1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: On wrongful conviction. Many of our guests have served in 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: the US military. We at lava for good honor America's veterans, 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: but let this episode serve as a reminder that even 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: that revered status has historically not been enough to save 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: innocent Americans from our criminal legal system and those who operated. 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: Keith Washington was an Army lieutenant colonel, police officer, and 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: Homeland security official in Prince George's County, Maryland, when on 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: January twenty fourth, two thousand and seven, he was at 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 2: home having dinner with his wife and daughter while waiting 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: for a furniture delivery. When the delivery men, Brandon Clark 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: and Robert White, arrived, Keith invited them into his home. However, 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: when he found White snooping around his daughter's bedroom, he 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: asked them to leave, but they wouldn't. Overpowered by the 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: two much larger men being kicked and stomped on, he 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: feared for his wife and daughter's lives as well as 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: his own, so the assailants both were taken to the hospital, 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: but only Robert White survived. White, a twelve time convicted felon, 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: fabricated a story that excused him from what was just 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: one in a string of other home invasions. It's clear 20 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: which way this should have gone. With the official corruption 21 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: and misconduct the Prince George's county is well documented with 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: the media frenzy that ensued. The prosecution team all jockeyed 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: for ways to turn this justifiable shooting into an opportunity 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: for their own career advancement, with the appearance of upholding 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: equal standards of justice for those in law enforcement. While 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: the physical evidence from the investigation supported Keith's story of 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: self defense, they used the inconsistent story of a career 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: criminal to send an upstanding citizen away for forty five 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: years in prison. With the work of his legal team 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: along with Georgetown Universities making an axanner reprogram, Keith is 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 2: finally home after thirteen years, while he continues to fight 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: to clear his name. This is Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flamm. 33 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction. I'm your host, Jason Flamp 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: and today's episode, well, let me just say this before 35 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: I even introduce our two incredible guests today. Our producer 36 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: Connor Hall is an excellent researcher. But when he sent 37 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: me the research on this case, and I was already 38 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: familiar with the case, but I read it twice and 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: I went, now, there's gotta be mistakes here. This can't 40 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 2: be the way it is. But it's all true, and 41 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: you're gonna hear the story straight from the mouth of 42 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: the person who lived it. And I'm referring to Keith Washington. Keith, 43 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: I'm sorry you're here because of the reason that you're here, 44 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: but I'm very, very honored to have you on this 45 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: show today. 46 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: Well, listen, Jason, thanks for having me. I'm more than 47 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: happy to be here. And with the help of a 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: lot of good people, Marty, that's the reason I'm here 49 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: right now. 50 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: And speaking of Marty, Marty Tanklft, my great friend and 51 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: personal hero, has been on the show several times. Actually, 52 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: his own story is harrowing as a story he can get. 53 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: He was wrongfully convicted of the murder of his parents 54 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: and served seventeen years in prison and now but practicing 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: attorney and a co professor at Georgetown University. He teaches 56 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: the Making an exuner reclass, which had everything to do 57 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 2: with helping to get mister Washington out of prison. And 58 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: Marty is now Keith Washington's attorney. It's a full circle story, 59 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: but it's not over yet. But anyway, Marty, it's so 60 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: fucking great to have you on the show in this role. 61 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 4: Thank you, Jason. It's always an honor and a pleasure 62 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 4: to come on the show as we continue the fight 63 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: for justice for so many individuals out there. And when 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: you hear Keith's story, I think people will just be floored. 65 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: I couldn't said it better. If this happened to Keith Washington, 66 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: who is the very definition of an American hero, then 67 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: it can happen to anyone. And when I say that, 68 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: Keith was a lieutenant colonel in the United States Army, 69 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: served over for twenty five years with honor, speaks five languages, 70 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 2: attended some of the foremost military schools in the country, 71 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: and everyone's lost count of how many awards and citations 72 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: he's received for his service to our country. Upon returning home, 73 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: Keith rose up in the ranks of the police department, 74 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: served as a police officer for seventeen years with distinction. 75 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: Never fired your weapon. I know that you were serving 76 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 2: as a Homeland security official as well. And by the way, 77 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: when this happened, the father of a six year old 78 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: girl happily married I mean, like, what am I missing here? 79 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: You almost sound too good to be true? What are 80 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: your flaws? Hey? 81 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: Listen, you know, I thank you for that introduction, and 82 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: I thank you for those comments. But I'm just an 83 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: average guy that worked hard all his life and tried 84 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: to do the right thing. 85 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: So Keith, tell us about your upgringing. You came from 86 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: a single mother, right, but give us a little bit 87 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: of background if you don't mind. 88 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: Listen, I've had a job since I was thirteen years old. 89 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: My mother and father separated, and at that time I 90 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: became the man of the house, so to speak. 91 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 5: And so I had a paper. 92 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: Route every morning from five am on my bicycle with 93 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: my mother and I sometimes in the rain, the snow, 94 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: whatever the conditions were. And so about seven thirty eight 95 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning, we'd finished and then I'd head 96 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: off the school. At some point in time, my mother 97 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 3: suffered a serious illness. My three sisters had to go 98 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: live with relatives. My mother spent five years in a 99 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: mill institution, and so as a sixteen year old kid, 100 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: I was homeless and just sleep in the car, still 101 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: going to school though every morning. At the end of 102 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: my senior year, I saw a couple of friends of mine. 103 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: I asked where they're going, and they said, hey, we're 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: going to join the Army. Just that quickly, I said, 105 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: I'm going with you. And so I want to say 106 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 3: that everything I've ever done or acquired in my life, 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: I owe it to the Army, to the values they taught. 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 5: It was the best thing that could have happened to me. 109 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: Ever, from that, I grew into a man stationed over 110 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: in Korea for a year and a half as a teenager. 111 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: When I came back, I decided I want to go 112 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: to college. I went to college at Northwestern State University. 113 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: I joined an RTC program. I got commissioned as a 114 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: second lieutenant. After three and a half years in the Army, 115 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: I graduated and I was sent to Fort Benning, Georgia, 116 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 3: home with the Infantry. 117 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 5: Completed a few. 118 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: Schools there Airborne School, Infantry Officer Basic Course, a Giant F. 119 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: Kennedy School of Special Warfare, few terrorism schools, and assigned 120 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 3: in Special Operations Command. I couldn't believe my life how 121 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 3: within a short almost ten year period had really changed. 122 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: Based on the opportunities that the military had provided me. 123 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: Around nineteen ninety eleven years later, I joined the police department. 124 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: I'm Prince Georgia's and ultimately, after nine to eleven, based 125 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: on my background, I was selected to be Deputy Director 126 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: of Homeman Security for Pristig's County, and I was just 127 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 3: willing to do what it took to accomplass whatever was 128 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: before me. 129 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: It's an amazing story. I mean, you transcended and triumphed 130 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: over tough circumstances. I'm not a strong enough way of 131 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: saying it. I mean, and you ended up giving back 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: as well, volunteering at the Cane River Children's Home. I mean, 133 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: it's really inspiring and it should have played out in 134 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: the way that you deserve, which was to go on 135 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: and have a happy, productive life and ultimately, you know, 136 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: retire and have a bunch of grandchildren maybe and then 137 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: you know, play some golf whatever. And then, of course, 138 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: as we know, and as Marty knows intimately as well, 139 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: everything can change in a second. And so it did 140 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: on January twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. Marty, can 141 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: you take us through what happened that awful night? 142 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: Sure? Absolutely so. To put it simply, he defended himself, 143 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: his wife and daughter, and tragically instead of being labeled 144 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: a hero like a criminal. To walk you through what 145 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: happened that day, Keith had taken the day off from 146 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: work to accept a furniture delivery from marlow Furniture, and 147 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 4: he was home with his wife, Stacy and his very 148 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: young daughter, Kayla. The day passed, still no furniture. He 149 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: called Marlowe. They assured him that the delivery would arrive 150 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: that night. Finally, during dinner, the delivery men, Brandon Clark 151 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 4: and Robert White arrived. These are furniture movers, some really 152 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: big guys. And it's a misnomer to call Robert White 153 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: a furniture mover to begin with, because he wasn't even 154 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: employed by Marlo Furniture at all. Instead, he was Brandon 155 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: Clark's cousin. But the appearance was at that time he 156 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 4: worked for Marlo Furniture. Delivery was meant for the master 157 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 4: bedroom of the first floor, and at some point Keith 158 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 4: recognized that one of the men, Robert White, is not 159 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: with him anymore. And Keith was there and he can 160 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,359 Speaker 4: give you more of the details. 161 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: Brandon Clark was distracting me while Robert White was in 162 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: my daughter's bedroom. I could hear the squeaking floorboards in 163 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: my door his bedroom, because I know the sound of 164 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: my house. And I asked the guy, I said, where's 165 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: your friend? And he wouldn't answer, you know, he just 166 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 3: kept giving me a frivolous answer and tried to brush 167 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: me off. And so I look and I see him 168 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 3: poke his head out of my daughter's bedroom, and I said, 169 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 3: what are you doing in there? Come out of there. 170 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 3: He halfway comes out. So I walked toward him. I said, hey, 171 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: leave my house. You guys, get out of my house. 172 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: And as I got close enough to him, the other 173 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: guy punched me in the back of the head, and 174 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: then White attacked me from the side. So I'm fighting 175 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: two guys in my house, complete strangers, within three minutes 176 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: of entering my house. 177 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 5: You know. We were on the ground, on the. 178 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: Floor, I should say, and the guy, Clark was kicking 179 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: me while I was on the floor. Clark's six foot eight, 180 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 3: three hundred and thirty pounds and Robert White six foot two, 181 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,119 Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty pounds, and I'm five nine five, 182 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: So he's attacking me like kicking me. I pulled my 183 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: service revolver, I fired, and I struck both of them. 184 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: The assault ceased later Clark died and Robert White lived. 185 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: And as I think about this story, and as a 186 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: father myself, I mean, and I think everybody can relate 187 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: to this. You would do anything to protect your kids. 188 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: We all would, And I'm trying to put myself in 189 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: your shoes. At that moment. You're being brutally viciously attacked 190 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 2: right there in your own home, and your wife and 191 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: young daughter are right downstairs. These two men are beating 192 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: you like and they're winning because you had no shots. Combined, 193 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: they weighed four times as much as you did, and 194 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 2: they kicked you so hard that your watch broke, it 195 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: flew off of your wrist. I mean, this is a 196 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: life and death situation, and you had a grim choice 197 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: to make. Am I getting this right? 198 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 5: No, you're right. Listen. 199 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 3: My wife and my six year old daughter were home, 200 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: and I knew that if I didn't survive, who knows 201 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: what would have happened it. In five minutes earlier, we 202 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: were having dinner and just sitting around laughing and joking. 203 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: And five minutes later, I'm wrestling two strangers fighting two 204 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: strangers on the floor in my own home. 205 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 5: That's how quickly this thing unfolded. 206 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a heroin thought, but you're a drilling 207 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: kicks in and you do what you gotta do. 208 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: This episode is underwritten by AIG, a leading global insurance company, 209 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: and by Accentsure, a global professional services company with leading 210 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 2: capabilities in digital, cloud and security. 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Eventually everyone's taken to the hospital. 220 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: What happened next? 221 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: So when they got to the hospital that night, I 222 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: guess about fifteen to twenty cops were there, alan the 223 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: detectives in charge of a homicide division, and they were 224 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: trying to. 225 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 5: Interview Robert White, and White played at the fifth amendment. 226 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: He refused to talk to the police. He refused to 227 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 3: give a statement. He refused to say what happened. Subsequently, 228 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: what we found out is that he did not work 229 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: for the French and Delivery company and that he was 230 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: picked up on the side of the road by Clark 231 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: and brought to my house Alan a couple of other 232 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 3: houses for the best I can tell, other people have 233 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: said that they were casing houses. White has several burglary 234 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: convictions and several convictions for fencing stolen property. So anyway, 235 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: the state's attorney was aware of all that information also 236 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: mister White, as I said, the fifth and the state's 237 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: attorney in charge of the case, Glenn Ivy, informing two 238 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: detectives at the hospital not to arrest Robert White under 239 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: any circumstances out of the blue, that they had never 240 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: seen a sitting state's attorney, a sitting prosecutor come to 241 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: the hospital until the police not to arrest a career criminal, 242 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: a suspect in a shooting and an assault, and they 243 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: could leave, which they did after he informed them that 244 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: they were not to interview mister White or even talk 245 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: to him. 246 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: It's so so bizarre, I mean, because obviously Robert White 247 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: had a lot to gain. First by his silence and 248 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: then by lying, because if Keith was not guilty, then 249 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: he and Brandon Clarke were, which wouldn't be hard to 250 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: believe with White's twelve that's twelve previous convictions, including assault 251 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: and battery, unlawful entry, larceny, grand largely receiving stolen goods, 252 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: attempted third degree burglary, first degree burglary pointing a firearm, 253 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: domestic violence, and first degreef sexual assault, for which he 254 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 2: had served ten years. He also had over twenty additional 255 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: arrests for crimes ranging from peeping tom to attempted murder, 256 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: but the state's attorney, Glenn Ivy, who eventually ran for Congress, 257 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: purposefully turned a blind eye to all of that and 258 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: instead focused on Keith. 259 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: They trying to dig something up that they could use 260 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 4: against Keith, analyzing DNA, fiber transfer, gunshot residue, spenshell, casing's 261 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: telephone records, nine one one cole, and so much more. 262 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: All of the evidents, of course, didn't show them what 263 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 4: they were looking for, but what it did show was 264 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: that Keith had acted in self defense and he'd never 265 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: should have been charged. 266 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: And then, despite the clear nature of this incident, twelve 267 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: time convicted felon Robert White's flow of inconsistent statements. Let 268 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: me repraise that Robert White's flow of total bullshit went 269 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: totally unchecked. So they're just ignoring this career criminal who's 270 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: a real menace to society. And then here comes the kicker. 271 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: Robert White filed a civil action against you, Keith and 272 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: Prince George's county, seeking ready four hundred million dollars in 273 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: damages arising out of the shooting. Wow, it was dismissed, surprise, surprise, 274 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: but not before garnering a serious amount of media coverage. 275 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: It also comes out later that someone else had filed 276 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: that hand fisted civil action on White's behalf, perhaps someone 277 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: who maybe wanted to draw a ton of media coverage, 278 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: like a person who wanted to show what a bulwark 279 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: of justice they were by holding a decorated veteran law 280 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: enforcement officer and Homeland security official to account for what 281 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: was alleged to be an unjustified shooting. And by the way, 282 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: if it were the case that this was some trigger 283 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: happy cop, I'd be the first one to say justice 284 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: should be applied equally. But that's just not what this was. 285 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: And they fucking knew it. So this media attention ramps 286 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: up to public pressure, and the prosecution is aiming to 287 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: score big political points and advance their careers if they 288 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: bring home the win. And that's not me editorializing. Both 289 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: prosecutors were overheard saying things to that effect. And I'm 290 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: talking about prosecutors Joseph Wright and William Mumu who had 291 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: all the information and evidence proving Keith's use of self defense, 292 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: and yet they still argued that the shootings were unprovoked 293 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: and unjustified. The state allowed Robert White to create his 294 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: own version of events where Keith was unattacked, unprovoked, where 295 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: you hadn't been stomped on and kicked, where you hadn't 296 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: exhausted all other options before pulling out your service revolver. 297 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: They used this testimony that changed every time White recounted 298 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: the incident, every time Keith, Can you take us through 299 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: some of the evidence that should have ended this prosecution 300 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: before it started. 301 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: They had the evidence. The lead investigator, Lieutenant Charlie Walls, 302 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: briefed them he had the DNA evidence, the gunshot residue 303 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: evidence to trace fiber evidence from the clothing. They said 304 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 3: they never touched me well, I said he was kicking me. 305 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: I was on the ground. He was kicking when I 306 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 3: shot him. The clothing fiber evidence showed the fibers from 307 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: my shirt invest on his pants lit. So they had 308 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: that evidence that contradicted his statement. They had the gunshot residue. 309 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: He said that they were shot from across the room. 310 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: The gunshot residue test done by the ATF show that 311 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: he was shot from three inches away three to twelve inches. 312 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 3: He said he shot from across the room. They resisted 313 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: the room and a minimum of eight feet which wouldn't 314 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: have left any gunshot resident. He said he called my house. 315 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: They had the phone records they showed he never called 316 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 3: my house before they arrived. They said that he was 317 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: a delivery man for Marlo's Furniture. Marlow's Furniture had given 318 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 3: them a statement the human resources director, miss A Kila 319 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: Ross that not only does he not work for them, 320 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: that they've never heard of him or never seen him, 321 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 3: and that Martels would never hire sex offenders to work 322 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: in their delivery trucks because their insurance wouldn't cover. They 323 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 3: had the toxicology report that showed that he was on 324 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 3: cocaine the two States attorney denied that the toxicology test was. 325 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 5: Ever even given on Robert White. 326 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: They proffered to the court, to the jury, and to 327 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: the general public that he was in a ploy Mordels furniture, 328 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: that he was not a restrosex offender. All of these 329 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: things in Moore happened in my trial by these two prosecutors. 330 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a litany of hers. Right. We 331 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: have a prosecution team that is hell bent on convicting 332 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: an innocent man while protecting a guilty one, and they 333 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: had all of the evidence pointing to Keith's version of 334 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: the events, clearly contradicting what Robert White testified to. White 335 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: maintained that neither he nor Clark were close enough to 336 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: Keith to assault him when he shot them. Now we've 337 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 2: mentioned the gunshot residue and what that meant, but also 338 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: White's DNA was found on Keith's gun, Clark's pidfibers were 339 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: found on Keith's vest from when he was kicking him. 340 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: Neither of these things can happen from across the freaking room. 341 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 4: None of the spens shell casings recovered by technicians were 342 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: located even near the master bedroom where Robert White said 343 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 4: Keith was allegedly standing when he shot them. Instead, the 344 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: casings were recovered from the middle of the upstairs hallway 345 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: and whole bathroom, where Keith and Stace had maintained that 346 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 4: the altercation had taken place. 347 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: But the prosecution doubled down on the lie. Listen to this. 348 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: The prosecutors made thirty one false and misleading statements throughout 349 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: the trial that were objected to and sustained. These were 350 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: obviously meant to intentionally mislead throw off the jurors. There 351 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: were nine objections to statements made by prosecutor Joseph Wright 352 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: during his closing argument alone, including that Robert White had 353 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: only one conviction and that there was no cocaine test 354 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 2: given to Robert White. These were just straight up lies. 355 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 2: His criminal record and toxicology report were absolutely available, yet 356 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: the jury was not made aware of them. This is 357 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: just so nuts. It's so wrong. White had denied under 358 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: oath to the grand jury about being a sex offender, 359 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: which the prosecutors allowed him to do. The state's attorney 360 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: in charge of the case knew all of this. The prosecutor, 361 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: William Mumau, later said, he said, we put Robert White 362 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 2: on the stand he was a witness of ours. But 363 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: you'll never see me standing in front of a jury 364 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 2: saying that this witness says the truth. Wow. Are you 365 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: fucking getting me with this shit? Wow? And certainly if 366 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: the jury would have learned those things, it would have 367 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: had a real impact on the outcome of the trial. 368 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: But they didn't get to know these things. They weren't presented, 369 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: and these jurors were not mind readers. So for all 370 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: the jury knew Robert White and Brandon Clark, which is 371 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: too humble furniture delivery man who had the misfortune of 372 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: came to the home of a trigger happy cop, a 373 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 2: trigger happy cop who had never used his gun before, 374 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: by the way, so let's not leave that out. And 375 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: on February thirteenth, two thousand and eight, clearly the prosecution's 376 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: lies and manipulations worked. The jury found you guilty, Keith. 377 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: And what was that very moment, like I mean, when 378 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: you when you heard the word guilty and then when 379 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: they sentence you to over two times the maximum sentence. 380 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 5: As it relates to the moment the jury came back 381 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 5: with the conviction. I watched my. 382 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: Wife cry, I watched my daughter cry, the guy put 383 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: handcuffs on me. I watched my sister cry. I watched 384 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: a lot of friends and relatives, you know, I felt 385 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: bad for them. The pre sence investigation came back with 386 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: a minimum of five years in a maximum of twenty years, 387 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: and the judge gave me a forty five year sentence. 388 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 5: He went over one. 389 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 3: Hundred percent past the maximum sentence that was recommended, and 390 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: he went over nine hundred percent passed the minimum sentence 391 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: that was recommended, which was five years. And I don't 392 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: think anyone's ever receive the forty five year sentence for 393 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: involuntary man's form. In prison, you're either World four sheep, 394 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: especially in the maximum security state prison. And so the fights, 395 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: the stabbings, the gangs, the deaths, the atrocious conditions, the 396 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: mental stress, the anxiety, you name it. And you know, 397 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: no matter what happens to me, I'm fine with what 398 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 3: happens to me. But I knew that my family was 399 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 3: going to go through the fire with me, because when 400 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 3: a family member goes to prison, you know, in actuality, 401 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: the whole. 402 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 5: Family goes to prison. Their life stops too. It was 403 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 5: my family that suffered. Listen. 404 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: It was the worst feeling I'd ever had, and I 405 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 3: knew that I was going to fight like hell and 406 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: get it out of prison. Every minute, every second, every eye, 407 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: every day that I was just gonna fight. 408 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 5: I didn't know anything else to do. I was gonna 409 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 5: work on my case. 410 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: I had twelve volumes of transcripts, and so I talked 411 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: to my wife on the phone every day for about 412 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 3: two years. I would dictate Robert White's testimony to her 413 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 3: over the phone and she would type it. I would 414 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: sit up at night and go over his testimony, get 415 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: all the contradicting statements and put them together out of 416 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 3: those twelve volumes, which was about almost twenty five hundred pages. 417 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 5: And then we. 418 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 3: Put a website after about two years of doing that, 419 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 3: because I wanted transparency in the case, to show people 420 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: that everything they said was false and that it was 421 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: intentionally false. There's two attorneys in the case, William MoU 422 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: Mal and Joseph Wright. We found out nine months after 423 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: my conviction they had hidden just tons of evidence and 424 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: lie about evidence that their own witnesses, their own state experts, 425 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 3: had collected and given to them. Numerous people, including states 426 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: attorneys other prosecutors in that office, came forward with statements 427 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: that they had told their boss, Hey, they falsified the 428 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: evidence in mister Washington's case, they willingly manipulated light, falsify 429 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 3: the evidence, and that mister White is not telling the 430 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 3: truth on any of the issues according to the physical, forensic, 431 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: and scientific evidence. 432 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 5: Mister Ivy, he. 433 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: Told my wife that I got a raw deal, but 434 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 3: he told her privately that there was nothing he would 435 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: do because it would affect his wife's political career with 436 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 3: the time was a state. 437 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: Delegate, Jesus Christ. And to add another insult to injury, 438 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: after you were wrongfully convicted, Robert White was arrested on 439 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: two more occasions for breaking into the homes of two 440 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: different women and physically assaulting both of them, which should 441 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: outrage all of us. These other incidents didn't have to happen, 442 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: and they wouldn't have happened. They had a guy who 443 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: you think that anyone in their position right should want 444 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: off the street, anyone would want him off the street, 445 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: But instead they chose you. I mean, why was doing 446 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: what they were supposed to do? Just not a cooler 447 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 2: enough story. I mean, do you have any theories at 448 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: all on this? 449 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: Well as near as we can tell, and I believe 450 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: we can factually prove and provide to the current State's 451 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: Attorney that we have several officers of the court who 452 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: called my family and spoke with my family, and they've 453 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: illuminated the motive for this case where mister Wright allegedly 454 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: bragged to several other attorneys what he and mister Moonmou 455 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: were promised for bringing back a conviction. Mister Wright was 456 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: promised a political endorsement to run for State's Attorney by 457 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: his boss, and that mister Mouvemou was promised to Judge 458 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: h This is according to their colleagues in their very 459 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 3: own office, that mister Wright was bragging it he was 460 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 3: going to be the next States Attorney and he had 461 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 3: to deliver the Keith. 462 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 5: Washington conviction to do that. 463 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: That his boss, mister Ivy, used the case to run 464 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: for Congress in twenty ten, and that he was using 465 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: this case as he was tough on police corruption and 466 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 3: he ran for Congress on an issue using my case specifically. 467 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 3: And he even went to the police academy and spoke to 468 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: numerous people, including the cadets in the police academy, about 469 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: my case in police corruption and used me as a 470 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: whipping Boy while I was in prison, and so he 471 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 3: ran in twenty ten for Congress. 472 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 5: He didn't win. 473 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: He lost the primary. Joseph Wright ran for a sex 474 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: attorney twenty ten he also lost, and William Mumou put 475 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: in for his judge ship and didn't get it. Now, 476 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 3: a new administration came into office in twenty ten, and 477 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: so mister Ivy had to fulfill his promises to those 478 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: two guys, and he subsequently got Mumau a job as 479 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: an assistant US attorney. He didn't get him his judge ship, 480 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: but he got him a job as assistant US attorney 481 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: from what I'm told, and that mister Mumau's raise a 482 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 3: state's attorney in Prince Rode's County made about fifty five 483 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year. I'm assuming assistant US attorney makes 484 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: about one ten or one twenty somewhere around there as 485 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 3: a GS twelve or so as a significant raise. And 486 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 3: mister Wright was given a judge ship in twenty ten, 487 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 3: so his salary went from fifty five thousand to about 488 00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 3: one point. 489 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: Forty Holy actual fuck. I mean you're hearing this from 490 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: the people immediately around them who were directly involved in 491 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: the case. What about the investigators, I mean, they obviously 492 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: knew that this case was built on bullshitting lies as well, right. 493 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: Well, the lead investigator, Lieutenant Walls, he put on the 494 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 3: record that he attended at least three meetings where the 495 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 3: whole conversation between him and mister Wright and mister mumou 496 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: that all they talked about was falsifying the evidence before 497 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: the trial. 498 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 5: Mister Wall says he wouldn't go along with it. 499 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: After the meeting, Joseph Wright fired him from the case 500 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 3: and told him to turn over his case files and 501 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 3: they have no further contact with the case. After he 502 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 3: had collected the DNA, he had collected the gunshot residue, 503 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 3: Walls had collected the statements of individuals and homeowners who 504 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: had saw injuries on me Later, the state's Attorney's office 505 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 3: came to him and offered him a job as an investigator. 506 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 3: And it said Attorney's office that he could retire from 507 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 3: the police department, draw his pension, and come work for them, 508 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 3: come work for the very people who just. 509 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 5: Fired him from the case. 510 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: Wall says that he put in his paperwork to retire 511 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 3: from the police department and came back and worked for 512 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: the State Attorney's office as an investigator, obviously with a 513 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 3: significant raise, and enjoy your own conclusions. But I would 514 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: say it appears to be hush money, and Walo said it. 515 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 3: He'll tell anybody what actually happened if he's subpoena and 516 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 3: asked those questions. Another bit of good news is that 517 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 3: mister Wright is no longer a judge, that he was 518 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: convicted in twenty eighteen of perjury and falsifying government documents 519 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 3: by the Maryland Judicial Disability Board that was clearly people 520 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: with blind ambition winning to lie, cheater steal involved in 521 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 3: my case, Marty. 522 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, your amazing students in the Making Xannery 523 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: program there at Georgetown investigated Keith's case and made a 524 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: brilliant short documentary about it, and we're going to make 525 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: sure to include a link for that in the bio. 526 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: And their hard work has made such a phenomenal impact 527 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: on this case and so many others. So, Marty, if 528 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: you could just summarize for us how it is that 529 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: Keith is sitting here with us on the show today. 530 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 4: After extensive litigation, a retired judge was brought on to 531 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 4: review Keith's entire matter. On May fourteenth of twenty twenty one, 532 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 4: everyone got together and a hearing for a modification of 533 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 4: Keith's sentence was conducted based on the totality of everything 534 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 4: at that time, and it almost broke it down to 535 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 4: time served. Within a few short weeks after the judge 536 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: issuing that opinion, Keith was freed. I was there when 537 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 4: Keith walked out. Keith, where were you an hour and 538 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 4: a half ago? And where are you right now? 539 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 5: Hour and a half ago? 540 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 3: I was in a department correction space height to three 541 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 3: and now a home. 542 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: For my family And how's the field stakes? And Caylen 543 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 4: to have your husband and your dad home, it feels great. 544 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 5: It feels like I've been waiting on this for thirteen years. 545 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: And that right there is the sound of Keith freed 546 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: from prison, finally back with his family at his home. 547 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful sound. 548 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 4: We sat around in his backyard and we had pizza 549 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 4: and lemonade and enjoying the fresh air, and we were 550 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 4: just sitting there talking and at one point we kind 551 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 4: of just looked at each other like was this real? 552 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 4: You're trying to fathom the reality that Keith had just 553 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 4: spent over thirteen years in prison, and here we were 554 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 4: sitting in his backyard. There wasn't a bitterness about Keith 555 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 4: about Stacy, you know, there was pure love and joy. 556 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 4: Keith and Stacy have said to myself, Mark and the 557 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 4: students who worked on Keith's case that if we're ever 558 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 4: in the neighborhood and we don't stop by, they'll be 559 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 4: offended because we are family to that. And I think 560 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 4: that is something that just demonstrates Ethan Stacy are. They 561 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 4: are just truly genuine people. Their love is probably stronger 562 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 4: than ever. But even though Keith is free, the intentional, 563 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 4: wrongful conviction is still hanging over Keith's head, whichard shouldn't. 564 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: Be absolutely and Keith, There's been news both a really 565 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: long time ago as well as more recently that should 566 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: have a positive effect I'm bringing about justice in your case. 567 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: We already mentioned that Robert White, just weeks after your 568 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: trial was arrested not once, but twice for breaking into 569 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: homes and physically assaulting two women. And then there's been 570 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: some more recent news. 571 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 3: A district court commissioner here in Maryland issued an arrest 572 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 3: warrant for Robert White for perjury in my criminal trial. Wow, 573 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: So there's a rest warrant out for him as we speak, 574 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 3: you know, So hopefully this will facilitate the case being overturned. 575 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 3: And so now honest and reasonable and ethical people who 576 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: are reviewing the case and looking at it can see 577 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: that because there's no good expert nation legally or otherwise 578 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: as to how this happened. The current ST's attorney, Miss 579 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 3: Brave Boy, she reviewed the evidence and she saw that, hey, 580 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 3: this is an excessive sentence to say the least, notwithstanding 581 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 3: that there are other issues as it relates to an 582 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 3: integrity of mister Washington's conviction. And so we believe they're 583 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: going to do the right thing shortly, you know, will 584 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: turn it. Due to the fact that mister White now 585 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: has been charged with perjury in my case, we can 586 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 3: only be hopeful that justice will prevail in an expeditious 587 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: manner because it's been thirteen years. 588 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think justice is coming in your case. I'm 589 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: glad we're able to get the word out about it 590 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: through this podcast. We're going to be shouting it from 591 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: the rooftops. You've got an incredible team now, so I'm 592 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: sure many of our listeners are feeling the same way. 593 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: I'm feeling that this is outrageous even by the standards 594 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: of what we're used to hearing on the show, and 595 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: that they want to help if they can. Is there 596 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 2: a way that people can get involved? What can people do? 597 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: And we'll link whatever it is in the bio so 598 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: people can easily find it. 599 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 4: A few things the listeners can do is demand that 600 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 4: I U should Brave Boy meet with us and vindicate 601 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 4: Keith and dismiss his conviction. I think people can support 602 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 4: them making an exonery program and anything Keith needs, because 603 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 4: one thing that I think we as a society fail 604 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 4: to really address and understand is that each year, innocent 605 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 4: men and women get released from prison by exoneration and 606 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 4: they connect with nothing. In many cases, there is literally 607 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 4: no programs available that help individuals reacclimate. If not for 608 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 4: the grace of God that some of those people that 609 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 4: get out have family and friends, I don't know what 610 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 4: those men and women would do. Imagine being locked up 611 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 4: for fifteen twenty years, coming out and having nothing, no underwear, 612 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 4: no soap, no shampoo, no toothbrushes, no toothpaste. Anything. We 613 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 4: as a society can do more. I think the corporations 614 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 4: of America can do more. Thankfully, Keith does have an 615 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 4: amazing wife and daughter, but not everyone is lucky and 616 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 4: fortunate to have that. 617 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 5: Well. 618 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 3: I would ask people to go to the one Innocentman 619 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 3: dot org website and familiarize himself with the case and 620 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 3: the evidence and the facts, and as Marty said, to 621 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 3: call missus bray Boy's office hand Upper Marlborough, Maryland and 622 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 3: implore her to go ahead and overturn the case. The 623 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 3: other thing, if you would, we'd like to give Georgetown 624 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: all the kudos that they deserve because they're doing great work. 625 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 3: Whatever we can do to support them, that's what we're 626 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: going to do. 627 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 4: On Keith's page one Incanman dot org, which was created 628 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 4: by the three students at Georgetown, there is a donate 629 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 4: button which links directly to Keith's go fundme page. Who 630 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 4: were the three students that worked on your case and 631 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 4: created the website? 632 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 3: Because I know they are party or family, Josh, Selene 633 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 3: and Trevor. 634 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 2: All right, Josh, Selene and Trevor shout out from the 635 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: wrongful conviction team and from the man himself or the 636 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 2: two men themselves and me keep doing the great work. 637 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 2: I'm really proud of all the kids in the Making 638 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: Zannery program. It's been a privilege for me to work 639 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 2: with them and lecture at the school and stuff. So 640 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: with that, we will now turn to the closing of 641 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: the show, which is called Closing Arguments, and this is 642 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: the part of the show that I always look forward to. 643 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 2: First of all, thank you again Keith for your courage, 644 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 2: for your service, for being here with us to share 645 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: your incredible story. And of course, Marty Tanklive. What can 646 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: I say, Man, you just never cease to amaze me. 647 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 2: And I'm so proud to call you my friend, and 648 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: I really appreciate both of you being here. And now 649 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: closing Arguments works like this. I turned my microphone off, 650 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 2: kick back in my chair, close my eyes and just 651 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: listen to any final thoughts that you want to share. Marty, 652 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 2: let's start with you and save Keith for the closing 653 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: of the closing arguments. 654 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 4: So for me, it's remarkable that I think back to 655 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 4: when I was sitting in a prison myself serving fifty 656 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 4: years to life, and finally in two thousand and seven, 657 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 4: I was freed. And now it's twenty twenty one and 658 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 4: here I am an attorney after a professor at Georgetown 659 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 4: and to our law school, and I get to have 660 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 4: the opportunity to pay it forward and give people back 661 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 4: their lives. I thank Jason and I think the entire 662 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 4: Wrongful Deviction Team because it makes people understand the criminal 663 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 4: justice system in ways that people don't want to believe exist. 664 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 4: We wouldn't fully grasp how many problems or system has 665 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 4: And Jason has been a blessing for the making Exiginerary 666 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 4: program at Georgetown, and for that we are grateful. And 667 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 4: I would be remiss if I didn't say thank you Mark, 668 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 4: who's my partner in doing this at Georgetown, Because with 669 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 4: Mark and our amazing students, we are making a difference 670 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 4: in people's lives, and I think it's the best thing 671 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 4: that you can actually do. I'm always reminded by something 672 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 4: that Joseph Flahm told Jason Flohm, and that's do something 673 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 4: you love that leads a lasting impression and makes a difference. 674 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 4: And if helping students get somebody out of prison doesn't 675 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 4: fulfill that mantra, not really sure what does. 676 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 2: Keith. 677 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 3: I learned a long time ago that we all have 678 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 3: our crosses to bear, we all go through difficult times, 679 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 3: We're all based on certainty in our future. We all 680 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 3: fight for a better life for ourselves and our family, 681 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: and we've all been hurt and wounded and abandoned. But 682 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 3: you can't give up. And I will tell people never 683 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 3: give up. You're only facing a challenge in your life 684 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 3: that other men have met, and so be of good courage, 685 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 3: be strong of character, and of will, have faith, do 686 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 3: what you must. Love your family, love your life, beautify 687 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 3: your life. When people take your faith, they've really taken 688 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 3: everything that you possess. When they take your courage, they've 689 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 3: taken everything that you possess. 690 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 5: So without faith and courage, you're just an empty vessel. 691 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 3: All I want to leave people with is to know 692 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 3: that there are people of good will out there. 693 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 5: There are people who are just, who are honest, There 694 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 5: are people who have integrity. 695 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 3: There are people who will fight for you because they 696 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 3: believe in what's right, and I want to applaud those people. 697 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 3: We are kindred spirits, and so wherever you find a 698 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 3: person like that, support them. 699 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 5: Believe that they're going to. 700 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,879 Speaker 3: Support you if I can help anyone, Because I've been 701 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 3: helped in my life. This has taught me a valuable lesson. 702 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 3: No matter what myself and my family's gone through. We 703 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 3: want to be a light to others. I appreciate everything 704 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 3: that people at Georgetown have done, Marty, Mark Selene, Josh Trevor. 705 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 3: I appreciate the Exoneration Program listen. I appreciate you. Jason. 706 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 3: I appreciate your podcast. I just want to leave the 707 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 3: people who. 708 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 5: Are listening to your program with something to think about. 709 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 3: You are what makes this country great, all of us, 710 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 3: and so if there's a deficit somewhere, it's up to 711 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 3: us to fix it no matter where we find it, 712 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 3: and try to leave a better place, a better country, 713 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 3: a better society for the next generation. My wounds will heal, 714 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 3: and so we'll use this as a lesson to be 715 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 3: remembered and learned, and we're going to build from there. 716 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 3: I thank you guys for the platform. 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