WEBVTT - Inside San Quentin

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, it's Gavin Newsom and today we have a

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable episode. We go behind the scenes, we go behind

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<v Speaker 1>the walls. We go in to death row at San

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<v Speaker 1>Quentin Prison. San Quentin Prison one of the most iconic

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<v Speaker 1>prisons anywhere in the world for one notable reason. It

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<v Speaker 1>has the largest death row in the Western Hemisphere. You

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<v Speaker 1>know the names from Scott Peterson, Richard Ramirez, the knight Stalker,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Manson even spent some time at San Quentin. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>go into death row for the first time since death

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<v Speaker 1>row has been shut down. Not the prisoners were released,

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<v Speaker 1>but death Row now is being converted into general prison population.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason we're at San Quentin is because of remarkable

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<v Speaker 1>reforms that are taking shape, focusing on public safety, focusing

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<v Speaker 1>on re entry, focusing on rehabilitation. We'll talk to incarcerated individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to the warden, We'll talk to guards. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about the history of Marshawn, whose

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<v Speaker 1>uncle was a guard in San Quentin Prison. I even run.

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<v Speaker 2>Into an old baseball teammate from Little League in the

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<v Speaker 2>yard at San Quentin. So come in join us behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes in this raw, unfiltered and real conversation about

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<v Speaker 2>life at Saint Quentin.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, what's hand in Man? You got Marshaw, Bisma Lynch.

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<v Speaker 1>Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politickets.

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<v Speaker 4>You're knowing to be you known to be guys. Good

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<v Speaker 4>to see you today.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going into San Quentin to learn more about this

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<v Speaker 5>place and what it's all about, and where.

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<v Speaker 6>They're going with movement and where they're going with the

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<v Speaker 6>programs they have, and just to kind of show everybody

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<v Speaker 6>what we're learning.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in the oldest and probably the most notorious prison

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States of America eighteen fifty two, the

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<v Speaker 2>largest death row in the Western hemisphere, and it's also

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<v Speaker 2>now the most notorious prison for reforms in America.

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<v Speaker 1>With something we call the California model.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years back, we said it course for a

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<v Speaker 2>new strategy and new approach to rehabilitation and also public safety.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to focus on the fact that ninety five percent,

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent of the folks that come here are released.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't end up here, they don't die here. Folks

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<v Speaker 2>that cycle through this system, we want them back home

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<v Speaker 2>as better neighbors because they're going to be your neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a public safety effort, a public safety

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<v Speaker 2>in issue to make sure people don't come back here.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reality is a recidivism rate, the number of

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<v Speaker 2>people that reoffend is off the charts if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get programs in prison. So the smartest thing we can do,

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<v Speaker 2>the toughest thing we can do on crime, is get

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<v Speaker 2>programs in prisons like this but at scale, and get

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<v Speaker 2>people hope that on the outside they can turn their

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<v Speaker 2>lives around and at the same time make our community

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<v Speaker 2>strong or more resilient, and say, so, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to see some of these programs.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to the prisoners directly.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to the warden who's.

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<v Speaker 7>A change agent.

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<v Speaker 2>A warden, by the way, who's had real lived experience

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<v Speaker 2>with family members.

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<v Speaker 1>His father was incarcerated.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh knows what he's talking about. One of the most

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<v Speaker 2>exciting in reform oriented wardens in America that happens to

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<v Speaker 2>be here at Saint Quentin.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we're gonna walk through death row.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna walk through death row that you name it

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<v Speaker 2>as some of the most notorious people, uh that have

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<v Speaker 2>spent the greater part of their lives have died in

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<v Speaker 2>death row, have a chance to see the old barbaric

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<v Speaker 2>gas chamber, uh and see the side of the last

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<v Speaker 2>lethal injection in California all today.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like you got a pretty full uh lineup today.

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<v Speaker 8>Huh And we got a lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>Brother.

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<v Speaker 5>You you ain't rolling with me, Marshaan Levenussen on politicket,

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<v Speaker 5>Come in your way, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't been on death row.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I've never been in the prison.

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<v Speaker 8>You've never been in the prison.

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<v Speaker 5>No, teckt.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm so excited for you. I'm actually excited for you

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<v Speaker 8>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of I'm actually happy and.

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<v Speaker 8>Excited for you.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean that, By the way, you can appreciate every

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<v Speaker 9>developer they want this. Every year during the budget we

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<v Speaker 9>have people with new proposals and how they'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care of tearing it down just to give it

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<v Speaker 2>to us for a dollar a year and we'll take

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<v Speaker 2>care of the product. This is the one everyone wants

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<v Speaker 2>because it's I mean, it's bren fucking County. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing, and you ferry service right up to the

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<v Speaker 2>new development. And it's massive land. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>literally some most valuable land anyone. You right on the

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<v Speaker 2>water man on point yeah, Richmond, Yeah, you appreciate.

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<v Speaker 8>It, but calified that goddamn text ship.

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<v Speaker 4>Look young to get Warton.

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<v Speaker 10>I gave you an opportunity so crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>This is no shawshake redemption with the shoot and tie

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<v Speaker 5>on the and the this is okay, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's by the way, eighteen what is eighteen fifty two?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the oldest prison that was when it was built,

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<v Speaker 2>was just designed to deal with the entire incarcerated population

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<v Speaker 2>for California, and then we went on to build another.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, so was this built before Alcatraz eighteen two?

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<v Speaker 2>How was Alcatraz now alcoltizer on much later?

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<v Speaker 8>Right?

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<v Speaker 10>State state prison, state prison, as the boss said, Now

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<v Speaker 10>we're kind of the lead lead marking this California model.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think first time here, first time, Oh, very exciting.

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<v Speaker 10>First time is the best time because I think we

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<v Speaker 10>get to change the perception of how people see some

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<v Speaker 10>of our prisons in California.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but doug Old, this is the main place from

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<v Speaker 2>a deferred maintenance perspective, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Struggles.

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<v Speaker 10>We wanted to welcome the right way.

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<v Speaker 4>I welcome to St. Quentin.

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<v Speaker 8>All feel comfortable. I'm very uncomfortable. That's too funny. Get

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<v Speaker 8>in here, man.

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<v Speaker 5>Funny how many inmates here currently?

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<v Speaker 2>Our account's about thirty four hundred thirty four hundred. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been hanging out with this guy for years now, and

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<v Speaker 2>every time.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm there he is. Man. I've been trying to get

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<v Speaker 8>him a son, some ship over everything above.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they's just everything by the book, everything by

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<v Speaker 2>the man.

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<v Speaker 3>He poked about a book, Yes, by the book. This

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<v Speaker 3>ain't a boy.

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<v Speaker 8>A book's got it, you know what for?

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<v Speaker 3>Just know their whole life trying to stay out of

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<v Speaker 3>this motherfucker, and you want to come in the.

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<v Speaker 8>Mother got maybe back. Showed me how fucked up in them?

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<v Speaker 8>You got to where everybody want to come out of it.

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<v Speaker 9>I had a free Sunday last Sunday and was hanging

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<v Speaker 9>out here.

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<v Speaker 4>Mar Sean checked this out.

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<v Speaker 8>You gotta come in here, man?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this you have it?

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<v Speaker 8>Opened?

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<v Speaker 4>Very got up for the dungeons.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time mar Sean has to check us out,

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<v Speaker 2>got to check us out.

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<v Speaker 10>This kind of sounderation of where we're going.

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<v Speaker 4>So this this is the dungeon.

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<v Speaker 8>This is what it used to look like.

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<v Speaker 10>The stuff people in here, No toilets.

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<v Speaker 4>Just walls.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why you think I would want to see it

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<v Speaker 3>because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know that it's just to see it, man, Marshaan.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I got all they got to get you a

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<v Speaker 3>real dumb I don't need.

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<v Speaker 8>No dose nine is worth gonna look at me.

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<v Speaker 3>You think about people in there shipping piss, understand can

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<v Speaker 3>get up. I'm just saying that ain't exciting to me.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, but it's important to understand the past so we

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<v Speaker 2>don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, we'll go into the San Quentin

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<v Speaker 1>yard where folks are getting a little bit of exercise

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<v Speaker 1>and taking a little time uh for themselves, including one

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<v Speaker 1>incarcerated individual, Reginald Thorpe, who is from Oakland, California, and

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<v Speaker 1>has been serving time for a murder conviction. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>incarcerated now some twenty six years. It's a conversation. I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought we'd have a raw and unfiltered way that

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<v Speaker 1>takes some twists in turns that make it a fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>look inside the prison at San Quentin.

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<v Speaker 7>Mm hmm, good, what's up man? Good to be back.

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<v Speaker 7>I told you I don't working. I'm not walking away

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 8>How you doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be great. What's happening?

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<v Speaker 8>We got a chase?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh god, nobody break the lines happen?

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<v Speaker 4>I had what's up with the.

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<v Speaker 8>East? Broke up?

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<v Speaker 3>Dealing honey selling honey.

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<v Speaker 4>Stand right now though? How Haggenberger is?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they just was mom and they just hit the

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<v Speaker 3>gas station right there by the way.

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<v Speaker 8>Where was that yesterday?

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<v Speaker 9>At the Shell gas station in Hagenberger?

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<v Speaker 4>Bro, you was the Shell.

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<v Speaker 8>I spend more time in opening than you do. My

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<v Speaker 8>You're just coming through there and doing a little pop

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<v Speaker 8>up camera. I wish I was the fourth time I've

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<v Speaker 8>been to that damn Shell.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we raised, going and raised. But don't trip

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<v Speaker 3>they You know why you can do that because they've

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<v Speaker 3>seen you with me, so they.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that. Though.

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<v Speaker 6>Bro, When I was a kid, I used to run

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<v Speaker 6>around in that area. I used to when they had

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<v Speaker 6>the castle and the Malibu over there.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't nowhere. When I'm old school, all that parking

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<v Speaker 4>lot and stuff, None.

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<v Speaker 8>Of that was a lot. Man.

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<v Speaker 6>I used to break into the coliseum to feed myself

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<v Speaker 6>during the eighth corn Dogs Hot Dogs Ship.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they take all the teams out of town

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<v Speaker 3>and then expect people to go to work.

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<v Speaker 6>We still got we got the we know you know,

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<v Speaker 6>we know how to we know how to put the

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<v Speaker 6>mix on.

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<v Speaker 8>Everything's ship.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, those stuff mag it is.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, what's your name name?

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<v Speaker 3>Broch know yeah, yeah, respect Berger.

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<v Speaker 8>What you was doing. We've done a lot on politics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even politics.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not even kidding by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>We've literally I'm after reading it's the most dangerous you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know this, Doug, the most dangerous gas station in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 8>I did read this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a shell station.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the last station before you go in and return

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<v Speaker 2>your rental car. And they were they, I mean, fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty robberies a day. And when I read about

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<v Speaker 2>this kid who had a backpack on and they dragged

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<v Speaker 2>the kid with the backpack on, this eight year old kid,

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<v Speaker 2>and pulled them out to rip the backpack on, that's when.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we sat the whole courtdor I mean the Hilton.

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<v Speaker 5>The Hilton's gone now the Oakland Hilton we lost.

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<v Speaker 4>How did he get like that? Though?

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<v Speaker 6>That's a go back years though that didn't just happen

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<v Speaker 6>over night. That's the system, the way that things was

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<v Speaker 6>designed over here, Like it's not enough money in Oakland

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<v Speaker 6>no more. They done all the people the way that

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<v Speaker 6>they get the property tax over there, they getting that

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<v Speaker 6>money and they not reinvestigated that pushed me out.

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<v Speaker 4>They not They not doing that no more.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember when I when I was a kid, I

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<v Speaker 6>used to be able to go to the recreation center.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't even have to worry about getting in trouble

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<v Speaker 6>or being in the streets. But now there's not no

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<v Speaker 6>resources there no more. They taking the money and they

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<v Speaker 6>holding on to it instead of putting it back in there.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like they want to put more money in the

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<v Speaker 6>law enforcement and lacking people up.

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<v Speaker 4>Rather than trying to find solutions to the problems. That's

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<v Speaker 4>really at the root of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of people out there home being storm

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<v Speaker 6>and then it's nothing for them to do.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, we'll try that minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, it's gotten so bad that we do have

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<v Speaker 1>to We got to put a lid on how bad

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<v Speaker 1>it's gotten. But when none of us have forgotten the

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<v Speaker 1>original centers, that relates for lack of investment, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening in parallel at unprecedented levels as well. To

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<v Speaker 1>reinvest back in the community.

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<v Speaker 6>One thing I know about openly as a child, openly

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<v Speaker 6>took care of me when my parents was using drugs

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<v Speaker 6>and stuff. When I went out in the streets, openly

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<v Speaker 6>took care of me. That's why I'm still right here

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<v Speaker 6>today because the city of Openly itself took care of

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<v Speaker 6>me despite all the bad stuff that was happening in

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<v Speaker 6>New York City. Openly took care of me when my.

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<v Speaker 4>Parents couldn't take care of me. Really, and we got

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<v Speaker 4>a spirit out there.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why Steph and Draymond and Clay when they went

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<v Speaker 6>to San Francisco, they didn't They wasn't feeling that because

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<v Speaker 6>they didn't have no say in that.

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<v Speaker 4>They wanted to stay in the town. There's like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Ain't my that ain't my choice. But they wanted they

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<v Speaker 6>loved the town. They wanted to stay out there. We

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<v Speaker 6>got a culture out here. We got a culture in

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<v Speaker 6>that spirity. Opening Acorna never died. No matter what they do,

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<v Speaker 6>no matter how many people they locked up, how many

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<v Speaker 6>police they put on the streets.

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<v Speaker 4>Always that's what it is. That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Look because you just explained some ship to him, like

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<v Speaker 3>will chopping it up. We kicked game because we politic

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<v Speaker 3>for our little uh for our podcast and hell of Ship,

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<v Speaker 3>I stopped politics.

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<v Speaker 8>But I'm saying, but.

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<v Speaker 3>What you just did that you just you feel me

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<v Speaker 3>the ism that you just gave, like that's the politi

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<v Speaker 3>and the feeling though away from his politics, but you

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<v Speaker 3>being able to explain something like that, you feel me

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<v Speaker 3>that shit is big. You feel me because motherfucking don't

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<v Speaker 3>hear it on that type of level. And then when

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<v Speaker 3>you hear it coming straight directly from you rather than

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<v Speaker 3>you looking at some numbers, all we got it because

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<v Speaker 3>it don't come like that. It come all the budget

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<v Speaker 3>this and we gotta do this and all the smart

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<v Speaker 3>ass all that other ship.

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<v Speaker 4>When you're hungry, that's.

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<v Speaker 8>What I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>But when you able to break it down to him

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<v Speaker 3>like that and tell them straight up, because the way

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, they go see it on that other level,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's all they looking at.

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<v Speaker 8>Do these numbers matter?

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<v Speaker 3>So when you talk about they taking money out of

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<v Speaker 3>the community and shit, they looking at Okay, well last

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<v Speaker 3>time we put in X, Y and Z for this project,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they looking at the project, what did that

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<v Speaker 3>project do? How much money did that project uh bring

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<v Speaker 3>in for us like Okay, well that didn't do right,

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<v Speaker 3>So fuck, were gonna take the money that we was

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<v Speaker 3>getting for this and we're gonna move it over here.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they're just moving shit around just to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>and try to see what's gonna work, what's gonna stick.

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<v Speaker 8>And one at the end of the day went.

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<v Speaker 6>About that one youngster who life They say that not

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<v Speaker 6>talking about that stopped from going in that story robbing

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<v Speaker 6>that that convenience store on uh On Haggenburger are coming

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<v Speaker 6>up in near hell of deep.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's how that's how you feel that they talk

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<v Speaker 4>about people going in there robbing and doing all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Talk about that one you that didn't decide to go

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<v Speaker 6>on that mission and going a different direction.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't talk about that that.

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<v Speaker 3>One young that one youngster ended up turning into that

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<v Speaker 3>youngster like me. And like you said, you from the deep,

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<v Speaker 3>you feel what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 8>From the north.

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<v Speaker 3>I lived on fifty fifth Field, so when I had

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<v Speaker 3>to go to school, I had to go all the

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<v Speaker 3>way through the east, all the way back to the

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<v Speaker 3>North and then to come back home.

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<v Speaker 8>So I know exactly what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>The hotels in the hotels and fifty five.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know, been in there getting active.

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<v Speaker 4>A whole lot of time.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'm not like not like this.

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<v Speaker 4>He used to when I was when I was still

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<v Speaker 4>doing my stuff. He used to be running around on

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<v Speaker 4>the level four yard chase around.

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<v Speaker 7>God Bro.

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<v Speaker 6>Like you know, I'm happy that we got a warding

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<v Speaker 6>like this, that know where people like myself came from.

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<v Speaker 4>Like he was on the line when I was on

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<v Speaker 4>the line actively doing hell of ship Bro.

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<v Speaker 6>He seen me grow up in CSB sacked and for

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<v Speaker 6>him to see me then up and up now to

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<v Speaker 6>who I am.

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<v Speaker 4>It speaks value we both put all taken.

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<v Speaker 8>Look what the you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>But what's what's so interesting about this conversation and mirrors?

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<v Speaker 2>But literally we were having exactly this conversation last week.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know, you give me ship for going

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<v Speaker 2>back for the fourth time to this that the place

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<v Speaker 2>without any cameras, each time, without any camera to make

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<v Speaker 2>the point, I'm going to keep coming back over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over again, and I've been doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, not the mayor of Oakland.

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<v Speaker 2>There's fourn in seventy six cities in California, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>There, and so we stepped up. We stepped up the

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<v Speaker 1>last six nine months.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will say it, but it's been out of control.

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<v Speaker 8>I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>But it takes out of control in the eighties, start

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<v Speaker 4>bringing cocaine.

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<v Speaker 9>In this, I get it.

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<v Speaker 8>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't I know, I can't make up for all

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<v Speaker 2>the macro, all the history. But I know I understand.

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<v Speaker 4>But what things really started to spend in the last few.

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<v Speaker 1>Years in particular, and so we have significantly stepped up

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<v Speaker 1>our investments.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point you're making is a difficult point. Right

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time we should be I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>get it, that sort of binary, this notion that okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just putting.

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<v Speaker 1>More cops on the street. That's bullshit, locking people up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not going to solve the problem versus addressing all

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<v Speaker 2>those systemic issues.

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<v Speaker 4>So for us, it's both, and it's both.

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<v Speaker 2>And but I got to do I've got to put

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<v Speaker 2>a lid on it because it's so bad now that

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<v Speaker 2>people people are leavish and droves, businesses, they're leaving, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just gotten to a point where no.

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<v Speaker 8>One is comfort.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just we've got we've been saturating with the HP

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<v Speaker 2>and others supporting local law enforcement. They're wildly understaff. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not doing any pursuits, they're not making it. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>prosecuting even people that are being arrested. And you've got folks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we had I had a member of my

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<v Speaker 2>staff listeners, a member of my staff with her daughter

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<v Speaker 2>and a gun was put to the kid's head in

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<v Speaker 2>the stroller to take the diapers. I mean, at what

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<v Speaker 2>point do I say, Okay, well, just that's the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff like That's that's where you draw the line

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<v Speaker 2>and there's got to be some accountability. So it's it's again,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't dismiss anything you're saying, quite the contract. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually praising what you're saying. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to express hopefully an understanding that we also

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<v Speaker 2>need to deal with the lawlessness at the moment and

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<v Speaker 2>put a lid on it, but without overcompensating going back

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<v Speaker 2>to the old days of overincarceration.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why we're here, man, that's the whole point.

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<v Speaker 4>We used to do with housing authority, used to pull

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<v Speaker 4>and then come back. That's all.

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<v Speaker 6>That's all the other to the Task Force Oakley Police

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<v Speaker 6>Department in Alameda County sheriffs or police. We will run

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<v Speaker 6>get away as soon as you as soon as you leave,

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<v Speaker 6>we come back out and do what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's it's like, Okay, I'm understand that you're trying

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<v Speaker 6>to just put this band aid on there, but really

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<v Speaker 6>that they ain't need triage. That need it needs some

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<v Speaker 6>real like somebody. And then a lot of the carns

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<v Speaker 6>that's happening in that area ain't even people from open

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<v Speaker 6>that's none. With the stuff that I saw, the cars

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<v Speaker 6>that I'll be saying, I'm old school.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of the people that got the ship beat out.

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<v Speaker 8>Of them, Bro, why did you bringing heat conversation?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, bro, you're about to get after after everything, and man,

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<v Speaker 4>we got this, so he don't even worry too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's we're also trying to address one hundred percent, right.

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<v Speaker 4>But the US, the people that was enforcing that, they

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<v Speaker 4>locked up.

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<v Speaker 8>They locked up right here.

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<v Speaker 4>Some year.

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<v Speaker 6>I hear the people that was enforcing that they've been

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<v Speaker 6>in prison for the last twenty twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 8>Well that's I mean, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>That brings us long winnedly to the actual why we're here,

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<v Speaker 2>which is part of this rehabilitation we're doing here the

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<v Speaker 2>new calib arder model, trying to scale this stuff. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>see it physically when that wall comes down. And the

0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.359
<v Speaker 2>work we're doing, and I don't know if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the work I've been doing for decades now on reforming

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<v Speaker 2>the damn system and investing in those alternative pathways.

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<v Speaker 4>So we address the sub process.

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<v Speaker 8>Who from that who who from the system?

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<v Speaker 3>That's that you're working with in order for it be

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<v Speaker 3>another lapse, because it's like every time it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we're trying to go and you know, rework the system

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<v Speaker 3>and change, But do y'all bring people that then come

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<v Speaker 3>from that ship who actually like no.

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<v Speaker 8>Change?

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<v Speaker 3>This is where this is why we continue to keep

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<v Speaker 3>running into that same when we get.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, what's what's this warden doing here?

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<v Speaker 8>Appoints the wardens. We're gonna figure it out. Don't find

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<v Speaker 8>these guys.

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<v Speaker 10>Their ideas come like we build us together, right, it's

0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.840
<v Speaker 10>a community. So when we get that input, we take

0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.080
<v Speaker 10>their ideas and invest so when they see something done,

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<v Speaker 10>we work together. That's one thing Stas in the population,

0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 10>we got more similarities and differences.

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<v Speaker 4>We all we all work here together.

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<v Speaker 3>So then how can y'all get that together and a

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<v Speaker 3>place like this, But then out in the free world

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<v Speaker 3>is running regular.

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<v Speaker 8>There's more structure in places like this. I get it

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<v Speaker 8>than it is actually yet you feel me though at

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<v Speaker 8>the house.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it just come to a point where when

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<v Speaker 3>from my my understanding, my respect, when I see somebody

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<v Speaker 3>come out, uh, come home from doing like fifteen or something,

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<v Speaker 3>when they get back into the you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the new world, they out of touch with everything.

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<v Speaker 8>You feel what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>And now because the individuals who've been outside, these little

0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:57.439
<v Speaker 3>young motherfuckers, they on.

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<v Speaker 8>Some other ship.

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<v Speaker 3>So when somebody come home and they trying to enforce

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<v Speaker 3>what was you know, I mean, how we even establish

0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.240
<v Speaker 3>this foundation for our neighborhood or what's going on. Ain't

0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.320
<v Speaker 3>nobody trying to hear that shit anyway. So it's always

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.399
<v Speaker 3>a disconnect. But at the end of the day, the

0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.960
<v Speaker 3>same system in which we still have and that is

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<v Speaker 3>still rocking right now, is the same one that we

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<v Speaker 3>just continue to just go around and circles with.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, the thing that we ain't talking about is everybody

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<v Speaker 8>know that this shit is a big business.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean, why the fuck if I'm getting billions,

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<v Speaker 3>why the fuck would I want to go change the

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<v Speaker 3>system that's gonna continue to keep feeding my pockets.

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<v Speaker 8>Now you get individuals who.

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<v Speaker 3>Got a respectful mind and a decent heart, like yourself,

0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:44.080
<v Speaker 3>and you come in here and you're like, damn, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to change, and then it's gonna come to a

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<v Speaker 3>point where you're gonna be like, well, fuck, I donet

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<v Speaker 3>hit my ceiling with these individuals.

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<v Speaker 8>They not letting me get no, because if we do that,

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<v Speaker 8>it's gonna create real change.

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<v Speaker 3>But that real change is gonna hurt somebody, real change

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to the higher repts and where all

0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.080
<v Speaker 3>his money is going and how all this shit is

0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 3>funneled around though, because we all had look, we all

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.040
<v Speaker 3>like he say something to it, like you know what,

0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 3>motherfuckers always talk about what they're doing, how they need

0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:14.240
<v Speaker 3>to do this, and how they need to do that,

0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.360
<v Speaker 3>and it's like, motherfucker, I would love to see them.

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<v Speaker 8>You give them this position and let's see what they'll do.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you. But it's not that shit hard though. But man.

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<v Speaker 6>Gatherings been in the position since he was the mere

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<v Speaker 6>San Francisco, and I don't know what he was doing

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<v Speaker 6>before that. He was already gathering his support network like

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<v Speaker 6>he he gathering, right.

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<v Speaker 4>But he have people that support him there, Yeah, for sure.

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.159
<v Speaker 6>Be able to where he could rely on them to

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<v Speaker 6>take care of shit that he can't see or do

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:45.560
<v Speaker 6>because he got other things.

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.120
<v Speaker 4>And by him having that support network, it allows him

0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.040
<v Speaker 4>to elevate and elevate for like twenty twenty eight. Right,

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 4>he's still.

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<v Speaker 6>Dealing with what we got going on in California, like

0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.840
<v Speaker 6>on a higher level. That's gonna that's gonna paying itself out.

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<v Speaker 6>Hopefully we don't get some body that that's a dictator.

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<v Speaker 8>And but he gonna for me in the mix.

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<v Speaker 4>You run the mayor of Oakland's bitching about what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 8>You should be.

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 4>Running for what he said, and and and fab is

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<v Speaker 4>your vice mayor.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, don't go turn this Ben, tell me in the

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.960
<v Speaker 3>office you talking about you coming to Oakland four.

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<v Speaker 4>Time just in the last look your last guy awake,

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.200
<v Speaker 4>Look time on you man go down.

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 3>To city hall telling hey, look, hey, you see I

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<v Speaker 3>got my big ass bag outside.

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 8>Tell you I got that we're finla take my big

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<v Speaker 8>ass bag and get the bags.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm sad about Oakland though, bro, Like I'm really

0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 6>like every time I watched the news.

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:56.719
<v Speaker 4>My heart to just go out to my city. Bro

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.199
<v Speaker 4>Open took care of me as a child. I went

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<v Speaker 4>to MacArthur.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 6>I went to all down near every elementary school in

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 6>East Oakley because my parents when they was using drugs,

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 6>they drug and.

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<v Speaker 4>So all through Oakland. So I went to all the schools.

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, look at history of Black Panthers, Bill Russell, Yeah,

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 5>I mean, Ricky Henderson, everybody, I mean every I mean

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.119
<v Speaker 5>it was unbelievable terms the history of Oakland.

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's why Draymond played, and and Steph wanted to

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:25.919
<v Speaker 4>stay right.

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<v Speaker 6>They then when they started they little legacy with the

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 6>Golden State Warriors.

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:34.680
<v Speaker 4>That energy that we had and developed into town, that

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 4>was with him. That's what got we just talked to Draymond.

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 5>Draymond said that when he came to Oakland, he fell

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 5>home because reminded him of Detroit.

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.640
<v Speaker 6>He was he was one decision away from not being

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 6>in your like me. Yep, he was one choice away.

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 6>I just I made the wrong choice.

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<v Speaker 4>Draymond made the right choice and he went and played

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:54.120
<v Speaker 4>college from Mischigan State.

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 5>Would you play?

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 4>I didn't play anything. I was in the streets. I

0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:58.920
<v Speaker 4>didn't even I was trying to find me something.

0:24:58.920 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 5>What would you would you play?

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<v Speaker 4>I probably I wouldn't have paid no sports. Okay, Now

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm more.

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<v Speaker 8>I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Since I've been incarcer ready to rehabilitation. I found that

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.120
<v Speaker 4>I got a serious passion for mathematics.

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 8>I love math.

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.400
<v Speaker 6>I love numbers because numbers don't lie how long you've

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 6>been in your work.

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 4>I didn't even at this institute for five years?

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 5>What about overall?

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Twenty six years?

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 5>Twenty se okay, and when you're getting out, I.

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 4>Don't have no idea, no idea.

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 8>Okay.

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 6>I should have been going in March, but they said

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 6>because some confidential information that was putting my seafoul, the

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 6>board determined that I didn't follow the parole boards of recommendations,

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 6>and they told me, I gotta wait until twenty twenty.

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 5>Is it heard to battle through daily not knowing there's

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:39.199
<v Speaker 5>no end date?

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>And is your family this your family?

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 5>Here? Is your family?

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 6>Come visit The reason why it's not hard because it's

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 6>consequences for choices. And I made a decision to take

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 6>somebody life, And in California, the consequence for taking somebody

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 6>life and getting found guilty of murder is spending the

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 6>rest of your life in prison, So I'm not I

0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 6>regret what I did, and I understand that it's a

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 6>possibility I could die in here because I took somebody's life,

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:04.439
<v Speaker 6>so I.

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 4>Deal with that in a way according to the law.

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 4>But however, I am optimistic. I believe that I made

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 4>the change and the transformation to go back and be

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 4>a productive member mean us what it's all about.

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.879
<v Speaker 5>And I appreciate you getting involved in mathematics and doing that, man,

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 5>because being in there, no no and day, but you

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 5>doing what you're doing.

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 8>It's big.

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.639
<v Speaker 4>A lot of these young people that don't have no

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:27.879
<v Speaker 4>education that's trying to.

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 6>Get they GEDs, and even the ones that's in college,

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:31.640
<v Speaker 6>they struggle with math.

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 4>The math, it seemed like it's the most difficult subject.

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 6>And through my rehabilitation, I found that I was passionate

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 6>about doing math when I was young men and.

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.360
<v Speaker 4>I said, you know what, REGI, I said, what did

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 4>you like.

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 6>To do before you start committing crimes, before you start

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 6>being bad? I realized I like doing math, and I

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 6>was like, you know what, I'm about to hone back

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 6>in on that, and I started going to college.

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.680
<v Speaker 4>I've made it all the way to calculus.

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 6>Too, there's been some times where I've been at the

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 6>only African American that institutions.

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 4>That was taking uh oculus.

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 5>And actually, so that's just one of the are you

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 5>mentioned some of these young kids the same plan.

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 6>Math whenever they need help, I'm available, okay, and people

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 6>tell them like, hey man, he pretty good with math.

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.680
<v Speaker 4>If you need some help. I'm hoping to help anybody

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 4>with man. I love math.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 1>It's good, but it's taking advantage of the programming.

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 8>And I'll tell you what I mean.

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Just in back to Marshawn joining me a little bit.

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh, as the guy who ultimately decides whatever the pro

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>board does doesn't matter unless the governor signs off on it.

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>All that programming, you have no idea how determined of

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>that is and how critical that is. And you stack

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.640
<v Speaker 2>that stuff up because there's so many folks that are wabblers.

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll send back they call us en banc or we'll

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 1>just reject if you.

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't see that programming in there, and you get medium

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 2>to high risk. Uh you know, I mean those are

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>the folks that are being sent back. So what you're

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 2>doing is profoundly consequential in terms of stacking Uh. That

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of court for yourself long term, and then you

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 2>just got to get through that first.

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Hurdle with the name do come across the board. You

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 3>feel me, you got you got a resume.

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 6>Did. I needed to do some healing up here, like

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 6>I was really hurt. Like I went through a lot

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 6>of trauma growing up and opened myself. I went through

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 6>right and in order for me to change and transform, Bro,

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 6>I had to heal myself.

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 4>And through these self help groups and having the support networking.

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 6>Here, Bro, they help you heal, because if you don't

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 6>heal yourself, BRO, you ain't gonna be No, you can't

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:33.679
<v Speaker 6>help nobody.

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 4>You can't help nobody.

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 3>But it's crazy that you even say that, because the

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 3>last time we just chopped it up with a ship

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 3>talk about Draymond. We just chopped it up with him,

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 3>and Doug was talking about when he went UH and

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 3>tried what's that ship called.

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 8>Therapy therapy.

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 3>He went through therapy for the first time, and like

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 3>you feel me, he it was shit going on that

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 3>he didn't even know, you know, that was happening with him,

0:28:58.000 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of it is that trauma that you

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 3>you you you gather while you were UH, while you

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 3>are youngster though, so by even you saying that, because

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 3>we were just talking about it on the way over

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 3>here about the uh about like you know, when people

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 3>come in to prison, coming to jail, you know what

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, supposed to be an opportunity for you to

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, uh, rehability, rehabilitate yourself.

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 8>Right. But I'm like, man, at the end of the day,

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 8>what the fuck y'all? Like, what really be going on?

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Like how much help do motherfuckers really get? Like if

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 3>it is like some shit that is needed, how do

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:31.959
<v Speaker 3>you get that? You feel me, how do you get

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 3>that in here? For when if motherfucker do get a

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 3>date or be able to go ahead to stack the

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 3>support that you talking about in order for when you

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 3>go to the parole board, motherfucker look at that and

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 3>it's you ain't just looking at a sheet of Oh well,

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 3>this motherfucker was in here for murder, Aron Robberds all

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 3>the shit.

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 8>But this is what the and this is the steps

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 8>that this individual.

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 3>Took in order to rehabilitate itself in order to get

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 3>up out of here. Yeah, but it just look I

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 3>don't know, to me, it just seemed like a hunup,

0:29:58.000 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 3>like like I'll tell you, you know, i'd come in here,

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 3>visit my pops and ship like you know when you

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 3>talk about all right, we're gonna go in here, like nah,

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 3>I kind of don't, like, you know, I understand I'm

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 3>trying not to go into jail and you trying to

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 3>go in the motherfucker just sit down and chop it

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 3>up like fuck. But I get it, and I mean,

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's really good, you know what I mean,

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 3>especially for myself to see this, but then you know

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 3>what I mean for you, you know, we come around

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 3>and see what's going on.

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 8>And ship like.

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 3>It's some good ship that you feel me though, that

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 3>you possibly can do. I just hope that you take

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 3>the information that you know that they're given and you

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, come up with something better. I'm

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 3>talking about overall, like not just here, but whole system.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 8>And you, the motherfucking president, why you just changed it right?

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 8>The ship up.

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I wish we could just snap our fingers war, but no, no,

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>but the whole idea of San Quentin's become the model

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 2>rehabilitation president in the United States of America, and then

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>we spread it throughout the rest of the system. So

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>everything that happens behind that wall will determine that.

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 8>No, bullshit, that's what it is.

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Literally, it's almost verbato the ship you were saying

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 2>about Opha.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 8>It's so interesting to think about it.

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>He hasn't been outside, but he feels it nonetheless. But

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying it's the same shit. Yeah, yeah, See I

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 3>was going in the eighties. He was running around in

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 3>the eighties. But the fact that the same shit was

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 3>going deep, that's what I'm saying. God, that system shit. No,

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 3>I got to get that system and whatever it was

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<v Speaker 3>designed to do. The keepers fucking shitty and locked up

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<v Speaker 3>in places like this, They designed a hell of a system.

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<v Speaker 3>Because think about it for twenty years, it's still the

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<v Speaker 3>same shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get into that conversation because I can

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<v Speaker 2>give you chapter and verse on that deeper. You do

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<v Speaker 2>not understand how spot on you are about that. I met,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet I would give you some.

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<v Speaker 8>Prequel, and I don't think it's crazy. One system though,