1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: On Theme is a production of iHeartRadio and Fairweather Friends Media. 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: You are class, Settle down, class. 3 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: We've been learning about civil rights activists this unit. Let's 4 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 3: see how much we've been paying attention. Show we which 5 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: NAACP activists sparked the Montgomery bus boycott by refusing to 6 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: give up her seat on a segregated bus. 7 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Rosa Hugs. 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: Good job class. Why were Rosa Parks and many other 9 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: civil rights activists arrested in nineteen fifty six after the boycotts? 10 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: Raise your hand if you know the answer, me. 11 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: Me because the Alabama government said blaycotts were illegal. That's right. Okay. 12 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: Last question, who was the first woman to lie in 13 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: honor at the US Capitol? Rosa Pikes? Great class, Now 14 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: you know all you need to know about Rosa Parks. 15 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: Most of us in the US have been learning about 16 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: Rosa Parks since elementary school or before. 17 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: Yes, the Rosa Parks, the activists, the mother of the movement. 18 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: We learned about her act of defiance at least every 19 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: Black History Month, and it's always a great reminder how 20 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: history is made by ordinary people deciding that enough is enough. 21 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: For sure, And while we've known the name Rosa Parks 22 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: and her contribution to the civil rights movement. For a 23 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: long time, most curricula limit Missus Parks to a few 24 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: trivia like facts, and sometimes those few facts we hear 25 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: about Rosa Parks are used as punchlines in movies and songs. 26 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: But thankfully we can learn more about Missus Parks through 27 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: her own words and the memories of those who were 28 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: closest to her, her own family. We'll be talking to 29 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 3: her seventh niece, Miss Sheila Macaulay Keys. 30 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm Katie and I'm Eves today's episode The Real Life 31 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: Rosa Parks. 32 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: Do you remember your first impression of Rosa Parks? 33 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: Uh. I don't know if I remember my very first impression, 34 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure it was sometime around elementary school 35 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: or pre k or whatever. And I remember getting those 36 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: same things that so many other young students got, those 37 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: black and white contour drawings of all the civil rights leaders, 38 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: and then you would color them man with their crayon 39 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: are your colored pencils and put them up on the wall. 40 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: I remember hearing about her and the busboycott and her 41 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: refusing to give up her seat, and that's pretty much 42 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: where my early knowledge of Rosa Parks ended. I don't 43 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: remember watching any films about her. I don't remember talking 44 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: about her beyond Black History Month. It was pretty contained 45 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: experience of my knowledge of Rosa Parks at the time. 46 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: I remember thinking that she was like so small and old. 47 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: But she's like in her forties when she did that, 48 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: so she really wasn't that old. And I also remember 49 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: my mind being blown that she was still alive because 50 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: they make the Civil rights movement seems like so far away, 51 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: so it's like feels like ancient history to a kid. 52 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: But I was like, wait, she's still alive. Yeah, she's 53 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: indeed trite. 54 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh shit. 55 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: And I remember like seeing her in media a lot 56 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 3: beyond just the you know, Black History Month PSAs or 57 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: McDonald's Black three six five or whatever the case may be. Like, 58 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: I remember seeing her in just like random like pieces 59 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: of media that I was like, ugh, Like that barbershop 60 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: movie mm hmm, they're like making fun of Rose of 61 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: Parks in two thousand and two. Do you remember that? 62 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: Refresh my memory? 63 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: So in the barbershop movie Cedric, the entertainer's character is 64 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: a loud, opinionated old barber who shares his offensive takes 65 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: with anyone who will listen, and I see where the 66 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: cast is participating in typical barbershop talk. Cedric's character takes wife, 67 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: said Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, and Rosa Parks. Exactly, 68 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: Rosa Parks. He says, he's only the founder of the 69 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,119 Speaker 3: modern civil rights movement. 70 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 4: But because she saw on the. 71 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: Book Edie, Yeah, what did folks say in response to that? 72 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: Well, the filmmakers in the studio apologize for the line 73 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: and said that you know, it was one character's opinion 74 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: and not the opinion shared by the film itself, the 75 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: filmmakers or MGM Picture. But even though they apologize, Jesse 76 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: Jackson still told the Associated Press that he would like 77 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: the producers to cut the offending lines from the home 78 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: video release, remember physical media. So Jackson said that there 79 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: are some heroes who are sacred to a people, and 80 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: these comments poisoned an otherwise funny movie. Referring to doctor 81 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: King and Missus Parks, he said, he could let the 82 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: little swipe at him, He could let that fly, but 83 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: you know, talking about doctor King and Missus Parks was 84 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: a step too far. And Cedric, the entertainer, the one 85 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: who said it in the movie, said he wasn't really 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: comfortable with saying the line, but he told USA Today 87 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: that quote, personally, I had some qualms with saying it, 88 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: But every situation has an instigator, someone who likes to 89 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: charge the room and say something controversial. That's what my 90 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: character does in the movie. So everyone was offended or 91 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: trying to distance themselves from it. Well not everyone. Ice Cube, 92 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: who also started in the movie, told USA Today, quote, 93 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: people are making too much of it. It's a funny 94 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: movie about a barbershop, and no one is exempt at 95 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: the barbershop. Just because we talk about people doesn't mean 96 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: we don't love these people too. End quote. 97 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: So what do you think about it? Or what did 98 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: you think at the time. 99 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 3: So at the time, I remember being a kid and 100 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: being confused why people were mad over a joke. So 101 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: I asked my mom and she said it was disrespectful, 102 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: Like she saw the joke as disrespectful too, especially because 103 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: Rosa Parks was still alive to hear them belitterally what 104 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: she did. But in the scene, Eddie, the character Cedric 105 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: is playing, is instantly rebuffed by everyone in the barbershop. 106 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't spend that much time in barbershops, 107 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: but they are known for being a place where most 108 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: topics are fair game, even civil rights icons. But I 109 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: do think the flattening of Rosa Park's story as just 110 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: the woman who sat down on a buss contributes to 111 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: these portrayals. It's like, we're all taught a few things 112 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: about this lady, but everyone is taught those few things, 113 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: so she's a cultural touchstone who anyone will understand if referenced. 114 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: Like if I were to make a joke about like 115 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: Mary Church, Terrelle or Dorothy Hye or Elli Baker, most 116 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 3: people wouldn't get it, but that's not the case for 117 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 3: Rosa Parks. So I think it makes it easier for 118 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: people to just like insert her in there, and it's 119 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: like everyone's gonna get this joke, whether they think it's 120 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: offensive or not. 121 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: I think the whole barbershops thing is interesting because it's 122 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: like one of those quote unquote safe spaces or like 123 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: protected spaces where that I think we generally, like culturally 124 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: make a lot of excuses for anything in anything goes situation. 125 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: But I like your point that, like there was pushback 126 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: in the scene. People did say, you know who Rosa 127 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Parks is, stop playing she deserves respect, and so I 128 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: think it's a worthy conversation to have to say, like, 129 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: how are we respecting and how are we talking about 130 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: our elders. Because things that are portrayed in media, like 131 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: they are disseminated broadly, a lot of people see them. 132 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: Those are the things that are repeated over and over 133 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: in different people's minds. So from that perspective of like 134 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: what are we actually transmitting, then I think it matters. 135 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: But I do also think that it was a lot 136 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: more lighthearted and also like treat it with care than 137 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people were making it seem. 138 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: Because I went to YouTube and looked at this scene 139 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 3: and the comments on the scene are crazy, Like people 140 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: are like, yeah, Rosa Parks, they do shit. She was 141 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: the first one to sit on the bus, that was 142 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: Claude Kelvin. If they didn't like her because she was duskied, pregnant, 143 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: team much oh people, the park's bitter fitted for colorism. 144 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, wow, yeah, And so I do think, 145 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: sure it's a joke, and like I don't think they 146 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 3: meant any harm by it, No, But we what twenty 147 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: two years later and I'm seeing these comments from people 148 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: on YouTube like kind of bashing Rosa Parks and like 149 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: in They're Dead Ass series, you know. 150 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not on the movie though, that's not 151 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: on the writers of that scene. 152 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 3: But I do think it's interesting to see, like how 153 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: you said, like transmitting things like where does it go? Like, yeah, 154 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: how do How are people reacting to it? They're not 155 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: taking it as like a joke for real, They're like, yeah, 156 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: down with ros you. 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: Know what that's really about. Though, that's funny. I didn't 158 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: see those comments. This is really about how people learned 159 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: about Claude at Covin and they felt like they were 160 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: right after that. They were like, I learned about Claude 161 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: at COVID. Oh there was a person before Rosa Parks. Now, 162 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: even though I learned about this from this article that 163 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: nine hundred thousand other people read, I am about to 164 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: spread the word. 165 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean absolutely give claud it caving her 166 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 3: her props. Yeah, but it's like, you know, i'd be 167 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: Wells refused to get off of a train plusy versus Ferguson, 168 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: Like that's what that whole case is about, Like a 169 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: black guy refusing to like move. So it's like it's 170 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: okay that more than one person did this thing. It's 171 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: like we're building on We're building on it. So I 172 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: do think it's like a weird like pattern of using 173 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: Rosa Parks as a bunch of but hey, after the break, 174 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: we'll look at how other media portrays Rose Parks and 175 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: speak with her niece, Sheila McAuley keys about her auntie Rosa. 176 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: See you on the other side of this break. Okay, 177 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: So you know I have a complicated relationship with Tyler Perry. 178 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: Oh yes, I know. 179 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,239 Speaker 3: So you know in his movie Homecoming release on Netflix 180 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two. I wasn't rushing to see it, 181 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: but I watched it one day just to see what 182 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: Tyler was talking about or whatever. 183 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, And to. 184 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: My surprise, like I didn't see this promoted anywhere, I 185 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: didn't see people talking about it online. But there was 186 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: a very superfluous flashback scene where Medea inserts herself in 187 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: the civil rights movement the day Rosa Parks decides to 188 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: not move from her seat on the bus. 189 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: Madea inserts herself how. 190 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: Basically, she says, Rosa Parks ran off with her man 191 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: and was on the bus with him. Give a town. 192 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 4: She says, you know why Rose didn't get off that bus. 193 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: People think she was trying to have black people, but 194 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: that is not at all what happened. All the reason 195 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: Rosa didn't get off that bus, she din won't get 196 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: our ass whooped because she has stole my man. That's 197 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: an interesting creative choice, to say the least. So were 198 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: people up in arms about it like they were about 199 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: barber shop. 200 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: Not at all. Like I said, I didn't see anything 201 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: about it. I didn't even know the movie had it 202 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: in there until I watched it well after it was released, 203 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: because nobody was talking about it. Tyler Perry told Variety 204 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: that he actually did this joke in front of Missus 205 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 3: Parks during Diary of a Mad Black Woman in Detroit, 206 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: which was one of his most famous plays, and she 207 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: said she thought it was funny. Really well, you know, 208 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: according to Tager Perry. 209 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: Right now, is that a trusted source or is it 210 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: a bias to her? 211 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: You know, he might have put it a little extra 212 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: on it, but he said, initially I was nervous. I 213 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: was like, oh Lord, what's she going to say? Her 214 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: caregiver was someone who worked with Sicily type and for 215 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 3: many years, and they would call me up and tell 216 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 3: me how much she enjoyed it, how much it made 217 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 3: her laugh. 218 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: It's definitely in the same spirit as the barbershop joke. 219 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: So I'm curious about why the response is different. What 220 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: do you think, Well, I do wonder about the reach 221 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: of the movies, Like movies work a lot different now 222 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: than they did in barbershops time, Like there were more 223 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: cultural touch points, and Barbershop was definitely one of those movies, 224 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: especially for black culture, and especially because it was about 225 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: a barber shop. Like, Oh, black people love talking about 226 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: the camaraderie of the barbershop and how it's just for us, 227 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: and how the conversations that happened there don't happen anywhere else, 228 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: Like that is a long standing thing that Black people 229 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: love to talk about. So I wonder if the whole 230 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: the the culture around movies being cultural touch points, things 231 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: that people gathered around at a single moment in time 232 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: that like it was back in that day versus how 233 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: it is now, Like it's a lot more dispersed. The 234 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: way we watch films, we don't watch them at the 235 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: same time, the conversations that happened around it happened in 236 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: so many different places that I think it's harder to 237 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: distill it down to a single point, so I think 238 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: that might have something to do with it. But I 239 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: also think that I don't know, maybe there's something about 240 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: context to where the comment that subject the entertainer's character 241 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,479 Speaker 1: made in barber Shop was more pointed and the language 242 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: was a lot clearer, like who is Rosa Parks versus 243 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: what Medea said was more like this created fantastical fantasy 244 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: set within a part of the movie that was clearly 245 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: about like a situation that was more fictional versus something 246 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: that felt like more nonfictional. 247 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that. Also, it's interesting that Tyler 248 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: Perry said that he did the joke in Diary and 249 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: Mad Black Woman, like the play version, but took it 250 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: out of Diary of a Mad Black Woman, the movie version, 251 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: because when the movie came out, I think it might 252 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 3: have been a similar time in movies closer to Barbershop. 253 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: But I think it was like a calculated decision, Like 254 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: I saw what happened with barber Shop, I'm going to 255 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: just like avoid all this smoke and like put it 256 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 3: in like years and years later and then kind of 257 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: like preemptively being on on the record saying Missus Parks 258 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: heard this joke and she thought it was funny, Like 259 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Also, it was twenty twenty two, 260 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: the reckoning, yeah, not even the reckoning like we were 261 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: going to ask Molly wopped. Oh yeah, ye yeah, you know, COVID. 262 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: Was going on. 263 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 3: The racial working was slowing down a little bit. But 264 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: I think people were just like fucking tired. 265 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: We were also grasping at straws for things that we 266 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: could enjoy. Yeah, and media. 267 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, whatever, I think. 268 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is we're all very disenchanted. Yeah, 269 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: we're all cynical at this point. Yeah, we have tie, 270 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: we don't energy. Eggs are seventeen dollars? Are we really 271 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: going to fight chickens? 272 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: And also she's no longer alive at this point too, 273 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: So I think that was a big part of the 274 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: thing in two thousand and two, is like you talk 275 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: about this old woman who you should like have like 276 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: a lot of respect for and be showing some reverence towards. 277 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: You make a front of her say she ain't do nothing, 278 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: she can hear you. So I think that that also 279 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: might play a part into it too. I'm not saying 280 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: there were no positive depictions of Rosa Parks beyond our textbooks. 281 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: We've got the two thousand and two biopics Starrying Angela 282 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: Bassett so came out the same year as Barbershop, and 283 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: then twenty years later The Rebellious Life of Missus Rosa Parks, 284 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: which is a documentary that came out in twenty joy two, 285 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: so that's actually the same year as Homecoming of the 286 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 3: Tyler Perry movie. 287 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: She also wrote an autobiography titled Rosa Parks My Story. 288 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: Indeed, there's so much said and written about Roads of Parks, 289 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: but I was interested in knowing more about her as 290 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: not the legendary civil rights that she is now, but 291 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: also as a person, what she did beyond the movement, 292 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: which I think sometimes gets overlooked. In twenty sixteen, Rosa 293 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: Parks's nieces and nephews released the book Our Auntie Rosa. 294 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: The Family of Rosa Parks Remembers her Life and Lessons. 295 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: It's full of beautiful personal memories they had with their 296 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: aunt and the lessons they learned from her. 297 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: My name is Sheila McAuley Keys. I am the seventh 298 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 4: niece of Rosa McAuley Parks. My father was her brother 299 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: and the only sibling. I am an author, and Rosa 300 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: Parks was my aunt and also my mother. 301 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: After the break, we'll speak with Sheila McCauley Keys, Rosa 302 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: Parks's seventh niece and the author of the book Our 303 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Auntie Rosa. 304 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: We saw the book that you and your brothers and 305 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: sisters and nieces and nephews wrote, and we were really 306 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: excited to read it and learn more about Rosa Parks 307 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: from y'all's perspective. And I was wondering, with so many 308 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: books written about your aunt, why was it important for 309 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: your family to write a book from a more personal perspective. 310 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 4: The reason why it was important for us to come 311 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 4: from our perspective because we were her brother's children and 312 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: we wanted the public to know of our experiences with 313 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 4: our aunt. She basically raised us. Most of of us 314 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 4: were grown already, but my parents, her brother, Sylvester McCauley, 315 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 4: died in nineteen seventy seven, her husband died in seventy seven. 316 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 4: My grandmother died soon thereafter. That's Rosa Parks's mom, and 317 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 4: then my mother died in eighty two. So she was 318 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 4: a matriarch. She became the matriarch of our family, and 319 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 4: she was the glue that held us all together. Believe 320 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 4: it or not, there was thirteen of us, and she 321 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 4: was so strong. She went on about giving us away 322 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: at weddings, showing up to high school graduation. She showed 323 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 4: up to my son's middle school graduation. She was everywhere. 324 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 4: Anytime there was a picnic, she was there. She arranged 325 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 4: family reunions, She was the matriarch. She became the leader 326 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 4: of our family, the Macaulay family, after all the other 327 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 4: adults had passed on, had transitioned. So we felt it 328 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 4: necessary because it was a lot going on in two 329 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: thousand and five. When she passed, we were left out 330 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: of a lot of any type of actual arrangements. We 331 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 4: weren't taken into consideration the things she told us. This 332 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 4: is what I wanted my funeral. I don't want people 333 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 4: talking in me, you know. But the funeral was of 334 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: epic proportions. I would say it was like seven and 335 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: a half hours long, and every political figure you could 336 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: imagine was there, and it was you know, it was 337 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 4: okay because everyone wanted to pay their respects, you know. 338 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 4: So I understood that. But then we decided to write. 339 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 4: You know, it helped us to grieve, That's what it did. 340 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: It was a grieving process. Our young people really need 341 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 4: to know her, and so that's what I look at 342 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 4: it as they need to know what a treasure she was. 343 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: I was hoping if you could read from page twenty eight, 344 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: you're talking about when your father died and like Auntie 345 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: Rosa like stepping into that more parental figure cryay. 346 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 4: It showed in the manner that she parented us naturally 347 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: without having experienced parenthood for herself at all. Thinking about 348 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 4: it now, we realize that nearly thirty years of bonding 349 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 4: with Auntie Rosa after her brother passed was an extension 350 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 4: of the bond she had first formed with him during 351 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 4: their childhood. Her devotion to all of us grew from 352 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 4: one of the most important relationships she had ever had. 353 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 4: Oh that was something to read. I forgot about that one. 354 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 4: When father died of stomach cancer in nineteen seventy seven, 355 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: Auntie Rosa said she would always be grateful to our 356 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: mother because she was by father's side every day. We 357 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 4: had never seen Auntie Rosa cry until she spoke at 358 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 4: his funeral. Auntie Rosa probably never expected brother to be 359 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 4: the first of them to die. Some of us were 360 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 4: still teenagers, and she seemed to feel responsible for us 361 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 4: even more after he was gone. It showed in so 362 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: many of the ways that she became a bigger presence 363 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 4: in our lives. 364 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 3: It's a really beautiful tribute, and reading it, I was like, Wow, 365 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: everyone should do this for their family member because it's 366 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: such a rich text. It's a document that would be 367 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 3: very hard to get otherwise. It's really touching seeing you 368 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 3: and Rhea write that about Missus Parks and her stepping 369 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: up to be that figure for y'all when your father died, 370 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 3: and it was nice to hear about y'all living in 371 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 3: the house together and just be a really tight knit 372 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 3: community and tight knit family. Did you discover anything new 373 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: about her while you were writing this book. 374 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 4: The only thing I discovered was what deep love she 375 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 4: had for her husband and the love letters that they 376 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 4: had written back and forth to each other. I discovered that, 377 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: and I said, while she was a human, you know, 378 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: because I always saw she walked on water and she 379 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 4: floated through the room, and she was Auntie Rosa. The 380 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 4: thing that I learned more about her personal side with 381 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 4: her own husband uncle Parks was a great guy. He's 382 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: a great, great person. He was a sweet man. So 383 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 4: that when I learned that about how they really did 384 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 4: love each other. They wrote those love letters back and forth, 385 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 4: I was like, whoa they they were really married. I'm 386 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: so silly. I was just a kid, and I didn't 387 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: really know they had she she really had a life 388 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 4: with this man. And I did see her her voice 389 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: wavered when she called my mother and said Park said died. 390 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: She told called my mother and said Parks pasted the day, 391 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 4: and her voice shook. I was like, oh, my goodness, 392 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 4: you know, and I found that she had feelings, and 393 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 4: I thought, you know, she was rough and tough. She 394 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 4: rosa Parks. She got the powerful fists up and stuff. 395 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: She was a beautiful lady. That's what she was, beautiful 396 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 4: lady of faith. So I just found out more on 397 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: the personal side, she was just like everybody else. I 398 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 4: really wish I think I would have treated her differently. 399 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 4: I treated her like Auntie Rosa. I think I would 400 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 4: have tried to have more open conversations with her. But 401 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 4: my aunt was like this. I wasn't her contemporary, I 402 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 4: wasn't her age, so she was never going to speak 403 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 4: to me the way that she would speak to my father, 404 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 4: for instance. So my mother, they were her contemporaries, not me. 405 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 4: I was a little girl. I would never be on 406 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 4: that level for her to speak to me about any 407 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 4: thing that was going on with her, you know, anything personal. 408 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 4: I wasn't the one, so I don't think any of 409 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 4: her nieces and nephews were. And this is how Auntie 410 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 4: Rosa was. If you had wanted to ask her a question, 411 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 4: you could ask her the question. But if you never 412 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 4: asked her, she was volunteering no information. She was not 413 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: messy boots. 414 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 3: I think it's funny already say like she wouldn't speak 415 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: to her nieces and nephews like in that gossip you way, 416 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: and in the book you and your brothers and sisters 417 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 3: kind of talk about how she didn't really like speaking 418 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: about the incident on the bus. Do you wish she 419 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: would have spoken about her role in the civil rights 420 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: movement more? And could you give us your recollection of 421 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 3: that bus incident? How she did tell y'all about it. 422 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: She told my sister Shirley about it because my Shirley 423 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 4: was writing a paper. My sister Shirley, she was writing 424 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: a paper at school and she asked her about it. 425 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: I never asked her, Hey, what happened on that bus. 426 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 4: But when she told my sister what happened, it was 427 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 4: different from what the media was portraying. And my sister asked, well, 428 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 4: why didn't you ever say anything. She said, well, I 429 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: knew what happened. I just ran with that narrative, and 430 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 4: that was what they wanted to portray, that the bus 431 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: was crowded, and it wasn't you know. It was a 432 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 4: lot of things, a lot of tensions and in the South. 433 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 4: But she had said that it's this bus driver. He 434 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 4: knew she worked for the NAACP, and he was just 435 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 4: a meano, nasty bus driver and he would have all 436 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 4: the color people they called him. At the time. We 437 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 4: were colored, we would go to the front, pay your fare, 438 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 4: and then get off and go to the back to 439 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: get on. When Auntie Rosa would do that, he would 440 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: just pull off and leave. So he had an attitude 441 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 4: towards her anyway. He didn't like nobody that was colored. 442 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 4: He just hated them. And he told her to move 443 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 4: when she really didn't have to get up and move, 444 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 4: and the other colored people on the bus did get up. 445 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 4: I think two other people did, and she just said, no, 446 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 4: it's plenty of spase, I'm not doing that. And uh, 447 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 4: he said, well, I'm gonna call the police. She said, okay, 448 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 4: oh yeah, what what the heck? But she had been 449 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 4: training for this day. This day was gonna come. It 450 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 4: came from many other people before, and some of them 451 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: they took away and you never saw him again. I 452 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 4: think Claude Covin. They took her away and she lived. 453 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 4: I think she was a teenager when they took her away. 454 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 4: She wouldn't move. There were other people that did the 455 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 4: same thing Auntie Rosa did, but they were NAACP was 456 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 4: looking for somebody that will be I think acceptable by 457 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 4: the country, and Auntie Rosa, though had been training for this, 458 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 4: she just didn't say, hey, I'm not moving today. She 459 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: had actually trained to do what she did, and she 460 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 4: just said I'm not doing it because she had had enough. 461 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: So people didn't know back in those days or even now, 462 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 4: that could get you your head blown off, and so 463 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 4: the amount of courage it took for her to say no, 464 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 4: I'm not doing it, it took a lot because he 465 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: could have just drew his gun and shot her, and 466 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 4: that would have been the end of her. They want 467 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 4: you to comply, comply, do what I say, do what 468 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 4: I say, like get out here. You're a human just 469 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 4: like me, how to do what you say? I was 470 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 4: glad that she did that because it changed our world. 471 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 4: It changed the world we live in and the whole planet. 472 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 4: It changed everything the way people believe they ought not 473 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 4: be treated and they stand up. And that's what we 474 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 4: need more of today. We need people to stand up 475 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 4: and say no, We're not taking this anymore. 476 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: And do you think thats not talking to y'all until 477 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: you specifically asked her questions about things, do you think 478 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: that that was part of her personality or do you 479 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: think any part of that came from her doing movement 480 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: work and knowing that certain things had to stay close 481 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: to the chest. 482 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 4: She was very stealthy, I'll tell you that. And because 483 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 4: they would have these secret meetings and she would not 484 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 4: tell people anything. And my parents they did the same thing, 485 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 4: and I'm like, what are they doing. I think that 486 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 4: the adults in our family did not include us kids 487 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 4: and a lot of that business, and I think it 488 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 4: was a form of protecting us. And also I think 489 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: Auntie Rosa she did a lot of investigative work about 490 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 4: some of the women down in Montgomery that were raped attacked, 491 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 4: and she would you get all this information, and she 492 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 4: knew who to talk to and who not to talk 493 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 4: to you about what she found out. And I think 494 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 4: that helped her to stay alive, you know, because if 495 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 4: you told them wrong person and they went running back, 496 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 4: it's just, you know, too much chatter. So she I 497 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 4: think learned by habit doing that, not volunteering any information 498 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 4: it wasn't necessary. 499 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: I heard that Auntie Rosa was a great cook, and 500 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 3: I was wondering, what your favorite recipe she made it. 501 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: I just did a interview with somebody about It was 502 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 4: some kind of pancakes, the peanut butter featherlight pancakes. It 503 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 4: was a recipe she had written down on the bag. 504 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: And the lady called me because she made those pancakes 505 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 4: and they were so good. Those weren't good pancakes, the 506 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 4: peanut butter feather lights, and you had to cook them 507 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: really slow or they would burn. And Auntie Rosa would 508 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 4: take notes, like when she was writing up her little recipe, 509 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 4: she would take notes if you turned the heat up 510 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 4: too high and she would write that down. It will burn. 511 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: Don't we turned it up? So she tell you, but 512 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 4: a pinch of salt, a little dash of sugar, whatever, 513 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 4: it's Southern way of cookie. They knew what a pinch was. 514 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 4: I still don't know. Offer the whole box of salt 515 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 4: and be making a miss. But she said a pitch. 516 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 4: She meant the pitch to season. And those pancakes are good. 517 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things that people would never 518 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: know or never think about when they think about your 519 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: auntie Rosa. It's like we have this really a lot 520 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: of the times, we have so many misconceptions and all 521 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: this misinformation about people who become larger than life in 522 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: people's minds who didn't know Rosa Parks. And this happens 523 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: with so many civil rights leaders that live in so 524 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: many people's minds, as these figures that we see on 525 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: television all the time and we hear their quotes, but 526 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: we don't fully know the real them. So it's really 527 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: nice to hear those parts of them that really bring 528 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: more of their humanity in. But I do think because 529 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: we don't know their full selves, there are so many 530 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: times when we used their names in ways that for instance, 531 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: in media and in storytelling, there are so many times 532 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: that Rosa Parks's name has been used where they co 533 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: opt her legacy to tell their stories. So I was 534 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: wondering if you or your family ever think about or 535 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: have ever thought about the ways that people used their 536 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: auntie's name and film in ways that have to do 537 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: with the ways that they think about your auntie's legacy. 538 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and also in real life, movies are make believe. 539 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 4: On heard many times where I think it was something 540 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 4: in barbershop Rose Parts ain't doing nothing, you know, just 541 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 4: ran off. And then I've worked with people that even 542 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: said to me it didn't know I was related to 543 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 4: Rose parents. Oh, Rosea pars ain't doing nothing. She didn't 544 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 4: do nothing. I was like, well, the thing that she did, whatever, 545 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 4: her nothing, is allowing you to sit exactly where you are. 546 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 4: And I don't see a white's only sign, you know, 547 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 4: in any restaurant now, So what do you mean she 548 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 4: didn't do nothing? She affected a change that you didn't 549 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 4: or nobody that you know did. So when people say that, 550 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 4: it doesn't offend me because I know movies are make believe. 551 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 4: Even Tyler Perry when he used Auntie Bros's name, it 552 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 4: was comedy comedy. It was funny, and I laughed at 553 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 4: it because it was funny. I don't take offense, you know, 554 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 4: I don't take offense to these scenes because I know 555 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 4: a movie is made to affect some type of emotion 556 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 4: in you, and basically Tyler Perry just made me laugh. 557 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: But I think the Barbershop movie, a few people got 558 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 4: mad about that, but it's okay, it's a movie. What 559 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 4: the heck. They don't know her, They didn't know her. 560 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 4: They you know, everything she did was for them, everything 561 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 4: for the people making the movie, everything she did, and 562 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 4: they know that. In real life, I think she did 563 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 4: something that moved the whole world. 564 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: But I think that'll also be part of what your 565 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: book helps with it being a teaching tool, like you said, 566 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 1: of people being able to see a fuller version of 567 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: who she actually was and what her character was. 568 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 4: Like this book, you know, I could give this to 569 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 4: my grandkids. What happened when my children got a chance 570 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 4: to know her because my mother and my father had passed, 571 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 4: So my two sons, they held her hand, they sat 572 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 4: with her, they got a chance to know her. But 573 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 4: then my grandkids didn't. So then my sons tell his 574 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 4: son's stories about her, and all I offer is the book. 575 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 4: We can always open that and we can go to 576 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 4: you know, certain sections to see what she would do 577 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 4: if this or that came up. There's an answer or 578 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 4: you know, some type of remedy that she would give us. 579 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: How do you think your Auntie Rosa would have felt 580 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: about the book if she read it? 581 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 4: Well, what's not to like? I think she would like 582 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 4: it because it was well thought out, it was a heartfelt, 583 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 4: so I think she would like it. School children could 584 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 4: even read it and take from it write a report 585 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 4: if they want, and I think she would have liked 586 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 4: that idea of it being an educational tool. If need me. 587 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 3: Now it's time for roll credits, the segment where we 588 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 3: give credit to a person, place, or thing that we 589 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,439 Speaker 3: encountered during the week, and we have our guests, Miss 590 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 3: Sheila joining us. But first, Eves, who are what would 591 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 3: you like to give credit to? 592 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: I like to give credit to Misch Sheila and all 593 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: of your family members that wrote this book and that 594 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: we're willing to share their memories of Rosa Parks because 595 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: without y'all, we wouldn't know any of this, and I 596 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: think it's just incredibly enlightening to have this information. It 597 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: helps me understand people and history that are very important 598 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: to us, that pave the way for us to literally 599 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: exist in this country. To know those things about them 600 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: is a blessing, It's a privileg and I would just 601 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: like to give credit to y'all because I'm thankful for that. 602 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: How about you, Miss Sheila, Who or what would you 603 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 3: like to give credit to? 604 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 4: I would like to give credit to young man for 605 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 4: bringing the descendants together in Washington, DC. His name is 606 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 4: Joshua Jordanson, and he came up with this idea back 607 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen to bring all the descendants together because 608 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 4: without the descendants, without the ancestors, rather, we just wouldn't 609 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 4: be here without Harriet Tubman. For sure, a lot of 610 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 4: us wouldn't be here without my Auntie Rosa. You know, 611 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 4: a lot of us wouldn't be here. So I'm giving 612 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 4: credit to him this week for pulling together Frederick Douglas, 613 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 4: Ida b Wells, Martin, Luther King, Malcolm X. A lot 614 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 4: of the descendants came together and met, shook hands and 615 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 4: hug and fellowship. And I thought that was really a 616 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 4: cool thing because now we can forge something out of that. 617 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 4: We're going to push forward for our communities, and that 618 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 4: brought about some ideas for our heads. So I thought 619 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 4: that was the coolest thing. So I'm thankful for that 620 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 4: person for coming up with that idea. 621 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 3: Yes, that's very powerful. I'm I'm super excited to see 622 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 3: what comes out of it, and I'm looking forward to 623 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,479 Speaker 3: y'all for y'all to have that experience every year. Because 624 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 3: he said y'all are thinking about doing it and laid 625 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 3: out I think that would be really cool. I would 626 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 3: like to give credit to breaking the rules, and obviously 627 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 3: that's inspired by Rosa Parks. But as Michila said, we 628 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 3: should take some of the lessons that we learned from 629 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 3: our ancestors like Rosa Parks and apply them today. And 630 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: today we're seeing a lot of strange things going on 631 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 3: and a lot of rules that just don't make sense. 632 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: And we know they don't make sense. They are insulting 633 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 3: to our common sense. Yet a lot of times, just 634 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 3: because it is a rule, we decide to follow it. 635 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 3: So I want to encourage people, if it is a 636 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 3: stupid rule, do not follow it and make it known 637 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 3: that you're not about that. You're not going to just 638 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 3: go with whatever someone says especially when they mean you 639 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 3: know good, I'm gonna give credit to breaking the rules. 640 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Mischila for joining us. You will and 641 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 3: we will see y'all next week. 642 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: Bye on Theme is a production of iHeartRadio and Fairweather 643 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: Friends Media. This episode was written by Eves, Jeffco and 644 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: Katie Mitchell. It was edited and produced by Tari Harrison. 645 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at on Theme Show. You can 646 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: also send us an email at hello at on Theme 647 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: dot show. 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