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Speaker 1: And that's a wrap on the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Sirek and Paul

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Speaker 1: calvic Bot join me. We run it back once again

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Speaker 1: to discuss Day three. Five picks made twelve total picks

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Speaker 1: GM mon the Assin Ford and assistant GM Dave Sears.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven fifty two and it

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Puda Baker, What Heart? What rent?

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Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craiggriolo.

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Speaker 1: It went so well on Friday, thought we would do

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Speaker 1: it again a little Cover three here on cover two,

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Speaker 1: Day three, the twenty twenty four NFL Draft is in

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Speaker 1: the books. The entire twenty twenty four NFL Draft is

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Speaker 1: in the books. A total of twelve picks, an NFL

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Speaker 1: high twelve picks five on Saturday so a big picture

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Speaker 1: for us. Danny, what do you think of the hall

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Speaker 4: Overall, I think the Cardinals had a nice draft. It

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Speaker 4: seems like they not only address knees, but they got

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Speaker 4: the right type of players who have the right mindset

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Speaker 4: for what they're looking for, fit the cultures as who

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Speaker 4: they are as people. And it's very clear that all

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Speaker 4: these draft picks love ball, as they like to say,

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Speaker 4: So I think they did a nice job of addressing

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Speaker 4: immediate needs, especially early on, of players that seem like

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Speaker 4: they will be immediate impactful players. Obviously got wide receiver

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Speaker 4: And then I like the fact that the Cardinals were

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Speaker 4: the position rooms they want to see some competition in,

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Speaker 4: and cornerback is absolutely one of those rooms. Having drafted

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Speaker 4: some depth and competition on.

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Speaker 1: The subjects of cornerback. Though it was Mani who mentioned

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Speaker 1: in his post draft pressure that is just how the

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Speaker 3: Again, there was one proven corner on the roster before

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Speaker 3: obviously like Garrett Williams and there's some other talent in there.

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Speaker 3: Every single draft has need baked into it. It just does.

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Speaker 3: It's not best player available at every single slot. You

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Speaker 3: First of all, there's a lot of players in this class.

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Speaker 3: It's the first time I ever remember needing more than

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Speaker 1: Twelve selections the most in a single draft of the

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Speaker 1: But here's who the Cardinals brought on board on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: But he had the fourth fastest forty at the combine

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Speaker 1: And and it's the position that I mentioned on Friday's

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Speaker 4: For Xavier Thomas in that room, there's a very good

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about it. Chop Robinson ran a four

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Speaker 1: Before we get to the last couple of picks, we

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Speaker 3: And it's no.

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Speaker 4: Wolf's brain has got to be working in overtime right

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Speaker 3: Use, right, Okay, So I have two reactions. Show Hans.

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Speaker 3: You saw Eminem come out to start the NFL draft

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I have not? Well, is it fair?

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Speaker 4: Very good?

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Speaker 3: Is his name in the movie is Rabbit? His mom

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Speaker 1: Especially this week, I don't think of Eminem. It's come on,

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing I'll convey is he gave a

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Speaker 1: That's that that leaves a lot for our marketing departments,

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Speaker 3: I mean, take him out. Do they still race greyhounds?

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Speaker 3: I can't do everything.

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Speaker 1: Let's think, Danny, we got a we got another edition

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Speaker 3: Here's the deal, though, is we went into this draft

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Speaker 3: And last year, I think you guys would agree. After

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Speaker 3: So I thought it was really good value in round

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Speaker 3: So if you can add another guy like that and

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Speaker 1: And the ball. Howking skills ten career interceptions, that's an

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Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah. I think that was an underrated part that

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's look at the final two picks

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Speaker 1: on Saturday, sixth round. You talk about double up at positions.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of these draft players that have

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Speaker 1: As Dave's said about Ryman can move people, and that's

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Speaker 1: what we heard from Ryman in his conference call, the

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Speaker 1: ability to move people against their will, put them where

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Speaker 1: he wants them, not where they want to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, after we heard from Mania Oscivor and Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 3: on Friday night, I wanted to hear from Dave Sears.

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Speaker 3: I needed more opinions on Tip Ryman, and so I

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Speaker 3: asked him about it. You know, look, is he really

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Speaker 3: just a blocking tight end? And Dave Sears and not

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Speaker 3: so many words, said no, he has the ability, has

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Speaker 3: the athleticism to be a target in the past game

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Speaker 3: that you saw it in the All Star Games. Right

448
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Speaker 3: voted All East Practice team. At the Shrine Game, Drew

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Speaker 3: Terrell once again was the offensive coordinator there. What's mind

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Speaker 3: blowing is he had the top next gen stat athleticism

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Speaker 3: score among all tight ends, he was above brock Bauers.

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Speaker 3: And he's a dude at six five two seventy one.

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Speaker 3: So once again, this is what I mean by really intriguing.

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Speaker 3: What are these guys it's going to be all about

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Speaker 3: out on the field when he's described as a mauler,

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Speaker 3: but he has all these physical yards after catch, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna be sort of like a gronk type.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's out there and he can hold his

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Speaker 3: own at the point of attack, but then you get

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Speaker 3: him the ball and nobody's bringing him down in first contact.

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Speaker 3: Certainly not a dB dude's turning him down. It's six

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Speaker 3: five two seventy one. With athleticism, he's coming, charging, galloping

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Speaker 3: in the open field. Funny how guys take funny angles

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Speaker 3: to a tight end like that and they don't quite

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Speaker 3: get there with enough force. So I am really curious

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Speaker 3: how he might potentially pair up with Trey McBride.

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Speaker 1: And nothing's been handed to Ryman. He was a preferred

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Speaker 1: walk on at Illinois and had to earn his spot,

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Speaker 1: earn that scholarship and now here in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Last pick of the twenty twenty four NFL Draft of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. We save the best for last, another

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Speaker 1: cornerback Jaden Davis out of Miami. But it's not so

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Speaker 1: much the player the position, Paul, but it's the selection

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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty sixth overall, the spot where the

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Speaker 1: Cards drafted Pat Tillman. In nineteen ninety eight. Owner Michael

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Speaker 1: Bidwell on the phone spoke with Davis about the importance

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Speaker 1: of that pick. Davis, when he addressed the media on

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Speaker 1: a conference call, understood the importance and now put it

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Speaker 1: on himself to learn more about the selection and more

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Speaker 1: about Pat Tillman, not just the player, but the person overall.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he essentially told the media that it was conveyed

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Speaker 3: to me the importance of pick number two twenty six,

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Speaker 3: he said, and now it's important to me going forward.

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Speaker 3: And you look at a guy who spent four years

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Speaker 3: at Oklahoma and then after the coaching change, right with

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma losing its coach to USC then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley is gone. So he goes, all right, you

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Speaker 3: know what, I'm going to go home, and he went

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Speaker 3: to Miami. He grew up in Fort Lauderdale. But guess what.

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Speaker 3: He runs a four to four to seven. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: turn down tackles. He's physical enough as a corner. So

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Speaker 3: he got the attention of Jonathan Gannon. We presume he

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Speaker 3: has tons of experience fifty games played, twenty starts at Oklahoma,

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Speaker 3: started all of last season or Miami, so he's played

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Speaker 3: against big time competition. I'm just gonna throw this out

496
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Speaker 3: there that hey, you need a backup to Garrett Williams

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Speaker 3: at slot corner. So I would say the backendo that room.

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Speaker 3: The competition is on. They went after three corners in

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Speaker 3: this draft. You obviously had three rookie corners from last

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Speaker 3: year who are going to be on this roster. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna be that could arguably be the most competitive position

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Speaker 3: group in training camp because after Sean Murphy, Bunting and

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Speaker 3: Garrett Williams right now, not to you, well, maybe by

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Speaker 3: design it is a fifty two card pickup.

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Speaker 4: With Jonathan Gannon's experience not just coaching DB's but also

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Speaker 4: as a scout. If there's again a position where I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna absolutely trust the head coach of maybe seeing raw

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Speaker 4: talent and what they can become and how high the

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Speaker 4: ceiling is for them it's going to be cornerback, and

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Speaker 4: this might have been a pick of they like Jayden

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Speaker 4: Davis and didn't want to risk him becoming an undrafted

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Speaker 4: free agent and having to fight other teams, and they

513
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Speaker 4: wanted him for themselves, and so they took him with

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Speaker 4: the last pick.

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Speaker 3: Look, when you're on day three, you try and swing

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Speaker 3: for the fences, right, buy low, sell high. You're trying

517
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Speaker 3: to find in the stock market terms the next Amazon, right,

518
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Speaker 3: you're gonna buy, and you're hoping this thing really grows.

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Speaker 3: So of course you're gonna go for a guy wh

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Speaker 3: runs a four to four to seven a corner with

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Speaker 3: tons of experience to pick before him in round six?

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Speaker 3: Tejon Palmer. I mean six' one two ten, he's physical.

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Speaker 3: I saw this breakdown by Brian Baldinger. He said his

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Speaker 3: four to four speed, he might have better game speed

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Speaker 3: than at his pro day. He at twenty three miles

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Speaker 3: per hour at one point on one route. Tejon Palmer,

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Speaker 3: and so he earned a spot on Bruce Feldman's Freak

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Speaker 3: list to begin last season. And then you just go

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Speaker 3: Christian Jones, four year starter at Texas a both right

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Speaker 3: and left tackle. So obviously there's a pedigree there and

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Speaker 3: then once again Xavier Thomas, former number three recruit in

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Speaker 3: the nation, rated ahead of Micah Parsons going into the

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Speaker 3: college game freshman all American things trailed off because of

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Speaker 3: reasons beyond football. Okay, he's got to dialed in.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Once again, you make sure in these these day three

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Speaker 3: picks that there's tons of ability. Put it on the coaches.

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Speaker 3: So if you can unlock that ability, wow, you have

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Speaker 3: players capable of Day one or Day two, you know,

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Speaker 3: game type pedigree, and man, it's been a long draft.

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Speaker 3: I'm losing my mind at this point. But look, you know,

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Speaker 3: just that return on investment could be huge based on

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Speaker 3: guys who are big time contributors at big time programs.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Danny a prediction for Polly's Pigskin Breakout

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Speaker 1: Player of the offseason or training camp. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with Jaden Davis because of this conference call quotes that

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Speaker 1: he told the media despite my size, I'm more than

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Speaker 1: athletic enough, I'm more than strong enough. I'm more than

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Speaker 1: able enough to do whatever is asked of me.

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Speaker 4: It was not necessary for the second day. Paul is

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00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 4: staying later at work to be on the podcast. And

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Speaker 4: you keep throwing bullets his way.

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Speaker 3: It's true, that's true. You know. I I'm scanning this though,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I'm taking that as a challenge.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing.

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Speaker 3: Let's see here the early because already I'm sure the

557
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Speaker 3: sports books have put out the odds on the number

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Speaker 3: one pick in next year's NFL draft. It's number two early.

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Speaker 3: So I would say, honestly, breakout player a camp. Now.

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Speaker 3: Normally I look try and go with a guy who's

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Speaker 3: drafted on Day two or three at the very least,

562
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Speaker 3: if not an undrafted guy. But it might be easy

563
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Speaker 3: pickings to go with Xavier Thomas. But I'm going to

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Speaker 3: lean right now towards Trey Benson.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's not what I was thinking. I thought you're

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Speaker 4: gonna say Tejon Palmer the wide receiver out.

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Speaker 3: Of you AB, I'm just thinking you're not gonna give

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Speaker 3: James Conner a lot of action for obvious reasons in

569
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Speaker 3: the preseason. Trey Benson could come in at six foot

570
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Speaker 3: two twenty something four three nine forty and make some

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Speaker 3: dudes look stupid. And so I'm wondering, and I firmly

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Speaker 3: believe RB two is wide open in this offense. So

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Speaker 3: I'm leaning that's my early club house selection here, and

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Speaker 3: I do mean early. It's not even may come on.

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Speaker 1: April twenty seventh. Mark it down. How many times now, Danny,

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Speaker 1: will that name change between now and we continue to

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Speaker 1: talk with Your name's not going to change.

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Speaker 4: She's just gonna keep adding.

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Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, very trout. There you go. One

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Speaker 3: minute she's defending me, the next minute she's.

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Speaker 4: Just piling objective.

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Speaker 3: I'm objective, by the way.

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Speaker 1: Any any last words before we kind of put a

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Speaker 1: button on all of this and uh, give everyone a break.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I let me just say this, I

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Speaker 1: very much appreciate the time that we have all spent

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Speaker 1: together over these three days. From Cardinals Draft Central on

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Speaker 1: Friday and then Friday nights and now here all day long,

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Speaker 1: literally all day long on Saturday, well except Paul.

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Speaker 4: He hit some traffic, so he was here later.

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Speaker 3: It was beyond traffic because here we go. The freeway

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Speaker 3: was closed. I mean Arizona Department of Transportation a DOT.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what is up with closing freeways for what

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Speaker 3: so you can sweep them off? I mean it might

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Speaker 3: it better be monumental to close a freeway? And when

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Speaker 3: you look it up on line. Oh, it's some paved

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Speaker 3: at work. Really, really, were you restriping the gutters on

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Speaker 3: the one oh one? And so you close the entire freeway.

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Speaker 3: I've never lived in a state where there's so little

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Speaker 3: needed to close a freeway.

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Speaker 1: And this is where I give a disclaimer. The views

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Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by one Paul Paul Calvi do necessarily.

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Speaker 1: I'll reflect the opinions of everyone else.

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Speaker 3: I'll even name names because the director over there is

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Speaker 3: Doug Ninsel, and we used to work together Rick ATR. So, Doug,

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00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: what's going on. He'll appreciate that, Come on so And

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Speaker 3: you know what's really what's even worse, thanks for asking,

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Speaker 3: is when they close all freeway and you look over

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Speaker 3: there and there's a crew.

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Speaker 1: Of like four guys ending around doing nothing.

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Speaker 3: All leaning on a shovel. I mean, if you're gonna

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Speaker 3: close a freeway, you better unleash, take a break. There

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Speaker 3: better be an army of workers, Danny, if you're gonna

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Speaker 3: close a freeway instead of four guys with one broom.

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Speaker 1: Before we get Paul into any more trouble with perhaps

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Speaker 1: the Arizona government and the Department of Transportation make that

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Speaker 1: the last word, Paul, you got you get another it's

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Speaker 1: good another rant.

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Speaker 3: It was good for you that I had no advance

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Speaker 3: knowledge of said close freeway, or there's a good chance

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be here right now.

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Speaker 1: Do you not pay attention to like the emails and

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Speaker 1: the social media blasts that they they.

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Speaker 3: Give out there, I'm following. I need to start following

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Speaker 3: the trigger account. But I was preoccupied just a little

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Speaker 3: bit with the NFL draft. Well, Paul, you can stay

627
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Speaker 3: home and I have a relax on some somewhere. Larry

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Speaker 3: Fitzchiald is saying champagne Champagne problems. Derek Calvic shut it

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Speaker 3: and I will.

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Speaker 1: Dan, you can take tomorrow off.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's really kind.

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Speaker 3: Thanks appreciate it that Craig might buy you a drink tonight.

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Speaker 1: All of them. Yeah, I'll buy all of them.

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Speaker 3: Amazing how that works when they're complimentary, big spender.

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Speaker 1: It should be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: On that notes, we will let everyone go off and

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Speaker 1: enjoy what is left of this weekend. We will put

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