WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Warner Weighs In On Murray, NFL Draft 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.360 Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles ahead. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:10.280 He got jack. This is the Big Red Ray presented 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:14.400 by Santanford in Gilbert. Mary's gonna score touchdown and so 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.680 for bets goes up. He begs the game. When it cast, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:22.840 Flarry Luncheon does it again. The Rage is brought to 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:28.840 you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford State Farm? 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.040 Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:37.680 and buy Arizona Cardinals podcasts, Visit acy Cardinals dot Com, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:46.520 Slash podcasts, The Rods Rising Guard, gimptuizing vision, flurring, Rage 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.960 taking over. Here's Paul KELVC. Get the popcorn ready, It's 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.960 gonna be a show and Ron will flip. It doesn't 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:59.280 get any better than that. Hors unleash the far The 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:04.760 fear debate in the Big Red ball Room might be 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:10.440 over and done with, but definitely not here on the 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.720 Big Red Rage. There the hay is in the barn 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:19.000 Ron Wolfley. Here, I have a feeling the haymakers are 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.920 about to fly over the next hour. Why's that balling? 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.960 I just don't get the sense we're on the same page. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:31.520 Based on the instigator, the hit and run artist on 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.040 the text messages, Dave Pash, you're just starting arguments as 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.360 to which direction in the Arizona Cardinals should go. Next 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.759 Thursday night, one week from tonight, The Big Red Rage, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.839 presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.040 Paul Kelbs here, Ron Wolfley there. On Tuesday, we'll have 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.000 a special pre draft edition of The Big Red Rage. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.360 By the way, and Dave Pash, Oh, you'll have your chance, 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.600 tough guy. Okay, we're going to be all about it 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.240 on Tuesday. But right now, I just have this sense, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.320 Ron Wolf, you're gonna come out and you're gonna fill 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.560 the airwaves and you're gonna advocate for a receiver in 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:11.639 round one, And I will just say no, PAULI, I'm 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.959 not advocating for a receiver in round one. If there 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.240 is a specific receiver though that is actually there, like 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.400 Jay Jaylen Waddle, you know what, I'm gonna take that, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.040 or I'm gonna run, Paul, I'm gonna do it. I'm 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.720 just gonna go ahead and take that and run wolf Wolf. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.520 You know what, if you want to speculate, if you 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:32.040 want that sort of risk in round one, go trade bitcoin, 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.519 get into cryptocurrency. Okay, you gotta you gotta tell me 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.919 who else is there? Obviously, I mean, if you tell 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.679 me jac Horn is gonna be there, you know what, Paul, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.480 You're gonna draft jac Horn. Right, that's what you're probably 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.440 going to do. Right there. You have to also say, hey, listen, 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.600 if if Davonte Smith is there, what are you gonna do, Paul, 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.080 Davonte Smith, he does scare me because he is a 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.360 little slight, is it he? Davonte Smith is there, and 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.080 somebody wants Davante Smith, I trade in an instant and 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.200 I cash that in. Yeah. The problem is, of course, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.360 whenever you trade up or you trade down, it takes 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.760 two to tangle. And that's the problem. Once you include 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.119 somebody else, now, all of a sudden, it becomes much 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.680 more difficult to execute that. Well, Steve Kine was asked 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.239 about that earlier today, and we'll get to that very 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.720 soon on this edition of The Big Head Rage. Thankfully, 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.920 we'll get the voice of reason here as we expect 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.320 the Hall of Famer Kurt Warner to join us on 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:32.520 this edition. A great bird Beard is gonna side with you, Paul, Well, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.200 I'm gonna you know what, I'm gonna make the argument 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.520 with not only you, but with a Hall of Famer, 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.800 mister Yellowjacket himself, that you know what, the Arizona defense 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.120 needs a top knock young cornerback as much as Kyler 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.760 Murray needs another weapon. So all of the weapons that 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.800 Kurt Warner has played with in his very storied career, 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.160 you don't think he might actually side with going with 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.920 the wide idol beg selball. I think your way off on. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.720 I'm not saying there isn't a degree of difficulty that 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:01.720 I have ahead of me. I'm just saying that's where 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.800 I'm gonna go down swinging on that argument. That's what 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.760 I'm about to say. What if Mica Parsons falls to 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.640 number sixteen? Ron Walthley, did you not watch the Super Bowl? 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.480 Did you not see what Devin White and Lavante David 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.640 meant to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers despite Tom Brady I do, Hey, listen, 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.560 if you tell me it's Micah Parsons at sixty, I'll 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.599 be okay. Paul. I don't think he's gonna be there, 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.240 but I'll be okay with that too. You know, I 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.080 did an event last night with a former player host 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.279 of the Big Red Rage Carlos Dansby, Ah Los was 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.760 in full form dirty and leave it to Los to 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.560 bring up that. Hey, the year the Cardinals had Carlos 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.120 Dansby and Daryl Washington. If you can now have Micah 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:46.120 Parsons and Isaiah Simmons think about that, we'll get to 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.159 what Steve Kim had to say today. It is the 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.520 Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:58.840 are santan Ford, where are you guys right now? In 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.559 the draft? Prop says, have you already stood on the table? Drew? 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.679 Have you stood on the table and had it out? 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.520 Have you had those meetings yet? The shoeprints are on 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.320 the table. Wolf, there they're there. There. You're going director 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.720 a player personel Drew Grigson last week in response to 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.800 Wolf's question about um, shall we say, how animated do 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.720 you think some of the discussions got in the war 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.120 room as they tried to set their final one twenty 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:29.120 to three years sometimes invested in each player and the 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.400 scatter reports and the rankings, and Wolf, when you ask 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.560 that question, and we're moments away from being joined by 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.280 Kurt Warner. By the way, the Hall of Famer and 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.920 we'll talk draft and everything else about the Cardinals. But 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.160 when you pose that question, did you mean it to 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.800 a certain degree? I mean, just how spirited do you 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.920 think it gets in there? Oh? No, Pollie, absolutely, I 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.440 meant that. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I mean, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.920 for me, Paul, excuse me, I got something caught in 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:58.000 my throat. And we don't know because that's the one 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.440 place we're never allowed. I mean, we're just ever allowed 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.560 into the war room. A select few, are right, But 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.840 there does get to that, like that one or two 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.240 weeks where everyone comes in from all the remote locations 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.760 and they have it out. Yeah, they have it out, Paul. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.600 But once again, it's probably the most entertaining part of 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.920 the year when you're talking about these scouts, and as 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.400 you know, these guys they do they invest years into 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.160 certain guys and suddenly they stand up and they say, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.640 this guy, We've got to draft this guy. I think 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.320 this guy is the best at his position. And some 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.240 other scout who scouted some other guy is going to 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.080 look at him and say, what are you talking about? 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.120 The best at This guy is the best at his position. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.320 And guess what happens, Paul. I mean, these guys, this 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.480 is how they build their careers. This is how scouts 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.680 build their careers and how they turn those careers at 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.640 scouting into being a general manager climbing the ladder and 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.160 someday being a general manager. Whom do you hitch your 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.960 wagon too as a scout? And what player pans out 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.640 as a pro and what player does not? Paul and 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:08.760 people kept they keep records of this stuff. Well, there 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.600 was the pre draft press conference today featuring the GM 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.760 Steve Kim, the head coach, Cliff Kingsbury. One of the 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.720 questions was where do you consider the deepest parts of 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.880 the draft. Remember the answer Drew Grigson gave us on 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.760 the show We could go immediately? He said pass rusher. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.880 And that's rarely, if ever the case in any draft. 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.520 You can count on one or two hands how many 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.200 legit pass rushers there are. He says, it's very deep 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.440 this year. Steve Kimes answer that question today was outside linebacker, yes, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.440 inside linebacker, receiver, corner, and some of the interior O line. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.400 And then Steve Kim was asked Wolf just about the 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.960 potential maybe doing what the Niners did or the Dolphins 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.480 have done twice or the Eagles trade up, trade down? 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.720 What do you think GM, Steve Kim with six picks 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.800 and where we're sitting, I think it would be more 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.880 likely to trade back than the trade up. So that's 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.840 one thing. And then you know, as far as trading 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.200 accumulating more picks, it's no different than a lottery ticket. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.080 The more you have, the better you have a chance 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.640 to hit. We know it's in an exact business and 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.520 to be able to accumulate more picks would be a 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.840 real coup for us. Do you buy that, Ron Wolfley? 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.840 You know, not this time of year. I really don't. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.680 I don't buy it at all. I don't buy anything 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.720 that any general manager says in the National Football League 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:21.920 this time of year. I just don't do it. I mean, 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:26.320 you're talking about being a week away from the NFL draft, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.920 and draft supt or fuge is absolutely real. Why in 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.439 the world, Paul, would you ever give anybody an inclination 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:34.800 as to what it is that you're going to do 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:39.040 or what you're thinking about possibly doing. Yeah, you wouldn't. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.679 It makes no sense. It does not benefit you in 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.240 any way, shape or form. What does benefit you in 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.319 any way, shape or form is saying something that might 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.280 be misleading to somebody else, do you know, Paul, In 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.319 certain organizations, most organizations in the NFL, they actually have 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.160 people that record this stuff, what you say before the 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.640 draft as a general manager and what you actually do 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.080 in the draft. Why do you think they would do that, Polly, 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.439 Why do you think that makes sense to actually do 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.520 that to fund They're trying to pin down which way 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.079 you really are going to go. They want to know 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.520 who your personality really is, Polly. So on Wall Street, 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.760 past performance is no guarantee of future results, but you're 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.840 saying when it comes to gms and their pre draft 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.800 press or sometimes their past performance is an indicator of 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.800 where they go on draft night. I mean, there are 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.680 some general managers that will look at other general managers 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.520 and go, you are just laugh out loud, funny. You've 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.120 got to be kidding me, right, because of some of 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.280 the things that they've said in the past and then 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.199 some of the things that they've actually done. And there 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.120 are some general managers that, believe it or not, Polly, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.360 actually do kind of tell the truth. There are some 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.960 that actually do it, Paul, but they think you're never 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.360 gonna believe them. Anyways, there was one year where Bruce 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.400 arians just just flat out lie and then he said afterwards, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.560 I'm a good liar, but there was one your Wolf 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.920 where he pretty much told it as it was. And 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.719 remember we did his Coaches show not long thereafter, and 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.719 he just said, yeah, everyone thinks you're lying, so I 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.920 just sort of told the truth, and every nobody believes 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.600 you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. So he went 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.439 reverse psychode. That would be a reason once again to 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.240 actually keep track of this stuff, so you get to 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.280 know who your opponent is, you get to know who 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.720 these other general managers are, and who might be actually 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.920 giving a solid indicator as to what they're going to 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.800 do in who's full of it? Okay, so I listened today. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.520 Can I give you my translation? Yes? My GM two 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.120 English translation goes something like this, make me an offer 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.200 I can't refuse. I think Steve Kim is saying, all 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.839 these insiders have us potentially moving up. But you know what, 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.839 everyone who thinks I'm moving up and they're keeping the 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.839 price sky high to move up, guess what I might 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.920 move back? And if you're listening to me, I'm just 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.160 as likely to move back as I am to move up. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.920 So you know what you guys better start giving me 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.720 some reasonable trade deals here if I'm going to entertain 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.959 any of these, whether it's up or down. Okay, you've 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.360 got one week t minus one week in counting you're 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.080 on the clock to give me a real phone call 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:13.880 worth my time. The only thing I would say to you, 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.520 apolly on that is all the one year signings that 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:21.280 they made and the acquisition of Rodney Hudson and knowing 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.400 you've got two years with JJ Watt. I don't know 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.160 about that, Paul. I think win now is what they're 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.600 looking at. So you're saying they're going to trade up 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.959 to four and take gyle pits the tight end, not 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.080 saying they're going to trade up at all. I'm just saying, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.880 if there's a possibility, I think that is what they 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.079 would do because they're in win now. Let's see what 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.840 Curve Warner has to say. Yes, the Hall of Famer. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.480 Next on the big red Rag presented by Santan Ford 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:58.959 in Gilbert current Warner with an absolutely perfect pass right 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.720 on the money. Old Graybeard looks sharp. Dudney his Kurt 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.679 Warner sick er water. Kurt. You have to be Kidney 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.520 right there, right bro By Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner using 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.040 the kung fu grip. You want to talk about cool 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:18.760 as a cucumber and the refrigerator, the gloved one leading 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.079 them down the field again. Wow, Kurt Warner isn't in 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.200 the zone. He is the zone. Kurt Warner could throw 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:30.040 a twinkie into a toaster. I mean, this guy is 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.760 on fire. Into the archives with the collective voice of 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.480 the Arizona Cardinal's day pass, Ron Wolfley talking about a 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.520 Super Bowl champion, a Super Bowl MVP, and NFL MVP, 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:47.400 Ron Wolfley, a guy I consider most responsible for changing 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:52.560 the culture and direction of the Arizona Cardinals. They're making 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.800 a movie out of his life story and can I 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.760 use the word irony when we're about to talk NFL 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.840 Draft with Kurt Warner and kurtis consider probably the greatest 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.600 undrafted player ever in the history of the NFL. Kurt, 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.840 how are we doing this evening? I am doing really 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.720 really well. How are you guys? We're doing Kurt? Thank 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.160 you so much for joining us, Man. We really appreciate it. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.120 As always, bro oah Man, always always a pleasure to 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.320 talk to you guys, and I know it's a fun 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.920 time of year as we're all involved in the NFL, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.000 and obviously you involved at the Cardinals that time of 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:25.720 year when we're getting close to the draft and all 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.480 the speculation and all the excitement, getting ready for what 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.360 plays out, and then to see how it plays out 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.959 next fall. You know, Cliff Kingsbury today mentioned he was 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.079 asked about Kyler and you just said, you know, to 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.240 his experience, and some of it is based on college 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.520 that guys in year three other NFL career, Now you 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.440 were the exception, but guys who come up as rookies 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.880 and then year three that that really is the liftoff 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.880 period in a lot of cases. Last year we saw 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.760 Baker Mayfield, we saw Josh Allen for example. To what 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.319 you read, do you think Kyler is poised for that 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:01.000 leap in year three? Well, I mean, I think when 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.000 you look at just the last two years, I thought 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.880 he made a nice leap from year one to year two. 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.360 I would say a lot of a lot of guys 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.000 in the league, a lot of players say that that's 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.400 where you make your biggest chump is from year one 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.120 to year two. As you come in the first year, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.599 you're just kind of a wide eyed rookie trying to 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.360 just survive and figure it out in a sixteen game 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.840 season and all that stuff. And then once you settle 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.560 in and you figure out what it's all about, you 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:30.240 can make a big jump into year two. But you know, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.680 the hope I believe for all young guys and all 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.600 quarterbacks specifically, is that you continue to see the progression 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.440 and you talk about the leap in year three. We 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.800 can go look at Josh Allen and the incredible leap 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.440 that he took last year. I mean almost transcendent that 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.680 I didn't know if he could ever he would ever 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.400 get to the point that he played at last year. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.040 And so now the expectation becomes, Okay, what's he going 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.560 to be the rest of his career? Can he live 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.880 up to that expectation that he said in year three? 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.560 But but yeah, I mean you want to see them 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.320 continue to progress and get better. I mean, let's remember, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:10.960 I mean, Kyler Murray for the first half of the 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.440 year was a part of the MVP conversation. So let's 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.920 not you know, let's not sit here and go, oh gosh, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.320 he's got to get so much better, or let's hope 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.520 he makes a big leap. I mean, he was in 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.840 that conversation for a big part of the year. Now, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.440 there is definitely room to grow because a lot of 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.280 that hype was around what he was doing with his 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.720 legs more than what he was doing with his arm, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.280 meaning just playing within the pocket and deciphering defenses and 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.840 some of that stuff. So that's where I want to 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.720 see him get better. But I felt he got a 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.280 lot more comfortable just in the role and playing the 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.640 position last year, and the game seemed to slow down 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.840 for him, and thus the reason he made a lot 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.680 of plays. Now. I think he just needs to grow 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.680 in that mental side of understanding what he's seeing, making 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.320 him more of the layups I like to call him, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:07.000 and not having to live in that special world which 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.520 we know he can do those things. But even the 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.080 best quarterbacks in the league that can do those things, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.920 the more they live in that world, the more their 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.200 team struggles, and the more they struggle as quarterbacks, the 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.080 less they live in that world. Meaning make the layups, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.600 make the plays you're supposed to do, and then give 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.040 us four five of those a game. Those are the 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.520 teams to me that really push the envelope and become 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:34.520 playoff teams and even can become championship teams because you know, 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.200 when you're playing against good teams, it is hard to 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:41.640 be that special player weekend and week out, ten twelve, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.560 fifteen times a game because everybody's so talented. So do 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.680 what you're supposed to do and then give me just 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.200 a little bit extra. It is press or. Today Cliff 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.120 Kingsbury was talking about the evolution of this offense. What 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.240 do you think that looks like in year three? Kurt, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:02.080 what do you think the evolution of this offense looks like? Yeah, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.879 I'm not really sure because I've still been trying to 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:10.160 figure out exactly what they are offensively. Now we talk 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:14.280 about the evolution. I believe brainon DeAndre Hopkins last year 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.280 helps every offense evolve because what you always want to 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.200 have in an offense is you want to have that guy, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.639 that guy that can play the ex position that a 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.159 team either a leaves one on one, which makes the 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.920 game easier for any play call or any offense, and 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.920 especially a young quarterback. Hey, DeAndre is one on one, Okay, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.440 I can go there a lot of the time. So 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.560 that's the first part of the evolution, is they have 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:46.200 that guy, that difference making guy over there at that position, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:51.359 and then the evolution becomes how far can we push 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.760 the envelope? Is a lot of offenses are very similar. 0:17:55.480 --> 0:18:00.320 What really separates offenses is the flexibility of players, the 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.879 ability to push the envelope with complimentary football in the 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.800 passing game, and then of course the ability of the 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:11.560 quarterback to handle all of that stuff, see those things 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.320 and allow the creativity of an offense to take shape 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.640 because they have the ability to see it and make 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.560 the plays that are supposed to be made. And so 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.880 that to me is when you talk about evolution. That's 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.080 what I'm waiting to see is that I know we 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.680 have DeAndre now, and I know Kyler can drop back 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.200 and throw it to DeAndre one on one anytime he wants, 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:35.200 and they've got a great rapport and that works. Now 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.800 I need to see, Okay, conceptually, can they create both 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.560 you know, coach Kingsbury and Kayler. Can they create a 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:49.840 special offense together where they can utilize the mind of 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.520 the coach with the physical abilities and the mind of 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.160 the quarterback and those things mesh together. Now you feel 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.520 like you've got everything at your find fingertips, and now 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.040 you give yourself the opportunity to really be dynamic offensively. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.600 We're on board with Kurt Warner. It's all about you, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.000 presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. We know need is 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.080 baked into every draft board. So when it comes to position, 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.960 and a lot of people would think Kyler needs another 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.480 weapon Kurt to go along with DeAndre Hopkins and AJ 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.520 Green and Christian Kirk and then others say, oh wait 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.000 a minute, you just lost Patrick Peterson. You need that 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.160 long term top knoch young corner. Is there a position 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:32.720 you feel strongly about the Cardinals need on Thursday night? Yeah, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.199 I think you hit on two that I would love 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.640 to see. You know, AJ Green signs of one year deal, 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.360 Malcolm Butler signs of one year deal. So good players, 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.880 especially if they stay healthy, but obviously not the long 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.080 term answers. And so in this day and age, you 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.920 want to have that shut down corner and Patrick gave 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.960 you that for so long. You love to be able 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.240 to replace that if you can find one of those guys. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.040 I know you have Byron already a young guy there, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.719 but you'd like to find a shutdown corner if you can. 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.560 The playmaking on offense, you know, we still don't know 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.000 what fits is going to do. But we know where 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.520 he's at in the mix, and they've got some nice 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:17.840 complimentary pieces, but don't have that. You know, obviously you'd 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.040 love to get another number one with DeAndre, but even 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.680 that complimentary, really strong number two to go on the 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.880 other side and give you some playmaking would be great. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.840 And then you know, to me, I always look at 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:35.240 weapons as really good offensive linemen, and so I would 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.480 have no problem if they found one of these really 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.080 you know, good offensive linemen, whether it's inside or outside, 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.440 to continue to solidify things up front, to protect Kyler, 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.439 to be able to run the football. So those are 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.600 those are three areas that I could see them go, 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:55.720 depending on how things shake out and who could fall where. 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:57.880 And you know, and I think you have some really good, 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.800 obviously wide receivers in the man and you've got some 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.040 really good cornerbacks as well. It's just a matter of 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.200 how highly you have these guys rated and where you 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.480 think they can fit. But those are three positions that 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.360 I could see them going any direction, depending on who 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.760 may be available, on how you know things may shake out. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:20.000 You know, it's amazing because a quarterback in a center, 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.280 you guys have special relationships for the most parts, and 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.240 we all know what we're talking about, but a quarterback 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.920 and a center for the most part. Many times in 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.399 my career i'd say the quarterback sitting down with a 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:36.000 center and having conversations, whether it was professional conversations or 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.720 personal conversations. What do you think, Kurtz, the impact of 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:44.439 Rodney Hudson may be on Kyler Murray? Well, the biggest 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.800 thing when you're playing quarterback is you want to play 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.200 quarterback and you don't want to worry about the guys 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.920