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Speaker 1: Mickey's Fagnola, Brian broad Us, Taylor Stern and Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It is Tuesday,
Speaker 1: so it is talking time, and we've got lots to
Speaker 1: talk about here at the Star in Brisco. Of course,
Speaker 1: I was joined by my lovely colleagues here. We've lots
Speaker 1: to fill you in on and and unfortunately I was
Speaker 1: informed pre show Mickey will not be debuting his single
Speaker 1: here today. Yeah, another time I did everybody of favor.
Speaker 1: You promised so many people. I did everybody of favor.
Speaker 1: Was that the duet with Dean Martin? Yes, absolutely, bringing
Speaker 1: him back to live Holograhamson. Maybe it was Perry Como,
Speaker 1: Perry Como there you go? Wow, you want to keep
Speaker 1: going back for I can go with you, Mickey, But nowadays,
Speaker 1: who knows we'll drop? Who will drop a single while
Speaker 1: we're on air today? Ever? Know that released? Yes? And
Speaker 1: it blew our minds. Yep, almost as much as the
Speaker 1: incredible Minnesota Miracle. How about that, Brian? You always say
Speaker 1: that it's hard to win in that place. Hard to win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were ten seconds or so from winning, So
Speaker 1: that's it's unfortunate. I actually talked to Sean Payton yesterday.
Speaker 1: What do you say I did. He just was saying
Speaker 1: that they needed to play better than the first half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was he did. Says, Hey, it doesn't come down
Speaker 1: to one play. He said, we made two many mistakes
Speaker 1: in the first half of that football game. First shutout
Speaker 1: for the New Orleans Saints in the first half, sixty
Speaker 1: one consecutive games. Wow, Yeah, the longest record in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he shouldn't fall behind seventeen. That's what I'm saying. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, if we made some mistakes, and you know, yes,
Speaker 1: everybody's saying, you know, the kid made made a big
Speaker 1: mistake there at the end, But we guess we just
Speaker 1: didn't play well enough the first half. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good spirits and all, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's a big opportunity they missed there, you know, and
Speaker 1: they're running. You're getting to the end of a career
Speaker 1: with with Drew Brees, you know, and you don't know
Speaker 1: how many more of those runs you're going to get
Speaker 1: to make, you know, and it all kind of comes down.
Speaker 1: You think you kind of have everything in control and
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out at the end. Lady. Yeah, A
Speaker 1: strange lady. It's a strange lady. Give the Vikings some
Speaker 1: credit though, for keep for the ability to keep playing
Speaker 1: at the end of that football game. So kept playing.
Speaker 1: Did he he's trying to avoid a penalty, right, I
Speaker 1: thought so? Yeah, I thought so, And he was Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson afterwards too. Yeah. I was good to hear that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they thought there was a flag or something, and well, honestly,
Speaker 1: like when the drive started, I thought they were in
Speaker 1: trouble because potentially because they haven't been able to stop
Speaker 1: him through the air the entire game, and a lot
Speaker 1: of grabbing and holding to prevent guys from running free.
Speaker 1: And that's eventually what they tried to avoid. Might have
Speaker 1: been a penalty anyway, because he was coming in early. Yeah, Williams,
Speaker 1: if you remember he also they had a third down
Speaker 1: play I believe, where he was in position defending the
Speaker 1: tight end along the sidelines and he had his back
Speaker 1: and his hands up and I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get him for not looking for the ball.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's and I'm thinking, well, that could
Speaker 1: have been a call right there, but no, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a that's tough stuff happens. Forty three two. Did
Speaker 1: you notice that it was the same number of the
Speaker 1: guy that Drew Pearson beat there for the hill Man. Oh, Nate, right,
Speaker 1: that was forty three. Yeah. Did you hear him come
Speaker 1: out and talk about that? Oh yeah, I was telling them,
Speaker 1: you know, Digs, this touchdown is going to stay with
Speaker 1: you for life. And yeah, it's pretty cool to hear
Speaker 1: him talk about it. Yeah, maybe it'll be immortalized in
Speaker 1: the future Minnesota Vikings. Maybe it gets Drew off the
Speaker 1: hook up there. Yeah. Yeah, Mike Zimmer was ten seconds
Speaker 1: away from losing another playoff game at home. You know,
Speaker 1: that just shows you what happens and how the trual manner.
Speaker 1: The other one was a missfield seven yard field goal.
Speaker 1: They were indoors this time. M Zim deserved it. He
Speaker 1: deserves something lucky to happen to him after everything he's
Speaker 1: been through. His eyes. That's a good point his eye.
Speaker 1: You know, family stuff. Sure, you know, even when he
Speaker 1: left here, he didn't want to leave, but his contract
Speaker 1: was up and Bill bagged his feet if he was
Speaker 1: going to stay or not, and he had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to go to Atlanta, and then that guy ups and
Speaker 1: leaves after did even finish his first year, left them
Speaker 1: all hanging there. Yeah, at Louisville. The head coach at Louisville,
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was he's had some tough, tough breaks
Speaker 1: and getting through that eye thing, and we all know
Speaker 1: how stubborn he is, and you know, he didn't want
Speaker 1: to miss the game to have surgery, and they basically
Speaker 1: told him, Okay, go blind, then lose the game or
Speaker 1: lose your eye. What do you what's more important to you?
Speaker 1: And they basically had to strap him down and then
Speaker 1: for him to come back and have something very fortunate
Speaker 1: happened to him. Seven Heaven was the name of the play.
Speaker 1: That's what they're calling it. That's no, that's the play. Oh.
Speaker 1: When Diggs was interviewed afterwards, they asked him what the
Speaker 1: play is and he goes, well, I don't like to
Speaker 1: talk about plays and names, but this one was called
Speaker 1: seven Heaven. So it's a seven route. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: basically Heaven like hope for the best, for the best,
Speaker 1: it's probably the same route that Witton ran that time
Speaker 1: and at the Giants, remember when Bill went up there
Speaker 1: and they got the game, kicked the field goal to
Speaker 1: get they ran out though I thought it was an
Speaker 1: out there. This wasn't out, yeah, but it was kind
Speaker 1: of a cross right the left side. This was to
Speaker 1: the right side. So Billy Kundiff right, yeah, fifty some
Speaker 1: yard field goal. Yeah, so is there time on the clock?
Speaker 1: You better better be careful. Stuff social man. These people
Speaker 1: who were filming themselves at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: there's this one guy, he's a Saints fan. He's in
Speaker 1: a huge bar. You can tell all Saints fans around him.
Speaker 1: And somebody comment and said, you can actually see the
Speaker 1: moment his heartbreaks and then there you know, there were
Speaker 1: different ones where they set the play to Titanic music.
Speaker 1: It was awesome as he's running into the end zone,
Speaker 1: arms wide open, just hilarious. Not as good as Jets
Speaker 1: danced to anything, Brian, but yeah, very club love Jets
Speaker 1: dancing love. That's but you know what they came around,
Speaker 1: and we're very compassionate. I thought all the people that
Speaker 1: met the team at the airport afterwards, I saw that
Speaker 1: there was a highway sign on I ten. It said,
Speaker 1: that's so, that's okay, Marcus, Uh, we love Saints pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice. And then, okay, did you see what the
Speaker 1: headline was at the time, picky expletive explative. I had
Speaker 1: to stacked expletive expletive expletive. Yeah, that's pretty good. I
Speaker 1: had to. I felt like I needed to call my
Speaker 1: dad and I did, and he's okay. I've been a
Speaker 1: fan for fifty years. Sat Yeah, it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's tough. He's up there. You know, you gotta worry
Speaker 1: about his heart a little bit. I love the whole
Speaker 1: Vikings hashtag of bring it home because they could. They
Speaker 1: could go to Philly next week and get a win
Speaker 1: and go to the Super Bowl playing in their own
Speaker 1: home stadium. Brian's been talking them up. They got the
Speaker 1: best defense in the league. I think it was a
Speaker 1: year early. Should have waited what Minnesota. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think last year I was kind of talking them up
Speaker 1: as a team I wouldn't want to have to play.
Speaker 1: You've been doing it this playoffs. I've been talking up
Speaker 1: the Eagles and I don't know, well AFC NFC title
Speaker 1: games case, Keenum, Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: What the quarterbacks? You love it? No? What was the schefter?
Speaker 1: I think he had the stat that it's like combined
Speaker 1: playoffs starts for those three guys about equal Brady super
Speaker 1: Bowl title list. Like it's uh, it's there's a disparity.
Speaker 1: There's anybody like Jacksonville going up to New England. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love it. You got a great defense in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you got a shot, yeah church Man, Yeah, why not
Speaker 1: get himself a ring? Maybe not say when everybody. Everybody
Speaker 1: keeps pointing out the quarterbacks. But what they failed to
Speaker 1: point out was the four teams that are left, they
Speaker 1: all are ranked in the top five in scoring defense defense.
Speaker 1: That's why you get away normally with a quarterback like
Speaker 1: Minnesota's first, Jacksonville's second, Philadelphia's fourth, in New England's fifth.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys, they were scoring defense in top ten
Speaker 1: in defense of the top like the top twelve teams. Uh,
Speaker 1: only two of them. Uh didn't make the play take
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The Chargers in Baltimore. Yeah, if you watch
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville against Pittsburgh, they're in the backfield almost every play.
Speaker 1: I mean, just making Ben's life miserable. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter whether you're the goat. You know, if they're gonna
Speaker 1: harass Brady like that, they got a shot. Would you
Speaker 1: put Jalen Ramsey on Gronkowski and take your chances with
Speaker 1: everybody else and think that that Boulle and those guys
Speaker 1: can cover up any other problems you have? I mean no,
Speaker 1: I'd have to think about that. Who's Who's the one
Speaker 1: weapon you would worry about in this type of a game? Gronkowski,
Speaker 1: I don't think you'd worry about the other guys. I
Speaker 1: think you worry some about a Mondola. They miss, they
Speaker 1: miss Edelman, they miss having that extra. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: been in space and catching more stuff down the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the games I've seen, why, well maybe and see I
Speaker 1: think I think Gronkowski, I think that I think Jacksonville
Speaker 1: can match up with these guys pretty if they can
Speaker 1: rush the quarterback the way they've been. But do you
Speaker 1: worry about make them hold the ball? Worry about Belichick
Speaker 1: drawing something up to throw Bortles off? Though? I mean
Speaker 1: this is that, Oh he's gonna make Bortles. He's gonna
Speaker 1: make Bortles have to beat him. Yeah, he's gonna make that.
Speaker 1: They did to the Titans. I mean they were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: your defense is decent, but we're just gonna expose your
Speaker 1: offense all day. Better not get in a forty five
Speaker 1: forty two game with New England. Yeah, I'll see that,
Speaker 1: but gosh, dang ro I mean the guy threw for
Speaker 1: almost five hundred yards in Pittsburgh. I know. I mean
Speaker 1: they got in a shootout game there and came out
Speaker 1: of the other end. Where do you think it's harder
Speaker 1: to play Hinesfield or New England? Well, New England playoffs.
Speaker 1: But but you know, the Steelers got beat twice this
Speaker 1: year by Jacksonville at home twice. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: happened since been ten twelve years. Maybe I was shocked
Speaker 1: that Pittsburgh couldn't stop their running game. Fournette was running
Speaker 1: all over him till he got hurt, and they worries
Speaker 1: about the same thing. That's where they went and got
Speaker 1: that dead Harrison because I can't set the edge. He's
Speaker 1: pretty good Fournett. Yeah, and you know it wasn't a
Speaker 1: lot of big runs. It was that three four z yes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it just kept pounding away when it should have
Speaker 1: been one or two. Yeah, you're right, that's what I
Speaker 1: thought of. It's like this is Zeke out there and
Speaker 1: they never let him, rarely get to the outside. It
Speaker 1: was all between the time Nate said it best defense
Speaker 1: and running game travels. Jacksonville's got that because they got
Speaker 1: a quarterback that won't turn the ball over. Though, Can
Speaker 1: you bring your horn with you to the way game?
Speaker 1: The horn the king? Oh, I don't want the Viking horn.
Speaker 1: Oh that's miserable. I wonder so if they play there,
Speaker 1: they're not allowed. They can't allowed to have that in
Speaker 1: the supermow right, they don't even run things like all
Speaker 1: their signing. Yeah, I heard they do. I do her.
Speaker 1: I did hear they get to use their facility if
Speaker 1: they play. Oh yeah, okay, they do get to use
Speaker 1: their facility if they play. They don't have to give
Speaker 1: it up like the Minnesota would probably be. The other
Speaker 1: players there was last time. Yeah it was. And they
Speaker 1: they've got a nice I think it's in the Ghirsky Center.
Speaker 1: It's what they I hope it's new compared to the
Speaker 1: one that the Bills. Oh it practiced in. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was an old like fieldhouse. Yeah, they've updated it. And
Speaker 1: I've told you about how Buffalo was worried about the
Speaker 1: at Southern cal The next year. Well, that year, there
Speaker 1: was a row at the end of offices up on
Speaker 1: the second floor. Sure, and they saw a light come
Speaker 1: on in one of the offices, and they went ballistic.
Speaker 1: It was the assistant coach's office for the University of Minnesota.
Speaker 1: They went running up there to see who was spying
Speaker 1: on who's doing it? Hey, the playbook got stolen from
Speaker 1: Alabama last week, so you never know. Let's see Jacksonville
Speaker 1: win this game. I really would. So you want Jacksonville Vikings?
Speaker 1: Is that what you're calling it? Super Bowl? They're still
Speaker 1: watch though, won't you? Yeah? I will say I think
Speaker 1: I want Jags Eagles. That'd be if they're going to
Speaker 1: get there, they better score more than fifteen points. Okay,
Speaker 1: do it? Defense is nas have a cheese teak? Yeah? Philly.
Speaker 1: You know so many people were against cheering for Philly
Speaker 1: this past weekend, saying I could never root for them.
Speaker 1: Why not, Brian, I know you're one of them. I
Speaker 1: used to work there too, you did. Oh we have
Speaker 1: footage of it and in the draft. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, just wondering who will be coaching for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys next year. Yeah, different things, you know,
Speaker 1: so many things happened last week. We had assumed Bisaccio
Speaker 1: would be joining the crew with John Gruden in Oakland,
Speaker 1: and that was confirmed when Gruden had his press conference.
Speaker 1: And then now you know Pollock, we learned that on Friday,
Speaker 1: I believe Friday was when that was announced that he
Speaker 1: would be going up to the Bengals. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: Paula Xander came down here. And now last night, you know,
Speaker 1: we see on Facebook, which is always a handy resource, Eberflus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: most likely confirmed to head on up to be the
Speaker 1: DC with a good old Josh McDaniels. So, yeah, at work,
Speaker 1: Colts Colts, Yeah, Colts Colts. It's craziness around here, coaching craziness.
Speaker 1: But they haven't announced that he got the job yet
Speaker 1: right now, they've they've assume he's got it, though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've told candidates that were attached to the job or
Speaker 1: guys that interviewed that they're going in a different direction.
Speaker 1: So they were kind of clearing the decks in case
Speaker 1: those guys need to go get other jobs. They don't.
Speaker 1: You don't want to hold somebody up and yeah, without
Speaker 1: them having the opportunity. But it does sound like Matt's
Speaker 1: going to go on, you know, and that's a great
Speaker 1: opportunity for him if he becomes the defensive coordinator with
Speaker 1: the Colts. Good for him. You know, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: some people out there saying, well, you know, why would
Speaker 1: you know, why would you not make a move with
Speaker 1: the guy here and do that, But you know, coach
Speaker 1: is obviously a head coach, and ownership feels comfortable with
Speaker 1: uh with coach Marinelli, So you're not going to make
Speaker 1: a switch there. Got to figure that out, though, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta have some position coaches to h to hire.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's a lot of movement for a staff
Speaker 1: that's retaining its head coach and two coordinators. Two coordinators.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's uh. I made a little list
Speaker 1: before we cut on the air, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: six seven positions that are in flux right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could just go down the list just one assistant
Speaker 1: coming back? Is that all read us? The list? I
Speaker 1: heard of Gary Brown, Gary Brown, Garry Brown. I had
Speaker 1: heard before he even went to Oakland that they wanted
Speaker 1: him back, absolutely yeah, and that he wanted to be
Speaker 1: here right, had some opportunities dragged their feet, and it
Speaker 1: was like he better watch out for himself. Houston was
Speaker 1: a team that was in as well with him, and
Speaker 1: then I know he got some interest from Penn State,
Speaker 1: which is his alma mater. Oh really so yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that was kind of one of those things that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're kind of taking their time on
Speaker 1: this the search, which you know we thought that they right.
Speaker 1: But Paul Alexander seems to be in the building. Gary
Speaker 1: Brown will they had him in here for his interview
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. What's your list? Um? What would okay said?
Speaker 1: Gary Brown, Why would you need to interview Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and as of you know, over the weekend, it sounded
Speaker 1: like he wasn't back in a return. Um, you can
Speaker 1: just go down the list. Hey, Wade Wilson at quarterbacks coach,
Speaker 1: we talked about him last week. They've got to replace him,
Speaker 1: could be Kellen Moore, could be somebody with a little
Speaker 1: more experience, and maybe Kellen has a role somewhere on
Speaker 1: the staff. We'll have to see. They got to replace
Speaker 1: Derek Dooley at wide receivers coach, tight ends coach Steve
Speaker 1: Loani's retiring. We mentioned Paul Alexander. We can get into
Speaker 1: him a little bit um. And then there's some question
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the staff. Joe Baker Greg
Speaker 1: Jackson reportedly have expiring contracts. There's been reports that you know,
Speaker 1: Baker's not expected to come back, not confirmed by the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And then we talked about Eber Flu So, I mean
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a long list for Garrett to address.
Speaker 1: How much credit would you give Ebert flu for the
Speaker 1: development of Anthony Hitchins. I think he was one of
Speaker 1: the guys involved in bringing Anthony Hitchins here on the
Speaker 1: workouts and stuff like that. I I like what you know,
Speaker 1: Matt has always had a good relationship with those linebackers.
Speaker 1: I mean talking to Sean Lee about him. I know, Sean,
Speaker 1: He's always shown so positive to begin with. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think they really liked Matt. Matt's a tough guy.
Speaker 1: We've all watched Matt coach at out in training camp.
Speaker 1: He's very vocal. He's in your face, you know, he's
Speaker 1: he appeared to me and watching him how he worked
Speaker 1: with Rod Marinelli was a little bit of a sounding board,
Speaker 1: you know. There was you know when you watched how
Speaker 1: the plays or the defensive calls went in, they went
Speaker 1: through Eberflus to get to the field. So yeah, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of I feel like that that they're
Speaker 1: losing a guy that they they had a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for, you know, to your point, he was he
Speaker 1: got that passing game coordinator title before last season, so
Speaker 1: he was involved in kind of that. They're trying to
Speaker 1: shore up the communication between the front seven and the
Speaker 1: secon and Darry and you know, by the end of
Speaker 1: the season, with those young players back there, they did
Speaker 1: a nice job. Yeah, so everybody kind of felt has
Speaker 1: felt like he's been the air apparent for Rod, but
Speaker 1: you know it's looking like maybe it's not heading that way. Well,
Speaker 1: I was thinking maybe they can with Besacchi leaving, they
Speaker 1: can entice him to stay and name him assistant head
Speaker 1: coach and stay at linebacker kind of a in a
Speaker 1: place setting until Rod decides he wants to retire. But
Speaker 1: you know last year he had some feelers too in
Speaker 1: the Frans Cisco Cowboys didn't let him interview, right, So
Speaker 1: you had a feeling with an expiring contract that if
Speaker 1: somebody came after him with the same opportunity, that he
Speaker 1: would take it. I'm just and I'm not talking out
Speaker 1: of turn here, I don't believe, but you got to
Speaker 1: look at your situation with these coaches and really, what's
Speaker 1: what's ahead for Jason Garrett. This is is an important year
Speaker 1: for Jason Garrett going forward. How does it How do
Speaker 1: you think that impact? It does? Because because coaches, I
Speaker 1: know I'm asking you what you're saying, No, I think
Speaker 1: it does. I think that coaches look at situations and say, okay,
Speaker 1: do I you know coaches that don't have a job
Speaker 1: or out of contract, you want to keep your name active,
Speaker 1: you want to keep coaching. You know, whether you make
Speaker 1: a one year stop in Dallas and then it turns
Speaker 1: into four years at the Colts or three years with
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, whoever. But you got to keep your name
Speaker 1: in the minute you fall out, people forget about you,
Speaker 1: out of sight, out of mind, unless you're North Turner
Speaker 1: in Carolina. That that was a little bit of a
Speaker 1: shocker there to me. But coaches see, you know, they
Speaker 1: see like, Okay, if I can move on and get
Speaker 1: three more years, get four more years, that'll make me. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'll be fifty seven years old, fifty eight, I'll have
Speaker 1: enough money. I'll have the Lakehouse paid for down in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: and I can just if I get let go, I
Speaker 1: could just go be that guy. John Gruden just got
Speaker 1: a ten year contract in Oakland, so he's going anywhere.
Speaker 1: Not the garretted but Andy and they had to four
Speaker 1: and they had to make the contracts with these guys
Speaker 1: where it's like two years in Oakland and two years
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. So yeah, I mean you're looking at security,
Speaker 1: You're to think, how can I you know, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: this will be a job that if there's not success,
Speaker 1: at least getting into the playoffs, that that will be
Speaker 1: under scrutiny as will there be a change, which means
Speaker 1: if these guys that are available for jobs have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: like two, where are you going? Yeah, you're going to
Speaker 1: go somewhere where a new head coach just got hired
Speaker 1: and has a four year contract. Or are you're going
Speaker 1: to go somewhere where everybody's saying you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: nobody in the organization, but the media is point pointing out, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh if he doesn't do this, Yeah, you're gonna take
Speaker 1: that chance. Yeah, now if you if you don't have
Speaker 1: another opportunity, you will. But if you got to weigh
Speaker 1: a decision, that's going to factor in that. And and money,
Speaker 1: give me the security, give me the way that I
Speaker 1: can continue on. I understand. Hey, there's those guys here
Speaker 1: that don't want to leave. I mean, they don't want
Speaker 1: to lead. Their contracts are up, and they've they've made
Speaker 1: a choice. The organization is made a choice. And then
Speaker 1: there's some guys that they made choice. For you. We
Speaker 1: talked about Joe Baker. I don't think Joe Baker wanted
Speaker 1: to leave, but you know he was. They're not bringing
Speaker 1: him back We talked about this a little bit, and
Speaker 1: it's different circumstances at my alma mater and m but
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher, now he got major money to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But it was also an opportunity where you know, Florida State,
Speaker 1: maybe you could get fired next year, could be you know,
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden he's got a ten
Speaker 1: year opportunity. It ain't it. Not that it's a better
Speaker 1: job than Florida State, but it was an opportunity for security.
Speaker 1: Not that anything is truly guaranteeding coaching though sometimes no,
Speaker 1: not at all, year to year pretty much for coaches, Yeah,
Speaker 1: operate under that. No, you gotta win. It's a replacement business. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So tell me about Paul Alexander. You know, he is
Speaker 1: confirmed to be the new ALIGNE coach here, pretty much
Speaker 1: the new official hire that we have so far down
Speaker 1: that list. What should we know about him? Go ahead,
Speaker 1: mc no, I was gonna say, have they made the announcement? Yes? Here.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's official yet official title. I think
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be here, presumably to run the old line.
Speaker 1: As Taste said, I think Mark Colombo is still going
Speaker 1: to have a role and something prominent on the staff,
Speaker 1: whether it's still assistant or line coach. Maybe it's another
Speaker 1: position on staff. But I think you can count on
Speaker 1: him being there because he was in the mix to
Speaker 1: maybe take over for Pollock. But yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 1: he's this guy ran the Bengals a line for twenty
Speaker 1: three years. He's got a lot of experience and kind
Speaker 1: of what Brian spoke about on our show last week,
Speaker 1: bring some ideas, some new ideas, yeah, viewpoint of things
Speaker 1: coming from the outside on how to maybe you know,
Speaker 1: improve what they're doing with the run game, with the
Speaker 1: past protection, all that kind of stuff. He learned under
Speaker 1: when I first started the league. He learned under a
Speaker 1: line coach named Jim McNally. Who is it. Yeah, Jim
Speaker 1: McNally is a was a very successful coach with the
Speaker 1: Bengals when in the Boomers, Sias and Era. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at Anthony Muno's guys like that, you know,
Speaker 1: he coached a lot of those guys and Paul Alexander
Speaker 1: came in and learned from him. Again, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's a little bit more They talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, power schemes and zone schemes and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry so much much about that. Paul Alexander
Speaker 1: can adapt to whatever scheme they want him to run.
Speaker 1: If it's going to be his own scheme, he coaches
Speaker 1: do it with the players that they have. If you know,
Speaker 1: he obviously came in and said hey listen. You know
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and scotland Ham when they interviewed him last week,
Speaker 1: they said, hey, listen, this is what we do. And
Speaker 1: Paul says, well, this is this is what I've used
Speaker 1: to do at Cincinnati. Yeah, and this is how you know.
Speaker 1: And a lot of it has to do with when
Speaker 1: you don't have the personnel to do what you want
Speaker 1: to do, you have to adapt. You have to adapt
Speaker 1: your personnel to the scheme in order to have success.
Speaker 1: And I think that if you look at Paul Alexander,
Speaker 1: he will be so happy to walk out on that
Speaker 1: practice field and know that he's got three Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: players and one potentially at right tackle that could be
Speaker 1: on the cusp of being that guy, the next guy,
Speaker 1: the next to the four, and then now let's figure
Speaker 1: out who's playing left guard. It's going to be a
Speaker 1: really a good opportunity for him to come in and
Speaker 1: have that ability to kind of mold the group. He's
Speaker 1: not going to sit there and try and reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not the plan. The plan is to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: what can I see in my guys that will be
Speaker 1: different than you know, what he had in Cincinnati because
Speaker 1: he can come with ideas about how to run the football,
Speaker 1: how to have some success. Look at what they go.
Speaker 1: You can go all the way back to some of
Speaker 1: the backs that they have, and I know people have said, oh,
Speaker 1: they finished in the bottom half of rushing and some
Speaker 1: you know, look at the personnel. When they had guys
Speaker 1: that were you know, when they had top talent lineman,
Speaker 1: they were good. They were good at running the football.
Speaker 1: You know, you get I you know, you go all
Speaker 1: the way back. I mean, the Bengals have had some
Speaker 1: backs come through there, the Ruddy Johnson's and Corey Dillons
Speaker 1: of the world. They've had guys that have run the football.
Speaker 1: And not not just high level guy. I mean, they've
Speaker 1: had guys. So to say that, oh, Paul Alexander, it's
Speaker 1: a bad higher dat I don't. I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: I will say this though, if Paul Alexander and this
Speaker 1: group fails, then you can complain about somebody else next year.
Speaker 1: I'll say that, but I think you have to give
Speaker 1: Paul Alexander chance again. I respect what he's done in
Speaker 1: his career and then what he who he learned from
Speaker 1: with Jim McNally. I think Jim mcnalley is one of
Speaker 1: the best line coaches I've ever seen. I think it
Speaker 1: was a situation too where they changed offensive coordinators in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati mid season, brought in Bill Laser. Did a nice
Speaker 1: job down the same zen, wasn't it. Yeah, a few
Speaker 1: games were Ken Zampaz, Yeah, yes, and yeah yes, they
Speaker 1: got shut out like two games in a row and
Speaker 1: they fired him, right and Brian mentioned it. They did
Speaker 1: struggle running the ball, and I think Paul was kind
Speaker 1: in charge of that part of the operation and maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, they just wanted he wanted his own guy
Speaker 1: in there, you know. But you can't argue with the experience.
Speaker 1: And you got to have players in this league. And
Speaker 1: if there's no players, when when they're healthy, When Tyrant's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's as good as it is in the league. I
Speaker 1: could say. I think that everybody needs to take a
Speaker 1: step back and let this thing play out, you know,
Speaker 1: and and I think it's important for Jason Garrett. I
Speaker 1: mean to me, I look at this, I would rather
Speaker 1: have veteran coaches come in here that do have some
Speaker 1: different ideas. Nothing against young guy, nothing against Mark Colombo,
Speaker 1: but let Mark Colombo learn another year. So let him learn,
Speaker 1: you know, and if if things work out, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you lose Mark Colombo. Maybe you don't want
Speaker 1: to lose Mark Colombo. But I think that in just saying, okay,
Speaker 1: elevate this guy, elevate this guy, and you have the
Speaker 1: same thing. No, no, yeah, because I'm thinking about some
Speaker 1: other young guys that are helping on certain position groups.
Speaker 1: Of course, Kyle Valero has been with Duelly since I
Speaker 1: think Dully got here. Yeah. I mean, and if you
Speaker 1: if you talk to people about Kyle Valero, he is
Speaker 1: really Scott Linahan's caddy. I mean Scott Linahan. There's certain coaches,
Speaker 1: and I mean this in respect, there's certain coaches that
Speaker 1: need guys underneath them that get practice, ready to get
Speaker 1: the you know, the cards, ready to get to the
Speaker 1: film ready. You have to have guys like that. You
Speaker 1: have to have young guys that are the grinder guys.
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. I talked about him earlier.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. I was on a staff in Philadelphia. Sean
Speaker 1: Payton was John Gruden's caddy at Philadelphia. Sean was responsible
Speaker 1: for everything to get practice ready, the film ready, the
Speaker 1: meeting ready, all that. You know, you have to see there,
Speaker 1: you have to be there. Yeah, so you know that's
Speaker 1: that you need guys like that. But if you're elevating
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that might not have the experience,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a little bit of a different That's
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, if I'm a fan, I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: why elevate a bunch of guys. Have a bunch of
Speaker 1: young guys. I don't mind one or two guys, but
Speaker 1: if you had the whole staff of young guys, you
Speaker 1: might not get the same ideas. And I do think
Speaker 1: you could see an assistant or to be promoted here
Speaker 1: to the guys that are well respected on the staff,
Speaker 1: that have a shot at it. Sure, But but yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think they're obviously with Paul Exander, they're looking
Speaker 1: outside the organization, looking at ways they can fix things
Speaker 1: and experience. I mean, the guy was in you know,
Speaker 1: twenty five years with one organization. I think that says
Speaker 1: a lot about him. Plus he played, yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was assistant head coach also, so he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of experience, you know. And sometimes it's not always bad
Speaker 1: to have some different voices, no, because if you if
Speaker 1: you keep this and I know Tom Landry did wonderful
Speaker 1: with basically his same staff forever. But sometimes you got
Speaker 1: to get in some new ideas and a new voice.
Speaker 1: And I think guys react when there's a new position coach.
Speaker 1: Think about when you played and you got a new
Speaker 1: coach or you moved to the next level. How hard
Speaker 1: did you try to impress the new coach? Right? And
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when you get the same voice all
Speaker 1: the time, you take it for granted, and so you
Speaker 1: know this might you never know, it might juice them. Now,
Speaker 1: from a continuity standpoint, you hate to do almost the
Speaker 1: entire staff if you just have Gary Brown coming back,
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo, Leon Lett. But other than that, it's it's
Speaker 1: all changing. And yeah, you got to find a special
Speaker 1: teams coach. I think Brian mentioned players and you've got zekes.
Speaker 1: The running game should be the running game here, not
Speaker 1: saying that coaching doesn't matter, but I think with with
Speaker 1: Zeke in place, they're going to run the football. Pass protection,
Speaker 1: to me is the biggest thing. Mickey spoken to that
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Dak got twenty two of his thirty
Speaker 1: two sacks in the final eight games of the season.
Speaker 1: They've got to find a way to fix that. With
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith on the field, you hope he's playing sixteen
Speaker 1: games next year, but without him, maybe that's a depth thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe you gotta get better personnel potentially, but maybe there's
Speaker 1: that's a coaching thing too. Can you find ways to
Speaker 1: scheme things up and do a better job of protecting
Speaker 1: your quarterback? We'll see no doubt. I mean, you're talking
Speaker 1: about elevating guys with young, young guys. Kellen Moore's in
Speaker 1: the mix obviously for Wade Wilson's jobs or by coach,
Speaker 1: and then last week we heard Miles Austin's name thrown
Speaker 1: around a little bit for Dooley's spot. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think about that. I think that there was a
Speaker 1: lot of speculation on a lot of guys being elevated,
Speaker 1: and my understanding was they were going to make an
Speaker 1: extensive search for guys that were availed bull and he
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be just this automatic rising of guys
Speaker 1: that have been helping out like they're candidates, they're they're
Speaker 1: getting looks. But by the end about Miles was he
Speaker 1: coached the year as he coached, he's been on the
Speaker 1: personnel side. Yeah, yeah, assistant. Yeah, so you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he gets maybe he moves from assist the personnel department
Speaker 1: and they make him like Leon started, Yeah, you're the
Speaker 1: assistant assistant wide receivers coach. But I don't know that
Speaker 1: he could run a room. Yeah. I just think overall though,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean I hate to be get off
Speaker 1: my lawn. Yeah, back of the day guy. But when
Speaker 1: I started in this league in nineteen ninety two, these
Speaker 1: coaching staffs were really small, and to be honest with
Speaker 1: I think they were better, you know, because guys had
Speaker 1: to coach their position. You know, Now you have assistance
Speaker 1: to the assistance going any going any team's website, and
Speaker 1: look at all the assistant coaches to assistant coaches to
Speaker 1: assistant coaches. You know, give me the to me. It's
Speaker 1: it's when the staffs were smaller, you did you had
Speaker 1: guys like Butch Davis, Robert Ford, you know, Dave Wanstead,
Speaker 1: Dave Campbell. You had, you had guys coaching positions. You
Speaker 1: didn't have a bunch of other assistance guys. You had
Speaker 1: these guys that were locked in and the players were
Speaker 1: not formed off to another guy. They were coached by,
Speaker 1: you know, they were coached by Dave Wanstead or Butch Davis.
Speaker 1: So those guys and they didn't have anybody else to
Speaker 1: go cry on their shoulder if they didn't like with
Speaker 1: the assistant coach. Exactly, exactly. You always get another sounding
Speaker 1: board when you have too many of those game. Good
Speaker 1: players make good coaches. Yeah, well, I'm sure there will
Speaker 1: be much to learn about this week as we continue
Speaker 1: on hearing about the coaching changes here. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we will have Rob's Twitter pool and we'll get into
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler's comments, and maybe Mickey will feel vocal at
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Speaker 1: lot of discussion in one point. We'll get to free
Speaker 1: agency here in the coming weeks. But I thought it'd
Speaker 1: be interesting to throw this past you guys. Besides DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Anthony Hitchins. We know the Cowboys want to
Speaker 1: bring those guys back. David Irving's a restricted free agent.
Speaker 1: Which of these unrestricted free agents to be? Do you
Speaker 1: guys think the Cowboys need to bring back most? All right?
Speaker 1: Four options? Bryce Butler, tay teased him in the break,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper, LP, Latticer or Alfred Morris. But you a
Speaker 1: lot of fans didn't realize LP was a free agent.
Speaker 1: I know, right, We always just forget about him. How
Speaker 1: are you exactly? Until you know? Because he never makes
Speaker 1: a mistake, we take him for granted. You guys got LP.
Speaker 1: WHOA you don't take him for granted? Mick, Nope, I
Speaker 1: agree with Mickey, Okay, LP. Yeah, out of that list
Speaker 1: LP best at his job, most consistent at his job. Right, Sure,
Speaker 1: we talk about who's the best at his job. You're right,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, the best at his job? You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we used to say say about Dan Bailey too? Is
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey the best his job? But I think the
Speaker 1: consistency that you've had in the special teams is a
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with LP the operation,
Speaker 1: the operation clean every time. Exactly, yeah, exactly. Well, he
Speaker 1: almost wins the poll. He gets thirty seven percent. Forty
Speaker 1: three percent goes to Jonathan Cooper. You're starting left guard
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. Now, we'll see they could they could
Speaker 1: try to upgrade that position. He might get a better
Speaker 1: offer elsewhere. What do you guys think about that? I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, seriously, why why do you say seriously? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't mind bringing him back, but I'm not going
Speaker 1: to over extend myself with a contract to bring him back.
Speaker 1: Do you draft a guard? Yes, you gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 1: We brought up on the Draft Show this morning, Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: the tackle from University of Texas. I've been saying it
Speaker 1: for two weeks. I want to tackle. You could play
Speaker 1: second third round somewhere in there forth. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't convince you to do it at nineteen if
Speaker 1: he can play tackle and transition to guard. If it
Speaker 1: was like something that there wasn't anything else that entice me,
Speaker 1: I would do that. Absolutely. We had a mail back
Speaker 1: question about this this morning as well, and you said,
Speaker 1: because the question was, can you find that guy in
Speaker 1: free agency? And yeah, it's probably easier to do with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna draft that thing. I would I would rather
Speaker 1: draft it, yeah, because if he's in free agency, somebody
Speaker 1: else didn't think he was good enough to start for him.
Speaker 1: See the thing about it is, though, you know, it's
Speaker 1: funny we sent that Klais Campbell's to a great job.
Speaker 1: If the one team that hit on free agency, they're
Speaker 1: in the AFC Championship right now. Yeah, but they had
Speaker 1: the most money. They no no, no, no money to
Speaker 1: fail in free a Yeah, but they evaluate the position right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they evaluated Clais Campbell right, and they evaluated Booya right.
Speaker 1: And they've also got those some that's hard to do.
Speaker 1: That's hard to do in free agency. Jacksonville also, they've
Speaker 1: been bad for a lot of years, but they hit
Speaker 1: on their draft picks too. They've got a lot of
Speaker 1: homegrown guys that are doing a hell of a job,
Speaker 1: specifically on defense, Ramsey Jack. So it's a combination. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they've they've what you're saying, though, I know
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I mean they had, like they were
Speaker 1: like sixty million underneath the cap, so they could overpay
Speaker 1: Bury Church where the Cowboys couldn't do that. They could
Speaker 1: overpay Klais Callendar H. Campbell, where Arizona probably didn't have
Speaker 1: the space to do it, right, Okay in Arizona. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're stupid, like, oh, this guy's not that good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes your hands are tied. Yeah, but if you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of money and overpay what the money all thought,
Speaker 1: You're right, we all thought Barry Church was pretty good.
Speaker 1: We all thought, sure, I thought he was the one
Speaker 1: to bring back. It was more a money thing. Yeah, pay,
Speaker 1: But they've evaluated they did a good job. I know.
Speaker 1: And I don't wake about Jacks. We've talked about them earlier.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I kind of to me if at nineteen,
Speaker 1: if if it presented itself, I wouldn't be against draft
Speaker 1: in an offensive lineman. I really wouldn't. I mean, because
Speaker 1: we kind of talk about what were the biggest issues
Speaker 1: last year, what was the biggest issues with this team.
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting discussion because it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to make it the draft show, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I think you have to be prepared. Mickey's right,
Speaker 1: if you could get a guy that could play guard
Speaker 1: or as a tackle that could play guard. And I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about what you tried to do with Chaz Green.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about legitimately can go play at nineteen you're
Speaker 1: at the very end of your free agent or it's
Speaker 1: gonna be your first round grades. In my opinion, you are.
Speaker 1: So we had eighteen last year, Yeah, with Connor, and
Speaker 1: the running back was the last one, right am? I right? Yes,
Speaker 1: the kid that that Minnesota took running back from Florida State,
Speaker 1: Calvin Cook. Yeah, exactly right. So it's one of those things, Tay,
Speaker 1: that you you make sure that the strength of your
Speaker 1: team is still the strength of your team. Your offensive line,
Speaker 1: I mean, stack it up, try to make sure that
Speaker 1: it's still solid because you rely so much on your
Speaker 1: running game and protecting your quarterback, and maybe we expect
Speaker 1: too much out of your three Pro bowlers, you know,
Speaker 1: so if you can find a guy that can make
Speaker 1: sure that you're still really solid there, maybe you do it.
Speaker 1: No matter what, It's going to be an expensive year
Speaker 1: for the oh line because you got it lock in
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, right, and they're comfortable with that. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: been planning for that. Yeah, expected. See that's to me,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, look at the situation offensive line, linebacker,
Speaker 1: which one in the first Yeah, nineteen, I'd probably go
Speaker 1: with a linebacker if I knew he's a walk in starter.
Speaker 1: Yeahs matter if Hitchens is back or not, you still
Speaker 1: feel you need that guy. Even if he's back. If Hitch,
Speaker 1: if you do sign Hitchens, you're gonna you're gonna go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. See again Draft show Tam. I'm sorry, no, no,
Speaker 1: but but but it's a it's a personnel thing that
Speaker 1: they've got to decide um and and I think it
Speaker 1: all comes down to you can say all the nice
Speaker 1: things you want about Jalen Smith. Yeah, is he a
Speaker 1: sixty snap a game starter? That's and I don't know
Speaker 1: that they can answer that, as he was doing really
Speaker 1: well down the stretch, playing maybe a little less than
Speaker 1: thirty something like that. Yeah, because because teams didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to plan for him, to over expose him, right,
Speaker 1: or to expose him. Everybody you talk to feel like
Speaker 1: that he's getting more flex in the foot, you know, more, more,
Speaker 1: more of that. You know where we were. You know,
Speaker 1: initially it wasn't as good, right, and now you're starting
Speaker 1: to see he's having control of his foot. But I
Speaker 1: just like what Stephen Jones said that that when you
Speaker 1: look at it and if you can, then they need
Speaker 1: all three of those guys, right. They need Sean, they
Speaker 1: need Jalen, and they need hitch And they came right
Speaker 1: out of his mouth a week ago. It's such a
Speaker 1: position of attrition because those guys take a beating. I
Speaker 1: mean it's just a physical, physical position and they I
Speaker 1: think nine combined games lost by Lee and Hitchins last
Speaker 1: year alone. I mean, think about it. We understand what
Speaker 1: Sean is. You know, he can blame himself for not
Speaker 1: being available for sixteen games. Okay, fine, but stuff happens,
Speaker 1: right and you're you're not one hundred percent sure on
Speaker 1: what Jalen Smith is. So to me, yeah, linebacker's got
Speaker 1: to be up there, you know, near the top listeners
Speaker 1: thinking what if that left guard, like it, say, if
Speaker 1: as a Connor Williams, Texas again can play left tackle
Speaker 1: if something happens to Smith. Yeah, if that, if that
Speaker 1: guy legitimately your left guard is a starting tackle kind
Speaker 1: of a tackle ability, I'd be down with that. At nineteen,
Speaker 1: absolutely it see that's over. I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're doing this, if you're picking it four or
Speaker 1: at six or eight, one of those places you can
Speaker 1: kind of hone in on a guy. I think at
Speaker 1: nineteen you're at the mercy of the board and you
Speaker 1: have to say, maybe you have to think about this
Speaker 1: thing a little unconventionally. You know, everything's well, offensive line
Speaker 1: is a strength of a team. Well, we've also said
Speaker 1: this that offensive line was one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: team struggled overall. We felt like it wasn't all on them,
Speaker 1: but we kind of felt like they got they got
Speaker 1: held hostage at left tackle. Wasn't good enough. Whoever they
Speaker 1: put out there, it wasn't good enough for sixteen weeks
Speaker 1: with the exception, and there were times when we were
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith wasn't as Tyrn Smith best. You know, No,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's got to be a high
Speaker 1: priority and you cannot let, like you just said, that
Speaker 1: one position muck up everything. As for the linebacker, I
Speaker 1: would be looking for a two for one there somebody
Speaker 1: that can play linebacker. But what about putting your hand
Speaker 1: on the ground on on on nickel situations and rushing
Speaker 1: as a defensive end. Somebody can give me some little
Speaker 1: extra there, so kind of more of a versatile UH
Speaker 1: type player and I could qualify that. Look, you can
Speaker 1: just name me a position, and I bet I can
Speaker 1: qualify taking it pretty high. Name any position. Wide receiver, Yes,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead and take him. No, I'm saying
Speaker 1: why not? Why not? Who's your who's your backup if
Speaker 1: Dez goes back? Yes? Yeah, who who's your backup? Who's
Speaker 1: your starting if Witton goes down? Who's your starting tight end?
Speaker 1: Jeff Swaim? How you feel about I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they I think four games but sixteen yeah?
Speaker 1: Um yeah yeah, D line you can never have enough
Speaker 1: pass rushers, D tackle, you got corner, corner, safety, sure,
Speaker 1: I mean you got you got to me and not
Speaker 1: knowing what's going to happen with Scandrick, you have three
Speaker 1: guys you can count on. Now. Is Marquez White ready
Speaker 1: to be your fourth if Scandrick's not here, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think you just need good players, and I
Speaker 1: don't think any position is going to say, oh I
Speaker 1: can't have one of those? What if? What if there's
Speaker 1: a nice quarterback at the fifth round? Yeah, nice little QB.
Speaker 1: I got no problems with that. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love this one. Take one at nineteen a quarterback? Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably not, Probably not. Take one of the second round.
Speaker 1: Still too high. There a guy you got in mind, Brian, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get I'm just trying to he's
Speaker 1: trying to get He's trying to get some competition from Prescott. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure I'm trying to figure out though,
Speaker 1: Oh do we have a big group behind us to
Speaker 1: turn around and wave and say, actually, no, please do Yeah,
Speaker 1: Micky's gonna wait for it. I'll do it. But welcome
Speaker 1: to the Star. By the way, But at nineteen you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know, but you would take an offensive lineman at night? Yes? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: What position other than the quarterback would you not take
Speaker 1: at nineteen? Kicker? Punter, well, yeah, deep snapper, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: I would I don't think I I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: take a center. Yeah yeah, what the center could play guard?
Speaker 1: Would running? I want him to play tackle? That's interesting, Yes,
Speaker 1: she asked running back? Uh yes, uh not not with
Speaker 1: the first round pick, second or third? I would take one. Yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Who's I mean? I think Rod Smiths got a chance
Speaker 1: to be your backup running back, but has a chance.
Speaker 1: But could you what was the guy you wanted? The
Speaker 1: kind of dunbar like guy? I want that toy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The guy to where did you go to? Chargers? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They who pick him right before? No? Philadelphia did right?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Pumphrey the kid from San Diego. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: give me give me a guy that can scatter around. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you guys catch wind of aolve Bryce Butler's comments last week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: get it, Mick, Yes, I saw it. Ask you this,
Speaker 1: ask a question today. Bryce Butler better player talent wise
Speaker 1: than Terrence Williams. I'm not comparison to touchdowns this year.
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing him to Bryant. I'm keeping it out
Speaker 1: of that. But does he have a point about Terrence Williams?
Speaker 1: And but see Bryce Butler, I don't see him as
Speaker 1: a z you know, that. But but does he does
Speaker 1: he have a point about how much time he should
Speaker 1: have played? Here was thinking about Terrence Williams. Let me
Speaker 1: just read this quickly. Terrence Williams got paid last year.
Speaker 1: So there are times where I was like, I'm making plays.
Speaker 1: Aren't we trying to win games? Why am I not
Speaker 1: on the field. But that's the only thing I can
Speaker 1: really think of. He's not going after Daz, He's but
Speaker 1: in our mind if you're watching, remember him coming out
Speaker 1: of training camp. Yeah, and a really good camp. And
Speaker 1: then what happened early in the season. Yeah, what start
Speaker 1: dropping balls? Drop dropping them? And then you lose confidence
Speaker 1: in a guy. Yeah, and when you're only getting three
Speaker 1: opportunities or four opportunities in a game, sure you can't
Speaker 1: go two for four. Sure. So and he had the
Speaker 1: foot down the stretch too, well, he had it almost
Speaker 1: all year. Yeah, they got hurting training camp, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so into training camp. He didn't factor that into all
Speaker 1: his comments. But you know, if I'm him, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure he was listening to his agent. I'm a free agent.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have gone that route. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: eliminating one team. Yeah, I want all thirty two wanting me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to start eliminating people. Maybe he kind
Speaker 1: of feels like the ridings on the wall here though
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't get the opportunity, like you said,
Speaker 1: over Terrence. They feel comfortable with Terrence there. They drafted
Speaker 1: two ride receivers last year, although you know, Switzer's a
Speaker 1: different type of receiver or of a slot guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: he feels like it's, you know, this probably isn't the
Speaker 1: place for me. He's not expecting to get an offer
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys to come back, well he not that,
Speaker 1: not that they won't, but maybe that's his opinion. Which
Speaker 1: year was a better year for him this year or
Speaker 1: last year? Last year? And who signed him? Cowboys for
Speaker 1: a one year deal right, which means no one else
Speaker 1: was offering him anything. He kind of signed early. Then
Speaker 1: he signed before free agency started. He was kind of
Speaker 1: looking for a job. I think Bryce, I think I
Speaker 1: think what happened is they started seeing the market where
Speaker 1: all those guys were getting one year deals, right, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people got blown away by Terence
Speaker 1: getting a four. I want to say though he signed early,
Speaker 1: think I think he probably and I haven't talked to
Speaker 1: him about this. But it may think that Terence wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be here and he had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: bet on himself and be the starter here last year
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen. Terrence comes back and he's back
Speaker 1: in the same role he won. I agree, So you
Speaker 1: know it works better when you put the mic in
Speaker 1: front of your face, though I'm not talking. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: Well quickly before we have to end today show, we
Speaker 1: have a caller all the way from Germany, Bjorn I
Speaker 1: hope I said your name right, Yeah, you said it right. Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: To make it quick. Question. You talked before about the
Speaker 1: influence of coach Eberflus, Maybe short Lee has also a
Speaker 1: huge impact on those linebackers. Just let's throw a name out,
Speaker 1: Dean to Holloman. A few years ago, Mickey talked about
Speaker 1: this on Talking about Cowboys a Lot. How he talked
Speaker 1: with Holloman study tape with him. Does this make maybe
Speaker 1: a chance to draft the linebacker who needs maybe two
Speaker 1: or two years to get ready to play, but can
Speaker 1: help on special teams and also a good work ethic.
Speaker 1: And next question is we have a few free agents,
Speaker 1: and if we leave the money out, who should consider
Speaker 1: to stay with the Cowboys because, uh, for individual success,
Speaker 1: it's the best choice. For example, would would Hitchins be
Speaker 1: as good as he is with the Cowboys without having
Speaker 1: for example, for the day by day around him also
Speaker 1: on the field off the field, or would Taxmber sac
Speaker 1: Martin would be would be he as good as without
Speaker 1: Travis Redwick next to him? Thank you guys, yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you quickly if you guys, pretty thoughtful question. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was how you a draft show? We had a question
Speaker 1: Philippe from France called then we have a here? Question
Speaker 1: just shows you the scope of our deal here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I do. I think anthy
Speaker 1: Hichins would play in any scheme. I really do. Three
Speaker 1: four four three. I think anywhere anti Hichins goes, if
Speaker 1: he stays here, great, Absolutely you'd love to have anti Higgins.
Speaker 1: The draft that's going to present. I just don't think
Speaker 1: the draft is going to be as deep as people
Speaker 1: believe at that position. And you might have to go early,
Speaker 1: and it might be a guy you might have to
Speaker 1: reach a little bit on. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: that whatever whatever Hitchens goes, he's going to be just
Speaker 1: as good as he is. Because if you think about it.
Speaker 1: He played well in Sean's spot when Sean was out.
Speaker 1: His problem was then they got exposed in the middle exactly,
Speaker 1: he wasn't there. Yeah, he is capable of doing anything
Speaker 1: in any scheme, and I think that people will see that,
Speaker 1: and I think that people will give him that opportunity.
Speaker 1: But there are some guys that fit into what he
Speaker 1: was talking about, that fold of you play your role
Speaker 1: on this team and then you get paid big to
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. Right. I always bring up Elvin Harper.
Speaker 1: He was a great number two. Tampa Bay paid him
Speaker 1: to be a number one and he wasn't a number one, right,
Speaker 1: you know, gave him a big contract and two years
Speaker 1: later he was gone. Answer is I think Zach Martin
Speaker 1: would be an all pro anywhere. Yeah, but you have
Speaker 1: to worry about it. You're right, there are certain guys
Speaker 1: that are in that mold. Well, you guys are all pros.
Speaker 1: And we hope that our all pro audience will join
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