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Speaker 1: This he is Talking Cowboys, streaming live on Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys Boy No. Your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Mickey's Fagnola, Brian broad Us, Taylor Stern and Rob Phillips

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Speaker 1: welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It is Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: so it is talking time, and we've got lots to

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Speaker 1: talk about here at the Star in Brisco. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I was joined by my lovely colleagues here. We've lots

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Speaker 1: to fill you in on and and unfortunately I was

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Speaker 1: informed pre show Mickey will not be debuting his single

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Speaker 1: here today. Yeah, another time I did everybody of favor.

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Speaker 1: You promised so many people. I did everybody of favor.

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Speaker 1: Was that the duet with Dean Martin? Yes, absolutely, bringing

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Speaker 1: him back to live Holograhamson. Maybe it was Perry Como,

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Speaker 1: Perry Como there you go? Wow, you want to keep

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Speaker 1: going back for I can go with you, Mickey, But nowadays,

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Speaker 1: who knows we'll drop? Who will drop a single while

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Speaker 1: we're on air today? Ever? Know that released? Yes? And

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Speaker 1: it blew our minds. Yep, almost as much as the

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Speaker 1: incredible Minnesota Miracle. How about that, Brian? You always say

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Speaker 1: that it's hard to win in that place. Hard to win. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they were ten seconds or so from winning, So

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Speaker 1: that's it's unfortunate. I actually talked to Sean Payton yesterday.

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Speaker 1: What do you say I did. He just was saying

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Speaker 1: that they needed to play better than the first half. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was he did. Says, Hey, it doesn't come down

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Speaker 1: to one play. He said, we made two many mistakes

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Speaker 1: in the first half of that football game. First shutout

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Speaker 1: for the New Orleans Saints in the first half, sixty

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Speaker 1: one consecutive games. Wow, Yeah, the longest record in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't fall behind seventeen. That's what I'm saying. He said,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we made some mistakes, and you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: everybody's saying, you know, the kid made made a big

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Speaker 1: mistake there at the end, But we guess we just

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Speaker 1: didn't play well enough the first half. And that's you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good spirits and all, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a big opportunity they missed there, you know, and

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Speaker 1: they're running. You're getting to the end of a career

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Speaker 1: with with Drew Brees, you know, and you don't know

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Speaker 1: how many more of those runs you're going to get

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Speaker 1: to make, you know, and it all kind of comes down.

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Speaker 1: You think you kind of have everything in control and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work out at the end. Lady. Yeah, A

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Speaker 1: strange lady. It's a strange lady. Give the Vikings some

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Speaker 1: credit though, for keep for the ability to keep playing

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Speaker 1: at the end of that football game. So kept playing.

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Speaker 1: Did he he's trying to avoid a penalty, right, I

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Speaker 1: thought so? Yeah, I thought so, And he was Jimmy

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Speaker 1: they thought there was a flag or something, and well, honestly,

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Speaker 1: like when the drive started, I thought they were in

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Speaker 1: trouble because potentially because they haven't been able to stop

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Speaker 1: And that's eventually what they tried to avoid. Might have

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Speaker 1: been a penalty anyway, because he was coming in early. Yeah, Williams,

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Speaker 1: if you remember he also they had a third down

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Speaker 1: play I believe, where he was in position defending the

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Speaker 1: and his hands up and I thought, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's tough stuff happens. Forty three two. Did

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Speaker 1: you notice that it was the same number of the

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Speaker 1: guy that Drew Pearson beat there for the hill Man. Oh, Nate, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, Digs, this touchdown is going to stay with

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Speaker 1: the future Minnesota Vikings. Maybe it gets Drew off the

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Speaker 1: away from losing another playoff game at home. You know,

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Speaker 1: that just shows you what happens and how the trual manner.

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Speaker 1: The other one was a missfield seven yard field goal.

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Speaker 1: They were indoors this time. M Zim deserved it. He

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Speaker 1: happened to him. Seven Heaven was the name of the play.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're calling it. That's no, that's the play. Oh.

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Speaker 1: When Diggs was interviewed afterwards, they asked him what the

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Speaker 1: seven Heaven. So it's a seven route. Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: basically Heaven like hope for the best, for the best,

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Speaker 1: it's probably the same route that Witton ran that time

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Speaker 1: You better better be careful. Stuff social man. These people

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Speaker 1: who were filming themselves at the end of the game,

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Speaker 1: there's this one guy, he's a Saints fan. He's in

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Speaker 1: a huge bar. You can tell all Saints fans around him.

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Speaker 1: And somebody comment and said, you can actually see the

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Speaker 1: moment his heartbreaks and then there you know, there were

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Speaker 1: different ones where they set the play to Titanic music.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome as he's running into the end zone,

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Speaker 1: that's so, that's okay, Marcus, Uh, we love Saints pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Vikings hashtag of bring it home because they could. They

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Speaker 1: home stadium. Brian's been talking them up. They got the

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Speaker 1: best defense in the league. I think it was a

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Speaker 1: year early. Should have waited what Minnesota. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: You've been doing it this playoffs. I've been talking up

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Speaker 1: the Eagles and I don't know, well AFC NFC title

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Speaker 1: games case, Keenum, Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, and Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: What the quarterbacks? You love it? No? What was the schefter?

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Speaker 1: I think he had the stat that it's like combined

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Speaker 1: There's anybody like Jacksonville going up to New England. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I love it. You got a great defense in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: get himself a ring? Maybe not say when everybody. Everybody

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Speaker 1: So the Cowboys, they were scoring defense in top ten

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Speaker 1: I mean, just making Ben's life miserable. So it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter whether you're the goat. You know, if they're gonna

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Speaker 1: harass Brady like that, they got a shot. Would you

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Speaker 1: put Jalen Ramsey on Gronkowski and take your chances with

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Speaker 1: been in space and catching more stuff down the field. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: rush the quarterback the way they've been. But do you

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Speaker 1: worry about make them hold the ball? Worry about Belichick

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Speaker 1: drawing something up to throw Bortles off? Though? I mean

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Speaker 1: make Bortles have to beat him. Yeah, he's gonna make that.

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Speaker 1: They did to the Titans. I mean they were like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: of the other end. Where do you think it's harder

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Speaker 1: to play Hinesfield or New England? Well, New England playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But but you know, the Steelers got beat twice this

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Speaker 1: happened since been ten twelve years. Maybe I was shocked

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Speaker 1: that Pittsburgh couldn't stop their running game. Fournette was running

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Speaker 1: pretty good Fournett. Yeah, and you know it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: you bring your horn with you to the way game?

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Speaker 1: The horn the king? Oh, I don't want the Viking horn.

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Speaker 1: they're not allowed. They can't allowed to have that in

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Speaker 1: You're to think, how can I you know, let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: this will be a job that if there's not success,

423
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Speaker 1: at least getting into the playoffs, that that will be

424
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Speaker 1: under scrutiny as will there be a change, which means

425
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Speaker 1: if these guys that are available for jobs have an opportunity,

426
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Speaker 1: like two, where are you going? Yeah, you're going to

427
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Speaker 1: go somewhere where a new head coach just got hired

428
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Speaker 1: and has a four year contract. Or are you're going

429
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Speaker 1: to go somewhere where everybody's saying you know, and maybe

430
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Speaker 1: nobody in the organization, but the media is point pointing out, yeah,

431
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Speaker 1: oh if he doesn't do this, Yeah, you're gonna take

432
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Speaker 1: that chance. Yeah, now if you if you don't have

433
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Speaker 1: another opportunity, you will. But if you got to weigh

434
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Speaker 1: a decision, that's going to factor in that. And and money,

435
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Speaker 1: give me the security, give me the way that I

436
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Speaker 1: can continue on. I understand. Hey, there's those guys here

437
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: that don't want to leave. I mean, they don't want

438
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Speaker 1: to lead. Their contracts are up, and they've they've made

439
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Speaker 1: a choice. The organization is made a choice. And then

440
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Speaker 1: there's some guys that they made choice. For you. We

441
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: talked about Joe Baker. I don't think Joe Baker wanted

442
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: to leave, but you know he was. They're not bringing

443
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Speaker 1: him back We talked about this a little bit, and

444
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Speaker 1: it's different circumstances at my alma mater and m but

445
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher, now he got major money to go somewhere else.

446
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: But it was also an opportunity where you know, Florida State,

447
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: maybe you could get fired next year, could be you know,

448
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden he's got a ten

449
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: year opportunity. It ain't it. Not that it's a better

450
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Speaker 1: job than Florida State, but it was an opportunity for security.

451
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Speaker 1: Not that anything is truly guaranteeding coaching though sometimes no,

452
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Speaker 1: not at all, year to year pretty much for coaches, Yeah,

453
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: operate under that. No, you gotta win. It's a replacement business. Yeah.

454
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Speaker 1: So tell me about Paul Alexander. You know, he is

455
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Speaker 1: confirmed to be the new ALIGNE coach here, pretty much

456
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Speaker 1: the new official hire that we have so far down

457
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Speaker 1: that list. What should we know about him? Go ahead,

458
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Speaker 1: mc no, I was gonna say, have they made the announcement? Yes? Here.

459
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's official yet official title. I think

460
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Speaker 1: he's supposed to be here, presumably to run the old line.

461
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Speaker 1: As Taste said, I think Mark Colombo is still going

462
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Speaker 1: to have a role and something prominent on the staff,

463
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: whether it's still assistant or line coach. Maybe it's another

464
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: position on staff. But I think you can count on

465
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Speaker 1: him being there because he was in the mix to

466
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Speaker 1: maybe take over for Pollock. But yeah, I think you know,

467
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Speaker 1: he's this guy ran the Bengals a line for twenty

468
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Speaker 1: three years. He's got a lot of experience and kind

469
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Speaker 1: of what Brian spoke about on our show last week,

470
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Speaker 1: bring some ideas, some new ideas, yeah, viewpoint of things

471
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Speaker 1: coming from the outside on how to maybe you know,

472
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Speaker 1: improve what they're doing with the run game, with the

473
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Speaker 1: past protection, all that kind of stuff. He learned under

474
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Speaker 1: when I first started the league. He learned under a

475
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Speaker 1: line coach named Jim McNally. Who is it. Yeah, Jim

476
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Speaker 1: McNally is a was a very successful coach with the

477
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Speaker 1: Bengals when in the Boomers, Sias and Era. Uh. You know,

478
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Speaker 1: if you look at Anthony Muno's guys like that, you know,

479
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Speaker 1: he coached a lot of those guys and Paul Alexander

480
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: came in and learned from him. Again, you know, he's

481
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Speaker 1: a guy that's a little bit more They talk about,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, power schemes and zone schemes and stuff like that.

483
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry so much much about that. Paul Alexander

484
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Speaker 1: can adapt to whatever scheme they want him to run.

485
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Speaker 1: If it's going to be his own scheme, he coaches

486
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Speaker 1: do it with the players that they have. If you know,

487
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Speaker 1: he obviously came in and said hey listen. You know

488
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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and scotland Ham when they interviewed him last week,

489
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Speaker 1: they said, hey, listen, this is what we do. And

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Speaker 1: Paul says, well, this is this is what I've used

491
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Speaker 1: to do at Cincinnati. Yeah, and this is how you know.

492
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Speaker 1: And a lot of it has to do with when

493
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Speaker 1: you don't have the personnel to do what you want

494
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Speaker 1: to do, you have to adapt. You have to adapt

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Speaker 1: your personnel to the scheme in order to have success.

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Speaker 1: And I think that if you look at Paul Alexander,

497
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Speaker 1: he will be so happy to walk out on that

498
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Speaker 1: practice field and know that he's got three Pro Bowl

499
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Speaker 1: players and one potentially at right tackle that could be

500
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Speaker 1: on the cusp of being that guy, the next guy,

501
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Speaker 1: the next to the four, and then now let's figure

502
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Speaker 1: out who's playing left guard. It's going to be a

503
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Speaker 1: really a good opportunity for him to come in and

504
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Speaker 1: have that ability to kind of mold the group. He's

505
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Speaker 1: not going to sit there and try and reinvent the wheel.

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Speaker 1: That's not that's not the plan. The plan is to say, Okay,

507
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Speaker 1: what can I see in my guys that will be

508
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Speaker 1: different than you know, what he had in Cincinnati because

509
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Speaker 1: he can come with ideas about how to run the football,

510
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Speaker 1: how to have some success. Look at what they go.

511
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Speaker 1: You can go all the way back to some of

512
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Speaker 1: the backs that they have, and I know people have said, oh,

513
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Speaker 1: they finished in the bottom half of rushing and some

514
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Speaker 1: you know, look at the personnel. When they had guys

515
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Speaker 1: that were you know, when they had top talent lineman,

516
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Speaker 1: they were good. They were good at running the football.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get I you know, you go all

518
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Speaker 1: the way back. I mean, the Bengals have had some

519
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Speaker 1: backs come through there, the Ruddy Johnson's and Corey Dillons

520
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: of the world. They've had guys that have run the football.

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Speaker 1: And not not just high level guy. I mean, they've

522
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Speaker 1: had guys. So to say that, oh, Paul Alexander, it's

523
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Speaker 1: a bad higher dat I don't. I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I will say this though, if Paul Alexander and this

525
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Speaker 1: group fails, then you can complain about somebody else next year.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that, but I think you have to give

527
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Speaker 1: Paul Alexander chance again. I respect what he's done in

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Speaker 1: his career and then what he who he learned from

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Speaker 1: with Jim McNally. I think Jim mcnalley is one of

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Speaker 1: the best line coaches I've ever seen. I think it

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Speaker 1: was a situation too where they changed offensive coordinators in

532
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati mid season, brought in Bill Laser. Did a nice

533
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Speaker 1: job down the same zen, wasn't it. Yeah, a few

534
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Speaker 1: games were Ken Zampaz, Yeah, yes, and yeah yes, they

535
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Speaker 1: got shut out like two games in a row and

536
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Speaker 1: they fired him, right and Brian mentioned it. They did

537
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Speaker 1: struggle running the ball, and I think Paul was kind

538
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Speaker 1: in charge of that part of the operation and maybe,

539
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Speaker 1: you know, they just wanted he wanted his own guy

540
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Speaker 1: in there, you know. But you can't argue with the experience.

541
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Speaker 1: And you got to have players in this league. And

542
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: if there's no players, when when they're healthy, When Tyrant's healthy,

543
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: he's as good as it is in the league. I

544
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Speaker 1: could say. I think that everybody needs to take a

545
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: step back and let this thing play out, you know,

546
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: and and I think it's important for Jason Garrett. I

547
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: mean to me, I look at this, I would rather

548
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: have veteran coaches come in here that do have some

549
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: different ideas. Nothing against young guy, nothing against Mark Colombo,

550
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: but let Mark Colombo learn another year. So let him learn,

551
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: you know, and if if things work out, you know,

552
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you lose Mark Colombo. Maybe you don't want

553
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: to lose Mark Colombo. But I think that in just saying, okay,

554
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: elevate this guy, elevate this guy, and you have the

555
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: same thing. No, no, yeah, because I'm thinking about some

556
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Speaker 1: other young guys that are helping on certain position groups.

557
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Of course, Kyle Valero has been with Duelly since I

558
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Speaker 1: think Dully got here. Yeah. I mean, and if you

559
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: if you talk to people about Kyle Valero, he is

560
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: really Scott Linahan's caddy. I mean Scott Linahan. There's certain coaches,

561
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Speaker 1: and I mean this in respect, there's certain coaches that

562
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Speaker 1: need guys underneath them that get practice, ready to get

563
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Speaker 1: the you know, the cards, ready to get to the

564
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Speaker 1: film ready. You have to have guys like that. You

565
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Speaker 1: have to have young guys that are the grinder guys.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. I talked about him earlier.

567
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton. I was on a staff in Philadelphia. Sean

568
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Speaker 1: Payton was John Gruden's caddy at Philadelphia. Sean was responsible

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Speaker 1: for everything to get practice ready, the film ready, the

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00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: meeting ready, all that. You know, you have to see there,

571
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Speaker 1: you have to be there. Yeah, so you know that's

572
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Speaker 1: that you need guys like that. But if you're elevating

573
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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that might not have the experience,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a little bit of a different That's

575
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Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, if I'm a fan, I'm thinking, well,

576
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Speaker 1: why elevate a bunch of guys. Have a bunch of

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Speaker 1: young guys. I don't mind one or two guys, but

578
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Speaker 1: if you had the whole staff of young guys, you

579
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: might not get the same ideas. And I do think

580
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Speaker 1: you could see an assistant or to be promoted here

581
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Speaker 1: to the guys that are well respected on the staff,

582
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Speaker 1: that have a shot at it. Sure, But but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do think they're obviously with Paul Exander, they're looking

584
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Speaker 1: outside the organization, looking at ways they can fix things

585
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: and experience. I mean, the guy was in you know,

586
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Speaker 1: twenty five years with one organization. I think that says

587
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot about him. Plus he played, yeah, and he

588
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: was assistant head coach also, so he's got a lot

589
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: of experience, you know. And sometimes it's not always bad

590
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Speaker 1: to have some different voices, no, because if you if

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Speaker 1: you keep this and I know Tom Landry did wonderful

592
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Speaker 1: with basically his same staff forever. But sometimes you got

593
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Speaker 1: to get in some new ideas and a new voice.

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Speaker 1: And I think guys react when there's a new position coach.

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Speaker 1: Think about when you played and you got a new

596
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Speaker 1: coach or you moved to the next level. How hard

597
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: did you try to impress the new coach? Right? And

598
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when you get the same voice all

599
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: the time, you take it for granted, and so you

600
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: know this might you never know, it might juice them. Now,

601
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: from a continuity standpoint, you hate to do almost the

602
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: entire staff if you just have Gary Brown coming back,

603
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo, Leon Lett. But other than that, it's it's

604
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Speaker 1: all changing. And yeah, you got to find a special

605
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: teams coach. I think Brian mentioned players and you've got zekes.

606
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: The running game should be the running game here, not

607
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: saying that coaching doesn't matter, but I think with with

608
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Speaker 1: Zeke in place, they're going to run the football. Pass protection,

609
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: to me is the biggest thing. Mickey spoken to that

610
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Dak got twenty two of his thirty

611
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: two sacks in the final eight games of the season.

612
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: They've got to find a way to fix that. With

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Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith on the field, you hope he's playing sixteen

614
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: games next year, but without him, maybe that's a depth thing.

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00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: Maybe you gotta get better personnel potentially, but maybe there's

616
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: that's a coaching thing too. Can you find ways to

617
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: scheme things up and do a better job of protecting

618
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Speaker 1: your quarterback? We'll see no doubt. I mean, you're talking

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Speaker 1: about elevating guys with young, young guys. Kellen Moore's in

620
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: the mix obviously for Wade Wilson's jobs or by coach,

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Speaker 1: and then last week we heard Miles Austin's name thrown

622
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Speaker 1: around a little bit for Dooley's spot. What do you

623
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Speaker 1: guys think about that. I think that there was a

624
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Speaker 1: lot of speculation on a lot of guys being elevated,

625
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Speaker 1: and my understanding was they were going to make an

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Speaker 1: extensive search for guys that were availed bull and he

627
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be just this automatic rising of guys

628
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: that have been helping out like they're candidates, they're they're

629
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: getting looks. But by the end about Miles was he

630
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: coached the year as he coached, he's been on the

631
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Speaker 1: personnel side. Yeah, yeah, assistant. Yeah, so you know, maybe

632
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Speaker 1: he gets maybe he moves from assist the personnel department

633
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Speaker 1: and they make him like Leon started, Yeah, you're the

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Speaker 1: assistant assistant wide receivers coach. But I don't know that

635
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: he could run a room. Yeah. I just think overall though,

636
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Speaker 1: and I don't mean I hate to be get off

637
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Speaker 1: my lawn. Yeah, back of the day guy. But when

638
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I started in this league in nineteen ninety two, these

639
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: coaching staffs were really small, and to be honest with

640
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: I think they were better, you know, because guys had

641
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Speaker 1: to coach their position. You know, Now you have assistance

642
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643
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: look at all the assistant coaches to assistant coaches to

644
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Speaker 1: assistant coaches. You know, give me the to me. It's

645
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: it's when the staffs were smaller, you did you had

646
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Speaker 1: guys like Butch Davis, Robert Ford, you know, Dave Wanstead,

647
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Dave Campbell. You had, you had guys coaching positions. You

648
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a bunch of other assistance guys. You had

649
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: these guys that were locked in and the players were

650
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: not formed off to another guy. They were coached by,

651
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, they were coached by Dave Wanstead or Butch Davis.

652
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: So those guys and they didn't have anybody else to

653
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: go cry on their shoulder if they didn't like with

654
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,600
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655
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Speaker 1: board when you have too many of those game. Good

656
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: players make good coaches. Yeah, well, I'm sure there will

657
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: be much to learn about this week as we continue

658
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Speaker 1: on hearing about the coaching changes here. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: we will have Rob's Twitter pool and we'll get into

660
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Speaker 1: I know. But so I'm trying to pack in a

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Speaker 1: lot of discussion in one point. We'll get to free

712
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: agency here in the coming weeks. But I thought it'd

713
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: be interesting to throw this past you guys. Besides DeMarcus

714
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Anthony Hitchins. We know the Cowboys want to

715
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: bring those guys back. David Irving's a restricted free agent.

716
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: Which of these unrestricted free agents to be? Do you

717
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: guys think the Cowboys need to bring back most? All right?

718
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: Four options? Bryce Butler, tay teased him in the break,

719
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper, LP, Latticer or Alfred Morris. But you a

720
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: lot of fans didn't realize LP was a free agent.

721
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: I know, right, We always just forget about him. How

722
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: are you exactly? Until you know? Because he never makes

723
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: a mistake, we take him for granted. You guys got LP.

724
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: WHOA you don't take him for granted? Mick, Nope, I

725
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: agree with Mickey, Okay, LP. Yeah, out of that list

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00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: LP best at his job, most consistent at his job. Right, Sure,

727
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: we talk about who's the best at his job. You're right,

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee, the best at his job? You know. Yeah,

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00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: we used to say say about Dan Bailey too? Is

730
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey the best his job? But I think the

731
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Speaker 1: consistency that you've had in the special teams is a

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00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with LP the operation,

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Speaker 1: the operation clean every time. Exactly, yeah, exactly. Well, he

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Speaker 1: almost wins the poll. He gets thirty seven percent. Forty

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Speaker 1: three percent goes to Jonathan Cooper. You're starting left guard

736
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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. Now, we'll see they could they could

737
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: try to upgrade that position. He might get a better

738
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: offer elsewhere. What do you guys think about that? I

739
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, seriously, why why do you say seriously? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't mind bringing him back, but I'm not going

741
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: to over extend myself with a contract to bring him back.

742
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: Do you draft a guard? Yes, you gotta, I gotta.

743
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: We brought up on the Draft Show this morning, Connor Williams,

744
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: the tackle from University of Texas. I've been saying it

745
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: for two weeks. I want to tackle. You could play

746
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: second third round somewhere in there forth. I don't know.

747
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: I can't convince you to do it at nineteen if

748
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: he can play tackle and transition to guard. If it

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Speaker 1: was like something that there wasn't anything else that entice me,

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Speaker 1: I would do that. Absolutely. We had a mail back

751
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: question about this this morning as well, and you said,

752
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: because the question was, can you find that guy in

753
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: free agency? And yeah, it's probably easier to do with you.

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00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna draft that thing. I would I would rather

755
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: draft it, yeah, because if he's in free agency, somebody

756
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: else didn't think he was good enough to start for him.

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00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: See the thing about it is, though, you know, it's

758
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: funny we sent that Klais Campbell's to a great job.

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00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: If the one team that hit on free agency, they're

760
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: in the AFC Championship right now. Yeah, but they had

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Speaker 1: the most money. They no no, no, no money to

762
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: fail in free a Yeah, but they evaluate the position right. Yeah,

763
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: they evaluated Clais Campbell right, and they evaluated Booya right.

764
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Speaker 1: And they've also got those some that's hard to do.

765
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: That's hard to do in free agency. Jacksonville also, they've

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Speaker 1: been bad for a lot of years, but they hit

767
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: on their draft picks too. They've got a lot of

768
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Speaker 1: homegrown guys that are doing a hell of a job,

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Speaker 1: specifically on defense, Ramsey Jack. So it's a combination. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they've they've what you're saying, though, I know

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00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I mean they had, like they were

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Speaker 1: like sixty million underneath the cap, so they could overpay

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Speaker 1: Bury Church where the Cowboys couldn't do that. They could

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Speaker 1: overpay Klais Callendar H. Campbell, where Arizona probably didn't have

775
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: the space to do it, right, Okay in Arizona. I

776
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: don't think they're stupid, like, oh, this guy's not that good. Yeah,

777
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: sometimes your hands are tied. Yeah, but if you've got

778
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: a lot of money and overpay what the money all thought,

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Speaker 1: You're right, we all thought Barry Church was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: We all thought, sure, I thought he was the one

781
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: to bring back. It was more a money thing. Yeah, pay,

782
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Speaker 1: But they've evaluated they did a good job. I know.

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Speaker 1: And I don't wake about Jacks. We've talked about them earlier.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I kind of to me if at nineteen,

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Speaker 1: if if it presented itself, I wouldn't be against draft

786
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: in an offensive lineman. I really wouldn't. I mean, because

787
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: we kind of talk about what were the biggest issues

788
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: last year, what was the biggest issues with this team.

789
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting discussion because it's like, I don't

790
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: want to make it the draft show, but I'm just

791
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: saying I think you have to be prepared. Mickey's right,

792
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: if you could get a guy that could play guard

793
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Speaker 1: or as a tackle that could play guard. And I'm

794
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: not talking about what you tried to do with Chaz Green.

795
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking about legitimately can go play at nineteen you're

796
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Speaker 1: at the very end of your free agent or it's

797
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Speaker 1: gonna be your first round grades. In my opinion, you are.

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Speaker 1: So we had eighteen last year, Yeah, with Connor, and

799
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: the running back was the last one, right am? I right? Yes,

800
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Speaker 1: the kid that that Minnesota took running back from Florida State,

801
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: Calvin Cook. Yeah, exactly right. So it's one of those things, Tay,

802
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: that you you make sure that the strength of your

803
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: team is still the strength of your team. Your offensive line,

804
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: I mean, stack it up, try to make sure that

805
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: it's still solid because you rely so much on your

806
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: running game and protecting your quarterback, and maybe we expect

807
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: too much out of your three Pro bowlers, you know,

808
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: so if you can find a guy that can make

809
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: sure that you're still really solid there, maybe you do it.

810
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: No matter what, It's going to be an expensive year

811
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Speaker 1: for the oh line because you got it lock in

812
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, right, and they're comfortable with that. Yeah, they've

813
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: been planning for that. Yeah, expected. See that's to me,

814
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, look at the situation offensive line, linebacker,

815
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Speaker 1: which one in the first Yeah, nineteen, I'd probably go

816
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: with a linebacker if I knew he's a walk in starter.

817
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeahs matter if Hitchens is back or not, you still

818
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: feel you need that guy. Even if he's back. If Hitch,

819
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: if you do sign Hitchens, you're gonna you're gonna go

820
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Speaker 1: somewhere else. See again Draft show Tam. I'm sorry, no, no,

821
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Speaker 1: but but but it's a it's a personnel thing that

822
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: they've got to decide um and and I think it

823
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: all comes down to you can say all the nice

824
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: things you want about Jalen Smith. Yeah, is he a

825
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: sixty snap a game starter? That's and I don't know

826
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: that they can answer that, as he was doing really

827
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: well down the stretch, playing maybe a little less than

828
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: thirty something like that. Yeah, because because teams didn't get

829
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: a chance to plan for him, to over expose him, right,

830
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: or to expose him. Everybody you talk to feel like

831
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: that he's getting more flex in the foot, you know, more, more,

832
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: more of that. You know where we were. You know,

833
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: initially it wasn't as good, right, and now you're starting

834
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: to see he's having control of his foot. But I

835
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: just like what Stephen Jones said that that when you

836
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: look at it and if you can, then they need

837
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: all three of those guys, right. They need Sean, they

838
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: need Jalen, and they need hitch And they came right

839
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: out of his mouth a week ago. It's such a

840
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: position of attrition because those guys take a beating. I

841
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: mean it's just a physical, physical position and they I

842
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: think nine combined games lost by Lee and Hitchins last

843
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: year alone. I mean, think about it. We understand what

844
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: Sean is. You know, he can blame himself for not

845
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: being available for sixteen games. Okay, fine, but stuff happens,

846
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: right and you're you're not one hundred percent sure on

847
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: what Jalen Smith is. So to me, yeah, linebacker's got

848
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: to be up there, you know, near the top listeners

849
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: thinking what if that left guard, like it, say, if

850
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: as a Connor Williams, Texas again can play left tackle

851
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: if something happens to Smith. Yeah, if that, if that

852
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: guy legitimately your left guard is a starting tackle kind

853
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: of a tackle ability, I'd be down with that. At nineteen,

854
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: absolutely it see that's over. I just think, you know,

855
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: if you're doing this, if you're picking it four or

856
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: at six or eight, one of those places you can

857
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: kind of hone in on a guy. I think at

858
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: nineteen you're at the mercy of the board and you

859
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: have to say, maybe you have to think about this

860
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: thing a little unconventionally. You know, everything's well, offensive line

861
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: is a strength of a team. Well, we've also said

862
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: this that offensive line was one of the reasons why

863
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: team struggled overall. We felt like it wasn't all on them,

864
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: but we kind of felt like they got they got

865
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: held hostage at left tackle. Wasn't good enough. Whoever they

866
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: put out there, it wasn't good enough for sixteen weeks

867
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: with the exception, and there were times when we were

868
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith wasn't as Tyrn Smith best. You know, No,

869
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: I think I think that's got to be a high

870
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: priority and you cannot let, like you just said, that

871
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: one position muck up everything. As for the linebacker, I

872
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: would be looking for a two for one there somebody

873
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: that can play linebacker. But what about putting your hand

874
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: on the ground on on on nickel situations and rushing

875
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: as a defensive end. Somebody can give me some little

876
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: extra there, so kind of more of a versatile UH

877
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: type player and I could qualify that. Look, you can

878
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: just name me a position, and I bet I can

879
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: qualify taking it pretty high. Name any position. Wide receiver, Yes,

880
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead and take him. No, I'm saying

881
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: why not? Why not? Who's your who's your backup if

882
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: Dez goes back? Yes? Yeah, who who's your backup? Who's

883
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: your starting if Witton goes down? Who's your starting tight end?

884
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Swaim? How you feel about I mean yeah, yeah,

885
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean they I think four games but sixteen yeah?

886
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: Um yeah yeah, D line you can never have enough

887
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: pass rushers, D tackle, you got corner, corner, safety, sure,

888
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean you got you got to me and not

889
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: knowing what's going to happen with Scandrick, you have three

890
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: guys you can count on. Now. Is Marquez White ready

891
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: to be your fourth if Scandrick's not here, I don't know. Yeah,

892
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: I just think you just need good players, and I

893
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: don't think any position is going to say, oh I

894
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: can't have one of those? What if? What if there's

895
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: a nice quarterback at the fifth round? Yeah, nice little QB.

896
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: I got no problems with that. Let me ask you this.

897
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna love this one. Take one at nineteen a quarterback? Yeah,

898
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: probably not, Probably not. Take one of the second round.

899
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: Still too high. There a guy you got in mind, Brian, No,

900
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get I'm just trying to he's

901
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: trying to get He's trying to get some competition from Prescott. No, No,

902
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure I'm trying to figure out though,

903
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: Oh do we have a big group behind us to

904
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: turn around and wave and say, actually, no, please do Yeah,

905
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: Micky's gonna wait for it. I'll do it. But welcome

906
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: to the Star. By the way, But at nineteen you

907
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't know, but you would take an offensive lineman at night? Yes? Absolutely.

908
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: What position other than the quarterback would you not take

909
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: at nineteen? Kicker? Punter, well, yeah, deep snapper, yeah, uh,

910
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: I would I don't think I I mean, I wouldn't

911
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: take a center. Yeah yeah, what the center could play guard?

912
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: Would running? I want him to play tackle? That's interesting, Yes,

913
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: she asked running back? Uh yes, uh not not with

914
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: the first round pick, second or third? I would take one. Yeah, yes, yes,

915
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: Who's I mean? I think Rod Smiths got a chance

916
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: to be your backup running back, but has a chance.

917
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: But could you what was the guy you wanted? The

918
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: kind of dunbar like guy? I want that toy? Yeah?

919
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: The guy to where did you go to? Chargers? Yeah?

920
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: They who pick him right before? No? Philadelphia did right?

921
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Pumphrey the kid from San Diego. Yeah yeah,

922
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: give me give me a guy that can scatter around. Absolutely,

923
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: you guys catch wind of aolve Bryce Butler's comments last week? Yeah,

924
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: get it, Mick, Yes, I saw it. Ask you this,

925
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: ask a question today. Bryce Butler better player talent wise

926
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: than Terrence Williams. I'm not comparison to touchdowns this year.

927
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing him to Bryant. I'm keeping it out

928
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: of that. But does he have a point about Terrence Williams?

929
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: And but see Bryce Butler, I don't see him as

930
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: a z you know, that. But but does he does

931
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: he have a point about how much time he should

932
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: have played? Here was thinking about Terrence Williams. Let me

933
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: just read this quickly. Terrence Williams got paid last year.

934
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: So there are times where I was like, I'm making plays.

935
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: Aren't we trying to win games? Why am I not

936
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: on the field. But that's the only thing I can

937
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: really think of. He's not going after Daz, He's but

938
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: in our mind if you're watching, remember him coming out

939
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: of training camp. Yeah, and a really good camp. And

940
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: then what happened early in the season. Yeah, what start

941
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: dropping balls? Drop dropping them? And then you lose confidence

942
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: in a guy. Yeah, and when you're only getting three

943
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: opportunities or four opportunities in a game, sure you can't

944
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: go two for four. Sure. So and he had the

945
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: foot down the stretch too, well, he had it almost

946
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: all year. Yeah, they got hurting training camp, right, Yeah,

947
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: so into training camp. He didn't factor that into all

948
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: his comments. But you know, if I'm him, and I'm

949
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: sure he was listening to his agent. I'm a free agent.

950
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have gone that route. I'm not I'm not

951
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: eliminating one team. Yeah, I want all thirty two wanting me. Yeah,

952
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to start eliminating people. Maybe he kind

953
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: of feels like the ridings on the wall here though

954
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't get the opportunity, like you said,

955
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: over Terrence. They feel comfortable with Terrence there. They drafted

956
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: two ride receivers last year, although you know, Switzer's a

957
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: different type of receiver or of a slot guy. Maybe

958
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: he feels like it's, you know, this probably isn't the

959
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: place for me. He's not expecting to get an offer

960
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys to come back, well he not that,

961
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: not that they won't, but maybe that's his opinion. Which

962
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: year was a better year for him this year or

963
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: last year? Last year? And who signed him? Cowboys for

964
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: a one year deal right, which means no one else

965
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: was offering him anything. He kind of signed early. Then

966
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: he signed before free agency started. He was kind of

967
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: looking for a job. I think Bryce, I think I

968
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: think what happened is they started seeing the market where

969
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: all those guys were getting one year deals, right, and

970
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people got blown away by Terence

971
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: getting a four. I want to say though he signed early,

972
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: think I think he probably and I haven't talked to

973
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: him about this. But it may think that Terence wasn't

974
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: going to be here and he had an opportunity to

975
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: bet on himself and be the starter here last year

976
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen. Terrence comes back and he's back

977
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: in the same role he won. I agree, So you

978
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: know it works better when you put the mic in

979
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: front of your face, though I'm not talking. Okay, all right,

980
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: Well quickly before we have to end today show, we

981
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: have a caller all the way from Germany, Bjorn I

982
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 1: hope I said your name right, Yeah, you said it right. Hello, Hello.

983
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: To make it quick. Question. You talked before about the

984
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: influence of coach Eberflus, Maybe short Lee has also a

985
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: huge impact on those linebackers. Just let's throw a name out,

986
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Dean to Holloman. A few years ago, Mickey talked about

987
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: this on Talking about Cowboys a Lot. How he talked

988
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: with Holloman study tape with him. Does this make maybe

989
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: a chance to draft the linebacker who needs maybe two

990
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: or two years to get ready to play, but can

991
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: help on special teams and also a good work ethic.

992
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: And next question is we have a few free agents,

993
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: and if we leave the money out, who should consider

994
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: to stay with the Cowboys because, uh, for individual success,

995
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: it's the best choice. For example, would would Hitchins be

996
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 1: as good as he is with the Cowboys without having

997
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: for example, for the day by day around him also

998
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: on the field off the field, or would Taxmber sac

999
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: Martin would be would be he as good as without

1000
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: Travis Redwick next to him? Thank you guys, yeah, thank

1001
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: you quickly if you guys, pretty thoughtful question. Yeah, it

1002
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: was how you a draft show? We had a question

1003
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: Philippe from France called then we have a here? Question

1004
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: just shows you the scope of our deal here. Yeah,

1005
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I do. I think anthy

1006
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: Hichins would play in any scheme. I really do. Three

1007
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: four four three. I think anywhere anti Hichins goes, if

1008
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: he stays here, great, Absolutely you'd love to have anti Higgins.

1009
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: The draft that's going to present. I just don't think

1010
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: the draft is going to be as deep as people

1011
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 1: believe at that position. And you might have to go early,

1012
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: and it might be a guy you might have to

1013
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 1: reach a little bit on. But you know, I think

1014
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: that whatever whatever Hitchens goes, he's going to be just

1015
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: as good as he is. Because if you think about it.

1016
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: He played well in Sean's spot when Sean was out.

1017
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: His problem was then they got exposed in the middle exactly,

1018
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't there. Yeah, he is capable of doing anything

1019
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: in any scheme, and I think that people will see that,

1020
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: and I think that people will give him that opportunity.

1021
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: But there are some guys that fit into what he

1022
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: was talking about, that fold of you play your role

1023
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: on this team and then you get paid big to

1024
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. Right. I always bring up Elvin Harper.

1025
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: He was a great number two. Tampa Bay paid him

1026
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: to be a number one and he wasn't a number one, right,

1027
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, gave him a big contract and two years

1028
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: later he was gone. Answer is I think Zach Martin

1029
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: would be an all pro anywhere. Yeah, but you have

1030
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: to worry about it. You're right, there are certain guys

1031
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: that are in that mold. Well, you guys are all pros.

1032
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: And we hope that our all pro audience will join

1033
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: us again next talking Tuesday. We'll be back same time

1034
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: at eleven am. Thank you so much for joining us today.

1035
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,399
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1036
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