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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Quest Love with Me is Laya Quarantined

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Speaker 2: from the West Coast.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hey everybody, I missed you.

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Speaker 2: And Steve from the top of his building in.

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Speaker 1: Manhattan, he TREADI Central. Where are you at pay Bill

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Speaker 1: Westchester or neighbor? Okay, so I can visit?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, come on over hanging out with Break and Crack.

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Speaker 4: It's the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Light here. Don't improve it that aunt, Tegelo where you're

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Speaker 1: broadcasting from now? Bro from the crib, Raleigh, North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Okay, keeping it real, ladies and gentlemen, This this episode

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Speaker 2: has been long, long overdue.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's a rarity that anyone in hip hop

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Speaker 2: culture can have sustainability and change with the times and

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Speaker 2: still stay themselves facts in this culture without hitting a landmine.

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Speaker 2: And our guest today, uh is I mean I call

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Speaker 2: him Teflon and Joe I mean.

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Speaker 5: Yo yo, Me and my buddies have was saying if

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Speaker 5: if a nuclear bomb went off, the last two rappers

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Speaker 5: standing would be Fat Joe and bust A rhymes straight up,

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Speaker 5: straight up, y'all brothers, don survive everything.

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Speaker 1: Man, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's welcome uh the one and only, uh,

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Speaker 2: the the the God Fat Joe exactly, exactly, Don Carteragina

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Speaker 2: two quest love Supreme you much.

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Speaker 1: How you making out? How you making out in this

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Speaker 1: current environment, sir.

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Speaker 6: I'm just you know, I'm happy to be home, man.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy to be home, man.

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Speaker 7: I've been.

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Speaker 6: I go on the road for twenty five years, man,

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Speaker 6: and the fact that I'm able to be with the

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Speaker 6: family and spend.

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Speaker 7: Time at home with my daughter, my wife and everybody. Man,

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Speaker 7: I'm actually enjoying it. To be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Where is home currently? You're a Jersey resident right now? Correct?

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I live in Miami. I known

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Speaker 6: Miami for like seventeen years.

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Speaker 2: I've always known you as I'm sorry, I've always known

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Speaker 2: you as a Jersey resident. I didn't know that you

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Speaker 2: moved to Miami.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I lived in the Bronx my whole life, and then

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Speaker 6: I moved to Jersey. My wife forced me to move

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Speaker 6: to Jersey because I ain't want to leave the Bronx

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Speaker 7: Was like, if you don't move, I'm leaving you.

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Speaker 6: So I had to go to Jersey, which was the

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Speaker 6: smartest thing I ever did in my life. So when

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Speaker 6: I went to Jersey, I finally heard birds chirping and

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Speaker 6: little kids playing in the street. And then eventually, one

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Speaker 6: time I got so frustrated with like the New York

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Speaker 6: hip hop scene that I moved down to Miami. And

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Speaker 6: that's when, you know, that's around the time I met

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Speaker 6: DJ Khaled, before he was you know, when he was

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Speaker 6: just underground DJ and Coolan Dre and just the love

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Speaker 6: down here, the camaraderie and the love was just so

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Speaker 6: much different from what was going on in New York.

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Speaker 6: So I had came down here for a fresh start.

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Speaker 6: Had been done here ever.

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Speaker 1: Since around what time was that when you when you

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Speaker 1: went to Miami.

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Speaker 7: Man, that's like seventeen years ago.

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Speaker 6: You know, I always said, you know, one day, you know,

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Speaker 6: when I started, I started out digging into crates and

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Speaker 6: if you go to them early videos, if you would

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Speaker 6: go engine engine number nine on that you as I'm

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Speaker 6: one of the guys jumping in the background. I was

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Speaker 6: in everybody's video. Yes, I was in everybody's video. Everybody

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Speaker 6: was my video we worked with each other. We didn't

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Speaker 6: when I came up. And then once money came into play,

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Speaker 6: York got separated. And then one day I was in

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Speaker 6: I heard Cameron say, He'll smack the coofie off of

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Speaker 6: NASA's head. And that's when I told my wife, pack

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Speaker 6: up the vans, we out, we out of here.

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Speaker 7: We can't be over here like this. I don't know

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Speaker 6: And we came down here and we started, uh the

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Speaker 6: Miami movement, like with the DJ Kelly, with the Pitt Bull,

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Speaker 6: the Rick Ross, the Cooler Dre. You know, we set

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Speaker 6: then when Lil Wayne, when Katrina happened, he came down

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Speaker 6: that's when you get all those records. We was doing

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Speaker 6: like taking over Brown paper Bag.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so in in the Bronx.

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Speaker 2: In the Bronx, how would you describe your childhood for

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Speaker 2: those that don't know your history in the Bronx.

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Speaker 6: Well, you from Philly, right, But there's there's different parts

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Speaker 6: of Philly. There's North Philly, South Philly, Alleghany, Germantown, this,

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Speaker 6: this that. So why I'm trying to make reference to

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Speaker 6: that is, Oh he's from North Carolina, this Faidville, this Greensboro,

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Speaker 6: this Charlotte's this abs. I'm from the Bronx in the

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Speaker 6: part where hip hop was created. Right, So what I'm

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Speaker 6: trying to tell you is there's many parts of the Bronx.

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Speaker 6: So me as a little kid, I was watching Mellie

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Speaker 6: mel and Grandmaster flash Plant pickup games of basketball against

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Speaker 6: little White you see little Rod mec Uh. You know

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Speaker 6: I grew up in like literally so if you look

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Speaker 6: at so privileged. So Ruby d who's the first Latin

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Speaker 6: in MC. He used to have a softball team. These

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Speaker 6: I used to go to every jam. My my my brother, Uh,

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Speaker 6: my brother was the way I fell in love with

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Speaker 6: hip hop. My brother used to go to all the

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Speaker 6: the Zulu Nation anniversaries or Cool Hurt or whatever, and

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Speaker 6: I used to listen to it so much I thought

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Speaker 6: I was actually in there, like give me, like back

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Speaker 7: The ropes, back up from the ropes.

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Speaker 6: Then they playing Mary Married, Why you get on that

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Speaker 6: funk is on?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 6: And then they come back with I don't know if

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Speaker 6: you've been told, but Santa Claus is.

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Speaker 7: A black man. A black man.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, I'm in my room listening to

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Speaker 6: the these cassette tapes like oh my, fuck me, y'all,

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Speaker 6: and just because I was too small to go and

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Speaker 6: then when they did it outside, I would go to outside.

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Speaker 6: So I was privileged to be born in the soil,

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Speaker 6: like you know, just no other way to explain it

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Speaker 6: to you, Like I was blessed as a hip hop fan,

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Speaker 6: as a hip hop fan, not just as the rapper

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Speaker 6: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So as far as like it it calling you, I mean,

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Speaker 2: were you rapping early as a kid or you just

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Speaker 2: like I'm a fan. But at what point is I

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Speaker 2: wanted to be At what point is it like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I want to get involved in the culture.

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Speaker 7: It's different. It was I was in. I was the culture.

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Speaker 6: When I'm trying to tell you I break dance, I

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Speaker 6: wrote graffiti Terror Squad is a graffiti crew?

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Speaker 7: Okay, started out off graffiti Terror Squad?

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Speaker 6: So were you tagging up as all over the bronx

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Speaker 6: on the walls on the train.

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Speaker 7: When I got older, I would bring out my house.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking too much in front of my daughter right now,

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Speaker 6: but I would break out my house when my parents

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Speaker 6: would sleep, go hit the trains, think and dangerous shit

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Speaker 7: Third round, like crazy shit. Come back to my house.

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Speaker 6: My sister would open the door like five in the morning,

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Speaker 6: like damn man, like you might. And then you know,

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Speaker 6: when I wake up, you know it's time for school.

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Speaker 6: But writing graffiti, but rapping. I wanted to be like

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Speaker 6: my brother. My brother was you know, he used to rap,

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Speaker 6: and I wanted to be like my brother, and so

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Speaker 6: I started to rap. So I was writing maybe nine

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Speaker 6: mother's table, where everybody was like what type of what

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Speaker 6: am I doing? And I'm like, you know, I want

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Speaker 6: to rap? Nine ten years old? Oh my name My

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Speaker 6: first name.

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Speaker 7: Was little Pop, Little Pop and uh and Uh.

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Speaker 6: We were saying ship like Joey rock Well and all that.

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Speaker 6: And I had a little little fake rhymes like snigkings

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Speaker 6: and cheap you know something you could.

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Speaker 7: Fill every rock you could like like I was just

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Speaker 7: you know, learning the game. But you know, uh yeah

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Speaker 7: it was real.

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Speaker 2: So as far as like in in the area that

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Speaker 2: you grew up, were there any other notable hip hop

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Speaker 2: luminarias that we would know of today, Like were.

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Speaker 7: You ever.

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Speaker 1: As an eleven year old or like.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, yes, So what happened was so as I

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Speaker 6: told you, was a hip hop whippy whip wip starsky,

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Speaker 7: Uh. But when the guy who.

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Speaker 6: Inspired me to rap was Lord Forness, So I was

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Speaker 6: environment in the worst way. And Finesse he used to

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Speaker 6: bring the newspaper. So Fanesse would buy the newspaper at

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Speaker 6: the store for a quarter when he was selling in

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Speaker 6: he would walk up and down the project building going paper,

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Speaker 6: and then my moms would give me a dollar, I

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Speaker 6: go see Finesse he made not his real shit, and

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Speaker 6: then he would make seventy five sets and then give

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Speaker 7: But Finesse would.

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Speaker 6: Always tell me like, Yo, Joey, I'm gonna be a rapper.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna get on and I'd be like, yeah, right,

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Speaker 6: I locked the door. I'm like, man, he's so full

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Speaker 6: to the radio Red Alert. He's just playing the funky Technician.

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Speaker 6: He's playing all the Foinisian I'm like, no way Foraness

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Speaker 6: made it, And that gave me sometimes you got to

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Speaker 6: become professional artists. And that's when I started, you know, uh,

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Speaker 6: really believing we could do something. And then also Diamond

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Speaker 6: Diamond Dan used to write graffiti with me, and he

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Speaker 6: would tell me all the time, Yo, Joe.

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Speaker 7: You're gonna go to jail, You're gonna get killed.

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Speaker 6: You out here doing crazy shit, y'all, Like, bro, why

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Speaker 6: don't you put all the shit you do in the

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Speaker 6: streets into your music. And actually, even though I had money.

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Speaker 7: At the time, actually crazy money.

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Speaker 6: He took me to the studio and pay for the

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Speaker 7: And so we went in there and.

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Speaker 6: We and we made the demos and then uh and

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Speaker 6: one of them was flow Joe, my first single.

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Speaker 7: So I went, am I talking too long?

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Speaker 1: I don't know this now?

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Speaker 6: What's crazy is if you want to talk about the

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Speaker 7: So I won. Four weeks, I met Red Alert. Red

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Speaker 6: Kept playing that for like close to like eight months

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Speaker 7: Me, yo, you fat Joe. I was like yeah. I

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Speaker 6: I was like he said you know why am I said, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't have no lawyer. Now I was, I

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Speaker 3: No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: I was just like, Wow, I ain't got no That

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Speaker 2: So that's definitely you saying you talking about on Domin

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Speaker 6: I am in every ad lib on that album. That's

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Speaker 7: Fuck you talking about.

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Speaker 2: Ship right that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Oh that's you. You're you're the guy all over.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I am the ad list every song. I dare

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Speaker 6: I was there for that whole album, the whole process.

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Speaker 2: Slight confession, Like there was a point in my life

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Speaker 2: to be to be cursing and really intimidating people, So

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Speaker 2: on record ever ever. But you were Were you not

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Speaker 2: involved on the Jazzy J record at all, the compilation that.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, I was. I was from Diamond d

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Speaker 6: I think the compilation.

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Speaker 7: Was before me.

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Speaker 2: So when when did the official like the the uniting

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Speaker 6: I think I always digging in the crates. I'm from

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Speaker 7: It to you.

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Speaker 6: Like I grew up with Showbes, grew up with Diamond d,

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Speaker 7: Hey, I'm rapping, I'm digging in the crates.

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Speaker 6: I was, you know, getting a lot of money in

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Speaker 6: D and you're looking like, who the fuck is the

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Speaker 6: me from that. But I was always digging in the crates.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there was an initial annoying team, you know.

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Speaker 7: And OC was.

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Speaker 7: You lack the miner us invitamins. I ain't in the suns.

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Speaker 1: Times out there like he was.

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Speaker 6: I was like, Yo, your time's up. I was like, uh,

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Speaker 6: Big I was there already, so so Finesse had met

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Speaker 6: Big L doing the Big L used to battle everybody

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Speaker 7: Finess met him, put him on a remix. Yes you

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Speaker 6: I was at the show the first time Big L

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Speaker 7: He was.

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Speaker 6: He was incredible. It was like it was like a

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Speaker 6: Finesse on steroids. It was like, first of all, to me,

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Speaker 7: So it was it was a no brainer.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So as far as the environment is now and what

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Speaker 6: In the very way you ever heard of Steve Lobel,

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Speaker 7: I was scared to fly.

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Speaker 6: So we drove everywhere to Shaw, We drove to Chicago,

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Speaker 6: We drove all around this country eating McDonald's and we

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Speaker 6: I had left the drug game alone when I signed

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Speaker 7: They was in bent leads, they was in all that shit.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't go back. If somebody got robbed in the crew,

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't go back. If anything, I would not go

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Speaker 6: So everybody, I mean, like, yo, I gave Biggie his

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Speaker 6: talking about partying.

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Speaker 7: Bullshit just came out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like the.

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Speaker 7: First show b I G.

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Speaker 6: Fat Joe and I was just promoting the parties, making

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Speaker 7: You know, it was real. It was a real struggle.

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Speaker 1: Yo.

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Speaker 2: I remember an episode of your TV raps where you

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Speaker 1: And I think, I Ji j.

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Speaker 7: J five sixty, I think you know everything.

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Speaker 1: I remember this, he had the jacket.

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Speaker 7: So what happened.

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Speaker 6: What happened was and I'm gonna take you some real

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Speaker 6: shit I never said before, but uh, it.

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Speaker 7: Was probably the first or the second.

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Speaker 7: Of the but I remember we was making these.

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Speaker 6: So we were making these coats and these snorkels, the

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Speaker 6: going to a party and Puffy and jay Z walking

444
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 6: into the bathroom. I was in the bathroom where FJ

445
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 6: five sixty snorkels on, and I was like, oh shit.

446
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 6: They was like, yeah, we're rocking your ship. And I'm

447
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 6: like allright, cool, yok. But the business partners that I had,

448
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 6: they were really really cheap. They didn't want to really

449
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 6: mass produced, they didn't really really want to market and promote,

450
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 6: and we lost our shot. We could have made hundreds

451
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 6: of millions of dollars with that land, with that line.

452
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 7: It was ahead of his time.

453
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeahed to visit that, like y'all.

454
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: I remember you and Freddie were like live at that

455
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: story and like, yo, I'm gonna go over there and

456
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: see that joint like I always wanted to see it.

457
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: Never knew what happened to it.

458
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: Hey, Joe, I was just gonna ask I just I

459
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: was just kind of curious since you were talking about

460
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: you signed your deal in the middle of the street.

461
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: You were new to the story. You didn't know anything

462
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: some of those hard lessons that you had to learn

463
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: on your way. Because now you are you are the

464
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: business man. You know this business in and out. But

465
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 3: before we were like a couple of them hard lessons

466
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: that you had to learn.

467
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 6: Well, I really, I really ain't gonna lie to you.

468
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 6: I did not get jerked by Chris Lady in the

469
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 6: middle of the street. I was lucky, good, No, No,

470
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 6: I was lucky. He did not jerk me. He was

471
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 6: fared with me. Uh forever Relativity was good to be.

472
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 6: But I did get jerked from my publisher. So I

473
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 6: had signed a deal with h This guy's name is

474
00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 6: Jellybean Ben.

475
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, So he was signing. He was doing music

476
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 7: for madnad Or.

477
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 6: So he hit with the he hit me, he hit

478
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 6: me with the YO. We both led Tino this this bullshit.

479
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 6: And then I met him in nineteen ninety two. I

480
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 6: signed this publishing. He gave me fifty thousand dollars when

481
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 6: I signed. He's been robbing me for that publishing ever since.

482
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 6: And I still ain't seen him in like twenty five years.

483
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, and so we've been trying to

484
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 6: get some type of royalty accounting or whatever. I didn't

485
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 6: have my publishing back till around lean back, but anything

486
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 6: before there was not anything I did.

487
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 7: The man robbed me for my publishing real talk.

488
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: Oh shit, damn Benita, Yeah yeah.

489
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 6: Donald, good boy, Donald, my good old latt though, my

490
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 6: good old Latito brother.

491
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: Can you talk to like?

492
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 4: Can you talk to where like Latino music and hip

493
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 4: hop were meeting at that time? I mean behind you

494
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 4: a giant picture of Fector leve O. We can't the

495
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 4: king of.

496
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 7: What's your name? Who asked that question?

497
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm Bill Sherman.

498
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 7: Yo, Bill, let me tell you something, Bill.

499
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 6: Hip hop is please black and Latino music from day one.

500
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 6: So if you go to the very inception of hip

501
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 6: hop music, the very first black party jam, you will

502
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 6: see the Latinos in there and the blacks and they

503
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 6: break dancing and they white and graft. Latinos just break

504
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 6: dancing and white and graffiti. So the black guys is

505
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 6: mostly DJ and them seeing and that's.

506
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 7: The real focus point on it.

507
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 6: But if you go to day one and you look

508
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 6: into archives of hip hop, it's always been black and

509
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 6: Latino music.

510
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: Was it like that?

511
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Bill, but for you like in the house,

512
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: like was it like was for me?

513
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 7: Personally? I grew up.

514
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 6: I grew up black, so like I'm a black Latino

515
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 6: Now it's real.

516
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: Now you gotta break that.

517
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: That's real.

518
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: Everybody in the world don't understand what that means.

519
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 7: I grew up black, so like, uh where I.

520
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 6: Where I grew up was ninety nine point nine black

521
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 6: and Fat Joe had the hairs like the Beatles with

522
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 6: green eyes and thought he was black because there wasn't

523
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 6: no Latina.

524
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 7: So all my girlfriends growing up was black, me black.

525
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 6: If you look at the class pictures as me and

526
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 6: thirty black people, like who they did? I think they

527
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 6: said the killing of Malcolm X. Who killed Malcolm X?

528
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 6: They showed his class pitcher at one point he was

529
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 6: the only black guy who was nothing.

530
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 7: But white people with the whole pitcher when.

531
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 6: He was growing up, right, And that was fat Joe

532
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 6: And that was that Joe.

533
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: So you said, like the Beatles, you mean mop head

534
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: or hippie Arabic.

535
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, like this, look I put up a picture maybe

536
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 6: like two weeks ago. I found one with my hair

537
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 6: like the Beatles, bro like the fucking Beatles like my mushroom. Okay, yeah,

538
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 6: And so what happened was nobody told me, yo, you're

539
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 6: not black.

540
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 7: I don't know how to explain it to y'all.

541
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 6: So even though my my father's Cuban and my mother's Porton.

542
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 6: You know, my mother speaks English fluently everything, you know,

543
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 6: she grew up on all the Gladys Night, all of

544
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 6: weka Franklins, you know, my house.

545
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 7: Every day we didn't place house, we played I Will survive.

546
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 6: Oh oh, now, wuck out the door, like that's the

547
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 6: ship we was playing. And and it wasn't until I

548
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 6: went to high school and there was no social media.

549
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 7: It wasn't even a rap video at that time. So

550
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 7: when when when?

551
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 6: When I went to high school, I met a friend

552
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 6: of mine. His name was Charlie. He lived on the

553
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 6: other side of the Brothers and when he took me

554
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: to his hood, I never knew there was so much

555
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 6: Puerto Ricans in the Bronx and it's like fifteen minutes away.

556
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 7: So just like me, I met the one black guy.

557
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, then I met the one black guy who thought

558
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 6: was Puerto Rican.

559
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: In that neighborhood.

560
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 7: Motherfucker blackness. Shit, he thought he was Puerto Rican.

561
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 6: Right, So when I went there and I started going

562
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 6: to Charlie's house, that's when his mother was like, yo.

563
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 7: You're not black. And she starts sclaming Pack the ball

564
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 7: gorm Ball.

565
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 6: Group on Nis, all the South Side, you know, all

566
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 6: the legends, and I'm like, oh shit. So that's when

567
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 6: I got put onto Spanish music and more so Spanish pride,

568
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 6: started finding myself and my culture. Every window I looked

569
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 6: at Puerto Rican flags. I'm talking about fourteen flights. Every

570
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 6: window had Puerto Rican flags and they was bumping that

571
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 6: south Side ship out the window.

572
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 7: They was like this.

573
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 6: So that's when I started to learn about heck, the

574
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 6: south southe music and that Latino heritage. And then from

575
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 6: there I just wanted to learn more and more and

576
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 6: more more and uh and that's where we.

577
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: Are, yo.

578
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: Not to fast forward, but just I gotta tell you,

579
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: based off of that, that's why it was so good

580
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: to see that episode of She's Got to Have It

581
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: when y'all went back to Puerto Rico and really just

582
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: broke down the connection of like the African diaspora to

583
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico and how we are all black and how

584
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: they you know, it was just it was perfection. That

585
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: must have felt real good.

586
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: I was, all right, now, all.

587
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: We got to skip you who you channeling with your voice?

588
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: With Benning went like, that was my favorite character from

589
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: that show.

590
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 6: All right, thank god, but listen let me tell you.

591
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 6: Uh Now, I meet a lot of people I met

592
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 6: at bars with a bunch of actors that say, yo, man,

593
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 6: you killed that Ship was like, you know.

594
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: I went hard.

595
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 6: I know y'all went hard, though, so hard, like it

596
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 6: was just that character. I'm gonna tell you the truth, y'all.

597
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 6: That was like the fourteenth member of Wu Tang. So

598
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 6: what they said, they said, this guy's this guy got money,

599
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 6: got his own strip club, but he's stuck in the past.

600
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 6: He's still wear tims and baggy pants and hoodies and

601
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 6: sniffs a little coat and and and then I was like, oh, Ship,

602
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 6: that's like the long lost member of Wu Tang, and

603
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 6: that's who I modeled when he went after I came

604
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 6: up with that whole character like if you know he

605
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 6: was a member of.

606
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 7: Wu Tang, so look shovels winning within. I know who

607
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 7: the fuck you know? And that's how I feel wh

608
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 7: a lot of times when I get around the.

609
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 6: Wu tang because they all got money, but they be

610
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 6: like you, it's still nine three not four, yo.

611
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Straight up, Pelly Pelly Jack is yo.

612
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 7: Kelly Pelly TEMs. I'm like, yo, Like these niggas ain't

613
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 7: get the memo. Like it's like, you know what that's

614
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 7: that's a winning winner's based off of.

615
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: Do you find do you find it?

616
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Often, especially coming from where you came from and your

617
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: need to evolve as a person and as an artist,

618
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: like outgrowing your teen life and your early adult life

619
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: into where you are now. Was it was it hard

620
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: making that transition? Like was it hard?

621
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: Huh?

622
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 7: No?

623
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 6: No, No, I still got still got your pink t

624
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 6: I still got tim No, I got.

625
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: T was early, he was he was early.

626
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 6: And first of all, the first transition was I had

627
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 6: to go, I'm writing a book of my life. Now

628
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 6: when when it comes out, y'all read it and y'all

629
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 6: get a bigger understanding. Right, But first of all, when

630
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 6: I came in the game, I think the biggest transition

631
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 6: I had to do was, uh, leave the streets behind.

632
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 6: So when I came in the game, a lot of

633
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 6: people were scared of me, hearing my reputation in the

634
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 6: streets to They almost thought like I was going to

635
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 6: be the New York Sugar Night, like extort my way

636
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 6: or whatever. So I had to win people's trust and

637
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 6: never feel like I'm some bully or I'm That was

638
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 6: the first.

639
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 7: Transition I had to make. So I actually was sitting

640
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 7: back looking at everybody else active fool when I knew

641
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 7: I could score everybody.

642
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 6: But you know, try to be a nice guy so

643
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 6: these people won't think I'm an animal, right, And then

644
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 6: we still had that conception of keep.

645
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 7: It real, keep it real, keep it real.

646
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 6: So fad y'all always had to keep it real, keep

647
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 6: it real, even though I had records like What's Love

648
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 6: When you saw me, I was walking in with thirty

649
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 6: street dudes, entourage, ice drilling, you know, so you was like, yo,

650
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 6: we had that. I think that was the biggest transition

651
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 6: I had to make, and I made it maybe in

652
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 6: the last five years of my life, where I said,

653
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: you know, fuck, keep it real. Keep it real is

654
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 6: making sure my people are fed, my family's good, and

655
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 6: let me try to elevate and grow and be this

656
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 6: guy you see now, where damn, this guy's a nice guy,

657
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 6: like we just never knew and at the time too,

658
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 6: like I don't want like me and Me and Biggie

659
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 6: was really tight. Me and Notorious vi Igy Biggie was

660
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 6: really tight. I don't have just would be.

661
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 7: Because at the time it wasn't cool.

662
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 6: You felt like you was a sucker that asked somebody, yo,

663
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 6: let's take a picture, right, So I missed out on

664
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 6: all that, right. So, and at that time, even if

665
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 6: you liked the each other, everybody was ice grilling each other, right,

666
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 6: So I had to learn how to smile. I had

667
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 6: to learn yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to learn how

668
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 6: to smile and be like all right, yo, let it down,

669
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 6: like grow, we're getting old the chill. And that was

670
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 6: the biggest transition I had to make from keeping it real.

671
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 7: And I lost a lot.

672
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 6: Of money keeping it real because people really didn't want

673
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 6: when I didn't understand this people he't want to be

674
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 6: affiliated with gangsters.

675
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 7: Like you know what I mean.

676
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 6: And Joe let alone. We heard rumors he's a gangster.

677
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 6: He's coming with thirty gangsters. And you know, we can't

678
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 6: invite Joe. We really want Joe to come to the Ampons,

679
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 6: but we know that guy's coming with dirty street guys

680
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 6: and somebody might get wrong.

681
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 7: Did the bathroom and the all white party? So don't invite.

682
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: Joe a.

683
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 7: Man.

684
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 5: One question I always wanted to ask you, ahad were

685
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 5: you about to ask about who shot you?

686
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: Oh?

687
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 5: Well we get there before you, man. So one question

688
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 5: I always want to ask you, just as an MC Joe.

689
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 5: So your trajectory, your progression from represent the jealous ones

690
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: envy was like phenomenal.

691
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: What did you do.

692
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 5: In terms of stepping your tell you what happens that

693
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 5: from that first album the second album.

694
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you what happens? Right?

695
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 6: So I came uh, I came out at a time

696
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 6: where Flow Joe went number one in the country. But

697
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 6: if you really listen to Flow Joe, I'm going bust

698
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 6: ship check it.

699
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 7: Watch shout record, niggas, watch your back record. Shooting is

700
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 7: getting hectic.

701
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 6: I can't vibes like count Basie a sick right, So

702
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 6: it's like it's like it was abcb E d FG.

703
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 6: It really wasn't lyrical, it wasn't nothing. And so you

704
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 6: loved the song. You love the fact that I was

705
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 6: certified by the Digging in the Cratescrew. You love my history.

706
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 6: When you when you, when you called up your cousins

707
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 6: in New York. It was like, no, no, no, them

708
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 6: boys is laying it down like they did the truth.

709
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 7: So you was intrigued. You was intrigued. It's similar to

710
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 7: like young Jez with BMF.

711
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 6: When he came out, we was like, oh, he's part

712
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 6: of it, so it was all that, But I really

713
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 6: wasn't dope. So there's a guy who came out. His

714
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 6: name was Nas And now remember sitting in the car.

715
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 6: Show Biz came to get me.

716
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 7: You have the beamer. He was like, yo, Joe, getting

717
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 7: the car, come down. So I got in the car

718
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 7: and when he pressed played and.

719
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 6: That it was like sneak ouzy on Allan in my

720
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 6: armiac and Lye in there and Common in the bay

721
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 6: half man, half amazing. But when I'm I was like,

722
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 6: it was the most incredible ship I ever heard in

723
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 6: my life.

724
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 7: But at the same time, it was almost like a

725
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 7: morgue or a cemetery for MC's Like Fat Joe.

726
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 6: It was like, if you do not step your ship up,

727
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 6: it is over.

728
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 7: It's low joke, wanted done.

729
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: So I don't think MCS do that anymore, y'all.

730
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 7: They don't. So he he pushed the game.

731
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 6: He elevated the game to a point of where you

732
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 6: couldn't get away with busst checking. So I had to

733
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 6: study him. I studied them. I might have listened to

734
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 6: that tape if I say twenty million times is not

735
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 6: it's not enough, and that reasonable doubt came out and

736
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 6: all that. So everybody was like, so when reasonable doubt

737
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 6: came out, I can relate to that more because he

738
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 6: was talking that drug dealer life and where I came from,

739
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 6: and I said, oh, Ship, we could do that, like

740
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 6: we could talk that joke. So then when I came

741
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 6: hustling is the key to success, the key the sextety

742
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 6: getting wet, the game sequel play, and then what's for

743
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 6: the cass to cerebri blod Yeah, so they I was like, oh, Ship,

744
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 6: I could be mean, like I could. I could really

745
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 6: save my life.

746
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: H So let me ask, all right, since you mentioned him,

747
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: because I feel like one of your most underrated bangers.

748
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: The incredible was No, it was John Blaze, Oh yeah,

749
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: John Blaize, Yeah yeah, yeah, I.

750
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: Mean when Cosmic Cosmic keV played that in Philly Man.

751
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: He he rarely is one of those I'll play something

752
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: three times in a row like the way that fum

753
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: Flex does, like I gotta play it over. But the

754
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: day that John Blaze came out with you and NAS

755
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: was like that that was that was a moment.

756
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: So I mean, how did you feel at that moment?

757
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: When when that when that was actually even before I

758
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: asked that, let me let me go back, because I

759
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: feel like your your moment of really stepping it up

760
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: for me was who shot you?

761
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? I shot you?

762
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 7: I shot you? I shot you?

763
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: Did that? How did that even come to be? Because

764
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: for me, like the way you ended that, lind.

765
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: Think you're talking to you, we cried, he gods and

766
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: so like that, I felt like that was your Domino

767
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: Slam moment. Domino, So what what?

768
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: How did how did that story? How did that come

769
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: to be?

770
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 6: First of all, l who j is my idol And

771
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: I've never back down. I've never backed down for competition.

772
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 6: I've never backed down to this day. And you could

773
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 6: be the greatest rap on the earth and I'm gonna

774
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 6: go to the toe with them, never been scared of

775
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 6: it actually elevates me. Like you ever see like Golden

776
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 6: State when they were the best team in the world,

777
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 6: They'll play the whackers team and then they'll play whack

778
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 6: like them.

779
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 7: But when they when there's.

780
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 6: A big game, it brings me up. If I get

781
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 6: on song with jay Z or now's whoever I'm going like,

782
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 6: I'm going on on another level. I couldn't wait for

783
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 6: this moment. So I'm working on my second album. The

784
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 6: track masters come in the studio we had in New

785
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 6: York Battery Studio something and they come in and they

786
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 6: were like, yo, Joe.

787
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 7: They was like, but you work on said my album.

788
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 6: I played them a couple of joints off my albums,

789
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 6: like Yo, we need to ask love. That's when I

790
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 6: came in with that who the fuck you think you

791
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 6: talking to? I paid dues, I splayed Cruise.

792
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 7: Look at Joey Krat motherfuckers. He like the dudes running

793
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 7: this rocket for New York.

794
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 6: Come on Tingos starting Revvo bring years for Nah.

795
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 7: That was my moment.

796
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: Was it all that?

797
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 7: Like? Were you all next level?

798
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: Were you all doing it at the same time or

799
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: was it just piecemeal? Like was Foxy?

800
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 6: There was John John Blaize, No, no, no, John Blaze.

801
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 7: I did with everybody, but but that No, he just

802
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 7: gave me the beat and I just went for mine.

803
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: You know, because that's that's the risky thing about doing

804
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: posse cuts, because I know oftentimes and I watched this

805
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: a lot with Tariq whenever people ask him, you know,

806
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: to do stuff or whatever. Recently, uh Tarik's on a

807
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: point with Eminem, and I mean on Eminem's records, like

808
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: a posse cut and Threeque was kind of salty because

809
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: he had.

810
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: His joint first.

811
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: It was like, man, I don't want to be the

812
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: first guy to submit the verse because then they'll you know,

813
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: no one wants to be the first guy. So I

814
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: always wanted to know how are posse cuts organized? Like

815
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: do you hear everyone else's ship?

816
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 7: Or I don't do that. I'm not going I'm not

817
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 7: gonna lie to you quest man, fat Joe's so underrated?

818
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 6: Is I don't know how to explain it to you. Man,

819
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 6: I don't listen to nobody's ship. I don't listen to

820
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 6: nobody's ship. I go in there and I tell them

821
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 6: play the music, and when they play the music, I

822
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 6: write the ship right and they face with my own

823
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 6: flow and I go in there, Yo, what's the hook? Ooh,

824
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 6: I need to beat. I need to hook the hook?

825
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 7: Is this ice?

826
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 6: And no one where we're going with it and I'm

827
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 6: gonna just go crazy. I never changed my verse.

828
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 7: I never.

829
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 6: Like, I don't know, you know, I'm just not on

830
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 6: it like that. I just you know me, I fight

831
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 6: for my life every time. So every time I write,

832
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 6: I write like this the last song I might ever

833
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 6: do in my life, Like I might die to day.

834
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 7: And that's just my strategy. That's always been my strategy.

835
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 7: So that means I give it two thousand every time

836
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 7: I rap. So I'm never worried like that.

837
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 6: But you gotta treat every verse.

838
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 5: I was saying, you gotta treat every verse like it's

839
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 5: the first time somebody might be hearing you. You know

840
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 5: what I'm saying that. That's kind of been my lesson.

841
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 5: This is moving along every time.

842
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 6: And you also got to know that anytime a young

843
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 6: artist asks you to get on it, you know, they

844
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 6: want to give you a can of what pass. So

845
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 6: you really gotta pay attention and spit that ship because

846
00:44:59,760 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: you know.

847
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 7: So that's how it is.

848
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 6: It's just like boxing, motherfucker, take a box in the

849
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 6: great motherfucker. Mike Tyson was killing niggas in twelve seconds,

850
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 6: but when he was already thirty some years old looking

851
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 6: for that check. They was using him to beat him

852
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 6: up and look like there's somebody ill, you know, And

853
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 6: that's pretty much what a young dude to do. If

854
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 6: a hot young dude says, crack, let's get on the record.

855
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 6: Like I did two songs with the Griselda Boys, I

856
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 6: went crazy.

857
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna let them rip me down.

858
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 6: I'm just not like I'm a you know, I'm a

859
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 6: go for mine crazy. I mean, the only person I

860
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 6: let my guard down with. And she don't like me

861
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 6: to say this is remedy me. She's the only person

862
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 6: on her I don't feel competition with. She's the only

863
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 6: person I don't care if she beats me, you know,

864
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 6: I rap rap and let her.

865
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 7: I want her to always shine no matter what.

866
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: You know that I about to say, why Remy, Why

867
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: is it? What is it about Remy? Because you didn't

868
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: rhyme with other brothers, other sisters book Now.

869
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 6: She's my sister for like, you know what I mean,

870
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 6: So I want her to I want her to sound

871
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 6: great anyway. I'm not talking about I'm taking it easy

872
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 6: on Remy. I'm not saying I'm spitting my best ship.

873
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 6: But I don't get mad if Remy beats me on

874
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 6: the She's We did that remix with jay Z. She

875
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 6: went eight ship bro Like god, Now I was happy, Jojo.

876
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: Can you just tell us the first time you heard Remy? Like,

877
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: what was it? When did she stop you in your tracks?

878
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 7: Unreal? Uh? Pun said, uh, y'all want you to meet.

879
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 6: Somebody, and and he brought her to the studio.

880
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 7: She came in. I never.

881
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 6: She was so skinny. She had the leather vest and

882
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 6: uh and we played the beat and she rapped for

883
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 6: like ten minutes straight the air bubbos in your sneakers

884
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 6: in trouble. I'm Rye's my brother. And I was so amazed,

885
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 6: but I was jealous and I was mad because I

886
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 6: was like, damn, Pun discovered that she gonna be Pun artist,

887
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 6: like I wish she was my artist.

888
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: I was mad.

889
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 6: I still quiet Punk and see that I was mad.

890
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 6: She tells me the story. She says, Yo, bro, you

891
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 6: ice grilled me for like ten minutes.

892
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 7: I was really mad.

893
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 6: I was in there like, yo, shit, I wish i'd

894
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 6: discovered that. Why she ain't come up to me. And

895
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 6: then when we walked out the studio, Pun hugs me

896
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 6: and says, I know you ain't know where she's gonna

897
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 6: be your artist. Don't worry, she's your artist.

898
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 7: How did you get pun?

899
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 6: I went to a bodega writ in my projects that

900
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 6: I always used to go to, and uh, they was

901
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 6: just out there. It was him and like three other

902
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 6: guys freestyling. So I came out with a diet pepsi.

903
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 6: I had my diet pepsi and I looked at him

904
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 6: and I and I was like, yo, what is this

905
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 6: fatteris bandished? Dude gonna spit about? Like I just I was,

906
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 6: what the fuck is this nigga gonna talk about? And

907
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 6: and so I walked up and he said, chill, y'all, chill, chill, chill.

908
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 7: He was obviously the leader. And so he starts rapping

909
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 7: and he's like that that stop, Like allright, like you

910
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 7: stopped the car said pull the moon out the sky

911
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 7: and blow the sun away.

912
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 6: Me and my niggas playing hard call liver, till up

913
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 6: the little brick and God throw up my frog throw.

914
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 7: But I gotta do it.

915
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: So I was.

916
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 6: Like I could not take it. I ran to the

917
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 6: passenger side. I had a white less LS four hundred

918
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 6: and I opened.

919
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 7: The door and said please get inside. Please we locked

920
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 7: the door and and that that was.

921
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 6: Just it was just, it was just beautiful because I'm

922
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 6: the youngest brother. I'm the youngest kid in my family,

923
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 6: but I never had a little brother, and Pond never

924
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 6: had a big brother. I realized Puma's like, Yo, you're

925
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 6: gonna be my big brother. You're gonna be my big brother.

926
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be brother, and you know, you gotta have

927
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 7: my back.

928
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 6: And I said, I got your back. And they started

929
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 6: telling me about his life were real personal deep shit.

930
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 6: You know, Plumer's homeless growing up. You know, nobody gave

931
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 6: a fuck about him. And told me all that just

932
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 6: just ripped it up. And me coming from the streets

933
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 6: before I even wrapped the rap ship is even faker.

934
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 6: But coming from the streets, uh where I see men

935
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 6: that you know, killers and murderers and all types of people.

936
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 6: I had never met a person who could just open

937
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 6: up himself and his pain. First time I met him

938
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 6: and there and I was just like, now I love

939
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 6: this dude.

940
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 7: Man.

941
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 6: I fucked with him on another level and and and

942
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 6: that's how I met Bun.

943
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

944
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 7: You know.

945
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 2: Bill h unpaid Bill here and I are a part

946
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: of the team. Ah that uh worked on Hamilton, and

947
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: I know that. You know, anytime Lynn Manuel does an

948
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: interview about who is lyrical inspiration was to put Hamilton together,

949
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: he won't hesitate to say, like how important Big Pun's

950
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: lyrical style was just on his life and just you know,

951
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: culture rely and all those things like oh for sure,

952
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: you know, I almost wonder, like what Hamilton would just

953
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 2: be a regular Broadway show if it was.

954
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: To this day, to this day.

955
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 4: Dead in the middle of Little Italy but Little is

956
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 4: one of his favorite Yeah, yeah, because internal rhyme was

957
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 4: always is always his thing and everything, and so that

958
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 4: always we used to listen to that a lot.

959
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: That record was on auto auto spin at our house.

960
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: That that was that was his hero, like he will

961
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: he I mean, you know Big.

962
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 5: Pun Little did we know that we ridle to Middleman

963
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 5: who didn't do Italy?

964
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

965
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, you know, uh, you know, Dead in the

966
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 6: middle of Little literally almost wasn't Dead in the middle

967
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 6: of a Little literally, so like Pun was so advanced

968
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 6: that it was a joke to him, Dead in the

969
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 6: middle of Little Italy was actually a joke, he would say,

970
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 6: like he would have he put it on the album

971
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 6: to pack in the back in the back of the ACA.

972
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Ask you about what, because to me, that is my favorite.

973
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: That is one of my favorite skits on a hip

974
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: hop record, only because I know I know that he

975
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: was reenacting the Scarface scene where he lets the one

976
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: guy go and the one guy's like, thanks, fun, I

977
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: appreciate it, and he runs off like, but literally, what

978
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: was what was the deal with packing the back in

979
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 2: the back of the act?

980
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 6: For one, now that we're floating in this era, we

981
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 6: were unconscious.

982
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 7: We was like, we was numb. We were crazy, man,

983
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 7: we was just fucking crazy. I don't know how to

984
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 7: explain it.

985
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 6: To you and stuff that you you think about regular people.

986
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 6: I thought, you know, when I grew up, Uh, I

987
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 6: grew up seeing death. Uh maybe I had forty guys

988
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 6: I grew up with. Thirty eight of them got killed

989
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 6: real shit before they toWin years old twenty one. So

990
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 6: and when I meet regular people who didn't have friends

991
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 6: dying at sixteen, So I'm like, then I start saying, like, damn,

992
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 6: some of the ship we done say the music like

993
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 6: motherfucker's like with a normal life, It's like, yo, what

994
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 6: the fuck is wrong with them? Because he's saying packing

995
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 6: the back in the back of the act. He saw

996
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 6: about Machine guy packing the back in the back of

997
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 6: the act, pack of the back, and uh so.

998
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 7: That was the joke. And then in the middle of

999
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 7: it literally was the other joke. Then in the middle

1000
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 7: of it literally.

1001
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 6: So when we did the song together, I said, Yo,

1002
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 6: you gotta put that debdit. I swear to God on everything,

1003
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 6: you got to put that dead in the middle. He

1004
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 6: was like, Yo, that ship whack nigga, that ship is

1005
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 6: a joke. That shit, I said, Pun, that ship will

1006
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 6: blow their minds off. He was like, no, I'm telling you,

1007
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 6: that shit regular that ship, but that's a joke. And

1008
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 6: they and I gassed him to put in that motherfucker

1009
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 6: and man, you know it was He was, uh, you

1010
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 6: know this guys born. This guy's born. Jay Z was born,

1011
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 6: Nas was born, Eminem was born, Big Pun was born. Uh,

1012
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of others. I guess rock Kim

1013
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 6: was born. There is no other job description for these

1014
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 6: people that they were born to do that, Like, there's

1015
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 6: just no that is the DNA their birth was on

1016
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 6: that pum wore fall asleep, wake up and be like,

1017
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 6: give me the book twin, give me the book. That's

1018
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 6: crazy because I got paper and pen right here, he said.

1019
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 6: He goes, give me the book, Give me the book, Twin.

1020
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 6: Give me the book, Twin, and I give him the book.

1021
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 6: He write a whole sword down. He thought about it

1022
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 6: in his dreams and write the whole song down. It's crazy, man,

1023
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 6: it was. The guy was a genius. It's just nowhere

1024
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 6: around it.

1025
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: And his breath control was kind of like crazy. I

1026
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: don't understand how he did all that and then still

1027
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 3: the breath control.

1028
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 7: You know, he would do it on stage. You know.

1029
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 7: Pun was different, like you know, you know how you

1030
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 7: see boxes. It's crazy. I keep referring back to boxing,

1031
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 7: but you know how you see boxes.

1032
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 6: It's so nice that nobody wants to fight them, so

1033
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 6: they can't really get a real fighters. You know, you'll

1034
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 6: get knocked out. Pun would invite every rapper to the

1035
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 6: studio to do a song with him, and no one

1036
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 6: would show up.

1037
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

1038
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 6: So we would drive around, me and Pun and he

1039
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 6: would see like a cipher up and becoming rappers battling

1040
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 6: each other, and he would get out the car double

1041
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 6: Platinum rich and battle the whole cipher like wow. You

1042
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 6: know nobody want to smoke with pun. I don't know

1043
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 6: how to explain it to you. In no way, shape

1044
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 6: or form. Did anybody wants smoke with this guy? They

1045
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 6: could say whatever, forget them, whatever you want, but nobody.

1046
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 6: When he was alive, people were going, don't.

1047
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 7: Let him off, don't let him on.

1048
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 6: For mass of Flex used to have these ciphers and

1049
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 6: every week you would bring rappers up there.

1050
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 7: So one week it's Nori up.

1051
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 6: There, Cameron, Uh Nori, Cameron, I think DMX is somebody

1052
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 6: else right, and Puny hears it and starts racing down

1053
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 6: from the Bronx to Hot ninety seven. So pun is

1054
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 6: calling this the hotline punk caused Flex picks up. He's like, yo, yo, yo, yo,

1055
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 6: you got let me up there. You gotta let me

1056
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 6: up there. You gotta let me up there. So Flex said,

1057
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 6: here's a true story. Flex said he looked at everybody

1058
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 6: up there and was like, yo, Pun is on his way.

1059
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 6: He said, They was like no, like no, like don't

1060
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 6: let don't let him on this motherfucker please, So that

1061
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 6: pun Of rids Hot ninety seven. He's calling Flex a

1062
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 6: million times. Flex, don't pick up the phone. They free

1063
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 6: styling up there. So Punk calls me, yo, twin this

1064
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 6: nigga Flex, moe me up there, this, this that. So

1065
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 6: then later on I got with uh with with with

1066
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 6: with with Flex and I asked him the truth.

1067
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 7: I was like, Yo, Flex, why are you didn't let

1068
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 7: one up there? He said, Yo. They were scared to death.

1069
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 7: They didn't want to let pun up there on that cipher.

1070
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 7: They want him up there and.

1071
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 6: Were talking about big guys. Came on d M X

1072
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 6: Snorri after prime. They was like, he, no, don't let

1073
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 6: that boy up if.

1074
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 7: You're gonna come up in it. But it is.

1075
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 6: I gotta go love y'all man A part two. Whatever

1076
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 6: you want, man, I'm here yo two coming.

1077
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,840
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