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Speaker 1: tell me, Dan, why you got whoopings in kindergarten? Swats whoopings.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I don't know if I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it about so Ricky and I know, Uh,
Speaker 1: they asked me to sit Indian style, and I just
Speaker 1: didn't know what that was, and so everybody immediately sat down.
Speaker 1: Socially awkward situation. You're standing there. I'm an idiot, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and the teachers like you sit in in style,
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't go to the office. And then
Speaker 1: it was swats and I never looked. Really that was
Speaker 1: the first day, first day, first day of preschool. I
Speaker 1: got a wepened the first day of seventh grade. I mean,
Speaker 1: which what happened in seventh grade? I got blasted on
Speaker 1: the first day of school, first first day school. It's
Speaker 1: set the president for not only that year, rest of
Speaker 1: your life. Pretty well. And why did you get well, man,
Speaker 1: we went from desk. You know, you always had a
Speaker 1: desk to sit in, but in the size class they
Speaker 1: had a table there, so it was two folks to
Speaker 1: the table, and my buddy Greg Hayes was sitting with you.
Speaker 1: That was a mistake. You were not lying because he
Speaker 1: whispered I've ever tried in my life. I trust him
Speaker 1: with my life. But what happened was what it was
Speaker 1: was we were talking and the teacher, well, the teacher
Speaker 1: asked me, I can't remember now which one of us
Speaker 1: was talking that you can't quite recall. I assume it
Speaker 1: was Greg. Anyway, the teacher said, are y'all talking? And
Speaker 1: I mean immediately you would think he's saying, you know, stop, no, sir,
Speaker 1: He's like you told me alt, I go stead in
Speaker 1: the hall. I thought, wow, this is harsh. I'm fling
Speaker 1: to get set outside. Well I go outside, I'm standing
Speaker 1: on the wall. Well, this ain't too bad. And then
Speaker 1: he walks out with the paddle. This is got serious.
Speaker 1: First day, first day, he said, three days or three leaks.
Speaker 1: I said, give me three legs, and but three days
Speaker 1: or what of going home? Yeah, that's that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they I don't know what they did down where you're from,
Speaker 1: the same here. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff they
Speaker 1: did in Hatfield too, So I never I never got
Speaker 1: whoopings at school. I was sent to the principal's office
Speaker 1: one time for defending my friend Donald Myers. Donald somebody
Speaker 1: was jumping on Donald Myers and I saw it from
Speaker 1: a long ways away and it made me mad, and
Speaker 1: I went over. He was off with a guy and
Speaker 1: kind of wrestled with him. And the teacher saw this
Speaker 1: and she was like, go to the office, and so
Speaker 1: we went and stood by the office and I thought
Speaker 1: my life was over. The bell rang and the principal
Speaker 1: came out and was like, y'all go to class, and
Speaker 1: so I just took off. You know what. You know
Speaker 1: what I did though, I went and told Gary nucom
Speaker 1: something I want you to know. I was sent to
Speaker 1: the principal's office today. Number one. If that boy from
Speaker 1: kindergarten says, I cust this was first grade, so this
Speaker 1: was the next year. Get hey, welcome to the Burger srender.
Speaker 1: I have no conscience. Man, I'm very very excited about today.
Speaker 1: We have some one very special guest. Everybody else here
Speaker 1: has has been here multiple times. We're gonna we're gonna start.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go counterclockwise to my right, Brent Reeves, Man,
Speaker 1: good to see you just get back from bear camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that, talk about some bear camp
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. Isaac Neil and I feel
Speaker 1: like an old You're like an old hat. Now, Bender,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm working on just I'm going to move into
Speaker 1: your house if you got some spare rooms now, so
Speaker 1: pack defel next time. And yep, yep so so he
Speaker 1: was a bear camp too, Dan awesome to We're gonna
Speaker 1: save our mystery guests to the end, skipping over the
Speaker 1: mystery guest, Misty newcom Welcome Misty. I also was that
Speaker 1: bearcas Yes, I didn't get a bearca. Hey, listen, if
Speaker 1: I had more places to bear hunt, I would invite
Speaker 1: all of you. You know, I take it personally. And
Speaker 1: Misty's right. Daniel Rupe, Dr Dan Rupe, good to see
Speaker 1: you man happy here, Brent, do you mind giving us
Speaker 1: a audio tour of Daniel's attire. He's looking pretty sharp.
Speaker 1: Daniel's hair is parted in the middle. It's looked very
Speaker 1: erroal aero dynamic. His beard is full and I see
Speaker 1: no gray hair in there that from this. Oh a
Speaker 1: little patch, I see a little patch. But he's dressed
Speaker 1: in a blue plaid shirt with tie. He's got a
Speaker 1: ti tech. Is that a half windsor or a full windsor?
Speaker 1: That is uh, you want to go ahead? This is
Speaker 1: that's a glimpsing this right, there is a glimpse in
Speaker 1: the misty's laugh right here, miss telling the story. Here's
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, he's also got on blue jeans, some
Speaker 1: some kind of cowboy boots, and a belt buckled the
Speaker 1: size of a small child, some about old fort worth,
Speaker 1: old days, old fort days buckles from nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1: No way, that's the year that my birth first. No,
Speaker 1: I'm all the older. I've always been over taller and
Speaker 1: better looking. Oh man, wow, I was October eighteen. Everybody
Speaker 1: knows that. Dang it. I don't know how you don't.
Speaker 1: You just gave taller and better looking. I am slightly older.
Speaker 1: We voted, you know. I just want to plot Dan
Speaker 1: that the hairline is special. It's kind of feathered. And
Speaker 1: my kids know Uncle Dan best for being the guy
Speaker 1: who went a decade without brushing your hair. I still
Speaker 1: don't brush my hair. It just falls down now it does.
Speaker 1: It didn't for a long time. It went straight up
Speaker 1: for a long time. It was in my youth. That
Speaker 1: is extra Okay, now it's it's calmed down. Hey, Okay,
Speaker 1: our mystery guest sitting directly in front of me is
Speaker 1: my uncle Mike Schultz. Mike is an honor to have
Speaker 1: you here. I got it. I got to say hi
Speaker 1: to everybody, Mike every so, so I've got to give
Speaker 1: an introduction to Mike Schultz. Mike went with me. Number one.
Speaker 1: He's here because he went with me to Arizona three
Speaker 1: or four weeks ago, whenever it was when we went
Speaker 1: to meet Warner Glenn. So that's what we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about on this podcast. Is is Warner Glenn. So Mike
Speaker 1: went down there with me, and Mike Schultz was the
Speaker 1: one who had to have been close to twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: I mean when you first told me about your friend
Speaker 1: Jay Dussard, who had had photographed and had these friends
Speaker 1: who were the Glens and they were mountain lion hunters
Speaker 1: and his daughter hunted with him, and they had mules
Speaker 1: and they were You told me about them years and
Speaker 1: years ago and showed me photos of him, and I
Speaker 1: mean I just always thought, Wow, that's so cool, and uh,
Speaker 1: and then just this year it kind of all came
Speaker 1: together and you with me down there, and Mike is
Speaker 1: a to say, Mike, as a photographer anymore, it's pretty
Speaker 1: easy to be a photographer like I have occasionally said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a photographer, you know, because I have a nice
Speaker 1: camera and take photos and stuff. Mike Schultz has aside
Speaker 1: from his professional career, which he was a dentist, so
Speaker 1: he has a doctor as well. We can go him
Speaker 1: doctor Schultz. He did. He's dedicated his life to photography
Speaker 1: to a pretty big portion of his world. Mike tell
Speaker 1: us just a little bit about the type of photography
Speaker 1: you've focused on. Well, for the beginning of my career,
Speaker 1: it was pretty much landscape oriented, and I did that
Speaker 1: with large box cameras with big film holders and that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I did that for probably twenty five years,
Speaker 1: and then I started working professionally, mostly because I had
Speaker 1: an industry in interest in large industry. And then I
Speaker 1: started using smaller cameras and getting more interested in industry
Speaker 1: and what goes on in large industry like steel mills
Speaker 1: or foundries and that type of thing. And that's been
Speaker 1: the pretty much the focus of my work, uh since then,
Speaker 1: although I still do some landscape work as well, but
Speaker 1: most of it is is more centered around industry and
Speaker 1: the workers and the work that they do. Mike has
Speaker 1: traveled around the world. He got a Googgenheim. Right, do
Speaker 1: you know what that conditions are? You? Okay, you to
Speaker 1: put some barrel on Isaac. We're gonna say. Let me
Speaker 1: just interpret this for us Hillbillies. Guggenheim is like a
Speaker 1: massive honor and award in a in a how about
Speaker 1: you tell us what it is, Mike, Well, Guggenheim Fellowship
Speaker 1: is an award given through a competition that's held every
Speaker 1: year and throughout North America. It was started in the
Speaker 1: mid nineteen twenties, I believe by a senator by the
Speaker 1: name of Guggenheim who had a son who died at
Speaker 1: age fourteen, and in order to honor their son, they
Speaker 1: started this foundation. Now the name Guggenheim is Austin associated
Speaker 1: with the Guggenheim Museum in New York. Uh, same family,
Speaker 1: But the Guggenheim Fellowship is not is not really the
Speaker 1: Guggenheim Museum. It's it's a different branch of the family
Speaker 1: that started this. And they give awards in science, arts, performance, literature, composition,
Speaker 1: you name it. Uh, and that they give that all
Speaker 1: those awards everywhere. Give any kind of award to me
Speaker 1: and Brent, Yeah, I think it's I think there's such
Speaker 1: a uniqueness there. I think there's a very good like
Speaker 1: a category you know. I don't know, but you got
Speaker 1: this skuganut and which was basically they sponsored a an
Speaker 1: initiative that you did and you made your books, made
Speaker 1: a book. So you traveled the world and went to foundries,
Speaker 1: which I would have known what a foundry was. Do
Speaker 1: you know what a foundry is? Looking at everybody, he's
Speaker 1: a doctor. Everybody in here, but the doctor or something.
Speaker 1: You knew it, and he didn't. I could tell by
Speaker 1: his eyes. No, Mike, Mike has traveled the world going
Speaker 1: to foundries, which is where they basically cast huge molten,
Speaker 1: cast steele for huge parts and so like he has.
Speaker 1: It's just a it's like going into the underworld. I mean,
Speaker 1: visually you just can't comprehend the images. Have you ever
Speaker 1: been to a found I happen to own a book
Speaker 1: about this question. You've ever been to? Okay, Mike, Okay,
Speaker 1: back to Mike. Well, yeah, what's the name of the book.
Speaker 1: It's called Foundry Work. And there were actually two books done.
Speaker 1: It was a volume one in a volume two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're done, and they're amazing. I mean they people buy
Speaker 1: those books, Mike, Yeah, they can get them off my website.
Speaker 1: That's photography dot com. Hey, you can go to my
Speaker 1: instagram and see the couple of the photos that are
Speaker 1: on my instagram Mike took, you know, and they were
Speaker 1: just they weren't like artistic photos necessarily, they were just
Speaker 1: me and j and I put one of me and
Speaker 1: Warner up. Did you say how to get to your
Speaker 1: website Michael Schut's photography dot com. I want to get
Speaker 1: that book, you guys know, I like I like good introductions.
Speaker 1: We spend like thirty minutes doing introductions. I got to
Speaker 1: say this about Mike because I don't know when Micha
Speaker 1: will be back on the render um judging about what's
Speaker 1: going on already. And if I let's just say I
Speaker 1: had five fingers on one hand, hypothetically, hypothetically, Mike Schultz
Speaker 1: would be top five most influential the hand Well, I
Speaker 1: mean you could have just said top five you just
Speaker 1: started with. It is a podcast. No one can see
Speaker 1: what you're I'm just holding up my hand for drama. Okay, listen, Okay,
Speaker 1: the pinky is Dan Rude, the smallest feer. Know. I
Speaker 1: gotta know Mike, and we have I view. Mike is
Speaker 1: like He's my uncle, and so I look up to him.
Speaker 1: But I would say our relationship is not as much
Speaker 1: like uncle nephew. It's more like friends. That's the way
Speaker 1: I view it. And we've run around together pretty a
Speaker 1: lot in the last twenty years. Man, I was trying
Speaker 1: to tell us Isaac earlier today. By nature there I
Speaker 1: would be unorganized mismanaged much more than Okay, Mike. The
Speaker 1: precision inside of Mike Schultz life has dramatically altered who
Speaker 1: I am today. If you dramatically altered thank you. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: total chaos would have been unleased on the world years ago. Joking,
Speaker 1: I'm not three years ago. Listen to what I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: Three years ago, we rolled up in here early one morning.
Speaker 1: We were getting on a flight three hours later going
Speaker 1: to Saskatchewan. Clay says, man, I got to pack. I've
Speaker 1: been packed for three weeks and I'm unorganized. But he's
Speaker 1: that morning, Man, I gotta get my stuff together, Dude,
Speaker 1: I'd been busy, Brent, for real, Mike, this is just
Speaker 1: Mike is also a master woodworker. He makes some of
Speaker 1: the finest furniture you've ever seen. Anything Mike does, he
Speaker 1: puts precision into it. And that has impacted me. And
Speaker 1: I think it's important that you know the people that
Speaker 1: you're around. I've learned to be impactable, to see character
Speaker 1: traits inside of people, recognize your own deficiency and be like,
Speaker 1: I want to be more like that, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get back to Mike when we talk
Speaker 1: about meat and Morner Glenn. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: bear Camp though. So we just last week we had
Speaker 1: the kind of Newcomb family and friends bear Camp. Almost
Speaker 1: all the friends, almost all the friends we I wish
Speaker 1: Bear Newcomb could be here, he could tell his story,
Speaker 1: but tell him, give us a give us an overview
Speaker 1: brand of the of our weekend. Well, I mean we
Speaker 1: get there on the day before it opens up. My
Speaker 1: well as you y'all got there a couple of days early.
Speaker 1: I got there on Friday. Well, James and I go around.
Speaker 1: We checked baits. You guys are checking baits James Lawrence.
Speaker 1: James Lawrence, who was on episode number two of the
Speaker 1: Bargars podcast, did a bio on him. Not a daylight
Speaker 1: picture anywhere out of the four baits that James and
Speaker 1: I were looking at. So it was just a coin
Speaker 1: flip where we're gonna go, and jameson's where you want
Speaker 1: to go, And I'm like, I told him the spot
Speaker 1: I wanted. I told Clay the same thing, said, I
Speaker 1: just you know, it's an old stand by spot. River
Speaker 1: killed her first bear there, Shepherd killed Shephard killed his
Speaker 1: first bear there. I know, James just killed three bears there.
Speaker 1: But but all of that, you know, had shooter. Bears
Speaker 1: are gone. It's not during just not during the day.
Speaker 1: So me and Isaac rolling there. So okay, Isaac was
Speaker 1: there because Isaac we filmed this whole thing. Dan, even
Speaker 1: though you weren't there, you'd be able to feel like
Speaker 1: you were there. Yeah, because if you have five fingers
Speaker 1: on the hand, you would have been the six fingers
Speaker 1: if I had six six. That's so Isaac was there
Speaker 1: because he was he was helping film he and Dave
Speaker 1: Gardner for a film that's gonna come out for the
Speaker 1: Meat Eat YouTube channel at some point in the future.
Speaker 1: So Isaac was filming. That's why Isaac was there. Carry on,
Speaker 1: It started off great, man, we get we just said
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. That's where we're gonna go. So you
Speaker 1: guys have gone to a different spot, and they left earlier.
Speaker 1: I stayed back. They get help sheep get to his spot,
Speaker 1: help miss to get to their spot. Your you missed,
Speaker 1: we missed the whole day. He's telling his bear camp. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is okay. And my youngest son came in, so James,
Speaker 1: Brent play, Isaac Dave Gardner, and then Misty and Shepherd came.
Speaker 1: And then on that first Friday night, my mom and
Speaker 1: dad came. Ju was there, Gary was there. We so
Speaker 1: we had a big shindig. Everybody everybody drinking wed coffee
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day when we're at Gerald made
Speaker 1: gallon barrel and sit it right on the pot, right
Speaker 1: on the fire, so there was there was coffee enough
Speaker 1: for everybody. It was it that may have been an exaggeration.
Speaker 1: We would come in at like midnight and he'd be like,
Speaker 1: I put the coffee on, coffee is hot, still made
Speaker 1: it fresh from about eleven. Yeah it was good. Good
Speaker 1: stut we'd hit it hard. Yeah, So okay, So that
Speaker 1: was the first night, which was kind of like everybody
Speaker 1: came in and so we're standing at a place. We're
Speaker 1: not camping, we're staying at a cabin. So then what
Speaker 1: happened the next day Brent, okay, so you can tell
Speaker 1: about your hunting now. Now here we go. So we
Speaker 1: get everybody sit on the stand, Isaac can I do?
Speaker 1: And then we take off for our spot. I gets
Speaker 1: it's like nine miles as a crow fly us from
Speaker 1: where we are. But you know, and when you go
Speaker 1: on the mountains in the mountains, yeah, fourteen back and
Speaker 1: forth and left and right and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And we get almost there and I look very frantically
Speaker 1: in the back seat of the truck, and now I
Speaker 1: look back at Isaing and I think, man, we gotta
Speaker 1: go back to the camp because I forgot my bow.
Speaker 1: So he's like, it's gonna be a problem. I like,
Speaker 1: if we don't go back and get it, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a real big problem. It turns out he was right.
Speaker 1: So we go back. We go all way back to camp,
Speaker 1: get it. We'll get on the stand, which we were
Speaker 1: are target time to get there was three. We were
Speaker 1: in our late we got there for delay. We were
Speaker 1: set at I think four twelve. We were set. Hey,
Speaker 1: you had the cameras everything set up ready to roll.
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, man, I know you haven't
Speaker 1: ever said on one of these bear baits, I said,
Speaker 1: but you know, you talk about the golden hour of
Speaker 1: deer hunt. I said, we're going to have the golden
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes if we're lucky before dark. You know that's
Speaker 1: it's just the way it is. They're gonna come in.
Speaker 1: We may see him out there, we may hear him,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna hang around. And you know it dark,
Speaker 1: especially we've got no daylight pictures. Five minutes to six,
Speaker 1: I'll look over to my left, and short enough, here
Speaker 1: comes a bear. And I miked up. I tell, I
Speaker 1: tell Eliazac, you know here you can I see a
Speaker 1: bear coming. And and we hadn't had a daylight picture
Speaker 1: there in a long time, and over a week, so
Speaker 1: it's yes, like what are you doing here? Yeah? Exactly,
Speaker 1: you know. I was more, did you ever think about
Speaker 1: just shooting it off? That thought never entered my mind?
Speaker 1: You're in the wrong place, Yeah, you're you're early. But anyway,
Speaker 1: good bear walks up, good shooter bear and walks behind
Speaker 1: and and he's behind the barrel and and and looks
Speaker 1: directly up there at us, and I thought, well, this
Speaker 1: is it. So but I had already come to full draw.
Speaker 1: Bear takes a turn, I watched the video. You you
Speaker 1: about jerked the back out of that bow when you
Speaker 1: hit your when you hit your your when I when
Speaker 1: I pulled back, when when I were trying to pull
Speaker 1: it back while the bears right. So you're just like
Speaker 1: as soon as as soon as I as I disappeared,
Speaker 1: I pulled it back. So when he come out and
Speaker 1: he's looking at me, I got it right between his eyes.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know you're gonna one way or the
Speaker 1: other if I get a shot, you know, I'm I'm ready.
Speaker 1: And they did. He did that old thing you know
Speaker 1: where they just kind of start doing to move slow
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they just they're gone. But
Speaker 1: when he turned to the left, back to the left,
Speaker 1: or the bear turned back to the left, and I
Speaker 1: had a good quarter and shot. I turned to loose.
Speaker 1: I saw it come out the front and two or
Speaker 1: three jumps and just we watched him walk away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was what was odd, is suston spar It's what
Speaker 1: seems to be like a tin ring shot and the
Speaker 1: bear text a couple of leaps and then just start
Speaker 1: just walks off, which is not I wouldn't say that's common. No,
Speaker 1: it was nothing. The other two bears that I've shot,
Speaker 1: like that that I've taken. When I shot him, man,
Speaker 1: there it was like that you lit a fuse. They
Speaker 1: were gone and and both of them died within gosh,
Speaker 1: forty yards. I guess where I was at this. We're
Speaker 1: going backwards here. But the first bear you killed, I
Speaker 1: was with you, and it ran like a racehorse about
Speaker 1: twenty yards, tumbled down a very steep hill and splashed
Speaker 1: into a creek. Do you remember that? Oh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was there absolutely vividly. The next year, which or the
Speaker 1: next bear I killed, which was last year, that bear
Speaker 1: was standing in the same tracks and ran the same
Speaker 1: place but got hung up. But they were both dead
Speaker 1: once they hit the edge of the woods, this one.
Speaker 1: And I felt good about the shot. I mean, it
Speaker 1: surprised me when it went off. It was the hair
Speaker 1: I was looking at. That knock covered it up. When
Speaker 1: it went through. The bear took four or five good jumps,
Speaker 1: so way I remember it. I hadn't seen the footage.
Speaker 1: And then he just walked off and I just turned
Speaker 1: out looking Isaac. You know, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: You stared at that bear for twenty minutes. Yeah, probably
Speaker 1: need to tell the rest of this because I had
Speaker 1: no sense. I felt like an eternity. You just watched
Speaker 1: where that bear disappeared for like probably three and a
Speaker 1: half minutes. Yeah, I mean there's a lot that went on.
Speaker 1: Hours later we come back because y'all had to come
Speaker 1: back to camp. We came all the way off from
Speaker 1: where we got back to camp. We got a problem
Speaker 1: where we're at no very little cell coverage. So like,
Speaker 1: somebody does something, you gotta go talk to him. You
Speaker 1: gotta do it old school. Well, actually the thing is
Speaker 1: Clay was going to invite you, but we got down
Speaker 1: there next year six fingers, and so we go track
Speaker 1: this bear. Who wants a six finger nobody apparently, So
Speaker 1: we go track this bear and the bear starts running
Speaker 1: up a hill and that's that. That's where we left
Speaker 1: it off. Yeah, they attracted a little bit. The bear
Speaker 1: ran probably fifteen yards up a very steep hill, which
Speaker 1: when when I got on the blood trail, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's not a good sign. But it immediately turned back
Speaker 1: down and the bear only went how far A hundred yards? No,
Speaker 1: he didn't go that far. I'd say about eighty yards
Speaker 1: from a straight line. Yeah. Yeah, And so man, the
Speaker 1: first first day of bear season, we got a really
Speaker 1: nice bear on the ground. I would say, if I
Speaker 1: was just being totally honest, wasn't If you weren't here
Speaker 1: and someone said, Clay, tell me really how much Brent
Speaker 1: bear Wade, I would say to seventy, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a heck of a It was seventy extremely, extremely
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. If Brent were here, though.
Speaker 1: The whole article on this one time about the reality
Speaker 1: of bear weights functionally inside a bear camp, because when
Speaker 1: you're when a bear is there in the back of
Speaker 1: the truck and the guy you know, you're you're in
Speaker 1: the heat of the mole. I mean, you're pumped. This
Speaker 1: is what you wait all year for. And your good
Speaker 1: buddy has killed this bear, and he goes, man, how
Speaker 1: much you think that thing weighs? I gay wrong to you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna add thirty five to forty pounds. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna do the math in your head. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: calculate it, but you're gonna say a number that's instinctively
Speaker 1: bigger than it actually is. I've only killed one bear,
Speaker 1: and I think they told me it was to five.
Speaker 1: But if you're telling me that one maybe I want
Speaker 1: to actually this is a different type of bear. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Bear wits are house very very commonly overestimated by minimum.
Speaker 1: They're hard, they're hard, they're very hard to judge. And
Speaker 1: we've weighed enough of them now that you know, we
Speaker 1: kind of get a feel. But sometimes you can't wait
Speaker 1: like we did. We weren't able to weigh your bear,
Speaker 1: and then the bear the next day that I would kill.
Speaker 1: I hate to spill the beans that quickly kill the
Speaker 1: bear the next day, and uh, I would have it was.
Speaker 1: I estimated my bear to weigh three hundred plus or
Speaker 1: minus twenty pounds. That was what I was what I well,
Speaker 1: that was that was just clay by himself, not in
Speaker 1: front of the truck. So his calculation. If I had
Speaker 1: asked Brent, Brent would have said, all that bear ways
Speaker 1: three fifty. Well, Brent, I saw both bears. No, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have seen my No, you did not bear camps,
Speaker 1: bear camp all. Misty cares about his bear fat literally right,
Speaker 1: bear fat and and other things and meat. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: went through. Misty was mad at me last year. I
Speaker 1: was has there been a year where she hasn't been
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, last year Clay took a lot of
Speaker 1: people we won't call names hunting definitely not man, we
Speaker 1: start tell me about that year he was getting snippy.
Speaker 1: Let's start the podcast by making fun of his outfit
Speaker 1: and the only talk about things he wasn't everything's fine,
Speaker 1: everything's fine, fine, And so he didn't. You know, other
Speaker 1: people got the meat and they got the grease. And
Speaker 1: I mean we had a lot of time to cook
Speaker 1: last year. I had both girls home and we wanted
Speaker 1: to do and it was no bacon and home. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't bring home the bacon. He did not, not
Speaker 1: literally figurus, it was a good year. And then he
Speaker 1: goes hunting in the spring and that bear had I
Speaker 1: mean he took a picture of them holding up the
Speaker 1: little tiny sliver of fat that yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was there was nothing on it. So I've been killed
Speaker 1: that I was in on this spring which I didn't
Speaker 1: pull the tree literally, I took a video of the
Speaker 1: amount of fact we pulled off of that bear, very
Speaker 1: small amount of You know, a spring bear up in
Speaker 1: Montana is not going to have that much fat. A
Speaker 1: lot of the bears are going keto now, yes they do.
Speaker 1: Up there. A lot of proaches. You're still miss an
Speaker 1: important part of that of that day, of that kill
Speaker 1: of my bear. What's that between Isaac, Dave, you and me?
Speaker 1: Millions of views millions literally millions of views video and
Speaker 1: photo between the four whelds, and we didn't take one
Speaker 1: picture to me with my bear. You had two professional
Speaker 1: photographers and one photographer, and we didn't get a single
Speaker 1: picture of your bear. You should have had one more person, Daniel,
Speaker 1: will you be my take my phone? It's it's overlooked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to have a great video. Though.
Speaker 1: I never thought about it until you said, Hey, we
Speaker 1: didn't take any picture, I mean your bear. We had
Speaker 1: skimmed it. It was in an ice chest, and I
Speaker 1: was like, didn't you picture? We actually did it hard.
Speaker 1: I think that's a part of the story that's very,
Speaker 1: I mean, incredibly valuable. I did not know where we
Speaker 1: hunted had a drop off box, like you know, you
Speaker 1: go in the nineties, you would you would drop off
Speaker 1: your your video Blockbuster. Yeah, exactly exactly, and you leave
Speaker 1: in the overnight drop box. You go the post office
Speaker 1: today and you've got a letter you want to mail off,
Speaker 1: you put it where we were. They have an overnight
Speaker 1: bare box a cooler that you just drop your stuff off.
Speaker 1: Kind of crazy. I was go get it tomorrow. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we had great. We had a great
Speaker 1: Bearca was great and uh, Isaac, what hey, real quick?
Speaker 1: What was your perception of the whole thing. You've never
Speaker 1: been to our camp or anything? Oh incredible. Uh the
Speaker 1: hunting was great. Saturday, Britt got a bear. Sunday, you
Speaker 1: got a bear Monday. Monday. You gotta tell that story.
Speaker 1: An him on. I thought about bringing him on, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Wait, wait, wait, the most manly person
Speaker 1: in bear camp wasn't in bear camp and was Clay's
Speaker 1: fifteen year old time. Every what he did was every
Speaker 1: everyone was just like incredible. So four years ago we
Speaker 1: bear Nukem was in line to start bear hunting. You know,
Speaker 1: River killed a bear first and bear was in line
Speaker 1: to bear hunt. And we hunt over bait. We love
Speaker 1: hunting over bait. That's the way we hunt. I could
Speaker 1: tell you you know. The other way that I love
Speaker 1: to hunt, which I love even more than hunting over bait,
Speaker 1: is hunting him in national forest like deer, which is
Speaker 1: I believe the toughest hunt around, toughest hunt I know
Speaker 1: of in this part of the country, just because the
Speaker 1: low bear densities, the wide geographic home range that bears have.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can walk around the woods for years
Speaker 1: and not see a bear in good bear country. It's tough.
Speaker 1: And so I saw some fire in Bear's eyes when
Speaker 1: he was about ten eleven years old, and I just said, Bear,
Speaker 1: you ought to You got to think about this, and
Speaker 1: I knew it had to be his decision. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna mandate this, but I planted in his mind the
Speaker 1: idea of not killing a bear overbait and killing the
Speaker 1: one in the national forest, which I knew was gonna
Speaker 1: be very hard, and mainly because his brother and sisters
Speaker 1: were killing bear and kind of getting attention for it
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But Bear like the idea of it, and
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, that's what I want to do Dad.
Speaker 1: And he had he had a moment of weakness one
Speaker 1: day when he was I think twelve, and James Lawrence
Speaker 1: didn't know that we had this little deal going, and
Speaker 1: I was gone, and James said, hey, Bear, why don't
Speaker 1: you come hunting with me? And so Bear was like okay,
Speaker 1: And so Bear took his bowl and actually actually clipped
Speaker 1: a bear, so he shot at a bear over bait
Speaker 1: out there, but we never found it. And then Bear
Speaker 1: came back and was and I mean it was totally fine,
Speaker 1: but he was like, hey, Dad, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna hunt over bait again. And he just didn't have
Speaker 1: the tack at that age to be like Mr James, No,
Speaker 1: actually I don't hunt over I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so, but so for the last several years
Speaker 1: we've hunted in National Forest and tried to get him
Speaker 1: a bear. And years ago, years ago, I said, Bear,
Speaker 1: And this was before we made this deal. I told Bear,
Speaker 1: I said, one day, I'm gonna drop you off and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a pack and some freeze dried
Speaker 1: meals and i'm gonna send you off and i'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick you up three days later and let you camp
Speaker 1: all by yourself. And this is when he was just
Speaker 1: a little boy, and I remember his eyes lightening up
Speaker 1: and just thinking how cool that would be. And that's
Speaker 1: what we did this year. It was time, you know,
Speaker 1: back in the summer, I said, Bear, you need to
Speaker 1: hunt the first three days of season and and so
Speaker 1: we're having this big bear camp which our bear camp
Speaker 1: is just a ton of fun. I mean we eat
Speaker 1: great food, we sit around the fire. I mean it's
Speaker 1: a lot of work. We were baiting bears. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had lots of fruit bars and different things. We we Uh,
Speaker 1: it's camaraderie, it's fun. We don't hunt the mornings pretty much,
Speaker 1: just hunt the evening. So you know we're sleeping in
Speaker 1: a little bit in the morning, sitting around drinking coffee,
Speaker 1: just having a good time. Well, the night before season,
Speaker 1: all of us drive over and dump Bear out in
Speaker 1: the woods and he's got his pack and his bow,
Speaker 1: and he's got a he's got a tethered tree saddle
Speaker 1: which is a way for him to get up in
Speaker 1: a tree, had some sticks, and he's got an in
Speaker 1: reach and parts of his hunt he'll be in cell range.
Speaker 1: And so the whole weekend we're just like we're back
Speaker 1: living in luxury and bar nuclems out you know, roughing
Speaker 1: it out in the out in the woods by himself.
Speaker 1: And um, it was so cool because the whole I mean,
Speaker 1: there wasn't probably a five hour stretch of time when
Speaker 1: somebody didn't say something about bear being out there. You know,
Speaker 1: what did anybody get an update, is in bad hurting thing?
Speaker 1: Is he seen anything? Well, on the second day, he
Speaker 1: saw a soal with cubs, which was a big deal.
Speaker 1: He you know, he messaged me, Dan, I just saw
Speaker 1: a south cubs and you can't you can't shoot a
Speaker 1: sou with cubs. And it was within eight yards of him,
Speaker 1: just walked right under him, and so big win. Like
Speaker 1: I thought, there's our win. And he is not just hunting.
Speaker 1: He he had a game plan. What he did is
Speaker 1: he he hunted out from his camp for the first
Speaker 1: two hours the morning and still hunting, just moving along,
Speaker 1: slipping in through the wind. And then by ten o'clock
Speaker 1: he would be hunting in his tree stand, which was
Speaker 1: over bear sign, which where we knew some bears were
Speaker 1: moving through on natural food essentially okay, And he said
Speaker 1: in that stand from ten am till six am for
Speaker 1: three days, eight hours hanging in that saddle and ten
Speaker 1: am to six pm, so eight hours. And um, he
Speaker 1: on the second day he saw bears and and there's
Speaker 1: a Dave Gardner took a photo of my phone because
Speaker 1: Dave and I were hunting when I messaged Bear and said, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll come get you tonight. This is on day two.
Speaker 1: So he's been out there now two full nights and
Speaker 1: three days. The way it worked out, parts of three days.
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, if you want to come to
Speaker 1: bear camp, we'll come pick you up tonight. Meet us,
Speaker 1: meet us, you know, down the road. And I kind
Speaker 1: of I was trying to give him my way out
Speaker 1: and I didn't want him just to be and he said,
Speaker 1: I've got the message. He said, nope, no staying. I
Speaker 1: got to kill a bear. So he stayed. And the
Speaker 1: next day we had already killed bears. We were rendering
Speaker 1: bear fat. We had no more than filled the last
Speaker 1: jar of bear fat, the last we're working on the
Speaker 1: last batch of bear grease. And I see the little
Speaker 1: green button beeping on my inn. Reach. We had sort
Speaker 1: of mentally like, all right, finished the bear grease. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go get some shots for the film, get a
Speaker 1: sunset shot, whatever. Like we were winding back to civilization.
Speaker 1: Green light on the end, Reach, green light on the end. Reach.
Speaker 1: I go to it and it just says I killed
Speaker 1: a bear, and we just flipped out. We really did.
Speaker 1: It was probably I can't ever remember personally being more expressive.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, we just like I was just like
Speaker 1: man your eyes like cartoon eyeballs messaged him back and
Speaker 1: I said, we're on our way. It took us three
Speaker 1: hours to get to him. By the time we got there,
Speaker 1: and me and Dave and and Uh and Isaac went
Speaker 1: up to him. Brent went and got Ice with my
Speaker 1: dad cat here. So Shephard and I had left Bear camp.
Speaker 1: We were trying to get home before dark because we
Speaker 1: weren't staying over right. And so as soon as I
Speaker 1: get into cell range, my phone's going off because Bear
Speaker 1: we have a family text thread, and Bear send a
Speaker 1: message to the text thread, and so his sisters were
Speaker 1: the only ones in cell range, but they were in
Speaker 1: different states, and so they he they're all talking, and
Speaker 1: I see the conversation, and I see all the you know,
Speaker 1: the newcom thread is popping up, and so Shepherd and
Speaker 1: I look and I pull over and there's a construction
Speaker 1: area and I pull over. And I was afraid they
Speaker 1: were going to go be in the out of cell
Speaker 1: range all night long and not see not see the message,
Speaker 1: because it is sometimes difficult to get those in reach messages,
Speaker 1: and and especially where we're at because there's a real
Speaker 1: thick campy. So I turned my car around and I
Speaker 1: told Shepherd later on, I have no recollection of going
Speaker 1: through the construction zone. I don't know how. And Shepherd said,
Speaker 1: you did. You were safe, he said, but I I
Speaker 1: it was orange and so we But it was real
Speaker 1: sweet because the girls are bear it's not probably the
Speaker 1: most expressive of the newcombs. And they were taking pictures
Speaker 1: of him on FaceTime and because his face was like glowing,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really sweet, and they he had
Speaker 1: to skin the bear by himself, and they he didn't
Speaker 1: know how to turn taken up. Oddly, where the bear ran,
Speaker 1: he had like better sell coverage than we have right
Speaker 1: here where he was hunting, he did not as well.
Speaker 1: But when it went anyway, so he facetimed his sister
Speaker 1: and she she was able to get a picture of
Speaker 1: the bear before he skinned it via FaceTime. It was
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, so that was neat and we
Speaker 1: went and got him. And then when when he came
Speaker 1: off the mountain, there was a whole crew of people
Speaker 1: waiting my dad and mom and um who else misty ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and anyway, they had drinks for him and
Speaker 1: food and it was a big deal. It was awesome,
Speaker 1: My man, he slept on the ground no pad, which
Speaker 1: was just rocks. It looked like grass until you laid down,
Speaker 1: and then his pillow was a stuff sack full of grass.
Speaker 1: He ate one free stride meal a day. Is that
Speaker 1: what he said? And he said, and Dave, I think,
Speaker 1: asked him like, did you get scared? He's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's this time when I was eating dinner, skunk came along.
Speaker 1: I thought, that thing's praised me. My hunt's over. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's that's because ye skunk. Yeah, you know that title
Speaker 1: for that hunt it should be Brave Heart. Oh yeah, really,
Speaker 1: you know, it really shows a lot of bravery and
Speaker 1: dedication to a plan, which is unusual. Yeah. No, I
Speaker 1: was really proud of him. Yeah, anybody everybody was still
Speaker 1: am well speaking of one of the best hunters, speaking
Speaker 1: of the topics at hand, Warner Glenn and who who Mike?
Speaker 1: You listen to the podcast? What do you think you
Speaker 1: were there? I was there. It really brought back memories
Speaker 1: and just feelings I had when I was there. I
Speaker 1: thought it was extremely well crafted and put together and
Speaker 1: condensed because it covered you know, we were there a
Speaker 1: total of maybe a day. We were there a short
Speaker 1: time or time, lots of we gathered probably three four
Speaker 1: hours ago audio. A lot of stuff happened, and they're
Speaker 1: very busy people running that ranch. They were extremely gracious
Speaker 1: with how much time they gave and uh, and it
Speaker 1: happened quick. It was. The podcast is excellent and the
Speaker 1: feedback that I've had from my friends and from especially
Speaker 1: Ja Dussard, who is in the podcast, Jake said quote
Speaker 1: it was fabulous and he's known Warner for over sixty years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always like it. I'm trying to make a point
Speaker 1: when I interviewed some of these older people to ask
Speaker 1: him where they were when John F. Kennedy died, Because
Speaker 1: do you remember the other guy, Britt Davis, who's ninety
Speaker 1: in the Appalachian Mountain podcast. I asked about where he
Speaker 1: was because it's it really is. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: just a sampling of time. And Mr Britt was driving
Speaker 1: a road greater. Really, Yeah, he was driving a road greater.
Speaker 1: And you know what, he worked most of his life.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he did. Mr Warner, Glen, you
Speaker 1: asked him where he was at when John F. Kennedy died.
Speaker 1: He was on a mule hunting lions in the desert
Speaker 1: and that's what he has done a lot of his life.
Speaker 1: What was so unique is that Jay Dussard had the
Speaker 1: skull and it just didn't pencil. It said November twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. And then I said Jay had an
Speaker 1: impact you when Jeff k died. He said, well, it
Speaker 1: mainly just reminded me that I voted. What do you think? Dan?
Speaker 1: You know, I think for some reason one of the
Speaker 1: things that sticks out to me is when his daughter
Speaker 1: was just talking about the way that she almost like intergenerationally,
Speaker 1: the way she kind of shows him respect and like
Speaker 1: she said, I asked him questions that I know the
Speaker 1: answer to, and I just I mean, I want a
Speaker 1: rare kind of glimpse into their family dynamic and how
Speaker 1: they treat one another and respect and and honestly, after
Speaker 1: the podcast, I called my mom. I thought, I want
Speaker 1: to I want to interact like that, and I want to.
Speaker 1: I just really I really enjoyed kind of the intergeneration.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that really got to me
Speaker 1: um was when she she was there, they're both talking
Speaker 1: about the one dog that's older, Hook, Hook, and when
Speaker 1: she was describing Hook and that was like a metaphor
Speaker 1: for her dad and kind of watching him do the
Speaker 1: end of his life but continue to model and be
Speaker 1: a type that everyone can something that was fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the way she described it when she said quietly going
Speaker 1: on that was that you could have I don't know
Speaker 1: if that whole podcast or that man the image I
Speaker 1: had of him after listening to that, if that wasn't
Speaker 1: the most fitting description of the stuff that he does
Speaker 1: and what he represents out there quietly going only, it
Speaker 1: was really powerful for me to listen to that. What
Speaker 1: did you think? Well, it was just it reminded me
Speaker 1: of a lot of people that you know, my grandfather
Speaker 1: and you know people that I've known and and read
Speaker 1: about and heard about. You referenced Daniel Boone in that thing.
Speaker 1: A lot of that stuff came came back in my
Speaker 1: head about how he was, how humble Mr Glenn is
Speaker 1: and you know, to him the stuff that he was
Speaker 1: doing like Boone, it was I'm not doing this for
Speaker 1: glory or if this is just something needs to be done,
Speaker 1: and this this is what I do. This is where
Speaker 1: I am in my life, and this is the things
Speaker 1: that I do to take care of my family and myself,
Speaker 1: and this is I just go do him. They just
Speaker 1: happened to be hard. You know. There's so many things
Speaker 1: that I wanted to talk about about him. First of all,
Speaker 1: I and I think I can say this and be
Speaker 1: safe in that because I don't want it to sound negative.
Speaker 1: I expected Warner Glenn to be And when I say
Speaker 1: a proud man, I don't mean that negatively. I've never
Speaker 1: spoken to the man, you know. I dealt with Kelly
Speaker 1: the whole time, like like setting this up, you know,
Speaker 1: and I knew Warner had a ton of character. I
Speaker 1: mean like he was the guy, the kind of guy
Speaker 1: wanted to learn who he was. And the biggest thing
Speaker 1: Mike and I've discussed this in great detail, and Misty two,
Speaker 1: I've talked to Missy about it. What I was most
Speaker 1: impacted about, and it was very real to me, was
Speaker 1: his humility. It was the dominant feature of who he was.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just a personality trait. It wasn't just niceties,
Speaker 1: it wasn't hospitality. It was a deep, genuine humility. That
Speaker 1: is it can't be fabricated. And I'm telling you, I
Speaker 1: what I said at the end of that podcast, I
Speaker 1: meant in that sometimes we as men and me I
Speaker 1: was talking about me at at the age I am at.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's this pressure from the world to
Speaker 1: be bold and confident. I think I have mistaken that
Speaker 1: at times to be the dominant feature of what my
Speaker 1: life is supposed to be. And and just what I
Speaker 1: saw and and man, sometimes stuff is just revelational. And
Speaker 1: by that I mean you see something and you cannot
Speaker 1: explain why it changes you, but it does. You walk
Speaker 1: out of it and you're different than you were before. Really,
Speaker 1: I We're pulling out of Warren Lends Driveway and Mike
Speaker 1: and I had this conversation and I said, I now,
Speaker 1: I said, I could have told you this before, I
Speaker 1: could have spoken these words in this order. But I said,
Speaker 1: I see how boldness and confidence are the foundation of
Speaker 1: it is deep humility and others nous and servant, servant focused,
Speaker 1: which I mean maybe, I mean that's what I saw
Speaker 1: inside of Mr Warner. And and because I expected kind
Speaker 1: of a John Wayne kind of guy, and he he
Speaker 1: did stuff that John Wayne would have, you know, fell
Speaker 1: out of his horse if he'd done I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean Mr Warner really and yeah, hadn't even heard
Speaker 1: the most of it. I mean, and a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff in his book he talks about, I mean just
Speaker 1: wild stuff. I mean, like he he is really a
Speaker 1: modern They can make a movie about him. I mean
Speaker 1: he's tracked his his neighbor was murdered by an illegal
Speaker 1: immigrant that came across the border, and Warner Glenn tracked
Speaker 1: that man down on a horse until the dude went
Speaker 1: over the border and they and they couldn't, they couldn't
Speaker 1: pursue any longer. Warner, you know, roping mountain lions. Warner,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, wait till you hear the podcast number
Speaker 1: two when you're gonna hear when he got into a
Speaker 1: fist fight with uh somebody, I'm not gonna tell you
Speaker 1: who it was until the podcast, but changed his life,
Speaker 1: it really did. And then he became this diplomat. He
Speaker 1: was in his forties, kind of the peak of when
Speaker 1: a man. I think, in in his forties a man,
Speaker 1: he's not an adolescent, he's not an old man. And
Speaker 1: it's like, you can really screw stuff up in the
Speaker 1: in your forties. I think, looking at me, the six finger,
Speaker 1: you know, you guess when you can fix him? Well,
Speaker 1: that's right, I mean, thank you, Brent. Just it feels
Speaker 1: like when you're in your forties, your world is starting
Speaker 1: to formulate, you know, like you gained confidence, your careers
Speaker 1: developed you. You you have decades of potential accolades that
Speaker 1: have built into your life. It makes sense that he
Speaker 1: would have done what he did and then, but it
Speaker 1: shifted him and changed him anyway. I look at the
Speaker 1: thing behind the thing I do. That's just the way
Speaker 1: we do. Just as you were talking about this, Clay,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking something kind of a new thought here. That's
Speaker 1: that I see. You know, his dad was Marvin, and
Speaker 1: Marvin became very well known, very famous in the Southwest,
Speaker 1: and oftentimes when you have a famous father, you oftentimes
Speaker 1: have issues with the sons. And I didn't sense that
Speaker 1: at all in that family or inside of Warner at all.
Speaker 1: He he Warner had also become let's let's say famous,
Speaker 1: and yet you could see that had never touched his life.
Speaker 1: His the amount of accolades or the amount of tention
Speaker 1: he had had in his life was really It's like
Speaker 1: it was deflected off of him. He just he never
Speaker 1: he never got to mind by that. He just did
Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do and kept doing it
Speaker 1: and enjoying his life and making sure his family was secure,
Speaker 1: and uh, he didn't. He didn't run after that fame,
Speaker 1: which I think is pretty common in a second son
Speaker 1: underneath the famous father, they want to cut out their
Speaker 1: own territory. And you didn't see that with Warner at all.
Speaker 1: You know, there's been a fair bit of press given
Speaker 1: to Warner Glenn over there, like this book, Like he
Speaker 1: didn't write a book about himself, somebody else wrote the
Speaker 1: book about him. Um that I picked up a book.
Speaker 1: I'm reading a book right now that references Warner Glenn.
Speaker 1: It's about jaguars, which you'll hear in a later podcast
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. But what I saw two was a
Speaker 1: man who he didn't ask for me to come to
Speaker 1: his house. I saught him out like he he does
Speaker 1: not seek attention. But he was very, very hospitable, and
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't Warner Glenn didn't know who met
Speaker 1: Eater was. I mean, it wasn't like we got some
Speaker 1: kind of special treatment because because I mean, he never
Speaker 1: heard of you know what I'm saying. And uh, and
Speaker 1: they treated us like kings, they really did. And I
Speaker 1: admired that. But Misty, what did you think? Some of
Speaker 1: what I thought has already been already been said, so
Speaker 1: I'll just elaborate a little tell me a favorite part
Speaker 1: because they ask the question, Yeah, let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question. I'm just thinking about what you just said
Speaker 1: about him when he was in his forties. Uh, is
Speaker 1: that when the incident that you're gonna talk about in
Speaker 1: the next podcast happened. That's just super interesting to me
Speaker 1: because you could see how Yeah, no spoiler alerts here,
Speaker 1: but let's just build some suspense. Everyone should listen to
Speaker 1: the next podcast. It's going to be really good. I
Speaker 1: thought when Kelly talked at the end, it was it
Speaker 1: was very good, and I thought there was a real
Speaker 1: sense of mutual honor. You could see it in her.
Speaker 1: You could, I mean, she was the one talking and
Speaker 1: what she was sharing was really good. You could also
Speaker 1: see it in him. And I think that it's sometimes
Speaker 1: hard as you as you age, to release you know,
Speaker 1: ownership of things to your to your kids in these
Speaker 1: multigenerational families. And what I thought was really I just
Speaker 1: thought the whole family dynamic was very unique, and there
Speaker 1: was a culture of honor, there was a culture of humility,
Speaker 1: and I felt that when you came back, I think
Speaker 1: that would be my biggest takeaway from the whole podcast
Speaker 1: is how you were when you came back and I
Speaker 1: could tell that it had really impacted you, and when
Speaker 1: you started talking to me just over coffee about the
Speaker 1: impact of of interacting with this guy. And then to
Speaker 1: hear Kelly describe them the way she described him, and
Speaker 1: to hear how she how he gave, you know, basically
Speaker 1: gave the is giving the business over to her, and
Speaker 1: there's a real level of partnership. And I thought, as
Speaker 1: a parent, that's something that as we age and as
Speaker 1: our kids are only just barely dipping their toe into
Speaker 1: like their early years and their dreams and their visions,
Speaker 1: and there's no family business here, you know, there's no
Speaker 1: it's not like we're passing down to business, but just
Speaker 1: a lifestyle and and and in a in a transition
Speaker 1: moment right now where our kids are doing some real
Speaker 1: exciting things, and um, I want to I want to
Speaker 1: be able to to interface with my kids with that
Speaker 1: same level of honor and no sense of uh, just
Speaker 1: a sense of respect and a sense of humility. And
Speaker 1: I would want to pass that on to them for
Speaker 1: them to pass on to their kids. And I was
Speaker 1: really just really moved by the intergenerational dynamics, they're going
Speaker 1: both ways, Kelly to him and him to her. And
Speaker 1: like you said, Mike, what Marvin must have passed to
Speaker 1: them for him to be able to do and other
Speaker 1: stories that Clay said has had told me that will
Speaker 1: make it on the podcast next week. Um, talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about Marvin and and I thought you could
Speaker 1: just see there was there was something at the head,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was an aspirational place for parents
Speaker 1: to stand. Yeah, before I forget about it. If you
Speaker 1: want to get Warren Glenn's book, you can buy it
Speaker 1: from W Hunting Supply Buddy Woodbury and our buddies at
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Speaker 1: you supply dot com like D as in the letter,
Speaker 1: D you supply dot Com? Isaac, what did you think?
Speaker 1: I haven't give give me a You can't okay, you
Speaker 1: can't say well, I just want a piggyback off with
Speaker 1: everybody else, said, I absolutely in an agreement. I've got
Speaker 1: two thoughts. I've got two thoughts. One do you intend
Speaker 1: to shorten his first name? As well? To just warn
Speaker 1: you're talking about a lot a lot of parallels, Dan
Speaker 1: Boone and uh No, Okay, so this isn't as profound
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But when she was talking about
Speaker 1: getting bitten by a lion, I was attacked by dogs
Speaker 1: three years ago. Rottweiler's in a in a bad way.
Speaker 1: There were three of them and I had I had
Speaker 1: forty eight punctures one and no way, are you serious? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got a big hope you weren't wearing those crocs.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. But I was riding my bike with my daughter.
Speaker 1: Well as I was riding my bike with my daughter
Speaker 1: in the trailer. It was crazy. But speaking of that,
Speaker 1: I was wearing shoes and I kicked that dog in
Speaker 1: the head as hard as I could and it did nothing.
Speaker 1: I have never felt down the road. Yeah, just in town. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I played soccer, growing feel pretty good. It was the
Speaker 1: most impotent I've ever felt in my life, just like
Speaker 1: I have no power in this situation. And knowing that,
Speaker 1: and then thinking about their situation, which is a mountain lion,
Speaker 1: which is a heck of a lot bigger than a rottweiler.
Speaker 1: It's like I just made made the experience emotional of
Speaker 1: listening to like Warner coming in and beating up the thing.
Speaker 1: And keep in mind this was what how many years
Speaker 1: ago the lion by? It was actually by it was
Speaker 1: more recently. So how old is he? Oh, Warner would
Speaker 1: have been eighty something when he she gets bit and
Speaker 1: hes in and starts punching, and I'm thinking it's not
Speaker 1: a spring chicken anyway. All of that was pretty pretty
Speaker 1: Uh some have six fingers. Hey, I'll tell you. One
Speaker 1: thing that stood out was when he talked about how
Speaker 1: they rope those mountain lions and put them in zoos.
Speaker 1: I had somebody, right me, I don't know who it was,
Speaker 1: somebody on Instagram say that they thought it was really
Speaker 1: unique that he was able to look back on that
Speaker 1: and say, hey, it was probably a mistake. We wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that today. Yeah, and him just kind of be
Speaker 1: okay with that, contextualizing it. Yeah, I've learned rare muscle
Speaker 1: inside of someone, I mean anybody. I mean, like, because
Speaker 1: you you look back on stuff and most of the
Speaker 1: time you just wouldn't I mean, if there if you
Speaker 1: didn't have a problem with it, then you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: a problem with it. Now, that's not a good way
Speaker 1: to describe it. But I love both sides of it
Speaker 1: because he has the cognizance to say, like, hey, that
Speaker 1: was wrong. It's probably one of the worst things you
Speaker 1: could do. Wouldn't do that again, and then the commenter
Speaker 1: to ignore ledge that that is remorse and not try
Speaker 1: and shut him down for I like, I remember that section,
Speaker 1: and it seemed that he really identified with the mountain lion.
Speaker 1: You know, he said, it's a wild thing made for
Speaker 1: wild places, and I wouldn't like it if you put
Speaker 1: me in a in a pen or an enclosure. And
Speaker 1: so clearly as he as he goes after these animals
Speaker 1: and hunts some that he's got a high of course
Speaker 1: he's got a high level of respect. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: but he's actually identifying with them, which is what gives
Speaker 1: him empathy. And I was very happy to bring to
Speaker 1: attention that it was a Disney movie that that was on.
Speaker 1: I noticed that for real, because they would they would
Speaker 1: some of these companies would love to just string Hunters
Speaker 1: up and just say look at these hillbilly, redneck, irrelevant barbarians.
Speaker 1: And it's like, hey, you guys were the ones making
Speaker 1: movies back to the second about rope with lions, paying
Speaker 1: our boys to go do it. I mean, they these
Speaker 1: are the creators of Baby. Yeah, yeah, I was saying
Speaker 1: the coming episodes, I think it will expand even an
Speaker 1: understanding of Warner in the family and what's going on
Speaker 1: in that region also, which again I look forward to
Speaker 1: hearing that again because they're more than just a ranching family,
Speaker 1: and they're more than just a hunting family. There's more
Speaker 1: to to their their legacy than that. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard talking about Warner without being able to
Speaker 1: talk about everything. But I want to wait just because
Speaker 1: of that second podcast, Hey, what did you guys think
Speaker 1: about the part about him running into the all the
Speaker 1: drug dealers what he called drug mules on his land.
Speaker 1: He was worried that you left it in there. I
Speaker 1: was worried for well, what if they hear it and
Speaker 1: find out that he called after he left? Everybody calls
Speaker 1: wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, waits a drug there's
Speaker 1: a there's a that's exactly drug mule. Who's listening to
Speaker 1: the Bargaras podcast. I was cooking, and uh, and then
Speaker 1: and I heard that, and I thought that, and then
Speaker 1: I thought, wait that they would have to to Bargary's
Speaker 1: probably good. I am very certain that we have a
Speaker 1: large demographic of I was gonna say, you know, justraphic
Speaker 1: is wide. Let me say that. Listen to Bargary's I
Speaker 1: thought it was a very pragmatic approach to uh solving
Speaker 1: the issue. How do you boys, We'll see you later.
Speaker 1: I couldn't, you know what. It's interesting interview and somebody
Speaker 1: like Warner, he is so practical, Like he was always
Speaker 1: kind of in a hurry to tell his story, even
Speaker 1: though he's a great storyteller. But I found him. And
Speaker 1: part of it was because when we were there, they
Speaker 1: didn't change their life too much for us, Like they
Speaker 1: still had to do all the things they had to do.
Speaker 1: So when we got there, he was like, well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go. Remember when I got there, we went to
Speaker 1: some well five miles away, like they had worked to do. Well,
Speaker 1: we gotta take the dogs out. He didn't do that
Speaker 1: just because I was there. And so when we sat
Speaker 1: down for the interview, that was the only part of
Speaker 1: the time that really wasn't like on the schedule and
Speaker 1: so like he kind of moved fast. But I wanted
Speaker 1: him to tell some specific stories that we didn't get to.
Speaker 1: But in the book there's a story of him and
Speaker 1: Kelly coming around the canyon coming around this trail and
Speaker 1: he says, there's two two guys sitting on a bale
Speaker 1: of drugs, bales of drugs in the trail, and they
Speaker 1: just surprised each other. And you just can see warrener
Speaker 1: just like nonchalant, not acting surprised. He didn't like turn
Speaker 1: and run with his mule. He just was. He just
Speaker 1: said he greeted him in Spanish and he said, are
Speaker 1: those drugs? This is in the book. He he just
Speaker 1: I think it was he just knew he had to
Speaker 1: get the elephant, you know, the elephant in the room.
Speaker 1: Pointed out. They stopped and bule they're ten ft apart
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he says those drugs, and he said
Speaker 1: they just shook their head yes. And he just said, well,
Speaker 1: we're lying hunting. I guess we'll just go on. And
Speaker 1: he went past him, went around him, and went on
Speaker 1: and they get out of sight, and then he's kind
Speaker 1: of like, holy cow. That was why he turns to Kelly,
Speaker 1: and Kelly says, did you see the other eight guys
Speaker 1: in the bushes? So there were two on the trail
Speaker 1: and Warner never saw the other. I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 1: was eight, that it may have been six, and two
Speaker 1: to make eight, or or it may have been two
Speaker 1: and eight. So there was this puddle in the road
Speaker 1: and there were tracks that there were no tracks. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into another one of these, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't like no. But that may have saved his life
Speaker 1: just being so nonchalant and praga addic about it, and
Speaker 1: you know, he just he he just anywhere he goes,
Speaker 1: he just kind of set the room at ease, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of got some drugs there and they're like, yep.
Speaker 1: I appreciated the response of the drug dealers. They were
Speaker 1: just like this is coffee stand up drug dealers. You know,
Speaker 1: none of their words kind oh man. You can read
Speaker 1: this book and learn more about it. But I love
Speaker 1: the mule part him talking about mules. You know, I
Speaker 1: meant what I said to like, if you hear me
Speaker 1: talking good about mules, that means very little. When you
Speaker 1: hear Warner Glenn talk about mules, he's not. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I meant it very much what I said
Speaker 1: when I joked about Instagram. It's like, uh, w warn
Speaker 1: Glen is not trying to impress anybody. He just wants
Speaker 1: to stay alive and he rides a mule. It was
Speaker 1: pretty cool hearing him talk about that. Um, he really
Speaker 1: loves those animals and really takes really really good care
Speaker 1: of Also, what's what's so wild about being down there
Speaker 1: on the border. You drive like ten or fifteen miles
Speaker 1: of dirt roads to get to basically Warners Driveway, which
Speaker 1: goes into the ranch, which it's a huge ranch. Like
Speaker 1: he called himself a small time Arizona cattle farmer. I
Speaker 1: don't know how big their ranches, but we're talking tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of acres. Yeah, we're talking about like you know,
Speaker 1: and they're small, small time ranchers. And the whole time
Speaker 1: you're driving in there, you're driving east and directly to
Speaker 1: the south is a huge metal wall, brand new. It was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty wild. We took pictures over by the
Speaker 1: wall and looked it over. The wild thing is is
Speaker 1: that there were there's creeks that creeks and rivers that
Speaker 1: have to flow from Arizona into Mexico. They just have
Speaker 1: floodgates that are open, welded open, and so so when
Speaker 1: we were there, Kelly was just like, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: a great wall. They just come through the holes where
Speaker 1: the Greeks go through. We were pulling into Warner Glenn's
Speaker 1: driveway and we meet three Border Patrol trucks coming out
Speaker 1: and Kelly's in front of us and we're following her.
Speaker 1: I made mention of this, and Kelly gets out and
Speaker 1: talks to the Border patrol, and the Border patrol drive
Speaker 1: past us, and you know they're driving past you kind
Speaker 1: of looking in there. What just kind of what's going on? Anyway,
Speaker 1: They picked up six people like within a half mile
Speaker 1: of their house that day, and they didn't think a
Speaker 1: thing about it. Like Kelly was just like, yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: what's going on and she said, oh, it was just
Speaker 1: the Border Patrol. They just picked up some people over here.
Speaker 1: And Uh, it's just interesting, just just it's just part
Speaker 1: of life down there. You know. It just changes in
Speaker 1: that dynamic of your life big time. And like I said,
Speaker 1: his his neighbor was is murdered. That is crazy, but
Speaker 1: that happened and that's their life. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: for for me in Arkansas, it's a it's a headline,
Speaker 1: or it's a news article, or it's something people argue
Speaker 1: about one way or the other. That's their life, you know.
Speaker 1: What felt Warner Glenn was classy enough, Warner Glenn, and
Speaker 1: then they have opinions about stuff, just like anybody would.
Speaker 1: You never Warner never said a derogatory word about the situation.
Speaker 1: He never did about the immigration situation. He he The
Speaker 1: only things that he said to me was he was
Speaker 1: very concerned about it being a wildlife migration inhibitor because
Speaker 1: they they want lines and jaguars coming across that border
Speaker 1: and they can't get across that. They can't get across
Speaker 1: that wall. And that was his That was the one
Speaker 1: thing he opened up to me about. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're worried about it as far as migrations of
Speaker 1: animals because they're they're in this wilderness truly. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's cattle, there's a few people, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much a wilderness, and they they their life is
Speaker 1: revolved around hunting these lions and stuff, which doesn't I
Speaker 1: just appreciated that because what you would have expected inside
Speaker 1: of a polarized world is people down there to be
Speaker 1: this or that, and he men. Actually what I saw
Speaker 1: inside of him was some some empathy for them as people.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, they're they're will turn people
Speaker 1: in when they say I mean, they're just they they
Speaker 1: understand the law of the land, but they also I
Speaker 1: felt like, had some empathy towards the human aspects of it.
Speaker 1: I think that fits with the other things that we've
Speaker 1: learned about Warner Glinn, that he's like an iceberg. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's thoughts, I'm sure there's opinions, but it
Speaker 1: really does say a lot about a man who can
Speaker 1: just you don't have to see all that Well, you've
Speaker 1: got nine tents that that's covered, and you've got one
Speaker 1: tenth that people can see. And I think it says
Speaker 1: a lot about a person's integrity to just kind of
Speaker 1: be who you are. And I just thought it was
Speaker 1: very telling when when asked about the wall, that his
Speaker 1: opinion of the wall was that there used to be
Speaker 1: an eight strand barbed wire fence there with t posts
Speaker 1: every twelve feet apart, and it was a good fence.
Speaker 1: But then you know, it's an old fence and it
Speaker 1: needed keeping up. And that was pretty much it was.
Speaker 1: I think about the wall, because like, it's pretty good fence,
Speaker 1: back strand barbed wire. Oh man, let's talk about this
Speaker 1: structural well and then he and then he told me
Speaker 1: he told me they put a during the during the
Speaker 1: early two thousand's, they put up a vehicle barrier, which
Speaker 1: is like a big metal drift type fence that's low
Speaker 1: like animals could go through it. And he said they
Speaker 1: would just build ramps and ramp over it. And then
Speaker 1: I think the new wall is like it's thirty ft tall, uh,
Speaker 1: six by six posts in deep concrete. The six bus
Speaker 1: six posts probably are four to five to six inches apart.
Speaker 1: They four like this, probably four. So envision a six
Speaker 1: by six square tube that goes thirty ft straight up
Speaker 1: in the air, and then there's another one four inches.
Speaker 1: Only the skinniest of lines can get through. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think what hit me was you said, whatever you look at,
Speaker 1: whatever the angle there, there's only one Warner Glenn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think like as even his daughter
Speaker 1: was talking and he's getting older and you know, and
Speaker 1: he said about that dog that's gonna pass, maybe this
Speaker 1: will be our last winner together. I was I was
Speaker 1: doing I was doing the dishes, and usually I listened
Speaker 1: to your podcast when I'm doing the dishes, and like
Speaker 1: immediately it kind of I got a little lump in
Speaker 1: my throat. One am I And obviously I don't know
Speaker 1: this man, but I think that's a rare man. And
Speaker 1: when the world loses a man like that, it loses
Speaker 1: something of great value. And there's just not too many
Speaker 1: people who can be in and live in a very
Speaker 1: complex sitch suation. We're talking about immigration, we're talking about
Speaker 1: conserving wildlife, we're talking about an intergenerational family and business
Speaker 1: and his granddaughter and how did the sixth generation, how
Speaker 1: do they do that with her and do that well?
Speaker 1: And all these things. He's the same man and he
Speaker 1: does it well and everyone is blessed because of it,
Speaker 1: and when he passes it will be a loss. Yeah, yeah, Daniel,
Speaker 1: I think you hit it right on the head because
Speaker 1: I think that's what I know. I felt, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure Clay did. It was like he's like a
Speaker 1: gem that you don't want to lose, and it's that's
Speaker 1: just life. But and the simplicity of his life, how
Speaker 1: he's able to to maneuver himself, his family inside a
Speaker 1: very complex world that who would have most people chasing
Speaker 1: their tails and a lot of turmoil and that type
Speaker 1: of thing chaos inside of the family. You don't feel
Speaker 1: that with that, there's a there's a there's been a
Speaker 1: foundation built in that family that while all this stuff
Speaker 1: is going on around him, they know who they are
Speaker 1: and they know what they're called to do on that
Speaker 1: ranch and how they're supposed to live, and um, it's
Speaker 1: given a lot of stability. Well, I look forward to
Speaker 1: to telling more Kelly's story. She I said it. We
Speaker 1: could have made a Burgary podcast just about Kelly for real.
Speaker 1: She's a neat, neat lady in in a veteran dry
Speaker 1: ground line. We didn't even talked about lion hunting. I
Speaker 1: mean the whole, the whole aspect of being a dry
Speaker 1: ground lion hunter is pretty amazing. And that's what the
Speaker 1: next a lot of the next podcast is gonna be about,
Speaker 1: because that is one of those things that unless you
Speaker 1: understand it, you have no context of why that is special.
Speaker 1: And so if if you if you value North American hunting,
Speaker 1: you need to know what dry ground lion hunting is
Speaker 1: super super unique, super difficult. Pretty much you got to
Speaker 1: dedicate your life to it to be good at it.
Speaker 1: And Warner Glenn is known as, and we use this phrase,
Speaker 1: one of the best in the world. You know, there's
Speaker 1: not we're only dry ground lion hunting on this side
Speaker 1: of the planet for the most part. Um, so you
Speaker 1: could say best in the country, best in the nation.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the NFL being the world champions
Speaker 1: and it's like, wait a minute, but we didn't play
Speaker 1: anybody in Italy? Did I thought? When Warner Clinton said,
Speaker 1: you know, that was one time when Kelly got hurt,
Speaker 1: he said in there like that was one time when
Speaker 1: she got bit by line all right, did you like
Speaker 1: that segue? Did you think it was funny? When I
Speaker 1: when he said that was just one of the times
Speaker 1: she got her I don't want to tell you about
Speaker 1: the other. And then I said, oh, sounds interested. Kelly's like,
Speaker 1: did that tell you I got bit by? What? She
Speaker 1: didn't tell us too? And I don't know that I'm
Speaker 1: going to include it just because I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: a long story. She got like straight up just dang
Speaker 1: there killed on a mule two years ago. She doesn't
Speaker 1: even remember what happened. She just was like I was
Speaker 1: riding the mule and next thing I know, I'm in
Speaker 1: the hospital. Like she literally doesn't know what happen. There's
Speaker 1: so many they were they were catching, basically catching these
Speaker 1: like rank cattle, like they turned these cattle loose on
Speaker 1: these big open sections and they have leases, some on
Speaker 1: public land and some on their land. And they were
Speaker 1: rounding up cattle and like you know, roping and running
Speaker 1: through brush and basically she got raked off of a mule,
Speaker 1: went over backwards and just blacked out. And uh, I
Speaker 1: can't remember how they got her out of there in
Speaker 1: the specifics of the injury, but like she's had some
Speaker 1: pretty major stuff happened over the years. But you and
Speaker 1: him both are so contradictory about how safe these mules are. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because every broken bone in
Speaker 1: our kids lives with the exception of when this summer
Speaker 1: that just happened has been on le okay, and that
Speaker 1: that like really yeah, somebody could say, hey, Clay, you
Speaker 1: say mules are safe, because Warner says mules are safe,
Speaker 1: And the next thing, Kelly's getting tore up by mule.
Speaker 1: The quite animal is inherently dangerous, no matter if it's
Speaker 1: a horse or a mule. So these things could like
Speaker 1: the spooking of the like a mule will spook, a
Speaker 1: mule will fall over, a mule will hurt you, a
Speaker 1: mule will kick you. A mule will do everything a
Speaker 1: horse would do to you, maybe worse, but they're typically safer.
Speaker 1: And this is where we always in in our family.
Speaker 1: But you know cars are also dangerous. Yes, that's our argument.
Speaker 1: Most dangerous thing you did to day was driver here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what a mule is, no problem. No, hey,
Speaker 1: thank you all. Mike, it's been great to have you
Speaker 1: been to be here. Ye, Isaac, good to have you, Brent,
Speaker 1: good to have you missed you better call us all
Speaker 1: out now. Yeah, you're welcome, widely. Moving on. It's our
Speaker 1: first first time to not have a song. The first
Speaker 1: time that I have a song might be and I
Speaker 1: think there's there might be a really good song next week.
Speaker 1: I think the first couple you didn't have a song,
Speaker 1: the first the first couple of Riddens, did you maybe Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Since since there's been songs, since since
Speaker 1: the songs and songs have been song all right, Well,
Speaker 1: keep the wild place as wild. That's where the bears
Speaker 1: live down and no