1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups, histories with 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back then or learn the 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, and welcome 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt and I'm Ben, 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: but I am null and most importantly you are here, 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: which makes this, ladies and gentlemen, anohing episode of stuff 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. And this is our 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: first time being together in the studio and in a 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: little while, isn't it. Since the Turkey Times, it's been 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: a lovely holiday break for all except for Matt. No, 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: it was great, good. Yeah, we all right, guess what 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: we're getting into this Now you're gonna have to wait 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: on your ghost content, y'alls, because we're gonna talk about 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: driving in a car for twelve and a half hours 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: with U by eBay. That's right. It was incredible. Yeah, 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: you feel like you know yourself better. Yeah, I know 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: the whole family. The whole family knows itself and h 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: we are all one. It's good to know. Yeah, it 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: looks good. I feel like I know you better. Excellent. 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: At one point we're driving down the road and uh 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: sons in the back and he is just inconsolable, and 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: we just finished changing him and he got the feed 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: for a while, and we're making a horrible time, supposed 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: to like take eight and a half hours to get 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: down where we're going, and it was already up words 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: of ten. So Diana said, you know what we're doing this. 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: She just leaned over him and fed him mid drive. 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say she chucked him up 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: to one down. No, no, not this time, not yet. 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: It's a little early for that. But yeah, doing some 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: dangerous things on the highway, guys. And am I gonna 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: get in trouble for that? No? We do. Yeah, I 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: don't know the law. Maybe I'm going to go out 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: on a limb and say that I hope law enforcement 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: has something better to do. Yeah, I guess you're right. 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: But it was terrifying at the same time. So, speaking 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: of families and terror, I'm the only one who's gonna 38 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: share about my turkeys. Turkey times. I went to dinner 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: with my mom. We we ate, but we had a buffet. 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: It was you know, that's my favorite kind. It was good. 41 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: And then we went and saw the new Bond film, which, 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: as it turns out, was called Specter speaking of fantastic. Yeah. So, 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: as you have probably noticed from several of the incredibly 44 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: um clever hints that we have dropped in the beginning 45 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: of the episode, today we're going to return to a 46 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: topic that is interested a lot of our listeners, a 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: lot of our audience, and we have done a couple 48 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: of podcasts and videos on in the past, and that 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: is Oh my good, spooky ghosts. Spooky go So, first 50 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: things first, what is a ghost? What what do we 51 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: mean when we say that's a ghost. That's when you 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: leave the party and don't say goodbye to anybody. Okay, 53 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, That's just how I am, and that's 54 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: how I'm going to be. Oh oh god, I wish 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I knew more context about why or which party it happened. 56 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Any social occasion, you can't just walk around and say 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: goodbye to forty something people. You will never be able 58 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: to leave. Uh So, a ghost is the spirit of 59 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: a dead person, right then it's either not moved on 60 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: or it's returned from the grave. And then you have 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: terms like spirit and the definitions can vary wildly. Some 62 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: people describe the spirit as a person's soul well you know. 63 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: Others believe it's more of an energetic imprint that a 64 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: person leaves behind, sort of a psychic thumb print that 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: they leave when they pass on. I like that idea, 66 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: the idea that perhaps if there is a ghost, then 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: it is the energy of someone who was here before. 68 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily a thing that you can point to, 69 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: like a ghost or a spirit. It's just this imprint 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: that they've made. I love that idea, and I mean, 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: as we'll talk about later. And I've got a particular 72 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: story in mine. That can be something physical that is 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: left behind and that you then associate meaning connect meaning 74 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: to after the fact and that you know, I mean, 75 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: or it could be something a little bit more ephemeral. 76 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: Let's we'll get into as well, exactly. And one of 77 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: the great things about this kind of belief, if if 78 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: you do believe personally in these kind of things, the 79 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: spirits and goes, it's not in the fringes at all. 80 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: This is something that's been around for a long time 81 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: that a lot of you know, uh, really intelligent people 82 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: have believed in. And we talked about it before, and 83 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: it's also one of those things that it's extremely helpful, 84 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: helpful for the human experience to have a belief like this. Yeah. 85 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: I mean even Winston Churchill reported seeing ghosts, the ghost 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: of Abraham Lincoln while walking into a White House bedroom 87 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: in the Nude. Apparently, Churchill regarded Lincoln with a very pithy, 88 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: good evening, Mr President, do you seem to have me 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: at a disadvantage? That's not bad, That's not bad at all. 90 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: Working on the Churchill, I wonder what Lincoln said back. 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: Probably just gave him the dead eyes. According to this story, 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: the apparition of Abraham Lincoln kind of smirked and thats 93 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: appeared smiled. I was close. That's how Churchill said it. Um. 94 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: So Interestingly enough, Winston Churchill spent his entire life convinced 95 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: that he heard certain voices that changed the course of 96 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: his fate, and so he blamed a lot of or 97 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: not blamed. He attributed a lot of the close calls 98 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: in his childhood and adult life with these voices saying 99 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: things like, not that side of the carriage moved to 100 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: the other side. WHA, So who's the who's to say? Um? 101 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: For those believe in psychic powers, there's the idea that 102 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: maybe Churchill had some sort of sensitivity his antenna were 103 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: tuned to a different frequency, or maybe he was being 104 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: controlled by extraterrestrials, or maybe he was slightly schizophrenic. Yeah, 105 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: we could take our pick and we'll get to some 106 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: of those ideas or causes have seen ghosts that Another 107 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: example would be like Arthur Conan Doyle, famous creator of 108 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes. He was very much a man of his time, 109 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: and if you were a man of your time at 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: that time, it meant that you thought mediums were the 111 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: real deal. That's a shame, because I mean to have 112 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: created a character like Sherlock Holmes, who was supposed to 113 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: be able to just see through the b as that 114 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: anyone was putting out there. I find it a little 115 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: bit troubling that that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was taken 116 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: in by these mediums who have pretty pretty much been 117 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: debunked across the board. But I can imagine that being 118 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: an exciting, a very thrilling, just thing to do after work, 119 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: after you've been writing for a long time. I'll go 120 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: down and even if just pretend it's almost like you're 121 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: in a little mini play. Well, now, we also have 122 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: to remember too that a lot of people were applying 123 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: critical thought. They were they were trying to figure it out. 124 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: They just didn't know all the tricks yet, because all 125 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: the tricks hadn't been invented yet, you know. Uh so 126 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: there they were clearly gonna be Um. I don't know 127 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: what Doyle's ending, um yeah, of of psychic powers was, 128 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: but I know for a time that he did believe 129 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: it was possible as to other people of the day, 130 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: and uh as do people now, which might be a 131 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: good idea for an episode because a lot of people 132 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: believe in the afterlife. Belief in the afterlife predates language. 133 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: Have we talked about mentalists and cold reading? I think 134 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: not yet. I think you wanted to talk about a 135 00:07:54,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: cold reader? Was it a gew Shoes? And then John? 136 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: It's John, I'm getting I know, I know a guy 137 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: named John. I do I know several John's. In fact, 138 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: got man. We should honestly get some people in the 139 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: studio to do like a reading of us. That would 140 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: be fun for an episode, that would be interesting. Not 141 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: to get too bog down, I want to say one 142 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: more thing just about so I know, I was kind 143 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: of ragging on Starthur Kunnan Doyle about being gullible and 144 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: being taken in by these mediums, and you brought up 145 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: the fact that this is something that still happens today today. 146 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: It happens usually in the form of reality television shows. 147 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: And I did a little side gig taking behind the 148 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: curtain of knol here Um as a sound op for 149 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: a pilot for a reality show that starred a celebrity psychic. 150 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: And one of her bits was she had these uh 151 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: people would bring family heirlooms out and she would wave 152 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: her hands around it and say things about the history 153 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: of the item, and it's related to the history the 154 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: person in their family. And she, you know, she made 155 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: some people freak out. And I know that they weren't 156 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: plants because one of them was actually the wife of 157 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: the guy that was running the production company, and she's 158 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: definitely a skeptic and it freaked her out to no end. So, 159 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: you know, but I'm on the fence about some some 160 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: of these things too. I gotta say, do you think 161 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: it was it was possible to explain that or because 162 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: when you're talking about psychometry, so I definitely think it 163 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: was possible to explain. I think there are ways that 164 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: she could have researched this person, and you know, especially nowadays, 165 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: with as much information as we put out there on 166 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: the Internet, it's probably pretty easy for someone that's in 167 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: a position where they know who's going to be coming 168 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: to do a little research. Gonna say, I don't want 169 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: to speak badly about the person who was running the production, 170 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: whose spouse it was, but I mean, if you want 171 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 1: some good TV or good video, then maybe speak a 172 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: little insider information. But even even the most skeptical people 173 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: that I that I've met at least have um how 174 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: have at one point or another had some serious event 175 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: occur or a dream which seems to predict something. I 176 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: know you guys have had something like that, and I 177 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: certainly have UM in my family. Maybe it's a maybe 178 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: it's some sort of mental illness carried down through the line. 179 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: But um, the big mystery that ghost or inches uh 180 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: inextricably related to is, of course the afterlife, the big 181 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: thing that no one can explain. Right, we know so 182 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: little about what happen. We know what happens to our bodies, right, 183 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: we totally get that part. Everybody knows that part, and uh, 184 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: our fellow podcasters have done some great and gruesome episodes 185 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: on what happens to you physically when you die. But 186 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: the real question that everybody asked the embody fights over. Um, 187 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: far be it for me to blame war on religion. 188 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying the big thing is is there an afterlife? 189 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: You know? And and who's in charge of it? And 190 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: who's gonna be there? Right? Well? What are the rules 191 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: to get in? That's have did you guys watched the 192 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: new with Bob and David stuff Heaven's Toad's for real, 193 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: Heaven's todes for real. It's a good one. Spoilers should 194 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: watch it pertains to It's sort of kind of turns 195 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: on its head, these preconceived ideas of who gets to 196 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: go to heaven? What's leave it at that? Yeah? Yeah, 197 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: I think it would be difficult to explain over an 198 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: audio pie thinks so. A two thousand and five Gallops 199 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: survey finds that, at least in the US, and we 200 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: may have mentioned this in earlier shows, uh, more than 201 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: one and three Americans believed straight up believe in haunted houses. 202 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: Like do not go in there, Janet, I've seen the 203 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: movie That place is haunted. It will wear your flesh 204 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: and a different you will emerge from the gate. Well, 205 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: and that gives the preconceived notion that it's possible for 206 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: a location al sical space to be haunted by something. 207 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: Whether it's like the thumb print model that we described 208 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: the show, where something bad happened there and it left 209 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: behind some bad energy. Maybe it doesn't have to be bad. 210 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: It could be a good haunting. But usually you know, 211 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: I guess what makes it into popular culture is more 212 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: the the evil spirits than the you know, scary hauntings 213 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: and people are being tormented and things like that, and 214 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: it's more interesting stuff from this poll too. So people 215 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: believe that maybe there's a non haunted place, but given 216 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: certain circumstances, the ghost of someone can return. Your your 217 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: grandmother or your grandfather that visited you once when you 218 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: were three, may come back and say, the buildings on fire, 219 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yeah, look out for you, 220 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: almost like it would Guardian Angel of Swords, but it's 221 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: someone directly from your past. Of the people in the 222 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: poll believe, like Arthur Conan Doyle did, that it is 223 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: possible to communicate with the spirits of the dead well 224 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: and specifically that they could do it right, that's what yes, Yeah, 225 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: that they have had some sort of contacts more than 226 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: I thought it would be. It's more than I thought 227 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: it would the two. But these numbers pale in comparison 228 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: to uh to the next statistic. Yes, Ben, forty two 229 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: of the Americans that were pulled believe that quote people 230 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: on this earth are sometimes possessed by the devil, And 231 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: we've talked about exorcisms before. That is it's interesting because 232 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: it leads you down a specific belief system, right, a 233 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: system of belief to believe that the devil exists first 234 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: of all, or Satan, and then that that entity, when 235 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: it is real, can enter or at least a demon, 236 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: can enter a human body. So our demons ghosts, is 237 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: the devil a ghost man. There's a lot of minutia 238 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: there that's being rhetorical, But I guess what I'm saying 239 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: is I wonder, is there anything in the Bible about ghosts? Uh? Yeah, 240 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: there are mentions of ghosts. One of the first, because 241 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: it's such an old belief, one of the first mentions 242 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: of ghosts, which we had talked about before, is in 243 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: the Epic of Gilgamesh, which, um, that's just a strange 244 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: name for me, uh to say. So anyway, it always 245 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: makes me think of Gargamel Gargamel. Yeah, and why isn't 246 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: anybody naming their kid gilgameshter gargamell uh and Matt. That 247 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: was that was your shot? Missed opportunity missed it this time. Yeah, 248 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: But seriously, I mean, like, as far as you know, 249 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: you you're talking about the idea of ghosts dating back 250 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: to this really really early text. Obviously, the Bible is 251 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: a very important old text that we you know, many 252 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: people rely on daily. Um, and I just wonder what 253 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: the stats being what they are with so many people 254 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: believing in ghosts and believing the ability to communicate with ghosts. 255 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: I wonder what the religious connection is there, And I 256 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: would just be interested in finding out more about that. Yeah, 257 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting because, um, I'd like to hear from some 258 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: people who are perhaps a little more familiar with that, 259 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: because you know, most of the use of the phrase 260 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: ghosts in the Christian Bible is probably going to be 261 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: related to the Holy Ghost Act, right. I guess what 262 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm kind of fumbling around to say is that I 263 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, uh, folks that are devout 264 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: in their religion in terms of especially Christianity, would be 265 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: less likely to believe in ghosts, simply because the idea 266 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: of spirits lingering after death sort of goes against the 267 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: basic principles of of Christianity in terms of like, if 268 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: you did good, you go to heaven. If you did bad, 269 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: you go to hell. There's really no niddle ground, there's 270 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: no sticking around as far as what I've read got well, 271 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: it could also that's interesting bringing up because then there 272 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: could still be a belief in non human spirits such 273 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: as possessive demons or angels, right exactly, and in um. 274 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: In Islamic addition, you know, we've talked about this before. 275 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating thing to me. There is a third 276 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: sort of sentient race, right that the Jinn, and they're 277 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: brought from a smokeless screen fire and very different. Throw 278 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: the Aladdin stuff out. The Disney film Aladdin is great, 279 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: so the stories in a thousand one Nights great, but 280 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: the actual jin are much, um much closer to something 281 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: like an angel or a demon. Um. So that that 282 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: that's a belief in something that is otherworldly yet not 283 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: quite in the afterlife. Um. But that's also an interesting 284 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: point raised too, like if we go back to Christianity, Yeah, 285 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't people be much less likely to believe in that 286 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: I would. I'm gonna go ahead and just really quickly disagree, 287 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: just because I think if you are, if you have 288 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: that belief system that there is something that is so 289 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: outside of the normal everyday experience, right, so the belief 290 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: that that just through faith, I believe that there's this 291 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: whole other plane called Heaven that exists. I believe there's 292 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: this other plane called Hell that exists, perhaps and all 293 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: these other things like h especially if you believe in 294 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: some of the parables, if you believe that they are 295 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: absolutely true to the word, then perhaps you could believe 296 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: that there's this thing that you've never seen before called 297 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: a ghost. But I absolutely believe that it's there. And 298 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: maybe you know, something gets caught up in the in 299 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: the process and gets left behind, you know, like the 300 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: spirit didn't make it to Heaven, hasn't passed on. It's 301 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: just interesting. There's just like you said, there's just so 302 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: many sex there's so many different belief systems that there 303 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: are just as many ideas for this stuff as there 304 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: are you know, stars in this But the poll shows 305 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: that there's no statistically significant differences that if you look 306 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: at age, gender, race, region of the country education. Uh, 307 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: Christians are if anything, a little more likely to hold 308 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: generally paranormal beliefs rather than non Christians. But also guys, 309 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: when we say paranormal beliefs, this pole didn't just ask 310 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 1: about ghosts necessarily, and it didn't just ask about um 311 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: identifying as by religion. This Uh, this asked about you know, 312 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: the belief in the idea of extrasensory perception esp. Do 313 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: you believe that you can read binds? Alan Turing did? 314 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: By the way? Um? But whether regardless of religion, the 315 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: point is that there seems to be a pretty even 316 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: slice across demographics. Um. The believing in an afterlife in 317 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: and of itself is a paranormal belief on its face, 318 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: in that it can it hasn't been proven right in 319 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: a way that everybody accepts. So what we're going to 320 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: talk about, We're gonna talk about a little bit of 321 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: of hauntings right here are the facts, and then uh, 322 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Oh, let's see, you know, we 323 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: can talk a little bit about famous ghost investigations and 324 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: ghost winters. Uh, And we can tell a little bit 325 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: of maybe a little bit of behind the curtain stuff too. 326 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: So types of hauntings described hauntings. You can find all 327 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: sorts of lists for these things. But then again, with 328 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: no hard proof of what creates the phenomenon that we 329 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: call ghosts. Uh, it's tough to say that this is 330 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: our anything other than someone's opinion. But we have we 331 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: have stuff like knowls, um nols, psychic thumb prints, residual 332 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: thing right, yeah, I mean, and the way I was 333 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: talking about the top of the show, Um, how some 334 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: of these things that get left behind. You can think 335 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: of it in a couple of ways. You could think 336 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: of it as this energy or this spirit of this 337 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: thing that was left behind, in terms of a life 338 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: force or some sort of like imprint the a person 339 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: has made that's left behind, you know, outlives them. Um. 340 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: I have a little short story. I actually think I've 341 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: told this before and this on the podcast. But it 342 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: was just a moment where I experienced what I thought 343 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: was that thing, and at that moment I didn't I 344 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: thought it could be nothing, but what I thought it was, 345 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: which was proof positive that there is an afterlife. That 346 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: I was witnessing the presence of some sort of spirit, 347 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: and it was a girl I was dating at the time, 348 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: a dear friend of hers had passed away in a 349 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: car accident. And I met this girl, my my girlfriend 350 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: at the time, in her car and it was kind 351 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: of a cold day, cold evening rather, and so her 352 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: windows were fogged up, and I got in the car 353 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: with her to go get dinner, and she was and 354 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: was kind of sobbing, and she pointed to the inside 355 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: of the windshield and then she blew on it. And 356 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: this girl who had passed away recently, her signature was 357 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: inside of this windshield, just clear as day. And at 358 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: that exact moment, I was just like, I freaked out. 359 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: I just started, you know, crying, and it is just 360 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: this very cathartic moment. And then separated from it, I 361 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: very quickly realized, well, you know, these girls were good friends. 362 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: They were, you know, in their late teens, early twenties 363 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: kind of stuff girls do they you know, write their 364 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: name on the inside of a windshield and you have 365 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: like oils on your fingers that will cause that residual 366 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: fingerprint to stick around. So I just think it's kind 367 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: of an interesting parallel because it is both of those things. 368 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: You know. It is not only a sort of a memory, 369 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: sort of a left behind a bit of someone's essence 370 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: or energy. But it was very literally a fingerprint. Yeah, 371 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: that's your that's that's Ereie man. Yeah, I remembered when, Um, 372 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: you've mentioned that before and it stayed, it stayed with you. 373 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people in their audience 374 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: have had some sort of inexplicable experience, right, and can 375 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: you can find um, you can find anecdotes, especially surrounding 376 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: loved ones or family members. Um, you know, the people 377 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: who say they have a that a feeling of sudden 378 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: dark epiphany that someone had passed and they just knew, right, 379 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: And it's something that people have, people have attempted to 380 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: study and in many but there's no you know, there's 381 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: no accepted psychic alarm system. Right, So there's that residual 382 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: type of haunting, the kind that's kind of a JEF 383 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: in a place that just repeats and repeats and repeats 384 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: and repeats. So when you ever, whenever you go to 385 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: the hotel, you're gonna see this essentially this same thing occur. 386 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: This ghostly apperation appears to fall out the window, this 387 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: guy in a bear costume and the shining I remember that. 388 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, we're a family show though, But 389 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: that's a perfect example, exactly the right example. Someone continually 390 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: reenacting the moment leading up to their death, for instance, 391 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: or the ghostly hitchhiker's always going the same place but 392 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: never get in there, going my way. Uh. Then then 393 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: there's the intelligent type of haunting, which is, you know, 394 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: a someone who was on a mission. You've seen this 395 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: in Hollywood films a lot. This is what the story of. 396 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: There's this haunting that's occurring, and until the mission is accomplished, 397 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: like you find out why they died, or you get 398 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: revenged for the person that killed them, like the Lovely 399 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: Bones for example. That's sort of what that story is about, 400 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: about the spirit of a young lady who has killed 401 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: before her time by a very dangerous criminal you know, 402 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: who lives in the neighborhood and goes unnoticed and her 403 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: spirit returns so that he can get his come up 404 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: and so that he can't do it to anybody else. 405 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: That is a trope, you know, and a lot of 406 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 1: these things to me are more fictional tropes than scientific things. 407 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: But that you know, that's just me being the skeptic here, 408 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: I guess, right. So there's the idea of this love 409 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: or the Crow the crew would be a th channel thing. 410 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: And the reason we're relying so so much so on 411 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: um fictional things is because, aside from one very dodgy 412 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: legal case UM centuries ago which actually happened, uh, the 413 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 1: law and ghosts don't really interact, you know, not as 414 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: much as it would be fun for it to happen. 415 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: I would totally watch though, like Law and Order Ghost condition. Yeah, 416 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: I would love to. I would love that's a million dollars. 417 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: I want to see one of those no nonsense Hollywood 418 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: Judge shows, you know, with the ghost Judge ghost the 419 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Judge is a ghost. I thought it would be ghost 420 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: coming into like this is fertile ground here, yeah, yeah, 421 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: here be serpents were on the edge of the map. Man, 422 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: this is terra incognita. Uh. Those are great ideas and 423 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: following them away and there's you know, people say, well, 424 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: there's the idea that they're be a demonic haunting, right, 425 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: and then there's the idea that there could be a 426 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: When I say demonic, I mean any kind of non 427 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: human thing. And then there's the idea that um, certain 428 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: locations can be haunted, which we have found is kind 429 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: of true. I know it sounds like we're burying the lead. 430 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: We'll explain why later. And let's not forget about poulter Geist, 431 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: sort of the Gremlins of the ghost world. And this 432 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: is where, okay, just refresh my memory because I think 433 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: I have an understanding of the Poulter guist because of 434 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: the movies where there are things occurring two objects in 435 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: a house, like objects are being moved a lot. Well, 436 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: I think it has a largely to do with sort 437 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: of a telekinetic ability. Um yeah, physical disturbance, physical disturbances 438 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: and mean in poulter Geist, the movie, there's the little 439 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: girl who is largely seen as kind of being not 440 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: maybe not the cause, but definite catalysts, a conduit or 441 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: some sort of catalyst for these energies. But yeah, I 442 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: think it can just like be like you know, chairs stacking, 443 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, or like you know, household appliances turning on 444 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: and off, or just uh uh knockings in the night. Uh. 445 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: The word Poulter guys to think in English means something 446 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: like noisy spirit or loud ghost, polka ghost, rumble ghost, yes, 447 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: polka ghosts. But but that's interesting because Poulter dieist had 448 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: often at least in folklore, been thought to be haunting 449 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: a specific person, you know, like a often an adolescent girl. Honestly, like, um, 450 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: I think that's how the report goes, That's how the 451 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: film Poulter Geis goes. And UM, correct me if I'm wrong. 452 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: But maybe the bell witch, which leads us to another 453 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: interesting point that people have believes for centuries that certain 454 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: locations or places can be haunted. And that's kind of true. 455 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and not just not just places and a 456 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: single object like a trinket or I don't know, maybe 457 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: somebody's a jacket. Interesting, And we'll get right back to 458 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: that after a quick word from our sponsor. Stumbling towards 459 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: the bus stop after a late night Halloween party, Paul 460 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Cooper finds a pair of shoes. He's not sure where 461 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: the bus stop is. When he finds these shoots, He's 462 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: just sort of walking to where he thinks the stop 463 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: should be. He's going from memory, perhaps from a vague 464 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: optimistic belief that he can discover the bus stop with 465 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: nothing but the distant light of downtown skyscrapers to guide him, 466 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: the same way his ancestors crossed oceans following the stars. 467 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: The last stretch between ponds and iris is unlit. Careful 468 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: of the puddles flooding the curb, Paul shies away from 469 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: the street. The drizzle grows metastasizes. Haul runs beneath the 470 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: bridge spanning North Avenue, hoping to wait out the storm. 471 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: He's huddled against the concrete, hiding from the rain, cursing 472 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: softly at the car's sprain puddles onto the sidewalk as 473 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: they speed west. He leans against the concrete, wishing for 474 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: smoke or an uber, and he sees the shoes. They're 475 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: dark leather, something Italian. They're not new, but they seem 476 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: artfully warm, expensive, substantial. His shoes broken down paints matter, 477 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: Jordan's feel leaky and cheap. As he stares at the 478 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: dress shoes placed neatly against the concrete wall, heels back toes, 479 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: facing the street, all momentarily imagined some well dressed revolutionary 480 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: of by gone days, standing against the wall, fearlessly hiding 481 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: a last cigarette as he bids his executioners to steady themselves, 482 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: to remember there are men to shoot. The water seeping 483 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: into his Jordan's brings Paul back to reality. He regards 484 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: the dress, shoes and wonders should I. He's just drunk 485 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: enough to try them on, putting one foot in gingerly, 486 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: then the next they fit perfectly. The rain slows back 487 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: to a drizzle, and Paul stumbles into the night, is broken. 488 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: Jordan's discarded and forgotten as a passing car throws water 489 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: across their souls. Paul's beginning to worry he won't find 490 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: the stop. He's admitting he can't remember the exact location 491 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: of the bus stop. He's beginning to think he should 492 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: have called an uber before his phone died. When a 493 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: car pulls slowly beside him and honks the horn. The 494 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: window rolls down, revealing a woman Paul doesn't know. She 495 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: wears a long red scarf, one of those kinds. Paul's 496 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: mom calls an infinity. Hey, she says, get Paul thing, 497 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: she's pretty. Here's this? No way am I taking a 498 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: ride with this weirdo? And these thoughts come to him 499 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: all at once, tripping over one another, like strangers interrupting, 500 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: like runners in a crowded room. And he's just drunk 501 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: enough to hop in the car. I'm just headed to 502 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: the bus stop. The woman doesn't respond, just drives towards 503 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: the city in silence. She parks along then unfamiliar side 504 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: street and alley, almost in the heart of downtown. Where's 505 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: the bus stop? The woman doesn't answer. She hops out 506 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: of the car and Paul follows her. Are we near 507 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: a train station? The woman looks back over her shoulder. 508 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: She's heading toward peach tree, and Paul walks after her 509 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: into a bar. Woud Paul thinks out of that it 510 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: should be. The place is like one long hallway with 511 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: a pool table at the end. Most of the crowd 512 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: is in one sort of costume or another. Hey, says 513 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: a man at the bar, chewing on a toothpick. You 514 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: should watch our buddy Cooper A gonna be happy to 515 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: see you. Who the hell is Coop? Says Paul. The 516 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: man just turns back to the bar, staring at a 517 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: rerun of football on the staticky television. Paul's looking around 518 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: for the woman who took me here, he thinks, conducted me. 519 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: When another woman walks up to him, she hands in 520 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: an old fashioned You're a sight for sore eyes, Dave. 521 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: She's tall, with long hair and dark eyes. She looks 522 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: him up and down. Breath night. Do you know each other? 523 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: She raises an eyebrow, laughs, you always say that. The 524 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: tall woman leans close to Paul's face. Listen, what do 525 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: you say we are? You're cheating, bastard. What are you 526 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: doing in here? Paul turns just in time to raise 527 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: his hands in defense. The screaming man swings why, shattering 528 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: the old fashioned to the floor. Paul stumbles back, a dizzy, 529 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: heart racing, yells the tall woman. Paul's eyes race for 530 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: something to grab, a pool stick, a bottle, a chair. 531 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: No one in the bar moves to intervene. It is 532 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: as if he does not exist. Paul grabs the chair, 533 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: feeling like a lion tamer. He yells at the bar, 534 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: then to the man, who must be Coop. Look cute, 535 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't know you. You gotta calm down. The man 536 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: Coop draws a gun. Paul throws the chair, knocking Cooped 537 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: to the floor. He glances at the door and sees 538 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: the woman in the red scarf leaving. He chases her. 539 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: As they round a corner, he hears the bar door slam, 540 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: the sound of heavy boots in pursuit. Hey yells Paul, 541 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: who the hell are you help me? The lady in 542 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: the scarf turns as she opens the car door. I can't, 543 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: it's too late. A gunshot brings impossibly loud behind Paul, 544 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: and his vision explodes to red to white to black. 545 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,239 Speaker 1: Early the next morning, the medical examiner turns on an 546 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: audio recorder as he prepares to conduct the autopsy. Okay, 547 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: let's see what we got here. Unidentified mail, late twenties, 548 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: messy gunshot wound to the head from the rear, execution style. 549 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: What are those lately? Another day in Paradise, I guess. 550 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: The examiner pauses before continuing. He takes off one of 551 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: the corpse's shoes, then the other. He holds them up 552 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: to the light. Ralph furrowed watching the shine of the dark. 553 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: Hand made leather. Huh, he says you again, Giodorno's fine leather, 554 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: stay one step ahead. Gidorno's fine leather is not responsible 555 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: for any of the following possible side effect sussession, demonic possession, 556 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: grand theft, auto a facial convulsion, spring fever, compunction, consumption, 557 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: left handedness, hold your guys, activity, unexplained bounce of telekinesis, 558 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: phantom limb athletes foot LaDonna goes to the chiker's Jupicapa. 559 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: The phantom of the opera, irit Lame his rob ectoplasmic excretions, 560 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: Giodorno's Fine Leather, brought to you by Illumination Global Unlimited. Wow, guys, 561 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: that was not That was not great courses, you know 562 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: that was that was a pretty um you know, I 563 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: really feel like old Illumination Global Unlimited has been you know, 564 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: pumping a little more um, a little more Illuminati bucks 565 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: into those ads. Well, did it feel like an ad 566 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: to you? Guys? I felt like that was a story 567 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: and then it was an advertorial. I'm I don't know, 568 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: I'm a little scared. Well, I don't be scared. Don't 569 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: be scared. Okay, let's talk more about ghosts. Don't be 570 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: scared yet. Yeah, okay, let's talk about Let's talk about something. 571 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: Don't be scared yet, we say, as we're saying, let's 572 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: also talk about something frightening. Let's talk about famous ghost 573 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: investigations and hunters. There are, of course, the warr Ins 574 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: ed and Lorraine there that their investigations, and some people 575 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: in our crowd are going to get way overly emotional 576 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: and fury us about us referring to them as investigations. 577 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: Kind of their were not ours. It's fine, whatever you 578 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: wish to call them in your own time. Uh, we're 579 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: calling them investigations because they call them cases or investigations, 580 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: and they have been the basis for several films. You 581 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: might remember some, in my opinion, better than others. The Conjuring, 582 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: The Haunted, Amityville Horror, Haunting in Connecticut, Annabelle Haunting three, 583 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: the Haunting, A hunting in Connecticut to Haunting in Newark? 584 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: Wait what Hartford? The Hartford Haunt and they the stuff 585 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: that they remains a controversial legacy. There are people who 586 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: are completely completely convinced that the Warrens had a particular 587 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: skill with exorcising demons, right, but then there are other 588 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: people who believe at the warrants were essentially con artists. Yeah, 589 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: it's it's tough. It's it's a tough thing to prove, 590 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: but it's also a um, it's a tough thing to 591 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: even have a conversation about if you really believe in 592 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: any of this stuff. So I apologize to anyone who 593 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: really believes. We're not trying to just say that you're wrong. 594 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: We just want to find the avenue to the truth, right, 595 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: That's where that's what we're doing. Well, it's sort of 596 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: like proving or disproving someone's religion. You know, I mean 597 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: to believe pretty much impossible. You know, Yeah, they're not 598 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: gonna and and the frame of reference for having that 599 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: conversation means everything. You know, if they're trying to like 600 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: convert somebody to believing in ghost spiritual disturbances, believing that 601 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: you are a successful ghost hunter, if that person isn't 602 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: already on the same page as you, it's gonna be 603 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: pretty difficult. And they're also you know that there's more 604 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: than one type of ghost hunter. We should be completely 605 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: completely clear about that. There are people who believe that 606 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: they are encountering something through an inexplicable natural ability, like 607 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: a medium, the power of a medium, right, And there 608 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: are people who believe that the power of a religion 609 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: allows uh, the um the cleansing or the exorcism of 610 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: someone a priest, Yeah, like a priest, some unhelp helpful spirit. 611 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: And then you will also hear people say that you 612 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: should smudge a house or burnett with sage to purify it. Right. 613 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: But then there are people who rely more on the 614 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: technical side, and they say, let us see these drops 615 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: in temperature or see if there's anything odd on these cameras, right, uh. 616 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: And then there are people who go in entirely uh 617 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: to say this is this is wrong, this bs you 618 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: are either willfully ignorant or you are purposefully swindling um 619 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: yourself when people report it. Um. And then there are 620 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: people who are more in the I guess in the middle. 621 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: And that brings us to the here's where it gets 622 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: crazy part of the show, because they're they're various theories 623 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: explaining ghost sightings that are not necessarily You know, my 624 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: dead grandfather came back because he knows I stole his 625 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: Playboys true story. No, well the playboy part, dude, He's 626 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: just for the articles though, right, yeah, No, shel Silverstein 627 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: is published in there. It's pretty good. He has a 628 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: poem about meeting the devil. Actually I know that one. Yeah, 629 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Yea, what was it called? Sorry, I 630 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: just said that. I haven't thought about that. I'll have 631 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: to look back and tell you. But so, well, we'll 632 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: get back to that poem, we'll bring it up. Um. 633 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: But so some of these, let's get past some of 634 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: the easy ones, and people have heard before, like there's 635 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 1: a hallucination due to perhaps a physiological injury or mental instability. 636 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,439 Speaker 1: Um no, Matt and I alluded to that a little 637 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: bit earlier. We're listening possible causes. You could have things 638 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: like the struct their structural damage of some sort, or 639 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: just some unexplicable uh noises that are occurring, maybe from 640 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,479 Speaker 1: from pipes, let's say, or from the air conditioner making 641 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: noises don't be associated matha, she don't need the wind maybe, 642 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: or the raccoons in the attic twice but apples falling 643 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: from the tree. Get rid of raccoons in the attic 644 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: and then put on and sorry twice simply a bag 645 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: of hands dropping one by one on to the floor. 646 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: It was an acorn. Yes it was a different time, 647 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,959 Speaker 1: but that's absolutely true. It's very easy to misidentify things. 648 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: Can I before we get into the real need of this, 649 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: can I just tell you, guys one of my least 650 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: favorite horror movie tropes. Please thank you, because if you 651 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: said no, we would have just kept going. But I 652 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: despise it. And there's a haunted house situation, and there's 653 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: that one person who not only doesn't believe that the 654 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: house is haunted but has to be a prick about it. 655 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: That always bothers me because I feel like it's such 656 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: a metaphor for all these other unacknowledged problems that people 657 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: have or standard you know, like you're you're in a 658 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: relationship and you've got uh, your partner's best friend like 659 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: hates you, and you know it and it's obvious. You're like, hey, 660 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: your best friend hates me and we shouldn't hang out 661 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: with them. And then they're like, oh no, no, no, no, no, 662 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: you don't. You just don't get Daphne or whatever. No 663 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: offense to anybody whose name is Daphne. I just pulled 664 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: that out of the ether. Yeah, So that's that's just 665 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: the ramp, because you've probably had this happen at some 666 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: point in your life where you feel like you are 667 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: telling somebody something terrible is happening, something very bad is happening, 668 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: and they're going, man, you it's a it's a comment 669 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: on denial, I think, and you all go through different 670 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: versions of that throughout our lives. Uh well, I mean 671 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: usually in those films, the person who believes the most 672 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: is the person that's rewarded you. So do you think 673 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna work out with me and Daphne 674 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,919 Speaker 1: or hope. So, man, I think she's a nice girl, 675 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: says you. Well anyway, Okay, so I don't. I'm sorry 676 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: that we picked this stranger's name. Oh man, if your 677 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: name is Daphne, right, and I'll write back and apologize. 678 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: But we have one other explanation, and this is by 679 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: no means the only explanation. But we have one thing 680 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 1: that proves how a locale an area house, if you will, 681 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 1: can be haunted. And it's crazy. Yes, it's certainly unexpected, 682 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: I would say, And should we just hop right into it? 683 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: I think we should. So what if the ghosts that 684 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: you're seeing, or you thought you saw, or you thought 685 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: you heard, what if it was just a low frequency 686 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 1: vibration causing your mind and your eyes to play tricks 687 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: on your brain? See, that's a great question. I gotta say, 688 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: though I don't like the use of just because I 689 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: still think this is amazing and I don't think this 690 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: is like a debunking thing. Okay, yes, you're right. I 691 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: do not mean to downplay the coolness that the vibrations, 692 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,359 Speaker 1: that the effect is, the effect itself is very cool. Well, 693 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: I just I also don't Okay, I'm already used up 694 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,959 Speaker 1: my one soupbox for the show. But I am gonna 695 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: say I don't think that the existence of low frequency 696 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: vibrations or infrasound necessarily means that that is the only 697 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 1: thing at play. Sure, it's one explanation for a possibility, 698 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 1: or or what if what if the vibrations somehow hit 699 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: a resonant frequency in your brain that allows you to 700 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: receive different or what if ghosts cause vibrations? Yeah, I 701 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: don't know how it's let's roll it back just a 702 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: couple of notches here. So, so there's this paper by 703 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: a man named Vic Tandy who's a university lecturer at 704 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: Coventry University, and the title of the paper is the 705 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: Ghost in the Machine And I'll just give you a 706 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 1: little preview of it by reading the abstract. I think 707 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 1: this is a really nice job of kind of summing 708 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: up with this is about which I guess is the 709 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: abstract is supposed to do. So it's well done, sir uh. 710 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 1: In this paper we outline and as yet undocumented natural 711 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: cause for some cases of ostensible haunting. Using the first 712 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: author's own experience as an example, we show how a 713 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: nineteen hurts standing air wave may, under certain conditions create 714 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: sensory phenomena suggestive of a ghost. The mechanics and physiology 715 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: of this quote ghost in the machine in quote effect 716 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: is outlined. Spontaneous case researchers are encouraged to rule out 717 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: this stentional natural explanation for paranormal experience in future cases 718 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: of the haunting or poulter Geistick type, which I think 719 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: is very thoughtful thing to put there the abstract. It's 720 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: like he's saying, hey, we did the study that explained 721 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: this thing, So doing you a solid ghost hunters rule 722 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 1: this out when you're looking for actual paranormal phenomenon because 723 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,279 Speaker 1: this ain't that well. Yeah, because in the introduction of 724 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: that paper, it lists all the different things that a 725 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: quote unquote ghost hunter or someone who's trying to study 726 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: these things should, uh, first thing eliminated all of this, 727 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: eliminate every one of these. Here's a new one. Here's 728 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: what it's like. That's what this paper is. I just 729 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: think it's cool because this this this fellow is coming 730 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: at this from a very you know, research, scientific oriented place, 731 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: collaborative as well. But he's giving a nod. He's not 732 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: like being a jerk about you know, he's totally like saying, hey, 733 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that what you guys do is is bunk. 734 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: You know, in fact, use this research that we have 735 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: done to help further your efforts. And I thought, I 736 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: don't know, usually people that are coming from a very 737 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 1: um academic place tend to be a little more snooty 738 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: about things like that. So I just thought that was interesting. 739 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: It can it can happen. The the science behind it 740 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: is so compelling because it it uses also some research 741 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 1: from NASA. Okay, so, uh, let's who all right, as 742 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,280 Speaker 1: the mad Hatter said to somebody at the tea party, 743 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: will start at the beginning, go through the middle and 744 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: stop and and the three of us are pretty familiar 745 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: with this story, so we'll just pass the ball around. Uh. 746 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: And you might have heard this as well, audience members, 747 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: especially if you two are intrigued by the investigation of 748 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: the ghosts. This guy, Victandy, it wasn't always a university lecturer. 749 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, at one point in his 750 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: life he was working in a laboratory making a medical manufacturer, right. 751 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: And this laboratory, I just like seeing it that way, 752 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: had a reputation. It was haunted, Oh yeah, super haunted. 753 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: In fact, people were seeing things, feeling things, hearing things 754 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,399 Speaker 1: with no explanation. So let's talk a little bit about 755 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: the room. The rooms about ten ft wide by thirty 756 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: deep long, and their doors at one end getting a 757 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: picture like a garage, and then at the other end 758 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: there's uh some win there's some windows and there's like 759 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: a cleaning bay on the other side of those windows. 760 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: Vic Tandy not exactly a superstitious guy, you know what 761 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: I mean. Friday is just another day before Saturday to him, 762 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: and he notices, uh, this, this is pretty interesting. He's 763 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: also an I don't know if he's amateur, so uh, Vic, 764 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 1: if you're listening, don't get mad at us. But he 765 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,760 Speaker 1: has an interest in fencing, and he doesn't know what's 766 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: going on with his these reports this ghost. He knows 767 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: that he's had some uncomfortable feelings before where he's got 768 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: that uh what's that song? Always feel like he's watching me? Yeah, yeah, 769 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: he has that moment and m and frequently for skeptical person. 770 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: So he um, he's trying to explain what's going on. 771 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: It's like, could this really be a ghost man? That's crazy? 772 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: And he's got some coworkers that are a little more 773 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: sold on the idea that are bringing this damn and saying, hey, 774 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: this is legit. I've had these experiences and you know, 775 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: he can connect with them in a sense, which is 776 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: making him, you know, think about this, what could be 777 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,720 Speaker 1: the cause? What's the rational explanation? You know? For example, 778 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 1: I think there was a story where there was like 779 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: a hose or something that was moving around. They've got 780 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: like a cleaning hose, and he attributed to changes in 781 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: in pressure, you know, because this place is it's an 782 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: industrial type set up, so they've got some high pressure 783 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,359 Speaker 1: sure water and air systems in there. You know, there's 784 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: different things that can happen. Changes in pressure in the 785 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,839 Speaker 1: in the pipes, you know, can cause creaking sounds, you know, 786 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: expanding and contracting of metal, things like that. That's that, 787 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: that's where his mind is going. Absolutely. And so he 788 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: is using some lab equipment to ready one of his 789 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: fencing foils and the sorts, right, and that's when he 790 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: sees the foil itself just vibrating no discernible cause, well, 791 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense, right, Why would there be 792 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: some kind of air disruption causing the spoiler move, especially 793 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: when that you can't just readily sense yourself exactly. You 794 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: can't hear anything. I mean, what what's the answer? Ghosts 795 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: like cats? Do they just like the smack things? You know? Yes, 796 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: something a little bit different though right now. So with 797 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: this point, Vic Tandy is on the hunt for what 798 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: the heck is causing this vibration in his laboratory. Well, 799 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: and he finds that there is a you might have 800 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: to help me out with this. Spin it's a fan 801 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,919 Speaker 1: that's causing this, or an event a new Yeah, there's 802 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 1: there's a there's a fan fan duct, I believe, and 803 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: this duct is emitting a very low frequency sound and 804 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: then submitting it in what's called a standing wave. So 805 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: this is really cool. This is when well you can 806 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: you explain a standing wave? Yeah? Well, I mean this 807 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: in this case the wave. You know, sound is measured 808 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: in wave forms. If you've ever done any audio editing 809 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: or recording, you see um audio represented in a series 810 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,839 Speaker 1: of peaks and valleys. So it sort of looks like 811 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 1: almost like waves on the ocean. Honestly, there's peaks and 812 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 1: there's troughs um. But different items vibrate at different frequencies. 813 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: And so what was happening with the four I was 814 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: that this vent or. This fan was emitting a wave 815 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: that was the precise or very close to the precise 816 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: frequency resident frequency of the actual blade. So it's sort 817 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 1: of like if you had a piano string or a 818 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,279 Speaker 1: guitar string, for example, and you had another object or 819 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: item that was creating a vibration that was at the 820 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: same frequency as that string, it would cause the string 821 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 1: to vibrate in tandem with the other source. So that 822 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: was basically what was happening. And that's what's so strange 823 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: about that is that this is not a sound humans 824 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: can consciously here. Yeah, so low on the scale there 825 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: scale of hurts, but our our bodies can see. Our 826 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: bodies seemingly respond to it. By the way, I have 827 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: found of been doing some experimentation for the video for 828 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 1: this week, and you I think it's twenty around twenty 829 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,360 Speaker 1: one or twenty two hurts. You can hear it with 830 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: the Sindhiser's um at least if it's what I have found. 831 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,439 Speaker 1: You can kind of make it out. You can't hear 832 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 1: it necessarily, but you feel that something is happening with 833 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,720 Speaker 1: your headphones. It freaks me out. So what I'm gonna 834 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: do if you haven't already watched the video. There's gonna 835 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: be a twenty hurts just tone going throughout the entire episode, 836 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,399 Speaker 1: and I tested on some sub worffers. I don't think 837 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt anybody, but it should if there's any 838 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: truth to this, give you an eerie feeling while you're 839 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 1: watching it. You know, when the MythBusters did an episode 840 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: on this, uh, this frequency, they found that they had 841 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: um they had people saying that they had a sense 842 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,839 Speaker 1: of aneyase, you know, like a whole body feeling. So 843 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: that's what that's what we find because not only is 844 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 1: this eighteen twenty hurts um range that the fan was 845 00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: in resonant to that fencing foil, NASA found that this 846 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: is around the same resonant frequency of the human eye, 847 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: which could explain then how you might see smudges in 848 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: your vision shadow people. Yeah, you turn left really quickly 849 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,759 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Oh, who's that there was 850 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: someone standing there? Maybe there was, Maybe there was, but 851 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,719 Speaker 1: maybe there wasn't. The thing that it's interesting about this 852 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 1: is Tandy figures out there is a standing wave and 853 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: that's why it's concentrated more right in one place than another, 854 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,879 Speaker 1: and he gets uh, he gets one of the four 855 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: minute construction workers to replace the fan and then boom, 856 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: exorcism complete. This is the nicest lab I've ever been in. 857 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 1: I want to stay here all the time. So what 858 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: we learned from that is that there are places in 859 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: the world that may naturally be haunted, but not necessarily 860 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 1: by sentient identities, instead by sounds. And it really cool 861 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 1: and still creates the same feeling all being haunted. So 862 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,319 Speaker 1: it's almost like another It's almost in some ways it's 863 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: similar to a Turing test, you know, the haunted touring test. 864 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: Has it fooled you into thinking it's a ghost, then 865 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,320 Speaker 1: how can we distinguish it from a natural ghost? I 866 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: don't know? And that so in the Tandy case, they 867 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: did trace it to a particular fan, and they investigated 868 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: and once they turned the fan off, the standing way 869 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: disappeared and this feeling of unease dissipated. The second question 870 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: that they had still that was left unresolved, was why 871 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,399 Speaker 1: did this make people feel a certain way? Make people 872 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: feel uneasy? And they quote another bit of research that 873 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,880 Speaker 1: they discovered and trying to answer this um and they 874 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: cite it as a book by tempest Ni. I'm not 875 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,879 Speaker 1: sure what that means, but you can look it up 876 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: in the study Ghost in the Machine or the paper 877 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,280 Speaker 1: Ghost in the Machine is available online DF for free 878 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: for free so quote noise Consultants were asked to examine 879 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,839 Speaker 1: one of a group of bays and a factory where 880 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,400 Speaker 1: workers reported feeling uneasy. That bay had an oppressive feel 881 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: not present in the adjacent areas. Although the noise level 882 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: appeared the same. Management, workers and consultants were all aware 883 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: of the unusual atmosphere, and on investigation it was found 884 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 1: that low frequency sound was present at a slightly higher 885 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: level than in other bays. However, the actual frequency of 886 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,960 Speaker 1: the offending noise was not obvious. The cause of the 887 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,720 Speaker 1: noise was a fan in the air conditioning system. Workers 888 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,400 Speaker 1: in the University Radio Chemistry building experienced the same oppressive feeling, 889 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,800 Speaker 1: together with dizziness when the fan in a fume cupboard 890 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,759 Speaker 1: was switched on. Conventional soundproofing had reduced the audible sound 891 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: to the point where there was hardly any difference in 892 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: the noise when the fan was on as off. The 893 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: situation affected some people so much they refused to work 894 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: in the lab. It was concluded the low frequency component 895 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 1: of the sound was responsible, and that's a pretty good 896 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,200 Speaker 1: way for us to end it today. I think we 897 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 1: would like to hear some of your ghost stories listeners 898 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: and how you can kinnot explain them, because I have 899 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 1: a few, to be honest, in my personal life that 900 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: I still meant a loss to explain. I don't know 901 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: what happened. Well, I am jealous if yet to have 902 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 1: anything of the sort, and I'm actively looking for it. 903 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 1: So ghosts, I called to you, I called to you. 904 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: What what do I what? How do you do it? 905 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 1: I summoned me. I think I think it's like if 906 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,799 Speaker 1: you turn off the lights and say bloody Mary three 907 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 1: times in the mirror, you'll get dude. I tried that 908 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 1: so many times in elementary school and still never got 909 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 1: a drink. Gefty candy, man, get some candy. Tried that, 910 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,080 Speaker 1: tried it all man. I do want to apologize so 911 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,320 Speaker 1: that that quote that I read, I just looked in 912 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 1: the site and the sources in the paper and it's 913 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,879 Speaker 1: a someone named w. Tempest and now he's Havny six. 914 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 1: The book is called Infrasound and Low Frequency Vibration, Academic Press, London. 915 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 1: That makes me think too about the brown note and 916 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: the the alleged brown Note and the the non lethal name. 917 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,320 Speaker 1: By the way, DJ brown Note, you changed it, okay 918 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,160 Speaker 1: for the kids, all right. So this brings us to 919 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: these other ideas, the effects that low frequency sounds can 920 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,759 Speaker 1: have on the human mind. 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