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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to forty four,

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Speaker 1: Episode four of Jared Days Like Guys Stay, production of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Friday,

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Speaker 1: July eight. My name is Jack O'Brien a k if

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Speaker 1: you like, If you like Hey drunk colliders and getting

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Speaker 1: energy drained, that is Christie. I'm Gucci Maine making a

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Speaker 1: reference to all the conspiracy theories around what the hay

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Speaker 1: drunk colder is doing to us. I think there maybe

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Speaker 1: some subtler ones that I wasn't familiar with that I

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Speaker 1: caught the ones that was like we've we've been plunged

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Speaker 1: into a new portal into Hell, a new portal into Hell.

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Speaker 1: I think we already opened one up in But I

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Speaker 1: think there's also like energy draining and like keep your

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Speaker 1: energy up, keep your vibrations high. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: any of that ship means. Thank you, Christie Almagucci Man

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Speaker 1: at Wapple House. I am genuinely thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 1: by a very special guest co host, the producer behind

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Speaker 1: shows like Fake Doctor's Real Friends. Welcome to our show.

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Speaker 1: You've heard her on Pop culture, Happy Our read her

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Speaker 1: at Boult Shure, the A V Club Team, Vogue many more.

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Speaker 1: She is the host and executive producer of comic com

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Speaker 1: Meta pod It's the brilliant and talented Joel MONI. What's

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Speaker 1: up back? I want to say a special hello to

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Speaker 1: the TDZ fan you found me at a union meeting.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you. I'm happy to be the lady voice of

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Speaker 1: this podcast, and shout out to your wife. Y'all were beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It was really nice. Were you like speaking at it?

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Speaker 1: And they came up and found you after they were Yes,

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Speaker 1: I was speaking on organizing during a pandemic, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, afterwards, people came up to talk about you know,

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Speaker 1: organizing principles and x y see. And then because like

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Speaker 1: I'm just here as a fan of Daily's like guys,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, hell, yes, I found you, love it,

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Speaker 1: so that was special. I also wanted to tell you

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Speaker 1: that I've I've joined the Macha life. So yeah. Here

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Speaker 1: I talked about how I couldn't do espressos anymore. I

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Speaker 1: I don't hate it, Grassholk is what you which I

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Speaker 1: think is I think it's fair. Let's bring in our

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Speaker 1: guest and what and we can talk Macha yes see

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Speaker 1: if they have any thoughts and our third see. We

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Speaker 1: are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined by an actor, comedian,

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Speaker 1: writer who's written for SpongeBob SquarePants, Shrill Fairview, who has

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Speaker 1: appeared on Viceland, performed just Everywhere, Just a truly hilarious

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Speaker 1: stand up comedian that I am very thrilled to have

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Speaker 1: on the show. It is the brilliant and talented Claire

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Speaker 1: Okane Macha life, living that mach of life right. I'm

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Speaker 1: actively drinking much right now? Are you really? I would

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Speaker 1: never lie to you. That's important to me, and I

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Speaker 1: believe you when you first said that. We clear that

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Speaker 1: we were talking before we got on about homemade versus store.

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Speaker 1: But I've been doing the store bought situation where I

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Speaker 1: to begin to matify my greens. Wouldn't whisk thing. I

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Speaker 1: the version of Kroger that we have in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: I got a little like whisk, like electric whisk thing

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Speaker 1: I did mention before we started recording that since recommending

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Speaker 1: it to you and be like, oh, Joel, you simply

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Speaker 1: must start living the match a life. It's so much

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Speaker 1: better for you. I have switched back to coffee. I

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Speaker 1: went to Guatemala for a couple of weeks, and no

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Speaker 1: I was like, where's the where do I get Where's

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Speaker 1: I got COVID. I don't hear about this. I don't

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Speaker 1: too stressful. Great matcha talk, everybody, Great match talk and

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Speaker 1: break something from your search history that you know, reveal

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Speaker 1: I love it though, all right, you're gonna you're gonna

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Speaker 1: take us through the search history overrated, underrated. First, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna tell the people a couple of the things

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Speaker 1: great resource that we can use for ourselves, we can

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Speaker 1: share with our family about what to do during a

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Speaker 1: which is just like, yeah, okay, so this is happening.

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Speaker 1: Here are our new overlords, would like you to meet them.

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Speaker 1: Here's a like profile of a bunch of uh anti

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Speaker 1: choice twenty two year olds that we think you might enjoy.

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Speaker 1: That was a New York Times piece. Um, and the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post has just some like helpful tips about like

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Speaker 1: what to do in a mass shooting that includes just

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Speaker 1: have time, it will be in I guess yesterday's trending.

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Speaker 1: But so Boris Johnson did, in fact resign, I don't.

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Speaker 1: because they still seem to have a functioning society, civilization.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not, I don't know. I don't think breakfast

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Speaker 1: I don't funk with blood sausage. However, I am not

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna also talk about Popeye is like, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This makes me feel sad that this

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Speaker 1: is a conversation all that plenty more. But first, Joel,

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Speaker 1: why don't you help us getting Now it's time to

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Speaker 1: learn about Claire, and we'll begin with your search history.

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Speaker 1: What's something from your search history that tells us about you, Claire. Recently,

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Speaker 1: I've been looking at pictures of scorpions and amber. You guys,

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Speaker 1: that's dope. That's dope. Make a new age Drassic Park

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Speaker 1: scorpio moon, and I definitely want to get a scorpion

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Speaker 1: like shadow inside of a moon. I don't think it's jacky,

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Speaker 1: respect it. Okay, I'm I'm looking at some scorpions and

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Speaker 1: neighbor tattoos and they are very cool. I am. I

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Speaker 1: I want to see Jack on a Harley, I'm ready

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Speaker 1: recycle Jack and bring it out. Oh god, Claire, was

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Speaker 1: something that you think is overrated? Purchasing clothes online? Oh

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Speaker 1: ding ding, Claire? Why overrated? I think the convenience is

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Speaker 1: just not worth it when it comes to you getting

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Speaker 1: Just go to the store to get your stuff. I agree.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll buy something super cute, but then I get

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Speaker 1: it and the feel is wrong. Like I bought this

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Speaker 1: I would remember made this purchase in a store. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it makes swishy sounds and I walk in it. But

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Speaker 1: I won't return anything because I have to go to

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Speaker 1: So if I buy something, I'm either keeping it or

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Speaker 1: I found a good will. It's not that far from

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Speaker 1: else can't use it. Was smart enough to go to

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Speaker 1: a store to purchase clothing that actually works for them?

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Speaker 1: What the first world problem? But like a nightmare of

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Speaker 1: a first world problem? Well, they I just should I

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Speaker 1: should say, they should just say what the clothes feel like?

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Speaker 1: When yeah, what do you feel like sleeping bag the

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Speaker 1: which nobody, nobody has a printer, right, like those those

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Speaker 1: for some place that has a a printer, then maybe

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Speaker 1: and it is like the idea of online shopping is

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Speaker 1: completely based around having a printer in most cases, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what? And it's fun because it's bizarre. I

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Speaker 1: love online shopping, like the actual act of And I'm

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Speaker 1: got it. This line particularly chilling. Just like children playing

426
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: sports learn to react quickly to a fast pitch or

427
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: a pass from a teammate, they can be taught how

428
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: to react in an emergency very vague. This is beyond emergency.

429
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 1: This is a mass shooting. Let's be very specific. And

430
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: so can adults, which is I don't want like Ford

431
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: shows to have to react to gunfire with like the

432
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: thought process of a marine. That's very disturbing to me. Yeah, yeah,

433
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 1: we want your kids, Like I need to start training

434
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: my four and six year old to react to gunfire

435
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: with just like stony, like dead eyed, like cool, they're

436
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: they're like in a mess. Shooting. Calm is a superpower.

437
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: So that's what I'll start telling my kids is that, like,

438
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: you know how like you like the superpower really people

439
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: can fly and do stuff like that. The real superpower

440
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: you want to develop is desensitization to mass shootings. Even

441
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: all those superheroes become super after some sort of perfect

442
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: traumatic avenge. Yeah yeah, this should be your origin story, baby.

443
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: And then so the part that like really made it,

444
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: like situated it within the logic of the police and

445
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: the police state that is has been pretty strong and

446
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: unshakable in American feels like it's using these opportunities to

447
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: get stronger. Is like up next is a FBI agent

448
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: they consold who says, one thing you have to realize

449
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: is no one knows how they're going to react or

450
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: respond when it happens to them. It is the most

451
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: average routine Monday moment of their day. And then gunmen

452
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: and mass shootings get more sophisticated over time, throwing more

453
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: advanced challenges that those trying to escape their lines of fire.

454
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: The Highland Park suspect, for instance, is alleged to have

455
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: taken a sniper's position from a rooftop on the parade route,

456
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: which gave him a tactical advantage. As a collective, we

457
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: underestimate the offender and the offender cohort every single day.

458
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that from the FBI. The

459
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: FBI ad it yet, so first of all, like, I

460
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: don't know that that's necessarily true, like the people I

461
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: don't know like that. That feels like them trying to

462
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: like that. That's what is particularly dispiriting is that they

463
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: are taking this narrative and rather than being like I

464
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like real fucked up there, Like yeah, see,

465
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: this is what we've been saying, and they're getting better

466
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: at it, so we need more power and like everybody

467
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: needs to be trained to evade the these like super

468
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: mass shooters. Like that is the the narrative that they're

469
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Speaker 1: going to try and put out there. And the Washington

470
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Post in the New York Times are just like so

471
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Speaker 1: wide open to what the funk ever the police want

472
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: to tell them, like they just report, report it without

473
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: without any questioning. There's no thought um on perspective. It

474
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Speaker 1: is the FBI's job to try to figure out, like

475
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: how would we keep people safe in the same way

476
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: that secret services responsibility, like how do we keep They're

477
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: not there to pass laws or specifically gun reform. So

478
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: I understand this line of thinking from someone in this

479
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: line of work, But then to s bee that at

480
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: people as though that is the ultimate answer to the

481
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: situation is chilling. I think petually because of the statement

482
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, if you haven't been shot at regularly, you

483
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: have no idea how you're going to respond. You might

484
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: freeze up, maybe you'd take off and like forget your

485
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: loved one. That has happened before, and just out of

486
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: natural fear so to to say you're gonna prepare. Nobody's

487
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: even these proud boys who are out here, you know,

488
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: trying to form the attacks and and thank goodness being

489
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: found out before anything happens, or or run into the

490
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: wrong crowd and get pushed back into their trucks or whatever.

491
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: Like they don't know for real, like what's going to happen.

492
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: They just have this idea of how they're going to respond.

493
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: So I I just this feels very much useless. It's

494
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Speaker 1: not going to be helpful to anyone, and real maybe

495
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: one or two people will be like brick wall, Okay,

496
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: where is one there? Go move? I just I just

497
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: think if you're going to be running on pure instinct,

498
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: if God forbid, you find yourself in one of these situations. Look,

499
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: did I repeatedly use my wife as a human shield

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Speaker 1: every time I heard a firecracker on July four? Like, yeah, maybe,

501
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: but that's instinct. We don't know how we're going to respond.

502
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: I think she gets it after some explaining, but yeah,

503
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: that's my truth. Yeah, and we respect that. If I

504
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: was particularly horrible for you guys this year, I've never

505
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: really had an issue with fireworks before, but this year.

506
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I have a dog who's terrified fireworks

507
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: and that put me a little bit on edge. And

508
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: I also live in a neighborhood where they'll pop off

509
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: fireworks till like four in the morning. But this year,

510
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: every time a firework went off, I was like jumped

511
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: a little. It was kind of upsetting. It only reminded

512
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: me of gunfire. I had none of the childlike joy

513
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: of like, oh, sparkly thing in the sky. I was

514
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: just like it turned very much into a squid where

515
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: I was like, cut it out and do not need

516
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: the bombs right now. In my neighborhood, they start setting

517
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: stuff off, you know, kind of the moment it becomes

518
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: seventy five degrees or or warmer, And so most of

519
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: the fireworks I only hear and I don't see. Those

520
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: freaked me out. And I too have a dog, nown

521
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: so I'm seeing it through her eyes, and she's seeing

522
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: red cheet so much, and I feel so bad for

523
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: her and everyone with PTSD from gunfire and all, which

524
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: is happening more and more so I don't Maybe we

525
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: do those drone fun drone light shows. Yeah, it concerns

526
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: me about urchechnical overlords and their ability to see everything.

527
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: But you gotta give a little and take a little,

528
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: you know. So then then the article switches to talk

529
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: about how to deal with the terror, and it's can

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00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: I tell you not great news either. They basically recommend

531
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: doing stuff that gives you the illusion of control while

532
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: basically acknowledging that it isn't helping. So like they interview

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00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: a psychologist and a psychiatrist. First of all, the section

534
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: is called find a sense of purpose and control, and

535
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: they're like writing two members of Congress, protesting, fundraising and

536
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: starting petitions. Are always that regular people can help to

537
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: harness their fear of daily life in a society where

538
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: violence and devastation regularly dominate headlines. Duffy said, this is

539
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: the psychiatrist. There's no reason to think this wouldn't happen again,

540
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: and brings people hope, oddly is to brainstorm about what

541
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: do you think we can do about it? I think

542
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: people like the idea that they could contribute somehow to

543
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: some kind of solutions, somehow to some kind of solution.

544
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: Those are marching orders, some weird existential marching orders. Find it,

545
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: find the energy within yourself in these dark days? Do

546
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: you be nice right to be to like politely reach

547
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: out to Congress members and protests in a way that

548
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: we the Washington Post will approve of and will not

549
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: claim was like worthy of arrest quote unquote violent. They

550
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: were so angry it was scary. Why are they being

551
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: like this? Throw some fundraising dinners for all your rich

552
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: friends and have them give you money to to do? What?

553
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: Have some celebrities sing a song? It will really invariate

554
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Congress to do something about it. I guess yeah. I

555
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: would like who ask people if you stop saying, unless

556
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: you're a Baptist choir, don't sing when tragedy happens. It's weird.

557
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: Don't do that. It's bizarre. You did it when Roevie

558
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: Wade got overturned and it was startling and strange. America

559
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: the beautiful, maybe not the time, not the place. I yeah,

560
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: I just this article just makes me feel like, Okay,

561
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's anything new here in the

562
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: the The suggestion to write a letter just really both.

563
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: If you can write a letter so good it would

564
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: make our government act on gun safety. Why haven't you

565
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: pended already? I don't want to making your fault. But

566
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: you knew you had this secret power all along, and

567
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: you should have been writing well, they suggest this writing

568
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: letters and like starting petitions. More, it's not as like

569
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: a thing that could feasibly have any impact. It's as

570
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: like a craft like crafting, Like crafting can be good

571
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: for dealing with stress. So the fact that it could

572
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: contribute somehow to some kind of solution is probably the

573
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: weakest least specific like commitment that one could make. I

574
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: feel like, but yeah, I don't know. This does feel

575
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: like a larger trend where like the mainstream media seems

576
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: to be rather than being like, all right, well, this

577
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: is a you know, an endpoint. Uh, this is like

578
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: a line that has been crossed and we now need

579
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: to like figure out what we do in this clearly

580
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: broken society, they have instead just like used the same voice,

581
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: the same tone, the same like mechanism for like getting

582
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: by in the world to just interview like the statistically

583
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: anomalous like group of anti choice like twenty something women

584
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: Like that was a big piece in the New York Times.

585
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: You know, worry about the safety of at Kavanaugh and

586
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: just give us tips for how to survive in a

587
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: fascist police state, like like become a police officer, basically

588
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: become all these articles on Trump supporters who had regrets

589
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: about it, and or Trump supporters who were like, why

590
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: doesn't my community like me anymore? I don't understand everyone's

591
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: so mean. Now, Yeah, we've really got to focus in

592
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: on who we're talking to and why in these situations.

593
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: And the thing is, I know that there are a

594
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: lot of journalists out there who are like I would

595
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: never have chosen to cover this story this way, but

596
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: my editors and probably the money people above them, decided

597
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: that this was the best angle to take, and I

598
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: just bring back local journalism, I guess. Yeah, I don't know.

599
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: The ultimate listical, I think I'm surprised I didn't put

600
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: that as one of the options of things that you

601
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: can do that could somehow offer some kind of solution, right,

602
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: the ultimate listical? The society to its foundations helpful? But yeah,

603
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think people still look to the

604
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: New York Times and the Wahington Post as like, well,

605
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: sometimes they're good, but like they're not helping us out

606
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: of this situation. It would appear they are the cement

607
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: that holds this situation in place, and we need to

608
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: figure out other options or read them and you know,

609
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: become like a sick operator who is like I ascertained

610
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: the individual assailant and by not underestimating the offender and

611
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: the offender cohort, that's the line. As a collective, we

612
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: underestimate the offender and the offender cohort every single day.

613
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: Like that is the moment I lost hope for anything

614
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: getting fixed in this country. Is like they just printed

615
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: an FBI agent thing that yeah, I'm decoding this article

616
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: and it's same by a gun. Yes, yes, exactly, Okay,

617
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: absolutely solution to the problem. They wouldn't say that, but

618
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: they do offer just like breathless accounts and like quotes

619
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: from somebody who offers both unarmed and armed defense tactical training,

620
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: so you know, and you know, say his name like

621
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: five times so you know you know where to reach out.

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00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back

623
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: and talk about Popeye and we're back and all right,

624
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: So it's barely been two weeks since the woke buzz

625
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: light Year movie scarred America with the scene in which

626
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: two women kissed for half a second. Some theaters actually

627
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: posted warnings in the lobby. I don't Joel. Did you

628
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: see the Buzz late year movie? No? It did badly,

629
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: which I had predicted. But I think people are like, well,

630
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: let's serves them right for not making it, serves them

631
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: right for choosing to expand a universe that should have

632
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: ended a movie ago. What are we doing? Disney Toy

633
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: Story was done and he had his adventure Buzz would

634
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: he grew up in a way that was profoundly written

635
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: and emotionally destabilizing. I I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with the

636
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: first three Toy Story movies. They are so perfectly done

637
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: and the story for you could take it back. I

638
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: don't need it, and I really truly definitely don't need

639
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: a fake movie within a cinema that we never saw

640
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Andy interact with dumb. Yeah. I also love Toy Story

641
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: four and did not care about this movie. I was

642
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: confused and remain confused as why it exists. But now

643
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: we're onto the next controversy or pop out of the

644
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: Sailor Man like they're trying to re redo the Popeye

645
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: comic strip, which, like, is, when was the last time

646
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: anybody read a newspaper comic strip? For reasons, other than

647
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: to be like, oh my god, they still make these,

648
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: but like what it's I can't It's like it has

649
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: to have been decades for you have to the Boondocks,

650
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: the animated show came out of a college paper news

651
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: strip that then got picked up nationally. So that's early

652
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: two thousands. And I do think that there's like the

653
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: very long running comic strips that have their fan base,

654
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: albeit a small one. But I from a pop culture perspective,

655
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's been in the quotes like guys

656
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: for a hot minute, right, So I feel like that

657
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: is what is happening here. I feel like the like

658
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: the people rebooting Popeye the Sailor Man have like made

659
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: a point to be like this is being updated for

660
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: a new, like inclusive storyline, probably with like some knowledge

661
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: that it was going to stir up controversy with like

662
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: Breitbart and Newsmax. Who are piste? Can I need this headline?

663
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Popeyes comic strip gets woke makeo for with more characters

664
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: who aren't heterosexual. Where are you a spinning at you?

665
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: A blue bluto has been a queer icon for years.

666
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: The ultimate Bear, right, Yes, I mean I am sexually

667
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: attracted to Blueto. For sure, everyone is sexually attracted to Bluto.

668
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean there has been no heterosexuality assigned to Popeye,

669
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: at least in my eyes. Well, and also if you

670
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: consider the history of comics, like some of the early

671
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: and specifically when it comes to like Sailors in the Navy,

672
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of homo erotic early sailor

673
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: cartoons from like the forties. This is the first I'm

674
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: hearing of this. I mean, no, no, no, okay, it's

675
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: like this. They're super popular even to this day, and

676
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: so I think to just again, they just want to

677
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: ignore queer history at all costs. They're like it's new,

678
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: and it's scary, and it's like it has literally been

679
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: around you your whole life, even when it was like

680
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: undercover or quote in the closet, it was still vital

681
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: and there. And so when these creators decide to acknowledge

682
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: these queer communities that have supported their content for decades,

683
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you can be upset about it.

684
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's been here now, someone's just saying

685
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: I see you and I acknowledge you. When we're just

686
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: not going to force it to be hidden anymore, and

687
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: they're like beside themselves about it. Get over it. Yeah. Previously,

688
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: Popeye cartoons have been full of racist character is, including

689
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: a nineteen one cartoon where a Popeye and his dad

690
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: battle savage dark skinned natives, which even included a joke

691
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: about slavery. So that is the the old, the classic

692
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Popeye that everybody who's complaining about this is like clinging to.

693
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: I guess of course Popeye was there. Like so some

694
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: people have pointed out Popeye was gender fluid and some

695
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: early strips, uh, donzo woman's clothes to act like a

696
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: child's mother. But it's like it is. At first, I

697
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's like a classic like comic or

698
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: like cartoon strips, but there's like a lot of there.

699
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: There's like one comic strip that I'm pretty sure this

700
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: is real that somebody reproduced where Popeye says and I quote,

701
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: don't you dare in cineric. I ain't been a good mother,

702
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: too sweepy. I've been more in a mother to him.

703
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: I am a perfect male sex mother. That's what I've been.

704
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: A father to him too. I've been even an aunt

705
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: and an uncle and a cousin cousing to I do

706
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: not understand what Popeye like mispronounces or like the logic

707
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: of his pronunciation. I got the ability to act like

708
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: both mother and father too. In think that's why I

709
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: am such a good parent. I am amphibious. So that's

710
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: very literally like, yeah, it's not just like you put

711
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: on a dress like full and infant who was crying,

712
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: which is like one of the first examples of somebody reproduced.

713
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: But it's like very much Popeye just being like I

714
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: am both a man and a woman and whatever, you know,

715
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: gender identity. I want so fun. Got the hips to

716
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: carry off a skirt too, Like the figure is really

717
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: banging in this outfit. I just want to say, the

718
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: apron is cute. I love it. I love that Popeye

719
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: was just this been uncomfortable with their gender fluidity. And

720
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I hope we see more of it, a lot more.

721
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: And I hope con he needs to piss people off

722
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: because y'all are stupid. I can't stupid. I can't particularly

723
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: with the amount of like transphobia, perreating I don't know

724
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: the entire universe right now, like it delights me to

725
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: make these people angry, get out of here. Yeah, that

726
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: also seems to be a thing that The New York

727
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Times has clung to as like, well, the reason that

728
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: conservatives are met at liberals is because of like transphobia

729
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: and because like liberals have been like too you know,

730
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: aggressive with their protection of like pronouns and stuff like that.

731
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, that that just we've been we've been talking

732
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: about it, like for a while, that there's just this

733
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: like anti trans rage that is like bubbling onto the

734
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: surface of the country and you can see it and

735
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: like obviously think all of us like the way that

736
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: they're coming, you know, it's a very clicheee, but like

737
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna come through one group and then immediately for

738
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: the next. And oh my gosh, there was the craziest

739
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: Twitter thread. Somebody had taken a photo of these turf

740
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: folks talking about how they're re analyzing all of their

741
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: past friendships and trying to figure out who was secretly

742
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: trans around them, and they're going based off things of

743
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: like she had broad shoulders because she must secretly not

744
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: be a biological woman, like what are you talking about?

745
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: And and then and then responding with and my friend

746
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: was so shocked and she won't admit it, just lying,

747
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: and it's like this is the most bananas thing I've

748
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: ever heard of, And the idea that anyone could control

749
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: gender or or create boundaries around gender completely baffles me.

750
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: Or the other thing we've been seeing a lots of

751
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: people like, oh, well, I don't like the word like menstruders,

752
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: or I don't like the phrase people who men straight.

753
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: But it's like people no matter what set of genitalia

754
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: they're born with, like if you're born with ovaries, doesn't

755
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: automatically mean you're ever going to opulate. It's not a

756
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: foregone conclusion. So then to make it so that the

757
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: only way to identify as a woman is based off

758
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: of whether you mentorate or not, like, please leave, please?

759
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: What does that say to like women who have had hysterectovies,

760
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: what does it say to trans state of trans ment? Like,

761
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's the most upsetting bananas things. I can't

762
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: even I can't. I'm so I got really angry on

763
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: this about this on Twitter the other day because it's

764
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: I just can't fathom telling somebody like, no, you're not

765
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: what you say you are, Like I, I just firmly

766
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: believe you cannot identify outside of these very strict rules

767
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: that have no basis in science, even though they cling

768
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: to science, like science says that's not true. You don't

769
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: know science, you're not a biologist. Leave like I just

770
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: uh we also just to put so much time and

771
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: energy into someone else's business, It's like this is nothing

772
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: to do with you. You're really trying to make something

773
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: happen for you. Do know what is your obsession with

774
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: anyone else's gender identity? Period? Like why do you clearly

775
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: you know you you're questioning something about yourself that scares

776
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: you always everybody within them? Are you so cling to

777
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: your ideology as the your definition of your gender? For example,

778
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: if you identify as a woman and you're like, no,

779
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: this I am a woman and this is the only

780
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: way to be a woman, and I'm not interested in

781
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: hearing any other viewpoints on womanhood. This is it. That

782
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: is the most close minded b as I've ever heard,

783
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: And particularly for Turfs who are a part of the

784
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: queer community, y'all make me the most angry. I'm not

785
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: even gonna lie. I can't deal with you because you

786
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: under you should understand inherently the spectrum of gender and

787
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: and to be to be a woman excludes other women?

788
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: Is it's file right? And I feel like the New

789
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: York Times, it's being like and because like taking that

790
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: position and being like this is where we lost to

791
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: the argument on row and it's it's just them trying

792
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: to redraw the battle lines so that it includes so

793
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: that because they can't exist in a world where like

794
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: the you know, democratic establishment and the corporate like media

795
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: establishment has just been proven to have completely failed, you know,

796
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: so now they have to like create this weird reality

797
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, actually it was the left that

798
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: went too far and that is why we are in

799
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: this situation. We definitely haven't been stone walling the process

800
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: of government for a decade now. Oh god, I can't

801
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: solid shout out to Popeye though. Glad you're out here

802
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: doing your thing, so you do it more. Yeah, I'm

803
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: just like, what what did Debra Messing fight for? You

804
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: know what? That is what I keep asking myself, do

805
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: you So this is like a follow up question. I

806
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: had this like weird, like kind of embarrassing thing happen

807
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: more is driving and I saw someone with a shirt

808
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: that said resist on it, and like I felt a

809
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: brief little flutter of like, oh, maybe like people are

810
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: starting some sort of social movement and I got closer

811
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: and I realized it was a Star Wars shirt and yeah,

812
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: and it maybe like I don't know, like and I

813
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast that was like analyzing like

814
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: the matrix is like cultural relevance and like the it's

815
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: used by both the left and the right, and I

816
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. We we live in such

817
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: like just a what is becoming more and more evidently

818
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: like just completely broken society where like there is a

819
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: bad guy. The bad guy is like its ultra wealthy,

820
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: like looks like a movie villain. There's a bunch of them.

821
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: The government is like just openly working only for corporations

822
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: and like that. But but we are more like there's

823
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: more conversation about like arguing over pop culture ship. I

824
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: feel like or at least like that. I feel like

825
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: pop culture has been channeling it for so long, and

826
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: like we've been rooting for the resistance and Star Wars

827
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: for so long and like haven't this is like the

828
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: ultimate old guy take even to worried about Star Wars

829
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: resistance and your resistance. Um, but I am like the

830
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: most guilty of this as well. But I'm just like,

831
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: oh yeah, what if resistance? But not in Star Wars.

832
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard. It's hard to feel like anything

833
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: will change at this point when activism itself has been commodified.

834
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: It's like we're all kind of preaching to the choir,

835
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: and that choir is making money off of us preaching,

836
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: and it's just, you know, a vicious circle. So it's like,

837
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: how do we how do we completely divorce ourselves from

838
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: all of those institutions entirely and truly make some sort

839
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,959
Speaker 1: of change, And it feels hard and impossible. The pop

840
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: culture is also the measure by which we've explored like

841
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: what is acceptable, you know, the boom of teenagers in

842
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: the sixties getting their own financial demographic that we can

843
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: actually track, and the teenagers spend a ton of money

844
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: and they tend to be a viewpoint of like where

845
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: is society going? And so when we track you know,

846
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: societal changes that way, it makes sense that we sort

847
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: of distilled it, you know, over the past I guess

848
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: now sixty years into like, oh, well, what's pop culture doing?

849
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: And it's interesting when we look at animation and cartoons

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Speaker 1: Max is picking up tampons for somebody, which is great.

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Speaker 1: I really love that we're including like girls frequently start

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Speaker 1: so to bring that into the shows that they're watching,

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Speaker 1: I think that's really brilliant. You know, people need to

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Speaker 1: see that. And there's a trans person talking about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: a complete meltdown over this, like what is this teaching children?

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Speaker 1: Like some men have periods, period like and it's it's

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Speaker 1: so I don't know, as somebody who's like very ingrained

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Speaker 1: lot of creators, I think it's interesting to say the least,

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Speaker 1: to watch people behind the scenes really pushed I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say agendas, but really make sure that folks

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Speaker 1: And to get children as early as possible, because you know,

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Speaker 1: some of them are really facing a lot of brainwashing

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Speaker 1: they're going to have to undo later, and I think

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Speaker 1: it is important to be able to see it in

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Speaker 1: pop culture so they can be like, oh, not everyone

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Speaker 1: thinks like my folks. Here's of course. I think. I

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Speaker 1: mostly think of like the insidious nature of the entertainment

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Speaker 1: industry itself, where they don't want to get in trouble

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Speaker 1: for seeing how they've been for the past hundred years,

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Speaker 1: which is exclusive and and all that. So I there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of me that's like, Okay, I kind

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Speaker 1: of see what you're doing here and with your insidious nature.

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Speaker 1: But then of course that's amazing that we get to

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Speaker 1: see these creators and these stories that we haven't seen before.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be helpful ultimately, and it's good that

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Speaker 1: they're feeling guilt enough that thing to make these pretty

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Speaker 1: drastic moves, right yeah. Yeah. And also I feel like

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Speaker 1: the benefit of capitalism is like that they the democratic

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Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to reach the most people because

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Speaker 1: that's the most profitable thing for them, right, and so

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Speaker 1: like they are by like the logic of the market

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Speaker 1: like being inclusive, which you know, not the best reason

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Speaker 1: to do it. But I do think that's at least

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Speaker 1: a benefit that we can see. I'll take it. I'll

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Speaker 1: take small steps small steps. Yeah, I guess I was.

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Speaker 1: I would differentiate between bay Max and a new Popeye

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Speaker 1: comic newspaper, comic strip reboot, which seems specifically designed to

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Speaker 1: be served up to the elderly, to be like face

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Speaker 1: get mad, so we can maybe get like a TV

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Speaker 1: But I guess that the thing that above to be

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Speaker 1: out the most and on this front was Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: pointing to serial commercials, this proof that America was headed

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Speaker 1: in the right direction, all these biracial families, look at us,

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Speaker 1: the future, the kids today, and I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 1: just like, look at the commercials, like, when was the

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Speaker 1: last time you saw that they wouldn't mean that's what

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Speaker 1: they want. On the one hand, I get it, like

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has lived a very long time and there

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Speaker 1: was a moment for many years of his life where

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Speaker 1: that wasn't visible. I understand. But at the same time, too,

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Speaker 1: for a politician to consider any kind of advertisement a

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Speaker 1: solution to actual people's problems, that's very disheartening. It's also

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Speaker 1: not his job. Yeah, yeah, alright, Claire. It has been

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Speaker 1: truly a pleasure having you on the daily Za Geist.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?

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Speaker 1: You can find me at Oh my god, I'm on

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Speaker 1: Twitter so rarely. I forget my own on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Claire Okine, Claire on Twitter at Claire is Okaine, on

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Speaker 1: Instagram Claire Okay dot com, probabier Claire Okane needs and

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Speaker 1: I'm doing my solo show at the Allegiance Theater on

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Speaker 1: August twenty that tim PM, come on out. It's about

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Speaker 1: grief and arn't amazing. Where's the Allegiance Theater is in?

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Speaker 1: I want to? I think they call it a frogtown. Okay, nice?

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Speaker 1: You know about it? And is there a tweet or

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Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of my friend Dan Macata's tweets.

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Speaker 1: You also former SNL writer writer for Joe Pere talks

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Speaker 1: with you the tweet of his that I think about

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Speaker 1: a lot of time. My grandpa was only okay at rapping,

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Speaker 1: but then he got hit by lightning yesterday and he

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Speaker 1: has gotten so good at rapping now because blows are

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Speaker 1: like if Eminem grew up and did Great depressing. So

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Speaker 1: that's calling the Great Depression. The Great depressing is really

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Speaker 1: funny to me and followed down lec Twitter dot com. Joel,

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What is a tweet or

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Speaker 1: work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me back. You can find me over at Comic

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Speaker 1: Con metapod. We have some dope episodes, including an entire

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Speaker 1: feature with Avatar The Last Airbender including the actors from

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Speaker 1: The Last Airbender and Cora and the creators of the show,

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Speaker 1: which is really cool. I was, of course outstick with

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Speaker 1: COVID when my icons were on, but Hector held it down.

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Speaker 1: It's a really dope episode, and we have a Marvel

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Speaker 1: themed episode this week which was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: So please go take a listen to that. Why can't

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Speaker 1: I find this tweet? I can go and then we

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Speaker 1: can come back to Yes, okay, you can find me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien and a tweet I've

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Speaker 1: been enjoying. I wouldn't enjoy a couple uh. Tim Kaczynski

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Speaker 1: at tom Uh. No one claim should have all that

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Speaker 1: chowder is fun. First person to shoot fish in a barrel.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe how easy this

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Speaker 1: two K tweeted, customers will say ship like, uh, it's

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Speaker 1: asking me to remove my card and I think I've

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Speaker 1: said that before. Also, klub Studman tweeted, what the inside

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Speaker 1: of my airpod's case looks like is between me and God?

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Speaker 1: And I feel that because it is. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how it happens. I don't I don't understand, but it

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Speaker 1: is not great. It's not good in there. Joel, have

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Speaker 1: you found a tweet or work of social media that

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Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? I have. This comes from at black

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Speaker 1: ass Feminists on Twitter. I'm sorry to Churst are having

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Speaker 1: such a difficult time right now. Have you all tried

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Speaker 1: building a personality around something other than your dehydrated ask Coucie,

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Speaker 1: it might help what to read? Yeah, it's the problem.

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Speaker 1: I also like to tweet from Claire. I'm in the

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Speaker 1: movie movie come out soon from yesterday. That trailer is

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Speaker 1: very funny. So it's like Daddy's home type, Yeah, dad

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Speaker 1: and step dad and uh there there are some really

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. Were

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Speaker 1: at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

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Speaker 1: fan page and a website daily zeitgeist dot com, where

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Speaker 1: we post our episodes on our foot no but were

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Speaker 1: we link off to the information that we talked about

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Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as a song that we think

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Speaker 1: you might enjoy. Super producer justin do you have one

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Speaker 1: for uh? I do? Seeing as how me and my

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Speaker 1: sister Joel Monique are moving on Saturday, I figured I

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Speaker 1: would play this recommend this song for you, guys. I

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Speaker 1: love Neil Soul and it's been doing really well over

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Speaker 1: in other countries, um, in Australia and in the UK.

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Speaker 1: And there's this band called Jungle that's got a song

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Speaker 1: called House in l A. It's a very dope track.

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Speaker 1: It's got so much space for the notes to breathe

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Speaker 1: and the falsetto vocals on it. They'll just send you

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Speaker 1: to another place. So check out this song and House

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Speaker 1: in l A by Jungle and you can find that

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Speaker 1: in the footnotes. Damn I thought you were gonna do

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Speaker 1: Moving Out by Billy Joel. That was a close second.

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Speaker 1: Also very cool song. All right. Well, the Daily is like, guys,

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us this morning. We're back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what it's trending, and we will

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