1 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: So Megan and Harry have been doing media tours lately. 2 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: I think hers might be for her jam and she 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: went on her best friend's podcast. I didn't listen to. 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't listen to podcasts, but I think a one clip. 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: And Harry's been doing a press tour. I don't know 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: what it's for. But he sat down with the BBC 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: to talk about the fact that the family won't speak 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: to him and that he wants to reconcile. And the 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: definition of the problem is him doing the interview in 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: the first place. You can't like put your hand for like, 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: go a way, come back, come here, go away, like 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: meaning if you want to reconcile with the royal family, 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: going on a British talk show now you're in your 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: own house, it doesn't seem like a great way to 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: do it. And the thing about it is, you know, 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: everybody's said like they're prior it, but then they're doing 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: all this public stuff. The energy is that Harry's regretting 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: going too far with it. Now he's in so deep 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: it feels like he has to keep going. The problem 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: is going to be that there's not going to be 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: any more juice to get from this lemon like we 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: know it all, so you can't keep capitalizing off of 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: this institution. And the thing is, Megan got in some 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: kind of like public trouble for using HRH Her Royal 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: Highness on a note to a friend, which is a title. 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: And I was talking about titles because titles do matter 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: to people. They don't matter to me, but they matter 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: to people. In corporate America, people could not get a 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: financial raise, but they could get a title raise, and 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: it makes them feel seen, which is why you have 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: to appreciate people and let them know when they're doing 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: a good job, because oftentimes you know you're just telling 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: them what to do and giving direction and to stop 35 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 1: down and thank someone and giving someone a title bump. 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: For many corporate people work and when you leave an 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: institution or a firm or corporation, you don't get to 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: keep the title, so they don't do the work. So 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: that's why they got the title taken away. It's a 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: working title. I didn't realize this for them. It's a 41 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: title for working royals, so they're not working anymore. And 42 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: you can't sit down at a dinner party and be like, 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm the director of communications at Yahoo. If like you 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: lost that job, like you don't get to keep using 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: that title, and that's what a title is. It's also 46 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: only been like two years, so it's not like she's 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: keeping the title because her kids have known her as 48 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: that their whole life, or she's keeping a name because 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: she was married to someone. I bring up the Countess 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: because she was married to the count for fifteen years. 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: It's also a brand, and Megan's using it as a brand. 52 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: But Oprah asked her about using her platforms to build 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: a brand, and she's saying no, But she's monetizing things 54 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: that she's wearing. She puts up links so you can 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: buy them, and she makes a lot of money doing that, 56 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: So she's monetizing the brand. So she should just say 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm keeping the title I married a prince. This is 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: the brand now because I don't think it's illegal to 59 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: use it. They've just said that they don't want her 60 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: to use it. So you gotta lean in or lean out. 61 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: You jumped. They're not taking you back. You gotta go 62 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: fucking all in and be like, Hi, this is my brand. 63 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: HRH is my brand. This is her Royal Highness. I 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: don't think you can get sued for that. I don't know, 65 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: but like, lean all the fuck. Here's my jam. It's 66 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: royal jam. This is a royal sweater. You get to 67 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: click a link and buy it. This is royal everything, 68 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: Royal jelly, this is royal jelly. 69 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: These are royal pants. This is it. 70 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: She should start selling crowns at this point, like just 71 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: lean in, sell princess wants be a princess, and get 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: in and lean all the way into it. Because NAIs 73 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: can't leave the two paces out of the jar. The 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: only way to go back is to take a monetary 75 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: number and be on a gag order, sign an NBA, 76 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: say to them, we'll never talk about you guys again. 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: They wouldn't pay more than that, and these two wouldn't 78 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: take more than that because they earn money off of 79 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: the story. But for how long I don't know how 80 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: long you can keep talking about the same topic. And 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: they're too far away from it for it to be relevant, 82 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: Like it's a current story, like this happened recently at 83 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: the wedding, it's a long time ago. So they could 84 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: probably be successful if they just like leaned all the 85 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: way in. But he still seems to want to reconcile. 86 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense though, to sit down and do 87 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: a media interview, which is the exact and very reason 88 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: that your family has excommunicated you from the church. So 89 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: if Harry and Meghan want to reconcile, they would have 90 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: to say, like, we are not working royals. We will 91 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: not discuss this ever again. We would like just you 92 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: guys to say that we get to keep our titles, 93 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: but we won't use them, or like just for whatever reason, 94 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: someone would care, but we and we will take some 95 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: cash and we will never speak of this again. We're 96 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: going to move forward and announce that we are building 97 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: a brand individual brands and we are open for business. 98 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: But like, you can't do both. And that's just the thing. 99 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the two of them. 100 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: They are attractive, they seem nice enough, They probably are 101 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: charming and liked and like they're getting caught in the 102 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: rip tide because they're in between wanting to be royals 103 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: and wanting to be celebrities. And it's not landing for 104 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: either because real celebrities, celebrity celebrities like George Clooney and 105 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: Amal and David Beckham and his wife no longer speak 106 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: to them anymore because they're not fucking around with their 107 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: relationship with the royals. You think David Beckham is fucking 108 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: around with the monarchy when he's British, and so is 109 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: she immediately now, immediately now and George Clooney and Amal 110 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: and she does like international like human rights law, like 111 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: is in a human rights attorney, Like I don't think 112 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: she's fucking with the monarchy either, and why would he. 113 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: He's like the Carrie Grant, he lived in Italy, Like 114 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: there's just no upside. So those friends that are celebrities 115 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: have left. I think they have friends in Montecieto, the Oprah's, 116 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: the Kim Kardashian, But you don't see Oprah talking about 117 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: this that much anymore. 118 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: So I'm saying they're not royals anymore. 119 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: They have to like lean into celebrity like reality show 120 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: honestly speaking, like lean in, grab the bag. 121 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: That's it. 122 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: Alec Balwin did it. He did a reality show. I'm 123 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: saying he's not a royal. 124 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 2: But you're not a royal either anymore. 125 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: Like I mean, we all, you know, pull our pants 126 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: down at some point, Like that's just what happens at 127 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: some point, you know, if you need to believe me. 128 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: If I didn't have a bunch of other opportunities and 129 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: not make the kind of money that i'd make, I'd 130 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: go right back to trash reality TV. 131 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: I don't need to. I do very well. 132 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: But if I needed to pay for my bills or 133 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: whatever it was, or my nut was so big, believe me, 134 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: I would dance on a table. 135 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: So if they want the money they want to smash 136 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: and grab. 137 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: It's not going to be through the Royal Angle, and 138 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: it's probably not going to be through dining out on 139 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: the Royal Angle because we ate that meal. We're sick 140 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: of it. We don't want to hear it anymore. Stop, 141 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: you can't sell pass the point. Yes, we already know. 142 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: We know, we know what happened. 143 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: We got it. It was terrible, the plate, the frog more, 144 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: it's all terrible, we know it. 145 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 1: We gotta do something new, We got to do something 146 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: new and ridiculous. 147 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: Leaning into the. 148 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: Joke, because if they're printing the money, who cares? Their 149 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: kids are fine, the fine, her mom's fine. They could 150 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: do what they want and lean in, lean in. So 151 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: I was listening to Ben Affleck reflect on his relationship 152 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: with Jennifer Lopez. I want to shout out the elegant breakup. 153 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: Every breakup that I've ever had is ultimately an elegant, 154 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: classy breakup, except for one. I was married years ago. 155 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: Never peep from him. I have been engaged, never peep. 156 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: I still speak to many ex'es. I think how you 157 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: go into a job or a relationship is how you 158 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: should leave. And I think an elegant breakup is a 159 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: reflection of the person in the relationship or at the job. 160 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: I really do like I still speak to former assistants 161 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: and people I worked with years ago. 162 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: I just think that's critical. 163 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: You can't burn the house down, do a barn burner 164 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: in a relationship, either or in the workplace. And Ben 165 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: Affleck has been on a press tour, I think presumably 166 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: marketing a film, and obviously his relationship with Jennifer Lopez 167 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: has come up, and he has the kindest things to 168 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: say about her, and they have an amicable relationship. And 169 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: it's interesting because she was in a relationship with someone 170 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: else with kids and her kids, but that relationship was 171 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: severed and the relationship with the kids and Ben his 172 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: kids and her and the kids still have a relationship, 173 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: and I think. 174 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: That's so beautiful. 175 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: My exes have relationships with my daughter if she's been 176 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: in their life, one passed away. But that is a 177 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: class act, and that's a reflection upon who we choose. 178 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: And I like that he speaks highly of Jennifer, and 179 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: he he does say that the breakdown of the relationship 180 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: is because he ultimately is an introvert and he likes 181 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: his privacy and she ultimately is an extrovert from a 182 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: public standpoint. And as I've said earlier on this podcast, 183 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: she really packed a lot into the beginning. 184 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: And I also get that. 185 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: I've been on reality TV in a relationship when everything's 186 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: going good and it's high. It's addictive, you know, and 187 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: it's hard to slow things down. It just all seems 188 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: like a good idea, and you crash and burn. I 189 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: was in a relationship where we were madly obsessed with 190 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: each other and we got physically ill because we were 191 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: so excited that the endorphins are going, the adrenaline's going, 192 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: and he actually remember getting bronchitis, and you burn out 193 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: because in the beginning, everything sounds like a good idea. 194 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: So while we sit and look, it's looking like wait, 195 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: she's in Europe. With him on a boat, with him 196 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: doing multiple shows, doing a documentary, doing another document she 197 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: was excited, she's addicted to love. 198 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: It's kind of what her documentary about. 199 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: And I kind of have to say, we can sit 200 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: in judgment from afar, but I kind of get how 201 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: it could happen. And you can't ask a dog to 202 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: be a cat. You can't ask an introvert who suffers 203 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: from addiction to like be so activated and hold on tight. 204 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: That's hard. 205 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: And you can't ask an extrovert to become someone who 206 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: wants to just be home all the time and wants 207 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: to quiet. It's a fundamental difference. Yes, could he be 208 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: more fun and more extroverted, which we saw that maybe 209 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: he just didn't like going to all those events, which 210 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: I get. I've been in those relationships. Yes, could she 211 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: chill out and does she like to sometimes? 212 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 213 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: But you have to really understand who each person fundamentally 214 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: is in a relationship. So I've talked before about attachment styles. 215 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: Finding out what someone's attachment style is them being honest 216 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: about it. And another thing that is a key thing 217 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: is a personality test, Like what is someone's personality type 218 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: and does it vibe with you. Everything sounds good in 219 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: the beginning, and everything's good in the honeymoon stage, but 220 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: how do you layer in a life with someone else 221 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: who is fundamentally different? And it's very hard when you 222 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: love someone who's fundamentally different.