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Speaker 1: M what's hanging my overs? I'm Robert Evans, host of

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards podcast, where Sophie shakes her head disappointedly

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Speaker 1: at me, but it's accurate. I'm I'm hungover for this

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Speaker 1: episode as well. Uh. We talked about bad people, worse people,

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Speaker 1: all of history, everything you don't know about him. My

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Speaker 1: guest for this episode is Sophia Alexandra Comedian, host of

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Speaker 1: The Private Parts Unknown podcast and anything else I should,

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Speaker 1: I should, I should toss in that. I mean just genius, genius,

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Speaker 1: multi hyphen it multi. Yeah. I will notarize document. It's excellent.

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Speaker 1: I love having things notarized, you know, I love pretending

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Speaker 1: to them. Well, have you ever heard of a lady

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Speaker 1: named Georgia Tan? No? Have you ever heard of a

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Speaker 1: thing called adoption? No? How do you pronounce that? I

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Speaker 1: have been saying adoption? Adoption? Uh, Georgia Tan invented adoption? Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it seems like a great thing, right, how can you

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Speaker 1: invent adoption? Well we'll be getting into that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But it's not always something that people have done, you know.

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Speaker 1: But you're telling me people weren't like, oh, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to raise this baby. Yeah, but they didn't like it

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Speaker 1: wasn't like a process of adoption. Like, yeah, you're saying

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Speaker 1: that she founded an agency, she founded the she built

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Speaker 1: the modern structure through which we adopted children. Kind of,

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Speaker 1: it isn't. It isn't. We'll get into a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It used to be a thing that people didn't I

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Speaker 1: think was a good idea, um for some reasons, which

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Speaker 1: partly because of eugenics, because like they were like, if

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Speaker 1: a stupid person. And like we don't. We don't want to.

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Speaker 1: just bad dad stuff. Yeah. I mean everybody was racist

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Speaker 1: in the past. Thank god we got over that Shipah.

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Speaker 1: I know, what a beautiful world we live in. What

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Speaker 1: a wonderful place now. I do want to note up

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Speaker 1: about the worst people in history, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: like genocide every third episode, and like you kind of

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Speaker 1: the Bastards, but there's gonna be a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: about child death and molestation in this one. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: heads up, everybody, it's I'm so glad this is the episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, Sophia. I was like, my brand

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Speaker 1: am the night. Yeah, we are all the night. Yeah. Now.

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Speaker 1: In eight Europe was convulsed by a series of violent revolutions,

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Speaker 1: not experience this wave of revolutions, of course, but many

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of the orphan trains? Neither had I

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Speaker 1: before I started researching this like an amazing Disneyland ride.

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Speaker 1: So the purpose of these trains was to transport abandoned

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Speaker 1: the dog treats, Lesson learned. So Charles Brace was concerned

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Speaker 1: is like Sophia's and full products and services, here's some

425
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: other products. We're back, good products, solid services. Products better

426
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 1: than the services in my opinion. But you know, it's

427
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: different every time it's actually who knows? It might have

428
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: been another Koke Brother's ad. Who'm getting a lot of

429
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: those randomly? Yeah? What the hell? Who's screening those? Nobody?

430
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: The ones that I read are screened, and like we

431
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: get to pick them. But like when it's random, it

432
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: could be anything, you know, we could be it could

433
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: be you're dying defense systems, raytheon ads. How awkward would

434
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: it be if there's a baby farm commercial right after

435
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: this kill? Some babies get some dollars, more dead babies,

436
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: more dollars in your pocket. Yeah, I mean it's nice

437
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: work if you can get it'd be better than a

438
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: factory for who the baby are you? You as as

439
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: the baby murderer, the professional baby? No, yeah, as the murderer.

440
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: It's nice to not have a job. It's rather than

441
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: the murder and which is more of a hobby. It's

442
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: more of a hobby, kind of a calling. Yeah, more

443
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: more of a mission, if you will. That's a real

444
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: symptom of how like dark life was in the eighteen nineties.

445
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: That there's some people like in a cramped apartment, smothering babies,

446
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: like looking at other people go into factories and like ships.

447
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, like covering silver lining. Okay, uh

448
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: so yeah. Georgia's cheap dream was to become a lawyer.

449
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: She apprenticed with her father. They called it reading law,

450
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: and she passed the state bar exam as a young adult,

451
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: all in the hope that her dad would let her

452
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: work as a lawyer. But, as she later explained, quote,

453
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: he wouldn't let me practice because it wasn't the usual

454
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: thing for a woman, and I was the only girl

455
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: in the family. So he let her learn to be

456
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: a lawyer, but he wouldn't actually let her do it,

457
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: So instead but how do you prevent a grown ass

458
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: woman from doing something? Well, it's there, like losing her

459
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: fortune or whatever. I think that was a lot of it.

460
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it would have just been

461
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: like social shame that like that, That wouldn't have gone

462
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: over well, Um, you know, she's in rural Virginia in

463
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: nineteen and I guess I'm just saying I would have

464
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: been braver. I wouldn't have. Yeah, most most people weren't.

465
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: Some people were, but yeah, uh some. Instead, Georgia measure

466
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: in music at Martha Washington College in Abington, Virginia. She

467
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: graduated in nineteen thirteen and wound up teaching school in Columbus, Mississippi.

468
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: It became clear after a very short span that this

469
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: was not her strong suit and not the way she

470
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 1: wanted to spend her life. Since lawyering was close to her,

471
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: she gravitated towards the next most interesting career, social work. Now,

472
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: Georgia was a lesbian and a stocky, not traditionally feminine

473
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: looking woman that could know whoa why did we not

474
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: start with the fact that she was a lesbian? Well,

475
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: because it's like the best to me as a queer person,

476
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: I wish you had told me that. Okay, okay, Well

477
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: she's very proud of her lawyer, a lesbian, this is

478
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: very good, very empowering. Yeah. And a murderer, a mass

479
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: murder and an entrepreneur. Yeah. I mean she is like

480
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: she's a she was a powerful woman in an era

481
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: where that didn't happen very often. She's definitely like an

482
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: impressive figure, but also not on the best way. Um.

483
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, so she yeah, she was. She was a stocky.

484
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: She was like a heavy build and such, and so

485
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: she wasn't like a traditionally feminine looking person um, which

486
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: was a difficult thing to deal with in nineteen oh

487
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: six in particular. Um. So, she did not fit in

488
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: well with high society. She didn't like doing the parties

489
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: and galas and wearing the dresses and stuff, and so

490
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: charity work when she was like a teenager was kind

491
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: of she called it her refuge, like during her adolescent years.

492
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: Um and it kept her out of parties and stuff.

493
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: So like while other girls would be doing like cotillions

494
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you know, the old South sort

495
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: of thing, she would be uh working in poorhouses, volunteering

496
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: and stuff. What sounds great, and I think was at

497
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: the start, Like, I think she came into this out

498
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: of a place of wanting to help people. The genesis

499
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: of George's career came when she was an adolescent and

500
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: her father got involved in the case of a single

501
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: mother who had gotten heavily addicted to the morphine and

502
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: her cough syrup. At that point, the penalty for drug

503
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: addiction was to be sent to an insane asylum. Because

504
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: again it was nineteen oh six, her children were institutionalized

505
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: with her. Georgia later recalled to a reporter quote hours later,

506
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: the mother cried out something about her baby as the

507
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: effects of the dope began to wear off. Officials at

508
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: the institution called my father about it. The whole family

509
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: had retired, But we got up and drove into the

510
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: country and they're under a pile of filthy rags in

511
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: a corner of a shack. We found a pitiful baby

512
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: which had evidently been given a little bit of dope.

513
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: So they found this like a baby that had been

514
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: abandoned by this woman who was addicted to the morphine

515
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: and her cops syrup, and like pulled it out of

516
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: the house. After, like the woman in the asylum, like

517
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: realized that she had left her baby behind, So the

518
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: hands took the baby back to their house and Georgia

519
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: took care of it for a time. It and the

520
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: young mother's other kids were eventually sent to an orphanage.

521
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: This event seems to have inspired much of George's later career.

522
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: A few years later, when Georgia was fifteen, her father

523
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: placed two children in the protection of the Mississippi Children's

524
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: Home Society. These kids were not orphans, though, as Georgia

525
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: later recalled quote, the father was a man of intelligence,

526
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: but of a mean disposition that was always getting him

527
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: into trouble. The mother was from an ordinary poor family.

528
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: The children were sweet, attractive in appearance, and Georgia was

529
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: able to use their attractive appearance to basically market the

530
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: kids to a wealthy family in town. This rich family

531
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: adopted both children. This was the first adoption Georgia arranged

532
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: again when she was fifteen years old. Speaking years later

533
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: to a reporter, she considered it a huge success. The

534
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: girl now has a degree in music. The boys finished

535
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: his law degree and begun his practice. Each was given

536
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity and made the most of it. So there's

537
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: some darkness in that story. These kids were not separated

538
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: from their parents because their parents were abusive or so

539
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: drugged up that they couldn't take care of them. The dad,

540
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, was in jail a lot for disorderly conduct

541
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: and the mother was poor. Well the dad probably beat them,

542
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but every I'm going to guess that

543
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: was like every family and in town at that point. Sure. Yeah,

544
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: but like she she didn't like specifically state that he

545
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: was abusive to the kids. She just thought that they

546
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: were too poor to have beautiful kids and so sold

547
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: the kids to a rich fane where she's wrong. Well yeah,

548
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: that's uh. That that that would sort of prove to

549
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: be her calling in life, was finding ways to get

550
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: poor kids into wealthy families and do they just have

551
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: to be beautiful? Yeah, she liked She liked the blonde kids.

552
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: Those were the favorite kids. That she couldn't sell a redhead. Well,

553
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean who could. Yeah, that's exactly right, Ron Howard. Uh.

554
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: Starting at around nineteen, Georgia tan gave up teaching and

555
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: began exploding her dad's connections and powers of judge to

556
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: start placing children with other families. She worked with the

557
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: Kate McWillie Powers Receiving Home for children and Jackson, mississip be.

558
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: Initially she did the important work of placing orphaned children

559
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: with foster homes, but according to the Baby Thief quote,

560
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: she became obsessed with finding adoptive homes for children who

561
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: had already had homes. She would acquire these children through

562
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: kidnapping or deceit, and if and if she saved them

563
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: from anything, it was poverty. Georgia considered poverty the worst

564
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: possible condition. It was her upbringing. She was from a

565
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: very snobbish family that looked down on people in those

566
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: shanty houses who got their hands dirty for a living.

567
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Andrew Bond of Biloxi, Mississippi, told me Georgia felt she

568
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: was taking children from trashy people and elevating the children. Now,

569
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: that book, The Baby Thief, which is a chilling read

570
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: but an excellent piece of journalism, goes into detail about

571
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: one of George's very first baby abductions. Quote. One spring morning,

572
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: she drove her Model T to a cabin in Jasper County,

573
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: near her Hickory hometown. Asleep inside was Rose Harvey, who

574
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: was young, poor, widowed and pregnant and suffering from diabetes,

575
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: who two year old son Onyx played on the back porch.

576
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: Georgia lured the sturdy, black haired, brown eyed boy into

577
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: her car. Georgie's father, George C. Tan, signed papers declaring

578
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Rose Harvey and unfit mother and young Onyx an abandoned child.

579
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: Onyx was placed with an adoptive family headed by a

580
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: man named Rufus Raspberry. Shortly after, I'm sorry, was Rufus

581
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 1: Raspberry a fake person? Someone made up? Because yes, the

582
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: answer to that is yet he sounds like he belongs

583
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: in like an old fable book from the South, and

584
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: young Rufus Raspberry I'm more thinking of like Charlie and

585
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: the chocolate factory situation. Yeah, yeah, you got Rufus raspberries

586
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: the butt. That's a good reason I would give him

587
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: a child. To day, you need to have a child

588
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: stolen Fortas Raspberry Jr. Your life. That's amazing, it could

589
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: have been your life. Shortly afterwards, she stole on X's

590
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: young brother from their mother as well. The mom tried

591
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: to get her children back in court, but George's dad

592
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: was the judge, and that happened. That's terrible. She's like, well,

593
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: let's ask the opinion of this neutral judge. Daddy, Dad judge, dad, Daddy,

594
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: what do you think do you think I should get

595
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: to steal these babies? That's so fucked up? But also

596
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: you said she liked blonde babies. Why did she steal

597
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: this this dark haired child? Well, I mean, you know,

598
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: you're not going to start with the blonde babies. You

599
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: work your way up to them, you know, you that's

600
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: that's just the way it goes, you know. Georgie's methods

601
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: eventually got her kicked out of Mississippi and then Texas,

602
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: but she finally thank god. I was like, isn't I

603
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: don't think anybody cares about this. It's one of those things.

604
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: Were like, if you're getting kicked out of Texas and

605
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: like nineteen fifteen for not treating children properly, you it's

606
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: probably pretty bad. Ye, Like it's Texas man. Yeah. Anyway,

607
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: she finally found her forever home in Memphis, Tennessee, where

608
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: she became the executive director of the Tennessee Children's Home Society.

609
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: She got right to work, matching orphaned kids with new parents,

610
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: but also abducting poor kids to sell to rich parents.

611
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: It turned it turned out there was a lot of

612
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: money and selling the right kinds of babies to the

613
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: right people. Now, I should note at this point that

614
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: it convincing people to adopt babies at all was something

615
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: of a coup for Georgia. When I said she basically

616
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: invented modern American adoption. This is what I'm getting at.

617
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: In the early nineteen twenties, it was not a thing

618
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: people did thanks to the then popular science of eugenics.

619
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: According to the Adoption History Project, quote Henry Herbert Goddard,

620
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: a national authority on feeble minded children, insisted that compassion

621
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: for needy children was shortsighted because adoption was a crime

622
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: against those yet unborn. The eugenic threat adoption posed, according

623
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: to Goddard, was directly tied to illegitimacy. Unmarried mothers were

624
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: likely to be feeble minded themselves and have feeble minded

625
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: children whose adoptions would contaminate the gene pool by reproducing

626
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: future generations of defectives. Godard advocated segregating these children and

627
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: adults in benevolent institutions where their dangerous sexuality could be contained. Yeah,

628
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: dangerous sexuality. That's the name of my next album. That

629
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: is a good album name. That's a really good album name.

630
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: Should see the cover. Also baby farm. It's just nipples,

631
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: just nipples. The concerns even common people had about adoption

632
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: are embodied by this nineteen letter one couple sent to

633
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: the US Children's Bureau when they were considering an adoption quote,

634
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: we are very anxious to adopt a baby, but would

635
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: like to get one that we know about its parentage.

636
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: Are there any homes or orphanages where a person can

637
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: find out whether there is insanity, fits, or other hereditary

638
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: diseases in its ancestors. We would like to have one

639
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: from Christian parentage. So even people who are open to

640
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: adopting at this period of time are really concerned about it,

641
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: and it's not something that really happened very often. When

642
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Georgia started her business in nineteen four, the Boston Children's

643
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: Aid Society, which is one of the largest such organizations

644
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: in the US, arranged roughly five adoptions a year. In

645
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: nineteen Georgia Tan arranged two hundred six adoptions in Memphis alone. So,

646
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: according to the baby Thief quote, she developed both her

647
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: business and the institution of adoption by doing something unprecedented,

648
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: making homeless children acceptable, even irresistible to childless couples. She

649
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: com cover on sprinkles ears the stable. What does that

650
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: even mean? Well, she accomplished this by insisting, when most

651
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: child placement workers apologize for the unworthiness of adoptable babies,

652
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: that they were neither children of sin nor genetically flawed.

653
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: They are, she said, repeatedly, blank slates. They are born untainted,

654
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: and if you adopt them at an early age and

655
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: surround them with beauty and culture, they will become anything

656
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: you wish them to be. So it's kind of she's

657
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of a mixed bag, because that's a good thing

658
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: to convince people when they think that, like, well, no,

659
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: if a baby's mom is dumb, the baby's gonna While

660
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: she's saying that cool ship, she's like literally taking a baby,

661
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: like putting it in her She literally stole a baby

662
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: with ice cream once by like luring it into her

663
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: car with ice cream. That wasn't too far off when

664
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: I said irresistible with sprinkles, Right, it's kind of scary

665
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: how close you are? Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, Georgie's babies

666
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: also came with a guarantee of satisfaction or you could

667
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: return it within thirty days. Yeah. Actually, oh my god,

668
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: she not only she not only invented adoption, but she

669
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: invented the return policy. Insane quote of our children turn

670
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: out on average better than one hundred children raised in

671
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: their families of birth. The reason is that ours is

672
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: a selective process. We select the child and we select

673
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: the home. Now, Georgie's adoptions were approved by judges. Of course,

674
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: it was not unheard of for some of these judges

675
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: to approve more than a dozen per day as George's

676
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: business took off. Georgia's favorite judge was Camille Kelly, a

677
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: juvenile court judge. In the guise of advising parents on

678
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: how to deal with unemployment or divorce, Kelly would in

679
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: their parental rights and transfer custody of their kids over

680
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: to Georgia. Fully of the children Georgia placed were given

681
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: to her by Justice Kelly. So parents would come in

682
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: being like, we just lost their job and like we

683
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: need to, you know, get benefits or something like that,

684
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: and she'd be like, Okay, you gotta fill out this

685
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: paperwork and then surprised the paperwork was given up your

686
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: rights to your kids. Oh my god. That's like when

687
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: they have you know, and like sitcoms or something, they

688
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: have you sign a paper and then they like take

689
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: the top layer off and they're like, ha ha, you

690
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: just sign the family farm away or whatever. But in

691
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: this case, it was your baby. Yeah, they didn't want

692
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: your farm. She's smart. Yeah. Mary Long was one of

693
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: her victims. When she was fifteen, she lived on a

694
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: farm with three sisters, a brother, and her mother, who

695
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: was dying of cancer. Their mother asked the state welfare

696
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: department to take her children temporarily while she waited for

697
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: her relatives to arrive in town and to take them instead,

698
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: the welfare worker took them to Kelly's juvenile courtroom. Kelly

699
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: turned the kids over to Georgia Tan. Mary later recalled

700
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: meeting Georgia quote, she had a tight lipped, hatchet face,

701
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: she was hateful looking mean. Judge Kelly promised to send

702
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: them all to an orphanage for safekeeping, and she mostly

703
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: did that, but Georgia Tan wanted Mary's youngest sister, five

704
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: year old Christine. When they arrived at the orphanage, Mary's

705
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: young sister was abducted and pulled into Georgia Tan's waiting limousine. Bessie, Bessie,

706
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: Bessie Bessie. I can still hear her screams. I begged

707
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: the nuns at St. Peter's to tell me what had happened.

708
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: Finally one said Georgia Tan had flown Christine out of

709
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: the state to be adopted. Son didn't want The older

710
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: ones just took their young sister and was like, as

711
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: the only kid I need. You need to stick the

712
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: rest with the nuns. Who gives a fuck? Georgia was

713
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: only but I gotta say, if you're getting abducted into

714
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: a limo, kind of best gay scenario adoption? Yeah, most people,

715
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean abduction of mostly just put you in a van. Yeah,

716
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: it is better than a van. You know, you're getting

717
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: put in that nice car. I'm just here for the

718
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: silver lining. It's all about that silver lining. Speaking of

719
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: silver linings, it's time for another ad break, and the

720
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: silver linings of these ads is that none of them

721
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: will be about babies getting stolen or murdered. Beautiful, beautiful products.

722
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: We're back. Georgia was only able to get away with

723
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: any of her crimes due to the shocking and total

724
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: collision of the local government in Memphis. Some of this

725
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: was due to bribery of the traditional sort, but much

726
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: of it was due to George's ability to secure children

727
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: for their wealthy and powerful people in town. When one

728
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: member of the Tennessee State Legislature's grandchild was delivered stillborn,

729
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Georgia tan stole and procured a new infant for his

730
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: daughter the very same day. The baby was handed over

731
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: to the legislator's daughter while she was still innesthetized from

732
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: giving birth. She never even knew her original baby had died.

733
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: Holy fun, you need a baby today, I get you

734
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: a fucking baby. Like I'll find you a damn baby.

735
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean she she also invented that like thirty minutes

736
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: or less pizza guarantee. Yeah, she kind of invented like

737
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Amazon's whole policy of same day delivered Prime membership baby delivery.

738
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: You know Jeff Bezos, now that we've said it, our

739
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: phones have sent him that, and he's like he's already,

740
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: he's already, Like we've been working on this for months.

741
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: Lay to ruin it. The problem is getting drones that

742
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: won't fall out of the guy with a baby in

743
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: and we've lost a lot of babies that way. Oh,

744
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: we have fun. By Georgia had gotten so good at

745
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: stealing babies that she just had too damn many of them,

746
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: more than she could place using her usual methods. I mean,

747
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: that's such a classic baby abduction problem. After a while,

748
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: you're just like, there's too many baby too. May I

749
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: stole too many damn babies. Yeah, it's we've we've all

750
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: been there and some babies on layaway. Got to give

751
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: some away, put some in one of the baby farms,

752
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: just so you can get rid of the excess cinema

753
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: over that island in New York where all the baby's day. Oh,

754
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: so many options, so many options. She brought up this

755
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: surplus baby problem to her friend at a Guilty, a

756
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: reporter with the Memphis Press Scimitar. The holiday season was

757
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: approaching and Anna needed a bevy of space filling, heartwarming

758
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: Christmas content. The two hit upon the idea of solving

759
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: both of their issues by using the space to advertise

760
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: Georgia's babies. One of George's ads was just a picture

761
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: of several babies under the header want a real life

762
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 1: Christmas Present? Oh my god, it's like getting a puppy. Yeah,

763
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: that's exactly how it sounds. I'm going to read you

764
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: some of the copy from that real life Christmas present.

765
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: Baby could write that all right, what's your what's your guess? Okay,

766
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: do you want to have a true Christmas experience? Do

767
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: you want to experience with marry experience when she had Jesus? Well,

768
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: I have some top notch, a hundred percent blank slate

769
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: beautiful babies that are going to churn out to be

770
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: anything you want them to be. Do you want to

771
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: have the happiest little bundle under your Christmas tree? Come

772
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: to Georgia's babies. Babies? Uh, yeah, that's that's not super

773
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: far off. I wasn't trying to be funny. I was

774
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: just trying to nail it. You nailed it. Yeah, So

775
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: that they add read want of real life Christmas present? Well,

776
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: here's your chance for children raging an age from three

777
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: months the seven years will be presented it to as

778
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: many lucky families Christmas Eve. The press Simitar is making

779
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: special arrangements with Miss Georgia Tan to place these babies.

780
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: A December featuring a picture of two adorable babies said this,

781
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: see if you can pick out the boy in the picture. No,

782
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: you missed, it's the other one that Curtly had on

783
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: the right, and his playmate on the left is the girl.

784
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: She is eight months and the little boy is one

785
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: year old. They have golden hair, blue eyes, and good dispositions.

786
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: Apple cation should be sent to the press. Scimitar adoption

787
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: editor say, whether you want a boy or girl? Brunette,

788
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: blonde haired or redhead. Blonds, by the way, are in

789
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: the majority. Oh my god, she's gotten better at stealing

790
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: the blonde babies by that point. She's like, I know

791
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: what the market needs, I know what people want, and

792
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: they want they want blonde babies. Like yeah. The ads

793
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: were an instant, staggering hit the newspapers. Adoption editor, which

794
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: is not a thing that ought to exist, received dozens

795
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: of calls that very day. Georgia ran different ads with

796
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: different babies every day that December. She called them Christmas

797
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: babies living dolls, and advised readers to put your orders

798
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: in early. You want to get that baby before Christmas?

799
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't want to. Also, like be the one

800
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: person who didn't get a baby. Yeah, you don't want

801
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: Your friends are gonna make fun of you. Oh, you

802
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: didn't get the baby for Christmas? Loser the hot Christmas gift.

803
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: It's a literal baby. Yeah. Uh. The ads also took

804
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: on a unsettling air like even more than sort of

805
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: the commercializing of babies. There's one ad from November nineteen

806
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: thirty that described a five year old girl this way

807
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: a solemn little trick with big brown eyes matches five

808
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: years old and awful lonesome. What why is she a trick?

809
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. My only hope is that it meant

810
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: something less like risqu nineteen thirty Yeah, like she they're

811
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: trying to be like she's ready to fuck. She's five?

812
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: Why why? I don't know. I don't know. I mean,

813
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: although we'll be talking about George's love of molesting babies later,

814
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: that might have been a part of it. It's fucked up.

815
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: I said this was going to be like Yeah. December

816
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five ad for a five year old boy

817
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: was titled yours for the Asking and read how would

818
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: you like to have this handsome boy play catch with you?

819
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: How would you like his chubby arms to slip around

820
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: your neck and give you a bear like hug. His

821
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: name is George and he may be yours for the asking. Jesus. Yeah,

822
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: this is nineteen thirty five, Like we're not, that's not

823
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: that far in the past. Like they have planes that

824
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: can go across continents World War two. It's crazy. The

825
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: Christmas ads were so successful that Georgia usually sold out

826
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: of babies. This provided her with an ever growing imagine

827
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: that she's running that ad and then on top of

828
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: it is that big sold out like stamp that they

829
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: do no more baby, I'm gonna go drive into the

830
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: poor part of town and pick some up, but like

831
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta give me like four hours to

832
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: grab the next wave. Fu dude. The ads provided her

833
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: with an ever growing list of future clients who she

834
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: could abduct children for and market too directly. The Christmas

835
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: baby stories were also a wild success from a content standpoint.

836
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: They became the newspapers most popular articles in a rampant

837
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: source of discussion for the people of Memphis. According to

838
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: the baby Thief quote, would the child be dressed in

839
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: lace or simply a diaper? Or as was Master Paul

840
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: advertised On December fourteenth of that first year, nothing at all.

841
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Our photographer caught the young gentleman a la nude, but

842
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't the least bit perturbed. He is seven months

843
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: old and blonde, like oh my god, elderly citizen save

844
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: their favorite pictures young matrons. Bridge parties were enlivened by

845
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: spirited but friendly arguments over whether Baby Bonnie was cuter

846
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: than Master Paul. George's ads made adoption a household word

847
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: in the region, and adoptable children their faces illuminating the

848
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: newspapers that shared table space with readers, coffee cups and

849
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: jam pots began to seem part of their family. I

850
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: really like that the jam pods worms. You want to

851
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: make sure you knew people were having jam at the time.

852
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: It was big. I mean, it's one of those things.

853
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: So like this is again part of like the complexity

854
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: of it is because like back before Georgia Tan started

855
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: her work, it was considered like shameful to it to

856
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: consider adopting a kid, because like you don't know where

857
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: it's going to come from. You're you know, you're making

858
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, you're essentially like letting this lower class person

859
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: infiltrate a good family. And she ends that stigma by

860
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: making everybody just kind of baby crazy. But she's also

861
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: doing it by turning babies into a commodity. Uh So,

862
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: two babies for the Priza, onebies for one day, throwing

863
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: a red head full free, Yeah, redheads half off you know,

864
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: you take a blonde, get a free redhead, Well, get

865
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: some colds cash for the future baby. You don't even

866
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: have to keep the redheads alive. You can smother them.

867
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: This is the thirties. Eventually, other newspapers started running Georgia

868
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: Tan's baby ads too. By ninety five, Georgia Tan had

869
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: placed children with parents in all forty eight United States,

870
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: along with four other countries. Thanks to the ads and

871
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: the growing success of George's business, she started to get

872
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: a little bit famous. This brought more applicants to her,

873
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: for which she had to find more babies. It also

874
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: made her rich, and this is probably where she should

875
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: we should talk about just how Georgia Tan monetized adoption.

876
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: So according to the baby thief quote, she didn't openly

877
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: affixed price tags to children, but instead charged fees for

878
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: transporting them to their new homes. Georgia directed prospective adoptive

879
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: parents to make their checks out to her, not to

880
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Children's Home Society, and to send them to

881
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: her private post office box in Memphis. These fees included

882
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: travel expenses for a worker and the baby to be adopted.

883
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: And we're doing three installments, she charged California said it's

884
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty eight dollars for the first visit.

885
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: In New York City residents two hundred and twenty eight

886
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: dollars and eighty one cents. Adoptive parents and other areas

887
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: were charged fees somewhat between these figures. The next installment

888
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: of George's fee was du upon the delivery of the child.

889
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: Georgia enjoyed handing babies too happy excited couples, and she

890
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: often made this trip herself. California residents were charged three

891
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty dollars. New Yorkers paid two hundred and

892
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: sixty eight dollars and eighty one cents. Now, there were

893
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: no calls New Yorkers pay more for the first installment

894
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: but less for the second. I don't know. It's probably

895
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: just because she wanted the money. It doesn't make sense. Yeah,

896
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: it's that's the only thing that bothers me about this. Financials.

897
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: Financials worried now there were no qualifications for adopting a

898
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: child from Georgia Tan other than that you know, you

899
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: have access to money. A former Children's Bureau worker later

900
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: told Barbara Raymond quote she placed with no regard to

901
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: whether children would be happy in their adoptive homes. It

902
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: was hidden miss she was trying to place every child

903
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: in Memphis. She wanted to get her hands on every

904
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: child she could. Since Georgia Tan didn't actually care about

905
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: any of these kids, she regularly made parents wait more

906
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: than a year between the second and third trips. This

907
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: made it seem to the parents like Georgia really did

908
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: carefully scrutinize every placement before approving an adoption. The reality

909
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: is that this was all done to justify charging a

910
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: shipload of money on the third installment. California residents could

911
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: expect to spend a total of seven and thirty one

912
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: dollars and forty four cents for a baby. New Yorkers

913
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: paid a total of a little over seven hundred and

914
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: sixty six dollars In modern terms, that's roughly eleven thousand

915
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: dollars per baby, so these are a high dollar item.

916
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: Georgia Tans sometimes sold babies for several times that much.

917
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: Ultra wealthy couples could be expected to pay as much

918
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: as ten thousand dollars in nineteen thirties dollars, which is

919
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: roughly a hundred and forty grand today, normally like having

920
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: a baby via surrogate, that's about a hundred grand. Yeah,

921
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: I think I think it's like, yeah, yeah, that's very expensive. Um.

922
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: But adoption is not supposed to be that expensive. And

923
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: at the time, normal adoption agencies did not charge anything

924
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: except for like fees to cover their basic operating costs. Um.

925
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: And so she was working through a state agency, but

926
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: she was getting paid personally herself for delivering the babies.

927
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: She's a nice racket. If you should make it work,

928
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: She's a fucking g uh. Much of George's profits came

929
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: from building new couples for her travel expenses. This led

930
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: to her increasingly selling her babies to out of state couples.

931
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: By the late forties, more than of her stock was

932
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: sent out of Tennessee. The more places she sold babies,

933
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: and the more babies she sold, the more famous she became,

934
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: and the more people reached out to her wanting to

935
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: adopt babies of their own. This led to an increasing

936
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: series of what missed hand called roundups. Oh god, that's

937
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: so dark. Yeah. Round up. Roundups were conducted by groups

938
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: of varying sizes that included her and or one or

939
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: more of her subordinates. They were accompanied by an ever

940
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: changing assortment of Memphians, juvenile court employees, social workers, and

941
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: deputy sheriffs. Armed with papers signed by Judge Camille Kelly.

942
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: The groups descended upon the apartments, homes, farms, and even

943
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: houseboats of poor parents, rounding up their children, looking them over,

944
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 1: and carrying off those Georgia deemed most marketable. The reason

945
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: most often cited and Judge Kelly's author isation with that

946
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: their parents were providing a poor home environment. Georgia wasn't

947
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: required to explain why she often seized only the youngest

948
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: members of a sibling group, not all yeah, that's cool,

949
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: super cool Georgia. Most of the children she abducted were

950
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: babies are toddlers. Usually the cut off was around age five.

951
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: When she abducted older children, including teens, it was because

952
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: of specific requests she received from different clients. As her

953
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: business group, Georgia began stealing children in order to fulfill

954
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: specific orders. One example of how this worked is the

955
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: story of a thirty one year old widow and mother

956
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: of six named Grace Gribble. Now Grace had a social

957
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: worker from the Memphis Family Welfare Agency named Sarah Sims

958
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: Sarah visited regularly to check in on Grace and her family,

959
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: but Sarah was also working with Georgia Tan dun dunn

960
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: dun dundone, and one day Sarah showed up with one

961
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: of Tan's other employees, a woman named Helen Rose. Sarah

962
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: told Grace that she needed to sign six papers that

963
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: would guarantee her children free medical care from the state.

964
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: This was all a ruse, though the papers were really

965
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: forfeitures of parental rights. Once they were signed, Helen told Grace,

966
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: I'll take of three youngest children now. Grace started sobbing

967
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: while Sarah and Helen took three of her children and

968
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: stuffed them into the back of one of Georgia Tan's limousines.

969
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: As Grace begged them to stop, Helen coldly explained that

970
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: we have an order for a boy at this age

971
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: and type. Grace went to the local juvenile court. Someone

972
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: ordered your baby, Sorry, someone ordered your baby. I got

973
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: I got this order, Like, what do you want me

974
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: to do? Not fulfilled baby order? Uh? So Grace went

975
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: to the local juvenile court to try and get her

976
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: children back. She found Georgia Tan there and asked where

977
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: are my babies, to which Georgia replied, they're on their

978
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: way to a much better life than you could provide them.

979
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: You should thank me. For some reason, Grace was not grateful.

980
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: She continued to beg Georgia Tan to not abduct her children.

981
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: Georgie advised her forget them now. Unlike most of Georgia's victims,

982
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: Grace was eventually able to find a lawyer. They took

983
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: her seven months to do this. During this time, her

984
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: six year old was given to a family in Florida.

985
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: Her three year old was adopted by a doctor in Memphis,

986
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: but her four year old was rejected by the couple

987
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: who bought him. They sent him back to Memphis on

988
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: a train with a dollar in his pocket, but they

989
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: had specifically requested specific The questioned him, maybe he's probably

990
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: had a dent or something. You know, you want a

991
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: fresh baby. Uh. He spent seven years in foster homes

992
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 1: before being adopted again, this time by alcoholics Jesus. Grace

993
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: did eventually get a trial, but courts being what they

994
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: were in nineteen forty, the issue that interested the court

995
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: wasn't where this woman's children stolen from her? It was

996
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: does she have as much money as the new parents?

997
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: Of her children. In the end, the judge ruled that

998
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: the adoptions would be allowed to stand. Grace would not

999
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: get her children back. The judge told her, quote, this

1000
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: is one of the sad tragedies of life that even

1001
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: a mother must endure for the best interest of her children. Sorry,

1002
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: the other people have more money. You understand your poor,

1003
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: Your poor. Think about that. People can't raise mecore. You can't.

1004
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: You're poor. You can't have several little cores. Yeah, got

1005
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: to give him away, Gotta give him away. Georgia Tan

1006
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: was able to get away with so much in part

1007
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: because she had a tight relationship with the man who

1008
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: was basically the dictator of Memphis at this point, e h.

1009
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: Boss Crump. According to The New York Post, that is

1010
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: also a fake name with what what was it rust

1011
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: Russell Raspberry? Yeah, not Russell Rufus. That's That's the best

1012
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: thing to come out of this story, is that a

1013
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: man named Rufus Raspberry once existed. Yeah, and what is

1014
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: it Boss Crump? That sounds like a video game boss

1015
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: that you have to beat at the very end. Everything

1016
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: was ridiculous in the thirties, like, man, Yeah, it's just

1017
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: a silly time. According to the New York Post. Quote Crump,

1018
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: also a transplant in Mississippian, was the sometime mayyor and

1019
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: leader of that Crumping is named after yes I Hope

1020
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: so uh. He developed a cozy patronage with Tan. She

1021
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: paid him off and brought the fame of her society

1022
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: to Memphis. He in turn protected her from prying investigations,

1023
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: while city police ignored the complaints of families who had

1024
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: lost children to Tan and sometimes even helped Tan sees kids.

1025
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: So the cops got out on it. You need help

1026
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: stealing babies, Georgia, Yeah, not not a big shocker. Georgia

1027
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: Tan seemed to see much of what she was doing

1028
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: as a sort of class war. She believed the poor

1029
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: were unworthy parents, and that their children were better off

1030
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: dead if they couldn't grow up wealthy. This had the

1031
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: benefit for Georgia of making her look outward spotless to

1032
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: the world. Most of the coverage around here focused on

1033
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: either the adorable pictures of babies and newspapers, or her

1034
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: work adopting out babies to the rich and famous. She

1035
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: provided Joan Crawford with her twin daughters. Are you serious?

1036
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: I am serious? She provided babies to Latta Turner and

1037
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: Pearl Buck and Herbert Lehman, the governor of New York.

1038
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: A number of the children she stole later grew up

1039
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: to be prominent themselves, including the wrestler Ric Flair. Flair

1040
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: was stolen as a baby by Georgia Tan. Yeah, Joan

1041
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: Crawford got her kids from you. We should have led

1042
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: with this. We buried the lead on this line. I

1043
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: don't know where Joan Crawford's babies came from. Were stolen

1044
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: from its, so we don't know where they're really from. No.

1045
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: One of George's legacies that actually persists to this day

1046
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: is like in most of the country, it started to change.

1047
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: The records of like where the child came from our

1048
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: sealed and like you like in a lot of cases,

1049
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: you can't find out what you're past. That's yeah, now

1050
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: you can figure it out at a certain point. It

1051
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: used to be that it was just destroyed and like

1052
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: that you had no access to them. They were basically

1053
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: sealed in most of the country. And that's something Georgia

1054
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: lobbied for, specifically to make it harder for people to

1055
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: figure out where she was stealing babies from and stuff. Ye,

1056
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe that the legacies kind of stayed. That's

1057
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: what I mean when I say she kind of invented

1058
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: the modern way of adoption, and like a lot of

1059
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: not all of it's bad, but it all started because

1060
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: like she was just trying to figure out a better

1061
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: way to steal and market babies. That's it's fucking wild. Yeah,

1062
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: And Georgia Tan's business was even darker than it seems

1063
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: because for Georgia, babies were just products like melons or

1064
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: bottles of beer or cartons of milk. And with any product,

1065
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: you're going to have some spoilage, you're breakage to deal with.

1066
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: In the case of Georgia Tan, that spoilage came in

1067
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: the form of a shipload of dead babies. But we're

1068
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: going to talk about all that and so much more

1069
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: when we come back on Thursday. This is a good

1070
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: note to end the episode on how you feeling about

1071
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: Georgia Tan. I mean, I first made up patch of her,

1072
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: and then I sewed it on my jacket and now

1073
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: I've torn it off. Yeah, I just feel like my

1074
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: previous love of her was just you know, yeah, not justified,

1075
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: not justified. It was you get you get excited because

1076
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: the lawyer thing and then it was like a lesbian

1077
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: a lawyer. This is amazing, baby steeler. Oh, this is

1078
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: taking a dark turn baby murderer even darker. Oh she

1079
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: molested some of the babies. Okay, I'm gonna head out.

1080
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: I'm outseas. Uh you want to plug your plug doubles? Sure? Um.

1081
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: I you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at

1082
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: the Sophia t h E S O F I y

1083
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: A and listen to my podcast Private Parts Unknown. We

1084
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: talked about sex and sexuality and we travel around the world.

1085
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: Pretty cool. That does sound pretty cool. If you want

1086
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: to find this podcast on Twitter, Instagram, twin Instagram. Uh,

1087
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: it's at bastards pod is the is the is the

1088
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: handle for both. You can find us on the internet

1089
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: behind the bastards dot com, which is where we'll have

1090
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: these sources for this uh podcast listed. If you want

1091
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: to really get deep down into baby murder, there's more

1092
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: links for you. Bummed the funk out The Baby Thief

1093
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: is a fine piece of journalism on a super bummer

1094
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: of a topic. Uh hooray. Um. We have a shirts.

1095
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: You can buy shirts, you can buy beer cozys. Uh,

1096
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: you can buy phone cases, you can buy munitions all

1097
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: branded with behind the bastards any babies, Yes, yeah, we

1098
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: we do now sell babies. Are you running a special Yeah,

1099
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: you know what, I am okay to tell us with

1100
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: the special tubernets for the price of a blonde. Oh

1101
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna get in on this. Everybody should

1102
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: get get your baby. You don't want to be the

1103
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: only person on Easter. Yea, and and and try to

1104
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: try to text ahead of time because I need to

1105
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: like have time to drive down to the poor part

1106
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: of town duct a couple of kids. It goes you

1107
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: need you need a little bit of lead time. You

1108
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: need a little bit of lead time to steal some babies.

1109
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, I only have some much room in the

1110
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: trunk of the car. I mean, I'll provide the limo.

1111
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: I'll rent a limo so that you can really steal

1112
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: in style, the old fashioned way, the old fashioned way,

1113
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: chucking him in the back of the limo and driving off.

1114
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: It sounds great. Well, oh yeah, I have a podcast.

1115
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: It's called it Could Happen Here. It's not as depressing

1116
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: as this, but it's the title sounds like it probably is.

1117
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty depressing. It is pretty depressing. We don't

1118
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: talk about sheld molestation though, Well, but it could happen here.

1119
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: I think you are not thinking of like an ice

1120
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: cream party. It's like negative things, yea of an ice

1121
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: cream party. What I'm saying, No one's ever like it

1122
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: could happen here. About something great? Yeah, like a fast

1123
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: of all, Yeah that could happen here. No, it's it's

1124
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: a bummer committed depression. You are. That's all I ever

1125
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: do is sad stuff. That's the end of the episode.