Speaker 1: So Megan and Harry have been doing media tours lately.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think hers might be for her jam and she
Speaker 1: went on her best friend's podcast. I didn't listen to.
Speaker 1: I don't listen to podcasts, but I think a one clip.
Speaker 1: And Harry's been doing a press tour. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it's for. But he sat down with the BBC
Speaker 1: to talk about the fact that the family won't speak
Speaker 1: to him and that he wants to reconcile. And the
Speaker 1: definition of the problem is him doing the interview in
Speaker 1: the first place. You can't like put your hand for like,
Speaker 1: go a way, come back, come here, go away, like
Speaker 1: meaning if you want to reconcile with the royal family,
Speaker 1: going on a British talk show now you're in your
Speaker 1: own house, it doesn't seem like a great way to
Speaker 1: do it. And the thing about it is, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's said like they're prior it, but then they're doing
Speaker 1: all this public stuff. The energy is that Harry's regretting
Speaker 1: going too far with it. Now he's in so deep
Speaker 1: it feels like he has to keep going. The problem
Speaker 1: is going to be that there's not going to be
Speaker 1: any more juice to get from this lemon like we
Speaker 1: know it all, so you can't keep capitalizing off of
Speaker 1: this institution. And the thing is, Megan got in some
Speaker 1: kind of like public trouble for using HRH Her Royal
Speaker 1: Highness on a note to a friend, which is a title.
Speaker 1: And I was talking about titles because titles do matter
Speaker 1: to people. They don't matter to me, but they matter
Speaker 1: to people. In corporate America, people could not get a
Speaker 1: financial raise, but they could get a title raise, and
Speaker 1: it makes them feel seen, which is why you have
Speaker 1: to appreciate people and let them know when they're doing
Speaker 1: a good job, because oftentimes you know you're just telling
Speaker 1: them what to do and giving direction and to stop
Speaker 1: down and thank someone and giving someone a title bump.
Speaker 1: For many corporate people work and when you leave an
Speaker 1: institution or a firm or corporation, you don't get to
Speaker 1: keep the title, so they don't do the work. So
Speaker 1: that's why they got the title taken away. It's a
Speaker 1: working title. I didn't realize this for them. It's a
Speaker 1: title for working royals, so they're not working anymore. And
Speaker 1: you can't sit down at a dinner party and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm the director of communications at Yahoo. If like you
Speaker 1: lost that job, like you don't get to keep using
Speaker 1: that title, and that's what a title is. It's also
Speaker 1: only been like two years, so it's not like she's
Speaker 1: keeping the title because her kids have known her as
Speaker 1: that their whole life, or she's keeping a name because
Speaker 1: she was married to someone. I bring up the Countess
Speaker 1: because she was married to the count for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: It's also a brand, and Megan's using it as a brand.
Speaker 1: But Oprah asked her about using her platforms to build
Speaker 1: a brand, and she's saying no, But she's monetizing things
Speaker 1: that she's wearing. She puts up links so you can
Speaker 1: buy them, and she makes a lot of money doing that,
Speaker 1: So she's monetizing the brand. So she should just say
Speaker 1: I'm keeping the title I married a prince. This is
Speaker 1: the brand now because I don't think it's illegal to
Speaker 1: use it. They've just said that they don't want her
Speaker 1: to use it. So you gotta lean in or lean out.
Speaker 1: You jumped. They're not taking you back. You gotta go
Speaker 1: fucking all in and be like, Hi, this is my brand.
Speaker 1: HRH is my brand. This is her Royal Highness. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can get sued for that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but like, lean all the fuck. Here's my jam. It's
Speaker 1: royal jam. This is a royal sweater. You get to
Speaker 1: click a link and buy it. This is royal everything,
Speaker 1: Royal jelly, this is royal jelly.
Speaker 2: These are royal pants. This is it.
Speaker 1: She should start selling crowns at this point, like just
Speaker 1: lean in, sell princess wants be a princess, and get
Speaker 1: in and lean all the way into it. Because NAIs
Speaker 1: can't leave the two paces out of the jar. The
Speaker 1: only way to go back is to take a monetary
Speaker 1: number and be on a gag order, sign an NBA,
Speaker 1: say to them, we'll never talk about you guys again.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't pay more than that, and these two wouldn't
Speaker 1: take more than that because they earn money off of
Speaker 1: the story. But for how long I don't know how
Speaker 1: long you can keep talking about the same topic. And
Speaker 1: they're too far away from it for it to be relevant,
Speaker 1: Like it's a current story, like this happened recently at
Speaker 1: the wedding, it's a long time ago. So they could
Speaker 1: probably be successful if they just like leaned all the
Speaker 1: way in. But he still seems to want to reconcile.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense though, to sit down and do
Speaker 1: a media interview, which is the exact and very reason
Speaker 1: that your family has excommunicated you from the church. So
Speaker 1: if Harry and Meghan want to reconcile, they would have
Speaker 1: to say, like, we are not working royals. We will
Speaker 1: not discuss this ever again. We would like just you
Speaker 1: guys to say that we get to keep our titles,
Speaker 1: but we won't use them, or like just for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: someone would care, but we and we will take some
Speaker 1: cash and we will never speak of this again. We're
Speaker 1: going to move forward and announce that we are building
Speaker 1: a brand individual brands and we are open for business.
Speaker 2: But like, you can't do both. And that's just the thing.
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the two of them.
Speaker 1: They are attractive, they seem nice enough, They probably are
Speaker 1: charming and liked and like they're getting caught in the
Speaker 1: rip tide because they're in between wanting to be royals
Speaker 1: and wanting to be celebrities. And it's not landing for
Speaker 1: either because real celebrities, celebrity celebrities like George Clooney and
Speaker 1: Amal and David Beckham and his wife no longer speak
Speaker 1: to them anymore because they're not fucking around with their
Speaker 1: relationship with the royals. You think David Beckham is fucking
Speaker 1: around with the monarchy when he's British, and so is
Speaker 1: she immediately now, immediately now and George Clooney and Amal
Speaker 1: and she does like international like human rights law, like
Speaker 1: is in a human rights attorney, Like I don't think
Speaker 1: she's fucking with the monarchy either, and why would he.
Speaker 1: He's like the Carrie Grant, he lived in Italy, Like
Speaker 1: there's just no upside. So those friends that are celebrities
Speaker 1: have left. I think they have friends in Montecieto, the Oprah's,
Speaker 1: the Kim Kardashian, But you don't see Oprah talking about
Speaker 1: this that much anymore.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying they're not royals anymore.
Speaker 1: They have to like lean into celebrity like reality show
Speaker 1: honestly speaking, like lean in, grab the bag.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Alec Balwin did it. He did a reality show. I'm
Speaker 1: saying he's not a royal.
Speaker 2: But you're not a royal either anymore.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, we all, you know, pull our pants
Speaker 1: down at some point, Like that's just what happens at
Speaker 1: some point, you know, if you need to believe me.
Speaker 1: If I didn't have a bunch of other opportunities and
Speaker 1: not make the kind of money that i'd make, I'd
Speaker 1: go right back to trash reality TV.
Speaker 2: I don't need to. I do very well.
Speaker 1: But if I needed to pay for my bills or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, or my nut was so big, believe me,
Speaker 1: I would dance on a table.
Speaker 2: So if they want the money they want to smash
Speaker 2: and grab.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be through the Royal Angle, and
Speaker 1: it's probably not going to be through dining out on
Speaker 1: the Royal Angle because we ate that meal. We're sick
Speaker 1: of it. We don't want to hear it anymore. Stop,
Speaker 1: you can't sell pass the point. Yes, we already know.
Speaker 1: We know, we know what happened.
Speaker 2: We got it. It was terrible, the plate, the frog more,
Speaker 2: it's all terrible, we know it.
Speaker 1: We gotta do something new, We got to do something
Speaker 1: new and ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Leaning into the.
Speaker 1: Joke, because if they're printing the money, who cares? Their
Speaker 1: kids are fine, the fine, her mom's fine. They could
Speaker 1: do what they want and lean in, lean in. So
Speaker 1: I was listening to Ben Affleck reflect on his relationship
Speaker 1: with Jennifer Lopez. I want to shout out the elegant breakup.
Speaker 1: Every breakup that I've ever had is ultimately an elegant,
Speaker 1: classy breakup, except for one. I was married years ago.
Speaker 1: Never peep from him. I have been engaged, never peep.
Speaker 1: I still speak to many ex'es. I think how you
Speaker 1: go into a job or a relationship is how you
Speaker 1: should leave. And I think an elegant breakup is a
Speaker 1: reflection of the person in the relationship or at the job.
Speaker 1: I really do like I still speak to former assistants
Speaker 1: and people I worked with years ago.
Speaker 2: I just think that's critical.
Speaker 1: You can't burn the house down, do a barn burner
Speaker 1: in a relationship, either or in the workplace. And Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck has been on a press tour, I think presumably
Speaker 1: marketing a film, and obviously his relationship with Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 1: has come up, and he has the kindest things to
Speaker 1: say about her, and they have an amicable relationship. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting because she was in a relationship with someone
Speaker 1: else with kids and her kids, but that relationship was
Speaker 1: severed and the relationship with the kids and Ben his
Speaker 1: kids and her and the kids still have a relationship,
Speaker 1: and I think.
Speaker 2: That's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: My exes have relationships with my daughter if she's been
Speaker 1: in their life, one passed away. But that is a
Speaker 1: class act, and that's a reflection upon who we choose.
Speaker 1: And I like that he speaks highly of Jennifer, and
Speaker 1: he he does say that the breakdown of the relationship
Speaker 1: is because he ultimately is an introvert and he likes
Speaker 1: his privacy and she ultimately is an extrovert from a
Speaker 1: public standpoint. And as I've said earlier on this podcast,
Speaker 1: she really packed a lot into the beginning.
Speaker 2: And I also get that.
Speaker 1: I've been on reality TV in a relationship when everything's
Speaker 1: going good and it's high. It's addictive, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to slow things down. It just all seems
Speaker 1: like a good idea, and you crash and burn. I
Speaker 1: was in a relationship where we were madly obsessed with
Speaker 1: each other and we got physically ill because we were
Speaker 1: so excited that the endorphins are going, the adrenaline's going,
Speaker 1: and he actually remember getting bronchitis, and you burn out
Speaker 1: because in the beginning, everything sounds like a good idea.
Speaker 1: So while we sit and look, it's looking like wait,
Speaker 1: she's in Europe. With him on a boat, with him
Speaker 1: doing multiple shows, doing a documentary, doing another document she
Speaker 1: was excited, she's addicted to love.
Speaker 2: It's kind of what her documentary about.
Speaker 1: And I kind of have to say, we can sit
Speaker 1: in judgment from afar, but I kind of get how
Speaker 1: it could happen. And you can't ask a dog to
Speaker 1: be a cat. You can't ask an introvert who suffers
Speaker 1: from addiction to like be so activated and hold on tight.
Speaker 2: That's hard.
Speaker 1: And you can't ask an extrovert to become someone who
Speaker 1: wants to just be home all the time and wants
Speaker 1: to quiet. It's a fundamental difference. Yes, could he be
Speaker 1: more fun and more extroverted, which we saw that maybe
Speaker 1: he just didn't like going to all those events, which
Speaker 1: I get. I've been in those relationships. Yes, could she
Speaker 1: chill out and does she like to sometimes?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: But you have to really understand who each person fundamentally
Speaker 1: is in a relationship. So I've talked before about attachment styles.
Speaker 1: Finding out what someone's attachment style is them being honest
Speaker 1: about it. And another thing that is a key thing
Speaker 1: is a personality test, Like what is someone's personality type
Speaker 1: and does it vibe with you. Everything sounds good in
Speaker 1: the beginning, and everything's good in the honeymoon stage, but
Speaker 1: how do you layer in a life with someone else
Speaker 1: who is fundamentally different? And it's very hard when you
Speaker 1: love someone who's fundamentally different.