1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Gavin Newsom and today we have a 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: remarkable episode. We go behind the scenes, we go behind 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: the walls. We go in to death row at San 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Quentin Prison. San Quentin Prison one of the most iconic 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: prisons anywhere in the world for one notable reason. It 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: has the largest death row in the Western Hemisphere. You 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: know the names from Scott Peterson, Richard Ramirez, the knight Stalker, 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Charles Manson even spent some time at San Quentin. We'll 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: go into death row for the first time since death 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: row has been shut down. Not the prisoners were released, 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: but death Row now is being converted into general prison population. 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: The reason we're at San Quentin is because of remarkable 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: reforms that are taking shape, focusing on public safety, focusing 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: on re entry, focusing on rehabilitation. We'll talk to incarcerated individuals, 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: We'll talk to the warden, We'll talk to guards. We'll 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the history of Marshawn, whose 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: uncle was a guard in San Quentin Prison. I even run. 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: Into an old baseball teammate from Little League in the 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: yard at San Quentin. So come in join us behind 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 2: the scenes in this raw, unfiltered and real conversation about 21 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: life at Saint Quentin. 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: Man, what's hand in Man? You got Marshaw, Bisma Lynch. 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politickets. 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: You're knowing to be you known to be guys. Good 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: to see you today. 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 5: We're going into San Quentin to learn more about this 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 5: place and what it's all about, and where. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 6: They're going with movement and where they're going with the 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 6: programs they have, and just to kind of show everybody 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 6: what we're learning. 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: We're in the oldest and probably the most notorious prison 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: in the United States of America eighteen fifty two, the 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: largest death row in the Western hemisphere, and it's also 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: now the most notorious prison for reforms in America. 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: With something we call the California model. 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: A few years back, we said it course for a 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: new strategy and new approach to rehabilitation and also public safety. 38 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: We want to focus on the fact that ninety five percent, 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the folks that come here are released. 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: They don't end up here, they don't die here. Folks 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: that cycle through this system, we want them back home 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: as better neighbors because they're going to be your neighbors. 43 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 2: So this is a public safety effort, a public safety 44 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: in issue to make sure people don't come back here. 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 2: And the reality is a recidivism rate, the number of 46 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: people that reoffend is off the charts if you don't 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: get programs in prison. So the smartest thing we can do, 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: the toughest thing we can do on crime, is get 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: programs in prisons like this but at scale, and get 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: people hope that on the outside they can turn their 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: lives around and at the same time make our community 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: strong or more resilient, and say, so, we're gonna have 53 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: a chance to see some of these programs. 54 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: Talk to the prisoners directly. 55 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: Talk to the warden who's. 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 7: A change agent. 57 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: A warden, by the way, who's had real lived experience 58 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: with family members. 59 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: His father was incarcerated. 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: Uh knows what he's talking about. One of the most 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: exciting in reform oriented wardens in America that happens to 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: be here at Saint Quentin. 63 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 4: And then we're gonna walk through death row. 64 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: We're gonna walk through death row that you name it 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: as some of the most notorious people, uh that have 66 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: spent the greater part of their lives have died in 67 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: death row, have a chance to see the old barbaric 68 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: gas chamber, uh and see the side of the last 69 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: lethal injection in California all today. 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: Sounds like you got a pretty full uh lineup today. 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 8: Huh And we got a lineup. 72 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: Brother. 73 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 5: You you ain't rolling with me, Marshaan Levenussen on politicket, 74 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 5: Come in your way, dude. 75 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: You haven't been on death row. 76 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 5: No, I've never been in the prison. 77 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 8: You've never been in the prison. 78 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 5: No, teckt. 79 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 8: I'm so excited for you. I'm actually excited for you 80 00:03:59,040 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 8: like that. 81 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: That's kind of I'm actually happy and. 82 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 8: Excited for you. 83 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 9: I mean that, By the way, you can appreciate every 84 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 9: developer they want this. Every year during the budget we 85 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 9: have people with new proposals and how they'll. 86 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: Take care of tearing it down just to give it 87 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: to us for a dollar a year and we'll take 88 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: care of the product. This is the one everyone wants 89 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: because it's I mean, it's bren fucking County. It's the 90 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: whole thing, and you ferry service right up to the 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: new development. And it's massive land. I mean, this is 92 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: literally some most valuable land anyone. You right on the 93 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: water man on point yeah, Richmond, Yeah, you appreciate. 94 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 8: It, but calified that goddamn text ship. 95 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 4: Look young to get Warton. 96 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 10: I gave you an opportunity so crazy. 97 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 5: This is no shawshake redemption with the shoot and tie 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 5: on the and the this is okay, but. 99 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: It's by the way, eighteen what is eighteen fifty two? 100 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: It's the oldest prison that was when it was built, 101 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: was just designed to deal with the entire incarcerated population 102 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: for California, and then we went on to build another. 103 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 5: Well, so was this built before Alcatraz eighteen two? 104 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: How was Alcatraz now alcoltizer on much later? 105 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 8: Right? 106 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 10: State state prison, state prison, as the boss said, Now 107 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 10: we're kind of the lead lead marking this California model. 108 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 10: So I think first time here, first time, Oh, very exciting. 109 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 10: First time is the best time because I think we 110 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 10: get to change the perception of how people see some 111 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 10: of our prisons in California. 112 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but doug Old, this is the main place from 113 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: a deferred maintenance perspective, et cetera. 114 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: Struggles. 115 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 10: We wanted to welcome the right way. 116 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 4: I welcome to St. Quentin. 117 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 8: All feel comfortable. I'm very uncomfortable. That's too funny. Get 118 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 8: in here, man. 119 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 5: Funny how many inmates here currently? 120 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: Our account's about thirty four hundred thirty four hundred. I've 121 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: been hanging out with this guy for years now, and 122 00:05:59,279 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: every time. 123 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 8: I'm there he is. Man. I've been trying to get 124 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 8: him a son, some ship over everything above. 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: You know, they's just everything by the book, everything by 126 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: the man. 127 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: He poked about a book, Yes, by the book. This 128 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: ain't a boy. 129 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 8: A book's got it, you know what for? 130 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: Just know their whole life trying to stay out of 131 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: this motherfucker, and you want to come in the. 132 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 8: Mother got maybe back. Showed me how fucked up in them? 133 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 8: You got to where everybody want to come out of it. 134 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 9: I had a free Sunday last Sunday and was hanging 135 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 9: out here. 136 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: Mar Sean checked this out. 137 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 8: You gotta come in here, man? 138 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: Is this you have it? 139 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 8: Opened? 140 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: Very got up for the dungeons. 141 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: I don't. 142 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 4: I can't get it. 143 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: By the time mar Sean has to check us out, 144 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: got to check us out. 145 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 10: This kind of sounderation of where we're going. 146 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: So this this is the dungeon. 147 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 8: This is what it used to look like. 148 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 10: The stuff people in here, No toilets. 149 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 4: Just walls. 150 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, why you think I would want to see it 151 00:06:58,760 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: because you. 152 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: Didn't know that it's just to see it, man, Marshaan. 153 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: Man, I got all they got to get you a 154 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: real dumb I don't need. 155 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 8: No dose nine is worth gonna look at me. 156 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: You think about people in there shipping piss, understand can 157 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: get up. I'm just saying that ain't exciting to me. 158 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 6: Man. 159 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: Oh, but it's important to understand the past so we 160 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: don't repeat the mistakes of the past. 161 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll go into the San Quentin 162 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: yard where folks are getting a little bit of exercise 163 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: and taking a little time uh for themselves, including one 164 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: incarcerated individual, Reginald Thorpe, who is from Oakland, California, and 165 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: has been serving time for a murder conviction. He's been 166 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: incarcerated now some twenty six years. It's a conversation. I 167 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: never thought we'd have a raw and unfiltered way that 168 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: takes some twists in turns that make it a fascinating 169 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: look inside the prison at San Quentin. 170 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 7: Mm hmm, good, what's up man? Good to be back. 171 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 7: I told you I don't working. I'm not walking away 172 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 7: a lot of work. 173 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 8: How you doing. 174 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: I'll be great. What's happening? 175 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 8: We got a chase? 176 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 6: Oh god, nobody break the lines happen? 177 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 4: I had what's up with the. 178 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 8: East? Broke up? 179 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: Dealing honey selling honey. 180 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 4: Stand right now though? How Haggenberger is? 181 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, they just was mom and they just hit the 182 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: gas station right there by the way. 183 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 8: Where was that yesterday? 184 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 9: At the Shell gas station in Hagenberger? 185 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 4: Bro, you was the Shell. 186 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 8: I spend more time in opening than you do. My 187 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 8: You're just coming through there and doing a little pop 188 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 8: up camera. I wish I was the fourth time I've 189 00:08:58,679 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 8: been to that damn Shell. 190 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 3: That's what we raised, going and raised. But don't trip 191 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 3: they You know why you can do that because they've 192 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: seen you with me, so they. 193 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: Like that. Though. 194 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 6: Bro, When I was a kid, I used to run 195 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 6: around in that area. I used to when they had 196 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 6: the castle and the Malibu over there. 197 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: It wasn't nowhere. When I'm old school, all that parking 198 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 4: lot and stuff, None. 199 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 8: Of that was a lot. Man. 200 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 6: I used to break into the coliseum to feed myself 201 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 6: during the eighth corn Dogs Hot Dogs Ship. 202 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: And then they take all the teams out of town 203 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: and then expect people to go to work. 204 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 6: We still got we got the we know you know, 205 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 6: we know how to we know how to put the 206 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 6: mix on. 207 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 8: Everything's ship. 208 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, those stuff mag it is. 209 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 8: Yeah, what's your name name? 210 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: Broch know yeah, yeah, respect Berger. 211 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 8: What you was doing. We've done a lot on politics. 212 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: It's not even politics. 213 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 8: I'm not even kidding by the way. 214 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: We've literally I'm after reading it's the most dangerous you 215 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: don't know this, Doug, the most dangerous gas station in 216 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: the United States of America. 217 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 8: I did read this. 218 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: It's a shell station. 219 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: It's the last station before you go in and return 220 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: your rental car. And they were they, I mean, fifteen 221 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 2: to twenty robberies a day. And when I read about 222 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: this kid who had a backpack on and they dragged 223 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: the kid with the backpack on, this eight year old kid, 224 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: and pulled them out to rip the backpack on, that's when. 225 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we sat the whole courtdor I mean the Hilton. 226 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 5: The Hilton's gone now the Oakland Hilton we lost. 227 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 4: How did he get like that? Though? 228 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 6: That's a go back years though that didn't just happen 229 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 6: over night. That's the system, the way that things was 230 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 6: designed over here, Like it's not enough money in Oakland 231 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 6: no more. They done all the people the way that 232 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 6: they get the property tax over there, they getting that 233 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 6: money and they not reinvestigated that pushed me out. 234 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 4: They not They not doing that no more. 235 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 6: I remember when I when I was a kid, I 236 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 6: used to be able to go to the recreation center. 237 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 6: I didn't even have to worry about getting in trouble 238 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 6: or being in the streets. But now there's not no 239 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 6: resources there no more. They taking the money and they 240 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 6: holding on to it instead of putting it back in there. 241 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 6: It's like they want to put more money in the 242 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 6: law enforcement and lacking people up. 243 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: Rather than trying to find solutions to the problems. That's 244 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: really at the root of that stuff. 245 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 6: There's a lot of people out there home being storm 246 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 6: and then it's nothing for them to do. 247 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 8: Well, we'll try that minutes. 248 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: Right now, it's gotten so bad that we do have 249 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: to We got to put a lid on how bad 250 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: it's gotten. But when none of us have forgotten the 251 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: original centers, that relates for lack of investment, and so 252 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: that's happening in parallel at unprecedented levels as well. To 253 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: reinvest back in the community. 254 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 6: One thing I know about openly as a child, openly 255 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 6: took care of me when my parents was using drugs 256 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 6: and stuff. When I went out in the streets, openly 257 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 6: took care of me. That's why I'm still right here 258 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 6: today because the city of Openly itself took care of 259 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 6: me despite all the bad stuff that was happening in 260 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 6: New York City. Openly took care of me when my. 261 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 4: Parents couldn't take care of me. Really, and we got 262 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: a spirit out there. 263 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 6: That's why Steph and Draymond and Clay when they went 264 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 6: to San Francisco, they didn't They wasn't feeling that because 265 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 6: they didn't have no say in that. 266 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 4: They wanted to stay in the town. There's like that. 267 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 6: Ain't my that ain't my choice. But they wanted they 268 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 6: loved the town. They wanted to stay out there. We 269 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 6: got a culture out here. We got a culture in 270 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 6: that spirity. Opening Acorna never died. No matter what they do, 271 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 6: no matter how many people they locked up, how many 272 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 6: police they put on the streets. 273 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 4: Always that's what it is. That's what it is. 274 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: Look because you just explained some ship to him, like 275 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: will chopping it up. We kicked game because we politic 276 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: for our little uh for our podcast and hell of Ship, 277 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 3: I stopped politics. 278 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 8: But I'm saying, but. 279 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: What you just did that you just you feel me 280 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: the ism that you just gave, like that's the politi 281 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: and the feeling though away from his politics, but you 282 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 3: being able to explain something like that, you feel me 283 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: that shit is big. You feel me because motherfucking don't 284 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: hear it on that type of level. And then when 285 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: you hear it coming straight directly from you rather than 286 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: you looking at some numbers, all we got it because 287 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: it don't come like that. It come all the budget 288 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: this and we gotta do this and all the smart 289 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: ass all that other ship. 290 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: When you're hungry, that's. 291 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 8: What I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. 292 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: But when you able to break it down to him 293 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: like that and tell them straight up, because the way 294 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: that you know, they go see it on that other level, 295 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 3: that's that's all they looking at. 296 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 8: Do these numbers matter? 297 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 3: So when you talk about they taking money out of 298 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: the community and shit, they looking at Okay, well last 299 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: time we put in X, Y and Z for this project, 300 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: and then they looking at the project, what did that 301 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: project do? How much money did that project uh bring 302 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: in for us like Okay, well that didn't do right, 303 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 3: So fuck, were gonna take the money that we was 304 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: getting for this and we're gonna move it over here. 305 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: Now they're just moving shit around just to figure out 306 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: and try to see what's gonna work, what's gonna stick. 307 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 8: And one at the end of the day went. 308 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 6: About that one youngster who life They say that not 309 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 6: talking about that stopped from going in that story robbing 310 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 6: that that convenience store on uh On Haggenburger are coming 311 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 6: up in near hell of deep. 312 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 4: But that's how that's how you feel that they talk 313 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: about people going in there robbing and doing all this stuff. 314 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 6: Talk about that one you that didn't decide to go 315 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 6: on that mission and going a different direction. 316 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 4: They don't talk about that that. 317 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: One young that one youngster ended up turning into that 318 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: youngster like me. And like you said, you from the deep, 319 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: you feel what I'm saying. 320 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 8: From the north. 321 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: I lived on fifty fifth Field, so when I had 322 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: to go to school, I had to go all the 323 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: way through the east, all the way back to the 324 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: North and then to come back home. 325 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 8: So I know exactly what you're talking about. 326 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: The hotels in the hotels and fifty five. 327 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 8: I don't know, been in there getting active. 328 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: A whole lot of time. 329 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 8: And I'm not like not like this. 330 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 4: He used to when I was when I was still 331 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: doing my stuff. He used to be running around on 332 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,359 Speaker 4: the level four yard chase around. 333 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 7: God Bro. 334 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 6: Like you know, I'm happy that we got a warding 335 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 6: like this, that know where people like myself came from. 336 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 4: Like he was on the line when I was on 337 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: the line actively doing hell of ship Bro. 338 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 6: He seen me grow up in CSB sacked and for 339 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 6: him to see me then up and up now to 340 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 6: who I am. 341 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: It speaks value we both put all taken. 342 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 8: Look what the you know what I mean? 343 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: But what's what's so interesting about this conversation and mirrors? 344 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: But literally we were having exactly this conversation last week. 345 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I know, you give me ship for going 346 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: back for the fourth time to this that the place 347 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: without any cameras, each time, without any camera to make 348 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: the point, I'm going to keep coming back over and 349 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: over and over again, and I've been doing that. 350 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: Look, not the mayor of Oakland. 351 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: There's fourn in seventy six cities in California, but it's 352 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: out of control. 353 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: There, and so we stepped up. We stepped up the 354 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: last six nine months. 355 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: But I will say it, but it's been out of control. 356 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 8: I get it. 357 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 4: But it takes out of control in the eighties, start 358 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: bringing cocaine. 359 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 9: In this, I get it. 360 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 8: I get it. 361 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: You can't I know, I can't make up for all 362 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: the macro, all the history. But I know I understand. 363 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: But what things really started to spend in the last few. 364 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: Years in particular, and so we have significantly stepped up 365 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: our investments. 366 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: But the point you're making is a difficult point. Right 367 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: at the same time we should be I mean, I 368 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: get it, that sort of binary, this notion that okay, 369 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: he's just putting. 370 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: More cops on the street. That's bullshit, locking people up. 371 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: That's not going to solve the problem versus addressing all 372 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: those systemic issues. 373 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 4: So for us, it's both, and it's both. 374 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: And but I got to do I've got to put 375 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: a lid on it because it's so bad now that 376 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: people people are leavish and droves, businesses, they're leaving, and 377 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: it's just gotten to a point where no. 378 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 8: One is comfort. 379 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: Well, just we've got we've been saturating with the HP 380 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: and others supporting local law enforcement. They're wildly understaff. They're 381 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: not doing any pursuits, they're not making it. We're not 382 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: prosecuting even people that are being arrested. And you've got folks. 383 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: I mean, we had I had a member of my 384 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: staff listeners, a member of my staff with her daughter 385 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: and a gun was put to the kid's head in 386 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: the stroller to take the diapers. I mean, at what 387 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: point do I say, Okay, well, just that's the kind 388 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: of stuff like That's that's where you draw the line 389 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: and there's got to be some accountability. So it's it's again, 390 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: I don't dismiss anything you're saying, quite the contract. I'm 391 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: actually praising what you're saying. But at the same time, 392 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: I'm trying to express hopefully an understanding that we also 393 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: need to deal with the lawlessness at the moment and 394 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: put a lid on it, but without overcompensating going back 395 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: to the old days of overincarceration. 396 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 4: And that's why we're here, man, that's the whole point. 397 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 4: We used to do with housing authority, used to pull 398 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 4: and then come back. That's all. 399 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 6: That's all the other to the Task Force Oakley Police 400 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 6: Department in Alameda County sheriffs or police. We will run 401 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 6: get away as soon as you as soon as you leave, 402 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 6: we come back out and do what he was doing. 403 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 6: So it's it's like, Okay, I'm understand that you're trying 404 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 6: to just put this band aid on there, but really 405 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 6: that they ain't need triage. That need it needs some 406 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 6: real like somebody. And then a lot of the carns 407 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 6: that's happening in that area ain't even people from open 408 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 6: that's none. With the stuff that I saw, the cars 409 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 6: that I'll be saying, I'm old school. 410 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 4: Some of the people that got the ship beat out. 411 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 8: Of them, Bro, why did you bringing heat conversation? 412 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, you're about to get after after everything, and man, 413 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 4: we got this, so he don't even worry too. 414 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: That's we're also trying to address one hundred percent, right. 415 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: But the US, the people that was enforcing that, they 416 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 4: locked up. 417 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 8: They locked up right here. 418 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 4: Some year. 419 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 6: I hear the people that was enforcing that they've been 420 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 6: in prison for the last twenty twenty five years. 421 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 8: Well that's I mean, that's good. 422 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: That brings us long winnedly to the actual why we're here, 423 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: which is part of this rehabilitation we're doing here the 424 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: new calib arder model, trying to scale this stuff. You'll 425 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: see it physically when that wall comes down. And the 426 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: work we're doing, and I don't know if you know, 427 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: the work I've been doing for decades now on reforming 428 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: the damn system and investing in those alternative pathways. 429 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 4: So we address the sub process. 430 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 8: Who from that who who from the system? 431 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 3: That's that you're working with in order for it be 432 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: another lapse, because it's like every time it's like, yeah, 433 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 3: we're trying to go and you know, rework the system 434 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 3: and change, But do y'all bring people that then come 435 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 3: from that ship who actually like no. 436 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 8: Change? 437 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 3: This is where this is why we continue to keep 438 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 3: running into that same when we get. 439 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Here, what's what's this warden doing here? 440 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 8: Appoints the wardens. We're gonna figure it out. Don't find 441 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 8: these guys. 442 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 10: Their ideas come like we build us together, right, it's 443 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 10: a community. So when we get that input, we take 444 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 10: their ideas and invest so when they see something done, 445 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 10: we work together. That's one thing Stas in the population, 446 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 10: we got more similarities and differences. 447 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: We all we all work here together. 448 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: So then how can y'all get that together and a 449 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: place like this, But then out in the free world 450 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: is running regular. 451 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 8: There's more structure in places like this. I get it 452 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 8: than it is actually yet you feel me though at 453 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 8: the house. 454 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 3: And then it just come to a point where when 455 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 3: from my my understanding, my respect, when I see somebody 456 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: come out, uh, come home from doing like fifteen or something, 457 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: when they get back into the you know what I mean, 458 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 3: the new world, they out of touch with everything. 459 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 8: You feel what I'm saying. 460 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 3: And now because the individuals who've been outside, these little 461 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 3: young motherfuckers, they on. 462 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 8: Some other ship. 463 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 3: So when somebody come home and they trying to enforce 464 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: what was you know, I mean, how we even establish 465 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: this foundation for our neighborhood or what's going on. Ain't 466 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: nobody trying to hear that shit anyway. So it's always 467 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: a disconnect. But at the end of the day, the 468 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: same system in which we still have and that is 469 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: still rocking right now, is the same one that we 470 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: just continue to just go around and circles with. 471 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 8: Now, the thing that we ain't talking about is everybody 472 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 8: know that this shit is a big business. 473 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: So I mean, why the fuck if I'm getting billions, 474 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: why the fuck would I want to go change the 475 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 3: system that's gonna continue to keep feeding my pockets. 476 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 8: Now you get individuals who. 477 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: Got a respectful mind and a decent heart, like yourself, 478 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: and you come in here and you're like, damn, I 479 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: want to change, and then it's gonna come to a 480 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: point where you're gonna be like, well, fuck, I donet 481 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: hit my ceiling with these individuals. 482 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 8: They not letting me get no, because if we do that, 483 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 8: it's gonna create real change. 484 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: But that real change is gonna hurt somebody, real change 485 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: when it comes to the higher repts and where all 486 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: his money is going and how all this shit is 487 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: funneled around though, because we all had look, we all 488 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: like he say something to it, like you know what, 489 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: motherfuckers always talk about what they're doing, how they need 490 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: to do this, and how they need to do that, 491 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 3: and it's like, motherfucker, I would love to see them. 492 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 8: You give them this position and let's see what they'll do. 493 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 8: Thank you. But it's not that shit hard though. But man. 494 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 6: Gatherings been in the position since he was the mere 495 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 6: San Francisco, and I don't know what he was doing 496 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 6: before that. He was already gathering his support network like 497 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 6: he he gathering, right. 498 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 4: But he have people that support him there, Yeah, for sure. 499 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 6: Be able to where he could rely on them to 500 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 6: take care of shit that he can't see or do 501 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 6: because he got other things. 502 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 4: And by him having that support network, it allows him 503 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: to elevate and elevate for like twenty twenty eight. Right, 504 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: he's still. 505 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 6: Dealing with what we got going on in California, like 506 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 6: on a higher level. That's gonna that's gonna paying itself out. 507 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 6: Hopefully we don't get some body that that's a dictator. 508 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 8: And but he gonna for me in the mix. 509 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: You run the mayor of Oakland's bitching about what I'm doing. 510 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 8: You should be. 511 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 4: Running for what he said, and and and fab is 512 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 4: your vice mayor. 513 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: Man, don't go turn this Ben, tell me in the 514 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 3: office you talking about you coming to Oakland four. 515 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 4: Time just in the last look your last guy awake, 516 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 4: Look time on you man go down. 517 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: To city hall telling hey, look, hey, you see I 518 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: got my big ass bag outside. 519 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 8: Tell you I got that we're finla take my big 520 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 8: ass bag and get the bags. 521 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 6: And I'm sad about Oakland though, bro, Like I'm really 522 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 6: like every time I watched the news. 523 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 4: My heart to just go out to my city. Bro 524 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 4: Open took care of me as a child. I went 525 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 4: to MacArthur. 526 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 527 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 6: I went to all down near every elementary school in 528 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 6: East Oakley because my parents when they was using drugs, 529 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 6: they drug and. 530 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: So all through Oakland. So I went to all the schools. 531 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 5: Well, look at history of Black Panthers, Bill Russell, Yeah, 532 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 5: I mean, Ricky Henderson, everybody, I mean every I mean 533 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 5: it was unbelievable terms the history of Oakland. 534 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why Draymond played, and and Steph wanted to 535 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 4: stay right. 536 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 6: They then when they started they little legacy with the 537 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 6: Golden State Warriors. 538 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 4: That energy that we had and developed into town, that 539 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 4: was with him. That's what got we just talked to Draymond. 540 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 5: Draymond said that when he came to Oakland, he fell 541 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 5: home because reminded him of Detroit. 542 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 6: He was he was one decision away from not being 543 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 6: in your like me. Yep, he was one choice away. 544 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 6: I just I made the wrong choice. 545 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 4: Draymond made the right choice and he went and played 546 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 4: college from Mischigan State. 547 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 5: Would you play? 548 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 4: I didn't play anything. I was in the streets. I 549 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: didn't even I was trying to find me something. 550 00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 5: What would you would you play? 551 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 4: I probably I wouldn't have paid no sports. Okay, Now 552 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 4: I'm more. 553 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 8: I was. 554 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 4: Since I've been incarcer ready to rehabilitation. I found that 555 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 4: I got a serious passion for mathematics. 556 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 8: I love math. 557 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 6: I love numbers because numbers don't lie how long you've 558 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 6: been in your work. 559 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 4: I didn't even at this institute for five years? 560 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 5: What about overall? 561 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: Twenty six years? 562 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 5: Twenty se okay, and when you're getting out, I. 563 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 4: Don't have no idea, no idea. 564 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 8: Okay. 565 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 6: I should have been going in March, but they said 566 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 6: because some confidential information that was putting my seafoul, the 567 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 6: board determined that I didn't follow the parole boards of recommendations, 568 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 6: and they told me, I gotta wait until twenty twenty. 569 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 5: Is it heard to battle through daily not knowing there's 570 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 5: no end date? 571 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: And is your family this your family? 572 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 5: Here? Is your family? 573 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 6: Come visit The reason why it's not hard because it's 574 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 6: consequences for choices. And I made a decision to take 575 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 6: somebody life, And in California, the consequence for taking somebody 576 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 6: life and getting found guilty of murder is spending the 577 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 6: rest of your life in prison, So I'm not I 578 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 6: regret what I did, and I understand that it's a 579 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 6: possibility I could die in here because I took somebody's life, 580 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 6: so I. 581 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 4: Deal with that in a way according to the law. 582 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 4: But however, I am optimistic. I believe that I made 583 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 4: the change and the transformation to go back and be 584 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 4: a productive member mean us what it's all about. 585 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 5: And I appreciate you getting involved in mathematics and doing that, man, 586 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 5: because being in there, no no and day, but you 587 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 5: doing what you're doing. 588 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 8: It's big. 589 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 4: A lot of these young people that don't have no 590 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 4: education that's trying to. 591 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 6: Get they GEDs, and even the ones that's in college, 592 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 6: they struggle with math. 593 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 4: The math, it seemed like it's the most difficult subject. 594 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 6: And through my rehabilitation, I found that I was passionate 595 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 6: about doing math when I was young men and. 596 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 4: I said, you know what, REGI, I said, what did 597 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 4: you like. 598 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 6: To do before you start committing crimes, before you start 599 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 6: being bad? I realized I like doing math, and I 600 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 6: was like, you know what, I'm about to hone back 601 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 6: in on that, and I started going to college. 602 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 4: I've made it all the way to calculus. 603 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 6: Too, there's been some times where I've been at the 604 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 6: only African American that institutions. 605 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 4: That was taking uh oculus. 606 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 5: And actually, so that's just one of the are you 607 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 5: mentioned some of these young kids the same plan. 608 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 6: Math whenever they need help, I'm available, okay, and people 609 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 6: tell them like, hey man, he pretty good with math. 610 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 4: If you need some help. I'm hoping to help anybody 611 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 4: with man. I love math. 612 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: It's good, but it's taking advantage of the programming. 613 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 8: And I'll tell you what I mean. 614 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: Just in back to Marshawn joining me a little bit. 615 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: Uh, as the guy who ultimately decides whatever the pro 616 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 2: board does doesn't matter unless the governor signs off on it. 617 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: All that programming, you have no idea how determined of 618 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: that is and how critical that is. And you stack 619 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 2: that stuff up because there's so many folks that are wabblers. 620 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: I'll send back they call us en banc or we'll 621 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: just reject if you. 622 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: Don't see that programming in there, and you get medium 623 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: to high risk. Uh you know, I mean those are 624 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: the folks that are being sent back. So what you're 625 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: doing is profoundly consequential in terms of stacking Uh. That 626 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: kind of court for yourself long term, and then you 627 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: just got to get through that first. 628 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: Hurdle with the name do come across the board. You 629 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 3: feel me, you got you got a resume. 630 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 6: Did. I needed to do some healing up here, like 631 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 6: I was really hurt. Like I went through a lot 632 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 6: of trauma growing up and opened myself. I went through 633 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 6: right and in order for me to change and transform, Bro, 634 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 6: I had to heal myself. 635 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: And through these self help groups and having the support networking. 636 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 6: Here, Bro, they help you heal, because if you don't 637 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 6: heal yourself, BRO, you ain't gonna be No, you can't 638 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 6: help nobody. 639 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: You can't help nobody. 640 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 3: But it's crazy that you even say that, because the 641 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: last time we just chopped it up with a ship 642 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: talk about Draymond. We just chopped it up with him, 643 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 3: and Doug was talking about when he went UH and 644 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 3: tried what's that ship called. 645 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 8: Therapy therapy. 646 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: He went through therapy for the first time, and like 647 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: you feel me, he it was shit going on that 648 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: he didn't even know, you know, that was happening with him, 649 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: And a lot of it is that trauma that you 650 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 3: you you you gather while you were UH, while you 651 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: are youngster though, so by even you saying that, because 652 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 3: we were just talking about it on the way over 653 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: here about the uh about like you know, when people 654 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: come in to prison, coming to jail, you know what 655 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: I mean, supposed to be an opportunity for you to 656 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, uh, rehability, rehabilitate yourself. 657 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 8: Right. But I'm like, man, at the end of the day, 658 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 8: what the fuck y'all? Like, what really be going on? 659 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 3: Like how much help do motherfuckers really get? Like if 660 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 3: it is like some shit that is needed, how do 661 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 3: you get that? You feel me, how do you get 662 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 3: that in here? For when if motherfucker do get a 663 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: date or be able to go ahead to stack the 664 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: support that you talking about in order for when you 665 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 3: go to the parole board, motherfucker look at that and 666 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: it's you ain't just looking at a sheet of Oh well, 667 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: this motherfucker was in here for murder, Aron Robberds all 668 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: the shit. 669 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 8: But this is what the and this is the steps 670 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 8: that this individual. 671 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: Took in order to rehabilitate itself in order to get 672 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: up out of here. Yeah, but it just look I 673 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: don't know, to me, it just seemed like a hunup, 674 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: like like I'll tell you, you know, i'd come in here, 675 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: visit my pops and ship like you know when you 676 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: talk about all right, we're gonna go in here, like nah, 677 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: I kind of don't, like, you know, I understand I'm 678 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: trying not to go into jail and you trying to 679 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: go in the motherfucker just sit down and chop it 680 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: up like fuck. But I get it, and I mean, 681 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's really good, you know what I mean, 682 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: especially for myself to see this, but then you know 683 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: what I mean for you, you know, we come around 684 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: and see what's going on. 685 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 8: And ship like. 686 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 3: It's some good ship that you feel me though, that 687 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: you possibly can do. I just hope that you take 688 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: the information that you know that they're given and you 689 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: know what I mean, come up with something better. I'm 690 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 3: talking about overall, like not just here, but whole system. 691 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 8: And you, the motherfucking president, why you just changed it right? 692 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 8: The ship up. 693 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: I wish we could just snap our fingers war, but no, no, 694 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: but the whole idea of San Quentin's become the model 695 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: rehabilitation president in the United States of America, and then 696 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: we spread it throughout the rest of the system. So 697 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: everything that happens behind that wall will determine that. 698 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 8: No, bullshit, that's what it is. 699 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: Wow. Literally, it's almost verbato the ship you were saying 700 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: about Opha. 701 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 8: It's so interesting to think about it. 702 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: He hasn't been outside, but he feels it nonetheless. But 703 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 3: I'm saying it's the same shit. Yeah, yeah, See I 704 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: was going in the eighties. He was running around in 705 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: the eighties. But the fact that the same shit was 706 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: going deep, that's what I'm saying. God, that system shit. No, 707 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: I got to get that system and whatever it was 708 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: designed to do. The keepers fucking shitty and locked up 709 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 3: in places like this, They designed a hell of a system. 710 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: Because think about it for twenty years, it's still the 711 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: same shit. 712 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 2: I want to get into that conversation because I can 713 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: give you chapter and verse on that deeper. You do 714 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: not understand how spot on you are about that. I met, 715 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: I bet I would give you some. 716 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 8: Prequel, and I don't think it's crazy. One system though,