wherever you get your podcasts,

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