WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How The Black Panther Party Worked

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, it's me Josh and for this week's s

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<v Speaker 1>Y s K Selects, I've chosen how the Black Panther

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<v Speaker 1>Party worked, and I think you probably know why I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of people listen to stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely not a time to be silent. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that you will listen to this episode about

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the struggle for civil rights and human

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<v Speaker 1>rights that black people in America have had to undertake,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it helps you understand better the struggle that's

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<v Speaker 1>better place. Just being a Stuff you Should Know listener

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<v Speaker 1>hearts and your minds to all the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to teach us right now. Thanks for listening, and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for listening. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a

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<v Speaker 1>production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles

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<v Speaker 1>W Chuck Bryant. It's just the two of us, no

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<v Speaker 1>producer today. We're producer free, just the two of us.

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<v Speaker 1>We can make it if we try, and let's try. Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I right, I think we're both pretty excited

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<v Speaker 1>about this one. Yeah, this, This is gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. I love my history, as do you sure,

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<v Speaker 1>especially contemporary history, and especially history that I didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>taught in high school. I don't remember learning much about

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Panthers in high school. None. So Charles, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't know much about the Black Panthers. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>either a little bit. Yeah, I would guess we were

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<v Speaker 1>probably in about the same the same boat, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to college. Yeah, I don't recall learning much

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<v Speaker 1>in college about them either, but I guess, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I knew a little bit here, there's some of the highlights.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was it was in researching that I realized,

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<v Speaker 1>like just how much if you if you don't actually

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<v Speaker 1>go research it, just how how completely wrong a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this stuff is, And not just in detail, but

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<v Speaker 1>in like overall tone, you know, like you get the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that, um, the Black Panthers were, um, nothing but

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<v Speaker 1>like racist terrorists who basically wanted to kill all whites

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<v Speaker 1>and take over the White House. No, no, not really.

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<v Speaker 1>And and after further digging, it turns out that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that image that that most people have today

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<v Speaker 1>who don't really know much about the Black Panthers, um

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<v Speaker 1>that idea comes from a misinformation and smear campaign carried

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<v Speaker 1>out very purposefully by the FBI back in the sixties

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<v Speaker 1>and seventies. Yes, by boy, I mean, let's just call

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<v Speaker 1>him divisive at at the risk of smearing someone. But

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<v Speaker 1>has there ever been a more divisive individual in this country?

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps well, who knows now, but j Edgar Hoover. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, my god, FBI director for life. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I want to say, we should do a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast on him, but it would definitely be a two

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<v Speaker 1>parter because he worked for a hundred and eighty seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that we I should say, that smear campaign. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of other stuff to that campaign

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<v Speaker 1>as well, beyond just smearing um. But it had a

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<v Speaker 1>name coin tel Pro counter intelligence program and um that

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<v Speaker 1>in and of itself deserves its own one or two

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<v Speaker 1>parter episode two. Yeah. I mean, at one point jed

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<v Speaker 1>Ger Hoover came out in the news and said that

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Panther Party was the single greatest threat to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States of America. Uh right, And this was

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<v Speaker 1>during the Vietnam War. Uh, I mean it for the uninformed, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, people you know thought all right? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was not. Coincidentally, from that point forward is

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<v Speaker 1>when the cops really were like, all right, we can

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<v Speaker 1>we truly don't have to even respect civil liberties. Liberties

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, we can go in and shoot people

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<v Speaker 1>in their sleep, right exactly. And what's crazy, Chuck is

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<v Speaker 1>when he said that it was less than three years

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<v Speaker 1>after the Black Panther Party was formed. Yeah, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the beginning. Actually, we'll go back before

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<v Speaker 1>even um, the founding of the Black Panthers, just to

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<v Speaker 1>provide some context. Right, So this is the roughly the

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<v Speaker 1>tail end of the Jim Crow era, right right before

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<v Speaker 1>right at the New Deal era. And um, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were black in America, your experience, whether it was in

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<v Speaker 1>the South where it was just even more openly in

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<v Speaker 1>eartly hostile um, or in the cities of the North,

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<v Speaker 1>you were probably um just statistically speaking, it was likely

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<v Speaker 1>that you were poor, that you um probably had routine

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you were a black man, especially a black

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<v Speaker 1>man under a certain age, that you were routinely mistreated, harassed, beaten,

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<v Speaker 1>or possibly murdered by police. Um. And there was a

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous amount of racial tension as a result. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not just up north. I mean we're talking pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>any major city, right, and but especially in the South

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<v Speaker 1>and the South. Actually, there was a guy whose name

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<v Speaker 1>was Robert Williams, and he was an n double a

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<v Speaker 1>CP leader in North Carolina, and he wrote a book

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<v Speaker 1>back in I think nineteen sixty five, and he called

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<v Speaker 1>it Negroes with Guns and advocated blacks arming themselves and

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<v Speaker 1>carrying out violence in self defense, uh, in the face

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<v Speaker 1>of this um racial mistreatment. Right. And he Williams actually

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<v Speaker 1>kind of codified or enshrined into book form this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that was pretty predominant among Southern blacks. It was like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>this this is stuff is real, and we need to

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<v Speaker 1>defend ourselves. And that idea spread a little bit to

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<v Speaker 1>the cities here there, and um, it germinated in the

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<v Speaker 1>minds of a couple of guys, a couple of college

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<v Speaker 1>kids in Oakland named Bobby Seal and um Hughey Newton, Yes, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and they officially formed it was called the Black Panther

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<v Speaker 1>Party for Self Defense. Initially it was eventually truncated, uh

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<v Speaker 1>in Oakland in nine and there well, well you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go through there because they had like sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a roller coaster ride of as far as what they

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<v Speaker 1>did as a group and as a party, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>initially kind of the whole whole thing was self defense.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to defend ourselves against police brutality, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>this non violent civil rights movement is is great. We

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<v Speaker 1>love Martin Luther King Jr. And what he's doing, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's going too slowly and in the meantime, we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>beaten and killed in the streets by law enforcement. So

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do something. We need to be proactive

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<v Speaker 1>and do something about that, right exactly. Robert Williams may

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<v Speaker 1>have written the book, but that the the the guys

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<v Speaker 1>who formed the Black Panthers, Seal and Newton, they one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first UM black rights group to advocate militancy,

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<v Speaker 1>although again you have to point out like they advocated

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<v Speaker 1>um violence and self defense, not aggression, right, yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why they specifically chose UM the Black Panther as

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<v Speaker 1>their Uh, I guess you'd say mascot, but as their

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<v Speaker 1>name mascot makes it sound like a baseball game or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, there's a quote here from Bobby Seal, co founder,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said that Hughey Newton said, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>nature or a panther. I looked it up. If you

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<v Speaker 1>push it into a corner, that panther is going to

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<v Speaker 1>try and move left or right to get you to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of the way. But if you keep pushing

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<v Speaker 1>back into that corner, sooner or later, that panther is

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<v Speaker 1>going to come out of that corner and try and

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<v Speaker 1>wipe out who keeps oppressing in that corner. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of the idea, like, hey, listen, we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sidestep, we're trying to do the right thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you keep coming at us, then we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>defend ourselves. Yeah, exactly. And and again they were the

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<v Speaker 1>first people to come up with this, and they looked

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<v Speaker 1>around and kind of surveyed the black rights movements that

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<v Speaker 1>were around. There were um and they kind of said,

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<v Speaker 1>this one works a little bit, but um, that part

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<v Speaker 1>of it doesn't work, or this this one we we

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<v Speaker 1>don't agree with, but it's a nice sentiment. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>MLK nonviolent UM civil rights movement, they like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>they said, this isn't working. It's not happening fast enough

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<v Speaker 1>for it's not happening at all. UM. And some other

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<v Speaker 1>groups and people like Stokely Car Michael and H. Ratt Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>who were the heads of the Non Violent Student Coordinating Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>were some of the first Black leaders to to publicly

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<v Speaker 1>break with mlk's non violent theory and say, no, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to meet violence with violence. Um. Malcolm X was

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<v Speaker 1>another one, and Malcolm X probably had the biggest influence

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<v Speaker 1>on the Black Panther ideology than anybody else. He advocated

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<v Speaker 1>black militancy that included violence. He advocated um black self

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<v Speaker 1>sufficiency and dignity, but he didn't necessarily say, um, you

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<v Speaker 1>you were only going to advance with the helps of

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<v Speaker 1>other blacks. We need to exclude whites or other um

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<v Speaker 1>races from our struggle. And the Black Panthers is specifically

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<v Speaker 1>Huey Newton and Bobby Seal really identified with that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was actually that became one of the hallmarks of

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Panthers that they were willing to work with

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<v Speaker 1>other like minded groups regardless of race. So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of a big one that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>aware of that I learned from this um And then

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<v Speaker 1>the other aspect of Malcolm X that really formed like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the foundation keystones of the Black Panther ideology

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<v Speaker 1>is that it wasn't race that was the problem, It

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<v Speaker 1>was um class. They were basically avowed Marxists right that

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<v Speaker 1>the central, the the central issue that created the struggle

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<v Speaker 1>UM was was class was capitalism, and that the white

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<v Speaker 1>establishment and the police and the government were keepers of

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<v Speaker 1>the capitalist structure, and that same capitalist structure was keeping

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<v Speaker 1>the black pants, the black people in America down, and

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<v Speaker 1>so to get to to rise up, to become self sufficient,

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<v Speaker 1>to get that chance that they needed to grow and

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<v Speaker 1>advance themselves, they had to get rid of the capitalist

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<v Speaker 1>structure itself. Yeah, they were very much into the socialist ideal,

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<v Speaker 1>and um one of the first things they did was

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<v Speaker 1>they realized they needed sort of a foundation on which

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<v Speaker 1>to build upon, something easily adjustable, that people could could

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<v Speaker 1>look at and could read and understand what they're all about.

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<v Speaker 1>So very smartly, early on they came up with a

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<v Speaker 1>very specific what they call their tin point program, what

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<v Speaker 1>we want and what we believe, and uh, they wrote

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<v Speaker 1>this out. We're going to read them in a second,

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<v Speaker 1>but they wrote them out and then immediately printed them

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<v Speaker 1>on a thousand sheets of paper, and uh set up

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<v Speaker 1>an office and started passing these things around. This office

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<v Speaker 1>was in Oakland, which is where you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we already said where they founded and um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they basically quit their jobs. Every member of the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Panther Party was a full time I guess you could

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<v Speaker 1>say employee, but full time worker. Yeah. Remember, And um

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<v Speaker 1>they gathered their paychecks, the few guys at the very

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<v Speaker 1>beginning and rented an old shop storefront base and started

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<v Speaker 1>handing out this ten point program. Yeah they did. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go over the program first, Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>might as well just go ahead and read all ten Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>so everybody knows what we're talking about, right. Uh. Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>we want freedom. We want power to determine the destiny

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<v Speaker 1>of our black community. We believe that black people will

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<v Speaker 1>not be free until we are able to determine our destiny. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two, we want full employment for our people. We

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to

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<v Speaker 1>give every man employment or guaranteed income. We believe that

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<v Speaker 1>if the white American businessmen will not give full employment,

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<v Speaker 1>then the means of production should be taken from the

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<v Speaker 1>business men and placed in the community so that the

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<v Speaker 1>people of the community can organize and employ all of

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<v Speaker 1>its people and give it a high standard of living.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh number three, we want an end to the robbery

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<v Speaker 1>by the white man of our black community. We believe

0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that this racist government has robbed us and now we

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<v Speaker 1>are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres. In two mules.

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<v Speaker 1>Number four, we want decent housing fit for shelter of

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<v Speaker 1>human beings. We believe that if white landlords will not

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<v Speaker 1>give decent housing to our black community, then the housing

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<v Speaker 1>and the land should be made into cooperatives of their

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<v Speaker 1>community with government aid, can build and make decent housing

0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.719
<v Speaker 1>for its people. Yeah, and this that was a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you'll see, a lot of what they were

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<v Speaker 1>after was just like the ability to live in a

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood where you could have a decent school and a

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<v Speaker 1>decent place to live and a chance at work. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't some radical thing that they were after, you know,

0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.920
<v Speaker 1>they just wanted the same opportunities basically. Yeah. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I said earlier that if if you were living

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<v Speaker 1>and you were black and living in America in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>the chances are you were poor. Of all black people,

0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.840
<v Speaker 1>all black people in the United States were living below

0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the poverty line in nineteen sixty six of the poor

0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.680
<v Speaker 1>living in metropolitan areas were black, and in nineteen sixty eight,

0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:52.600
<v Speaker 1>two thirds of the black population lived in ghettos. So yeah, like,

0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.400
<v Speaker 1>of course, it makes sense that their agenda is we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to just get to get to basic normal and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll go from air alright. Number five, We want

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<v Speaker 1>education for our people that exposes the true nature of

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<v Speaker 1>this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us

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<v Speaker 1>our true history and our role in present day society.

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<v Speaker 1>H Uh. Number six, we want all black men to

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<v Speaker 1>be exempt from military service. This is a big one.

0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.240
<v Speaker 1>We believe that black people should not be forced to

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<v Speaker 1>fight in the military service to defend a racist government

0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.920
<v Speaker 1>that does not protect us. We will not fight and

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<v Speaker 1>kill other people of color in the world who, like

0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.400
<v Speaker 1>black people, are being victimized by the white, racist government

0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.400
<v Speaker 1>of America. Yeah, and you know later on in there,

0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.600
<v Speaker 1>during the Vietnam War, they actually, uh, some of them

0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.400
<v Speaker 1>travel to Vietnam and um kind of found a common

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<v Speaker 1>ground with the North Vietnamese. Right, It's very interesting. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>is it my turn? It is? Number seven. We want

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<v Speaker 1>an immediate end to police brutality and murder of black people.

0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much speaks for itself. Yeah, but part of that

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<v Speaker 1>was that they they they point out that the Second

0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Amendment to the Constitution guaranteed the right to bear arms,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's gonna be a big, big part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Panther Party. They were they're credited historically as being

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<v Speaker 1>basically the ones who pointed to the Second Amendment and said, hey,

0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.240
<v Speaker 1>we were advocates of gun rights. Yeah, well, we'll get

0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.040
<v Speaker 1>to all that. It gets pretty juicy. Number eight, we

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<v Speaker 1>want freedom for all black men held in federal, state, county,

0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and city prisons and jails. They it says that they

0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.200
<v Speaker 1>believe that all black people should be released from prison

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.880
<v Speaker 1>because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Number nine, we want all black people, when brought to trial,

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<v Speaker 1>to be tried in court by a jury of their

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<v Speaker 1>peer group or people from their black communities, as defined

0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.760
<v Speaker 1>by the Constitution of the United States. Number ten, we

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<v Speaker 1>want land, bred, housing, education, clothing, justice, and peace. And

0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.560
<v Speaker 1>as our major political objective a United Nations. You provised

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<v Speaker 1>plebiscite to be held throughout the Black colony in which

0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.080
<v Speaker 1>only black colonial subjects will be allowed to participate for

0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the purpose of determining the will of black people as

0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:14.280
<v Speaker 1>to their national destiny. They're basically saying, we believe that

0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.959
<v Speaker 1>black should have the power to separate from the United

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<v Speaker 1>States from the white establishment and form their own self

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<v Speaker 1>sufficient and um respected, self governing body basically right. So

0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.959
<v Speaker 1>they took these uh tin this tin Point program. They

0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.960
<v Speaker 1>founded a newspaper called The Black Panther and they sold

0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.040
<v Speaker 1>that for cents. Uh. It got to be a very

0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.840
<v Speaker 1>popular newspaper. Um had a really wide circulation, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just uh, you know, black communities that there were.

0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.440
<v Speaker 1>There were all kinds of people reading this a newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>and it kind of aside from donations and stuff from

0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.760
<v Speaker 1>various groups, it really kind of funded the organization was

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<v Speaker 1>to sale this paper and every single issue I believe

0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.400
<v Speaker 1>featured this tin Point program on the inside I'd cover

0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and uh quick shout out to the artwork of Emery Douglas. Uh,

0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.879
<v Speaker 1>if you've ever I saw this great documentary called The

0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Black Panthers Vanguard of a Revolution. Yeah, I watched that too.

0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.359
<v Speaker 1>And this artwork from this you know, artist and graphic

0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.800
<v Speaker 1>designer Emery Douglas that was kind of the hallmark of

0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the paper was just gorgeous stuff. And um, I think

0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.600
<v Speaker 1>he's one of those has sort of not been lost

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<v Speaker 1>to history. But you know, I had never heard of

0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.120
<v Speaker 1>him before. I think he did it cover for one

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<v Speaker 1>of the editions of Native Sun because I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at I was like, that looks really familiar. That's where

0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I saw it before. It's really good stuff. Yeah, So, Chuck,

0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.080
<v Speaker 1>they we've got the ten Point Plan, uh, and the

0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.600
<v Speaker 1>original headquarters in Oakland, and all of a sudden, the

0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Panthers starts spreading like wildfire, like their ideas because the

0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.120
<v Speaker 1>experience was so similar as far as poverty and being

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<v Speaker 1>harassed and brutalized by police and just Joe really being

0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.199
<v Speaker 1>held down by the white establishment. Since that experience was

0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.680
<v Speaker 1>so similar throughout all the all the major cities and

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.080
<v Speaker 1>even smaller cities in the United States, the Black Panther

0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.959
<v Speaker 1>Party spread pretty quick and eventually they had something like

0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.040
<v Speaker 1>five thousand members. And remember that doesn't sound that much

0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.000
<v Speaker 1>like that many people, but like you said, to be

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<v Speaker 1>a member, you were committed to the Black Panther Party

0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:25.879
<v Speaker 1>seven you had to quit your job, you had to

0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.960
<v Speaker 1>quit school, and your your life was the Black Panther Party.

0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.359
<v Speaker 1>So the fact that they had five thousand people doing

0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that around the country is pretty nuts. But they had many,

0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.520
<v Speaker 1>many more supporters, and the Black Panther newspaper eventually grew

0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.640
<v Speaker 1>to a circulation of about two fifty thousand. It's amazing,

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 1>it really is. And UM, well, I guess we'll we'll

0:19:45.800 --> 0:20:17.719
<v Speaker 1>get back to their history after this. Sorry, alright, So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to start, if you want to start

0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.840
<v Speaker 1>anything that you want to grow and be noticed, then

0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:25.840
<v Speaker 1>it sounds kind of silly to talk about, but you

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<v Speaker 1>need to be good at branding. And uh, I don't

0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.919
<v Speaker 1>know that they specifically thought about it as branding initially,

0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.679
<v Speaker 1>but they quickly realized that the media really ate this

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:43.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff up. When these black men in in leather, black

0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 1>leather car coats and black turtlenecks and black berets donning shotguns,

0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 1>uh with the you know, the ammunition draped around their shoulder. Uh,

0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the press ate it up. It was it was a

0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.679
<v Speaker 1>cool look, and young black men wanted to look like this. Um.

0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Black women started growing out their afros. It was all

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of sort of tied into the Black is Beautiful

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.919
<v Speaker 1>movement um, which was sort of just the notion of

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:16.480
<v Speaker 1>embrace your blackness, don't try to fit in and look

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, don't straighten your hair, don't try and look

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:23.280
<v Speaker 1>like white people like where you're hiki uh, grow your

0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.520
<v Speaker 1>afro out, be proud of who you are as a

0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 1>black person. Embrace your roots. And the Black Panther Party

0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.520
<v Speaker 1>was really tied into this and it became a really

0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.600
<v Speaker 1>big part of their branding and recruitment. Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were hip at this time, like you were definitely hip

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.440
<v Speaker 1>to the Black Panther look, even if you hadn't adopted

0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.399
<v Speaker 1>it yourself, you were like, there's a cool cat walking

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:49.960
<v Speaker 1>down the street with a bandalier bullets in the shock. Right. So, Um,

0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the Panthers they had the look, they had the offices, now,

0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.600
<v Speaker 1>they had the newspaper. And one of the first things

0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.280
<v Speaker 1>they started doing even before they really started to but

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:05.199
<v Speaker 1>those first Panther members Um Hueie Newton, Bobby Seal, and

0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 1>then a guy named Um Bobby Hutton was their first recruit. Um.

0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.640
<v Speaker 1>One of the first things they started doing was patrolling

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:17.240
<v Speaker 1>the neighborhoods of Oakland and looking for police who had

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:23.000
<v Speaker 1>stopped um black motorists. Right, it's almost like a a

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:28.160
<v Speaker 1>guardian angels that protected citizens from cops, right exactly. That's

0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 1>a really good way to put it right. So they

0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 1>would stand there, um at a reasonable distance and just

0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:39.480
<v Speaker 1>openly and obviously observe the traffic stop, and they would shout,

0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, at the cop anytime he started to violate

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the civil rights of the black driver. UM. And they

0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:51.679
<v Speaker 1>were armed. They were holding shotguns, oftentimes not necessarily pointed

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.120
<v Speaker 1>at the cops. But in that UM in that documentary

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, they would talk about how like the they

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.440
<v Speaker 1>would kind of bring it is, move it from side

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 1>to side, kind of shifting position, and as it did

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 1>it slowly was aimed for a moment at the cop,

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 1>and the cops got the point like, yeah, I get it.

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.320
<v Speaker 1>You have a loaded shotgun and it's right there and

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you could shoot me. And some of the first um,

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 1>some of the first traffic stop monitoring that happened just

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 1>scared the Bejesus out of the cops. They had never

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.159
<v Speaker 1>experienced anything like this before. All of a sudden, there

0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>were a group of young black men standing there in

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:32.439
<v Speaker 1>black berets and shades at night, holding shotguns trained on

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>them from time to time, and UM, the cops actually

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 1>responded and exactly the way the black panthers did. They

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 1>were much more hesitant to um brutalize or violate the

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 1>civil rights of the drivers, and a lot of times

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>they just get in their cars and leave, especially if

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 1>they were on patrol alone. So that was one of

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the huge early foundational hallmarks of of UM the Black

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Panther Party, that they were, oh the leap and armoredly

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:07.199
<v Speaker 1>protecting their UM fellow blacks from police brutality. That was

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that was one of their major roles. Yeah. And uh,

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the reason that they were allowed to have these guns

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 1>is because one of their one of their leaders, Eldridge Cleaver,

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>UM found in the California law books that I mean,

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:25.920
<v Speaker 1>they call it a loophole, but it wasn't really a loophole.

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:27.399
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of right there in black and White as

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 1>you are allowed to carry a gun in public, on

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:34.679
<v Speaker 1>public property as long as it's not concealed open car.

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>And so they were like, all right, well we have

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.040
<v Speaker 1>these guns. It says right here we're allowed to. They

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 1>would carry a gun in one hand a lot of times,

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.399
<v Speaker 1>and then this California legal handbook in the other and

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:48.199
<v Speaker 1>they knew it by heart. They could quote exactly the code. Uh.

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, obviously the cops caught on the

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:54.640
<v Speaker 1>word got around what was going on, and it developed

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:58.479
<v Speaker 1>all the way to the California in General Assembly. And

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>when you see this documentary, it's it's amazing, man, these

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>these black the Black Panther party marches through the building

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>onto the floor of the California General is simply wielding shotguns,

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>loaded shotguns, and you know you see all the all

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the obviously the white legislature just sitting there like what

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 1>in the world is going on, including Ronald Reagan. Well, yeah,

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>he was the governor, right, And so Ronald Reagan was

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the governor at the time, and he is in that

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:29.399
<v Speaker 1>documentary quoted as saying, like anybody who thinks, you know,

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>carrying open loaded guns in public is okay is out

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:38.919
<v Speaker 1>of his mind, and ultimately signed a anti open carry

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>law that closed that loophole, the Mulford Act. Right, So

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Reagan signed some um gun control legislation, big gun control legislation,

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:52.640
<v Speaker 1>in an effort occurb those patrols by the black panthers. Yeah,

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and not so obviously you hear, all right, Ronald Reagan

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 1>does this? You think, where's the n r A. And

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 1>so I looked up, I was like, all right, what

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 1>was just the climate at the time. Apparently in the

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 1>late sixties n r A. It wasn't until the late seventies,

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies seven, when a guy named Harlan Carter took

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>over the n r A is when they really stepped

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:15.360
<v Speaker 1>it up with the Second Amendment rights. It was really

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>more strict version of the Second Amendment. And uh so

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the n r A was silent, and obviously Reagan being

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 1>very tough on guns, he had a I guess you

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 1>could call it a conversion in the nineteen eighties as well.

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh and then he and the n r A teamed

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>up together and started saying things like, well, no, it's

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it's okay, you can totally have guns. Right. This also

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>happened to coincide with the breakup of the Black Panther Party. Yeah,

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 1>when the when the n r A and Reagan changed

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:48.120
<v Speaker 1>their stance on gun rights. Um one thing you said

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>was that it was Eldridge Cleaver who noticed loophole. It

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.199
<v Speaker 1>was Hughey Newton. He was the one who who like

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>really had that mind for law. Eldridge Clever was much

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 1>more the militant revolutionary and he was already a bit

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>of a darling in the intellectual circles for a book

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 1>of essays he'd written in prison called Soul on Ice.

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>And so he joined the Black Panther Party pretty early

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>on as their Minister of Information, in large part their

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>official spokesman um. And he brought an air of real

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:25.119
<v Speaker 1>credibility and legitimacy and got a lot of um, left

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>leaning intellectuals and um, you know, entertainment types like Brando

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>was a big one who was in favor of the

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 1>party and supporter. But they they really started to pay

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>attention to the Black Panthers when Eldridge Clever joined. Yeah,

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and his wife, Kathleen Cleaver was also one of the Uh,

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>well we might as well go ahead and talk about

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>women in the Black Panther Party. Uh, you know, like

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>most organizations at the time, that it was, um it

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>was sort of from the top down down, a male

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 1>driven organization. And uh they did have Kathleen Cleaver, and

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.239
<v Speaker 1>they had Elaine Brown who was also sort of one

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>of the higher ups. But it was still and even

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>they admitted it was still somewhat of a chauvinistic organization

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and most of the women were uh didn't make it pass.

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>What they called the rank and file um sort of

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>operating the nuts and bolts, secretary or secretarial work and

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>UM just kind of making the thing go. So it

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>was you know, on one hand, they did give women

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 1>some positions of power, but never kind of at the top. Well,

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>now there were I mean, like you said, you name

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>two of the big, big exceptions that rule. But they

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>were big exceptions, like UM Kathleen Cleaver was the first

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>woman who was a member of the decision making body,

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>and Elaine Brown took over as chair party chair like

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>the the top official after Hughey Newton UM split for

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Cuba in nineteen three. But like you said, most of

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>the women in the Black Panther Party we were ranked

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and file. But it doesn't mean that gender roles were

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>totally rigid in the party, Like for example, you would

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>just as often or frequently see women out armed doing

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>UM patrols of the neighborhood, while men were the ones

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>responsible for some of the survival programs, the community programs

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>that we'll talk about. Yeah. Well Brown said they tried

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that and had minor successes, was right, Yeah, And the

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>documentary she said that was sort of what she tried

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to do is reverse some of the roles. And she

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>said there was still kind of largely a sexist attitude,

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>and which was a problem within the organization, because you

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>can't be that true community organization if you have that

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>oppression going on within your own group in a gender sense. Yeah,

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and especially if you know women are the ones who

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>are doing a lot of the actual work, Like something

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>like fifty of Panther membership was female at one point.

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you gotta respect that people who are actually

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:03.479
<v Speaker 1>doing the work, or else you got an arrogance problem

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>at the top. Yeah. And we should mention too that

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Kathleen Cleaver is a professor right here in Atlanta at

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>our own Emory University. Uh what law professor? Yeah, yeah,

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>she wanted to get a law degree from Yale and

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>uh after years of living in exile, which we'll get to.

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>All right, So you mentioned the survival programs, and um,

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>if you don't know what that is, you might be saying, like,

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>what in the world is Josh talking about. They had

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 1>their police brutality program, so that's kind of what made

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>the news, was patrolling the streets with these guns, keeping

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the cops in check. And by the way, we should

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>mention that they're the ones who came up with the

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>term pigs as a dragatory term for police officers. Yeah

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>from there. It first appeared in their newspaper and it

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>caught him pretty quick. Yeah, so that was that was

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of what they made the news for it first.

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.479
<v Speaker 1>But um, I think especially Huey Newton realized early on

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that they can make a real difference in the community

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>if they get these social programs going that you know,

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 1>they're not being taken care of. Their schools are bad.

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>These kids don't have access to like good food even

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and they they read that, you know, science scientifically speaking,

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that a good breakfast is has a big impact on

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.959
<v Speaker 1>how a child learned throughout the day. So they started

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>this breakfast program where they would give I mean, I

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>think at one point they were feeding like twenty thousand

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>children free breakfasts around the country every day, every day,

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>every morning, twenty thousand children around the country who otherwise

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>would have gone to school hungry and stayed hungry the

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>whole day eight breakfast because the Black Panther Party fed

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>them every day, every school day around the country. That's insane. Yeah.

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>They started medical clinics, free clinics called the People's Free

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Medical Center. Uh. They offered vaccines, testing for diseases, UH, treated,

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>basic illnesses, cancer screenings, basically the social services that white

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>America fully enjoyed, or i should say wide a man

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>of a certain class fully enjoyed. And UM started offering

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 1>up these programs which kind of became one of the

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>hallmarks of the party. Yeah, they weren't just this militant

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>group trying to you know, keep cops in check any longer. No. No,

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>then that was a huge huge UM. I mean, that

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>was as big, if not bigger than their their militant

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:24.239
<v Speaker 1>objectives is serving the community through these survival programs to right.

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>And they funded these programs largely through donations UM, which

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>they would go out and solicit from the community around

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the city's right. And apparently if you at least didn't

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>give something, if you were like, no, I'm not giving

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you a dime, the Panthers would UM would out you

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>in their newspaper and call for a boycott of your

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>business that, you know, saying like you're these guys care

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>so little that they won't even chip in a dollar

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>for kids to have a free breakfast. UM. So they

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>had like a real they had a pretty serious organization

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 1>going by this time that was directed again not just

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that patrolling police and fighting police brutality, but also at

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 1>serving the community. Yeah. One of the cool things they

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>did was they started the Oakland Community School. Yeah. That

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>was Elaine Brown. Yeah, and it was kind of her

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>passion project, and it was it was pretty much free

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to students and they had UM they had small classes,

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>They taught poetry, they taught foreign language, uh, in current events,

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>they taught yoga like all these things that the black

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 1>community had never you know, had access to. Black history

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 1>is obviously a big part of it. They had my

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Angelou and Rosa Parks and other civil rights leaders come

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>in and speak at the school and it operated for

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>nine nine years from seventy to eighty two. And uh,

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Kathyne Cleaver has this one great story that she told

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>on CNN about one young man who came to join

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the party because you know, he wanted to get a

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>gun and be on the patrol. They handed him a

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>stack of books and he looked at him and said,

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going to army and they said

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>back to him, I just did pretty good. Yeah. She

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 1>dropped the mic right after that. But that, I mean

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>that directly relates to UM. I think point number five

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 1>on the ten point Agenda, where it says that they

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>want education for people that um, that teaches them about themselves,

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 1>that gives them a knowledge of self. It said that, um,

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 1>if a man doesn't have knowledge of himself in his

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>position in society in the world, then he has little

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>chance to relate to anything else, which is exceptionally true.

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>So you've got all these programs. I think they had

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>like sixty five programs what they called survival programs in

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>in place. Um. And it wasn't until apparently these programs, uh,

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 1>we're starting to really roll and get the attention of

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:48.359
<v Speaker 1>and support of a lot of people outside of the communities.

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:52.839
<v Speaker 1>Even that the FBI, led by Jager Hoover, gave its

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>full attention to the Black Panthers and they set about

0:34:56.120 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to destroy the Black Panther Party. Well yeah, I

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.359
<v Speaker 1>mean Hoover, ironically, these social programs are what scared him

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the most because he knew that that's how you're going

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 1>to get white liberals on board on this cause, which

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.240
<v Speaker 1>is exactly what happened. I mean, like you said, they weren't.

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>They didn't shun the help of the white man by

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.280
<v Speaker 1>any means. They like went arm in arm with these

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 1>uh white lefties. Uh basically watch the documentaries. It looks

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>like today they're you know, these college dudes with beards.

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>They look like modern hipsters and uh worked arm in

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>arm and at one point they even got together who

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>was the Appalachian group, the Young Patriots. Yeah, it's just

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>like you see this video of these black militants like

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>giving handshakes and hugs to these Appalachian white Appalachian i

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 1>mean rural white people who all seemed like they were like,

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.760
<v Speaker 1>we have the same problems and we can just get together.

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 1>And it was just just crazy. It's specially in today's climate,

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>all these years later to see that happening back then. Yeah, they,

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean they they were in favor of anybody regardless

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>as long as they shared, you know, kind of the

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 1>same sentiments or the same struggle. Um. In nineteen seventy,

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Newton became the first black leader to ever publicly

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>support gays and lesbians. Yeah that was a huge deal too, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Well,

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean the point was, like, you know, the problem

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't race, The problem was this class struggle. And you know,

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>everybody of a certain socioeconomic status or who was a

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 1>worker was being held back. You know. So, Um, you

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>were saying Hoover was worried about those social programs. Um.

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 1>There's a quote from a letter that he wrote to

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>an FBI agent who objected to targeting the survival programs

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:52.319
<v Speaker 1>as part of cointel pro Hoover said, you state, the

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Bureau should not interfere in programs such as the Breakfast

0:36:56.360 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 1>for Children because many prominent humanitarians, both why and black,

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.919
<v Speaker 1>are interested in the program, as well as churches which

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>are actively supporting it. You obviously have missed the point.

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>And his point was that you don't leave those programs

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>alone because they have support outside of the community. You

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>target them because they have support outside of the community.

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 1>That that was the real threat, way more than black

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>men patrolling the streets with shotguns. That was a problem

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>for local law enforcement, and the FBI was worried about it.

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>But more of the point, they saw that as such

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>a uh flash point, a potential flashpoint that they could

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.319
<v Speaker 1>get the police to shoot and kill armed black men

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>on the street with with impunity. They that they could

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.720
<v Speaker 1>deal with. That is what they understood was meeting violence

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 1>with violence. What they didn't know how to deal with,

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:55.320
<v Speaker 1>aside from completely subverting it and sabotaging it. Was generating

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:58.359
<v Speaker 1>goodwill throughout the community through these social programs. So that

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.280
<v Speaker 1>was the real threat to Hoover and his eyes amazing.

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>So at this point, um, the party at the top

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>had gotten a little uh, the foundation had gotten a

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>little loose, um due to a couple of things going

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>back in time a little bit. A few years before um,

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Huey Newton was arrested and convicted of killing a police officer, which,

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 1>um it. On one hand, it's sort of um removed

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the one of the pieces of the foundation,

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 1>which made a little bit weaker at the top. On

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, it really got people around this free

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Huey Newton campaign. Yeah that's phrase, Yeah, free Huey. And

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>again the white liberals got on board and it kind

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of swept the nation that basically Huey Newton was involved

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>in a shootout with the cops and was they thought

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 1>wrongfully imprisoned and kind of railroaded through the system. And

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>um so in one since it sort of galvanized the movement.

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>And another, anytime one of the leaders is is operating

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>out of jail, then that's that's not good. And he

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the only one. Um. Actually, I think all three

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>of the original Bobby Seal was in and out of

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 1>jail a couple of times, and I think by this

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>point to Clever had fled the country to avoid jail

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and ended up in Algeria. He did so back in

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Um as part of a patrol. Clever and Bobby Hutton,

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>who was the first recruit of the Black Panthers and

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>by this time was the treasurer of the Oakland Chapter. UM.

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>They were part of a patrol that ended up. Um

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 1>was pulled over by two cops and those two cops

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.960
<v Speaker 1>ended up dead, and everybody in the car fled, and Um,

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Hutton and Clever fled to a basement where they got

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>in a shootout for ninety minutes with police, and the

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.399
<v Speaker 1>police threw in tear gas and Um the tear gas,

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess exploded and caught the basement on fire. So

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Um Eldridge, Clever, and Bobby Hutton decided that they were

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 1>going to surrender, so they came out with their hands up,

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Um unarmed, and the cops surrounded him and shot Hutton

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>in the head, just executed him right there on the sidewalk,

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>and Clever Um was taken to jail. He made bail,

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and right when he made bail, he's like, see you split.

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>He went to Cuba because Fidel Castro was a long

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>time and big supporter of the Black Panther Party. There's

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 1>apparently still one of them. Um A Mada Shakur I

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>believe who is living still in exile in Cuba today.

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Um who's a Black Panther? Uh? But Eldridge Clever, I

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>guess didn't like the climate, ended up with Kathleen Clever

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>in Algeria and formed the UH the International Chapter of

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the Black Panther Party, and that's where they would receive

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>dignitaries from like the North Vietnamese government or from Cuba

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>or any kind of left leaning revolutionary group would come

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 1>meet them there. And that was enormous because all like

0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 1>basically no other black liberation or black rights movement group

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>had genuine, legitimate international support. The Black Panthers did, and

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 1>in the eyes of the world, that boosted their credibility

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 1>just through the roof. Oh yeah, alright, So there's a

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.320
<v Speaker 1>bit of a UH I don't want to say power vacuum,

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:30.280
<v Speaker 1>but slight leadership vacuum because of the various UH top

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>original founders being away from Oakland, either in jail or

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Algeria or in and out of jail, and uh, it

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:40.879
<v Speaker 1>could have potentially been filled by a young man out

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>of Chicago named Fred Hampton. And we will get back

0:41:44.480 --> 0:42:17.240
<v Speaker 1>to Fred's story right after this. All right, So Fred Hampton, um,

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 1>by all accounts from this documentary in my research, seemed

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 1>like he could have been the Bobby Kennedy of the

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Black Panther Party. He was vivacious, he was a great speaker.

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 1>He was you know, he would he would give these

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>speeches and uh, just galvanized people. He had a great

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 1>personality and um, he was really getting kind of the

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.399
<v Speaker 1>movement back on track again in a big, big way

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>when he was pretty much I'm not gonna say pretty

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 1>much when he was uh politically assassinated by the FBI

0:42:55.560 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 1>in Chicago Police department. Yeah, he was executed for sure. Um,

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>so what was thee Yeah, December four is when the

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>raid went down. So it's something like four am sometime

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>in the wee hours. The cops kicked in the door

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Fred Hampton's house or the house where he was staying,

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and um, ninety bullets. I think I saw ninety also

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 1>saw a hundred ninety bullets were shot fired from the

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Chicago Police Department and one bullet was shot by the

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Black Panthers, and that bullet was shot when the bodyguard

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 1>to Fred Hampton, his name was Mark Clark, was shot

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and killed and dropped the shotgun he was holding in

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 1>it went off. Yeah. Um, and we should mention too.

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>This was one of many, many what they called raids.

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Um after hoover Is issued that edict that they were

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the the largest uh. And I'm sure there was an

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 1>internal memo as well, which we don't know about. But

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:57.799
<v Speaker 1>when he issued that edict that they were the most

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 1>threatening group to the United States eights democracy, it was

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty much open season and they carried out these raids

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 1>all over the country where essentially cops would just kick indoors,

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 1>guns blazing, shoot first, asked, don't even ask questions. Yeah,

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 1>but this one was a little more, even even worse.

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 1>It was even more pronounced because this was targeted this, yes, exactly,

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 1>and it was targeted specifically for Fred Hampton. And it

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of falls in line with this part of cointel

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Pro or coin tel pro. This one of the foundations

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>of coin tel pro was that it sought to prevent

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:39.760
<v Speaker 1>the rise of a black messiah that could um consolidate

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the masses. And that was Fred Hampton, right, Well, he

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely fell in that. So was MLK, so was Malcolm X.

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Basically any black leader that was assassinated definitely fell within that.

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>So and Fred Hampton did as well, for sure. So

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.879
<v Speaker 1>he was assassinated, Um, not by the FBI, but by

0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the Chicago p D. But the Chicago p D were

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 1>able to carry out a targeted raid because the FBI

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>had supplied them with a map drawn by one of

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 1>their informants of the apartment fred Hampton was staying. And yeah,

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and it was under the guise of they have a

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 1>stash of guns in there, which they did have a

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>stash of guns and ammunition in there, and that was

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the excuse they used to go in and shoot him

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 1>in bed while he slept. Yeah. And if you are

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 1>questioning whether this was actually an attempt on Fred Fred

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Hampton's life, those ninety bullets that were fired, most of

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>them went into Fred Hampton. Uh, and three people who

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>were sleeping in the same bed as Hampton where he

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 1>was shot and killed. Um, we're not hit by bullets

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>at all. Yeah, including his eight and a half month

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 1>pregnant girlfriend. Yeah, who they grabbed by the hair and

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:49.360
<v Speaker 1>threw into the other room, tore her robe open, and um.

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, the story of the cops was was they

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>knocked on the door, were denied entry. Uh, then they

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 1>opened the door and there was a woman aiming a

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 1>shotgun at them. Um. Later on ballistics tests, they did

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:05.799
<v Speaker 1>everything and basically figured out that was sham. All the

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>bullets were found ballistically to have gone into the apartment,

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.839
<v Speaker 1>none going out of the apartment through the walls. And

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, in this documentary they interview a few of

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>the people who are in there and they were just

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 1>like it was mass murder. They basically just came in

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and shot the place up. Uh. They examined the angle

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 1>of the wound that showed that Hampton was lying on

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:31.760
<v Speaker 1>his back in bed from somebody standing above him. And

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:36.720
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy a coroner's jury ruled the deaths justifiable.

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Everyone got away with it, but the city eventually and

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the federal judge approved at one point eight five million

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.919
<v Speaker 1>dollars settlement, but that wasn't until the nineties. Yeah, oh yeah,

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>thirteen years later. But the FBI apparently the agent who

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>was handling the informant who produced the map, was so

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 1>pleased with the results that after the after the raid

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:03.240
<v Speaker 1>that resulted in Hampton's ex acution, Um, he I guess

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.399
<v Speaker 1>male jager Hoover with the request for an extra three

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 1>dollars because he wanted to give the informant a bonus.

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 1>One of the bigger black eyes on American history, for sure.

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the other black eyes on the Chicago PD

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>at this time was the one of these raids was

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>on the Breakfast for Children program where the supplies for

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>breakfast were burned, like the place was set on fire

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.319
<v Speaker 1>by the cops. So, I mean the Black Panthers are

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>at like open war with with the FBI and with

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the police department. To the late sixties were crazy, you know, Yeah,

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>in large part because of this. Yeah, I mean for sure, Uh,

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 1>there was another big shootout and this is all sort

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of coming to a head. If it feels that way,

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what's going on. Um. In nine nine there

0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 1>was another big shootout and this was major and I

0:47:57.160 --> 0:48:00.120
<v Speaker 1>think it was in Los Angeles, wasn't it. Yeah? Was

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 1>It was the first time a swat team was ever used. Yeah,

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they employed the swat team, which was invented by the

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:09.319
<v Speaker 1>l A p D and two hundred l A Police uh.

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think it was like six or eight Black

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Panther Party members were involved in a full on, you know,

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:19.879
<v Speaker 1>hour long gun battle just right there in the streets.

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 1>So things are coming to a head. The sort of

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the secret plan here by Hoover is working, which is

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he wants to fracture the party from within and so

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 1>seeds of discontent and discord. So they had been through

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 1>the years planting informants in the Black Panther Party, uh,

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.720
<v Speaker 1>in the party, and they knew it, the Black Panthers

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 1>did so a lot of distrust, you know, when you know,

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 1>like who can you trust? A lot of this this

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>distrust happens even among you know, the higher ups that

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:55.880
<v Speaker 1>were formerly like a pretty strong union, right, And that

0:48:55.960 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>happened for sure with the case of Eldridge Clever and

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Huey Newton. When Healey Newton got out of jail, he

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:06.319
<v Speaker 1>was eventually freed, and it was a big deal, and

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>they thought this was going to be sort of the

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the rebirth of the Black Panther Party, uh, in the

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:14.680
<v Speaker 1>wake of the death of Fred Hampton. But he came

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 1>out of jail, and he and Clever sort of had

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 1>different Uh, they always sort of had different priorities, but

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.560
<v Speaker 1>they managed to come together. But they were truly fractured

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 1>at this point. Yeah, they were. Um. Newton and Clever

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:31.240
<v Speaker 1>were like openly criticizing one another, with Clever still in exile,

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:36.399
<v Speaker 1>but Clever had the entire New York chapter dedicated to him. Uh.

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 1>And years prior, the Black Panthers had formed what was

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:44.359
<v Speaker 1>called the Black Liberation Army, but it was a army

0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of defense until nine UM, when I believe he was

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:54.359
<v Speaker 1>still in absentia. But uh, Eldridge Clever said, Hey, we're

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 1>gonna take this from defensive to offensive and basically create

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>a new terrorist group out of the Black Liberation Army.

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 1>And they started a campaign of violence against UM cops

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 1>where they would ambush cops and just kill them. There

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't any retaliation for police brutality. Um, it wasn't self defense,

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 1>like they were ambushing and killing cops. And it happened

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.799
<v Speaker 1>in cities around the country. And the fracture between the

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Black Panthers itself was so deep that Cleaver's faction and

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Newton's faction were assassinating one another. They were taking out

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:31.839
<v Speaker 1>each other's people. Um so it was a big deal.

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.839
<v Speaker 1>And the Black Liberation Army officially split from the Black

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Panthers in nineteen seventy one. And of course, at this point,

0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Herbert Hoover sitting back in his chair like choking on

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>his cigar from laughter, because this is exactly what he wanted. Yeah,

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 1>was this in fighting? And um So Newton gets out

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 1>of jail, he's, uh, he's trying to get the social

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>programs going again, but he also is, uh, becomes addicted

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to drugs and by all accounts is sort of losing

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 1>his mind and has become power hungry and um his

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:08.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of lost the original calling that he had and

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>has gotten sort of drunk with power and was not

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:15.359
<v Speaker 1>functioning mentally like he should have been due to the drugs. Right,

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:18.360
<v Speaker 1>So it was it was his big sort of the

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 1>big beginning of the flame out for himself and the party. Yeah,

0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 1>for sure, his his downfall. Definitely, it didn't exactly mirror

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the party, but you know it was it was a

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>herald of one. You know, one of the founders was

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 1>totally losing his his marbles because he was addicted to

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 1>heroin and cocaine, you know. And he actually had a

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:44.040
<v Speaker 1>very sad end. Uh. He died during a drug deal

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 1>on the street in n in Oakland. Um, but he

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>said that he was committing revolutionary suicide by being addicted

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:55.359
<v Speaker 1>to drugs and basically killing himself that way. UM. Some

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of the other ones had not quite as tragic but

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:03.239
<v Speaker 1>strange ends, like Elder Clever. Right when he returned from

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:07.919
<v Speaker 1>Algeria with Kathleen Cleaver, um he became I think both

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 1>of them might have become born again Christians, and um

0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Aldrich Clever eventually became a registered Republican. I did not

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>see that coming. I did not either, and I'm sure

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people didn't. Right. And then, you know,

0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that internal violence with one another, Right, there

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 1>was a big turning point, um as far as public

0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:34.960
<v Speaker 1>sympathy went. Um in nineteen sixty nine, I think maybe Yeah,

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, there was a guy named Alex Rackley

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.920
<v Speaker 1>who was a member of the New York Chapter, and

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 1>he was suspected to be an FBI informant. And it's

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.320
<v Speaker 1>still after all these years, never come to light whether

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.800
<v Speaker 1>he was or not. But the Panthers had the idea

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that he was so they took him to the New

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Haven chapter where he was tortured. They tied him up

0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 1>to a bed, poured boiling water on his body for days,

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and then eventually I guess he confessed, although if you

0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:11.879
<v Speaker 1>ever listened to a torture episode, torture, Yeah, you can

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 1>get a false confession pretty easy if you torture somebody. Um.

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 1>They took him out to the woods and shot him

0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 1>in the head and chest and and left him. And

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 1>when he when his body was discovered, Bobby Seal had

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:29.320
<v Speaker 1>been in New Haven speaking at Yale like just hours

0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.319
<v Speaker 1>before the guy was killed. So he got charged with

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the murder. And this is one of the founders of

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the Black Panther Party on trial for murder. And during

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>this trial, um, which he was acquitted, but he the

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:46.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the in fighting came out and the

0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Panthers had managed to keep it out of the public

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.360
<v Speaker 1>eye and under wraps for for you know, up to

0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:53.840
<v Speaker 1>this point. Now it came out in the trial, so

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:57.000
<v Speaker 1>people realize that there was a lot of m schisms

0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and fractures within the leadership itself. They lost a lot

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 1>of public sympathy when they found out that they would

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 1>carry out you know, extra judicial justice on their own members. Yeah. Um,

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and it just it was. It was a big thing.

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 1>It was a big turning point for the party as

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 1>far as the public was concerned. Yeah. And and like

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, they were sort of the two factions with

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.960
<v Speaker 1>with Clever in Newton. Some people went with Clever, some

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>people went with Newton. A lot of people left the

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Black Panther Party period at this point because they either

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't know who to give their allegiance to or they

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 1>just felt betrayed by this fracture and the party wasn't

0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 1>what they thought it was. So the numbers are declining,

0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:44.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's definitely in sort of free fall at this point.

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:48.560
<v Speaker 1>And uh, Bobby Seal decides, here's what we need to do.

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 1>We need to close down as many chapters as we

0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:55.359
<v Speaker 1>can and and pull the resources in the money and

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>bring everyone out here to Oakland because I'm gonna run

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.919
<v Speaker 1>from mayor and we to go all in on this

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:06.719
<v Speaker 1>legit push for political candidacy because I think I can win.

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:09.360
<v Speaker 1>So they literally called up people on the East coast

0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and the Baltimore office and New York offices and said

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.319
<v Speaker 1>shut him down, come out here to California and we

0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:17.360
<v Speaker 1>need to go all in on not only running for mayor,

0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:21.960
<v Speaker 1>but on a massive voter registration campaign to register, you know,

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.839
<v Speaker 1>people in in urban communities to vote. So I think

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:27.400
<v Speaker 1>in the end they got like fifty new people registered

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to vote, and out of eight or nine candidates, he

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:34.279
<v Speaker 1>finished close enough in second to get a runoff. He

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:38.440
<v Speaker 1>got like the vote, yeah, but ultimately lost in a

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 1>runoff in a narrow runoff and did not win UM,

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 1>which sort of was one of the final nails in

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the coffin for the party because they had committed so

0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:53.399
<v Speaker 1>many resources to try and get behind Bobby Seal's run

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 1>for mayor. And he incidentally still lives in the Bay

0:55:56.239 --> 0:56:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Area and is very much still an activist. Yeah, Bobby

0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Seal is. Yeah, he was. Also did you ever see

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:07.040
<v Speaker 1>that UM documentary on the Chicago Eight It was like animated, No,

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:09.560
<v Speaker 1>it was really It's very good. But he was one

0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:12.439
<v Speaker 1>of the Chicago eight and steal. He actually went to prison.

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.799
<v Speaker 1>This is before mayoral run. UM, but he did like

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 1>four years or at least was sentenced to four years

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:24.839
<v Speaker 1>strictly for um contempt of court because he rejected that

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:27.239
<v Speaker 1>he was getting a fair trial. Because I don't think

0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.279
<v Speaker 1>there was a single black person on the jury, Um,

0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and he rejected that he was being tried by a

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>jury of his peers. And he kept protesting in the

0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.640
<v Speaker 1>middle of court, and eventually at one point the judge

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:42.399
<v Speaker 1>had him gagged, but he got like four years for that. Yeah,

0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:46.240
<v Speaker 1>gagged as in literally chained to his seat with tape

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:51.040
<v Speaker 1>over his mouth. Yes, and uh, you know that that

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 1>set off all sorts of protests in the streets. People

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted that judge removed. I thought that was that not

0:56:57.560 --> 0:56:59.399
<v Speaker 1>during the Panther twenty one trial. Was that the other

0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>one in Chicago? Know? That was the Chicago eight trial? Um?

0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>And that was that was a different trial. Also where Um,

0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:09.280
<v Speaker 1>did you ever hear the urban legend that Hillary Clinton

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:13.879
<v Speaker 1>got Bobby Seal out of off of murder charges? That

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 1>was that came out of that Alex Rackley trial where

0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 1>he was on trial for murder and he was acquitted. UM,

0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and Hillary Rodham Clinton was nowhere near the actual trial

0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:29.040
<v Speaker 1>as his attorney. She apparently um was a law student

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 1>at Yale still and was coordinating with the a c

0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.200
<v Speaker 1>l U to monitor of the trial. So she she

0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 1>was there but apparently had nothing to do with the

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 1>defense but it was a an urban legend that came

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 1>out of the two thousand senatorial campaign. Well, the Panther

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:49.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty one I mentioned, um just quickly. That was in

0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 1>New York, the New York Chapter twenty one. Leaders of

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the Black Panther Party were rounded up and arrested on

0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:57.479
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy charges. And this is a really big deal because

0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:00.160
<v Speaker 1>the New York Chapter was one of the biggest ones

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:03.160
<v Speaker 1>in the country after Oakland, and people got involved and

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.880
<v Speaker 1>tried to raise money, like celebrities got involved and donated money,

0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 1>and at one point, I don't know if it still is,

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:12.040
<v Speaker 1>but it was the longest criminal proceeding in New York

0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:14.840
<v Speaker 1>state history. It was a thirteen month trial by jury

0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and they're all found not guilty and released, so that

0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:20.840
<v Speaker 1>all of them were found not guilty. Huh. Yeah, the

0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Panther twenty one. Uh, And that's you know, jumping back

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:25.919
<v Speaker 1>in time a little bit. I just wanted to mention that.

0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 1>So there's a distinct legacy beyond just the look or

0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the image or black power and black power. We should

0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:38.080
<v Speaker 1>also say, um, I think it was Stokely Carmichael who

0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 1>either coined that phrase or at least was the first

0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 1>really kind of pick it up and run with it

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:46.920
<v Speaker 1>um and Stokely Carmichael is non non violent student Coordinating Committee.

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:50.360
<v Speaker 1>They got together with the Black Panthers early on. But

0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:52.960
<v Speaker 1>if you I mean just in the popular culture, the

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Black Panthers live on. But there there's even more of

0:58:56.080 --> 0:59:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a legacy as well. Um. Before he died, Dredge Clever

0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:05.760
<v Speaker 1>gave an interview I think back in and he said that, Um,

0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:10.640
<v Speaker 1>he basically blamed the gang violence that plagued inner cities

0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties. He traced that directly to the death

0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 1>of the Black Panthers. He said that as it was

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the U. S. Government chopped off the head of the

0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Black liberation movement and left the body. They're armed. That's

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.439
<v Speaker 1>why all these young bloods are out there now. They've

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 1>got the rhetoric but are without the political direction, and

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:34.960
<v Speaker 1>they've got the guns. So he basically traces that directly

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:40.960
<v Speaker 1>to the Black Panthers being taken down. Yeah, actually I do.

0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:44.160
<v Speaker 1>So we were talking about how you know there there's

0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:46.760
<v Speaker 1>a legacy. There's not just a legacy the Black Panthers

0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 1>is a legacy of um uh, brutality against black people

0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that apparently is at least as bad if not worse

0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:59.960
<v Speaker 1>today than it has been, Chuck. So, the Tuskegee un

1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Niversity in Alabama has records of all the lynchings that

1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:07.320
<v Speaker 1>took place in the Jim Crow era eighteen ninety and

1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:11.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty five and two thousand. Nine hundred and eleven

1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Black Americans were lynched during those years, and the worst

1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:17.920
<v Speaker 1>year of the Jim Crow era was eighteen ninety two,

1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.840
<v Speaker 1>and a hundred and sixty one people were lynched. In

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:24.880
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and fifteen, two hundred and fifty eight black

1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:29.440
<v Speaker 1>people were killed by police in the United States. So

1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:33.680
<v Speaker 1>not a lot has changed, and it's possible that it's

1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:37.120
<v Speaker 1>gotten worse. But if you look to the Black Lives

1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Matter movement, they have chosen the way of King uh

1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:44.439
<v Speaker 1>and and preaching non violent rhetoric for social change rather

1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:50.520
<v Speaker 1>than the Black Panther rhetoric of militancy and violent self defense. Yeah.

1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I think a bit of the Black Panther Party spirit

1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:55.919
<v Speaker 1>that was alive in the Black Lives Matter movement for sure, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. So uh yeah, that's all I've got. That's

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<v Speaker 1>all I got. Good one. Yeah, I thought so too. Man. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>do you ever see the movie O, the one with

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<v Speaker 1>like Mario van Peebles. Yeah he made it. He did,

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't in I don't think Okay, no, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard it was not good. Yeah, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see Malcolm X. I've never seen that one. Oh that's great,

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<v Speaker 1>is it? Yeah? Yeah, Spike Lea's movie. Sure, Yeah, really good. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll check that out. Yeah. The Um the Panther movie was.

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<v Speaker 1>I just read a few reviews today and apparently the

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<v Speaker 1>setup is pretty good with some of the history, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it kind of goes off the rails and like

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<v Speaker 1>and not just goes off the rails like bad movie,

1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:42.760
<v Speaker 1>but bad movie and not historically accurate or honoring like

1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the subject matter. Dance scenes keep breaking out. Uh, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that. I was like, man, why hasn't

1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:54.400
<v Speaker 1>there been a movie made about Fred Hampton? Yeah, he

1:01:54.440 --> 1:01:58.480
<v Speaker 1>sounds like he was a a pretty inspiring figure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing some of those speeches like he he had it

1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:04.480
<v Speaker 1>going on. He said his one big quote was, uh,

1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:06.640
<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna fight fire with fire, We're gonna fight

1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.840
<v Speaker 1>fire with water. I thought that was a good one. Yeah,

1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:13.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a great one. That's black Messiah talk right there exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to know more about the Black Panthers.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a bunch of stuff you can do. You can

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<v Speaker 1>go on to the site at house stuff works dot

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<v Speaker 1>com and search those terms. You can go watch Black

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<v Speaker 1>Panthers Vanguard of Revolution. You can watch Black Power mixtape

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<v Speaker 1>that has a lot to do with the Black Panthers.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it yet though, of you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>can go to Emory University, I bet and get in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with Castl and Cleaver and maybe offered to buy

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<v Speaker 1>her coffee. Yep, there's uh some just a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>really good articles out there. Uh that it just searched

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<v Speaker 1>Black Panthers in it'll there's a lot of eye opening

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<v Speaker 1>history that you didn't learn in school. And since I

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<v Speaker 1>said you didn't learn in school, it's time for a

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<v Speaker 1>listener mail. I'm gonna call this addendum to rubber trade

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<v Speaker 1>from the elastics episode. Hey, guys, just listen to the

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<v Speaker 1>one on elastics. It was fun and informative as usual,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to call attention to a small important omission.

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<v Speaker 1>You're discussing the rubber trade in Latin American you only

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Brazil, although it was indeed the largest exporter of

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<v Speaker 1>rubber in the area. The Amazon Basin and the Putumayo

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<v Speaker 1>River Valley region in Peru and Colombia were also important

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<v Speaker 1>sites for the production of rubber trees. Sadly, when you

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<v Speaker 1>combine global demand with a natural product, the result is

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<v Speaker 1>usually some form of exploitation. In the case of rubber,

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<v Speaker 1>it came to a horrible extreme with the Peruvian Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>Rubber Company, or as it was known in Spanish, the

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<v Speaker 1>Casa Arana, named for Julio cesar Arana, Peruvian businessman that

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<v Speaker 1>set up shop in the region, enslaved, tortured, and mutilated

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous populations to the brink of extinction in the pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of rubber. His crimes were documented and made public in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen, but his business and atrocities only stopped when

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<v Speaker 1>rubber production moved to Asia and he couldn't compete. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole rubber Bonanza's chronicled in the x went Colombian

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<v Speaker 1>novel The Whirlwind by J. E. Rivera. Today, the offices

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<v Speaker 1>of the company, the Kasa Adana or Arana House, are

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<v Speaker 1>being converted into a historic site. Members of local tribes

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<v Speaker 1>can gather and remember those atrocities in their own way,

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<v Speaker 1>telling their own stories and their own words. UH. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those poorly documented, poorly discussed examples of

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<v Speaker 1>genocide as a result of trade. At least in Columbia,

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<v Speaker 1>every kind of economic bonanza is somehow tied to one

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<v Speaker 1>massacre or another. So that's the downer I wanted to share.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice Who is that best from Bogato? Santiago? Santiago is

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<v Speaker 1>the person who wrote it in Yes, thanks a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for writing that, Santiago. We appreciate it. Yep, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. And then this has been like an eye

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<v Speaker 1>opening history lesson through and through. Huh. Absolutely, if you

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