1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Investments, Bloomberg sound On, the insiders, the influencers, the in sons. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Biden has comment again and again he will unite the country. 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Who do you think Biden has to watch in terms 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: of moderate defectors. Introducture has always been by part of 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On on Bloomberg Radio. I am Jenie Schanzano, 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: And just minutes ago, the President gave an update on 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: the pandemic. He answered questions about the pipeline shutdown. We're 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: going to talk about that, plus the inflation numbers, the 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: ouster of Liz Cheney, and the President's infrastructure meeting. I'm 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: Jenie Schanzano along with Bloomberg Politics contributor Rick Davis and 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: Doug Hay, former deputy chief of staff for the former 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: House Majority Leader Eric Canter and former communications director for 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: the RNC. Very important to have both Rick and Doug 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: here because as Republicans, they're gonna, hope give us some 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: insight into what's going on in the party. But before 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: or we get to that, we want to just address 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: President Biden's statements about the pandemic response. A few minutes ago, 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: he said, amongst other things, that by next week, approximately 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: sixty percent of Americans will have had at least one 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: dose of the vaccine, which he described as safe, effective, easy, fast, 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: and free. He also reiterated the big news of the 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: day the decision by the CDC to recommend the use 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: of five or visor's COVID nineteen vaccine for adolescence aged 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen, this, of course coming after the FDA 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: announced on Monday that it was authorizing use of the 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: vaccine for ages twelve and up. During his remarks, the 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: President also provided a little bit of an update, as 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: Doug just mentioned about the status of the Colonial pipeline, 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: saying we may have some good news on that within 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. And this is of course welcome, because 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: we're on day six of the shutdown and the impact 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: has already been enormous on the ground. As grass gas 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: prices have continued to rise. There's been longlines shortages in Georgia, 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: for instance, some reports said one in five gas stations 35 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: are out of fuel. And it's important because we saw 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: earlier today Pete Buddha Judge speaking at the White House 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: during the press conference, where the issue came up about 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: the Consumer Product Safety Commission warning people not to put 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: gas or hoard gas and put it in plastic bags, 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: and Transportation Secretary Pete Buddha Judge spoke about this at 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: the White House, and we have sound on that. I 42 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: will say that this is a time to be sensible 43 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: and to be safe. Of course, we understand the concern 44 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: in the areas where people are encountering temporary supply disruptions. Um, 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: but hoarding does not make things better. And under no 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: circumstances should gasoline ever be put into anything but a 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: vehicle directly or an approved container. And that of course 48 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: remains true no matter what else is going on. So 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: Doug high and I'm sorry, I think I miss pernoun 50 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: stead as Hey, that was my fault. But Doug, hye, 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: it's so good to talk to you. I was a 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: bit shocked that the Consumer Product Safety people had to 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: issue this morning about plastic bags, but um, you know, 54 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: I think it speaks to the fact that we it 55 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: seems like people are really panicked here. So the President 56 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: has noted that we may expect some good news within 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. UM, hopefully it will be that they 58 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: are back on track. But do you think in your view, 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has handled this, this crisis really well, well, 60 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: I think thus far they've they've clearly done the best 61 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: job that they can. But we are at a very 62 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: tender point, and if this doesn't improve in the next 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: forty eight hours, things are going to start getting exponentially worse. 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: And I would tell you I'm from North Carolina and 65 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: uh it's one of the states that's been affected by this, 66 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: and we've seen a lot of bad members coming from 67 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Raleigh and Charlotte, specifically of gas stations that are closed 68 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: with everything that's going on in Washington, d C. In 69 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: the past few days, when I've been talking to folks 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: back home in the Chapel Hill area, Winston Salem and 71 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: in Charlotte, all they're talking about our gas prices and 72 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: the lack of accessibility. When they go someplace and they're 73 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: out of gas, they've got to then use more gas 74 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: to drive around, um to find the place that's open. 75 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: And these aren't people who necessarily reporting, but they're at 76 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: a quarter of a tank. They want to do their 77 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: normal fill up and they're often not able to do 78 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: so that's only going to get worse and worse if 79 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: we don't get a fixed pretty quickly. And that's first 80 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: and foremost on voter's minds. It's such a good point. 81 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: And of course you're in North Carolina. My understanding is 82 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: North Carolina and Virginia both declared states of emergency. Georgia 83 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: suspended its gasoline tax. So to your point, there is 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: a lot of concern out there. And Rick, let me 85 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: ask you one of the things that has come up, 86 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 1: and I've heard some Republicans make this case today already, 87 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: which is that perhaps this is an argument that we 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: need to keep building pipelines and that Joe Biden was 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: wrong in terms of the steps he took early in 90 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: his administration on Keystone. Yeah. I thought it was interesting 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: that Secretary Grant Home and her press her today, uh 92 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: talked about how pipelines are the best and most efficient 93 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: way to move gas around. And I think you know, 94 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,559 Speaker 1: most people who are involved in infrastructure knew that, and uh, 95 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: most people were left scratching your head, going, Okay, if 96 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: that's the case, and then why in the world would 97 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: we have not kept the Keystone pipeline. So one of 98 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: the very first things that that President by did in 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: his administration was to shut that down, closing off jobs 100 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: in the in the Northwest and northeast and uh so look, 101 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: I mean, these these things all have a life cycle. 102 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: Uh you'd have thought Keystone pipeline was dead and buried. 103 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: Now it's it's back in the news. But really, I 104 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: think it is a constituency issue, right. I think what 105 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: Doug said is exactly right. I mean, I'm anecdotally I 106 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: couldn't get guests today. I went to three stations and 107 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: nothing was open. So, um, your left scratching your head 108 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: on that too, saying well, how did we get here? Uh? 109 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: President Biden said, we need to work closer with Corporate 110 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: America private companies to ensure that they have the necessary 111 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: cyber security. Uh that keeps keeps these kinds of businesses running. 112 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: And I agree, I'm just wondering, why aren't we already 113 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: doing that? Yeah, and I know you're you're in usually 114 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: I know you're several places rip, but you're usually in 115 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: the d C Virginia area, And of course this entire 116 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: east coast, but particularly down where you and Doug are, 117 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: seemed to have been impacted even more than we are 118 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 1: in the northeast, although we are still feeling the effects. 119 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: So so Doug on this point that that Rick raised, 120 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: how did we get here. I think one of the 121 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: things that has surprised me was that there had there 122 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: is not more regulation or mandating in terms of companies 123 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: like that which runs the Colonial Pipeline having really solid, 124 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, cyber security practices in play and being vulnerable 125 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: to something like this that shuts down the fuel on 126 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: the East coast. Yeah, it's a very real vulnerability. And 127 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, as we've been talking about, you know, infrastructure 128 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: over these past few years or past few weeks and 129 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: not in the past four years, Donald Trump Infrastructure Week, 130 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: which was never about infrastructure, but what we're going to 131 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: do about, you know, building out infrastructure. We need to 132 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: this this now rises to part of that conversation that 133 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: might not have been there to ensure as best we 134 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: can that that doesn't happen again. Because it's not just 135 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: about as you mentioned, what affects uh directly those areas 136 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: like a North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia, UM that's dealing directly 137 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: with this pipeline, but other consumers see that there is 138 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: a problem with gas and they're going to stock up too. 139 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: I was I saw this morning that there's a problem 140 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: with with this in New Jersey where people are stocking 141 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: up on gas. They're not directly affected by it. They're 142 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: obviously not pumping their own gas of New Jersey. They're 143 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: not allowed to. But prices are rising there at a 144 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: time when we're worried about inflation because people see what's 145 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: happening in the news. That's so true. And since I 146 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on the New Jersey turnpack 147 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: and tell you firsthand, you're not allowed to pump it 148 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: there on your own. But you know, to your point, Doug, 149 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: we we saw that President Biden talked about the gas 150 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: and the pipeline just a few minutes ago, and I 151 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: believe we have sound on that. We have been in 152 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: very very close contact with Colonial Pipeline, which is the 153 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: one area you're talking about where the one of the 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: reasons the gasoline pressures are going up. And I think 155 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: you're going to hear some good news in the next 156 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: twenty four hours and I think we'll be getting that 157 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: under control. Secondly, um I have in the meantime made 158 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: it easier for us to have lifted some of the 159 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: restrictions on the transportation of fuel as well as access 160 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: to the United States military providing fuel and with vehicles 161 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: to get it, there were places where it's badly needed. 162 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: It's so Rick. One of the things that that I've 163 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: heard people a bit uh baffled about is that there 164 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be as much in this infrastructure bill 165 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: proposed by the President, as massive as it is, that 166 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: would protect our critical infrastructure from these kinds of attacks. 167 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: And I wonder if you've had any had any thoughts 168 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: on the sort of absence of that in this bill. 169 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: So mammoth, Yeah, I think it's actually the reverse, right. 170 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna expand and extend UH the broadband capability throughout 171 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: the rest of the United States so that everybody can 172 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: be attacked by cyber criminals, not just those say that, Rick, please, 173 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like you got to laugh about it, because 174 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: it's it's actually the priority of this UH infrastructure bill 175 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: is to connect everybody. That just gives more access to 176 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: cyber criminals. Look, I mean, you know, early in the term, 177 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: everyone kept talking about solar winds, probably the most extensive 178 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: cyber attack in US history, a frontal attack to our 179 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: infrastructure and corporations with very sensitive secrets, and I puh 180 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: that the Russians did that ultimately resulted in all kinds 181 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: of security issues but also failings of businesses. What has 182 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: happened in regards to that? What was our response? What 183 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: is our response to the group that's doing this. I 184 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: understand there are technical things we should be doing to, 185 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: you know, harden our our private companies and our government systems, 186 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, what's our policy towards cyber criminals? 187 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you don't hear anything out of the 188 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: administration about what has happened to those people who perpetrated 189 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: the solar winds attack, and what are we doing about 190 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: this current group of criminals, you know, who have shut 191 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: down our infrastructure in the Northeast. And to your point, Rick, 192 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I've I've been 193 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: a bit um sort of wondering about is the administration's 194 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: view on these ransomware attacks. For a long time, it 195 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: had been very clear that people were not to pay. 196 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: As a result of those that seems to have been 197 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: more muddled in their messaging over the last forty eight 198 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: hours or so. And of course, the cyber attack on 199 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: the Colonial pipeline that we've been talking about comes just 200 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: as President Biden has been focusing on revitalizing the nation's 201 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: infrastructure as as Doug and Brick and I were just 202 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: talking about. So we want to get into that when 203 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: we are told him up. In the next segment, we 204 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: want to talk about the meeting he had today with 205 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: four top congressional leaders to try to reach some kind 206 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: of bipartisan compromise, although early indications are they didn't make 207 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: much progress. We'll talk about that next. This is Bloomberg 208 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: sound On on Bloomberg Radio. I am Jeanie Schanze No, 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: along with Bloomberg Politics contributor Rick Davis and Doug High, 210 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: former deputy chief of staff for former House Majority Leader 211 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: Eric Cantor and President Biden, and the so called Big 212 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: Four of congressional leadership. The minority leaders of the House 213 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: and Senate, along with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and 214 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi met for two hours 215 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: today to work on a bipartisan approach to the White 216 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: House's infrastructure plan. Afterwards, Senator Mitch McConnell came out and 217 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: told reporters that before the parties can agree on the 218 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: details of any kind of package, there's an important point 219 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: they have to hammer out first. We have sound on that. 220 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: The first step is obviously to define what infrastructure is, 221 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: the definition of it, and we all think all agreed 222 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: to work on that together. So Rick, when I heard 223 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell say that when he left the meeting, it 224 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: didn't fill me with much confidence that we're going to 225 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: see a deal by the deadline of say July that 226 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi had talked about. If they're still talking about 227 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: what infrastructure is, well, I I think that's actually the 228 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: ground rule, right if you're if you're talking past each other, 229 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: and one version of infrastructure includes lots of social programs 230 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: and and and and things that you know, our community 231 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: based activities versus what Republicans tend to call hard infrastructure. Roads, bridges, 232 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: the broadband we've been talking about, Uh, those are unless 233 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: you get to that point, you're never going to be 234 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: able to figure out what the total cost is. What 235 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: I thought, uh Leader McConnell did do is create a 236 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: pathway to get there. If we can agree on that, 237 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: then we can start talking about how to pay for it, 238 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: what it's going to look like, and what kind of 239 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: legislation will be written around it. And to me, I mean, 240 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's a better first meeting than I would 241 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: have thought. I just remember the first meeting Donald Trump 242 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: had with the Big four and it was a disaster. So, um, 243 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: this at least it's more civil. It definitely was more civil. 244 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: And Rick, you mentioned that if once they get over 245 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: this hurdle of defining infrastructure, they may be able to 246 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: come to some agreement, hopefully on how to pay for it. 247 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: The President has said he will partially finance the two 248 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: trillion dollar plan by bumping up taxes for corporations, and 249 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: Senator Mitch McConnell said, Republicans will not sign off on that. 250 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: We have sound on that. We're not interested in reopening 251 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: the talks bill. We both made that player to the president. 252 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: That's our red line. So dog, if that is their 253 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: red line, where can they find compromise and bipartisanship on 254 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: this if they are willing to revisit the tax bill. Yeah. Look, 255 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, obviously Republicans for a while have been past 256 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: four years, have been okay with deficit spending UM in 257 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: a way that they hadn't been under under the Obama administration. 258 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: But clearly taxes are are something that Republicans will not 259 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: support racing, So then you've you've got to look at 260 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: back too, and This is what McConnell basically was saying 261 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: about the meeting is Okay, what is the traditional infrastructure 262 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: definition and what can we do there? And clearly, you know, 263 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: over generations in the term of infrastructure grows a little bit. 264 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't talk about cyber attacks twenty years ago. 265 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: We didn't use broadband twenty years ago, at least the 266 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: way that we do now. So some of that's expanded. 267 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: But if we can get two places on roads and 268 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: bridges and tunnels and trains, things like that, airports, that'll 269 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: be a good place for the administration start with Republicans 270 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: if they can get there. And and Rick, do you 271 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: think do you see to Doug's point that there is 272 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: room for a sort of agreement here, You know, for me, 273 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: particularly if President Biden and the Republicans are able to 274 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: agree on these really complicated issues, how does he then 275 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: hold the Democrats, particularly people like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria 276 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: Casio Cortez. Well, I think that anything below a billion 277 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: dollars is something a Republican could, you know, with a 278 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: straight face, say hey, we did infrastructure, and and there'll 279 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: be things in there that benefit their districts or their 280 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: constituencies or their ideology in some shape or form. And 281 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: so right now he's had his way with the progressive 282 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: left um partly because he's given him a lot to do. 283 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't the only piece of legislation that 284 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: he's passed recently or is trying to pass that have 285 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: a bundle of good things for the progressive left. So 286 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: they're just gonna have to swallow this pill if they 287 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: if they want a bipartisan bill. The question they're gonna 288 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: have to ask each other in the caucus meetings with 289 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats is, hey, do we really have the votes 290 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: to pass up on our own. They did that with 291 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: the rescue package and and and they got a lot 292 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: of benefits for the progressive left there, but can they 293 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: do that this time around? No indication at this point 294 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: that they've got the votes to do it. So if 295 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: you cut off that retreat, then they had to come 296 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: to the table in a legitimate bargaining position. Well, we're 297 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: gonna see if they are able to to move forward 298 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: on that, you know. Another big piece of news out 299 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: of Washington, d C. Today had to do with the 300 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: fate of Liz Cheney, who was ousted from her leadership position, 301 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: and following the meeting at the White House, a reporter 302 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: asked McCarthy if he agrees with the former president and 303 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: many of those who ousted Cheney that the election was stolen. 304 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: Here's the leader's response. I don't think anybody is questioning 305 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: the legitimacy of the presidential election. I think that is 306 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: all over with. We're sitting here with the president today. 307 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: Um So from that point of view, I don't think 308 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: that's a problem. So coming up, we want to talk 309 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: to both Rick and Doug, to Republicans who have been 310 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: in their room about what happened in the outstar of 311 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney today and whether McCarthy actually can make this 312 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: case he tried to make outside the meeting. I'm Janie Schanz, 313 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: you know, and this is Bloomberg. I am here along 314 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: with Politics Bloomberg Politics contributor Rick Davis and Doug High, 315 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: former deputy chief of staff for the former House Majority 316 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: Leader Eric Canter, and Liz Cheney this morning was voted 317 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: out of her leadership duties for the Republican Party. The 318 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: Wyoming congresswoman ousted by House Republicans for continuing to speak 319 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: out against what she has called the big lie, former 320 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: President Trump's false insistence that election was stolen from him 321 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: following the vote, which happened very quickly this morning. Cheney 322 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: told reporters she knows that speaking out against Trump and 323 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: his lies is the right thing to do for the 324 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: Republican Party. We have sound on that. I am absolutely committed, 325 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: as I said last night, UH, and as I said 326 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: just now to my colleagues, UH, that we must go 327 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: forward based on truth. We cannot both embrace the a 328 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: lie and embrace the constitution and going forward. Uh. The 329 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: nation needs it. The nation needs a strong Republican party. 330 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: The nation needs a party that that is based upon 331 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: fundamental principles of conservatism. And I am committed and dedicated 332 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: to ensuring that that's how this party goes forward, and 333 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: I plan to lead the fight to do that. Cheney 334 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: also told reporters that she will not be silenced about 335 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: the dangers posed by allowing former President Trump to continue lying. 336 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: We have sound on that. I will do everything I 337 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: can to ensure uh that the former president never again 338 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: gets anywhere near the Oval office. We have seen the 339 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: danger uh that he continues to provoke with his language. 340 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: We have seen his lack of commitment and dedication to 341 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: the Constitution. Uh, And I think it's very important that 342 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: we make sure whomever we elect is somebody who will 343 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: be faithful to the Constitution. So, Doug, was this a 344 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 1: big victory for president former President Trump. He did put 345 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: out a statement afterwards. You know, he's certainly going to 346 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: take credit for it. I don't know that it's a 347 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: victory for Trump per se, because we don't want we 348 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: don't know what Trump's ultimate objectives are here, um. But certainly, 349 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: you know, for me, it's it's a loss for the 350 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: Republican Party that it is still warring amongst itself, um 351 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: and unable not only to move forward, but not able 352 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: to move forward because it's always Donald Trump who brings 353 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: this back up into He's not tweeting now, but in 354 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: statements that he was cheated, that this was um stolen 355 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: from him, and that Republican members of Congress are continuing 356 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: to push things like in Arizona or Pennsylvania, that things 357 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: have been stolen from him. So Cheney is essentially saying, 358 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: until we confront our past, we can't move past that. 359 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: And given the number of registered Republicans who have left 360 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: the party since election Day and since January six, Republicans 361 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: need to take a look at how can they win 362 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: in the future, um, if their voters are abandoned them. Doug, 363 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: I think you make a really good point about the 364 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: fact that this isn't just the past, right you gotta 365 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: pass it's prologue. We see this happening today. The president 366 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: continues to challenge the efficacy of the election. We continue 367 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: to see efforts by Republican legislatures all around the country 368 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: UH to change ballot laws to quote ensure that the 369 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: elections are more fair. So they they play into that narrative. 370 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: And and so I think that it shouldn't surprise anybody 371 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: that there are people in Congress Liz Cheney isn't a 372 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: good example of one who don't think that this is 373 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: a good idea for the party to be continually prosecuting 374 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: an election six months after a president has taken office. 375 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: And so you're kind of it's right. I mean you 376 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: maybe he's going to declare victory at mar Lago, but 377 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: the real attle, the real war is going to be 378 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: whether or not you are better equipped because of this 379 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: to win elections in two And I would say we 380 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: took a big step backwards today and on your point, 381 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: rick Um. One of the things Cheney said to reporters 382 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: um echoing much of what she said last night on 383 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: the floor, which I thought was was very moving. But 384 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: she said today after the vote that despite the fact 385 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: that she was ousted by her colleagues, she said she 386 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: doesn't feel betrayed by that vote, and she said, in fact, 387 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: she feels even more affirmed that she's doing the right thing. 388 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: We have sound on that I do not. I think 389 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: that it is an indication of where the Republican Party is, 390 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: and I think that the party is in a place 391 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: that we've got to bring it back from, and we've 392 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: got to get back to a position where we are 393 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: a party that can fight for conservative principles, that can 394 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: fight for substance. We cannot be dragged backward by the 395 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: very dangerous lies of a former president. So doc to 396 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: to this Chinese point, where is the Republican Party right now? 397 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: I noted that we've got about a hundred former Republican governors, 398 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: congress people and others who tomorrow are going to release 399 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: this Call for American Renewal statement of Principles, and they're 400 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: really sort of laying down the gauntlet that the party 401 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: has got to move away from the former president or 402 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: they are going to think about a third party. You know, 403 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: I might agree with a lot of what their analysis 404 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: is that the reality is where the majority of the 405 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: House representatives Republican conferences today in Alston Cheney, is where 406 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: a majority of the Republican primary voters are and that's 407 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: what they're responding to. That's who they hear from every day. 408 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: And so that's why this this move now um shouldn't 409 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: be a surprise to anyone. And you know, Cheney said 410 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: that she would deal with the short term political consequences. Okay, 411 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: today was the short term political consequences for Lynn Cheney. 412 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: She's talking very long term. It's it's obviously very difficult 413 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: to build a third party, and for those parties that 414 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: are out there, the Libertarian Party, of Greens and so forth, 415 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: they don't have much success. But but clearly Cheney realizes 416 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: that there is a very real problem here. And this 417 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: is exactly what so many people predicted back in two 418 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen and sixteen. And ultimately, what we see 419 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: in every movie and every book that deals with the 420 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: subject is if you make a deal with the devil, 421 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: there is a price. That you're going to have to pay, 422 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: and Republicans are paying that price. Now. They lost the 423 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: White House, they lost the House, and they lost the Senate. 424 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in is harder for Republicans moving 425 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: forward as well. It's given what Doug just laid out. 426 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: Why did McCarthy, why did we see Scalise, Why did 427 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: we see quite frankly, most of the conference make this 428 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: vote today? Why are they going all in with Donald 429 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: Trump if you will? Well, I think partly because of 430 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: what Doug said, which is this is where the Republican 431 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: Party rank and file are right, has become as much 432 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: a cult of personality as it is the old GOP. 433 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: And and so when when Kevin McCarthy go down to 434 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: mar Lago and pleads with the President to be part 435 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: of their campaign to retake the House of Representatives, he 436 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: knows that, Uh, Donald Trump, you know, if he signs 437 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: off on the candidates he wants to run, will will 438 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: will be an attractive force for the base Republican vote. 439 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: Whether you can win in some of these districts with 440 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: just that vote, who knows. That's the gamble he's taking. 441 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: But he's clearly made a choice. I mean a very 442 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: affirmative choice that he is not going to pursue Republican 443 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: ideological arguments in the election, which would be representative of 444 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney's career. Uh. And instead he's going to hitch 445 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: his wagon to Donald Trump. And and frankly, um, you know, 446 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: with the with the historical cycles of turnover in the 447 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: first term of a party in power, he's got a 448 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: chance at making that work. If he doesn't, I think 449 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: it's it's a disaster for the Republican Party. I mean, 450 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: we've already lost a presidential election, the United States Senate 451 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: and the House of Representatives under Donald Trump's leadership, and 452 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: to to to miss an opportunity in should cause the 453 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: party to really rethink where it is and go ahead 454 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: if I can. It's not just Liz Cheney. What we 455 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: also saw today in the hearing in the House of 456 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: Representatives were congressional Republicans basically comparing January six to a 457 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: normal day of tourists visiting their capital and so forth. 458 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: Those kinds of messages, aside from being obviously just completely 459 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: unfounded and ridiculous, our messages that scare a lot of 460 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: those a lot of those voters that Republicans have struggled 461 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: with over the past few years. Suburban women, by the way, 462 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: you know who in Wake County, North Carolina, outside Charlotte, 463 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: North Carolina, outside Atlanta are going to see Republicans say 464 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: this and say, these guys are out to lunch and Doug, 465 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: how do you assess at least stafonic given all that 466 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: you and Rick have said about um, you know sort 467 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: of this, uh, you know, all in on Donald Trump? 468 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: How do you know? Number one? You know, how do 469 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: you rate in terms of her chances of being elected 470 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: on Friday? But more than that, how do you square 471 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: you know, her previous statements about the president and her 472 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 1: voting record. I live very close to her district, and 473 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: she was a moderate pretty much prior to seventeen and 474 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: that first impeachment. Well, her ideological positions haven't really changed. 475 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: Um and and this to me highlights she did make 476 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: a change, and that was when her district changed and 477 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: she went all in for Trump. But so often, you know, 478 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: we've heard this conversation of your a moderate or your 479 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: au conservative, and I would argue that those were distinctions 480 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: that never really existed. Donald Trump was never a conservative. 481 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: What we've seen with Republican behavior in the past few years. Again, 482 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: look at the spending in the four years of the 483 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: Trump administration wasn't conservative. Um, and so Stephonic is decidedly 484 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: more moderate than Chane you was. But ultimately, the litmus 485 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: test in the Republican Party right now is, by and large, 486 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: where do you stand on Donald Trump. Physicians come second. 487 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: Conservatives will certainly make some grumbling and rum questioning her 488 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: conservative credentials. She'll probably have somebody run against her. But 489 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: right now leadership is really putting a heavy thumb or 490 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: two on the scales for and they want to lock 491 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: this up in part because, uh, they need a woman 492 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: to be in leadership because they're ousting one. And you know, 493 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: Republicans have struggled with female representation for a long time 494 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: now at the committee chair level and in leadership that is. 495 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: It's just so fascinating and um, you know, I know 496 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: there is more to come on this story. Uh, Doug. 497 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: You mentioned the January sixth issue that was one of 498 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: the issues that that Liz Chaney had been critical of 499 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: the President about his role in the insurrection, and there 500 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: was a hearing today on that on Capitol Hill as well. 501 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: So I want to thanks so much Doug High, former 502 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: deputy chief of staff for the former House Majority Leader 503 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: Eric Canter. Thank you, Doug. It was very good to 504 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: get your insights on this busy day. And now I've 505 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: really pleased to welcome back to sound On. Andy Levin, 506 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: representative from Michigan's ninth congressional District, UM Congressman. So good 507 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: to talk to you. And we were just talking about 508 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: the outst of Liz Cheney, so I wanted to see 509 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: if you, you know, would weigh in here a little 510 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: bit on what you're seeing from your vantage point. Sure thing, Jeannie, Well, 511 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: it's really remarkable. I mean, I think Liz Cheney and 512 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: I don't agree on hardly anything policy wise, but she 513 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: and I, I think, share a patriotism that we have 514 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: to stand up for our country above our parties. And 515 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: she is standing up for a Republican party that's devoted 516 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: to the truth, not to loyalty to a you know, 517 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: emperor with no clothes. And it's a sad day for 518 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: the Republican Party, but it's a it's an honorable day 519 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: for Liz Cheney. Congressman. Uh, you sound just like my 520 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: old boss John McCain talking about the profiles and courage 521 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: of being a congressman. It's a tough spot you all 522 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: have in the in the House of Representative, it's a 523 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: it's a combative place. And UH. And I think that 524 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: the kinds of things that have happened this week are 525 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: teaching us a lot of lessons. And and I actually 526 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: was channeling a little bit of John McCain on Tuesday 527 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: night when I watched UH Congresswoman Cheney's speech on the 528 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: floor talking about really serving causes greater than her own 529 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: self interests. And I'm curious, um, you know, the chatter 530 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: on the floor today. I mean, obviously this has been 531 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: mostly a Republican on Republican crime day. But um, does 532 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: does it change the way Republicans and Democrats as can 533 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: work together? Does it make it harder with the leadership 534 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: to UH to find common ground? Or does UH Congresswoman 535 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: Cheney offer an opportunity to try and work with other 536 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: Republicans within the caucus? Not necessarily leadership, you know. For me, 537 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: I just speak personally, Rick. For me, it doesn't change anything. 538 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: I I approached Mike McCall, the ranking member of the 539 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs Committee on which I serve, about a bill 540 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: idea I have you know, and all eager to see 541 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: if he wants to get on board. It would be 542 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: amazing to have the top Republican on the committee, or 543 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: if he has other ideas about a leeds Co sponsor 544 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: among Republicans, I didn't even think to bring this up. 545 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, how much worse can it get than a 546 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: majority of the of you know, the Party of Republicans 547 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: voting to nullify the votes of millions of their fellow 548 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: Americans in Arizona and Pennsylvania. And they would have done 549 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: it in Michigan and what Georgia and Nevada if they 550 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: could get a senator to agree. I mean, they they 551 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: have left the reservation of democracy off into some other 552 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: kind of place. And you know Liz Cheney, I mean 553 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: she just has the honor of, like, you know what, 554 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: I'll fight for my beliefs. And I mean she's way 555 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: more conservative than at least Stephonic. I know them both. 556 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: There's just a tremendous irony in this America needs a 557 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: Republican party. We need a Republican party that stands up 558 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: for real values that they you know, used to be 559 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: all four, which is, you know, could low taxes or 560 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: small government or free trade or saber rattling on rush 561 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: our China, whatever you however you want to characterize it. 562 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: You know, uh, I mean, I love debating policy with Republicans, 563 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: but when Republicans, as she says, as Liz Cheney points out, 564 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: continue to propagate an outright law I about there being 565 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: something wrong with the election, she just isn't going to 566 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: stand for it. And I salute her for that. But 567 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep working with Republicans as best I 568 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: can on actual policy. That's what it's gonna be my approach. 569 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: So so Congressman, Um, you know, one of the things 570 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: that Liz Cheney had made a case of was the 571 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: former president's role in the insurrection on January six, Um, 572 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: And I know this is something you careing off a 573 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: lot about. We had two senior Trump administration officials before 574 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: the House Oversight Committee today defending their actions during the riots. 575 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: Are we any closer to seeing a real investigation into 576 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: what happened on January six that is going to be 577 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: bipartisan to your previous point, and that will be able 578 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of of that, you know, 579 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: really stunning event just a few months ago. I certainly 580 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: hope so Jeannie, I, I fit, negotiations continue, you know, 581 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: so there's hope they're also, um, we're gonna get to 582 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: the bottom of it, one way or another, given the 583 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: amount of law enforcement. Uh, focus on it, um, you know, 584 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: focus on it in the Senate as well as the House. 585 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: But it would be great to have a nine eleven 586 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: style commission that really could get to the bottom of it. 587 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: But it is just difficult when, say, the minority leader 588 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: of the House continues to propagate the lies of the 589 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: former president. I mean, it's hard to, um, you know, 590 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: get to an agreement on investigating an insurrection when people 591 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: don't want to call it an insurrection. I mean, I 592 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this, but right after we 593 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: walk back into that chamber amidst broken glass and freshly 594 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: swabbed up blood, the evidence of violent attack on the 595 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: capital was could not be denied. We had Republican members 596 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 1: get up, like Mr Gates and give a speech saying, well, 597 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: those weren't real supporters of Mr Trump, those were Antifa 598 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: just making things up, that we're complete falsehoods. So it's 599 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: difficult to see how we'll get there, But I know 600 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: the speaker is honestly committed to trying to have a commission, 601 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: so I hope we will. Congressman reminds me of the 602 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: old line, don't believe your lie eyes. Um, let's let's 603 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: switch over to a topic that we have been discussing 604 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: earlier in the program, on the Colonial pipeline. We've just 605 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: gotten word that it looks like they're going to start 606 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: pumping oil again, pumping gas UH in UH in the 607 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: next few hours. And and that is good to relieve 608 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: the pain. But look, you're you're a motor city guy, right. 609 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: We see all these changes happening in UM, in Detroit, 610 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: in Michigan or round uh e vs. Electric vehicles, a 611 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: trend that doesn't seem to be uh, you know, abating 612 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: at all in five years. For now something like this 613 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: happens in uh Colonial pipeline and they shut down that 614 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: that gas pipe again in the northeast. Are we gonna 615 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: care as much? Are they gonna have so many electric 616 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: vehicles that people are gonna say, oh, I don't even 617 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: remember the last time I got gas. Well I can 618 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: see that right now because I drive. You know, We've 619 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: got a Chevy Volte with a V and a Chevy 620 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: Bolt with a B, which is a hybrid and a 621 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: full electric car, and I honestly sometimes go by cost 622 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: go and think, oh I better get gas. I'm like, oh, 623 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: you don't do that anymore. So, you know, so I've 624 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: had the experience. But you know, I just relaunched my 625 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: EV Freedom Act to to work with the President to 626 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: put up charging infrastructure in my my ideas high speed 627 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: charging infrastructure on our national highway system so we can. 628 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: I am a Detroit guy. I wanted to be able 629 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: to road trip. I want all Americans to be able 630 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: to road trip in their evs, take their kid to college, 631 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: or go visit Grandma and Omaha, Nebraska, without worrying about 632 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: running out of juice. But we, you know, we will. 633 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: Here's the bottom line. We need pipelines right now we 634 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: have that's the most efficient way and the most environmentally 635 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: friendly way to move oil and gas around. But we 636 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: will transition very quickly towards electric vehicles and the need 637 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: for you know, pipelines will decrease. But for some time, 638 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: we need to take care of this vital infrastructure. And 639 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: so somebody like me, as big a champion as I 640 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: am of tackling climate change head on, is still very 641 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: concerned about about what happened with the pipeline. And in fact, 642 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: I've got a briefing from the White House in UM 643 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: about ten minutes on this very subject. So we're taking 644 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: it super seriously. We cannot have people, uh, you know, 645 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: holding our our infrastructure up for ransom. It's unacceptable. So Congressman, 646 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: what would you like to see in terms of moving 647 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: forward to address these attacks on our critical infrastructure. I 648 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: think one of the many things that I've learned in 649 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: the last few days has been the pipeline sector is 650 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: not required to report every attack or every incident. So 651 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: even in terms of these sort of various reporting requirements, 652 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: it's difficult to know, estimate or understand the number of attacks, 653 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: let alone address them. So what do you think, you know, Congress, 654 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: the administration to do going forward to protect this critical infrastructure. Well, Jennie, 655 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head. I mean, 656 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: what the reports I see in the intelligence I see 657 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: is that UM private sector actors sometimes pay ransoms in 658 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: the cyber attacks without any that any the idea that 659 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: an attack even happened coming to light. So I think 660 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: as Congress, we have to take a very serious look 661 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: at that. We need, we need a lot of sunshine 662 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: pouring in on this problem. Um, and if you are 663 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: in the private sector, that's great. If you run a 664 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: profitable pipeline or some other piece of infrastructure, that's great. 665 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: But you're going to have to share information because we 666 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: cannot allow foreign actors private or you know, from foreign 667 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: spy agencies themselves, to be attacking our infrastructure like that. 668 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of national security. So we're going 669 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: to have to deal with it. And do you think 670 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: there's any sort of I don't know. Truth is probably 671 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: not the right word, but but there's anything to the 672 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: argument that we've been hearing in the last couple of days, 673 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: mainly from Republicans, that perhaps we need more pipeline in 674 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: the country, that the president's move on Keystone early in 675 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: his administration was problematic. No, and you know, there's been 676 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: a lot of confusion on this. We actually had a 677 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: hearing today in the Foreign Affairs Committee with Secretary carry 678 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: Our our new you know, global climate change John Foy 679 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: and Republicans were making this argument. So here, let me 680 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: see if I could put it this way, If we 681 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: have you know, a hundred pipelines in the country, and 682 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: the President says we don't need a hundred one. The 683 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: President's not saying we don't need pipelines. Pipelines aren't important. 684 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: He's just saying, as as you know, um as Rick 685 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: was pointing out earlier, it's time to not build more 686 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: because we're gonna need less in the future. I mean, 687 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: that's that's what the President is saying. And I think 688 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's got a good argument there. So 689 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: I don't nobody's saying that pipelines aren't important or that 690 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: we don't need to protect them. You just have to 691 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: look with a steely eye to the market and where 692 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: it's going, and about you know, maintaining as much infrastructure 693 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: as you need. Congressman, we've we've heard a lot about 694 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: sort of what we need to be doing to protect ourselves. 695 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: But um I was talking to Jenior earlier in the 696 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: program about what are we doing to go after these 697 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: bad actors, I mean solar winds, dark side, I mean, 698 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: these are bad people. They're affecting our employment, They're affecting 699 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: our economy, they're affecting our infrastructure. Uh, in a in 700 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: a more and more dramatic way. Uh, when you go 701 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 1: over the White House, are you going to ask them. 702 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: What are we doing to the bad guys? How do 703 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: we wrap these guys up so they can't keep doing 704 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: it to us? You know, Rick, the President has been 705 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: kind of I don't know if teasings right word, but 706 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: he's been sort of sending out indication, the indications that 707 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: he's going to be coming out with a plan. But 708 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: I I absolutely think you're right, And especially as we 709 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: continue to change and innovate in our energy, we have 710 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: to uh, you know, we got, for example, we kind 711 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: of moved to much smarter electrical grids. Well the smarter 712 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: they are, the more they could be monkeyed with of 713 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: through computers. So this is going to be a problem 714 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: that we don't only have to take seriously right now, 715 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: but it's going to be a growing issue and so 716 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: we might as well step up to the plate and 717 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: start tackling it. I mean, have you heard this talk 718 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: about how this dark thing they're like do charitable giving 719 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: and all this, I mean, this is a nonsense. Yeah, 720 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: they actually have a percentage of their extortion that goes 721 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: to charity. I mean it's incredible. And there in their 722 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: line to the public was, hey, we were just trying 723 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: to make a living here and we weren't really trying to, 724 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: you know, interrupt your gas supply. It's not really like 725 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: a mafia boss, you know, like sponsoring a hospital. I'm sorry, 726 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's you are a cyber terrorists and you 727 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: need to be held accountable. And I think that's a 728 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: bipartisan approach right there. Yeah. I was stunned to hear 729 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: that this whole robin Hood description of this dark side group. 730 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: And I think to Urine Rick's point, you know, hopefully 731 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: in the days that are coming, we get more information 732 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: from the White House about this. I want to thank 733 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: so much Representative Andy Levin for the ninth Congressional District 734 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: in Michigan for taking the time to talk to us 735 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: before he goes to the White House to get his briefing. 736 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: Thank you, Representative Levin, and also of course Rick Davis 737 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: and Doug High. I'm Jeanie Chanzano and this is Bloomberg.