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Speaker 1: tell me, Dan, why you got whoopings in kindergarten? Swats whoopings.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I don't know if I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about it about so Ricky and I know, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they asked me to sit Indian style, and I just

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Speaker 1: set the president for not only that year, rest of

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Speaker 1: your life. Pretty well. And why did you get well, man,

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Speaker 1: we went from desk. You know, you always had a

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Speaker 1: That was a mistake. You were not lying because he

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Speaker 1: First day, first day, he said, three days or three leaks.

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Speaker 1: mystery guest, Misty newcom Welcome Misty. I also was that

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Speaker 1: the heat of the mole. I mean, you're pumped. This

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00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: is what you wait all year for. And your good

425
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: buddy has killed this bear, and he goes, man, how

426
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: much you think that thing weighs? I gay wrong to you.

427
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna add thirty five to forty pounds. You're not

428
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna do the math in your head. You're not gonna

429
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: calculate it, but you're gonna say a number that's instinctively

430
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: bigger than it actually is. I've only killed one bear,

431
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: and I think they told me it was to five.

432
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: But if you're telling me that one maybe I want

433
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: to actually this is a different type of bear. Yeah. Yeah.

434
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: Bear wits are house very very commonly overestimated by minimum.

435
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: They're hard, they're hard, they're very hard to judge. And

436
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: we've weighed enough of them now that you know, we

437
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: kind of get a feel. But sometimes you can't wait

438
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: like we did. We weren't able to weigh your bear,

439
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: and then the bear the next day that I would kill.

440
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: I hate to spill the beans that quickly kill the

441
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: bear the next day, and uh, I would have it was.

442
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: I estimated my bear to weigh three hundred plus or

443
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: minus twenty pounds. That was what I was what I well,

444
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: that was that was just clay by himself, not in

445
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: front of the truck. So his calculation. If I had

446
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: asked Brent, Brent would have said, all that bear ways

447
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: three fifty. Well, Brent, I saw both bears. No, you

448
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't have seen my No, you did not bear camps,

449
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: bear camp all. Misty cares about his bear fat literally right,

450
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: bear fat and and other things and meat. Yeah, I

451
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: went through. Misty was mad at me last year. I

452
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: was has there been a year where she hasn't been

453
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, last year Clay took a lot of

454
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: people we won't call names hunting definitely not man, we

455
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: start tell me about that year he was getting snippy.

456
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: Let's start the podcast by making fun of his outfit

457
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: and the only talk about things he wasn't everything's fine,

458
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: everything's fine, fine, And so he didn't. You know, other

459
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: people got the meat and they got the grease. And

460
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean we had a lot of time to cook

461
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: last year. I had both girls home and we wanted

462
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: to do and it was no bacon and home. No,

463
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: I didn't bring home the bacon. He did not, not

464
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: literally figurus, it was a good year. And then he

465
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: goes hunting in the spring and that bear had I

466
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: mean he took a picture of them holding up the

467
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: little tiny sliver of fat that yeah, I mean it

468
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: was there was nothing on it. So I've been killed

469
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: that I was in on this spring which I didn't

470
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: pull the tree literally, I took a video of the

471
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: amount of fact we pulled off of that bear, very

472
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: small amount of You know, a spring bear up in

473
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Montana is not going to have that much fat. A

474
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: lot of the bears are going keto now, yes they do.

475
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: Up there. A lot of proaches. You're still miss an

476
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: important part of that of that day, of that kill

477
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: of my bear. What's that between Isaac, Dave, you and me?

478
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Millions of views millions literally millions of views video and

479
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: photo between the four whelds, and we didn't take one

480
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: picture to me with my bear. You had two professional

481
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: photographers and one photographer, and we didn't get a single

482
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: picture of your bear. You should have had one more person, Daniel,

483
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: will you be my take my phone? It's it's overlooked. Yeah,

484
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, I want to have a great video. Though.

485
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: I never thought about it until you said, Hey, we

486
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: didn't take any picture, I mean your bear. We had

487
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: skimmed it. It was in an ice chest, and I

488
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: was like, didn't you picture? We actually did it hard.

489
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: I think that's a part of the story that's very,

490
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, incredibly valuable. I did not know where we

491
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: hunted had a drop off box, like you know, you

492
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: go in the nineties, you would you would drop off

493
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: your your video Blockbuster. Yeah, exactly exactly, and you leave

494
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: in the overnight drop box. You go the post office

495
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: today and you've got a letter you want to mail off,

496
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: you put it where we were. They have an overnight

497
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: bare box a cooler that you just drop your stuff off.

498
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: Kind of crazy. I was go get it tomorrow. A

499
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we had great. We had a great

500
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: Bearca was great and uh, Isaac, what hey, real quick?

501
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: What was your perception of the whole thing. You've never

502
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: been to our camp or anything? Oh incredible. Uh the

503
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: hunting was great. Saturday, Britt got a bear. Sunday, you

504
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: got a bear Monday. Monday. You gotta tell that story.

505
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: An him on. I thought about bringing him on, but yeah,

506
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Wait, wait, wait, the most manly person

507
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: in bear camp wasn't in bear camp and was Clay's

508
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: fifteen year old time. Every what he did was every

509
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: everyone was just like incredible. So four years ago we

510
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: bear Nukem was in line to start bear hunting. You know,

511
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: River killed a bear first and bear was in line

512
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: to bear hunt. And we hunt over bait. We love

513
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: hunting over bait. That's the way we hunt. I could

514
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: tell you you know. The other way that I love

515
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: to hunt, which I love even more than hunting over bait,

516
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: is hunting him in national forest like deer, which is

517
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: I believe the toughest hunt around, toughest hunt I know

518
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: of in this part of the country, just because the

519
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: low bear densities, the wide geographic home range that bears have.

520
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you can walk around the woods for years

521
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: and not see a bear in good bear country. It's tough.

522
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: And so I saw some fire in Bear's eyes when

523
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: he was about ten eleven years old, and I just said, Bear,

524
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: you ought to You got to think about this, and

525
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: I knew it had to be his decision. I wasn't

526
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna mandate this, but I planted in his mind the

527
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: idea of not killing a bear overbait and killing the

528
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: one in the national forest, which I knew was gonna

529
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: be very hard, and mainly because his brother and sisters

530
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: were killing bear and kind of getting attention for it

531
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But Bear like the idea of it, and

532
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, that's what I want to do Dad.

533
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: And he had he had a moment of weakness one

534
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: day when he was I think twelve, and James Lawrence

535
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: didn't know that we had this little deal going, and

536
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: I was gone, and James said, hey, Bear, why don't

537
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: you come hunting with me? And so Bear was like okay,

538
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: And so Bear took his bowl and actually actually clipped

539
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: a bear, so he shot at a bear over bait

540
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: out there, but we never found it. And then Bear

541
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: came back and was and I mean it was totally fine,

542
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: but he was like, hey, Dad, I'm not I'm not

543
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna hunt over bait again. And he just didn't have

544
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: the tack at that age to be like Mr James, No,

545
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: actually I don't hunt over I'm not gonna do that.

546
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, so, but so for the last several years

547
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: we've hunted in National Forest and tried to get him

548
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: a bear. And years ago, years ago, I said, Bear,

549
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: And this was before we made this deal. I told Bear,

550
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: I said, one day, I'm gonna drop you off and

551
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a pack and some freeze dried

552
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: meals and i'm gonna send you off and i'm gonna

553
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: pick you up three days later and let you camp

554
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: all by yourself. And this is when he was just

555
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: a little boy, and I remember his eyes lightening up

556
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: and just thinking how cool that would be. And that's

557
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: what we did this year. It was time, you know,

558
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: back in the summer, I said, Bear, you need to

559
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: hunt the first three days of season and and so

560
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: we're having this big bear camp which our bear camp

561
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: is just a ton of fun. I mean we eat

562
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: great food, we sit around the fire. I mean it's

563
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: a lot of work. We were baiting bears. Yeah, we

564
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: had lots of fruit bars and different things. We we Uh,

565
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: it's camaraderie, it's fun. We don't hunt the mornings pretty much,

566
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: just hunt the evening. So you know we're sleeping in

567
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: a little bit in the morning, sitting around drinking coffee,

568
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: just having a good time. Well, the night before season,

569
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: all of us drive over and dump Bear out in

570
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: the woods and he's got his pack and his bow,

571
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: and he's got a he's got a tethered tree saddle

572
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: which is a way for him to get up in

573
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: a tree, had some sticks, and he's got an in

574
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: reach and parts of his hunt he'll be in cell range.

575
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: And so the whole weekend we're just like we're back

576
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: living in luxury and bar nuclems out you know, roughing

577
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: it out in the out in the woods by himself.

578
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: And um, it was so cool because the whole I mean,

579
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: there wasn't probably a five hour stretch of time when

580
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: somebody didn't say something about bear being out there. You know,

581
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: what did anybody get an update, is in bad hurting thing?

582
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: Is he seen anything? Well, on the second day, he

583
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: saw a soal with cubs, which was a big deal.

584
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: He you know, he messaged me, Dan, I just saw

585
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: a south cubs and you can't you can't shoot a

586
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: sou with cubs. And it was within eight yards of him,

587
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: just walked right under him, and so big win. Like

588
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: I thought, there's our win. And he is not just hunting.

589
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: He he had a game plan. What he did is

590
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: he he hunted out from his camp for the first

591
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: two hours the morning and still hunting, just moving along,

592
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: slipping in through the wind. And then by ten o'clock

593
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: he would be hunting in his tree stand, which was

594
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: over bear sign, which where we knew some bears were

595
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: moving through on natural food essentially okay, And he said

596
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: in that stand from ten am till six am for

597
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: three days, eight hours hanging in that saddle and ten

598
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: am to six pm, so eight hours. And um, he

599
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: on the second day he saw bears and and there's

600
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: a Dave Gardner took a photo of my phone because

601
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Dave and I were hunting when I messaged Bear and said, hey,

602
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: we'll come get you tonight. This is on day two.

603
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: So he's been out there now two full nights and

604
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: three days. The way it worked out, parts of three days.

605
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, if you want to come to

606
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: bear camp, we'll come pick you up tonight. Meet us,

607
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: meet us, you know, down the road. And I kind

608
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: of I was trying to give him my way out

609
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: and I didn't want him just to be and he said,

610
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: I've got the message. He said, nope, no staying. I

611
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: got to kill a bear. So he stayed. And the

612
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: next day we had already killed bears. We were rendering

613
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: bear fat. We had no more than filled the last

614
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: jar of bear fat, the last we're working on the

615
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: last batch of bear grease. And I see the little

616
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: green button beeping on my inn. Reach. We had sort

617
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: of mentally like, all right, finished the bear grease. We're

618
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: gonna go get some shots for the film, get a

619
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: sunset shot, whatever. Like we were winding back to civilization.

620
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: Green light on the end, Reach, green light on the end. Reach.

621
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: I go to it and it just says I killed

622
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: a bear, and we just flipped out. We really did.

623
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: It was probably I can't ever remember personally being more expressive.

624
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Just I mean, we just like I was just like

625
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: man your eyes like cartoon eyeballs messaged him back and

626
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: I said, we're on our way. It took us three

627
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: hours to get to him. By the time we got there,

628
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: and me and Dave and and Uh and Isaac went

629
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: up to him. Brent went and got Ice with my

630
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: dad cat here. So Shephard and I had left Bear camp.

631
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: We were trying to get home before dark because we

632
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: weren't staying over right. And so as soon as I

633
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: get into cell range, my phone's going off because Bear

634
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: we have a family text thread, and Bear send a

635
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: message to the text thread, and so his sisters were

636
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: the only ones in cell range, but they were in

637
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: different states, and so they he they're all talking, and

638
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: I see the conversation, and I see all the you know,

639
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: the newcom thread is popping up, and so Shepherd and

640
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: I look and I pull over and there's a construction

641
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: area and I pull over. And I was afraid they

642
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: were going to go be in the out of cell

643
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: range all night long and not see not see the message,

644
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: because it is sometimes difficult to get those in reach messages,

645
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: and and especially where we're at because there's a real

646
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: thick campy. So I turned my car around and I

647
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: told Shepherd later on, I have no recollection of going

648
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: through the construction zone. I don't know how. And Shepherd said,

649
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: you did. You were safe, he said, but I I

650
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: it was orange and so we But it was real

651
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: sweet because the girls are bear it's not probably the

652
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: most expressive of the newcombs. And they were taking pictures

653
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: of him on FaceTime and because his face was like glowing,

654
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really sweet, and they he had

655
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: to skin the bear by himself, and they he didn't

656
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: know how to turn taken up. Oddly, where the bear ran,

657
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: he had like better sell coverage than we have right

658
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: here where he was hunting, he did not as well.

659
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: But when it went anyway, so he facetimed his sister

660
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: and she she was able to get a picture of

661
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: the bear before he skinned it via FaceTime. It was

662
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, so that was neat and we

663
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: went and got him. And then when when he came

664
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: off the mountain, there was a whole crew of people

665
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: waiting my dad and mom and um who else misty ship.

666
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and anyway, they had drinks for him and

667
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: food and it was a big deal. It was awesome,

668
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: My man, he slept on the ground no pad, which

669
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: was just rocks. It looked like grass until you laid down,

670
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: and then his pillow was a stuff sack full of grass.

671
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: He ate one free stride meal a day. Is that

672
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: what he said? And he said, and Dave, I think,

673
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: asked him like, did you get scared? He's like, well,

674
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: there's this time when I was eating dinner, skunk came along.

675
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: I thought, that thing's praised me. My hunt's over. It's like,

676
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: that's that's because ye skunk. Yeah, you know that title

677
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: for that hunt it should be Brave Heart. Oh yeah, really,

678
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, it really shows a lot of bravery and

679
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: dedication to a plan, which is unusual. Yeah. No, I

680
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: was really proud of him. Yeah, anybody everybody was still

681
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: am well speaking of one of the best hunters, speaking

682
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: of the topics at hand, Warner Glenn and who who Mike?

683
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: You listen to the podcast? What do you think you

684
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: were there? I was there. It really brought back memories

685
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: and just feelings I had when I was there. I

686
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: thought it was extremely well crafted and put together and

687
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: condensed because it covered you know, we were there a

688
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: total of maybe a day. We were there a short

689
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: time or time, lots of we gathered probably three four

690
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: hours ago audio. A lot of stuff happened, and they're

691
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: very busy people running that ranch. They were extremely gracious

692
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: with how much time they gave and uh, and it

693
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: happened quick. It was. The podcast is excellent and the

694
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: feedback that I've had from my friends and from especially

695
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Ja Dussard, who is in the podcast, Jake said quote

696
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: it was fabulous and he's known Warner for over sixty years. Yeah,

697
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: I always like it. I'm trying to make a point

698
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: when I interviewed some of these older people to ask

699
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: him where they were when John F. Kennedy died, Because

700
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: do you remember the other guy, Britt Davis, who's ninety

701
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: in the Appalachian Mountain podcast. I asked about where he

702
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: was because it's it really is. It's kind of like

703
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: just a sampling of time. And Mr Britt was driving

704
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: a road greater. Really, Yeah, he was driving a road greater.

705
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: And you know what, he worked most of his life.

706
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he did. Mr Warner, Glen, you

707
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: asked him where he was at when John F. Kennedy died.

708
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: He was on a mule hunting lions in the desert

709
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: and that's what he has done a lot of his life.

710
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: What was so unique is that Jay Dussard had the

711
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: skull and it just didn't pencil. It said November twenty second,

712
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. And then I said Jay had an

713
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: impact you when Jeff k died. He said, well, it

714
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: mainly just reminded me that I voted. What do you think? Dan?

715
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: You know, I think for some reason one of the

716
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: things that sticks out to me is when his daughter

717
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: was just talking about the way that she almost like intergenerationally,

718
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: the way she kind of shows him respect and like

719
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: she said, I asked him questions that I know the

720
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: answer to, and I just I mean, I want a

721
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: rare kind of glimpse into their family dynamic and how

722
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: they treat one another and respect and and honestly, after

723
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: the podcast, I called my mom. I thought, I want

724
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: to I want to interact like that, and I want to.

725
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: I just really I really enjoyed kind of the intergeneration.

726
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that really got to me

727
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: um was when she she was there, they're both talking

728
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: about the one dog that's older, Hook, Hook, and when

729
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: she was describing Hook and that was like a metaphor

730
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: for her dad and kind of watching him do the

731
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: end of his life but continue to model and be

732
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: a type that everyone can something that was fantastic. Yeah,

733
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: the way she described it when she said quietly going

734
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: on that was that you could have I don't know

735
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: if that whole podcast or that man the image I

736
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: had of him after listening to that, if that wasn't

737
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: the most fitting description of the stuff that he does

738
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: and what he represents out there quietly going only, it

739
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: was really powerful for me to listen to that. What

740
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: did you think? Well, it was just it reminded me

741
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: of a lot of people that you know, my grandfather

742
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: and you know people that I've known and and read

743
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: about and heard about. You referenced Daniel Boone in that thing.

744
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: A lot of that stuff came came back in my

745
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: head about how he was, how humble Mr Glenn is

746
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: and you know, to him the stuff that he was

747
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: doing like Boone, it was I'm not doing this for

748
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: glory or if this is just something needs to be done,

749
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: and this this is what I do. This is where

750
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: I am in my life, and this is the things

751
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: that I do to take care of my family and myself,

752
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: and this is I just go do him. They just

753
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: happened to be hard. You know. There's so many things

754
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: that I wanted to talk about about him. First of all,

755
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: I and I think I can say this and be

756
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: safe in that because I don't want it to sound negative.

757
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: I expected Warner Glenn to be And when I say

758
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 1: a proud man, I don't mean that negatively. I've never

759
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: spoken to the man, you know. I dealt with Kelly

760
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: the whole time, like like setting this up, you know,

761
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: and I knew Warner had a ton of character. I

762
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: mean like he was the guy, the kind of guy

763
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: wanted to learn who he was. And the biggest thing

764
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Mike and I've discussed this in great detail, and Misty two,

765
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 1: I've talked to Missy about it. What I was most

766
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: impacted about, and it was very real to me, was

767
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: his humility. It was the dominant feature of who he was.

768
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just a personality trait. It wasn't just niceties,

769
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't hospitality. It was a deep, genuine humility. That

770
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: is it can't be fabricated. And I'm telling you, I

771
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: what I said at the end of that podcast, I

772
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: meant in that sometimes we as men and me I

773
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: was talking about me at at the age I am at.

774
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: I feel like there's this pressure from the world to

775
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: be bold and confident. I think I have mistaken that

776
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: at times to be the dominant feature of what my

777
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: life is supposed to be. And and just what I

778
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: saw and and man, sometimes stuff is just revelational. And

779
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: by that I mean you see something and you cannot

780
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: explain why it changes you, but it does. You walk

781
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: out of it and you're different than you were before. Really,

782
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: I We're pulling out of Warren Lends Driveway and Mike

783
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: and I had this conversation and I said, I now,

784
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I said, I could have told you this before, I

785
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: could have spoken these words in this order. But I said,

786
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I see how boldness and confidence are the foundation of

787
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: it is deep humility and others nous and servant, servant focused,

788
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: which I mean maybe, I mean that's what I saw

789
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: inside of Mr Warner. And and because I expected kind

790
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: of a John Wayne kind of guy, and he he

791
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: did stuff that John Wayne would have, you know, fell

792
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: out of his horse if he'd done I mean, you know,

793
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean Mr Warner really and yeah, hadn't even heard

794
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: the most of it. I mean, and a lot of

795
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: stuff in his book he talks about, I mean just

796
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: wild stuff. I mean, like he he is really a

797
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: modern They can make a movie about him. I mean

798
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: he's tracked his his neighbor was murdered by an illegal

799
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: immigrant that came across the border, and Warner Glenn tracked

800
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: that man down on a horse until the dude went

801
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: over the border and they and they couldn't, they couldn't

802
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: pursue any longer. Warner, you know, roping mountain lions. Warner,

803
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, uh, wait till you hear the podcast number

804
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: two when you're gonna hear when he got into a

805
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: fist fight with uh somebody, I'm not gonna tell you

806
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: who it was until the podcast, but changed his life,

807
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: it really did. And then he became this diplomat. He

808
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: was in his forties, kind of the peak of when

809
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: a man. I think, in in his forties a man,

810
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: he's not an adolescent, he's not an old man. And

811
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: it's like, you can really screw stuff up in the

812
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: in your forties. I think, looking at me, the six finger,

813
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, you guess when you can fix him? Well,

814
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: that's right, I mean, thank you, Brent. Just it feels

815
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: like when you're in your forties, your world is starting

816
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: to formulate, you know, like you gained confidence, your careers

817
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: developed you. You you have decades of potential accolades that

818
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: have built into your life. It makes sense that he

819
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: would have done what he did and then, but it

820
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: shifted him and changed him anyway. I look at the

821
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: thing behind the thing I do. That's just the way

822
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: we do. Just as you were talking about this, Clay,

823
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking something kind of a new thought here. That's

824
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: that I see. You know, his dad was Marvin, and

825
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: Marvin became very well known, very famous in the Southwest,

826
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: and oftentimes when you have a famous father, you oftentimes

827
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: have issues with the sons. And I didn't sense that

828
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: at all in that family or inside of Warner at all.

829
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: He he Warner had also become let's let's say famous,

830
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: and yet you could see that had never touched his life.

831
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: His the amount of accolades or the amount of tention

832
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: he had had in his life was really It's like

833
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: it was deflected off of him. He just he never

834
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: he never got to mind by that. He just did

835
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do and kept doing it

836
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: and enjoying his life and making sure his family was secure,

837
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: and uh, he didn't. He didn't run after that fame,

838
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: which I think is pretty common in a second son

839
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: underneath the famous father, they want to cut out their

840
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: own territory. And you didn't see that with Warner at all.

841
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: You know, there's been a fair bit of press given

842
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: to Warner Glenn over there, like this book, Like he

843
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: didn't write a book about himself, somebody else wrote the

844
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: book about him. Um that I picked up a book.

845
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm reading a book right now that references Warner Glenn.

846
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: It's about jaguars, which you'll hear in a later podcast

847
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. But what I saw two was a

848
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: man who he didn't ask for me to come to

849
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: his house. I saught him out like he he does

850
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: not seek attention. But he was very, very hospitable, and

851
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't Warner Glenn didn't know who met

852
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: Eater was. I mean, it wasn't like we got some

853
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: kind of special treatment because because I mean, he never

854
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: heard of you know what I'm saying. And uh, and

855
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: they treated us like kings, they really did. And I

856
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: admired that. But Misty, what did you think? Some of

857
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: what I thought has already been already been said, so

858
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: I'll just elaborate a little tell me a favorite part

859
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: because they ask the question, Yeah, let me ask you

860
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: a question. I'm just thinking about what you just said

861
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: about him when he was in his forties. Uh, is

862
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: that when the incident that you're gonna talk about in

863
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: the next podcast happened. That's just super interesting to me

864
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: because you could see how Yeah, no spoiler alerts here,

865
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: but let's just build some suspense. Everyone should listen to

866
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: the next podcast. It's going to be really good. I

867
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: thought when Kelly talked at the end, it was it

868
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: was very good, and I thought there was a real

869
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: sense of mutual honor. You could see it in her.

870
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: You could, I mean, she was the one talking and

871
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: what she was sharing was really good. You could also

872
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: see it in him. And I think that it's sometimes

873
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: hard as you as you age, to release you know,

874
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: ownership of things to your to your kids in these

875
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: multigenerational families. And what I thought was really I just

876
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: thought the whole family dynamic was very unique, and there

877
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: was a culture of honor, there was a culture of humility,

878
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: and I felt that when you came back, I think

879
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: that would be my biggest takeaway from the whole podcast

880
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: is how you were when you came back and I

881
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: could tell that it had really impacted you, and when

882
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: you started talking to me just over coffee about the

883
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: impact of of interacting with this guy. And then to

884
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: hear Kelly describe them the way she described him, and

885
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: to hear how she how he gave, you know, basically

886
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: gave the is giving the business over to her, and

887
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: there's a real level of partnership. And I thought, as

888
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: a parent, that's something that as we age and as

889
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: our kids are only just barely dipping their toe into

890
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: like their early years and their dreams and their visions,

891
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: and there's no family business here, you know, there's no

892
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: it's not like we're passing down to business, but just

893
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: a lifestyle and and and in a in a transition

894
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: moment right now where our kids are doing some real

895
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: exciting things, and um, I want to I want to

896
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: be able to to interface with my kids with that

897
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: same level of honor and no sense of uh, just

898
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: a sense of respect and a sense of humility. And

899
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: I would want to pass that on to them for

900
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: them to pass on to their kids. And I was

901
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: really just really moved by the intergenerational dynamics, they're going

902
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: both ways, Kelly to him and him to her. And

903
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: like you said, Mike, what Marvin must have passed to

904
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: them for him to be able to do and other

905
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: stories that Clay said has had told me that will

906
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: make it on the podcast next week. Um, talk a

907
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: little bit about Marvin and and I thought you could

908
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: just see there was there was something at the head,

909
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: and I thought it was an aspirational place for parents

910
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: to stand. Yeah, before I forget about it. If you

911
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: want to get Warren Glenn's book, you can buy it

912
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: from W Hunting Supply Buddy Woodbury and our buddies at

913
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: W you can order from there. D it's actually D

914
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: you supply dot com like D as in the letter,

915
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: D you supply dot Com? Isaac, what did you think?

916
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: I haven't give give me a You can't okay, you

917
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: can't say well, I just want a piggyback off with

918
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: everybody else, said, I absolutely in an agreement. I've got

919
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: two thoughts. I've got two thoughts. One do you intend

920
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: to shorten his first name? As well? To just warn

921
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about a lot a lot of parallels, Dan

922
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: Boone and uh No, Okay, so this isn't as profound

923
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But when she was talking about

924
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: getting bitten by a lion, I was attacked by dogs

925
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: three years ago. Rottweiler's in a in a bad way.

926
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: There were three of them and I had I had

927
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: forty eight punctures one and no way, are you serious? Yeah?

928
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: I got a big hope you weren't wearing those crocs.

929
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't. But I was riding my bike with my daughter.

930
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: Well as I was riding my bike with my daughter

931
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: in the trailer. It was crazy. But speaking of that,

932
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: I was wearing shoes and I kicked that dog in

933
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: the head as hard as I could and it did nothing.

934
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: I have never felt down the road. Yeah, just in town. Yeah,

935
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: I played soccer, growing feel pretty good. It was the

936
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: most impotent I've ever felt in my life, just like

937
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: I have no power in this situation. And knowing that,

938
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: and then thinking about their situation, which is a mountain lion,

939
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: which is a heck of a lot bigger than a rottweiler.

940
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: It's like I just made made the experience emotional of

941
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: listening to like Warner coming in and beating up the thing.

942
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: And keep in mind this was what how many years

943
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: ago the lion by? It was actually by it was

944
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: more recently. So how old is he? Oh, Warner would

945
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: have been eighty something when he she gets bit and

946
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: hes in and starts punching, and I'm thinking it's not

947
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: a spring chicken anyway. All of that was pretty pretty

948
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: Uh some have six fingers. Hey, I'll tell you. One

949
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: thing that stood out was when he talked about how

950
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: they rope those mountain lions and put them in zoos.

951
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: I had somebody, right me, I don't know who it was,

952
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: somebody on Instagram say that they thought it was really

953
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: unique that he was able to look back on that

954
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: and say, hey, it was probably a mistake. We wouldn't

955
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: do that today. Yeah, and him just kind of be

956
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: okay with that, contextualizing it. Yeah, I've learned rare muscle

957
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: inside of someone, I mean anybody. I mean, like, because

958
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: you you look back on stuff and most of the

959
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: time you just wouldn't I mean, if there if you

960
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: didn't have a problem with it, then you wouldn't have

961
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: a problem with it. Now, that's not a good way

962
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: to describe it. But I love both sides of it

963
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: because he has the cognizance to say, like, hey, that

964
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: was wrong. It's probably one of the worst things you

965
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: could do. Wouldn't do that again, and then the commenter

966
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: to ignore ledge that that is remorse and not try

967
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: and shut him down for I like, I remember that section,

968
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: and it seemed that he really identified with the mountain lion.

969
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: You know, he said, it's a wild thing made for

970
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: wild places, and I wouldn't like it if you put

971
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: me in a in a pen or an enclosure. And

972
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: so clearly as he as he goes after these animals

973
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: and hunts some that he's got a high of course

974
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: he's got a high level of respect. It's not you know,

975
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: but he's actually identifying with them, which is what gives

976
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: him empathy. And I was very happy to bring to

977
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: attention that it was a Disney movie that that was on.

978
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: I noticed that for real, because they would they would

979
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: some of these companies would love to just string Hunters

980
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: up and just say look at these hillbilly, redneck, irrelevant barbarians.

981
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: And it's like, hey, you guys were the ones making

982
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: movies back to the second about rope with lions, paying

983
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: our boys to go do it. I mean, they these

984
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: are the creators of Baby. Yeah, yeah, I was saying

985
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: the coming episodes, I think it will expand even an

986
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: understanding of Warner in the family and what's going on

987
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: in that region also, which again I look forward to

988
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: hearing that again because they're more than just a ranching family,

989
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: and they're more than just a hunting family. There's more

990
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: to to their their legacy than that. Yeah. Yeah, it's

991
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: kind of hard talking about Warner without being able to

992
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: talk about everything. But I want to wait just because

993
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: of that second podcast, Hey, what did you guys think

994
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: about the part about him running into the all the

995
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: drug dealers what he called drug mules on his land.

996
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: He was worried that you left it in there. I

997
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: was worried for well, what if they hear it and

998
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: find out that he called after he left? Everybody calls

999
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, waits a drug there's

1000
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: a there's a that's exactly drug mule. Who's listening to

1001
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: the Bargaras podcast. I was cooking, and uh, and then

1002
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: and I heard that, and I thought that, and then

1003
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: I thought, wait that they would have to to Bargary's

1004
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: probably good. I am very certain that we have a

1005
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: large demographic of I was gonna say, you know, justraphic

1006
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: is wide. Let me say that. Listen to Bargary's I

1007
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: thought it was a very pragmatic approach to uh solving

1008
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: the issue. How do you boys, We'll see you later.

1009
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't, you know what. It's interesting interview and somebody

1010
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: like Warner, he is so practical, Like he was always

1011
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: kind of in a hurry to tell his story, even

1012
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: though he's a great storyteller. But I found him. And

1013
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: part of it was because when we were there, they

1014
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: didn't change their life too much for us, Like they

1015
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: still had to do all the things they had to do.

1016
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: So when we got there, he was like, well, we're

1017
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: gonna go. Remember when I got there, we went to

1018
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: some well five miles away, like they had worked to do. Well,

1019
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: we gotta take the dogs out. He didn't do that

1020
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,479
Speaker 1: just because I was there. And so when we sat

1021
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: down for the interview, that was the only part of

1022
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: the time that really wasn't like on the schedule and

1023
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: so like he kind of moved fast. But I wanted

1024
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: him to tell some specific stories that we didn't get to.

1025
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: But in the book there's a story of him and

1026
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: Kelly coming around the canyon coming around this trail and

1027
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: he says, there's two two guys sitting on a bale

1028
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: of drugs, bales of drugs in the trail, and they

1029
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: just surprised each other. And you just can see warrener

1030
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: just like nonchalant, not acting surprised. He didn't like turn

1031
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: and run with his mule. He just was. He just

1032
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: said he greeted him in Spanish and he said, are

1033
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: those drugs? This is in the book. He he just

1034
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: I think it was he just knew he had to

1035
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: get the elephant, you know, the elephant in the room.

1036
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: Pointed out. They stopped and bule they're ten ft apart

1037
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he says those drugs, and he said

1038
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: they just shook their head yes. And he just said, well,

1039
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: we're lying hunting. I guess we'll just go on. And

1040
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: he went past him, went around him, and went on

1041
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: and they get out of sight, and then he's kind

1042
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: of like, holy cow. That was why he turns to Kelly,

1043
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: and Kelly says, did you see the other eight guys

1044
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: in the bushes? So there were two on the trail

1045
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: and Warner never saw the other. I'm pretty sure it

1046
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: was eight, that it may have been six, and two

1047
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: to make eight, or or it may have been two

1048
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: and eight. So there was this puddle in the road

1049
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: and there were tracks that there were no tracks. Okay,

1050
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into another one of these, but it

1051
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: wasn't like no. But that may have saved his life

1052
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: just being so nonchalant and praga addic about it, and

1053
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, he just he he just anywhere he goes,

1054
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: he just kind of set the room at ease, you know,

1055
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: just kind of got some drugs there and they're like, yep.

1056
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: I appreciated the response of the drug dealers. They were

1057
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: just like this is coffee stand up drug dealers. You know,

1058
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: none of their words kind oh man. You can read

1059
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: this book and learn more about it. But I love

1060
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: the mule part him talking about mules. You know, I

1061
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: meant what I said to like, if you hear me

1062
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: talking good about mules, that means very little. When you

1063
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: hear Warner Glenn talk about mules, he's not. I mean,

1064
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: it's funny. I meant it very much what I said

1065
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: when I joked about Instagram. It's like, uh, w warn

1066
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: Glen is not trying to impress anybody. He just wants

1067
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: to stay alive and he rides a mule. It was

1068
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: pretty cool hearing him talk about that. Um, he really

1069
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: loves those animals and really takes really really good care

1070
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: of Also, what's what's so wild about being down there

1071
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: on the border. You drive like ten or fifteen miles

1072
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: of dirt roads to get to basically Warners Driveway, which

1073
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: goes into the ranch, which it's a huge ranch. Like

1074
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: he called himself a small time Arizona cattle farmer. I

1075
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: don't know how big their ranches, but we're talking tens

1076
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: of thousands of acres. Yeah, we're talking about like you know,

1077
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: and they're small, small time ranchers. And the whole time

1078
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: you're driving in there, you're driving east and directly to

1079
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: the south is a huge metal wall, brand new. It was.

1080
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: It was pretty wild. We took pictures over by the

1081
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: wall and looked it over. The wild thing is is

1082
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: that there were there's creeks that creeks and rivers that

1083
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: have to flow from Arizona into Mexico. They just have

1084
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: floodgates that are open, welded open, and so so when

1085
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: we were there, Kelly was just like, yeah, it's it's

1086
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: a great wall. They just come through the holes where

1087
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: the Greeks go through. We were pulling into Warner Glenn's

1088
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: driveway and we meet three Border Patrol trucks coming out

1089
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: and Kelly's in front of us and we're following her.

1090
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: I made mention of this, and Kelly gets out and

1091
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: talks to the Border patrol, and the Border patrol drive

1092
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: past us, and you know they're driving past you kind

1093
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: of looking in there. What just kind of what's going on? Anyway,

1094
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: They picked up six people like within a half mile

1095
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: of their house that day, and they didn't think a

1096
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: thing about it. Like Kelly was just like, yeah, I said,

1097
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: what's going on and she said, oh, it was just

1098
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: the Border Patrol. They just picked up some people over here.

1099
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: And Uh, it's just interesting, just just it's just part

1100
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: of life down there. You know. It just changes in

1101
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: that dynamic of your life big time. And like I said,

1102
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: his his neighbor was is murdered. That is crazy, but

1103
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: that happened and that's their life. And yeah, you know,

1104
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: for for me in Arkansas, it's a it's a headline,

1105
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: or it's a news article, or it's something people argue

1106
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: about one way or the other. That's their life, you know.

1107
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: What felt Warner Glenn was classy enough, Warner Glenn, and

1108
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: then they have opinions about stuff, just like anybody would.

1109
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: You never Warner never said a derogatory word about the situation.

1110
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: He never did about the immigration situation. He he The

1111
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: only things that he said to me was he was

1112
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: very concerned about it being a wildlife migration inhibitor because

1113
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: they they want lines and jaguars coming across that border

1114
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: and they can't get across that. They can't get across

1115
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: that wall. And that was his That was the one

1116
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: thing he opened up to me about. He said, yeah,

1117
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: we're we're worried about it as far as migrations of

1118
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: animals because they're they're in this wilderness truly. I mean,

1119
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: there's cattle, there's a few people, but I mean, you know,

1120
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: pretty much a wilderness, and they they their life is

1121
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: revolved around hunting these lions and stuff, which doesn't I

1122
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: just appreciated that because what you would have expected inside

1123
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: of a polarized world is people down there to be

1124
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: this or that, and he men. Actually what I saw

1125
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: inside of him was some some empathy for them as people.

1126
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, they're they're will turn people

1127
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: in when they say I mean, they're just they they

1128
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: understand the law of the land, but they also I

1129
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: felt like, had some empathy towards the human aspects of it.

1130
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: I think that fits with the other things that we've

1131
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: learned about Warner Glinn, that he's like an iceberg. And

1132
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's thoughts, I'm sure there's opinions, but it

1133
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: really does say a lot about a man who can

1134
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: just you don't have to see all that Well, you've

1135
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: got nine tents that that's covered, and you've got one

1136
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: tenth that people can see. And I think it says

1137
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot about a person's integrity to just kind of

1138
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: be who you are. And I just thought it was

1139
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: very telling when when asked about the wall, that his

1140
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: opinion of the wall was that there used to be

1141
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: an eight strand barbed wire fence there with t posts

1142
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: every twelve feet apart, and it was a good fence.

1143
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: But then you know, it's an old fence and it

1144
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: needed keeping up. And that was pretty much it was.

1145
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: I think about the wall, because like, it's pretty good fence,

1146
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: back strand barbed wire. Oh man, let's talk about this

1147
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: structural well and then he and then he told me

1148
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: he told me they put a during the during the

1149
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: early two thousand's, they put up a vehicle barrier, which

1150
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: is like a big metal drift type fence that's low

1151
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: like animals could go through it. And he said they

1152
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: would just build ramps and ramp over it. And then

1153
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: I think the new wall is like it's thirty ft tall, uh,

1154
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: six by six posts in deep concrete. The six bus

1155
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: six posts probably are four to five to six inches apart.

1156
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: They four like this, probably four. So envision a six

1157
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: by six square tube that goes thirty ft straight up

1158
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: in the air, and then there's another one four inches.

1159
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: Only the skinniest of lines can get through. Yeah. I

1160
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: think what hit me was you said, whatever you look at,

1161
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: whatever the angle there, there's only one Warner Glenn. Yeah,

1162
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, and I think like as even his daughter

1163
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: was talking and he's getting older and you know, and

1164
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: he said about that dog that's gonna pass, maybe this

1165
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: will be our last winner together. I was I was

1166
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: doing I was doing the dishes, and usually I listened

1167
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: to your podcast when I'm doing the dishes, and like

1168
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: immediately it kind of I got a little lump in

1169
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: my throat. One am I And obviously I don't know

1170
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: this man, but I think that's a rare man. And

1171
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 1: when the world loses a man like that, it loses

1172
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: something of great value. And there's just not too many

1173
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: people who can be in and live in a very

1174
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: complex sitch suation. We're talking about immigration, we're talking about

1175
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: conserving wildlife, we're talking about an intergenerational family and business

1176
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: and his granddaughter and how did the sixth generation, how

1177
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: do they do that with her and do that well?

1178
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: And all these things. He's the same man and he

1179
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: does it well and everyone is blessed because of it,

1180
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: and when he passes it will be a loss. Yeah, yeah, Daniel,

1181
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: I think you hit it right on the head because

1182
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what I know. I felt, and I'm

1183
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: pretty sure Clay did. It was like he's like a

1184
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: gem that you don't want to lose, and it's that's

1185
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: just life. But and the simplicity of his life, how

1186
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: he's able to to maneuver himself, his family inside a

1187
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: very complex world that who would have most people chasing

1188
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: their tails and a lot of turmoil and that type

1189
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: of thing chaos inside of the family. You don't feel

1190
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: that with that, there's a there's a there's been a

1191
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: foundation built in that family that while all this stuff

1192
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: is going on around him, they know who they are

1193
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: and they know what they're called to do on that

1194
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: ranch and how they're supposed to live, and um, it's

1195
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: given a lot of stability. Well, I look forward to

1196
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: to telling more Kelly's story. She I said it. We

1197
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: could have made a Burgary podcast just about Kelly for real.

1198
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: She's a neat, neat lady in in a veteran dry

1199
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: ground line. We didn't even talked about lion hunting. I

1200
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: mean the whole, the whole aspect of being a dry

1201
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: ground lion hunter is pretty amazing. And that's what the

1202
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: next a lot of the next podcast is gonna be about,

1203
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: because that is one of those things that unless you

1204
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,839
Speaker 1: understand it, you have no context of why that is special.

1205
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: And so if if you if you value North American hunting,

1206
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: you need to know what dry ground lion hunting is

1207
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: super super unique, super difficult. Pretty much you got to

1208
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: dedicate your life to it to be good at it.

1209
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: And Warner Glenn is known as, and we use this phrase,

1210
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: one of the best in the world. You know, there's

1211
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: not we're only dry ground lion hunting on this side

1212
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: of the planet for the most part. Um, so you

1213
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: could say best in the country, best in the nation.

1214
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the NFL being the world champions

1215
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: and it's like, wait a minute, but we didn't play

1216
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: anybody in Italy? Did I thought? When Warner Clinton said,

1217
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, that was one time when Kelly got hurt,

1218
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: he said in there like that was one time when

1219
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 1: she got bit by line all right, did you like

1220
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: that segue? Did you think it was funny? When I

1221
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: when he said that was just one of the times

1222
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: she got her I don't want to tell you about

1223
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: the other. And then I said, oh, sounds interested. Kelly's like,

1224
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: did that tell you I got bit by? What? She

1225
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: didn't tell us too? And I don't know that I'm

1226
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: going to include it just because I mean, it's just

1227
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: a long story. She got like straight up just dang

1228
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: there killed on a mule two years ago. She doesn't

1229
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: even remember what happened. She just was like I was

1230
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 1: riding the mule and next thing I know, I'm in

1231
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: the hospital. Like she literally doesn't know what happen. There's

1232
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: so many they were they were catching, basically catching these

1233
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: like rank cattle, like they turned these cattle loose on

1234
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: these big open sections and they have leases, some on

1235
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: public land and some on their land. And they were

1236
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: rounding up cattle and like you know, roping and running

1237
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: through brush and basically she got raked off of a mule,

1238
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: went over backwards and just blacked out. And uh, I

1239
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: can't remember how they got her out of there in

1240
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: the specifics of the injury, but like she's had some

1241
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: pretty major stuff happened over the years. But you and

1242
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: him both are so contradictory about how safe these mules are. Okay,

1243
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because every broken bone in

1244
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: our kids lives with the exception of when this summer

1245
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: that just happened has been on le okay, and that

1246
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: that like really yeah, somebody could say, hey, Clay, you

1247
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: say mules are safe, because Warner says mules are safe,

1248
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: And the next thing, Kelly's getting tore up by mule.

1249
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: The quite animal is inherently dangerous, no matter if it's

1250
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 1: a horse or a mule. So these things could like

1251
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: the spooking of the like a mule will spook, a

1252
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: mule will fall over, a mule will hurt you, a

1253
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 1: mule will kick you. A mule will do everything a

1254
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: horse would do to you, maybe worse, but they're typically safer.

1255
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: And this is where we always in in our family.

1256
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: But you know cars are also dangerous. Yes, that's our argument.

1257
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: Most dangerous thing you did to day was driver here. Yeah,

1258
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: you know what a mule is, no problem. No, hey,

1259
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: thank you all. Mike, it's been great to have you

1260
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: been to be here. Ye, Isaac, good to have you, Brent,

1261
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: good to have you missed you better call us all

1262
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: out now. Yeah, you're welcome, widely. Moving on. It's our

1263
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 1: first first time to not have a song. The first

1264
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: time that I have a song might be and I

1265
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: think there's there might be a really good song next week.

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Speaker 1: I think the first couple you didn't have a song,

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Speaker 1: the first the first couple of Riddens, did you maybe Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember. Since since there's been songs, since since

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Speaker 1: the songs and songs have been song all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: keep the wild place as wild. That's where the bears

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Speaker 1: live down and no